>Mann-Conomy>F2P>MYMWhy can nobody ever seem to agree on which event was the worst for this game and was the point of no return?
>>748672163who fucking cares
two of these were obnoxious, but only MYM actually broke the main gameplay loop irreparably
>>748672163I'm pretty sure everyone outside of your off-site echo chamber agrees that it was MyM that killed the game for good.
>>748672418I wasn't implying that meet your match was the worst of those, Anon
Killing lobbies killed the game.
>>748672502Well it was, if all the community figureheads begging Valve to revert it specifically wasn't a sign.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcJoQR0JUHc
Meet Your Match and Jungle Inferno are by far the most destructive updates for different reasons. The former irreparably ruined the playability of Valve servers, the latter nerfed a large chunk of weapons into being unfun.
>>748672163>if valve is motivated by good press and keeping their communities happy, why havent they reverted casual yet?>if valve is motivated by cash flow and the low quality matches are driving players away, why havent they reverted it yet?it seriously makes zero fucking sensei hate having to pass around the corpse of this game between niggers who genuinely think casual mode saved tf2, and faggots who snortled at a shitty sfm meme recreation once and think their vote for an emporium halloween shitpile hat should count as much as mine.
pro tip: it was mann-conomy.
>>748672163the top two at worst just brought in annoying retards who eventually became self contained, the latter pretty forever buttfucked the game and led to the worst period in tf2s history which is arguably still going on since even with the bots gone (at least in the form of obvious sniper aim bots) everybody started realizing that them having to constantly gamble on a decent match wasn't just due to said bots, its just the default experience
>>748672163Jungle Inferno was the update that raped the game for meGun Mettle being a close second due to comptards
>Mannconomyruined video games forever>F2Pwasn't really that bad.>Steam WorkshopGood idea in concept but it ended up being bad for tf2>MYMruined TF2 forever.
>4chan and TF2 died in the same yearKind of poetic if you think about it
>>748672657I'd slip in Gun Mettle as wellnerfs on all weapons are not fun and cringe
Gun Mettle for nerfing Caber.The only objectively good change was airblast nerf in 2015.
>worstGun Mettle for nerfing weapons and appealing to esports comp retards>point of no returnJungle Inferno for driving another nail in the coffin for all weapons and appealing to esports comp retards all the wayI'm glad I stopped playing this shit game ages ago
2012 huh?
based gun mettle haters
>>748672163mann-conomy and F2P are both part of why TF2 has lasted has long as it has. anyone can join in with zero investment making it so that a lot more people are willing to try since it only costs time, and the cosmetics are high tier player expression compared to every other shooter.but it was the updates that started to fuck with the game's balance to pander to compfags that ruined it (gun mettle, MYM, JI) ontop of matchmaking completing raping community.
>>748672163It's MYM. It will always be MYM. Forced matchmaking is the single worst thing that could've happened.
>>748672163It was matchmaking. Matchmaking is always bad.
>>748675374Finally an anon who gets itcompfags ruined this game
>terrible cosmetics, downgraded weapon models to make space for said cosmetics and gambling is why tf2 has lasted as long as it hasthen it should've ended sooner
Sandman and Caber were beyond OP and deserved their nerfsAlso heavy minigun shouldnt make sniper flinchAlso we need to nerf all weapons that counter sniperBuffing spy and removing all the bugs that allow them to do stabs from insane angles and make it really obvious when they are disguised because certain cosmetics/weapons are bugged on them?Uhhhhhh lets make it so you can see the outlines of all friendly players (and disguised spies) on spawn!
>>748675876>and make it really obvious when they are disguised because certain cosmetics/weapons are bugged on them?It's still bugged today. The latest vibecoded fix just make the game more susceptible to crash.
>>748675374>mann-conomy and F2P are both part of why TF2 has lasted has long as it hasThis just makes me think that tf2 was never really that good of a game if what managed to stop it from dying was gambling and microtransactions
>>748676356partially true.TF2C tried the whole "2007 TF2 no cosmetics fuck Valve" way back in the 2014 and that shit barely lasted for 2 months.
>>748672656I think it's generally agreed upon that simply walking back casual would fix the game for the core vanilla experience people simply want back, I'm honestly just shocked and grasping at straws as to why they haven't, WHY they haven't is my biggest issue because reverting quickplay does so many things like:>unfucks all of the gameplay issues instantly that casual caused>unfucks the issues relating to map rotations by letting people vote for what map they want next once the match time runs out, let alone the fact that the round can be extended if people also vote for it>makes the gameplay flow experience of getting into a match utterly effortless, even more effortless by being able to connect to the servers you want to in the server browserI just don't understand why, why haven't they done something as vital as reverting the damage that is MYM's matchmaking system when it literally causes nothing but positive repercussions for the game WHICH WAS ALREADY WORKING WITHOUT ANY ISSUES.
>>748676356tf2 wasn't in any danger of dying at that point valve just said they wanted more money for their work updating the game in the update post itself
>>748676456and before some retarded zoomer tries to pull some historical revisionism on mehttps://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=4410
>>748676442I think its a combo of stubborn pride and the current devs either being to lazy or not having the skills to do a full revert, probably mostly stubborn pride since reverting match making would be admitting an entire update was a terrible mistake
>>748676426Yeah... I'd be full of shit if I said that I didn't have fun in classified tho. Troon devs and all that aside.
>>748676442Valve admitting they fucked up with overhauling the matchmaking would be a huge blow to PR in their eyes, especially with every new shooter out since having copied the OW/e-sports model as well.
>>748676675Well the current dev is literally just eric smith on janny duty and the pride side is the most admittable but I wouldn't call it pride, I'd call it higher up interference that's caused this issue to go as long as it has for so long; admittably like >>748676746 said, PR means everything to valve currently and walking back could mean a downward spiral for them plus the cattle of this game still bankroll the shit out of it. But then there's the new MVM update, if that fucks up then valve takes a massive PR hit anyways because plenty of the old TF-eceleb guard are hyping it with others to boot, they could've stayed radio silent about it but have doubled down on the prospect; point being is that the PR backlash or damage from a casual revertion would be lesser compared to what I'm imagining with the possibility of the MVM update failing spectacularly, if that goes wrong in certain areas then there will be way worse feedback as a result.
the mvm update WILL fail spectacularly. the whole idea is a failure because nobody gives a fuck about mvm except for a small clique of gambling addicts that also, for some reason, hate you for speeding up the gambling process (gasoline pyro)
>>748676442Current TF2 source code has a lot comments related to how much the devs themselves hype for the matchmaking update.Of course, sunk cost fallacy and all that. They don't feel like just burn their MM code to the ground.
>>748677035wtf i love ai leaving codemonkeys jobless now
>>748674672Gun Mettle was a mixed bag, some of the balance stuff was good.
Update Sized Update soonTRUST
>>748677119and we got Pauling out of it FWIWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoXSFNeTwMdon't look up who voiced her
>>748677119Gun mettle's issue wasn't the balancing, it was the writing on the wall it spelled for the coming changes later on in the game's life since it's the 2nd most heavily balance based patch the game had iirc, not even addressing the cs:go-like features, generally it's a good update all in all but so many bad things were to follow.weapon skins are fucking dogshit and are the biggest cosmetic creep added to the game, novel initially but lose their charm after long enough.
>>748677119>some of the balance stuff was good.none of it was good and ruined the fun of the game.>inb4 ullapool caber user/dead ringer cuckI never used them and I still hated this update with a burning passion
>>748677250I blame skins being shit on complete lack of quality control in 2019-2022. The recent ones are quite okay, even if I do agree skins in general feel tacked on.
>https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1877>https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/7817Why would you want Quickplay back chud?Don't you see the community doesn't want an inferior system back
>>748677418I liked the various buffs the miniguns received, fucking over Snipers with the Natasha/Brass Beast lower headshot damage was awesome, especially when combined with Dalokohs. Tomislav finally found its niche, too.
>>748677563the game was better with no nerfs periodcompfags ruin everything they touch
>>748677689I mean, those fun Natascha/Brass Beast quirks got gutted due to compie Snipers' constant bitching, so we're on the same page here.And most of the nerfing (especially Caber) was a mistake.
tf2 might legitimately losing the last bits of its relevancy i don't even get recommended any tf2slop on youtube anymore
>>748672163actually it was the update that added valve servers
>>748677551>quickplay ui is inferior because you cant select multiple maps or game modes>casual has been in the game for longer and tf2 has had higher player counts sincr then except a large majority of playercount is bot farming so actually quickplay would make the game worse>you actually only want the server settings back and not quickplay itself, so basically fuck you and your opinion is invalid. post mercenary badges now.i looked into a toilet and saw shit.
>>748675876Caber's problem was that it could one-shot medic, its damage should have been lowered just enough to only gape sniper's asshole
>>748677551Why is it that looking into an area that is meant to be where you'd expect more sophisticated individuals and all you find are retarded niggers who downplay quickplay with really poor arguments that relate to existing issues that casual has way worse than quickplay ever did.Why am I peering into another side of utter retardation, are coders or people who look into the game's source code stupid or something, then again people who "know" the game internally are usually are sharp as a redditor is when it comes to knowing what's right.
