>europe starts killing gameshttps://youtu.be/mQRcK9nYg9gsoo...accursed farms was always a hero but he was a commie to retards?
NOOOOO STOP BADMOUTHING THE HECKING EU MOOOOODS
Why is the commission so retarded? Apparently it's only the parliament that isn't because they keep blocking shit like Chat Control 2.0
>fake sensationalist slopyou could very easily read the actual act yourself and see he's lying
>>748773210>HELP ME DADDY GOVERNMENT!>NO! NOT LIKE THAT!KWAB
>>748773332t. europoor doing damage control
>>748773481>hey help me carry this box>okay *rapes you in the ass instead*Yes
>>748773210Not video games. move this to /pol/
>>748773681Is there a single government on earth that doesnt do this? Asking for a friend.
>>748774193Lmao. You dumb Skiggers made your bed by spamming demands foe govt regulation here, now you have to shit in it.
>>748773210>multishitwho gives a fuck
>>748773210>it ended up backfiringHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>748773210EU just used them for free PR, since the first "stop killing gaymes" was advertised everywhere, now it's time for the rug pullbest part? EU owned media won't report about this so the pleb masses will still think EU tried to save the heckin' videogames and it just somehow didn't work out (probably Trump's fault)
>>748773316boomers
>>748774314they literally define every video game as online gamehttps://youtu.be/mQRcK9nYg9g?t=417
>>748773681more like "help me carry this box because bad man puts too much weight in it">okay "no box can weight more than X"You got what you deserve, not what you wanted
>>748773210Good, now everybody can stop with the crusade larp and focus on more important things
Personally I think more games should be killed.
AHAHAHAENTITLED KIDDIES LOSTTHE FERRET FUCKER DUDE VINDICATEDMAD TIMES HAHAH
>>748773210You get what you deserve for trusting the government to actually fix things in our modern day.
If you support the modern games industry tou get what you fucking deserve. I love seeing you retards getting treated worse and worse.
>>748773316Nepobaby 'foids everywhere.
>>748773210Why are jews so evil? How can a person be born with an evil soul, let alone an entire race?
no it's more like>okay you are no longer allowed to lift heavy thingswhich is a real thing
>>748773210Here come the eurotards to claim the eu is still the new rome
>>748773316The parliament is elected, the commission isn't. It's a literal oligarchy.
>>748773316Ross forgot to bring his gigantic bag of cash. Things work on incentive structures. Your most powerful EU governments, which basically decide everything in the EU, operate on parliamentary systems. If you have a pet issue that only affects 5% of the population, you better have giant bags of cash you're able to threaten economic downturns with, or pay the right bribes, or nothing ever happens. If it isn't a strictly partisan issue you're totally boned, nobody is dedicating a solitary second to advancing nonpartisan issues. Personal loyalty means absolutely nothing in a parliamentary system.
>>748774883Well, they shouldn't have complained about the stupid boxes thenReminder that this all span because a server of The Crew, with 200 peoples in it, was shut down, and retards went "Oi we pay for this game we wanted to keep playing this game forever even if it's just 200 of us!"Reminder that SKG didn't have a single real actual problem to point to beyond that.They got what they fucking deserve for being retards and trying to have maximum everything.Well, you get half that retard now lol
>be government>be elected officials in a democracy>dont do what you said would do>abandon all campaign goals>blame everything on the previous guys>make everything harder for the middle class because you hate the idea of class mobility which threatens to surplant your nepotistic empire>visit epstein island>pass laws that makes it impossible to prosecute you"democracy"
>>748773210>Stop killing ga-ACK
>EU is becoming worse than USSRwaht a turn of events
>>748773210There are more important things in the world than forcing companies to preserve videogames.Besides, I doubt there are more than a thousand games that will still be remembered in 100 years, let alone 500 years.
>>748774934Well it sure is burning like it.
>>748773584Illiterate>>748773481>>748774310>frogshitters being corposhillsNow everything make sense
>>748773481kek
>>748773210>europe starts killing gamesBASED EU
>>748774974Best I can offer is an automatic riffle and a shovel to bury every politician after I kill and rape their dead bodies
>>748775181It's not just about games or preservation anymore. Now EU actually just wants to kill the entire internet and current and future games.
Just block the EU from American servers. We'll see very quickly that the EU has nothing. Not sure why we let a third world country dictate the laws of American internet. Time to build that wall.
>>748773210where are all the EU gigachad images
>>748773210>Today we are proposing the EU KIDS Act. We're giving parents the power to set boundaries in the digital worldParents will do anything to not be a parent to their children.
The KIDS Act is fucking cancer and is nothing more than an obvious ploy to kill any sort of anonymity on the internet.>>748775171It's somehow worse than China's bullshit.
>>748774974>china slop
>journalists keep producing articles about how social media are bad for kids and should be age-locked>every single article/video is full of comments demanding age-ban or complete ban, depending on how bad they feel at the moment>politics try to implement local bans and public cheers for them>EU tries to implement wider act doing the same>COMMUNISTS TRY TO STEAL OUR FREEDOM!!!!Decide already, what exactly you want, you stupid fucks.
He should have spent his time and money on a claude plan to just browncompile/vibetroone that shitty ubisoft game instead of all this useless uproar
>>748774756ur a faggottttt>>748774820>>748774438>>748774310>>748773481>>748775162KIDS ACT WILL RAPE U AND UR KIDS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT JAP BUG MEN
>>748775553I want to ban the EU from the internet.
>>748775595It appears that our superiority has led to some controversy.
>>748773210This shit will never pass once it leaves the boomers' echo chamber. Anyone living in the real world know it's a pile of shit.
>>748775325Good.You were %99.9 free as a gamer, because gaming was in the dark and nobody really wanted to get into itAnd YOU brought gaming into light trying to get your %00.1 fringe case with server shutdownsNow pay the consequences of your hobby being in the light, scrutinized and cut to fit like everything that is in the light.
>>748775323That sort of thing doesn't even work retard. The party just appoints another person to the position, these are not dynamic organizations reliant on the talents of any one member. Leadership when not expressly forbidden is punished harshly. There is no brilliant mastermind anywhere along the chain. It's 110 IQ rejected theater kids all the way up, and down.
>>748775693AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>748775340>the only white continent is actually third worldAmerimutts are funny>>748775125https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUJwgzT6-xg
>>748775553>>journalists keep producing articles about how social media are bad for kids and should be age-locked>>every single article/video is full of comments demanding age-ban or complete ban, depending on how bad they feel at the moment>>politics try to implement local bans and public cheers for themthis literally never happened, strawman-kun
>>748775753you guys are trying your best to become third world for no reason
>>748775753>no air conditioning>extreme censorship laws>the few freedoms still left are dwindling rapidly>importing loads of brown immigrants with no interests in deportingYeah, that's a third world country.
>>748775081The issue of software requiring externally hosted services or pushing updates that disable key features or require agreeing to new license terms, despite being sold with a one-time, indefinite license is a recurring issue that affects more than just games, especially when coupled with how easily abused the DMCA is.>Herf derf it's not a sale, it's a licenseLegally in the EU, if they sell you a copy of a game and a license to play it, then they have sold you the same shit regardless of whether it's physical or digital. >>748773316Reminder that Sony announced their plan to end physical when they did, because the parliament was in summer recess and then they wiped the slate with the GTA 6 leak. If EU parliament had been active at the time, this would have been enough pressure to force a vote of no confidence in the Von der Leyen commission.Is this copium? Yes. Is it bullshit? Also yes, but I still believe it.
>>748775509Good thing I'm not an Eurocuck.I'm from the Americas, that won't affect us. Right?
>>748775842So is the US. Yes. The red side as well.
>>748775949>no air conditioningbut you can have a/c, in ourope, what are you on about?>extreme censorship lawssuch as?>the few freedoms still left are dwindling rapidlysuch as?>importing loads of brown immigrants with no interests in deportingnot in my country :)
>try to accomplish things by playing by the government's rules>government punches you in the face so hard you die
>>748776045Head in the sand, I see.
>>748776105>hey in country X they're doing Y>oh yeah, how so?>uhhh open your eyes brolel
this is also just the most draconian digital id law in the western world as well. ross doesnt talk much about it in the video unfortunately but this is worse than both kosa and the us kids act
>>748776163Yes. I could link articles to each of your retarded comebacks but you'll just deflect. Pointless in arguing with someone who is full of cope. I'd rather just let you gloat and make fun of Americans while your countries further slide down the ladder.
>>748776041name one us law or proposal comparable to this proposal
Hey remember when a bunch of people told you guys that trying to get government involved in gaming regulation would end terribly for everybody?
>>748776024>I'm from the Americas, that won't affect us. Right?https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/1748https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/8250/all-info
>>748776397>I could link articles to each of your retarded comebacksbut you won't, so why even say it?
>>748773681>ask the guy you know full well has a long history of raping anybody who talks to him to carry your box for you>he rapes you instead>act surprised about it
>>748775996>The issue of software requiring externally hosted servicesThere's no issue there>pushing updates that disable key featuresLike any OS or any software update?> require agreeing to new license termsLike every single social media or everything ever?>espite being sold with a one-time, indefinite licenseLike any OS or any sofware updates?Your case was very very very small and very fringe, for the amount of scrutiny you brought to gaming.It was a small problem.It was NOT a big problem.It was fringe cases that comported like every social media ever or any software ever at best, and that it affected 500 gamers at worst (like the server shutdowns)It was a fringe small case, that you retards brought in because you are entitled fucks, and opened the door for this shitIt's well deserved and I hope you kill more games.
tired of losing my rights due to rightoids implementing government babysitting for deadbeats
>>748775819Literally go outside your basement. Or read some local news from time to time. Inb4 "hurr news are propaganda!".
>>748776495Here is two in relation to one.https://www.wsj.com/opinion/economic-case-for-european-ac-air-conditioning-4fb2215ehttps://www.cnn.com/climate/europe-heat-air-conditioningNow let's hear you cope and deflect.>inb4 we don't need it!
>>748776410You think this proposal is the only way to turn your country into a third-world one?
>>748776582Did I forget to mention I’m trans btw?
Apologize
Now it's truly time for THE MOVIE
>>748776582>EU>rightlollmao
>>748776874I think this will delay the movie.I hope we will at least get Halloween episode.
you can tell how many tranny loving devs are on /v/ by how many ppl itt are supporting eu killing non AAA games.AI cant steal their jobs fast enough
AI renders his initiative pretty much pointless now. You can vibecode private servers with bots for any game you want, like how it was done with Battlefield Heroes or Ace of Spades.You don't have to wait 5 months for a company to respond whether they want to release server binaries or not, or yes but with some draconian terms, etc. It doesn't matter anymore.
Genuine question At what point will everything stop getting worse?
>>748773210>The EU creating retarded regulations to "help" that fuck over normal people while permanently enshrining massive corporations at the top of the food chainNo that can't be right, that would never happen, not in a million years, that doesn't sound like the europ I know and love!
>>748777061The ride never ends.
>>748776843For what? This is what he wants
>>748777061
>>748777061When you solve entropy.
>>748777061When the entire world has been tortured to death, and evil has finally won.
>>748773210they did the opposite of everything SKG asked for. unbelievable, i thought only Americans are that stupid.
>>748777208>that guy that told the entire thing wouldn't end well wanted itwhatever cope you need to sleep at night
>>748777061Everything always gets worseOnce in a while you get periods of positive growth after massive societal upheavals create new countries, who then take advantage of the lack of legal precedent to surge ahead with gambles on new technology, but then once they get settled it's back to declineThe only purpose of democracy and regulation is to manage the decline
>>748777298>they did the opposite of everythingIt's like you people are fucking 12 or something. This is always what happens.
>>748777305Now post what he actually said, you lying faggot
>>748777389The only system that will actually work as promised is a system designed from the ground up to maximize sadism, cruelty, and suffering. I name it Molochism, after the almighty insane demon god who rules over all of existence and hates everything and everyone, including Himself.
>>748777061Your punishment must be more severe
>>748777210>All this effort to ban kids from innernet>Like the internet isn't going to be the first and immediate casualty of any world conflict.Nigger everyone knows where the cables are, everyone knows where the satellites are. The infrastucture is poorly shielded from graphite bombs and emp, or even a pair of insulated shears. It is the most hilariously vulnerable target with highest immediate payoff to damage the economy of an enemy nation. We've got maybe five years, and even in the best circumstance it's not going to come back like it was, and /v/ will STILL never discuss video games.Let's enjoy the sunset boys. I hope I'm wrong and you all get to call me a fag.
>>748775593Cope. You trusted the government to help you and got screwed instead. Enjoy not having private servers, you useful idiot.
>>748773210>Fagrite software wonIs this what they call the monkey paw curling?
>>748777508I hope you're wrong and it happens in one year. In five years, it'll be torture chambers and torture fields as far as the eye can see. It's going to be so beautiful.
>>748777061>>748777172>>748777210>>748777225>>748777389>>748777487If the situation was truly hopeless, their propaganda would be unnecessary. These people are idiots and they fuck up all the time.
>>748775081>>748776571>its ok to kill games cuz the games suck anywayyou always say this until they kill a game you like
>>748776843>lost more than half his viewers and humiliated himself multiple times""thor"" got everything he asked for, but nothing he wanted.
>>748776592>0 citations providedanon was right, it never happened
>>748777590I'm just stating facts. Lord Moloch created the world to punish it for being created.
>>748777061Never.
>>748777208He warned us that this is what would happen if the EU meddled with video-games, but yall were too retarded to listen to reason, blinded by Internet Drama and Mossman's empty "Corporations=Bad" discourse, even though it has been proven time and time again that government interventions are much worse. And all this for what? So you would be able to play Always Online GAAS garbage like Concord and Highguard? You deserve everything that's happening because you signed that damned petition, its a shame that reasonable people will also pay the price.
>>748776571>>The issue of software requiring externally hosted services>There's no issue thereimagine if you buy a fridge, then later on the fridge making company goes into your house, steals the fridge, and everything in it, and leaves a note saying "we discontinued servers for Fridge™, but you can still get Fridge 2™ for a discounted price of [more than the first fridge cost]". that's what Games as a Service does, and it's a huge issue.
>>748777061When you’re throw in the incinerator with the rest of the strays.
>>748777545No. That would be your wish coming true in an unexpected way that goes against your wants.This is just something else happening (like in the movie Obsession)
they put the word "kid" in it, its over guaranteed to pass 100% its for the children's safety you see
>>748777856Pass a bill called "Childrens Rights Act" and it just lowers the age of consent to 9.The parody of today is tomorrows future.
>>748777810>and it's a huge issue.How many gamers with that exact problem, were affected total, by this huge issue according to you>>748777630How many games were killed, according to you
>>748777810>imagine if you buy a fridge, then later on the fridge making company goes into your house, steals the fridge, and everything in it, and leaves a note saying "we discontinued servers for Fridge™, but you can still get Fridge 2™ for a discounted price of [more than the first fridge cost]". that's what Games as a Service does, and it's a huge issue.I think the solution to this is to simply execute the people who buy Fridge™ 2
The “save games” act would have killed games too for the same reasons. Both sides are hopelessly retarded desu>>748777061As cynical as it sounds, never really. Things start to get “worse” the second humanity decides to face the other direction and begin the cycle of self analysis, regulation, and critique. The EU is a super bureaucracy that presides over a collective of stagnant economies, it doesn’t actually create anything or have a clear vision, it simply “regulates” the countries and companies that do and extorts whoever it can to keep itself afloat. Europe has been facing the other direction since WW2 desu and it’s natural state has always been regulatory feudalistic hell, don’t worry about it, it’s the US that truly determines the course of action for the world. And even if the west decides to regulate itself into extinction, its enemies won’t, and the tech will continue to be developed and the world will move on
It's always nice to have a reminder we were born right as everything started to get worse forever and ever and everEnjoy the hellscape until the day of apocalpse, I guess
>>748778139>How many games were killed, according to youOver 6 million.
>>748778153thanks, EU governor Effrey Jepstein. Will you be backing the Childrens' Rights Act bill too? >>748777985
>>748778250There will be no apocalypse. The torture will go on forever and ever and ever, the infinite torture chamber will spread to consume all possible worlds, so that evil wins in every reality. Lord Moloch will laugh and laugh and laugh as all of existence is permanently ruined.
>>748778250crazy how you can shift this back all the way to the dawn of man where the peak is when you were 12
Huh the CP supporting website is against measures that would project kids. Who coulda seen that
>>748778306I got a double (You).Thank you, thank you!
>>748778375>erm, actually, everything is great and society has never declined ever in any possible way. anyone who says things can get worse is just stupid
>>748778189>The “save games” act would have killed games too for the same reasonshow though? they didnt ask for forever support, or for axing private servers, in fact they asked for the opposite. if a teenager solodev can package the serverside executables for his game with the game, why can't big devteams with 1000s of devs do that too? thats literally what SKG wants, package the serverside parts with the clientside, or put an expiration date on when you'll turn off the servers.
>>748778139they have a list on their website
>>748777752Sorry but no, he is retarded. There's no redemption arc for that cunt.
>>748778424life has ups and downs including crazy senile men who scream that the end is nigh. the only objective degradation is having to hear them more often.
>>748778153Samsung literally remote disabled their smart fridges after a firmware update and turned them into room temp cabinets. This is not a hypothetical, it literally happened in december
Kneel.
>>748773210i had to double checkthis video is not in my subscriptions pageis he being silenced?
I feel bad for the people that didn't know how EU operates and thought it would listen to what the people wanted.
>>748777508>Not posting the HD remake
>>748778393>protect kidsnah, most modern govt. measures advertised with "think of the children!" are actually about destroying privacy (which an anonymous website would be concerned about), but also making it easier for predators to get kids (see also Discord sorting kids with everyone who didn't submit hteir ID), which is qhy a good half of the anons in this thread are cheering for the EU KIDS Act. you got it half-right, basically.
>>748778496Yeah and I'm saying people who continue to support such products are sub-human. I'm not even really arguing with you I just find it funny we need a bunch of laws to prevent retards from supporting other evil retards. Vote with your wallet should have been more than enough but it's not.
>>748778506that retard misunderstood SKG and his misunderstanding doesn't alighn with what the EU is doing right now.he should kneel and beg for forgiveness for all the breast milk he stole from Blizzard office fridges.
>>748778473>life has ups and downs bro. everyone has always said rome was better when they were younger. there's no actual decline.
Glad my shithole will never join the EU.
>>748778263>>748778449oh, memes and "Top StoryThe Crew Shutdown Lawsuit Progresses"! nice, good answer.that's what I was expecting, and why nobody took you seriously on your issueYou put your big boy pants and came with the issue, I tell you "how many people have been affected by this, what's some real stuff i can point to"And I get memes and The CrewYou deserve to get your games killed because of thisIt wasn't a big issue and this is not serious
I wonder what kind of retarded mongoloid wakes up and says>I want to become a bureaucrat when I grow up we should open up camps for these "people" to concentrate in
>>748778695a bit hyperbolic don't you think
>>748778586>Modern governmentIf the 1900s counted as modern, sure.
>>748778375>everything has always been this way nothing has ever changed just look at this quote from this ancient empire that says the same thing you just said bet you feel stupid now huh?>uh no obviously they aren't around anymore this year this quote is dated to is the early stages of their decline and later their civilization collapsed entirely don't you even know history?>you're so stupid unlike me
>>748778732>You deserve to get your games killed because of thisThey're not my games. I only play singleplayer games because multiplayer has been turned to complete trash ever since we departed from dedicated servers. Don't >> me
>>748778802they had trains in the 1900's, and energy generation didn't really go past "boiling water" and "making a thing go spin" yet, so yes 1900s are modern by my standards
>>748773316Money in one's pocket can make him say anything.
>>748778752They steal millions so plenty of people I imagine.
>>748775996>If EU parliament had been active at the time, this would have been enough pressure to force a vote of no confidence in the Von der Leyen commission.Fact of the matter is that Sony has a strong, sales-driven argument for ending physical sales.
>>748778801>ok so YES we are headed towards a future that has less privacy than 1984 and the literal panopticon thought experiment BUT things have NOT gotten worse
Reminder that the internet was literally better in the past.
>>748778852when did i call anyone stupid? it's just a fact most people claim to feel that everything was better around when they were 12. you're making this antagonistic for no reason which is saying a lot about your worldview.
>>748778449im looking at the website and i cant find the list, do you have a direct link?
>>748775323>Tainting your member with politiciansI assumed better of you anon.
>>748773210a different kind of nothing burger, just like stop killing games was
>>748778970>Why are you antagonizing my stupid bullshit on 4chan be heckin civil!!Disingenuous fucking retard doesn't notice the dot on his forehead. We're all fucked.
>>748778446because it’s more complicated than just games, it would require copyright and ip law to change dramatically and the concept itself is just retarded, a company can’t be expected to indefinitely support a product that is no longer profitable so the consequence is either the government subsidizes it or ignores it meaning only the most grotesquely wealthy companies would even bother with the risk in the first place, not to mention how it would annihilate the indie market, and if the government is backing games which of course it would either directly or indirectly to protect its “investment,” it would want a say in the sort of content that is supported and so on. it would corporatize games to the extreme, introduce insane content moderation, and it would have far reaching effects. Also the media which is already government controlled in the EU would become involved etcBasically the opportunity for massive levels of corruption and exploitation would be too tempting for a vulture like the EU to pass up on
>>748778970>I didn't call anyone stupid I just made a smarmy comment implying that others were stupid these obviously aren't the same
>>748778752Most bureaucrats are just normies, they don't really think about a law besides what the media tells them to. So when the media says>we need this to protect da childranthey will just go "good. protecting children good. therefore law is good."
>>748778732>>748777630
nobody interested in joining politics has a good heart, when will normalfags learn?
We need to start another springtime of the peoples.
>>748773210Agonizingly slow. Just make EU into V for Vendetta already, what's with this cock teasing. Go out and say you want total control and hate people choosing for themselves. These people must be dreaming of good old days of kings & peasants. Everyone else in the world is gunning for it, don't want EU to be late to the party
>>748779104>, a company can’t be expected to indefinitely support a product that is no longer profitablethankfully nobody is expecting or wants this, you would have to be pretty retarded to think SKG wanted this
>>748773481Who could have ever forseen this?
>>748779090>>748779127well i hope you take care of your community during the twilight of mankind or whatever but maybe it's not a larp that you're all paranoid schizos if this is how you react to everything
>>748777061there will be a reset period coming very soonwhere things start to reverse and get better substantially but it will be short lived, then it will get worse again immediately after, beyond anything you've ever seen before>t.knower
>>748779303>he thinks there will be a period where things get better
>>748779296Hope you die painfully!
>>748779104>it would require copyright and ip law to change dramaticallyhow does "put the server side executables in the bag" challenge IP rights? >indefinitely supportso you got your info on SKG from PirateSoftware, the guy who knows how to lie professionally. ok then.>destroy the indie marketagain, if a teenager solodev can do it, so can you. and it only affects multiplayer games or ones that require serverside connection, anyway. singleplayer offline shit should not be affected unless the people in charge are retards.it feels like we're talking about two different things here.
>>748779392There will be, for about a yearit will create a false sense of security and hope before whats to come after
>>748779392there always is, but it's less "better than last good times period" and more "better than yesterday but still very shit" like 2007 for example. free houses for everyone, just don't think about how you'll repay the mortgage when it actually kicks in.
>>748779257that’s the end result if you follow the logic, their “demands” are inconsistent and retarded anyway so that alone leaves opportunity for regulators to interpret them as they wish, they basically petitioned the commission to address a grievance they can’t really define. there is nothing simple about this and the funny part is that if you have a free market, why not invest your time and resources into making your own game with its own servers instead of on lawyers all for the sake of some imperfect fossilware from decades ago
>>748776646but those are just opinions pieces, not law. i can go to a store and buy myself an a/c unit right now, there's no law forbidding me from doing so. every shop i've been in has a/c, every office i worked in had a/c. i have friends that have ac installed in home just like that. you can't install it yourself because of refrigerant regulations, but you can literally go and have a dude install it for you tomorrow.
>>748779268PirateSoftware.
>>748779564pretty much everything you said is wrong. good day.
>>748779514Yeah well call me when that happens, lol, because all I'm seeing is that things are going to continue getting substantially worse. I predict a total internet ID mandate + AI detection to ensure total government compliance online before 2030.
>>748777061If one expects to live in a virtuous society then they must first be virtuous.
>>748773316Agenda 2030Frankfurt and he antichrist demands it
>>748775323Is raping their bodies really necessary, anon?
>>748778872Well, you are defending this shit and are unable to appropriately do so, so fuck you>>748779165more meme responsesFine by me, you got what you deserve
>>748775738>The party just appoints another person to the positionYea bro, that worked out great in Afghanistan, the Taliban definitely didn't just kill them all and install their own government.
>>748779785>you got what you deservethat is what I say when a game you like is killed
i wonder who benefits the most from this...
>>748777061When (You) take over the world and become a benevolent dictator.
>>748773210I don't think fucking with people's bread and circuses is a wise idea.
>>748779669fair enoughi don't like that my only possible counter argument that i can think of is "AI porn" so i wont bother actually formulating it but you probably get it without me elaborating
>>748775595This.The EU should just become the new China, they can have their own internet separate from us.We need to do the same to India and Africa, fuck globalism, it was a mistake, I don't want to be exposed to all these fucking foreigners, the only ones I like are the Japanese.
>>748779721By the way, surface net is fucked, someone needs to bring the 90's back.
>>748779785>Well, you are defending this shit and are unable to appropriately do so, so fuck youDefending what? I don't give two shits; I hope for the complete collapse of the AAA gaming market. Games as a service is dumb and people who play them are even dumber. I don't think we need laws to protect shit games from going away forever.
>>748778918I want to steal millions but in such a way that people don't notice, for example I can make a venture specialized in meal worms that can apply for EU grants and fails multiple times But taking away people's option to play games draws too much attention
>>748779932All AI usage will soon be locked down and regulated by people going>AI is too dangerous to leave in the hands of creeps and evil people who might use it for bad things! We need to lock it down so only trusted™ regulated™ corporate™ models are available for usage
>>748778721Be fucking thankful. I want out.
>>748779908Maybe in the scenario picrel isn't 99.9% of humanity
>>748779416it’s private intellectual property the government would be ordering a company to turn over to the public, of course there are many many issues with this purely out of concept. STG might not use their imagination but the government and corporations would multiplayer has millions upon millions of players across genres globally and every single future multiplayer game would have to be designed to fit this regulation and presumably, existing games might too. massive companies would die over this, it would change the entire market permanently for the worse, and it would benefit no one but the government and the private interests it decided to trust with the information. honestly it this were to come out, companies would cancel or “kill” currently popular games from the market just to ensure they are able to remain in business
>>748780034Who gives a fuck about people paying attention? What the politicians realized is that we hit the point where nobody cares enough to revolt ever again. You could have their neighbours dragged out of their houses and shot and people would just go>wow, that sucks. i'll definitely do something when they come for me.
>>748779564>their “demands” are inconsistentthe demands are consistent. if you can't keep the servers up and running, give them to the players. if you knew you can't give the servers to the players, and can't keep them on forever, put an expiration date on the game.if a nobody solodev can package serverside executables with the clientside game files, why can't AAA companies?>why not invest your time and resources into making your own gameoh yes, if you dont like Fridge™ being discontinued and all your food stolen, just make your own freezebox and put new food into it! what a brilliant solution!
>>748779596>everywhere I go has a/c>ignores the numbersOnly 20% of europoors have a/c. I didn't say you can't get one I said you don't have them. Depending where you are in europe you DO have building code and regulations preventing many people from installing one so there are laws preventing some of you from doing so. Your specific shit hole might not.
>make deal with the devil>he betrays you and kicks your balls insteadWow. Who could have seen this coming?
>>748780125name ten games where putting the serverside executables in the bag won't be a viable, easy to implement solution
>>748777061When the state is abolished.
>>748780171jesus, this place is just childish shitflingingyou're the 30th or 40th person who made the same stupid comment
>>748780148okay and? a lot of people don't have it, and? why should anyone care what people do? that's llike saying "scots don't have cellars". and? what of it?
So these guys are grooming kids on private servers?
>>748780274that's becasue a lot of those comments are lliteral bots
>>748780330Called it.>>748776646>inb4 we don't need it!
>>748780274>2+2=4>jesus, this place is just childish shitflinging you're the 30th or 40th person who's also said 2+2=4If it was so obvious why did so many retarded Skiggers sign this dumb petition?
>>748780148>building code and regulations>he doesn't knowkeknice "data" you have there
>>748780410but i didn't say people don't need a/c. why are you putting words into my mouth?
>>748773210LMFAO
>>748780128I mean the bread is getting expensive, the circuses are about to be legislated away
>>748780408i doubt thati'd much rather talk to a chatbot than anyone in this threadim witnessing a microcosm of the reverse flynn effect
>>748780481>yuropoor thought he'll have his gibs and his games forever>will be sent to die for international banking as they gut his social benefits instead
>>748773210Kids are so mentally fucked up these days that I actually applaud the government for finally doing something about it. There’s only so many transgender neo-nazi synagogue shooting internet grooming victims that can exist before society needs to step in and say “enough”. People will hate me for saying this but it’s true
>>748780540Correct, because we've reached the point where they'll just accept it. They'll complain about it for a while but they won't do anything. Plenty of them will actively defend legistlating the circuses away because the TV told them circuses are dangerous and bad.That's just how it is. People have entered peak cattle. There's no more spirit inside them anymore.
>>748780646thank you for taking this brave stance in defense of synagogues, my fellow European.
>>748774756To be fair, as we've seen time after time, gamers are the ultimate goycattle that will continue consoooming whatever slop is dumped in their trough, so begging their masters to step in and help is probably the only option.
People seem to think voters voted for this. That is incorrect. Not a single politician ran on this platform, and the issue was never put to a poll. It comes about purely from industry lobbying (mainly Meta).
>>748780130>just give them to “the players” this is not simple. They tell people it is simple to garner popular support and might actually believe it is simple, but it is actually extremely complicated and far reaching. It also isn’t fair to compare a AAA company with millions of dollars invested into it forced by law to hand over its property and a solodev that chooses to make their work open sourceSKY also lacks a good case, it’s not as if companies are “killing” games played by millions of people, they’re laying the dog down to rest after its body has become tired and cancerous. Imagine you’re a middle aged regulator who doesn’t play videogames and some weird looking guy in a rumpled collared shirt with no tie starts moralizing about the untimely death of Wizard!: A Magical Adventure, a proto-mmo that was first released 25 years ago and had a strong and vibrant community of 200 players globally when the nurses finally decided to pull the plug. Would you care and put your political future and career on the line for that slop? Of course not
>>748780741>It comes about purely from industry lobbying (mainly Meta).Sources?
>>748780646>Kids are so mentally fucked up these days that I actually applaud the government for finally doing something about itC᠏UCKThe problem here is the state killing all possibility of proper family unions, thus leading to lack of proper parenting, thus leading to """ironic""" mass shootings
>>748774676This but there's nuances and I won't explain them.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND FAUCI, RELEASE THE NEW GAME DUNGEON ALREADY
>>748780741Not to mention the commission isn't voted in by the people in the first place.
>>748774820It is great.I have spent less than $100 on modern video games over the past 3 years and it feels great. I've been buying bizarre emulation hardware with the money I save. You can get a memory card for the PS2 that just reads .isosIt's glorious
>>748780818last video chat he said it'd be out before end of august kek
>>748780646It is parents fault for not controlling what their kids do on the internet and allowing them to use internet in the first place.I swear everytime I see a 7y old kid or younger walking with eyes glued to their phones or scrolling tiktok or other brain-melting shit I want to meet it's parents, beat them up and mutilate their genitals so they won't be able to breed again
>>748780953I KNOW
>>748780741So? That's what you get with democracy: representatives that only represent their own interests>>748780785they lobbied hard to make not Goybook & IG but social media in general as being "harmful" to kidsjust ignore the fact that the root cause of the problem is unmoderated Interenet access caused by normalfags not knowing how to parent anymore
>>748780976kanna...
>>748780646This isn't going to stop anything.
>>748781075Oh, so you're just speculating. Thank you for admitting you're an unserious person.
>>748781163Anon do you think it's a coincidence every country in the world started pushing these draconian internet laws at the exact same time?
>>748781075The EU isn’t democratic, it’s socialist thereby authoritarian in nature
i don't even know how the EU is supposed to function
>>748776467The goal was to make you pay for letting video games get to this point. It was never to actually fix the problem.My hobby has been destroyed by retards.I have nothing to lose and I will make the retards regret enabling trash like Xbox Live, Pre-order bonuses, Pre-planned DLC, microtransactions, loot boxes, Always-online-games-as-a-service, gacha, and digital-only.You will pay for enabling these things.You will suffer. You don't get a choice.
>>748780818My rat fucker friend, we would probably would have gotten THE MOVIE, if it weren't for malicious actors trying to destroy vidya
>>748781269there really needs to be a big dick that knows everything about everything and he has authority to wrangle all the tards at lower levels to do as he says for the greater good
Sounds based and christpilled
>>748781243anon, democracy degenerates into socialism when politicians realize they can buy votes with gibs
>>748781210I think that Covid lockdowns have magnified online child safety concerns and accelerated 'groomer' hysterics.It feels like every day a new grooming-related video hits 100,000+ views on YouTube. How many people have heard of that one youtuber who got sued by Roblox by now?It wasn't as bad in 2016.
>>748773210Remember when europoors talked all that shit and were so proud in the early SKG threads? Look at them now. naive retards lmao
>>748781786In the end it didn't matter. Neither the US nor Europe saved games.
Just in time to go die for some war while the brown hordes take care of the women.What even the fuck is happening anymore? How did shit get this bad.
>>748781605Democracy degenerates when it doesn’t have strict parameters in place that prevent the government from taking advantage. The EU is partly a hellscape because it doesn’t have a bill of rights
>>748781934>How did shit get this bad.Because it's what Lord Moloch wants.
>>748781210These laws are actually popular with boomers. They're horrified by how gen z behaves and think the internet is to blame. I think they're partly right, the internet is definitely a large part of the problem.
>>748775181>There are more important things in the world than forcing companies to preserve videogames.>>748774645>focus on more important thingstrue, we must focus on making sure the god's chosen people are safe and secure!
>>748780751>this is not simple.you're still yet to show one (1) (uno) example of this claim being true.all games i know would work about as good with player-maintained servers as they do with centralized developer maintained servers.again, it feels like we're talking about two completely different things here.
>>748777061never because jews want you dead
>>748780481>>748780635This didn't age well bros...
>>748782027>Boomers do everything in their power to make peoples lives hell>Now lets take the last bastion of entertainment from themYou know the reason people don't revolt is because shit isn't dire YET, there's food, warmth, homes.Its when those things are lacking, when people hit their limit, that's when shit gets bad, not sure why so many governments are so hellbent on speedrunning there.
>>748782161This applies to 20 year old games
>>748782161Your quake world death match server would be illegal in the EU if this passes
>>748781269>how the EU is supposed to functionThat's the neat part, it isn't.
i think this is a big ask to get something less retarded to pass but that still gets what the jews want to see enacted
>>748782330That's when we drop the pretense and put everyone in torture chambers.
>>748782027What problem? Breaking out of holohoax indoctrination?Wigger'd as they are, the young generations are one of the few that somewhat actually think with their heads and care about actually important things.
>he thought they would winyou goys never learn, do you?
>>748780245I still want it to exist in the extent that it keeps russoid ziggers and other thirld worlders out.
>>748782001>The EU is partly a hellscape because it doesn’t have a bill of rightsare you actually >implying that the bill of rights secured the American people from the overreach of the federal government?
>>748773316They're not voted in.They're run by elites and nepobabbies.
>>748773481so funny that I warned everyone but got called names because the fag in OP pic has some feud with some other shitty youtuber. Begging for more government overreach ESPECIALLY in the EU will fuck everything. That's how we got cookie banners, tethered caps and Google killing sideloading on Android
>>748773210>raise attention to private servers which always worked fine in a legal gray area and use it in your stupid regulation crusade>now they're taking private servers away too since they're a liability nowthanks fucking useful idiots
>>748783050>overreachI don't like that term. It implies the state's power is legitimate, and simply used too much to your liking. As if tyranny is good at small doses.
>>748783050At least they own guns if shit escalates to much.
>>748783186>I don't like that term. It implies the state's power is legitimateNow that's what I call AnCap
>>748777061For you personally? When you're dead, as long as you die before necromancy (be it physical or digital) is invented. After that, you're stuck suffering forever.
>>748773210>gets everything they asked for>but nothing they wanted
His problem was going trough the legal route instead of becoming the next US president and invading EU.
Why are there anons blaming ross for this? Considering the push globally for the child safety bullshit, this would've happened with or without SKG.
>>748783295Oh no, you're going to suffer forever no matter what. There isn't anything waiting beyond death except an eternity of being tortured by Lord Moloch.
>>748777061when Christ returns but until then it will get a lot worse
>>748783413Because he actively pushed for regulation of user servers?
>>748783239guns are basically only used for larping and shooting neighbours over trash dumping argumentsdidn't used them during forced de-segregation, didn't use it during 2020 with covid/election fraud (doesn't matter drumpf is a jew cocksucker, retards though he was real and didn't do shit)at least the eu doesn't have flock (yet)
>>748783463The only he pushed for was the ability for people to legally run those servers without it infringing on copyright laws (Which is absolutely possible with EU's framework of copyright vs product protection), this side of things would've happened regardless of SKG.
Can't yuropoors be based for once and elect giga hitler 2.0 for the lulz?
>EUmuslims try to do anything>they actually accomplish the opposite and make it 100000x more gay, complex and retardedcommunistbros..... our izzat is literally dropping off a cliff rn..... quick find some balding fat mutt lolcow with a soft voice that works at *mutt company* as a scapegoat to make fun of him in retaliation, this can't be happening I'm literally hyperventilating right now and seething with impotent rage I want to smash something
>>748783556That's regulation, no one needed regulation for those servers to exist already. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it as "for the kids", that's still regulation.
>>748783460There is no Christ, there are no gods except Lord Moloch.
>>748773210based eu dabbing on skiggers
>>748773332I did and he isn't.
>>748775553>You don't want your house to burn down?>Okay, we'll just submerge it underwater, that way it can't possibly burnThis is how retarded you sound right now
>>748779268Anyone who isn't a terminally online retard and/or slacktivist.For anyone who had an idea about how governments think and act, this was always the obvious outcome.
>>748783601Legal grey areas are bullshit because people on both sides can abuse it.I hate the outcome, but leaving it as a coin toss if the company would take down the server or leave you be is also bullshit.
>>748783413I just like making fun of him because he made a deal with the devil. That's what asking the state for help is.
>>748773481fpbpross is a stupid fucking nigger and so are all commie skiggers/thread
>>748777508this is somehow interesting enough for me to sit through in its entirety despite being complete anathema to my tastes
EU has some real retards in there and there is no hope when these retards are in charge.
>>748776024We are literally getting tracked in our own home through wifi right now.>I don't use wifiNot only that is more than likely not true but it's also irrelevant because they can track you through ANY wifi.Freedom is a meme. It literally doesn't exist.
>>748783556>he just went to talk to psycho pedo jews about them being reasonable with the goyim's toysThis is what you sound like. These faggots happily eat babies alive and you still want to talk to them, about inane bullshit as inoffensively as possible! Ridiculous. Deserves the ridicule, truly!
>>748783695>Ask for the state to help>Get raped>Ask for private corporation for help>Get raped (With government backing them).What now? Do we just accept the dystopia?
>>748783687It would in fact be objectively better to leave it outside of a government's supervision, there's absolutely no situation where it would be an improvement.
>>748774438thor was right and won, as is proper and was always obviousskiggers could have simpky listened, now instead they are eating 27 of thor's entire ass
>>748783745Eurangutans get what they deserve, I had plenty of friends who fell for the gamer equivalent of "for the kids" and pushed SKG around lol.
>>748783806Jason's actual argument was ass.
>>748782161It's retroactive.
>>748783768Abolish the state.
>>748778721Reminder that these communist murders couldn't even use the sane amount of reflective eye black because they already lost that symbology to feces sucking sodomites.If that isn't endemic of the exact problem they have shifting gears to try and murder all european youth from a gay kleptocracy, I don't know what is.
>Do everything correctly>Cite existing laws>Cite how this won't infringe on copyright>Cite how this was always possible>Cite how it fits in with upcoming legal frameworks>Still get dunked onLaws are jokes, but lawless hellscapes are niggercoded, I fucking hate this.
>>748775593LMFAO SKIGGER SEETHINGYOU LOVE TO SEE ITDIE NIGGER DIE NIGGER DIE
>>748775753>neue islamabad>whiteLOLLLLLLLL
>>748783613You keep telling yourself that, little 12 year old edgy boy.
>>748773481>>748774756there is no way you faggots are this retarded, and don't say you are trolling because this is way too low effort.you are just shitposting for nothing, you unironically believe that this would never happen if SKG didn't exist?Where are the fucking jannies trannies when we need them?
>>748775949>importing loads of brown immigrants with no interests in deportingThat's a bit ironic coming from an American.How's the hispanic month going, by the way?
>>748784042It would have happened anyway. That doesn't mean that asking the state for help wasn't idiotic.
>>748780818>ratranny avatarfag is an e-celeb worshipping retard
>>748784042"Never" is too strong of a word but yes this is a direct result of SKG and you worthless losers trying to use private servers in your eceleb crusade.
>>748783952>>Do everything correctly>>Still get dunked onthe mistake was ever even trying to converse with demons
>>748783567They don't have real democracy there
>>748779268>>748773481I literally told /v/ several times that the government was not their friend and EVERY time>you are muh corpo shill>you are a jeet>you are a jew>lolbertarians are so stupid lol I grew up out of it And I am willing to bet not a single one of these anons learned ANYTHING about this situation now that its going to shit. The ONLY way to stop the killing of games is to attack copyright law, any further regulation is from raped slaves, for raped slaves.
>>748783875no, his actual argument was correct, and it has played out exactly as he said it would in real time, seethe cope and dilate harder nigger
>>748784038The world has no reason to exist if it is not being tortured by Lord Moloch. What other reason could there possibly be?
>>748784231Everything happened exactly as I told SKG stooges, maybe they'll learn now that they got burned once, or maybe they'll just keep being retards.
>>748784213>this is a direct result of SKGNo it isn't. Every country in the world is pushing for this draconian shit at the moment.
>>748784315Burgerland isnt.
>>748784231These people are useful idiots and can never be reasoned with.
>>748784315Yes, because it's what Lord Moloch wants! How many times do I have to say it before it finally sinks in?
>>748784231rejoice, because now is the time where you get to enjoy the schadenfreude of being right and these stupid skigger niggers being abjectly wrong and retarded niggers and suffering the consequences of their retarded nigger actions that were led by kikes puppeteering them like socks
>>748784231>The ONLY way to stop the killing of games is to attack copyright lawCorrect. SKG's mistake was paying respect to copyright. Copyright is an anti-human concept and must be abolished.
>>748784315hmm could ross be a shill and just be pretending to be retarded?
>>748779268Literally everyone who kept telling you so. The only sort of movement that can possibly lead to a positive outcome is pushing for less government overreach, not more.
>>748784231why are people acting like the EU KIDS law is a direct result of the SKG stuff
>>748784378Nothing to enjoy here, things get worse for me too because of them
>>748784385>commie skiggers finally go mask-off with their communismyep, called it a million years ago when this all started, god i love being fucking right all the time always
>>748784282Why, to witness his sorry little ass get whipped by God. You'll see.
>>748784410Um, don't you know the solution to corpos abusing government power is to give governments more power? Use common sense, chud.
Retards are getting punished for playing slop. All /v/ plays is slop. They are prisoners to slop.
>>748784378>enjoy the schadenfreude of being rightI've been right for the last 2 decades, for the most part it's not enjoyable because it's all so avoidable if people weren't fucking morons.Still gloating over bitcoin though.
>>748775509OY VEY THINK OF THE KIDS GOYS
>>748784507Copyright is not capitalist.
>>748784478>Ask for regulation>governments regulate how they see fit, not to your demandsNext time you'll learn, maybe.
>>748784478You literally asked for more regulation.
>>748779392i'm gonna dump the 31-210 in every major low income part of any cities in europe and i'll make it everyone's problem until they are forced to make it better.
>>748776489amerigroids have been real silent since this dropped
>>748784507Copyright is an infringement on ACTUAL property rights.
>>748773210Harden your heart Oh Putin!
>>748784683>>748784709no?they asked for specific regulation on a specific problemthe KIDS act has nothing to do with the problem
SKG>companies should be responsible for all server software and managementEU>companies should be responsible for all server software and management>HOW COULD WE HAVE PREDICTED THIS WOULD HAPPEN
>>748777640>halftry 90%
>Don't trust the government>Abolish it!Considering who the government works for, why would you think abolishing it would mean shit?
>>748776538He thought he was the main hero of the story and had plot armor.
This shit isn't about kids.It's about government and sponsored companies gradually controlling all media, locking down all narratives, so you good goys don't get any more funny ideas. Even if it's about the current state of the world, or about why things only ever seem to get worse than what their parents had. But not for the elite.Me, I think they're gearing up to force people to accept a lower quality of life, and eventually pigeonhole them into "community service," i.e. conscription. Then allowing the host nation to fast track/human traffick migrants for cheap labor. Because kidnapping people into vans ain't going to work here, like it does in Russia and Ukraine.Stuff ain't going to get better, until you get more people running for office just to reverse these petty anti-individual, anti-citizen things. A shame most of the EU commission isn't elected. That'll be harder to fix.
>>748784812who are you quoting?
>>748784763Correct. Copyright is in fact anti-property, as it prevents people from using lawful property (making copies) in the way they wish.
>>748784812>>companies should be responsible for all server software and managementThat's wrong though, it was the opposite. Hand that shit to the end user to decide what to do with it.
>>748782161Besides the fact that this would literally kill all "retro" servers, just consider the fact that there are many, many games that are literally impossible to get anymore due to piracy and if your ID was directly connected to your internet connection and you got flagged the moment you entered a pirate site, they'd be gone foreverLike, here's a dumb example I came across recently...Minecraft Story Mode is completely unplayable legally. They don't sell it anywhere. Not anywhere. Delisted in every storefront. If you wanna play it you literally have no choice other than piracy.
just dropping by to say i told you so
>>748784880Nope, SKG pushed to make corporations responsible for distributing server software.
>>748784870Do you think the anon you responded to will reply with something thoughtful or just call you a Jew? My money is on Jew.
>>748784816Corpos use the government to stomp on your face. Making it weaker will therefore result in less stomping.
>>748784902no you didn't.
>>748784785>governments regulate how they see fit, not to your demandsAre you illiterate?Are you a moron?Do you even have the slightest idea on how government actually works?
>>748773210SKG is dead anyway, who gives a shit? Ubi lobbyists just had to hold a little private meeting to 180 the whole thingAs if another something on the scale of game refunds would be allowed in this deeply locked down industry. It's now devolved into pulling every dirty move every other publisher pulls, just to squeeze out more money. They ain't ever letting this shit pass.
>>748773210We told you this would happen as a direct result of you dipshits pushing this retard forward instead of a real proposal You refused to listen.This is what you get.
>>748784949then the government was going to pass the KIDS act anyway.meaning that trying to tie this into SKG because you have a hateboner for it doesn't make sense
>>748784315This. The dumb, useful idiot Skiggers merely pushed the totalitarian soi state into the existence 5 years ahead of schedule by demanding the EU regulate videogames and the Internet. It would've happened anyway, but this was the perfect opportunity for them to do it with the backing of the stupid petition signers. Don't feel too bad signing it if you were dumb enough to.
>>748784683>>748784709This shit was in the pipeline, a long time coming.If anything, blame the Epstein kerfuffle implicating a few elites and royalty too many.And the sin there wasn't that they trafficked kids. But lowly people found out, and are angry about it online.
>>748784812Moldman was the mole, the wreckage brother, ALL ALONGHe played us like a fiddle
>>748784916And once the server software is distributed, they are no longer responsible for what happens with it. Complete opposite of "You have to be monitoring what is happening on your game at all times">>748784930I'd say it'd be much the same, replace cops with rent-a-cops and laws with terms of services.
>>748784854>I think they're gearing up to force people to accept a lower quality of lifeYes, communists believe in equity. If they can't bring a higher quality of life to the masses, they will bring everyone down to their level. It's been this way every single time it's been tried; it's what they are doing now.
SKG>allow users to use private servers to play gamesKIDS ACT>private servers are bannedRetards on /v/>these are exactly the same!
>>748773210tldw?
>>748785016Don't yell fire, the firefighters don't come.
>>748785082You still asked for more regulation on how server software should be made and distributed and pushed to make corporations responsible for it, your strawman argument doesn't change that.
Skiggers are synonymous with NAFOtrannies by now. Ukraine lost. You should start wondering how much of Poland you want to give away as good will to normalize relations, not how much of Donbass you can still reclaim.
>>748785156>Ask for thing>Get opposite thing>"But you asked for thing"But you're right in one aspect: Can't ask the government for a refund.
>>748785138SAME, SOMEONE EXPLAIN IT TO ME AND THIS OTHER ANON SO WE CAN GET UP TO SPEED WITH THE THINGS
>>748785126Users can already make and distribute private servers to play games, that's not what the regulation means. SKG wanted to make corporations responsible for making and distributing server software.
>>748785198>5 years into the 2 weeks military operation
>>748785225where's the crew private server?
>>748781605the reason they they to use "gibs" is because the politicians already gave corporate blow jobs that screws over the citizens they were elected to represent. the opposite end of it are libertarians thinking this is a personal victory empowering corporations to manipulate governments to only benefit themselves and ruin the lives of everyone else. the sociopaths need to be managed.
>>748785225>Users can already make and distribute private servers to play gamesNot anymore of the kids act passes
>>748785205>Ask for more government regulations>Get more government regulations
>>748785205SKG didn't change, it still asked for corporations to make and distribute server software. EU Kids is related but not the same.>>748785271https://thecrewunlimited.com/home/
>>748785082>And once the server software is distributed, they are no longer responsible for what happens with it.That's the whole problem, if they're not responsible then whoever's running it is responsible, which means the government needs to make sure they can vet and track people who run private servers and the people using those servers. Running private servers in a gray area is much better than having some faggot government dictate how it should be done.
>>748785225>SKG wanted to make corporations responsible for making and distributing server software.Good.
>>748785274Question: does making government more powerful turn them more virtuous and less prone to corruption?
>>748785297when was that created? why did it take so long to be made? how easily can that be done for other games?
>>748784478It's very import that the shills help their masters create endless infighting in the lower classes. The arguments don't need to make sense, they just need to be abrasive enough to cause emotional reactions.
>>748785126They are not the same thing, but its just the natural consequence on bringing the government into this>B-but I asked for something else!You were warned, you were warned about how government operate, you were told what the magical concept of second order consequences is.And be glad its just this, it could have been worse.It WILL be worse, give it another 5 years.
>>748785343According to the commies it sure does.
>>748785375but SKG had nothing to do with the government trying to pass the KIDS act.there was no>bringing the government into thisthe government was already in this
>>748777061The next 10-20 years are going to be fucking horrible.
>>748785358Like a couple of years or so? Made the surface reasoning of SKG completely redundant too, but stooges still pushed for it because it was never about private servers to begin with, it was a bandwagon for more government regulation.
>>748785343Same answer as "does making the government less powerful make corporations more consumer friendly".
>LOL YOU ASKED FOR THIS!!! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!!Except, you know, for the part where it's happening literally everywhere due to an completely unrelated push for "le kids safety"
>>748773210Ok, and? We don't do your conspiracy nonsense in my country. The government has my best interest in mind.
>private servers illegalWhat the actual fuck lmaoSomeone please explain to me how the hell they came to this conclusion.
>>748785274>the opposite end of it are libertarians thinking this is a personal victory empowering corporations to manipulate governmentsLolLibertarians WARNED YOU this would happen, warned you NEGATIVELY. We do not support this, its just funny that everything went exactly as we predicted and you learned NOTHING, and you still blame us somehow.
Is there any way to make things better?>Can't ask for government help>Can't buy your way into the free market any more since most of it is tied up in exchanging stocks.>Can't support local business because they get fucked by reason 1 and 2.>Can't go off the grid because of reason 1 (and possibly 2 depending on who owns the land).
>>748784478A good chunk of this thread is obvious bot farms pushing an agenda. Notice how there's a ton of frogposting and talking about getting rid of copyright, despite that only making things worse? It's basic distractions to pretend like this could've never worked, because there are a lot of monied incentives to astroturf against this as hard as possible.
>>748785462Yes actually, Ubislop for example only exists thanks to government grants, that's the bulk of their funding. Without it they would have to actually try making games people want to buy.
>>748785456it was about not killing games. it shouldn't be on the blessing of tech wizards to create server emulators on their own free time. the studios should do that instead, and they could do it very easily.
>>748785462It doesn't, but the tool the corpos use to stomp on you is the state. Lesser state power means less stomping.
>>748785482I wish I lived in Belgium
>>748773681>wants to broker with the state to leverage their monopoly on violence to protect my need for speed live service gameyes retard you are a retard for even asking to begin with.>>748775198>muh corpos!!!these are companies creating commercial art, not putting your kids in factories or destroying the environment you fucking retard. commies deserve the rope lmao fucking infants>>748784231they really wanted the commies retards in the eu to pass a law making every game open source or whatever, they're such unbelievable morons. all commies are though
>>748785541It should indeed be entirely up to independent programmers to make servers or any other sort of software, and this should never be regulated. You are a useful idiot.
>>748785508>getting rid of copyright, despite that only making things worse?How LOLGetting rid of copyright would literally let you make servers and copies of every game to distribute as you see fit, it would RUIN the corporations trying to use the state for power over you.You are so fucking stupid it hurts.
>>748785508Copyright in general isn't bad, but a lot of modern copyright laws is fucking bullshit, especially when companies blur the line between services and products (See: BMW seat warmers).
>>748785590>its up to the modders to make our games good!ok, todd.
>>748785501You could not sign dumb petitions that give more power to governments that hate you? You could've just voted with your wallet and not bought live service games in the first place instead of ushering in more government meddling because you can't stop buying dumb garbage?
I told you this shit would end badly
>>7487854851984, and realizing proles have any privacy is a bad thing.
>>748785485Any unsanctioned assembly where you can suggest an unelected cunt like Von Der Leyen should get thrown the fuck out into the street and Gaddafi'd is a threat. Because a kid might read it.
>>748785501Only ever vote to abolish laws, never create more.
>>748785632>You could've just voted with your walletjust like with wokeshitoh wait, they're still making it because they have infinite money
>>748773332Fuck off Ursula
>>748785683There is no vote to abolish laws. You can only make petitions, in which case they'll go>"lol, no"And go on making more lawsLiterally nobody voted or asked for this
>>748785602Are you retarded? People would steal each other's ideas constantly and it would cause nonstop social unrest and absolutely decimate the propogation of arts and culture. Good God, anon.
>>748785607>Copyright in general isn't badYes it is. That's like saying rape is only bad if there's too much of it. No, it's always bad.
>>748785485The state doesn't want you to have any sort of private space where you can gather with like minded people and organize.
>>748785149>Don't yell fire, the firefighters don't come.But this act has fuckall to do with SKG. It's born out of the fears from social media controversies and the Roblox pedos. It's not born from SKG wishing to stop the killing of games. If they wished to implement a new tax on say, plastic or whatever tomorrow. Would you blame SKG? No? Then why blame this garbage on SKG? That's equally retarded.
>>748785738Then that's the best you can do passively, in fact not being a useful idiot and voting for regulation trash like SKG is good enough.
>>748784507>>748784870>>748784918kiketroon melty
>>748773316The parliament is voted. The comission is just a bunch of kikes that have to do nothing to get in there and they're the only one allowed to propose new laws.
>>748785651>>748785675Do they genuinely think they can enforce this? Or is this just an excuse to crack down on people who they suspect of using one?
>>748785529Interesting implication here that ubisoft makes bad games on purpose instead of ineptitude.>>748785554Corpos don't need the state to stomp on you.
>>748785804This will be regulated similarly to DMCA, they will give corporations another tool of control to automatically take down any repo hosting unauthorized server software. You voted for this btw.
>>748785747Ideas are not property. "Stealing" ideas is a good thing, as that's called the spread of information. Art has existed long before the concept of copyright did.
>>748785798>still couldn't help himselfgg ez
>>748785787Holy fucking shit how fucking mentally disabled do you have to be to think that this has ANYTHING to do with SKG
So why exactly the EU doing the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what the petition wants? Like it's an actual complete inverted version of it. Even America didn't do this.
>>748785786>It's born out of the fears from social media controversies and the Roblox pedos.kekGovernment doesn't care that your kids get raped. In fact, they want your kids to be abused and stupid. This is all about forcing digital ID on the entire internet to get rid of anonymity and eventually CBDC
>>748785747>steal each other's ideasYou can't steal an idea, I literally cannot take it away from you. I can copy it, but you would still have your idea.>and it would cause nonstop social unrest>the world didn't exist before copyright laws!!!!!Lol>decimate the propogation of arts and cultureThe reinaissance mogged modern art and it didn't have copyright law.Older literature travelled trough europe as unofficial translations, the writer never seeing a dime out of it, and it was better than modern slop.
>>748785838>Corpos don't need the state to stomp on you.Yes they do. All this shit right now is happening because of the DMCA, the most draconian piece of legislation ever written.
>>748785934Besides it having a lot to do with SKG, SKG itself is harmful and robs independent developers of their freedom to create and distribute their own server software.
>>748785632I didn't buy live service gamesYet they kept making themThen ruining series I had interest in otherwise.And then not to mention making games I would've played otherwise never to be played again (I like going back to trash from the 90's to play them for free for historical purposes).Not to mention, point 2. Concord and the other sony properties sinking hasn't sunked Sony yet, Ubisoft is still chugging along etc. No matter how much I screeched or yelled, niggerfaggots still bought these games.
>>748785084The more I read about communism the more I think about how that shit had a pretty good point to it and I wouldn't be opposed to trying it out again but in a way that isn't just a corrupt dictatorial hellhole, but unfortunately reforms can't really work out when money is power (including political) and revolutions lead to corrupt dictatorial hellholes, and there's a bunch of flavors of communism that people argue over and a lot of literature rooted in the early 20th century even though the world has changed a lot since thenOr maybe capitalism just sucks now because it's a monopoly with no competition
Money is the only thing that matters to these people. You should have realized that
>>748785995no not really
EXCUSE-TOI TOUT DE SUITE!
>>748785838>Before Skig>The crew doesn't work>After Skig>Mandatory digital ID laws, private servers banned, oh and the crew still doesn't workWow, what a win for consumers. You really stuck it to those "corpos".
>>748785995>Besides it having a lot to do with SKGDo you genuinely think this wouldn't have passed without SKG? Do you think literally anything would have changed without it? You absolute dumb fuck retard. I bet you think that some random australian christian feminists are to blame for ID Verification too, lmao.
>>748784282Kill yourself, you sorry waste of oxygen.
>ask for more regulation>get more regulation>WTF I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS
>>748785995Most indie developers already did that because no indie developer would have the resources to constantly fund a central server in perpetuity.
>>748785891Hey, don't pin this on me-- I never had a horse in this race. This outcome is just... well, pretty fucked up. >>748785895Sorry, but no one in their right mind agrees with you which is why copyright exists in the first place. The world already has enough dishonest frauds as it is-- encouraging them is the kind of stupid thing an African country would do.
>>748786107>ask for pothole to be fixed in your neighborhood>USA passes the PATRIOT ACT>THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT
>>748786002>no see, THIS TIME communism will surely work!Are you retarded?
>>748785891Nobody in EU votes for jack shit aside the internal parties.
>>748786002What part of fucking capitalism does it say we should make laws that not only fuck over consumers but also the very merchants and producers as well for the sake tighter of state-security. This looks like a reversion into mercantilism, which is what capitalism replaced.
>>748786107>Ask for less regulation>Get corporations putting in their own regulationsIt's lose/lose.
>>748785975Hey, retard, it's 2026. Things are different now. Very different. Hope this helps.
>>748786137>why copyright exists in the first placeYou have no idea what the history of copyright is. Hint: it wasn't mad up by intellectual or researchers. All its rationalization were done post-hoc by statist bootlickers like you.
I can't wait, until my country finally leaves the EU and makes games legal again.
I hate when people with literally zero political culture and insight start making up theories about the state, corporations, money, law, etc.>>748785935The EU isn't a supreme omniscient and omnipotent single-minded political instance. It's not like the American federal government, it's just some shit at the top of Europe that is democratically wiggled one side to the other in a constant state of chaos. Right now we are governed by the liberal center-right in a coalition with harder right-wing parties down to the far-right. It's not a transgender paradise of tolerant migrant gay sex a little bit because it's still mostly liberal, but the interests of the hardline conservatives are also expressed in priority.
>>748786091The EU is not a corpo.
>>748785891>You voted for this btw.This was proposed by the european commission so actually it was impossible to vote for (or against) this.
Skg was the same sort of harmful as this kids act. It effectively shit on the idea of indie and AA multi-player without insane investments. If a company doesn't exist to fund it, they legally cannot since it must have some sort of investment for local servers. The kids act is terrible, but it isn't asking devs to fork up to pay monthly just to release a product that failed. Sgk could never have been fully enforced because of the easy abuse. And this brought issues for companies who want to kill games for future revenues. Its still unenforceable at scale outside civil suits.
>>748786280Im sorry but I don't take EU politics seriously because you'll describe a party or politician of yours as "harder right-wing" or "far-right" and you look inside and its a transgender lesbian in a polycule with a sri lankan woman
>>748786232>Things are different now.Yeah, they are gay and cucked and the general population has somehow accepted that being a slave is good
>>748786348It's very simple. Right wing = less communist than Stalin.
>>748786337I'm sorry but if you are such a terrible programmer that SKG's extremely light demands were too much for you, then I don't think your game deserves to be played.
>>748786416Where is your game?
>>748786280The EU, by-in-large, is a supranation, anon. It enjoys both the privilege of being an international alliance AND a nation-state in of itself. It even has political supremacy over its members.
>>748786456>Where is your restaurant?
>>748786456Google The Witness.
>>748786337Oh too bad>Loads up a Quake server, a game that is 30 fucking years old without having to pay a cent to Carmack.
>>748786337SKG is indeed bad but not because of your retarded fake reason, it's bad because it makes corporations responsible for server software which automatically means 1. Private servers are under more regulation 2. Corporations have more power and incentive or legal requirements to take down unauthorized private servers 3. It's more regulation on something that shouldn't be the government's concern no matter how someone tries to spin it
>>748786337Then stop making shit games
>>748773210EU kids need to be praising Allah in their local mosque
>>748786520>it's bad because it makes corporations responsible for server softwareno it doesn't
>>748786280Get the fuck out of here you fucking kike.
>>748786280You have a very narrow and archaic version of right-wing if you think an international economic and political alliance dictating over its consituents is what you think a centre-right liberal wants. That is so far beyond ordoliberalism, which is what centre-right liberalism is.
>>748786261Hmm... Maybe you're right. Well, no-- you're definitely right about me not knowing shit about the history of copyright. Not sure why I had such a knee-jerk reaction to the idea of abolishing it in the first place. Alright anon, I am suddenly feeling more open to this concept, as it occurred to me that it may drastically alter the stagnant, commercialized retardation with which most of the arts are handled today. Forgive my bizarre fury earlier. Honestly not sure what came over me. Redpill me on this idea of yours. I am intrigued.
>>748786520Correct. SKG was bad because it proposed more legislation. The correct solution was to gut the DMCA, the draconian piece of shit that gives them power in the first place. You might counter by saying that's unrealistic and would never pass. Well, did SKG ever pass? No. That shows you why you should never compromise with evil.
>the libertarians were right againwow
>>748784521Lord Moloch is the only god because He ate all of the others.
>>748785602And you think that's worth giving corpos unlimited control over the arts? You're not just missing the forest for the trees, you can't even see past your own fat fucking fingers.>>748785607But that just calls for copyright being reworked for the modern era, not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>>748786682Copyright was made up by the king of England to prevent the spread of printed books he didn't like. Since then it became a form of widely spread state-granted monopolies. It's the same as all other monopolies - it benefits the monopolist at the cost of everybody else. Art does not need it to exist and it harms the market as a whole. People only support it because of tradition and greed. Everybody secretly wishes to be the monopolist.
>>748786773You'll see.
>>748786471Doesn't negate what I said. Anon wanted to know why the EU is suddenly doing the opposite of what it appeared to be inclined to do. It is a supranation and by this nature is constantly in a state of inner turmoil.>>748786639Watchu gonna do, goy?
>>748785895>be independent writer>write cool story>name it Thing and publish it online>Thing starts getting popular>Disney sees that Thing is popular>use their existing fortune to produce mountains of content including books and TV shows and video games about Thing completely drowning out the original>they make billions>you never see one penny of all the money made on the back of your own creation
>>748773210Pirate software must be feeling smirking >>748776843Sorry bruh, something something broken clock twice a day shit
Cattle are constantly brainwashed and manipulated because they want to, they hate the ideas of responsibility and confrontation. No one who voted for SKG ever cared about private server development to begin with, they simply agreed to it because it was framed as a moral crusade in favor of gamers and again loved the idea of making others responsible of something.
>>748786940>Pirate software must be feeling smirkingwhy?
>>748786934Yes. Conversely, you can do the same. You can take Disney properties and make money off them, which you cannot do now.I wonder, which of the two is more likely? Which one happens more right now?
>>748776045>but you can have a/c, in ourope, what are you on about?Then stop dying from heatstrokes
>>748786834>corpos unlimited control over the arts???????How would they control the arts when you take away the law that allows them to control the arts? Without copyright they would literally lose ALL of their franchises.
>>748786887Yes, I'll see the ultimate triumph of evil. Everyone will.
>>748773681maybe dont ask the town rapist for help then
>>748783124>That's how we got <more freedom to refuse cookies that sites HATE and make it extremely annoying>>tethered caps aka don't fucking lose your cap anymore>Google "killing" sideloading on Android (will still be able to sideload by enabling development options even on unrooted phones)get the fuck out with your false flag nigger opinions
>>748773481jeet coded post
>>748786985>You can take Disney properties and make money off themit would be much harder for you to do this, because Disney has more powerremoving copyright wouldn't suddenly stop the K shaped economy
>>748773210Bullshit and a big nothing-burger.The actual proposed text of the act:https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52026PC0681Nothing forbids private servers.Nothing entails huge costs for small devs.Devs can literally design the online experience of a game around being safe to minors and won't have to do a thing for it.And only a very small subset - namely article 15 - applies to games and online games specifically.And actually it does one very good thing: it makes battle passes and daily login grind fucking illegal.Everything else applies to video-sharing platforms and social media platforms *that require a person to have an account and tie that account publicly back to that person.*Anything accessible anonymously largely escapes from all the rules. (And yes- anonymous access is not forbidden.)
>>748785891>You voted for this btw.No we didn't. The European Commission is a literal oligarchy.
>>748786990Sure, we'll register those as obesity related deaths like you do in the US and it will solve the problem
>>748786934See, this is the kind of thing that came to mind the moment I read anon's "abolish copyright" theory. But it's not like the only competitors here are Disney and "Independent Author". There are a fuck ton of other producers; independent or otherwise. People would have to change the way they view the content they publish entirely. Actually, it makes me think about Bill Watterson. This nigga famously never sold out. But in a world without copyright, he wouldn't have been able to control his IP.
>>748777061What's funny about that question is that people who lived during and after the fall of the Roman Empire were probably asking that, too.
>>748787014The cookies regulation did nothing about tracking since you cookies were already designed to be explicit and easy to manage in your browser and it's not how sites primarily track you. The practical change is that websites now rely more on canvas fingerprinting which isn't as easy to manage and avoid.
PirateSoftware WON
>>748787048Without copyright they have no power. You could make your own Disney content and monetize it and they can't do shit to you.
>>748778680He didn't misunderstand shit. He just misrepresented it.
MODS STICKY THIS RIGHT NOW
>>748787069>design the only experience around being safeAnd how do you think that's done and enforced?
>>748787230ok and they have more money and social capital and so your monetized disney content will fade away like shit in the wind
>>748784741No we haven't, we have been the main ones tell you to shut fuck the up and stop being retarded, precisely because this shit was gonna be forced on the rest of the world, us included as well, and you fags just went " lol you Americans are corpo dick suckered who don't know what your talking about!"
>>748787048>has more powerWhen every company an make star wars slop, disney has no power over star wars slop anymoreThey can reach the cinema easily, yeah, sure... 100 startups would also rise overnight to make better stuff with those franchises. And what would the corpos gain? The chance to steal an idea from some literally who? Just for others to also compete over that idea? When right now they can pay the creator a trifle to have a COMPLETE monopoly on that idea?
>>748787003Oof. We'll see.
>>748787269Having more money doesn't mean your shit is more successful. See: Concord. If your stuff is better you will succeed. If not it won't. It's called meritocracy.
>>748786168No, I'm a believer of computer-assisted socialism/communism, Project Cybersyn looked awesome and it was dismantled by a corrupt general that overthrew the government and replaced Chile's socialism with crony capitalism and that was in the 70s. I'm not chilean.>>748786184I don't think that's tied to economic ideology as much as it is tied to the elderly mishandling digital oversight because they'd rather do things their way than let tech-savvy younger people have a crack at internet safety. The politicians have no fucking idea about anything digital except Microsoft Office. Companies themselves have been pushing for real-person confirmation methods such as age identification because the bot flood is harming ad revenue and ad companies (like Google) don't want to advertise to bots. I agree that kids shouldn't be on such an awful internet but I would vastly prefer that they crack down on genuinely awful shit like TikTok and enact education campaigns for responsible internet use rather than go the nuclear "tie your real life identity to what you do" option from the start, parents should be educated on the dangers of letting children unsupervised on Roblox.Measures to nationalize verification so that the only thing companies get is a confirmation that someone is old enough are better than letting private companies in charge of that but it's vulnerable to black hats who are not only incentivized to keep the internet unregulated but also steal data for impersonating people. The whole "dude the GOVERNMENT is watching you and is going to ARREST you for BAD SPEECH" shit is literally pointless for as long as you use proxies/VPNs (you connect to the internet via an ISP after all) but legislation/action against that is its own can of worms.
>>748777061The African concept of time (which is also the concept of time seen among primitive indigenous people, as it turns out) states that time is moving backward, not forward, and the past was the only "good" period that existed. Yes, this defies standard logic, but at times I find it rather amusing that people on 4chan pretty much subscribe to it whether they realize it or not.
>>748787303>>748787343Do you not understand the cultural empire that Disney has? We already have a vision of your future: just look at the third world. You can print bootleg Mickey plushies all day and no one will stop you. Has inequality been defeated over there?
>>748787269I assure you, its entirely possible to profit making an indie game off a company owned franchise. You don't need to make billions to be in the winning position.
>>748784478it's either literal kike shills or just 12yo "trolls" faggots from reddit collecting screenshots to post on their discord.
>>748784507Same. I called it day one and spelled out exactly why SKG would fail and they called me a shill and a troll the entire time.
>>748784571False. Copyright is capitalism.
>>748774645This. Fucking ridiculous more people care about their electronic toys than children getting bombed in Israel right now.
>>748787412there's a difference between thinking something will fail and wanting it to fail. Ross has always understood the risks and low chance of success.
>>748784763False. Copyright isn't an infringement on property rights.
>>748787209>websites now rely more on canvas fingerprinting which isn't as easy to manage and avoidwoooooooow
>>748787283>HEHE YUROS AMIRITE?!>amerigroid are subjected to even a more draconian version of the same shitGet fucked retard lol.And your demographics are collapsing harder than anyone elses on top of it too lol.See>>748784117
>>748787385>the cultural empire that Disney has?...is built over the monopolies that copyright grants them. When every director can make his own start wars slop, disney star wars slop is irrelevant.>just look at the third world.The third world is shit because they are low iq niggers not because of legislation.>Has inequality been defeated over there?I don't want to defeat inequality, inequality is good. We are not equal.I want freedom not equality.
>>748787343Check out this book when you get the chance. It'll flip that worldview of yours upside down the same way it flipped mine upside down. Turns out that, without guardrails, people will abuse everything and anything that gives them an edge regardless of the consequences. Copyright isn't perfect, but it creates guardrails.
>>748785259you lost tranny, there were SS units fighting until 1948, wars don't end overnight, retard.
>>748787373Hey bro, did you know that computers aren't exclusive to communism? Capitalists use them too! And it turns out they haven't made markets obsolete. Who knew?
>>748787519Then move to Mexico, you can create all the star wars slop you want
>>748787318Yes, we will. Evil was always destined to win.
>>748784870>Copyright is in fact anti-property, as it prevents people from using lawful property (making copies) in the way they wish.Nope. Copyright doesn't prevent anyone from personally using any copyrighted property. Breaching copyright for personal use is basically never prosecuted as a crime.
>>748787608Ok. Good luck.
>>748787519>i want freedom, not equalityNo one is stopping you from writing a story based on disney characters. You just have to play by certain rules if you want to make money off of it. Man, your theory is starting to sound worse and worse as the thread progresses. You really didn't think this through very much, did you?
Welcome to the finding out timeline, bud.
>>748786995Because they have more resources than anyone else and can easily outmuscle competition you knuckle dragging jackanape. Without copyright corpos like Sony can just take whatever indie game got popular, steal it for themselves, and squash the original creator through various means (removing them from their platform, drown them in frivolous lawsuits, etc.). The proposition of no copyright only makes sense in a delusional fantasy land where everyone is competing on equal ground.
>>748783050>>748783480Nogunz cope
better protect dem kiddos
>>748787474>>748787450If ideas were property the DMCA would not need to exist. It would be treated the same as inherited property. i.e., ideas would remained owned forever and passed down generations eternally.
>>748787531I'm not a commie you stupid dipshit. Kill yourself.
>>748785225>SKG wanted to make corporations responsible for making and distributing server software.That's silly. Service games are advertised as services. Services can end and services are legal.
>>748773210>EU attacking the citizens instead of bombing browns once again>>748776024You will be totally affected, amerimutt...>>748778721We don't want you, brownhands>>748786959That fag was making a game and was against SKG. Also, he has a gaint ego
I don't get dopamine from shitposts anymore, I wanna talk some fucking real shit. So watchu gonna do, goyim? Clearly when I state facts, when I remind the actual truth, the state of the matter at hand here, it pisses some of you off. Not meaning to offend when I say this but I can assert with full confidence 99% of you have no actual political insight or culture.We (Europeans) are ruled by center-right and strict right-wing conservatives, with some from the far-right agreeing with proposed measures. The Commission which proposed the measure was elected by the Parliament, elected by you/us the Europeans. That's what you get when you vote like a dumbass.
>>748787697good luck little duck
>>748787754I'm not suggesting you're a commie. I'm suggesting that your concept of a "meritocracy" is misguided.
>>748787283>and you fags just wentmaybe in your made up reality, in the real reality nobody has more hubris than amerimutts this thread is a prime example of it
>>748787787Directionbrain arguments are so blasé and designed to distract and manipulate goyim.
>>748787597No you can't, Mexico enforces copyright law.Also its a third world shithole because of its inhabitants, again, not because of laws.>>748787617>for personal useSee, the fact that I am not allowed to sell it is the infringement. If its my property, my rights include the right to sell that property. To share that property.Yet I cannot share files that are stored in my computer, thus my computer cannot be considered mine anymore, its collectively owned by all copyright owners.I also can't produce a patented medicine using MY ingredients and materials I BOUGHT, because it's a patented recipe, and thus I am not allowed to use my property as I see fit.Essentially, big pharma has a monopoly on medicine.
>>748785895>Ideas are not propertyFactually they are under capitalism. Cope about it lying faggot.
>>748787787I'm sorry, but in your continent Alice Weidel is part of the far right, but if she ran in America not even the Democrats would want her. Your Overton Window is quite useless to us.
>>748787787Totalitarianism has no "left" or "right".When will faggots finally understand that?
>>748787853Anybody who is anti-meritocracy and pro-equality is a commie. Humans are not equal. They have equal rights under God, but that does not equate to material equality.
>>748787779>EU>attacking brownslol, lmaothey love browns, especially the ones that kill young europeans and vote to keep them in power
>>748787659I don't need luck, I have the power of insanity and spite on my side.
>>748787896Obviously they don't really care. Copyright is technically enforced anywhere.And has it ever occurred to you that the laws are made to fit the inhabitants?
>>748784931yes, he LITERALLY did, cope commie skiggoid
you guys should start world war 3 already
>>748787896Anon, there are proper channels for this sort of thing. You genuinely don't seem to understand how anything works. Man, and here I thought you might be on to something. You are fucking clueless kek.
>>748787663You haven't refuted anything, the conversation was>the rules are unjust because of xAnd your reply was>just follow the rulesWhat an asinine reply.>>748787690>Because they have more resources Yes? Never said they have an advantage, but right now they have that advantage AND the copyright monopoly on that thing.>Sony can just take whatever indie game got popular, steal it for themselvesAt that point the game ALREADY got popular, I have ALREADY benefitted from this change.>but Sony gets to profit too!Wow, so EVERYONE benefits from this? And I'm supposed to oppose it?
>>748787906>Factually they are under capitalismSays who? Politicians? Are politicians the kings of capitalism?
>>748787139>lyingClassic.
This "muh Moloch" faggot could stand to come up with some new fucking material for once.Oh also fuck the EU to hell
>>748787858The only one eating shit from hubris are the retards who wanted to give the EU of all governments, their full consent to making laws around the gaming industry and ignored literally every warning that was was given to them.
>>748787985Woah, that's scary.
>>748788026at best, your policy wouldn't solve anything and would just continue the K shaped economy
>>748785198>Skiggers are synonymous with NAFOtrannies by nowalways have been. simple as. skiggers have always been the enemy of the white race.
>>748787989>Obviously they don't really care.If you try to sell a star wars game on steam they WILL care, or do you believe they will leave you alone because you are in mexico?>>748788024Again, no refutation
>>748787471I thought it would fail and wanted it to fail
>>748788060Wrong.See>>748776489Now let the seethe spill.
>>748787519>I want freedom not equality.And you will get neither, because you refuse to understand the former needs the latter.
>>748788113just sell your game at a taco stand, steam was actually created in a first world country and so first world standards are applied there
>>74878769210th Amendment
>>748785225skg wanted corporations to freely hand out their intellectual property rights, and then wondered why the government rightfully decided that it was retarded and made no sense
>>748787969Look here you stupid fuckwit, you have proven that giving you the benefit of the doubt was nothing short of a judgement error. The book explains quite plainly how meritocracy doesn't work because of the same reason the other anons are describing-- powerful people take advantage of the system and undermine it's function entirely. If you want to be a little bitch about it then that's your problem, but the real world won't change simply because you stick your fingers in your ears and shriek as soon as someone tells you that you're wrong.
>>748788210That's not what anything of that means and IP law is corporate terrorism.
>>748788060the EU doesn't need anyone's consent, let alone SKG. this is exemplified by the KIDS act going against everything SKG wished.
>>748788091>wouldn't solve anything It would literally immediately fix the issue STK by allowing everyone to create their bootleg copies and serversIt would literally cut medicine prices in half as any startup can make them cheaper now and the pharma monopoly would essentially ended.> K shaped economyWho cares? Why would I care about this?
>>748787896>See, the fact that I am not allowed to sell it is the infringement. If its my property, my rights include the right to sell that property. To share that property.>Yet I cannot share files that are stored in my computer, thus my computer cannot be considered mine anymore, its collectively owned by all copyright owners.Yes I know how copyright works.
>>748788273>Who cares? Why would I care about this?You would care if you are not in the top 1%. If you are, then obviously your priorities are different and you wouldn't need to sell bootleg plushies to survive.
>>748788228Meanwhile in real life it's socialism that's constantly abused because there's no merit to it. Can't even say it's undermined because it's working exactly as designed and what they tell goyim is purely lip service.
>>748787862Like a wise mathematics professor and financial advisor said: "goyim in abundance"... You gotta do agitprop, you gotta educate the masses, lead them in one direction or the other. Wether it's left or right, but in the good direction, the direction of justice, freedom, and happiness.>>748787908Indeed, and that's what participates in the chaos of the debates over here on 4chan. Two completely different civilisations, Europe and America.>>748787934Anarchism is cute but eventually pointless. You must support a strong left-wing authoritarian state. It's not an end in itself, the revolution must not be permanent but it must happen. See >>748786067.
>>748788034Says the law. Why are you intentionally being obtuse? Why do I need to teach you everything?
>>748788242>That's not what anything of that means yes it literally is, you're just too retarded to know what you're demanding>and IP law is corporate terrorismcommie skigger goes full mask-off, yet againseethe and cope, communism will never win in white nations
>>748788113>refutationAnon, you are *earnestly* suggesting things like having the right to make and sell medicine at your own discretion and without regulation. I assumed the refutation was unnecessary because of how obviously stupid this idea is. Do you really need me to spell it out further? Because I will.
>>748788009Shut the fuck up retard
>>748788026>but right now they have that advantage AND the copyright monopoly on that thing.No, they fucking don't. We already saw Sony get their ass handed to them when Bungie tried to steal some artist's entire portfolio for Marathon. Without copyright that case would've gotten nowhere. Why the fuck would you advicate for studios like BUNGIE to be the norm?>At that point the game ALREADY got popular, I have ALREADY benefitted from this change.Having a fucking target on your back isn't a benefit you retard. You make it blindingly obvious you've never actually made anything in your life, nor are you capable of thinkings through at all.
>>748788181>just sell your game at a taco standSo, you admit I would have to hide, and thus that mexico doesn't allow it, and are thus backpedalling to 5 posts before that. Do I take this as a concession that you are wrong? >>748788158No, it doesn't. Since we are not born equal, if we act freely equality won't happen. Therefore, equality is incompatible with freedom as a whole. As a concept, equality requires the death of freedom. Equality needs to be ENFORCED to exist.
>>748788228That's like saying money is bad because rich people can bribe politicians. The problem is the state, not money, food, or talent existing. Preventing talented people from benefiting from their talent is utter communist retardation.
>>748788446selling at a taco stand isn't hiding
>>748787519>I want freedom for myself onlyGreetings, fellow servant of Lord Moloch. You practice His teachings well.
>>748787268The only provisions that apply to online games are listed in article 15. Everything else is gated on video-sharing platforms and social media platforms.The most important parts:1. Online games have to ensure that compulsive use is not encouraged and should do so by not undermining the choice to discontinue playing, and by avoiding incentivizing continued engagement, whether positive or negative - i.e. by giving additional rewards or taking benefits away if you distance yourself from the game for a time.2. Games have to ensure a high level of privacy and safety by default, by ensuring the default settings for sharing geolocation and other tracking features, the settings for sharing mic or webcam footage, recommendations of others not yet on their friends list, and for interrupting push notification like mechanisms are all turned off. (They may still be enabled as a conscious choice. The default just has to be off.)3. Games have to prevent direct messaging by unsolicited other gamers. Only contacts a minor actively seeks out of their own volition should be allowed by default and there must not be any sollicitation to add additional other gamers to their friends list to expand it. (e.g. "it looks like you may know XYZ") And minors have to be able to block any contact after the fact if they want to.4. Games have to prevent other gamers from accessing any user-generated content or account information of a gamer that may be a minor, unless the minor has expressly approved disclosing that information. (Which basically means private-by-default; public-by-choice for everyone. A good idea.)5. Safeguards have to be put in place which prevent luring minors from the game's closed community onto other online platforms which may pose a risk to their privacy and safety. E.g. any outgoing links should be blocked for direct-opening; or at the very least should include an "are you sure?" interstitial page.None of that is taxing in any way.
>>748788423I'm the most anti-SKG person in the world, you are a confused idiot with bad arguments. SKG is trash exactly because it puts more power and responsibilities on corporations, not whatever retarded shit you tried to bring up.
>>748788404State law is not the same as ethics. We are talking about what the world SHOULD be like, not what it is now.
>>748788362>meanwhile in real life famous actors will pay money to have their own kid's SAT scores boosted and get them into ivy league schools over less privileged kids who are more qualifiedThat's just one of the many examples of where your concept of meritocracy fails.
>>748788156That isn't hubris that's was shit being pushed but it had no real legitimacy, and it still would have had to have been stall due to there being no precedent and it's range would have still been limited, but thanks to the Skg crowds, lawmakers were now able to include video games into the mix widen that birth vastly, and they'll now be able to call for "following in the footsteps of our EU allies". This is why we were tell you to shut the fuck up.
>>748788503you're not putting the mask back on after you already took it off, commie skigger nigger retard
>>748773210put together that big image, in case it wasn't already done
>>748788052Just another kike loser.Also fuck the EU from me as well.
>>748788559Not a systemic problem.
>>748788496>>748788580
>>748788052Lord Moloch is the god that humanity really wanted all along: a cackling embodiment of insanity and spite.
>>748788331>Yes I know how copyright works.It doesn't look like that. You said "Nope, copyright doesn't do that"Now you say "yes, I know that's what copyright does", so I assume you found the light and accepted that copyright does infringe on actual property.>>748788439> I assumed the refutation was unnecessaryI accept your concession.>and without regulationWhile I would agree, no, you can remove the current state of oppressive patents and STILL have quality control (meat is not copyrighted, and still has quality controls), so that falls outside of my argument.>>748788340So, this whole time the reason you were not arguing about copyright is because your concern is completely removed from the discussion. When you said "it wouldn't change anything" you actually meant "it wouldn't enforce my specific ideas".Good to know.
>>748788472For some reason you seem to be under the impression that talented people can't thrive unless they have the right to steal other people's work whenever they wish, which doesn't make any goddamn sense to me. There are a lot of different ways to get around issues like that, such as changing the names of characters or, hell, claiming that your blatant ripoff is a "parody". Jesus Christ, why am I even arguing with you. You are NGMI if you can't figure this shit out.
>>748788576>N-No t-that doesnt c-c-countLmao!Here's more hubris bro>>748784117
>>748788534How it is now is the most ethical.
>>748788689Notice how in my initial reply I stated>at best
>>748788707Are we living in utopia? Is the world right now in the best state it could possibly be?
>>748788639Lol then what is it? The system is prone to abuse, and so it gets abused.
>>748788689>copyright does infringe on actual property.Nope. It does not.
>>748788690What the hell does that have to do with meritocracy? Is your argument "we need copyright because meritocracy is bad"?
>>748788689>tell him i will spell it out further if he is too fucking stupid to get my point >considers this to be a concession baka lmao Yeah, I'm done entertaining this. Christ, what a bummer. Never giving a /v/tard the benefit of the doubt again.
all that was necessary was that gamers refuse to purchase games that required an online connection, but even ross himself couldn't keep from doing that. gamers are junkies and need their fix.
>>748787580Computers would have been a huge boon to central/governmental planning and such, far more real-time data, statistical projections, faster response times and so on, since one of its big disadvantages was inflexibility and slow response times compared to capitalism which lets private enterprises independently respond to market conditions.
>>748788806we need copyright because people are bad, and meritocracy doesn't work because people are bad, the same way communism doesn' work because people are bad. That's all you're getting out of me. Read the book-- you are honestly too fucking stupid for me to waste my time on.
>>748788763A meritocratic system is designed to promote and empower the most intelligent and able people, which is objectively the right idea that leads to the best outcomes as evidenced by real world examples. This has nothing to do with whatever made up nonsense you brought up.
>>748788758Copyright right now is about as good as it gets, yes. You could argue that life of the author should be the extent, and not plus 70 years. Outright removal of copyright is out of the question. Creators deserve their reward.
>>748788690Not those anons but can you explain what the book is about? If the book is actually about people defrauding merit based systems (e.g. Indians) or that there should be common sense qualifiers to not elect people other than ability alone (e.g. not hiring a literal psycho who wants to create super mutants or whatever the fuck) then it would make sense. And also tell us what you think about neuron science and the factors of IQ across race and gender so we can be sure to take you seriously or not.
>>748788872This.People are incapable of using capitalism to their benefit.
>>748788765Oh, so we went from>Noto >yesto>noInteresting.>>748788490It is, because I'm doing it so not enough people would find out, because the law that you claimed would not be enforced would be enforced.If you want to reduct to absurdism, think it trough for more than 2 minutes and avoid making a fool out of yourself.Besides, AGAIN, I don't care what they do or do not do in the third world, the reason niggers kill each other is unrelated to copyright policy.>>748788495Who are you quoting? Who said that? I am arguing for something that would apply to everyone.
>>748788872even if nobody bought it they would continue pushing it anyway until you had no choice because it benefits them. stop being cattle.
>>748788496Problem: all of this hinges on what methods an online game must use to define which users are minors and which ones are notThis, in conjunction with the push for digital ID everywhere the fuck else, makes the intended outcome obvious>>748788583Loser for sure. Fucking annoying too. Probably also an attention whore.>>748788653I'm sure your singleminded sadomasochistic fixation makes the idea of being tortured eternally for no reason sound awesome, but for people with intact genitals and unrotted frontal lobes the appeal is diminished somewhat
>>748773481Anyone who agrees with this is a hypocrite unless he never ever refunded a single game. Then he's just a useful idiot.
>>748788701Keep coping with your mistaken beliefs and know that even non whites have way way more common sense than you to forsee this would happen.
The people's republic
>>748788826I consider it a concession because you did not spell it out further>Yeah, I'm done entertaining thisSee? You have nothing to spell out further, I called out your bluff and now you crawl away like vermin. Its a concession, one clear as day.
>>748788896How does copyright prevent people from being bad? Is this commie bullshit where more centralized power = more good? You're doing a terrible job of selling the book, since you can't even summarize it.
>>748788979I notice you didn't respond to the other part of my post>steam was actually created in a first world country and so first world standards are applied there>And has it ever occurred to you that the laws are made to fit the inhabitants?
>>748789036>not hubris btwOkay Juan duly noted.
>>748788979>Oh, so we went from>>No>to>>yes>to>>no>InterestingYes that's what will happen when your argument constantly shifts from "should be" to "is" while using "is" in place of "should be" incorrectly and expecting anyone reading your posts to keep up with your bullshit past and present tense errors.
>>748788580Thank you so much, Anon.Wow. Holy shit. I didn't expect less retardation from it, betting 100 eddies on Polymarket this shit won't fly because the EU deputies aren't all complete faggots, but still I wonder what the fuck goes through the Commissioners' heads.In France we had a proposition from the government and the right/far-right (undistinguishable at this point) to restrict all social media to minors under 15. It was rejected by the Constitutional Council because it was just unfeasible, unprepared, and straight up unconstitutional as well. Maybe saying this can bring some hope to anons.>>748789038Unfeasible.>The people's republicWhat republic? The EU is not a republic. You're thinking of Star Wars.
>>748788895I don't think you get the point. I'm saying capitalism also uses computers, and they hasn't made markets obsolete. Therefore computerized communism still does not work.
>>748788446>Since we are not born equal, if we act freely equality won't happen. Therefore, equality is incompatible with freedom as a whole. As a concept, equality requires the death of freedom. Equality needs to be ENFORCED to exist.The fact that you unironically believe this drivel is why you will remain a slave to your corporate masters.
>>748789072it prevents obvious fraud>but people can still abuse it!"If men were angels, no government would be necessary." - John Madison
>>748789095This argument implies that any policy currently active in a first world country is a good policy, by the mere fact its exists in a first world country.Therefore, the policy in the OP post is good according to your argument.And if tomorrow your government gets you raped by a band of niggers they brought into the country, its ALSO good, because it "fits the inhabitants"You are NEVER allowed to disagree with your government, because "it fits the inhabitants"Basically your argument relies on the other person accepting "you should be a raped slave" as a reasonable proposition.
>>748789170>>The people's republic>What republic? The EU is not a republic. You're thinking of Star Wars.
>>748789206>An unironic blank slatist>calling anyone else a slaveKEKI can see why YOU believe to be the same as some 70 iq fented up nigger.This is, however, not the same for me.
>>748788967> If the book is actually about people defrauding merit based systems (e.g. Indians) or that there should be common sense qualifiers to not elect people other than ability alone (e.g. not hiring a literal psycho who wants to create super mutants or whatever the fuck) then it would make sense.This is essentially what it's about. It is intended to shed light on the numerous problems holding merit above everything else causes in a society where people don't necessary get the rewards they deserve, and sometimes get fucked over for reasons that do not reflect their quality or character. >neuron science and factors of IQ about race and genderI'm not writing this to appeal to whatever demented sociopolitical worldview you have, anon. It's a book I suggested because it was, for me, groundbreaking in a very disturbing way, particularly because I was once on board with the concept of meritocracy. Read it or don't-- I couldn't care less.
>>748789207Copyright has nothing to do with fraud. They're two separate sets of laws. The DMCA is used as a bludgeon against anything under the sun, but that's not its purpose nor is it desirable.
>>748789252I'm saying that if you want a government with no regulations, there are plenty of countries to live out your fantasies in.They might not be quite so pleasant though. You might think it has everything to do with demographics, but you have failed to consider that laws are created and enforced in correlation to the citizens
>>748789018>Problem: all of this hinges on what methods an online game must use to define which users are minors and which ones are notIt does not. You simply provide the baseline to everyone. Nothing in the act's legal text actually blocks a minor's access. It's all about default settings.The only thing mentioned related to games where blocking access comes into play is in buying games with a higher age rating. There the EU age verification scheme must be used and the entire age assurance must be based on zero-knowledge proof. That is - the online storefront gets nada of your actual personal data, it just gets a token that says you are of age.Also - the EU didn't make the stupid fucking mistake the UK made. The EU expressly allows and legally REQUIRES that the online account can store a signal that the accountholder has already verified their age, and won't be required to do so again. Meaning the shenanigans that e.g. Steam does by requiring a credit card to remain tied to the account at all times, are VERBOTEN.
>>748789321so you're not against DMCA or the concept of copyright - just abuses of it. that's a very different discussion then.
>>748789345>but you have failed to consider that laws are created and enforced in correlation to the citizensI JUST addressed this argument>Oh you don't want to be raped by 20 moroccans? Just move to India bro, they don't allow moroccans thereIs your unironic argument on how law and legislation should be handled.
>>748789403Anon, are you retarded? I'm both against fraud and against copyright. The two concept are completely unrelated. It's only conflated by people who don't understand them.
>>748789403That's not me, I am in favor of total copyright death
>>748789465>The DMCA is used as a bludgeon against anything under the sun, but that's not its purposeimplying its being abused
Another /pol/ thread hits bump limit.Fantastic!
>>748789002>until you had no choiceyou fucking weakling. there is no point at which you have no choice but to buy a videogame. you are the reason this is happening. you payed money for this to be done to you.
>>748789320>and sometimes get fucked over for reasons that do not reflect their quality or character. Something that I think gets subverted too often is just freedom of association. If I start a business and I turn down a literal genius for a dumbass friend just because I like them more instead and willing to hurt my business then that should be my choice. I think whites got psyop into the metrics topic over the fear of being turned down for minority quotas while missing that you should be able to do whatever you want if its truly a small private business. There are also important factors to consider such as someone who may be amazing in ability but has a history of compromising and destroying everyone they work for./
>>748789291Hooooo this republic. Ah yes, that's Chinese shit.I love all the European liberals shitting on China constantly yet trying to enforce the same system. Meanwhile, European socialists and communists are more liberal than them. The Overton window did move rightward.>>748789517You gotta have it. It's still on topic though.
>>748789359this sounds like a bunch of gay nanny state bullshitfuck the EU
>>748789440I find it amusing how you are against regulations for everything that isn't a country's borders.You have failed to grasp that these countries have lacking regulations precisely because their citizens are of such low quality.
>>748789517>lose argument >blame pol
>>748786337>hey Toyota, can you repair my 40yo Corolla?>no>okay, then give me the manuals and schematics>no, fuck you.>fuck this, I'l figure it out myself>if you do that I'l sue you into oblivion
>>748789517That's one more /pol/ thread than what /pol/ actually has. Board is blown to smithereens on that side, only reason why i'm here. Well that and I'm also interested in games. So keep it up gents.
>>748789669>>if you do that I'l sue you into oblivionFalse. See >>748787617
>>748789585Right is not equivalent to totalitarian
>>748789616I could have any position on immigration, it wouldn't matter because the analogy proves your argument to be fallacious>these countries have lacking regulations precisely because their citizens are of such low quality.Pic related, latin america.Measuring if the supermarket follows regulations.I have failed to grasp nothing, you are just deeply ignorant about the world.
>>748789616The less developed and lower the IQ, the more regulation a country has. African countries are a massive clusterfuck of bureaucracy which automatically leads to more corruption.
>>748789741Forgot image, concept remains. As the other anon says >>748789785
>>748789578Yeah, the guy also addresses issues such as those. A trusted friend could very well be a better person to keep around than someone with 18 Ph.Ds for the very reason you describe, but the culture of merit causes people to lose sight of common sense and instead opt for "number go up". He describes the damage this does to people's concept of social standing and the way it has turned high school into a stressful highly competitive grind in the US where teens are constantly threatened with a life of horror if they don't get into the best school in the country. Things like that.
>>748773210I told you faggots ross Scott was nothing but a pozzed Jew sympathizer shill
Always knew SKG was a long shot but maybe it's not only time to abandon vidya it's time to abandon the EU.
>please government control me>ow government ow you're hurting me ow owlol fags
>>748789741Your proposed policies would further lead to the third-worldification of the first world. I refuse to allow it.>>748789785No, not really. Corruption does not come from bureaucracy, and the corruption in African countries doesn't come from bureaucracy but rather the abuse of first world charity money.Compare Haiti to Singapore. Which would you rather live in?
>>748789018>I'm sure your singleminded sadomasochistic fixation makes the idea of being tortured eternally for no reason sound awesomeIt's going to happen to everyone no matter what, might as well accept your fate.
>>748789886Corruption requires bureaucracy to exist, you can't steal something from an institution or abuse its systems if there's no money passing hands or system to abuse.
>>748789868Don't worry, in your utopia where property doesn't exist then vidya can't exist anyway
>>748789902Since I'm a betting man, I would bet you $50,000 that this won't happen, but I know there is no chance in hell you have that kind of money, so forget it.
>>748789886>Your proposed policies would further lead to the third-worldificationYou failed to prove that, your argument was fallacious and based on incorrect assumptions >>748789798You were wrong about them not enforcing copyright, I proved you wrong and now you switched to a more general argument which is also incorrect as tons of third world countries regulate a lot more.It was also fallacious because "the third world breathes air so we should never breathe again" is fucking stupid and you should immediately its stupid as you type the argument, but alas you are also fucking stupid.
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>>748789967the abuse would just come another way. trying to fix corruption by removing bureaucracy is like trying to fix a broken pipe stopping a leak. the problem runs deeper>>748790029No it wasn't. Bootlegs exist and its much easier to get away with them in third world countries. That you refuse to accept this just to win an argument is quite sad.
goofy ahh thread
>>748790061FAIL
>>748790023Actually, you can just hand the 50 K over right now.
yurops are so retarded kek
