>like japanese games>realize they've been completely outdone by western games for the past few yearswhy can't nips be creative anymore?
>>748703806Japs still make good vidya, just look at 13 Sentinels, Astlibra and Black SoulsAlso>deltatroon
>>748703806>Deltatroon>Outerwilds>Obradinn>UltrakillDon't lump this tranny garbage in with good games
>>748703996Outer Wilds is great
>>748704029outer wilds is for womenultrakill is as trannycoded as deltarune
>>748704029>guy who's only seen boss baby
>>748703996Obra Dinn is great, one of the best detective games ever made.t. straight white red-blooded male
>>748703806I realized the opposite but I only play for gameplay. 2/6. Thief black parade is insanely good as is ultrakill. The rest is okay or artsy fartsy slop
>>748704593if you only play for gameplay then nothing comes close to pvp online multiplayer
>>748704750I've been there before but very few PvP multiplater games currently active are actually good.
>>748703806>Mostly tranny shitYeah I guess Japan has fewer of those
>>748705130>rent free
>>748703806Yeah Japanese game studios have experienced a similar but perhaps less noticeable decline to western ones.But anyone telling you indie games are just as good or better than old games is just flat out lying. There are only a few indies that actually match the all-time greats in their genre from 20-40 years ago.
Obra Dinn is like 10 years old or so though
>>748703806No idea how anyone can play games from the last few years and come to this conclusion.
>>748705827There's no Deckbuilder, Puzzle game, or Sandbox RPG from 20-40 years ago that are even remotely close in terms of writing(LoR and VS) or Gameplay(VS and Kenshi). You're full of shit
>>748706332Deckbuilders are genuinely a garbage genre
>>748706519Yea most low iq rerards think that. You didn't disprove any of my statement either.
>>748706716Most low iq retards are the ones buying into this slop. More often than not in early access.>You didn't disprove any of my statement either.Saying VS or kenshi have better gameplay than all nip games isn't an objective fact for me to disprove, just a shitty opinion. Last (You) since this is clearly a bait thread.
>>748707040You couldn't name a single game in genre from 20-40 years ago that's better despite your initial claim. I accept your concession retard.
>>748706716nah he's right though it's not just deckbuilders, it's rng in general. it undermines the "iq" that you're speaking of, which is ironic. randomness is the equalizer that allows casuals to have fun while disrupting painstakingly crafted strategies by the "skillful">t. cleared max ascension sts2, master rank shadowverse, in recent memory
>>748707194Except it doesn't. Casuals cannot reach high ascensions or ranks in games alone. >SVRequires more than RNG to win, the skill comes from managing evo points and building counters into your deck that work with the combos. >STSNormalfags will never hit A10 in STS2 nor A20 in STS1, the game is too punishing and difficult for your average person to climb to higher ascensions in, it has normal mode and dailies for those people, meanwhile good players can go on max ascention streaks up wards of 50+ wins in a row. Some of these games take 4-8 hours and require intense concentration, preparation, and deep knowledge of the game. RNG is not the deciding factor in deck building games, it's a factor, but only a major one to bad players. People who complain about RNG are genuinely shit at anything they touch if a bit of randomness is enough to make them lose entirely and consistently.
>>748707843>Casuals cannot reach high ascensions or ranks in games alonesure they can, just rely on more luck until they win, that's how probability works. you're being contradictory here saying it's impossible to win by luck in a game with lucky elements>Requires more than RNG to win, the skill comes from managing evo points and building counters into your deck that work with the combos.if we dumb it down, we're talking about skill + luck vs skill + luck. are you trying to claim that it's impossible to win due to you drawing the wrong card, or them drawing the right card they needed? if that's the case, you are lacking experience. if you concede, you admit that luck does have a role in the outcome of a match>People who complain about RNG are genuinely shit at anything they touch if a bit of randomness is enough to make them lose entirely and consistently.you're free to call me a liar but i've max ascensioned both sts games and master ranked both shadowverse games. i think it's time you admit that you may be wrong about this statement
>>748706332>look up game trailer>it's completely wokelol
>>748703806There is still plenty the West cannot outdo.
>>748712359>Godhand>NgbAction kino is mostly dead but I really wish just about anyone would make more like this. We got Sifu out of France a few years back and some indie projects but beyond ng4 nothing big.Also vf5 is too good.
>>748711225Yea? Explain what's woke about it
>>748704593Fuck you anon, Outer Wilds is not artsy fartsy, it has strong game design and great level design, the puzzles are creative and smart. Its a gamey game.Dicso Elysium now that is artsy fartsy trash
>>748704750False, game design is better in single player games, way better actually.The thing with multiplayer is it provides better challenge and ceiling for game mastery, but game design wise they are generic and more of the same. I'm sure you know this so stfu.
>>748713219Game design and gameplay are 2 different things you fat retard. Singleplayer games will never offer gameplay as deep and rewarding as pvp games. Playing against an Ai or doing a presolved puzzle cannot compete with human intelligence and reactability.
>>748704064Women inherently can't understand exploration for the sake of it
>>748706332Isn't Library of Ruina a gacha game (and Korean)
>>748713420No, it's a full priced non gacha game, like 25$ I think. The deck building aspect is weaker than the best in the genre, but the story telling, and world building, especially after Lobocorp is top tier.
>>748703806Getting really tired of all these stupid 3x3 "general" threads.
>>748703806Substitute Deltarune for something else and the chart becomes extremely good. It isn't a good game unless you are into Undertale AU multiverse schizophrenia or whatever, but even then that has nothing to do with the game itself. It's basically an extremely linear JRPG with key jangling for UTfags.>>748705130Kenshi, Void Stranger, Ruina, Pathologic and Thief are all good games. Obra Dinn is a masterpiece detective game. That you have to invent tranny connections reveals you have not played any of them.
>>748713107Yeah okay agreed
>>748713841void stranger and ruina are good games. thief was good but didn't age well. obra dinn is very overrated. outer wilds is off the shill charts. didn't play the rest
>>748714205>thief was good but didn't age wellWrong
>>748703806>puzzle game bias>DeltaruneBlech
>>748714325is there a new thief game i missed or something? i remember playing it on a very old pc. it'd be similar to goldeneye 64 where i had fun but i can't imagine replaying it due to sloppy controls, comically bad ai, etc.
>>748714641It plays incredibly well. Controls can be remapped and newdark patch smoothes out engine bugs. There's a reason people are still making missions for it to this day including black parade campaign which fans worked on for 7 years. No stealth game since has done audio as well as thief. There's a night dive remaster coming but I don't have much confidence in that.
>>748714365>biasIt's called a preference.
>>748714819i stand corrected then. i only played the originals back when i was a kid and that about two decades ago, so my experience was based off that
>>748715040If you're ever curious the gog versions come bundled with newdark patches so they're relatively painless on newer hardware.
I played +250 games since I got a new computer and Outer Wilds is my #1. It truly is a masterpiece. It's insane. It's decades ahead of the rest of the industry; it's the kind of game that Nintendo should be ripping off instead of ubishit.
>>748715616Outer Dogshit isn't even a top 20 puzzle game. It's mediocre slop that normalfags eat up and think they played something deep.
>>748715725Peak midwit opinion + brownMultiple autistic youtubers who have played +100 puzzle games, including the founder of thinky games, rank it as one of their top games as well
>>748716001Brown midwits are the ones shilling that garbage>T..THE YOUTUBER AGREES WITH METhanks for proving my point. Literal normalfag games.
>>748715725Tell me what is wrong with it?
>>748716001>Outsourcing your opinions to YouTubeThanks for confirming what that other anon said.
>>748716127reddit likes it, everyone likes it, therefore it's bad
>>748716001it's a shill game. in a sense, you'd be right when you said it's the kind of game nintendo should be ripping because aiming at the lowest common denominator of consumers is a shared vision. it may wow entry level consumers but doesn't really stand up on its own as a "higher iq" puzzle game. it's made for the masses of dumb people to feel smarter about themselves
>>748703806I wish Kenshi was actually good.
>>748716127It's boring, tedious, bad writing and an even worse twist that you realize 5 hours into the game but have to continue for another 10 to finish it. It's literal normalfag slop there's nothing of interst in this walking simulat.. I mean "game" >>748716326>Everyone else eats shit so you should too
>>748703806Is Void Stranger worth buying if I've never played a sokoban game?
>>748703806Ruina is one of my favs of all time, and all the other games are good as well but>deltaruneWhy would you fuck up a good list like this?
outer wilds is a mystery/adventure game not a puzzle game. retards go play your grid sokoban and zachtroonicslop
>>748717154Yes, the game eases you into the idea of sokoban and levels are crafted to teach you ways of mastering how to manipulate the puzzles before forcing you into actually brain melting things.
>>748704139not him but i have played video games for more years than you have been alive and can confirm that outer wilds is a master piece
>>748717451Master Piece of shit maybe, games on par with Mixtape
>>748716127i'd tell you to try it and find out for yourself, but that would just play into the shills' hands. instead i'll just tell you, never trust a shill or fanatical enough to be one
