>Kojima wanted to blow $400 million of Sony's money on Hollywood actors and motion capture techbased
>>748516150>People believed for years on end that Konami fired him due to some arbitrary dislike and not because he was bleeding money while being extremely incompetent as VP.
>>748516150Why are artists like this?
>>748516150Sony blew $2B on Concord and Marathon.
>>748516150I don't trust Jason and Dring who just lies for their own personal gain. Besides Sony was happy to waste billions on bungie and $400 million on Concord and hundreds of millions on Marathon
>There are still diehard Konami cocksuckers despite it being common knowledge that Konami was trying to ditch videogames in favor of pachinko until the jap govt grabbed them by the pussyYou take it in the ass like Alucard
>>748516150imagine if kojima cared about the gameplay as much as he cared about larping as a film director
>>748516209He was fired because he didn't like mobile slop or pachinko parlours (as those wouldn't let him fly to hollywood)
>>748516150sounds like the same reason Konami dumped this hack
Why the FUCK are people even still pretending Kojima is still good? The dude has done nothing but made the most embarrassing, poorly-written dogshit since MGS4. Him being "freed from his shackles" and being able to apparently make the kind of shit he always wanted to, resulted in stuff like Death Stranding 1 and 2. The worst shit I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. Is there some kind of psychosis going around with this guy? Why are people still pretending it's 1998, the time when Kojima actually made cool stuff?
>>748516150Are hollywood actors that fucking expensive?
>>748516284and that's why sony is now tightening their wallets and making sure money is going to a good place instead of hundreds of millions on irrelevant hollywood actors for another strand genre flop
>>748516284>Sony blew $2B on Concord and Marathon.every time i see this claim, the number keeps getting bigger
>>748516150>I've since been toldSource? It seems like every major outlet knows "someone familiar with the matter".
>>748516150Just irresponsible, Sony could have made half a Concord with that much money. For shame Kojima, for shame
>>748516362He was fired because he was completely uninterested in anything that wasn't his own games, and he was VICE PRESIDENT of Konami, he was expected to oversee multiple projects.
>>748516412Stockholm. I think some people still want to believe that Kojima will One Day make a game as good as the original MGS games again but they failed to see that he's under the jaws of the american hollywood jews now. Yes, he can do "what he always wanted to", which is essentially get actors into his 'games' that are just glorified movies to him because he doesn't have capabilities as a movie director.
Debunked by Jason Schreier
>>748516150>Kojima wanted to blowhunterwe all do :3
>>748516452I don't know about concord but they spent 3.6b on bungie
>source: random drunks in Tokyo
>some random journofaggot claims itOh well I guess that settles the matterFuck off retard
>>748516150Still a better use of money than Wolverine.
>>748516725False, Wolverine is already blasting past the sales figures for both Shit Strandings
>>748516284That’s even more of a reason to get rid of another huge moneysink.
Do people actually buy his games because of the C-list Hollywood actors? Could do it way cheaper by just scouting English stage actor / TV talent like they do with voice actors.
>>748516150tranny fucker
>>748516150if you want to see what happens when a creative dad like kojima is given unlimited time and money just look at star citizen
>>748516567Plus 400 million more on marathon, plus 400 million on concord So the fafo ended up costing over 4.4 billion dollars for two games and cancelling their already running one, which I'm guessing also had costs attached we simply don't know.
>>748516412I think Kojima can still make a good game but he needs to fail enough to need to work his way back up to do it. The problem that I see shows up with these auteur types is once they get big enough that they can work freely their unchecked ego takes over and they get too lost in their own self fellation.
>>748516848Damn. Too bad it's slop.
>>748516317>imagine if kojima cared about the gameplay as much as he cared about larping as a film directorHis games were all overrated trash before "movie games" even became a thing. The man has literally never made a decent fucking video game in his entire life, I have no idea how you people slog through his trash releases year after year.
>>748516150Whatever happened to the 'let's rotoscan a ghost' game?
>>748517056>IMG_0325.jpgopinion discarded
>>748516412>made the most embarrassing, poorly-written dogshit since MGS4he was already doing that before MGS4
>>748516308>believing the american journo cocksucker lie of muh pachinkolmao. You are human cattle
>>748516150If it takes more than six million to get the job done someone is lying about the numbers.
>>748516150That money went to Wolverine instead
Considering Sony spent $3 billion n Bungie just to have them make an absolute megaflop with a $100+ million budget and kill off their actually successful game, I think they could have sprung $400 million for Kojimbo.
>>748516284And?Just because they wasted money funding trash doesn't meant they have to keep funding ever garbage there is
>give true artists heavy constraints>they produce masterpieces>give true artists unlimited freedom>it's schizo nonsense that fellates the artist and focusses on extremely narrow, esoteric details
>>748516412Nostalgia, he made that one decent game kids bonded with so now as adults whenever they hear his name they think back to how happy there were as children
>>748516150No wonder third rate Hollywood stars like him: he pays them a lot of money for acting in his shitty games.
>>748516150I never understood why people glaze Kojimbo so hard. My first MGS was MGS3, played it over the weekend at a friend's house. He kept going on about how it's the best game ever, so imagine my shock when I got greeted by a movie game with clunky controls, retarded pacing and some of the worst camera angles for a stealth game.
>>748516150>Sony blew 3.600.000.000 united states of american dollars on fucking marathon insteadlmao
Are we ready to accept Konami was always right?
>>748517254>I just blew 300,000$ in a casino so now I have to waste another 40,000$ in this other casino, it wouldn't be fair otherwise
>>748516507Why did you promote an auteur only interested in creation to a business executive position?
>>748517254>>748517617When has Kojima made a game that has ever flopped/not made its money back long term? He takes forever and will suck you dry of money but you cannot debate the product.
>>748516150even if the budget was half of that, that fag still want to waste 150 mil or more for some shitty cinematic experience with hollywood rejects, the only ones who still suck off Kojima in 2026 are redditors and npc's >>748516412people are retarded and will praise every shitty movie-game because "muh art and you don't get it bro">>748517654Death Stranding 2 was a fucking failure fag, sold only 2.5 mil in a year and 3 months
I don't care how he spends his money or the money of companies that suck at all. As long as he keeps producing kino I'm happy.
>>748517797Too bad Kojambles hasn’t made “kino” game since 1994
>>748517254>>748517390>>748517716Has no one here ever heard of a prestige product? Making their money back isn't the point, it's is just an added bonus. Cancelling Kojima will be remembered alongside HBO cancelling Rome.
How many marathons and concords would sony have to make to make back their 3.6bil investment on bungie then another 500k+ on marathon and another 500k on concord? Not mentioning all their other flops
>>748516317>>748516412At the least he got to make a few games in the era before you could make a walking simulator and get away with it.To his credit, both moviegames he has made so far after leaving Konami has been actual walking simulators alongside the stringed together high production VN segments. Its very different from the studio that made all its movie games like Heavy RainIts a very 11, and it shows why Kojima has a fanbase while Heavy Rain and Detroit Become human is a meme game.
>>748516150>Hollywood actorsThis trend needs to die. Only time this should be a thing is if you are making a franchise that is a licensed IP of a movie there is no beed to do this.>Motion capture stuff That is worth spending money on. It tangibly makes the game look and play better.Dunno if it's $400 mill worth it, but worth it >>748516412>Why the FUCK are people even still pretending Kojima is still good?The best way too look at him is he is extremely UNIQUE.>He's a hackNo one can deny metal gear solid was an excellent series.Even the one everyone hated aged extremely well given current state of things His non metal gear stories are weird one of a kind stories full of strange easter eggs (snatcher and Policenauts) and there are fans of his weird Davod Lynch experiment Death Stranding.>He is a genius Woahh.... Back it up. I said UNIQUE. Not necessarily good.He can make really amazing games, but a lot of his best work is ripping off western movies, which to me is fine cause it becomes transformative.But other shit is clear he just flings as much shit at a wall till it sticks. Even the people that like death Stranding can't explain what the fuck it's about or what makes the gameplay so good.>So what does Kojima do?He understands how to keep gameplay good, but treats it as a set up for movie scenes because he'd rather be a movie director.He excels at taking a subject and writing a long speech and game around the concept, and taking it to a conclusion that makes him seem prophetic but in reality is just Kojima taking things to a logical conclusion.And he strikes a unique tone between serious and light-hearted He's unique.I compare him to Quinton Tarentino.Yeah Tarentino makes decent movies, films some cool scenes, bet is too in love with his weird grindhouse cinema era style of movie making, inserting himself in the mix, and listening to the sound of his own dialogue to treat him as a serious director you would put in charge of a real script.
>>748517965>Kojima >prestige
>>748517628What's stopping him as VP from starting up projects for every other game Konami has in their stable? Could have had Hideo Kojima's Contra if he wasn't high off his own farts? Just because it's a "business executive position" doesn't mean he can't get stuck in with the lads if he chooses to.
>>748516284They're going to blow even more money on their two upcoming live service flops in fairgame$ and horizon hunter gathering.
>>748518809He is.
>>748516254They never spend their own money.
>>748516452They paid over 3 bil for bungie and they are still making payments to pay off that purchase lmao
>>748518870He doesn't WANT to make other products. He wants to make his vision. Same shit happened with Nagoshi during his time at Sega, he actively prevented anything but Yakuza getting funding and intentionally drove other series into the ground. If he had his way Sega would have cut Sonic as a mascot entirely.
>>748519029That's exactly the point I and >>748516507are saying. Just because he's veep doesn't mean he can't go make other games in the stable but have them made in his vision, but he's too retardedly full of himself that all he wanted to work on was his own shit.That was bad for business so Konami told him to hit the road.
>>748517716idk who even asked for a part 2 to death stranding, no wonder it bombed
>>748516150That's a lot of money and it's understandable that Sony had to cut him off, but I think they should've went for it anyways. Would've been worth the price compared to all the other shit they've funded that's done nothing but flop and shart everywhere after release.Look at Marathon, that alone is a $400M lemon that's still sucking up resources. Then you add Bungie, that's a $4 BILLION lemon tree that actively sabotaged all the other PS studios' live service projects thanks to Jimmy giving them executive-tier power. Sony wound up having to shut down most of their developer studios to offset the cost of buying Bungie in the first place.Wolverine came out, got dumped on because it's a poorly-designed game, people have to constantly lie about its sales figures, and now it's completely forgotten only 10 days later because it was a bad product with no staying power outside of branding purposes.And then there's Concord.There's obviously no way Sony would've been able to break even on that kind of budget, but having Kojima's next two games (possibly even his last two games entirely) would've kept customers placated enough that they wouldn't be so mad at the Playstation brand offering no real edge over other video game platforms anymore.
>>748517965>HBOEven with piracy and shit, HBO shit is only known by chronically online fags today.
>>748516150I don't care, kojima crafts ultimate kino and snoy just spent 75% of that to fund wolverine which is absolute dog shit, simply because of muh marvel licensing. fuck them. fijinto is going to destroy that piece of filth no matter how ridiculous it is.
>>748516284which is exactly why kojima's woke focus-group slop got canned.
>>748516150>>Kojima wanted to blow $400 million of Sony's money on Hollywood actors and motion capture techwhy did sony oppose this again? sony already makes movies instead of games. it's the same shit
>>748519196>game of thrones, the most normalfag shit to ever plague television>only known by chronically online fags
>>748519196>nobody remembers the sopranos or game of thronest. incel who's never spoken to a normal person irl
>>748519241Id sony is really starpped dor cash then why hasn't sony aborted fairgame$ and horizon hunter gatherings? They both got negative public reception and negative interal play test reception.
>>748519397What makes you think its about being strapped for cash and not just getting rid of someone who made back to back wastes of money?
>>748519562I bet they did make money. Having kojima games be exclusive to ps4 and ps5 definitely sold consoles for sony
>>748519284No one other than 30 year old fatsos remember the sopranos. Everyone remembers game of thrones as a dumpster fire (like everything Kojima has made post konami)
Dude says he's independent, but needs money from another company just to make his shit.Hilarious.And he's clearly been a shithead ever since kicking Hayter off of MGS for a random celebrity.
>>748519651Consoles are sold at a loss though. Have been since the PS2. On top of that the games didn't really sell that well. DS1 sold 5 million copies and 2 sold half that.
>>748519721Your argument was that only the "most chronically online fags" know HBO shit. Quality of the product has no bearing, just the scope by which it's remembered.
>>748516150What's so terrible about this again? Every AAA project of snoy costs that much, and hideous is -at least- twice as cost effective and never had any project canceled. Niggers may cry and whine on snoy's behalf, pretend kojima isn't the last big name around, but objectively they lost horribly on that one.
>>748516926>spend a fortune on dogshit live service game no one asked for >or spend money on a guy who's, for better or worse, is one of the few super-star devs and has reliably put out weird games with stupid stories and really solid gameplay and mechanics
Kojimbo doesn't have that many projects left. If a game takes 5 years of work... He has two games left before his retirement.
>>748519910Every AAA snoy project isn't preceded by two financial failures, plain and simple. All the other shit they've made start and die at the first one. That Kojima almost got 2 do overs shows the extent of his "big name" having any weight.
>>748519913His games don’t make money though, who cares about his supposed star status?
>>748516209MGSV cost $80mil, and part of that was used to make a whole new engine FROM SCRATCH that the company could go on to use for future projects (but basically didnt for some reason? So MGSV itself woulda been like what, 40-60mil?They definitely didn't fire him over budgets, the Xth game in a beloved franchise with a budget like that is not some massive thing lol
>>748519992The fact he's got a sequel means he was successful. And yes, snoy projects are filled with financial failures, what are you talking about.
>>748519651the problem was the budget. kojima likes to waste money on A list actors and expensive face scanning/mocap. as a loss leader his games don't sell enough to make sense.
>>748517965I don't think "prestige products" really exist in gaming anymore.A lot of the prestige developers are either dead or have been ship of thesseus'd so hard that they're basically not even the same dev anymore.The closest you'll get is GTA, and that makes its money back and then some in a single day.
>>748520014What the fuck are you talking about retard? The Fox Engine was made using profits from MGS4, not the development fund for 5. Hell, said game engine was already in use for nearly a year before MGS5 came out, the first Fox Engine game Konami released was Pro Evolution Soccer.>>748520076The fact he got a sequel means that Sony was betting on Gold Ship again hoping he wouldn't just suck his own dick at the starting line, like he did the last race.>And yes, snoy projects are filled with financial failuresLearn to fucking read. They're not PRECEDED by financial failures, as in Concord was not the third attempt after the stinking failure of Concord -1 and Concord zero. Physint was Kojimas THIRD try following middling sales from DS1 and 2.
>>748516209>>748516362>>748520014lmao kojimbo drones still in denial even ten years later.They had to release ground zeroes to try and recover some of the money Kojima was wasting. A fucking standalone demo of sorts, just to make up the deficit.Konami's revenue grew 800% after getting rid of Kojima
>>748516209LEAVE MY BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION ALONE MOMMA !!! I HAVE TO SUCK THEIR COCK!!!!!!!!!1
>>748520228As opposed to sucking Kojima's cock while he sucks some hollywood dick himself?
>>748520014>but basically didnt for some reason?It is weird. I got V with "games for gold" way back when, and its genuinely impressive that its a late seventh gen game.
>>748519993>who cares about his supposed star status?Snoy does. No exclusive of theirs ever made money (Spider-Better-Man 1 might have, if not for yidsney rates eating up everything), it was always about moving hardware.>>748520151>They're not PRECEDED by financial failuresDavid CageRatchet and ClankSaarosInfamousIntergalactic>middling sales from DS1There would not be a DS2 if he failed, you said it yourself.
>>748520170>gambling makes more money than vidyaholy shit we got sherlock holmes over here>money wasting80mil budgetone one of the most prestigious gaming franchisesreddit spacing clown lmao
>>748516150Sony made the biggest mistake in their history when they lost FromSoftware and Hidetaka Miyazaki. They spent years seething and blaming within the company about this insane mistake, yet they repeated it once again with losing Kojima and Physint.Why? Well, first they funded the boring walking simulator delivery simulator that is Death Stranding, not once, but twice. Then when Kojima finally wanted to make a real game, the successor to Metal Gear Solid and his magnum opus and the culmination of his carrier with Physint, they refuse to fund it and let XBOX steal it? LOL. Instead they wasted 0,5 billion on Concord and wasted 3,6 billion on buying Bungie. That is 4,1 billion dollars down the drain and wasted on absolute worthless garbage. Yet they refuse to fund Physint, which will sell insanely well just because it is the spiritual successor to MGS. Sony is genuinely RETARDED.XBOX won insanely hard, not only did they get OD, but also Physint. OD is the spiritual successor to P.T. and will be the best horror game ever made. Physint will be the best Action-Espionage game ever made. Both will sell insanely well.If you doubt what I have claimed with this post, just wait and see, time will tell, you will be ashamed of your words and deeds.
>>748516150Now he's gonna use MS money instead. Based hollywood-worshiping parasite, sucking away the funds of his hosts so he can worship his idols and pretend to be a video game director. I respect the hustle to just drain the fuck out of companies that deserve it.
>>748520353>There would not be a DS2 if he failed, you said it yourself.I said that DS2 is a result of "Okay Kojangles, you fumbled the football but we're giving you a second shot. PLEASE deliver this time" which is a result of every bit of grace and good will his name and reputation built up. How you failed to parse that is beyond me. I even used a horse racing reference bringing up a horse known for both winning and being an absolute flake.
>>748520417>lost FromSoftwareThey didn't "lose" them, they hired them to make a from game that was console exclusive. Before dark souls from was Literally Who: The Developer. No one on /v/ talked about demon souls, or kings field, and armored core was only referenced because of the meme grip.
>>748520353>it was always about moving hardwareBro, this hasn't been true since the PSX. All playstations since are sold at a loss. Moving hardware effectively eats at their budget. The money is in pushing software, and with rising costs by way of the technology that's being used even the profit to be had from that is shrinking, that's why you see all the AAA slop at $70 for the regular edition.
>>748516150>Crooky-eyed Dring is running damage control for SonyI'm shocked!
>>748520379>low IQ aidsbag fell for the pachinko lie vomited by american journosLMAO
>you want 400 million to make art? not while we have bald nigger and several concords in the pipeline
>>748520623>They didn't "lose" themYes, they did. You are retarded and don't know what you are talking about. Sony was in the final stages of buying FromSoftware, but after Yoshida played Demon's Souls and shat on the game, it was cancelled.
>>748520623They lost them by shutting down Japan Studio.
>>748516209He wasn't bleeding money. Kojima was one of the only ones on the board who was against Konami dropping their entire video game department to go all into Pachinko machines.Before Kojima got on to the board, Konami was on the decline. The Metal Gear series was one of the few properties that made good and quick returns on investment.Kojima joined the board in 2011 when Konami was already at their lowest and helped to keep it stable.After Kojima was out, Konami saw a spike in profits because they cut almost all their vidya departments and got gambling money, then shit went south once the govt cracked down on Pachinko.Now Konami has been desperately trying to get video games back. What a strange coincidence that the Metal Gear series is the one they're doing the most with in an attempt to get people's interest back.
>>748518935Found the game journalist
>>748519992financial failure or not doesnt matter. death stranding 1 and 2 were gotgs. only real gamer did realize that.
>>748520487>i-it doesn't count cuz-God, you darkies are a waste of time.>>748520636>Bro, this hasn't been true since the PSX. All playstations since are sold at a loss. Moving hardware effectively eats at their budget. I've never seen someone be this wrong about everything before, are you a journalist? Even pretending the $70 price tag has a justification, incredible.
>>748520802>then shit went south once the govt cracked down on Pachinko.>things that never happenedKojima was mega raped
hideo's vision with unlimited funding and help:mgs3, mgs4,mgs5,ds1,ds2to this day kojimboy hasnt found his true masterpiece.
>>748516150>Criss cross eyed dring Running defense for ziony as per usual>My insightThis retard doesn't even have normal sight, nevermind insight.Reminder that he doesn't have any sources whatsoever and everything he says is just shit he made up.
>>748520990>financial failure or not doesnt matterIt does in a capitalist society, and whether you want to believe it or not, Sony is not in the business of losing money.
If they wanna give Kojimbo $400 million for his projects I don't give a fuck, it's their money. At the end of the day he delivers on the projects and releases full games and that's what matters in the end.
>muh art this>muh prestige thatVideo games aren’t fucking art your retards, it’s a business and Hideous Hackjima is a terrible businessman and that is a proven fact. He should’ve been run out of the industry ages ago.
>>748520014fox engine was made targeting 7th gen. but time kojambles finished UE4 and the 8th gen were already kicking down the door. it completely fucked itself up to such a degree that ygo was the thing paying the bills
>>748516209Yeah yeah make up whatever story you want you fucking retard. >>748516362 and being over budget and delayed has been the official story for a almost a decade now.
>>748521114I really think he would benefit from a partner that would try to keep the wheels on the ground.
>>748520802Why Kojimbo fags pretend DS1/2 doesn't exist?
>>748516848Source? Besides your flesh hole
>>748520802This. People really seem to forget that Metal Gear was a very active series. They put out 22 MGS releases from 1998 to 2015. In that time there's only 2 years, 2003, and 2011 that saw no metal gear release.
>>748521039>I've never seen someone be this wrong about everything beforeFunny how that's exactly what I thought about you. This shit is literally known by everyone able to fire up neurons.https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2006/11/8239/
>>748521296>Video games aren’t fucking artDoesn't mean that they aren't creative. And as much as I despise kojima losing his head up his ass and extended cinematic bullshit, but strip that out and he makes games with really solid gameplay. He's someone you want making games for you, but he's someone you need to heavily tard wrangle when you've giving him a budget.
>>748516209What are you talking about? The story of Konami firing Kojima because he went overbudget pretty much immediately came out after he was fired. This is why nobody with more than two braincells is surprised at Sony dropping him too.
>>748521064Less that the Japanese Government cracked down on pachinko, more that they legalized other forms of previously illegal gambling, which cut into Pachinkos dominance, and then Covid happened and shut pachinko parlours down for years. Ironically fear of a similar event is what spurred Konami to restart game production.
>>748521536You only have to look at this thread to see all the drones still in denial a decade later
>>748521551Didn't shut em down that bad if I'm reading the image right. 2022 operating and net profits are higher than any of the years before covid.
>>748521551>things that never happened part 2
>>748521536He's a plagiarist and money burner, I just hope he can bleed Microsoft for hundreds of millions before his career peters out and he's begging on kickstarter to make a Metal Gear MSX throwback game.
>>748521467Holy fuck, I was joking. Actual urinalists are raiding /v/ to slander hideous and protect snoy, lmao.>This post is advertising or begging.
>>748521726The "I was only pretending to be retarded" defense hardly ever works.
>>748517390>doesn't meant they have to keep funding ever garbage there isSo then why didn't they cut Wolverine, the game with the bald chick and/or the Horizons game with the huge fatass?
>Sony blew 3.6b of Sony's money on Marathon
>>748521973I chose to believe someone at sony legitimately thought they were buying halo.
Does no one remember those weekly Kojima hq podcasts he had during the mgsv development? They were basically fully produced bts shows, but with half of each runtime being Kojima hanging out with celebs. And then mgsv came out and we got half a game on a $80mil (early 2010s money no less) budget. The fact that people were ever pissed at Konami is proof of how cattlebrained gamers are
>okay hideo you can use our movie production stuff to have actors in the game and do mocap and stuff. we'll announce it and a make a big deal about it.>NO STOP IT HIDEO YOU CAN'T DO THATlmaohermen got mad because he wouldn't sell kjp or do exclusives and he had been talking to asha about expansion for months beforehand.
>>748522049But anon, surely if you keep defending Kojima he'll come down on his golden metal gear to suck your dick, all while Stefanie Joosten sucks his dick!
>>748522049More snoy lies
>>748520417>Kojima and Physint>A game that's been several years in development, already burned millions of dollars, and the only thing is has to show for itself is casting and a single photo made by Kojima himself.>And a literal tranny game.Riveting.
>>748521467>If PS5 comes out for $500>it probably cost Sony around $700>if probably around>literally known by everyoneor it's Sony marketing strategy to sell garbage hardware at higher price while have shadow marketing of "Sony probably sell boxes at loss, trust me goy".
