The point of runbacks in Souls games is to increase the stakes of a boss fight and give you a thrill.>man if I mess this boss fight up I'm gonna have to run from all the way back there! I better lock in!Runbacks are not supposed to be annoying because you're not supposed to suck at the game so bad it becomes annoying.You're supposed to die to a boss once, so that you get the thrill of running back and imagining how tedious it would be to do this all over again. But then you figure everything out and beat the boss on the second try. Occasionally, if a boss is really hard, it can go up to maybe five tries at most. But Fromsoft never meant for you to repeat any runbacks for more than that. If you find runbacks annoying and tedious, it's because you suck. You're not playing the games right and missing out on the intended experience. They're just a threat to increase the stakes and thus give you a better thrill when you win on the second try.
>>748766181Not reading all that. Everyone has souls slop fatigue, even normies.
>>748766523>Not reading all thatfucking hell americans are dumb, they think that a paragraph is a lot to read lmao
actually run backs are intended to artificially make the game harder by increasing the amount of time between exposure to patterns so that you find them harder to learnif you screw up your dodge to one specific attack and die and then see that attack again and again in quick succession, you will learn it too quickly and the fight is too easyputting a five-minute block in between increases the comprehension difficulty
>>748767320Skill issue
>>748766181>The point of runbacks in Souls games is to increase the stakes of a boss fight and give you a thrill.Until the designers make fights that are too ridiculous at first, so they realize that players don't want to trek 2-5 minutes to die in 10 seconds.Nameless and Friede killed the idea of them being valuable, and FROM inadvertently conceded they're just useless padding.
>>748766181I prefer annoying runbacks to annoying bosses
Actually the point of runbacks is to psychologically tie the boss you’re killing into the area they control. In old from games you’d jog through, say, the blighttown swamp into Quelaag’s cocoon, and form a mental connection between the spider witches and blight town. Placing the checkpoint right before the fight was reserved for climax moments, and implied that this is a culmination of everything you’ve done up to that point. Now with them cut pasting bosses and the insane overturned encounters everything’s a “climax” and it’s too much work for not enough payoff.
Runbacks are why souls games need a quicksave. I have a job and I really don't have the time or energy for this shit.
>>748766181They are just a level before the boss, anon. it's not that deep>but the level is just empty 30 seconds elevator ride to the bossthen that's a shit level
>>748767196I'm Mexican pendejo
that's a dumb way to increase the stakes, why not just increase the boss's health pool or add another phase? runbacks are pure tedium, no challenge
>>748773731It's there to filter the wheat from the chaff. There's no tedium if you're good enough. They simply didn't fathom how bad some people can be at their games when making them. You were never supposed to do a runback more than two or three times.
>>748773731nigga I dont wanna play boss rush simulator
>It's there to filter the wheat from the chaff. There's no tedium if you're good enough. They simply didn't fathom how bad some people can be at their games when making them. You were never supposed to do a runback more than two or three times.
>>748773731>level design in my boss rush game
>>748774356>>748774101why do you think i want less level design? just put the checkpoint next to the boss
>>748766181No, the point of runbacks is to waste your time and increase playtimeThe only thing they give me is the tedium of having to waste my time running back to the arena instead of having retrying the cool fight right away, not thrill. People who defend pretentious garbage like this are the same retards that defend old ass game difficulty despite it being a method to cash in on rentals and increase playtime
>>748774768They really need to respect our time. We're freaking adults now!
>>748766181>alonne runback>barebone corridor filled to the brim with katanafaggots and fireball casting lizardsmid souls 2
>>748775329I prefer spending my limited time on this earth doing things that are fun, for boringIf you pretentious crap like this, you do you though
>>748775632so true sister. btw if I already beat phase 1 of the boss, the game should skip right to phase 2 for further attempts.
>>748775839No need to be a disingenuous ass, sisterFighting a boss is fun, unlike runbacks
>>748776000runbacks can be fun and bosses can be shit, it's not black and white. ofcourse you have to design the levels accordingly and a lot of devs can't manage
>>748774101Well I do, there need to be more boss rush games. It's easier to suspend my disbelief in the fantasy of a hero beating an especially powerful opponent, taking a break and then beating another one, than it is to suspend my disbelief in the fantasy of a one-man army managing to kill 20 trained soldiers all on his own.
>>748766181I miss runbacks because it was fun to optimize a fast, safe route from the bonfire to the boss door.
Nightreign solves this issue by making fights single attempt trials.Same with Duskbloods on the final phases, you fuck up you lose, tough shit, try again.
>>748777167>co-op slop
>>748771624>Placing the checkpoint right before the fight was reserved for climax moments, and implied that this is a culmination of everything you’ve done up to that point.Where are you even getting this from, the number of counterexamples to this dwarfs the number of actual examples. Gwyn, FKA, Manus, etc. all have long as hell runbacks. If you're just talking about the last bosses in each Demons Souls world, I'd hardly call shit like Dragon God a "culmination" of anything.
>>748775482And I'll gratuitously mention frigid outskirt as the main reason to slice open the throat of the mongoloid inbreeding retards who made this game even if it's not a boss runback.
>>748777680Nevermind there's actually a boss at the end. I'm dropping the game before I can see him though. Dark Shit 2 was an endless gauntlet of continuously gorging yourself on excrements. How can people defend this turd?
>>748777953filtered
>>748778034There, a cophrophiliac faggot, probably a redditor too ( and trans ).
>>748766181Back in my day you put a checkpoint before the boss and nobody complained.
>>748777167Nightreign is just 30min runbacks. From tricked you into thinking the first two nights are anything but a slightly randomized runback.
>>748777953DS2 DLC runbacks are notoriously absolute cancer and only the clinically insane defend them.>>748776917I will say the one reasonable defense I've seen of longer runbacks is that they keep the level design from being too predictable. There's actually some stress in pushing forward with too many souls since you don't know if you're hitting a bonfire or a boss door next.
>>748777672Your or my opinion of dragon god is irrelevant to the developers intention.They dropped the concept of no run back pretty much entirely for ds1 but brought it back firmly by 3. Frida, SOC and Gael. Regardless, it’s not literally to build hype, it’s a concession that these bosses being hard, final game time encounters, are so difficult that asking for a run back would grate on their players. Over time QOL smoothed their audiences brain and they bitch about any run back at all.
>>748776437Name 3 fun runbacks in souls and likes
>challenging boss>dies >no runback> boss remains as intense and engaging Maybe from soft should rethink the way they design challenge of the only incentive they can give you to not fuck up is the 15 minute boring ass runback to the boss.
>>748783631>died once>have to restart the entire level for Sthis discussion is beyond you
>>748766523It's a pity Lies of P released after terminal Souls fatigue had already set in because it's actually a great game but I just can't bring myself to play yet another Souls clone.
>>748782370There isn't even one. They're designed to be annoying on purpose. The whole thing is a stupid idea and always has been. You don't even fight the enemies, you just take the most expedient route to sprint past them. Sometimes you even have to ride an elevator or some irritating, time consuming shit like that as well.
>>748767196It was obvious from the first sentence it wasn’t worth reading.>mutts out of nowhereGod damn they really are right for saying “rent free”.
>>748771647Then play something else faggot.
>>748766181Only souls game I've played is Dark Souls and the only runback I found annoying was Capra Demon
>>748774184I say this but you look like this.
>>748766181Runbacks are there to pad the time of the game you retard
>>748782370Most runbacks in ds1 are fine. O&S, Quelag, Iron Golem (if you found the secret). Taurus Demon. Even Gwynn. Problem with Capra Demon for me, is that when you're a new player the fight itself is decided in like 2 seconds. It's a semi-cheap gimmick with the one-way wall, so you basically have 2 seconds to assess the situation and try something, before failing and having to try again.So it's 2 seconds of a boss fight for every 5 minute runback. Minor complaint overall but I still didn't like it.
>>748785517Not Seath?
>>748786053Nah. The clams are tedious, sure, but I've only ever lost to seath like twice after screwing up the tail cut on a challenge run. But I can see how it might be frustrating if you were having trouble. Really the issue for me is that ambush dynamic. Even wheh losing the seath fight, at least you get a fair chance to see the boss and learn from the failure.
>>748766181>The point of runbacks in Souls games is to increase the stakes of a boss fight and give you a thrill.true>If you find runbacks annoying and tedious, it's because you suck. and then you went full retard.
>>748786338Seath himself was easy for me too, but even just the couple of times I ran to him were enough to dislike his runback. It's mostly the length + that one final invisible stretch
runback elitism is cringe.
