The game is 5 years away, by then Microsoft will already be out of the console business. There's no reason to keep funding a game that will be irrelevant.

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>>748794714
Game had delays and cost too much, this was after Concord and other nonsense. They saw that Death Stranding 1-2 didn't sell at all so they figured they had another dud on their hands. Not a shock.

Kojimbo is living in delusional la-la land wehre he feels entitled to endless publisher money forever so he can hang out with hollywood stars that he considers his peers (eventhough Hollywood is dying). For instance, he is the ONLY game developer who has been on the Criterion closet.

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>>748794714
If he had made a stealth action game, THEN an off-brand MGO he'd have made billions in profits. Instead he wanted to make AAA cinematic slop.

And funny enough, Kojima-san doesn't play games and it's obvious, he just watches movies. That's why he was blind-sided by learning that he had been beaten to the punch in 2009 by making a game have online connectivity in a single player game with Demon's Souls. He had no idea, and seemingly was unaware of how Dark Souls games had played. Surely he heard headlines of them selling well but never checked them out?

You can easily think of an action-adventure game incorporating some of these online elements in a game someone might give a shit about playing.

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>>748794714
>"Hey Sony, fund my hollyboner cinematic slop"
>"Okay, any exclusivity rights or benefits towards us to justify this over-budgeted, massive project of yours?"
>"NO JUST FUCKING MY FUND MY SHIT YOU FUCKING RETARDS"
Did i get the gist of it?

>>748794714
He wanted to keep it multiplat, Sony didnt. Also Sony focuses more on live service and big IP games these days.

They blew their money on
>Concord
>Bungie
>Fairgame$
>Horizon live service slop
>Canceled TLOU live service slop
>Canceled GOW live service slop

>>748794714
Snoys will buy a gorillion copies of Horizon slop, live service slop or Marvel slop, Kojimbo simply isnt the kind of dev their consumers want hence Snoy cancelled him

>>748796136
This list is missing like 10 other GaaS games they cancelled or still work on lol

>>748796136
>Cancel Kojima for "going over budget"
Did a western guy in the upper management at Sony had a brain fart or anything?

>>748794714
Kojima going over budget with no progress completely tracks. It's exactly why he was fired from Konami.

>>748794714
>sony cancelling movie games
he must have fucked up real bad

>>748794714
sony wanted him to make a game that would make money.
kojima just wants to spend millions to hang with celebrities.

sony knew when to pull kojima out. xbox will do the same once they get their shit together

>>748796136
Absolutely insane that Sony is still funding shit like Gumm Bearz or Fairgames while cancelling MGS successor, what exactly do they want to advertise PS6 with? Where are the cool games?

>>748796725
TLOU Remamamamastered
Cuck of War Laundry Post-Menopausal Edition
GTA6: Let's Shill This Shit Another 15 Years
Spiderman 3: Mary Jane Dick Caroussel Adventure

Didn't this hack say he was tired of making MGS games? So now he wants to make another action stealth game?

>>748794714
They wasted too much money on live service flops. Kojima's last game was also a flop. The guys who were friends with him aren't around anymore. So they don't want to take a risk on something they don't even own 100%. It's not mystery.

I think Sony was stupid for bankrolling Death Stranding 2 though, first one was a not a flop but anyone with a brain could see a sequel was not gonna be a hit. Xbox betting on Silent Hill and MGS ripoffs is a smarter gamble at least

>>748794714
Their bullshit excuse was that they respect him but are moving in another direction. The reality is they saw how cars he was wasting hanging out with celebrities. Konami vindicated.

>>748797270
Grim

Seeing Kojima fail makes me so happy <3

>>748797510
Is it failing if you go from one mark to another?

>>748797573
He's out of places to run to

>>748797349
I'm guessing you forgot everything about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76jhOinT9I

They would rather give money to concord- likes because their exec are in the gay and lame antiwhite cult. Kojima isn't part of the cult so he doesn't get the free gravy.

The money excuse makes no fucking sense, they keep funding stupid shit like fairgame$.

>>748797623
Well Nintendo is right there, possibly also China. Besides, what if Physint is a hit and makes money? Death Stranding 1 at least was a modest success.

>>748794714
What else is there?

>Sony hands half a billion bucks to Kojima
>Kojima misses development thresholds left and right
>One of Kojima's requests was that the game is multiplatform
>At $400m he never thought it was anything but completely unreasonable and yet Sony was ok with it at first
>Sony wants an update on the game and sets up a zoom meeting
>Kojima misses it because of a fucking FASHION SHOW and because he is too busy sucking hollywood cock
>Sony sees DS2 only sell 2 mill copies and dips

I mean what the fuck was Kojima thinking was gonna happen??????????????

Now he is stuck with MS and with way less money to spend on mocapping his hollywood friends lmao

>>748797703
Hahahahahahahaha

>>748796136
They cancelled it around June, just a bit after Marathon flopped and showed no sign of recovery and after killing Bluepoint.
Hell you can put the blame of everything Sony did in the past 5 years on Bungie.

>>748794714
Schreier already gave the deets even if he buried the lede because he was allowing himself to be used as a Sony mouthpiece

They shut it down because Kojima wasn't willing to let them keep it a permanent Sony exclusive, but instead wanted the same deal as DS1 where he'd seek a different publisher for PC because Sony refuses to release single player games on PC anymore.
They were basically trying to use funding as leverage to keep the game off of PC

>>748797786
Buying Bungie undoubtedly the stupidest decision they made

>>748796539
It really doesn't since the budget for MGSV, the game that was so harmful to Konami enough to tank them, was merely between 50-80 millions reaching 100 millions. Meanwhile Sony spent 3x that with just Wolverine alone, is it really an issue on Kojima's side? No.

The only problem from Kojima is being so slow with its development. Because when you have done really any development you're not bound to go over budget at all

>>748797763
He's right.

>>748798043
About what? Everything he said is insane and not going to happen. Kojima would fucking die if he had to work with Nintendo. They would not enable him.

>>748798128
>About what?
Everything he said.

>>748798128
Why? Does he have a grudge against them?

>>748798128
>Kojima would fucking die if he had to work with Nintendo
No, he doesn't. Kojima is afable as many other Japanese devs. Western devs are the snob faggots that rarely deliver. Anyway, it's Xbox now the ones that will capitalize on Physint if everyone plays their cards right

>>748797884
from the financial report it was 80 mill, and that's before release so that's the floor not the ceiling, and by 2015 that is one of the most expensive games ever made.

>>748795473
>>748795569
Lol this guy really lost it, hes high on his own farts.

>>748798323
So how much did it cost, where do you get your numbers?

>>748796250
Horizon numbers are solely because it was the designated bundled shovelware.

>>748798323
>from the financial report it was 80 mill, and that's before release so that's the floor not the ceiling
But not from early stages. It's safe to assume the budget was between 80-100 millions. And still, nowhere near as dangerous as Konami shills (I even doubt Konami itself were that vehement about it) tried to make it look like the fucking apocalypse. And in the end, surprising nobody really, the game was a hit and recovered budget in week one.

Google says Red Dead Redemption was around similar development costs. So MGSV wasn't that much when it comes most expensive, it was only high (with a clear design for evelasting profits in the long term)

>>748794714
Kojima keeps wasting millions on celebrities

>>748798582
It's not just the budget alone, it's how it's spent. Wasting millions on b list celebrities for one. Only reason he makes games at this point is so he can parasocailly pretend he's friends with all these celebrities who don't give a fuck and are just there for the paycheck.

sony execs will cry MUH BUDGETS while funding a dozen more live service flops and giving naughty dog 600 million to skip an entire console gen
we all know kojima wouldn't sell out and he won't do exclusives so hermen hult, like a woman scorned, made it messy and you have all these hilarious "tokyo bar" rumors

>>748798440
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO89986400R30C15A7000000/
There you go chief.
>>748798582
I think being around a Rockstar games budget is proof that it is an incredibly high budget for the time. The game's budget is probably most comparative to battlefield 4 which according to Wikipedia with inflation is still the 24th most expensive game developed with official figures, obviously that's a big asterisk but it's worth mentioning.

>>748799029
Bro I can't read this paywalled Japanese article, the fuck is this?

>>748797838
what does mouthpiece even mean in this case?
its resonable for sony to demand that its a exclusive when they are funding it, you kojima grifter dicksucker are morons.

>>748798440
You don't need to go too far, even assumptions can get you there. MGSV was ambitious, lenghty, difficult and developed in more than one department so makes sense its development costs being on the high side. The surprising part comes from the amount itself; 100 millions of dollaridoos is still incredibly low considering they not only developed the game, , long ass development (began right after releasing Peace Walker and PSP game), constant changes through it (normal for game development), tested waters along the way (Ground Zeroes), Kojima's own weird kick with celebrities and motion capture AND, most importantly, they were making an engine that would be used for the game WHILE making said game.

I someone says it's expensive, everyone should agree as the context is clear a heavy project, but telling me 100 million dollars was way too expensive I call that bullshit for everything they made in the process and only costed 100 million, I'd call that Japanese efficiency at work; any western dev would get you a bill for twice the amount doing the same and they sure as fuck don't make a game engine alongside and only use existing ones

It's impressive how well MGSV ended up even rushed and incomplete in perspective.

>>748798872
Celebrities aren't more expensive than making a game engine. I'd say mocap and licensing costs more than them.

>Calling Jack Bauer B list
DAMN YOU!

>>748799143
So you think it makes sense Sony wants to keep his game hostage to one platform while simultanously crying about not enough sales due to no multiplat, while also giving even more funding to upcoming flops like Fairgames?

>>748799389
if sony is going to invest in kojima, sony wants kojima to invest in playstation
very very simple stuff here

>>748799143
>It's reasonable for Sony to change the terms of the deal well after it was agreed
Jew detected

Keep in mind up until this year Sony was fully committed to bringing their games to PC.
Sony is the one who changed, not Kojima

>>748799227
I should clarify I don't think it was well spent, with the power of hindsight especially just that it was a very large risk for konami, especially as a Japanese company I don't know of any budgets in the area at the time. The engine part makes it even more comparable to BF4 because though it's not a new engine, BF4 was the game they developed Frostbite 3 for. Cant count those swedes and germans out for engineering.

>>748794714
Sony is broke. That's literally it. PS6 will cost $999.99 and it will tank Playstation.

How much you wanna bet Xbox will pull funding eventually and this game just never comes out?

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So what do Snoys even have to look forward to next gen?
Is it really only female GOW, hero slop, horizon slop and live service slop?

>>748799735
>>748799753
Both of things are extremely likely to happen

>>748799389
>>748799420
I legit don't think that was it. I'm convinced Kojima paid as scaegoat trying to cover for Sony's budget mistakes, nothing else.

>>748799639
Fair. But would you call those dev costs something that led to risk of bankrupcy a company like Konami in the slightest? A company that had in the bank like 500 million dollar to function and couldn't tank an ocasional big spending as investment? No fucking way, konami shills are retarded and Konami was sitting in YGO money for decades and that's only one thing they have and used to be big

But I say it was well spent, and could've been proved, but Konami went full retard and scrapped the whole thing shortly afterwards so all that time and work was for nothing, as for them at least. They really should've used the Fox engine to make most of it, fucking dumb call on their side. Konami was legit more in risk during corona-chimpout years

>>748799639
For around 80M:
Ground Zeroes, made over 30M
MGS V, made over 500M
MGSVOnline
Fox Engine

>>748799293
Hey I like Kiefer as much as the next guy but he's absolutely B-list, maybe even C-list at this point.

>>748799808
Xbox has more money than Sony, if MS didn't axe Xbox by 2015 it's clear they want to keep it around despite their continued flopping

>>748796725
>what exactly do they want to advertise PS6 with?
Shitshint is like 5 years away. Nothing to advertise the PS6 with.

>>748795908
nah, sony was okay with the cross plat release, they just wanted like 1y exclusivity, pretty much the standard contract.
The issue was 5 years in he literally ONLY has the main stars (who are all known movie stars btw), it's just another moneysink like death stranding for him to live out his fantasies of chumming up hollywood cause he got laughed out of every directorial position he's attempted to reach out for.

>>748799787
Hello Snoys pls answer, you complain about Kojimbo but what are you even looking forward to in PS6?

>>748800082
>Kiefer is now Christian Slater tier
Nah, he's A list. Hollywood fucked its own view of what their listers are; people like Sutherland have the experience and chops so A list.

>>748800080
You have consider the re-releases and microtransactions too. Not much but they added, for sure some retards fell for those cosmetics

they probably thought sorry koji my bro we already got enough exclusive moviegames not to need to beg you for 1 more

>>748794714
i have kojima fatigue

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So, $305 Million on Wolverine is okay but not Metal Gear Solid's spiritual successor...

>>748800158
>Nothing to advertise the PS6 with.
Save us Lord Cuckman

>Announces 2 TLoU projects on the side
Imagine the disaster when they flop

>>748800180
This is the most strange part of all; Death Stranding was a niche title and yet sold well for what it was and even got a sequel. But Sony knew that Physint is not meant as a niche type of game but mass appeal as a MGS spiritual successor of sorts... and they still cut it off?! Makes no sense, if anything it should have been DS2 for being niche and not worth the costs

>>748794714
Maybe someone at Sony grew a brain after noticing
>MGS4 was shit
>Peace Walker was shit
>PT was shit
>MGSV was shit*
>DS1 was shit
>DS2 was presumably shit idk didn't play it never will either

>>748800540
All of those were good.

>>748800630
I genuinely don't see how anyone can spin MGS4 as being a good game.

>>748800452
I doubt we'll ever get definitive answers but supposedly the contract for decima was to cover DS1/2 and then a third game (likely physint, which is why od got funding from MS to start)
and support for a decade. And, well, here we are, 7 years later, and he's saying it's gonna be another 5 years? he was never gonna be able to uphold his end of the contract.
Also the failure of DS2 is probably a reason that physint wasn't seen as a grand event, there's no way to say if it would succeed. People forget that MGS was never really a system seller to begin wtih. MGS4 was literally memed on and is one of the earliest instances of a movie game on sony platforms.
There just wasn't a whole lot of power backing it up.
But yeah, DS1 sold okay for what it was but did not move systems like it was intended to/expected to, DS2 sold like absolute dogshit in comparison.

>>748800778
The online was great

>>748801178
1/5th of the game was good. I agree. Doesn't mean the overall package was.
Also Kojima didn't work on the online so the narrative of him being a hack stands up.

>>748795473
>>748795569
what the fuck

>>748800540
>PT was shit
Nigga so young he doesn't remember why Resident Evil got back on the map

>>748801602
Resident Evil 7 was actually a video game and its demo was actually scary. Fuck off with this retarded narrative.

>>748801602
omg kojimbo drones are so fucking cringe

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>>748801007
>People forget that MGS was never really a system seller to begin wtih. MGS4 was literally memed on and is one of the earliest instances of a movie game on sony platforms.

God, i hate zoomers so much it's unreal...

>>748795569
>If he had made a stealth action game, THEN an off-brand MGO he'd have made billions in profits. Instead he wanted to make AAA cinematic slop.

I feel there's an MGO shaped hole in my soul, and have no clue why it didn't become the new Counter Strike. if Kojimbo had just focused on that kind of a project, ti'd be a smash hit.

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>>748794714
Death Stranding 2 was the point where I realised he'd completely lost it, and Sony probably figured the same

Until then he could be relied upon to deliver something which uniquely stood on its own, despite his pretentious self-aggrandizing and carelessless with money. But Death Stranding 2 was such a low effort piece of microwave-reheated crap that any prestige or value he might have retained as an innovator evaporated overnight. It also apparently sold like shit. Sony's bleeding bank account decided he just wasn't worth the risk anymore and cut his decadent, self-indulgent working process off at the knees and wished him well.

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>>748801782
>>748801007
MGS was released after the PS blew up, withs omething like FF7 or Gran Turismo being something people bought the system for. But MGS was one of the biggest releases of 1998, just behind Ocarina of Time. It was a big deal and sold a lot. The hype for MGS2 was unreal, with even a bunch of my friends bugging me to come over during lunch to watch me play the tanker section. The graphics were unreal.

>>748794714
Sony is broke from investing in microservice F2P multiplayer games that will never come out. They don't have money to give Kojima or anyone else.

>>748795473
>so he can hang out with hollywood stars that he considers his peers (eventhough Hollywood is dying).
A reminder that this site is an echo chamber that is years behind. This year has had the best box office numbers since 2019.

>>748802003
>Death Stranding 2 was the point where I realised he'd completely lost it, and Sony probably figured the same

My actual point was MGS4, but otherwise it's Death Stranding 1.

>>748794714
Lmao, not as shocked as he was when his C list foreign voice actor Hayter ran up a billion dollars in hollywood writing credentials while he sat with his tiny dick in his hands. Imagine that for a minute, what that must have felt like for poor old kojima
>Hayter: Hey Hideo! :D did you hear how well Watchman and Xmen did? You want to write movies too, right? I can get you in the door!
>Kojima: (unbearable seething, envy, sour grapes)
>Hayter: what do you mean you don’t want me back to play big boss??!

>>748795569
>eventhough
Jesus Christ, enough with the ESL combinationwords already

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>>748802031
>A reminder that this site is an echo chamber that is years behind. This year has had the best box office numbers since 2019.

Uh huh. The trend is fewer and fewer movies do well. That's not a healthy environment. The clear trend is that tv and film die off and everything is replaced by online streaming content. Movie goers are over 30, and kids do not care about movies or super heroes. Post 2015 the only films that could make bank were super hero films since they casted the widest net.

There will probably be another decade of films and movie theaters, but after that it's done. Everyone's going bankrupt.

>>748795473
>Game had delays and cost too much
Source? Kojima and his studio said there were no delays, and there are multiple publicized interviews for well over a year stating that the release date is in 2030. Since we know it's been coming out that year for well over a year, can you provide a reputable source that there was a delay?

Do you think Physint will feature ideas that didn't make it into mgsv, like Chapter 3 Peace?

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>>748802049
MGS4 was arguably the point where he decided to stop making traditional video games, but I still consider it along with Peace Walker, MGSV and Death Stranding worth playing. They're interesting and unique enough despite their faults to be worth a look at the very least.

Death Stranding 2 was not worth a look. It's literally Death Stranding 1 but worse in almost every way.

>>748794714
because he doesn't do anything with the budget but hang out with celebrities all day for years on end

>>748802070
Did Kojima even know who the English VAs were?

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>>748796136
And they're still blowing money on this shit right here, which was, amusingly, delayed for a year after Sony cut ties with Kojima. For all of the imaginary reasons people can come up with for Sony doing this, they're still making the worst possible choices that violate all of these.

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>>748795473
meanwhile...

>>748802142
>Movie goers are over 30, and kids do not care about movies or super heroes. Post 2015 the only films that could make bank were super hero films since they casted the widest net.
you a retarded and completely out of step with reality. Two of the biggest movies of the year are zoomer low budget horror movies. Older people don't go out to see movies. They don't like going out at all. The reason you think movies are dying is likely anecdotal evidence because you are older.

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oof. the first and last photo dropped. our response?

>>748802464
He actually did meet hayter a handful of times, and hayter would act like a goldenretriver around him. Hayter did find him for drinks one time at some award show or something, and tried to talk about the movies he had written, but kojima just stared right through him, internally screaming.

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>>748802416
still made more money than any other recent Sony IP

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>>748802720
I like any narrative that can be used to shit on Kojima but idk this one always felt weak to me

>>748795473
>combined 1 billion dollars for concord, marathon and wolverine
I sleep
>kojima asks for 50 million again for a game
DIE DIE DIE!!

>>748802806
Don’t even believe it happened then, it doesn’t matter. What does matter is that kojima sucks hollywood dick all day, but the guy he canned from his long running popular series wrote several successful hollywood films while kojima has nothing.

And if kojima *does* someday direct a movie, he needs to beat what Hayter’s movies made. Seeing as Hayter wrote popular capeshit marvel slop, that ain’t happening.

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I love that Kojimba, according to what his fanboys say, doesn’t miss deadlines and waste budgets on drinking with celebrities, In fact, he does everything exactly on time, does not require additional funds and brings super profits to each company in which he works.
And yet they somehow still kick him out because... BECAUSE THEY ARE STOOPID AND KAJIMBA IS LE HECKING CHUNGUS GENIUS!!!
The remarkable story of a man expelled from 109 companies.

>>748802721
Yotei did better numbers than DS2.

>People think Microsoft won't cancel it either

>>748803006
Expelled from 2 companies, one he was with for decades and rose to an executive position. He is a money wasting retard though. Your post would be better without the unfunny reddit irony and the jew joke.

>>748803087
I would say you are giving kojima cocksuckers a bad name but your rep is already in the toilet regardless

>>748803006
>BECAUSE THEY ARE STOOPID AND KAJIMBA IS LE HECKING CHUNGUS GENIUS!!!
Yes, unironically.
Oh hang on, are we supposed to believe the retarded niggers who thought Concord was a good investment? Or the retarded niggers who thought Metal Gear Survive was a good investment?
Kojimbo is a faggot but he has amassed a huge extremely loyal following, is capable of resurrecting dead franchises like Silent Hill with a tiny demo, and is able to appeal to basically everyone by making the perfect fusion of games and movies.
I don't even like the majority of the games he's made but the man is extremely fucking good at what he does.
If he is in your employ and you cannot use him to make massive fucking amounts of money then you are shit at your job. Get a better handler for him, or get better accountants, whatever.
>b-b-but he throws huge parties and is hard to work with...
So is every single famous movie director/actor but somehow Kikewood manages to waste millions soothing their egos and still turn a ridiculous profit. Skill issue. Pure and simple. Learn to manage your talent.

>>748803087
You realize that's just Japanese company inertia and especially true if you're name is being slapped on shit to help sell it. I enjoy some of the crap he's made, but saying he makes games underbudget or on schedule ignore all the weird random shit that actually doesn't do anything outside being something so minor you'd never notice it unless you spent time fucking around, like the whole ice cubes melting slower when they're next to one another.

>>748803325
>He is a money wasting retard though
I'm not a Kojima cocksucker at all. I'd say you cannot read and are just another brain dead tourist who happens to be right about this one topic.

>>748803006
Sony didn't "kick him out" they stopped funding him. They can do this because unlike their other studios they don't own him. They can't kick out Druckmann without axing the whole studio which involves for paperwork and money. They blew all their money and goodwill on F2P games and then cancelled all of them. Now they are bleeding and they are cutting everything they can. The PS6 will be dead on arrival. As for Konami they left gaming in general for years to focus on selling gambling machines until the government started putting restrictions on gambling now they are back with their tail between their legs. Kojima did nothing wrong :)

>>748802142
Streaming is dying too. Nothing in the entertainment industry is doing well at the moment.

>>748804328
There's fears and speculation that cable, film, tv, and streaming, will all die at once. And no one knwos what will replace it. Will people just be addicted to instagram reels for the foreseeable future and that's it?

>>748797757
>Sony wants an update on the game and sets up a zoom meeting
>Kojima misses it because of a fucking FASHION SHOW and because he is too busy sucking hollywood cock
Happened in your dream?