Now that we know this isn't Classic+, how long until Blizzard release the real Classic+?
When you grow up and stop playing video games fag.
>>748529352How long until we get the old Blizzard back?
>>748531191Never, blizz is gone, all of gaming is gone.
>>748529352>implyingBlizzard knows that if they don't make this Classic+, TurtleWow will just come back again.This time, it'll be hosted in some server in Bangladesh so they can't C&D it.
>>748533510Well clearly this is retail minus, so how long before we get that bangladeshian server of turtle wow?
Tab target dogshit just isn't fun, its no surprise every streamer looks bored to tears playing this garbage. New World really was the last good game and Amazon killed it. Maybe Chrono Odyssey can save things, but gooks usually suck at making games.
Can they release a finished game instead of fucking around with level 20 caps and other useless shit. How many are working on this game it's embarrassing.
>>748531191Hopefully they take to heart fan-made versions
Y'all will never be happy
>>748529352They will never make Classic+ except on Retail engine/DB. Personally I am liking forever so far, but if you want "le real" classic+ you will have to look to private servers.
>>748533863>he doesn't do everything by mousing over gigantic abomination nameplatesCasual alert
Unless they change out their art people like everyone wants this shit will look so awful. Imagine the clown suits of mismatched retail looking gear combined with mismatched gear from 22 years ago. Having your nostalgia and the tone of the entire game ruined by some bright pink and blue sky elf running around with their premium labubu pet. It would be less jarring to see a honda civic mount in the old style than it is to see the fucking blue owlbears as they are now.
>>748531191the disgusting retail models and fabricated bullshit race are such a horrible blemish on this, a bad omen for where it'll end up most likely
Not enough players can agree on what it's supposed to be, Forever is probably going to be the best you'll get. Besides another SoD.
>>748531191In one of the interviews they said that some of the tools they used to make the models/world look like it did "Literally don't exist anymore". You need to grow up Anon.
>>748531191After the race war
>>748534785This completely made up bullshit is just the first step. If this shit is still up 10 years from now I guarantee we still wont have ogres or naga or any of the races people have been begging for over the last 20 fucking years but I'm sure we'll have all kinds of new dragshow bullshit races nobody wanted.
>>748534965Why is this the same bullshit excuse devs always use when their company is too dysfunctional to do something basic and then a modder shows that's it's totally possible in the same week every time?
>>748535041>but I'm sure we'll have all kinds of new dragshow bullshit races I wanted.ftfy
>>748534965Okay so make new tools that work like the old ones?Your company is worth tens of billions of dollars you can afford to do it, there are plenty of nerds that reverse engineer their shit for free
>>748535179Because 'modders' probably don't need to pay for licenses for tools, and they're correct. They borderline didn't have the old 1.12 client for the first wave of classic. Same company lost that old gold starcraft source code cd. A company is made of people and they make mistakes.
>>748535208>there are plenty of nerds that reverse engineer their shit for freeAnd I'm pretty sure the company doesn't want to lift up their work verbatim because it's a bad look, or maybe won't work they way they want it to? Sure they have the finical resources but if you've ever been around WoW for a content patch you'd know their timetables, even before the activision buy-out, didn't really allow for a lot of that creativity.
>>748535242Even if they can't do it exactly the same way they did before they can still at least try to replicate it instead of just directly porting assets that were probably meant for an aborted retail patch.
>>748535414Well I don't disagree but I don't think they're super interested in that right now. The beta is for bug squishing and less about visual cohesion and all that jazz people like to complain about. I think the visuals will get updated in time. Like right now almost any cave I go into during the day has odd areas where the textures don't fully wrap the walls and there's the occasional blip of light from the new light box, reported it a few times but I dont think they'll get to it right away.
>>748534061pserver chads WERE happy until Blizzard ruined it for them, but the copycats will be fully tuned soon plus a couple ambitious new numbers in the work, until then I'll dunk on the Forever clownshow
>>748535242>Because 'modders' probably don't need to pay for licenses for tools, and they're correct. They borderline didn't have the old 1.12 client for the first wave of classic.You know SoD wasn't made in the retail client right? There's no excuse
>>748534965>>748535208Because it's more efficient for them to create modern HD assets so they can be used on retail in the future too. It was unlikely Blizzard were ever going to do something like Turtle and create 2004-2006 era assets. They would need to hire artists who could pull off that style and then you would need to convince the producers the assets probably couldn't be reused on retail.
>>748535641>pserver chads WERE happyNobody cares about those trannies though
>>748534061Good God you all
>>748529352I keep dying as a Warrior while leveling. It is classic plus. Skyelves do look kinda stupid though and I hope they get an SD model to fit the world.
Well, chudgers? Who committed the most hateful hatecrime here?
>>748536351You must be shit then
>>748534965This, we don't have the technology anymore. I'm not going to the moon, I'm going to the liquor store
>>748536302Uh huh.
>>748536396Whatever you say. The point is dying while leveling is basically impossible on retail for probably more than a decade now plus it has level scaling nowadays so you tourist baiters are just wrong as always.
>>748536214SoD was not part of the first wave of classic. Blizzard isn't really a "Well modders can do it" kind of company, I think you're being silly on purpose. I'm not Blizzard nor am I defending them, there's just probably pretty logical reasons for why the current games are the way they are, speaking about the "non-retail" versions. More than likely it's easier to work with what they have instead of making new tools to resemble old tools to please X part of the player base who will refuse to come to the table if (Minor thing #3) isn't exactly what they want.>>748536264Would def be hard to sell to higher ups, also a lot of what "Made old wow good" was a team trying to make a game for potato PCs which required a lot of working within certain restraints like the n64 games. Those barriers aren't really around anymore unless you're pushing 12.X's Silvermoon city level stuff. So we get somewhat re-used Cata assets and HD bears while waiting for the team to "Make SD models" of the blue people and their druid forms. Which is def not a priority for Blizzard during a beta, a fact that shocks 'andys' to the core.
>>748536521This shit is going to feel really dated once all the trannies are gone in a few years.
>>748536595Nice bot response but>More than likely it's easier to work with what they have instead of making new tools to resemble old toolsThey didn't do, that, they inexplicably decided to port everything to the retail client instead of just using what they had for SoD. This is why it looks so bad.
>>748535242The client is freely available, what they didn't have was any way to get it to integrate with their Battle.net shit, so they had to frankenstein it out of the then-retail client which led to a whole host of unique problems like random pieces of terrain becoming dungeon reset zones for Mage AoE grind boosties or magnet zeppelins dragging you with them 10 feet away.
>>748534440the blizz art team is secretly one of the worst things about the company now. at least i never see people discuss this much, how fucking horrible everything looks
blizz will never >hire any of their best modders >hire any people with proven success at creating wow classic style content >hire the guy who made the hardcore addon and launched an entirely new variant of their game >hire writers who aren't obviously and grossly retarded for some reason
>>748536389what is this
>>748536521Yes, retail trannies are as bad as turtle trannies
>>748536891Probably because they'll end up hiring a white man
>>748536389What site?
Every thread is exactly the same. The exact same responses, the exact same images, the exact same arguments. It's a fucking groundhog day loop every time you open one of these fucking threads.
>>748534965then why was ascension and turdle wow able to do that then?
>>748535242>>748534965>you need specialized tools to make low res models in the same style as vanilal wowlmao
>>748536694No need to be a faggot because I typed more than three sentences. Pretty sure they mentioned having difficulties porting the old 1.12 client to their current servers (Or something like that) when classic was first being announced forever ago. WoW F is visually pretty great, bugs related to the visual updates aside like the cave thing I mentioned and being too dark in various inns and other places that should have better lighting. But again I think that misses the point of the bug squashing part of the beta. >>748536718>Freely availableYou mean the various 1.12 clients that were on piratebay? Probably not the best move for a company. Given how bug ridden free servers generally were, I'd figure they took that path as it may have been the lesser bug ridden than the two. >>748536891Hiring people who worked on the free clients that typically used those avenues to generate their own income probably has a lot of issues behind it. Hardcore isn't a WoW exclusive idea, doesn't it partly from Runescape anyway and Iron Man modes or whatever? Personally I think Warcraft's stories, from OvH, 2, 3 and beyond were really cool when I was younger but haven't replayed most of them in the last few years are super basic and kinda mid. Fun, entertaining, but mid. >>748536957Have a new ss
>>748536957>forever
AH HAHAHAHAHA
>>748536932definitely more important to hire queer poc >and that's genuinely what they prioritize with no exaggeration what i don't get is why, when they do hire a white man, they get some total retard like steve danuser to be primary writer and he's like a middle schooler
>>748533863>New World really was the last good game
honest questionis there any value in trying to pick up classic to fill up the month till forever launches?I want to just sort of get a feel for controls and shit, but $60 for the beta is fucking insane when I can drop a tenner on g2a and buy a month time card.
>>748536994Well I only played ascenion's cancerous free class system for a few hours so I can't tell you. Turtle was mostly reused assets and a lot of the class tiers were pretty fucking lame imho. Freefriends have a lower bar than people expecting more from a billion dorru company. >>748536997If you're a company that needs to rely on things like time tables for project completion and licenses, yeah probably.
>>748536931>one pair of hidden socks>versus multiple trans NPCs, gay bullfrogs, pride day parade, fruit portrait censorship, /spit and multiple other emote censorshipYou might be able to squeeze out a little more disingenuousness if you farted out that butt plug, faggo mcgee
>>748537063it's worth it to get classic as a first timer and try to get to level 10 or something on all the classes in hardcore, would be a fun way to learn the game imo
>>748536957>one of these fucking threadsCan you show me a single thread on /v/ that is not this? If it looks new it's a repost from Twitter. If it's a fun or informative thread it's a repost from discord. This place is on its last legs.
>>748536595>please X part of the player base People are framing this as an innocent preference thing when really it's one of the most direct indictors of blizzard's attitude toward forever going forward. People are concerned for a valid reason, not just preference of the older models. Sky elves aren't just bad because they break the game's visual cohesion, it also shows that blizzard is willing to add completely random bullshit that has no context in the wider world and basically doesn't exist unless you're looking right at it.
>>748537015>WoW F is visually pretty greatWhat Kool Aid are you drinking? It looks like complete shit
>>748537038KWAB
>>748537154I played like, over 10 years ago, during mists of pandaria. Is forever going to be more like classic hardcore than classic mists? That's what I was originally intending to try.I've got about 2 weeks of free time before I hit up an oil rig for the rest of october, so wanted to give it a go.
>>748529352The real Classic+ was on private servers, and they're gone now
>>748537095>hiddenNigger all those servers are full of discord troons.Feel free to hang yourself when you get the chance. Not that you need much encouragement.
>>748537087they made an entirely believable zone that fit the classic aesthetic between Stormwind and Searing gorge, it connected them together and used that part of the map that was never used by Blizzard called Pale Reach
>>748537063Forever? Eh. You can wait a week for the lvl cap to bump to 30 but I don't think you're missing much. If you're jonsing that hard just fuck around in an era or classic place for a bit. I don't think the new race/zone is worth 30 but it's more about support for the mode than unlocking them/it imo.>>748537187Anon people are screaming at the sky for what is supposed to be a bug test and server stress test, trying to wrangle textures and models to the front and center is just autistic. I genuinely think they'll get to it, but it shouldn't be the focus right now. That little dwarf in Auberdine who can teach you fishing just doesn't for a whole chunk of people. The game should be playable first. >>748537230To each their own, Anon.
The problem with mmos is every moment I spend on something like this I think: oh i i could have played my main genre instead and every second I'm not I'm getting worse instead of better. Or I could have read a book. Or anything really. Like I sit down and play something like this, and suddenly 4 hours is gone and I feel like I ruined an entire day. I feel deeply nostalgic for this game but it's impossible to shake this feeling.
>>74853740799% of MMOs, and 100% of MMOs since like 2015 are the opposite, they let you play and make progress for about 1 hour a week, then you're locked out and gated and unable to do anything but meaningless side content, it's ALL dumbed down for normalfags.
That cuck tom ellis deleted his twitter account after someone posted him thisGamers are making an impact
>>748537326What's your point you gigantic retard, there's troons on retail servers, there's troons right here on 4chan even, what matters is are they making important decisions about the game's production? Retail: yes, pservers: no, codemonkeys at best.
>>748537512
>>748536585Bro, I don't know how else to tell you this, but WoW has always been one of the most brain-dead easy games ever. If you're regularly dying or can't figure out how to play something as basic as a fucking warrior, then you suck at vidya to the point where maybe you should pick another hobby.Like, how the fuck do you suck at any of the various WoW leveling experiences? The game practically plays itself.
>>748537512Be a better man
obviously we can't know for sure, but is it likely that classic eats shit and loses players after forever comes out?
>>748537512This is ironic because someone swore up and down last thread that they would never unperson someone off the internet and that was purely made up, and not even 1 hour later here we are.
>>748537551>>748537512
>>748537517>there's troons right here on 4chan evenYes, you
>>748537389>To each their own, Anon.No, you're just shilling. Nobody with working eyes would think that slapping modern AAA lighting and volumetric fog over 2004 textures and a completely different art style actually looks good. This is a complete joke.
The Tom Ellis shit never would've happened if he hadn't acted like a smug redditor over it. "Be a better human being" and then posting pic related as a "gotcha" the day after reeks of the exact kind of employee behavior that helped make Blizzard the laughing stock it is today.
>>748537606>unperson someone off the internetwat
>>748537731Zoomers eho grew up with tiktok and streams use those retarded terms
>>748537389>trying to wrangle textures and models to the front and center is just autisticWe aren't talking about minor visual differences, it's literally the face of the entire game and all the marketing. There's a reason the public reception has been so vocal and negative. It gives far more people a negative impression of the game than some random bugged fishing trainer ever could.
>>748536891It's political. the guys who run the SOD/Forever team don't want to risk their jobs. So they would fight back against any Turtle WoW buyout or whatever. Blizzard doesn't run like Valve.
>>748537716Clearly he was the one stealing the breastmilk from the company fridge.
>>748536521>tranny>troll>pushing drugs>teenage level zoneFucking crazy
>>748537512>>748537551>>748537584>admonishes the people he banned for saying no-no words>gets banned from social media by his bosses for saying no-no wordsWhat's even funnier is that the twitter posting that these devs do is probably a humiliation ritual forced upon them by HR, the same HR who is now gaping his asshole
>>748537650Not him, and I know your probably not sentient and dont listen to reason but turtle wow disallowed any discussion of real world politics so it was kind of a haven from sweaty neck beards like yourself who literlly have only a few words in their vocabulary, turtle wow died so they could sell gay ass blue elves and level boosts to retards but it was an amazing server and I still have a lot of friends from there, I pity you
I'm gunna go shower and play something so yall have fun unless I get bored and come back. >>748537356I think a lot more people would complain if they were just literally re-using assets and doing nothing new or different from the free server they just squashed. Only nu-zone is the sky elf place and it's largely re-used assets also, and the sky pillars from Cata. I haven't watched the videos or streams of people going to either Hyjal or the planes place yet so I can't comment on those but it I don't see why they won't do well if all I'm doing it basing my opinion off of the HD owlbear model, because that would be silly. >>748537589That or the playerbase fractions even harder and we see which Blizz will give the chopping block. >>748537651God forbid I just want to talk about a game I actually played instead of the 20th thread being chuds vs nonchuds or whatever. Plenty of people don't share your opinion, Anon, the last two days I logged in more than one person in general chat was happy with the new look. You're entitled to that opinion tho, no one is doing to make you play this. The lighting effects specially in darkshore give it a new feel since you can't see a god damn thing, but it still needs work like I mentioned before with the inn. Also one of the dev podcasts mentioned you'd want to start bringing a torch so it'll have it's moments probably more noticeable when the next lvl cap bumps. Also Orgrimmar doesn't have buildings they live in huts 2/10>>748537789Well there's already the updated bear, given how autistic people are over muh old textures, they're probably trying to get it right, along with rigging and making sure it doesn't clip. Orc females have a few missing frames in their run rn and it hasn't gotten fixed. I don't think you're correct that the game not functioning at random areas is less important than a model that is on the way. When they updates the elves and bear, will you change your opinion or just keep complaining?
>>748537891>and I still have a lot of friends from thereThe ones that didn't ACK themselves?
>>748537270it'll be way more like classic ya, hardcore or just vanilla
>>748537891Sounds nice in theory but blizzard devs would probably continue to shoehorn in gay and tranny shit and extremely transparent political allegories because "it isn't political, chud, it's a fact"
>>748537961Anon, they were normal people, unlike you, how do you live with yourself?
>>748537994guess I'll go give some chink a tenner for a time card and give classic hardcore a go and see how fast I die lmfao.Thank you anon, have a wonderful rest of your weekend
>>748538025you too, i hope you have fun
the same posts with the same pictures
>>748531191Never.This is current Blizzard's attempt to kill it once and for all by supplanting classic.
>>748538006Yea well they didnt on turtle, it was 0 tolerance for politics, and guess what, in 5 years incident see a single bot, all the Chinese and Russians got banished to their containment server too, GDKP was banned, there was tonnes of new content, some easy raids some hard some 10 man some 40 man, I have nothing but praise for it, it was literally he best version of classic wow
Like clockwork the private server fag is here to cry again using the same 5 images. Has he called anyone Raj yet?
>>748538094>Chinese and Russians got banished to their containment server tooWhen did that happen I played it like, 4 years back? Got more than a few gold spams, but pretty par for the course for free servers with mtx
>>748538114But I havnt posted any images, also not sad it was a great server and it's gone because of corporate greed, it's more disappointment than sadness
>>748537038HOLY FUCK LOL
do they ever put subscriptions on sale or is the perpetual $80/6mo thing pretty much the best value?Trying to decide if I want to go balls deep on spending that.
>>748538154It was about 3 years ago if I'm not mistaken, the chinese were annoying people so they got contained, never really saw any Russians myself though so cant comment on that
>>748529352>People unironically thought>Blizzard the company filled with annoying faggots and fat people>Who got rid of everyone based>Would somehow be different with WoW ForeverYou guys realize this their last ditch effort albeit a poor one at going forward with putting a skeleton crew on retail. Meaning all those retail devs are going to be working on forever. Give or take it'll end up being more like retail than classic a year on out.
>>748538078It's just flowchart "trolling" these guys have a fucking checklist for like 90% of the threads in here.
>>748538179Anon if your honestly considering giving new blizz that much money right off the bat if got nothing but pity for you, for reference bots have already been sighted on the beta realms, I mean realm it's a single mega server so there will be no actual community
>>748538258I don't really care about that, do you have an answer to my question?
My life for the war
>>748537038kek fuck you nigga i got banned and refunded i bet lots of others did too and he got the call
>>748538179Idk I usually just pay $15/mo when I play and cancel when I don't.
>>748535242>Because 'modders' probably don't need to pay for licenses for tools>we can make an MMO>a blender plugin that lets us export low res texture 3D models to the proprietary model format WE MADE? impossibleAbsolutely bullshit, either they're lazy faggots that can't be bothered to do the job or an actual cargo cult running a game on their equivalent of lostech.
>>748537301Good.
>>748535208>Okay so make new tools that work like the old ones?You're right but they wont because that means they can't copy/paste their existing retail artstyle and actually have to put in the effort to make something that fits.
>>748538296Blizz never puts subs on sale. With that said, that anon's just trying to make you reconsider your life choices. Even I want to play this iteration to try it out but I know full-well that it's going to be an otherwise hollow and empty experience since it doesn't actually fix some of the major MMO flaws that have always existed in WoW.Him mentioning the bots in beta is related to one of those things: Blizzard has never bothered to pay even a decent or serviceable economist to teach them how to counter-game the gamification of the in-game economy such as the auction house. That they can't figure it out still to this day, says a lot about them. They could still make it tons of fun to play around with the in-game economy without bots ruining it by instantly cornering the market.Is that bot-ruined game what you want to dump that much money into?
>>748537512Ah bro he fucked up.Yeah it's probably a joke but holy fuck he fucked up lmao.
>>748537958So stuck in the mindset of everyone playing WoW being a chronic addict who has been playing for the last 20 years no matter what. You don't get to experience the bugs if the marketing is so dogshit you never buy the game. Even people who have never played WoW can see the new shit looks weird and out of place and plenty of old players are so turned off by it they wont come back.
>Tfw all 2/3 of the new dungeons people can get into have secret bosses/areasUnless someones aware of something in the hall of thanes?
>>748537512B U S T E DU STEDhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2SJNCFBQ_s
>>748538312This is what he looks like now.
>>748537512Now you've done it chudsBlizzard will be forced to hire RiotLyte in his stead
>>748538574
How are the specs that were bad originally? Arcane mage and melee hunter any good?
>>748537512>>748537551
>>748538845I dont know but some entire classes got dumpstered
>>748537551>makes fun of people getting b& for auto-generated names>someone drags up a tweet from over a decade and a half ago and gets him firedA fitting end for the blizztard.
>>748538915The internet is forever:) I love the universe being retarded like that
>>748538948Yeah shit like that is why I'll never open an account on facebook/twitter/whateverthefuck.All it takes is someone taking a joke from 15 years ago out of context and you're fucked.
>>748537551>>748537512>Rightoids are the ones cancelling people nowFuck, I love this timeline and what's even more funny are the people who were the first wave virtue signalers who were cancelling others. Posting memes back then that were considered okay for the time but then these people get absolutely raped because they've engrossed themselves with people who'll do anything to fuck you over to seem more morally superior.
>>748539002Moreso that people always say that you need to "be better" and somehow get undone and feel ashamed of their past. Wouldn't it make you more of a "better" person to admit "yeah I used to think that way and speak that way but I changed"?Or is it that they know that no one would actually believe or care?It's just really fucking mercilessly cruel, and also slightly funny that for all the preaching people do about self-improvement, no one actually believes any of it, your impression once soured is impossible to recover in like 99.99999999% of situations, big or small. It's fascinating to me.
>>748539020>should we do something cool?>no, let's put in gay blue elves
>>748529352Blizzard is a troon company. You will get nothing of value from them.
So that means forever will be chud free on release? Based.
Well maybe Tom Ellis should've jsut been a better human innit
>>748539585You can get some laughs at them when they get fired
>people have ANY hope for anything that Blizzard touchesWhat has that company done in the past decade, that has been of any good quality?
>>748539209True. No matter how much good you do in life people will onlu ever talk about the bad. Because praising someone doesn't satisfy the ego in the same way that being a petty bitch does.
>>748539828classic was a solid release.Sure it lacked compared to pure passion project pservers in many ways, but classic was pretty good. SoD was good, I even think classic prog has been good, and classic hardcore was good.Now, are those all blizzard? no, they conglomerated ideas from everyone else.
One of my old guildmates asked if I was playing wow forever, what should I tell her?
>>748529352Every game has a beginning, middle and end. If World of Warcraft accepted that, we wouldnt be here today.
>i didn't expect HR to eat MY face
>>748539952>tits pls
>>748539134those faggots invaded our space, and now we are fighting back
>Blizzard doing classic+>gay blue elves>and they are a neutral faction>horde gets paladins and alliance gets shamans>everything new looks like it was ripped from retail>undead paladin despite it being lore breaking>dwarf shaman because retail>no new classes>no Naga or Ogres or anything that should actually fit>the only good ideas were directly taken from private servers >within a few months the classic+ experience will be full of bots and they will announce the Classic+ TokenNah. I'll continue sticking to private servers.
>>748539020From the incredibly jank 5 player private server I putz around in occasionally, this could be Forever if they had BALLS.
>>748538536People who have never played WoW will probably not like any variant that isn't from Cata/MoP onward. Someone whose never touched WoW but would still be in the age range to touch it is probably someone who also played Roblox at a certain point and the last thing that game ever did was look good. It's a wildly (Old/slow/tedious) different kind of game compared to any modern mmo. Weird take desu. If the server's population / constant sharding is anything to go by right now (A version of this game that is, by the dev's admission, not done. With a 60 dollar buy in to boot) you are unfortunately incorrect. I hope they can fix the whatever it is that's triggering to you.>>748538845The last update did some over hauls to a few moves, Paladins getting a silly amount of love but they're viable tanks and dps even at lvl 20. Rage normalization (From what I hear) makes warriors annoying to play but will even out later on. Druids are painful to level because they don't really get decent toolkits with the current level cap. I have heard melee hunter is having a meme of a time but I'll know more about that in a few days because that's the next class I'm gunna play, I think it's just the early levels being fairly breezy that's contributing to it.
>>748540012>>undead paladin despite it being lore breakingDoesn't this apply to UD priests who've been around forever? Dwarf shamans are canon also. Wildhammers.
I'm having a ton of fun. I can't believe people are here whining instead of adventuring.
>>748537572>as basic as a fucking warriorI asked people and warrior is basically the worst class at low levels
>>748539134The dog whistle 4chan pedophile meme was only okay because virtually no one knew what it was, it was never okay lmao
>>748539994Thanks
>>748537572A lot of 'classic' players first mmo was probably wotlk. Not knowing previous mmos let other players loot your corpse's gear on walk back, flagged you as a murder for PKs, or lose xp/lvls when you died. WoW was baby's first mmo.
>>748540150Fairly certain in-lore, Undead priests are always Shadow.Even if you overlook that, I could see undead tolerating some level of masochism to heal others as a Priest using the light. Paladins, however, are supposed to be supercharged with the light. This would just be endless torture for the undead and it just wouldn't work.
>>748540006Other way around.
>>748539952tell """her""" that wow forever is certified chudcore and therefore should be avoided at all costs
>>748540314I haven't touched horde stuff yet but I'm sure it's the same level of picky choosey BS. Rule of cool and all that.
>>748539973It really is divine, why's he not taking any smug little selfies now?
in forever, what's the beta looking like for most needed archetype? Trying to decide between healer and tank. I've never actually played a tank, because I get that low level social anxiety about fucking things up, but think with the general popularity of forever, it might be a good excuse to fuck up and not be permanently blacklisted like I would on classic or retail lmao
>>748540021>Light elf REAPERkek
>>748540150Wildhammer dwarfs had no shaman shit in vanilla
>>748540314>Fairly certain in-lore, Undead priests are always Shadow.What's really funny is that they immediately contradict themselves, when you get your starting area quest to hand your trainer a letter he tells you to forget about the Holy Light, then at level 5 when he sends you to Brill he starts saying how you will he taught in both the Light and Shadow.
>>748529352trying to balance the game starting from vanilla to be around raids brings up problems that the old blizzard solved by making it so when hyrbids choose one spec that is the role they do and they cant do other roles as well. We are seeing that in Forever with >spellpower being tied to gear. if you want that chunky spellpower melee weapon you have to take a 20-25% dps loss on raw damage from melee attacks.>shaman crit damage bonus is deep into ele tree now, resto cant get 100% spell damage crit bonus anymore, making resto pvp a little worse.as well as overall balance changes so far like>drastically reduce warrior and rogue scalingwarriors are going to need some sort of retail tier overhaul of some of their abilities or else they are going to be 1-2 button spammers in raids and will be more boring than vanilla warrior, even assuming they do overall more damage in this they will still mechanically be even worse off than vanilla warrior.Rogues are looking to be almost the same as vanilla/tbc rogue, their overall scaling is being reduced but maybe new items will make up for it? or maybe rogues wont be worth a raid slot? idk.>improve druid scalingdruids are crying bloody murder that they cant powershift anymore >"its like im going to have to wait for my energy to regen to use abilities?" (yes really)despite being omega buffed in terms of scaling and dps talents. Aggrend could give bear druids lazer beams coming out of their eyes that do a million DPS and 1 hits everything and druids would complain that it costs too rage or something. its like everyone giving druid feedback is a mentally ill fury who wants to have their cake and eat it too.mages have ice lance now which costs like no mana, so one effective way to play atm is using rank 1 frostbolt until you get frozen perk then use ice lance, just spam rank 1 frostbolts ice novas, and ice lances.its like every other class plays worse than it did in vanilla.
>>748540464Healers and especially tanks are always in demand because people refuse to play them for some reason. You will see groups of 2 or 3 paladins looking for tanks and healers because majority will be playing dps.
>>748540198Yo senior game producer is a pdf lil gup>>748540006based keep up the good fight
how's shaman looking? I sort of want to play resto shaman for pvp and pve
>>748536891They literally hired their best modders for Warcraft III's newest expansion
>>748541213that's a good thing to do but it;s not going to help wow forever not suck since wc3 is a different game
>Gnome>Female>Warlock>Twintail hairstyleyup, its gaming time
>>748540509Wildhammers have had shamans the whole time, Anon, the fuck do you think lightning throwing gryphon riders were, piolt class?
>>748540189yes vanilla leveling is much harder and you die much easier than retail and warrior can be very hard if you dont know the game.
>>748541091resto sham doesnt get 100% crit damage bonus on elemental spells anymore. you get riptide and mana shield though
>>748541398> the fuck do you think lightning throwing gryphon riders wereDwarven warriors using specially forged stormhammers, until the retcons anyway. There was nothing shamanistic going on and no deal or bond with the elements, just dwarven master smiths making some wacky dwarven blacksmith magic for their warriorsNTA btw and I don't mind dwarf shamans really. Am just saying
>>748541398https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/StormhammerDumb nigger
>>748541268no stop I'm supposed to be original
>>748541398Wildhammer gryphonrider is a unit based on Thor, they throw a mjolnir which comes back to them. Dwarfs in gerneral should be runemasters instead of shamans. Blizzard added shamanism to them because there is no other class that uses lighting and they are too lazy to implement runemasters in other ways.
wait so if I buy the $60 beta access, I only get the 30 days sub time at launch, not now?don't I need sub time to play the beta?
>paladins given random QoL features and things that are clearly meant for PvP, like a new ability to be immune to interrupts, as if bubble/stuns werent enough>holy reworked so you can be a healer or DPSer with it>talents removed and made baseline because aggrend said "it felt like it was necessary so i said fuck it ill give it for free to everyone else who plays my class"
>>748541734I always felt that night elf shaman would've been way more fitting, it's pretty close to druid stuff already
>>748541747You don't need a sub to play the beta and it's up all the way until launch
>>748534052>cope bearbird looks like absolute fucking shit. >horse looks like something from cata or MoPclassic is effectively over my dude. it's more obvious than ever
Has anyone had luck with the opt-in?
>>748541824>AP ret is unusable, twist of light isn't worth it>holy requires going 28 deep into ret since their capstone isn't worth it>holy strike is garbage and ret is just holy strike and judgmentI love non-paladins talking about how good paladin supposedly is.
>>748542140>>cope bearbird looks like absolute fucking shit.So just like the vanilla models then. There is value in consistency, if I wanted retail models I'd go play retail
>>748542197for beta access? I got in because I registered interest well before it launched, haven't heard of any of my friends who signed up after launch getting in.
>>748534965what certain other companies sound like >our goal is to achieve something like that but we are currently working on x first.what blizzard sound like>it's because of our tools>it's too hard>we dont have the code anymoreeven the diablo devs were like this. it's like they all get a book of excuses to read from.
>>748542232>noo we can fix the blue elf bear bird by taking the bear model and sticking a bird head on it>wdym?? it looks just as good as all the other modelsyou must have a hole in your brain.
>>748537326>pservers: imaginary legion of troons because...vs>retoilet: actual, tangible troonery and faggotry built INTO the gameebin cope retard
>>748541513Specifically Wildhammer dwarfs but I'll take the lore L, that said I very much remember old rabble about if anyone was going to get shamans added it would be because of them. Given that's the direction cata went, works for me.
Asmongolds alt righter band has bullied the "be better human" lead dev from the internet.Is this what you wanted??
>>748542493The tauren bear model is literally just a bear with a horns on it the cat is literally just a cat with a cow face>nooo but i don't like itthen you don't like vanilla models and your input is basically "they shouldn't make vanilla models" which contradicts the goal of making vanilal models i.e. stick to retail cocksucker
>>748542945What you do sticks around and defines you. He is no different than anyone else he's claiming to be a "bad human". People are stupid and make edgy jokes. He's trying to say that if you do, you're a bad human. He made edgy jokes, he is a bad human.That's all, he can't tolerate that objective fact, and is running away from everyone pointing it out, loudly, to his face.
>>748542945That information was posted in this thread earlier, guy
>>748543049He's not a guy anymore, friend
>>748542945>be WoW chud, name my character Ret Ardin>get banned>"be a better human", "fuck around and find out">be Tom Ellis, a 30 year old man, make pedobear jokes in the same year skyrim releases (he really must've liked pedobear to stick with it for this long) >get cancelled >NOOO IT'S BULLYING THEY JUST WANT REVENGE
>>748543021He's an idiot that thought the first rule of the internet applied to everyone but himself
>>748543010>i.e. stick to retail cocksuckerexceptional display of cope. i don't play wow at all. i moved on ages ago because i'm not a retard.maybe they should insert your lowres bear bird as an mtx. only 30 dollars ontop of your sub :)
>>748543106To be honest, getting canceled for a random post you made 16 years ago is actually terrifying. He said his friends and family were getting harassed as well.We've gone back to witch hunts.
>>748541268>>748541665tranny
>>748542625>my troons are better than yoursNeck yourself
>>748543195Anons don't like thing so they'll do thing to make sure no one likes thing even tho they will continue to do thing.
>>748543239I feel like a wave of misery and terror is approaching that will completely ruin the internet. Say what you will about sjws but they didn't go after families.
>>748542945Yeah actually.Trolls remorse xillennials are a fucking scourge.>Yes I was edgy once but YOU DONT GET TO BE EDGY BECAUSE I SAY SOO!!!!Get em all out.
>>748543195>He said his friends and family were getting harassed as well.That's drama speak for "they tagged them on this facebook post after going back to it">We've gone back to witch hunts.Interestingly when I got banned for a character I immediately deleted because I just wanted to test out filters he said I'm lying and told me to go be a better human. I think we HAVE gone back to witch hunts, you're right, but I hope you're not trying to imply it's being done to him only, he also participated
>>748543279Yes they did.
>>748543279rightos have always been the more scorched earth people traditionally. probably swing back after the next ameriboo election. I hope steven bannon burns to death.
>>748543279>Say what you will about sjws but they didn't go after families.Are you retarded dude? The bread and butter of cancel culture is publicizing racist wrongdoings towards employer and family. It's literally the defining aspect of the whole SJW concept of "cancelling" someone
>>748543353No, and not even once can you give an example of this happening. Not only has the level of personal harassment escalated exponentially, but loved ones are being targeted as well. This is actual terrorism and the end result of all this is going to be really fucking ugly. Anons are going to find out what it really means to have free speech censored if the current trajectory continues, because powerful people will take notice.
>>748543398SJW's didn't really have any pull, those people stopped self identifying with that term a few years before the more public shame folks came alone and they normally stopped at employers. I say this on the forum that tried to do that during gamer gate, two sides of the same coin I suppose nta.
>>748543468So what did they do to his relatives? Do you have details? You make it sounds very dire. Do you think they got... gasp.. facebook messages??? Telling them he posted pedobear?? That's so vile... his poor family..
>>748543468>have free speech censoredThat's already happening, Blizzard is banning players just for using raunchy names
>>748543468>This is actual terrorismToo obvious anon
>>748543021You are fucking dishonest. He said when you lie about "omg le evil blizzard banned me for having an okay username" you are a bad human because you fucking lie.>>748543106If this would be an alt right grifter and the woke mob would cancel him for a decade old joke (which was absolutely used b everone on 4chan, so you are a newfag) you would get assmad. And bullying his family aswell is not normal just because he was doing his job.This is fascism, and people bullied him just because he dared to speak against their streamer leader.Asmongold needs to get banned.
>>748543570The nazis were just doing their jerbs too
>>748543468You need to read his tweet properly he didn't say they're harassing his friends or family, but that >trying to cause shit with my friends and familyThe meaning is that they're telling on him. Faggot behavior but he started it
Jesus Christ there's 24/7 whine threads up shut the fuck up
>>748543517No, blizzard is revoking beta access temporarily for using raunchy names. Here's what will happen to this guy:He'll lose his job. Blizzard will revoke his stock holdings. He won't be hirable any where else. He'll have to eat through his 401k. He'll likely go on foodstuffs. Because of an insane online harassment campaign. And it's not just popular figures who are vulnerable. If this becomes common place it can happen to you. You could piss off a schizo in a video game and they could make it their life's mission to stalk and harass you. There are a lot of anons here already like that. It's really easy for one person to ruin your life doing that. The internet is going to become much more closed off if this continues.
>>748543570Yes, I am in fact happy when my enemies get killed, and sad when my allies get killed. You have uncovered great "hypocrisy">wahh wahhh why don't chuds put principles first??? I would prefer if they put your ilks heads on pikes, and I think they will
>>748543725>my enemies>my alliesYou really are an sjw
