Metroid Prime 1 is currently #11 on Metacritic's highest rated games of all time, and was firmly in the top 10 for well over a decade. Despite this, not one game has really attempted to recreate what made this game resonate so well with those who played it. Plenty of games have claimed to be "inspired" by it, but none have really tried to replicate its atmosphere, world building, and game design.Unlike the other legendary titles on the list, and even others in its own franchise, Prime didn't leave behind a lingering ghostly influence to touch games that came after it.It can't really be compared to the cultural moment of Mario 64 & Zelda 64, either. Prime was long after that first jump to 3D. Even Halo came out a year before it, so you can't argue that it was simply novel to explore an immersive alien planet in first person.It's something else, something much more specific that made this game so beloved.
Because the people that rate this game that high either a) never played it, b) never beat it, or c) are boomers (uncllennials) that haven't beat it since 2002 and it reminds them of a time before joint custody.
>>748832854Metroid has actual gameplay. It really is that simple.
Why are schizos always seething about prime?
>>748832854Prime 2 is better IMO
>>748832854Metroid prime fucking sucks
>>748832854>GameCubesnoys genuinely believe this when Prime 4 improved on most of its gameplay/general level design
>>748832854Metroid Prime was a pure, straight shot at exactly what it intended to do- create an inspired 3D interpretation of a very simple and [at the time] somewhat niche formula. It's because of the simplicity of "just make a Metroid game but in 3D". No gimmicks, no new one insane tech. Just jump, shoot, roll into a ball, and solve some very straight forward combat encounters and puzzles. There's nothing else like it because nothing is anywhere near as confident in its premise and execution to the point where the flaws only really show themselves in the last few moments of gameplay and are quickly overshadowed (those being the lack of faster/comfortable traversal and 0 indication on the map where missing power ups are leading everyone to buy a guide and check things off as they go, insane to me that this never gets addressrd).It's a complete package that doesn't treat itself as anything special or bigger than it is. It was treated and crafted as a humble homage to a beloved franchise moreso than some explosive new entry that breaks ground, which is impressive in the face of it being considered the latter by almost everyone that experienced it.
I enjoyed everything the music the atmosphere hell even the back tracking to get every last rocket and health upgrade. Pure quinoa. Did not enjoy any of the sequels
>>748832854Super Metroid absolutely mogs prime
>>748834660I didn't appreciate Prime 2 as much when I was kid coming off of Prime 1 being my favorite game ever. I later learned to appreciate how much it got right seeing how badly they fucked Prime 3 up, and later 4.Atmosphere is 90% of what I value in these games and Prime 2 does it really well, even in the super techy Sanctuary Fortress and the suffocating dark world component.
>>748833779It's a bad Halo ripoff and nothing like Metroid.
>>748837205Halo has good controls though
>>748837257Did you miss or ignore the "bad"?
>>74883285440 y/o here. I loved Prime until it asked me to backtrack across all of the previous levels to collect some shit. I barely tolerated it with MGS, by the time I played Prime I was already stuck in a shitty wagie life and couldn't be bothered wasting my time. Zelda Wind Waker suffered the same fate with its shitty late game triforce fishing bullshit.
>>748832854It reinvented the wheel for console FPS competently, so it's miles better than all the sloppa games that just backported mouselook to consoles.Gun&ball gamers from 6th gen simply have no standards, they bought a PS2 for FIFA and DVDs.
>>748837463yeah overwatch would be so much better if it had lock onfuckin tendies are kindergartners I swear you have to dumb down every genre for them
>>748837461Same, which is why I abandoned the entire franchise, I'm not wasting my time and life with all the forced backtracking faggotry this series demands you to do.
>>748837728>plays Overwatch>has absolute zero reading comprehensionChecks out.
>>748837461you can beat prime in 10 hours, maybe max 20 if you have no idea where to find some upgrades
which prime has the best boss ost?
>>748838431Backtracking is less fun than discovering and exploring new lands. I got distracted by other games with fresh content, Prime lost my interest by choosing to be boring to pad out game time.
>>748837362Yea
>>748832854It's a first person shooter that emphasizes exploration over difficult combat, which is what Half Life 2 was two years later.
>>748838585titty
>>748838585part of the experience is that you pick a route that allows you to get upgrades you were previously unable to collect. A few minutes of backtracking with new upgrades is more fun than a new area with barely anything in it.
No matter how much /v/ seethes for metroid primeit's still one of the best videogames ever made, so cope seethe and dilate.
>tfw you get the Plasma Beam and start immolating the local wildlifeBest take on Plasma of any game IMO.
>>748833779There are five groups of people who seethe over Prime's success.>2D Metroid fagsThey were the most justified haterbase as the main series took the back seat for a decade and a half (Other M doesn't exist) until the literal Return of Samus and Dread revealing itself as a lich. The 2 Metroid fagbases have pretty much reconciled now and both eagerly await the release of Metroid Ravenous.>Quakefags and other PC elitistsMost of the shit Prime gets is for being on a Nintendo platform, so you used to (and still do) hear stupid shit like "Metroid Prime is not an FPS" or "FPSs can't have platforming". This has since collapsed after Doom Eternal's success, but the older folk still treat Prime like any other Nintendo baby game. Also Quakefags are the niggers of the FPS umbrella. All they do is pick fights with everyone else.>ADHD zoomers and alphasThey get bored and don't want to read scans because it's difficult to multitask with and can't splitscreen alongside subway surfer. Not much else to probe here since their skulls are nearly hollow.>nu-/v/If it's not Dark Souls, they'll call [insert game beloved by /v/] overrated trash. The irony is that Lordran is basically a Metroid map right down to the elevators between areas.>(you)You are a normal human being with unique taste and just didn't like it. But instead of moving on, you made it your mission to bitch about the game in these threads every month acting like it's the worst game you've ever played.
Funny topic. I was thinking about something similar just last week, "why does no one copy Metroid prime despite it being one of the best 3d games ever made?" I honestly don't know, it should be possible.
>>748839384>the older folk
>>748833779I like the game, but it's way too easy. I can play it on its hardest difficulty and not die even once. And I do not believe in self-imposed challenges. That is the game's job to challenge me. If it can't handle me at my best, then it's lacking.
>>748839518Those people were in their 20s when Prime released anon. They are pushing 50 now.
>>748839384i dont seethe over it but i do laugh at prime fanboys because they are usually cubesnoys who cant handle criticism take mario 64 for example this is my fav game ever right but if someone really didnt like it then i would totally understand it controls poorly and has some early 3d jank and on real hardware it is blurry etc i could see many reasons why someone would not like it and of course that is fine why i laugh at prime fans and sometimes take the piss is that they treat their fav game like some untouchable masterpiece and anyone who says otherwise is a non nintendo fan or never owned a gamecube or some other such excuse
>>748832854Making a proper 3D metroidvania is incredibly hard, unlike in 2D where indies shit them out. Prime 1 and 2 are the only successes in history, prime 3 if you really stretch it.
>>748832854The game so perfect that even the fans recommend you play anything other than the original release because the controls in it are so fucking bad
>>748839861You sound like someone who would take great joy in causing normie damage control by criticizing Red Dead Redemption 2You should try it. They genuinely believe it's the greatest game ever made
>>748839861Prime has a switch port you can stop seething already snoy
>>748840289>>748839861The PC version is better anyway.
>>748840391Playing Halo on keyboard and mouse highlights just how primitive and shit it is.Prime is still fun on keyboard and mouse highlighting how rich its gameplay is.
PC elitist explains why everyone else hates him. More at 11
>>748837205Plays nothing like Gaylo
>>748840391Does it contain the same sequence breaks and unedited lore as the original Gamecube version?
>>748840974Raped consolefag afrain of replying directly to me demonstrating his inability to maintain eye contact online.
>>748841096for PAL the altered lore is the original
>gets bootyblasted because he wasn't given a (you)He must be italian, 'cause he is fragile
>>748841096On PC you have access to EVERY version, and all of them work with Primehack.
>>748832854It's not just Metroid Prime. It's Metroid in general. We have enough indie "Metroidvanias" to fill a landfill, but not a single one of them even ATTEMPTS to have a similar atmosphere to Metroid. They're more like Symphony of the Night clones, as opposed to Metroid clones
>>748839384>and both eagerly await the release of Metroid Ravenous.Fuck no, what gay headcanon is this? SM3D, Dread and Rav are all fucking dogshit animu slop that lost the core identity of 2D Metroid (Super). You want me to get excited for some retarded looking aliens wearing chink hats? Metroid is about lonely atmospheric exploration on an alien planet and dealing with monstrosities.
>>748841453>SM3DMeant to type SR3D
>>748841453Dread wasn't terrible, and at the least Ravenous will likely have some good parts. But yeah, the story took a nosedive because they're trying too hard to make Samus a YAS QUEEN GIRLBOSS who needs to yell and shout.
>>748841714>YAS QUEEN GIRLBOSSSamus being fucking pissed makes perfectly sense given that the pirates, the federation and even the chozos are all cunts
>>748841916And yet the feds are still allowed to live?
>>748832854Half-Life 1 and Doom are more fun.
>>748841916Samus is going to control/master this Metroid shit in Ravenous because in her current state she's liable to remove Federation scientists' heads from their shoulders.
>>748841453You put Super on a pedestal, then talk about lonely exploration like it doesn't contradict the game's entire premise of returning to familiarity while gunning down hundreds of pirates on a mission to rescue the closest thing you've had to a friend. You haven't a fucking clue of what you're talking about.Take your dumbest nigga alive award nomination and go back to Fusion Hut Jr.
>>748841419What about Zexion and Axiom Verge? You played them right?
>>748841916I don't give a shit about "angry Samus" and I never fucking cared about her ties to the Chozo. You must be a mangafag or something. The Chozo were irrelevant in the games and just backdrop. Giving them relevance is committing the same mistake that Halo made in 4 with the Forerunner.
>>748842015Who do you think hired the space chinks?
>>748842129I wasn't impressed by Axiom Verge at all. Zexion is admittedly very cute but it's very much NEStroid specifically. I was hoping for something more Super/GBA
>>748842190It'll probably be the space pirates or Raven Beak again, because the idea of a villain staying dead is foreign to metroid.
>>748841453dread was dogshit
>>748842171>the same mistake that Halo made in 4 with the Forerunner.Or that Alien made in Prometheus with the Engineers... I'm seeing a pattern here
>Samus starts exhibiting metroid behavior>Metroids begin their life cycle by feeding on energy>Samus starts to feed like oneSamus is going through ferocious metroid puberty once her body reaches the Zeta stage
>>748842171it's your thing if you just ignore everything in Zero Mission and the lore in Prime but this doesn't make the Chozo irrelevant. After prime they look like space hippies but Dread all of the sudden turns at least a part of them into villains.
>>748842269Fucking Ridley has a better chance of coming back than Raven Beak. Samus completely vaporized him at point blank.
>>748832854the end bosses suck so much they nearly made me hate the game
>>748842575That's backdrop, you retard. The Chozo are not active in any of the old games. Their planet(s) are overtaken by fucked up aliens and monsters and you go to Zebes to clean up the Pirates. Didn't realize how many retarded mangafags there were in this fanbase until I started seeing hype for fucking Raven Beak, who gives a shit.
>>748842737dude that wanted to create a clone army of Samus can always have some retcon backup clone
>>748842575>turnsThe chozo were always a warrior race. No one was surprised when Samus Returns revealed that there were evil chozo. The big reveal was that there was one that was still capable of flight.10/10 boss fight btw
>>748842737>Samus completely vaporized him at point blank Ridley was literally caught in the blast field of Zebes as it was completely atomized into nothing. He came back in Other M as a clone, and then came back again in Fusion as a frozen popsicle.
>>748834538>no gimmicksAbsolutely wrong. The scan visor and the huge amount of flavor text and world-building was entirely unlike what Metroid had been before that and being able to download info on an enemy while fighting it that may give tips or strategies to defeat it was super novel. One could sort of make the argument that Navi in OoT did something similar and the Scan Visor is definitely an evolution of that concept but it did so much more that pretending that Prime was 'just' Super Metroid but 3D with no new design choices is a disservice.
>>748842930I don't give a fuck about the manga, a live chozo is enough reason for hype if you only play the gamesbeing the best boss in the game and possibly the series helps too
>>748833779They are called Chozo
>>748843031>Samus Returns revealedhow many people actually played this especially here?
>>748843132Not to mention it genuinely made one of the biggest leaps forwards for FPS because of all this added gameplay tech. And the behind-the-scenes documentaries with many of the former Retro devs of the time also show how ridiculous it was that they shat out pure solid gold given how tumultuous development of Prime 1 was.
>>748843180>being the best boss in the game and possibly the series helps tooRight up until the ending completely ruined it.>haha Raven Beak took no damage during the entire fight>he took no damage when Samus damaged his wing, or when he ripped his own wing off>he's so heckin epic and awesome lol XDXDXD>now he overpowers Samus easily in a cutscene, showing how the entire fight was meaninglessStunk of a JRPG cliche.
>>748843261No one was thinking about the concept of evil Chozo until that slideshowWhy do you have such a huge stick up your ass?
>>748843467>No one was thinking about the concept of evil Chozo until that slideshowWho gives a shit? Why do evil Chozo even matter this much besides creating artificial drama and future plot points that go nowhere?
>>748843467that's not what I meant you retard. What I'm saying a lot of people didn't know this as they skipped Samus Return and then only got the info from Dread.
>>748843383>now he overpowers Samus easilyLanding a command grab tends to do that, yes
>>748843383Tell me how this is any worse than Mother Brain in Super Metroid.
>>748843654They need filler plots to justify sequels. That's it. Just like with Metroid Prime 4, when they introduce a new alien race that conveniently died out or became monsters, so we can completely ignore them by the time the end credits roll.
>>748843721The mother brain fight was retarded as well, and dragged the whole game down for a faggoty emotional moment.
>>748843803oh shit I didn't realise it was acfag. nevermind then
>>748843691Your post was vague, anon. But to answer your question, more than you think. This was the first Metroid game for a lot of people.I will ask again. Why are you so mad today? You're flippin a shit over Metroid lore of all things. Chill the fuck out.
>>748843850Concession accepted. ;)
>>748843956I asked a question and you tell me I have a stick up my arse not noticing that I'm not even the anon you're replied to. I played the original Metroid 2 so I never felt like playing Samus Returns especially when it released so late into the 3DS lifecycle.
>>748843654>Why do evil Chozo even matter this muchYes, why does the ancient warrior race, the civilization that conquered the galaxy, that has almost entirely disappeared, matter so much to the fanbase? Why do people want to know more about the ancient warrior race that armed Samus with planet buster tier weaponry? Why do people want to know the exact moment that caused many of them to have a sudden change of heart and use their technology and wisdom to mentor lesser races like the Luminoth rather than conquer them?Idunno man, truly a mystery
>>748841714You are REALLY determined to push this faggot narrative, ACfag.
>>748844439Sounds like pointless and boring filler. yawn.
>>748841068Yea, it's somehow worse than Gaylo
>>748844120>I played the original Metroid 2My condolences
>>748844471Well, watching a cutscene of Samus throwing a temper tantrum does not enhance the video game experience. Them ruining the entire Raven Beak fight so Samus can PMS just soured what could've been a good fight. It's the difference between doomguy shooting demons, and DoomSlayer doing an epic 50 second cutscene of him ripping a demon's head off and shitting down its neck, because it's HECKIN #BADASS #CHUNGUS
>>748844529I enjoyed Return of Samus more than Samus Returns ngl.
>>748844529yea it didn't age well. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a diehard fan
>>748832854Prime is fucking trash, a disgrace to Super (which is already overrated)>one-stick first person movement feels terrible >extremely cramped 60° FOV especially bad since you must lock in place to be able to even turn your head slightly>for some reason manually aiming up and down is some herculean effort and you must jam the stick for like 5+ seconds just to slowly crawl your arm up>numerous areas are near pitch black dark with no flashlight (or even suit glow)>constant backtracking and ping-ponging to opposite ends of the world>new power-up paths all result in dead-ends aside from the one prescribed critical path (the game even recognizes its progression and navigation are terrible which is why it blatantly signposts everything with a literal quest marker)>bosses are dull Simon Says dogshit>no consistent way to farm missiles back if you waste them aside from backtracking all the way back to the ship or one of the few rare missile refill stations>scanning shit constantly is incredibly tedious and boring>enemies offer no incentive to bother with them and you can just run right past 90% of them barely taking a scratch>environments are extremely bland and generic (hot zone, cold zone, grass zone, rock zone)>environments are very visually flat and hard to read (especially in conjunction with the narrow FOV and restricted camera movement)>first-person platforming sections with a 60° FOV unsurprisingly feel terrible>map system is mostly fine except transitions between areas require you to completely exit that area, scroll over to the other area map, and then manually line up where the two meet >movement is incredibly underwhelming compared to Super Metroid and you are constantly starting and stopping>last third of the game becomes a shitty cover shooter in a game with some of the absolute worst combat and first person controls out there>cockblocks you at the end with massive long backtracking fetch quest for all the remaining chozo artifacts
>>748844840Same. You ever try AM2R?
>>748844637Blah blah blah exact same copypasted post. Do you abuse your mother when she tries to do anything beyond being a house slave?
>>748844902It was pretty good overall but also clearly a fangame. Some of the graphics looked flash tier.
>anon tries to hard>no one takes his green baitMany such cases
>>748841916>>748842015>>748842190It's always easy to spot the guy who wants Samus to extinct all of humanity over a rogue faction's actions.
Nobody can replicate it because it took a team of some of the most talented developers on earth being crunched with 100+ hour work weeks for it to happenCreating a cohesive 3D world that's interesting to explore is unbelievably difficult and labor intensive, literally every room in prime is full of completely unique art assets that are meticulously placed and thought out with intentthe entire world design was built around the hardware limitations of the gamecube in order to make it as seamless as possibleThe team had to be whipped into shape by miyamoto and other nintendo higher ups in order to even get the game out, and even then there's stuff that still feels unfinished like the impact crater, though it's still well realized for what it is
>>748845075>this shadowy government allows illegal bio weapons to run rampant, and nearly destroyed the galaxy multiple times over>"NOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL THEM, WE MUST BE BETTER MEN"
>>748842575The Chozo's entire backstory is they were a warrior race who conquered much of the galaxy and held a massive empire. The problem was they spent so much time being warriors and forgot to breed, by the time they realized it they were all past the breeding age and most of them decided to stop being warriors and become watchers over the cosmos, leaving their statues and technology on various worlds to tell their story and for anyone who could use them. The Mawkin tribe were the only one who remained warriors and conquerors.
>>748843467They were. People noticed how chozo shines always contained weaponry. Like bombs and missiles. People knew Chozo were nefarious even back in Metroid 1 and super
>>748843654>artificial dramaThe fuck is this supposed to mean? Define what natural drama is.
>>748845182>and nearly destroyed the galaxy multiple times overOnce. And they were dealt with. If you want to play a game where you butcher women and children like a subhuman animal there's plenty of others to choose from.
>>748845429Three times, actually. Them losing control of the Emmi, the Other M incident, and the Fusion incident. If the feds are such incompetent retards that they risk ice-resistant metroids, AND an x infestation, AND losing control of their commissioned robots, then they need to be dealt with. >the feds are made of nothing but women and children, there are no adults running the GFThen maybe they shouldn't be ruling over everyone? Sounds like a bad idea, senpai. Would explain the utter incompetence, thoughbeit.
>>748845559>Them losing control of the EmmiWas because of Raven Beak and Quiet Robe. Unlike what you desperately want to believe, the EMMI were not built by the Federation specifically to kill Samus.>the Other M incidentThe what incident?
>>748845258So what you're saying is the Chozoare just incels
>>748832854It was well liked for its graphics, the gameplay was rather mid.
>>748845747>Unlike what you desperately want to believe, the EMMI were not built by the Federation specifically to kill Samus.And yet you keep ignoring how convenient it is that it's immune to all her weaponry, and is designed to extract DNA. The same metroid DNA that the feds wanted to experiment on in Fusion. And the feds don't even apologize for it, they basically order her to get the emmis back, barely paying her scraps. ADAM even comments on how pitiful the payment is. Almost like they never intended her to return alive.>The what incident?the one they reference in Dread, thus showing that Sakamoto still considers the game canon? You HAVE played the game, right? Otherwise you would know that.
>>748834538>It's because of the simplicity of "just make a Metroid game but in 3D"You think so, but there's layers of gimmick going on under the hood. It began when Shiggy demanded they give Samus "an insect head" so they got a first person adventure with different visors and switching between beams, ect. It goes as far to where they were WORRIED that the game would be too short, they asked Nintendo for advice and they insisted Retro add a "triforce shards/charts quest" to pad out the game. Retro wasn't even done there, the game loads areas as you approach them, AND THEY STILL proceeded to add those elevator cutscenes we didn't need.People overlook a lot about Prime 1, and thus exaggerate its quality, and overrate the game.
>>748845747Other M fucked up so much shit>have bottleship incident in Fusion>lol lets do it again but even worseSamus doesn't need to destroy the entire humanity but if you get hired to deal with a threat that could end the universe in the wrong hands just for your client to do exactly this in the background so you have to clean this shit up as well would piss anyone off.
>>748846167It's retroactively hilarious that Samus was surprised by the secret Metroid breeding program in Fusion after it already happened.
The game is all about vibes, exploring *without* fast travel, and the fact that you're truly alone. The music is a big part of the appeal, and the earthy naturalistic feel of the planet.If I had to break it down as a video game, it's good still. Every part of it works, and is more or less fun. It's not mind-blowing by any means. Bosses are maybe a little spongy.You could make Metroid Prime and make it a lot better, and it's kind of strange that Retro have failed to do that three times now.
>>748845984Yes, they were made to be able to withstand hostile environments, hostile life forms, and do their job. Raven Beak forced Quiet Robe to have them target Samus. You are the one who insists the Federation secretly made them to go after only Samus.
>>748846167Other M was an extremely lazy remake of Fusion, it can be completely ignored and none of the lore or story is affected.
>>748846765it only explains why there is a Ridley in the freezer but otherwise yea I prefer to ignore its existence.
>>748846574And conveniently they're immune to all of Samus' custom chozo weapons, AND their DNA extractors insta-kill samus regardless of how much energy or health or armor she has. Tell me, has any enemy ever been able to do that in the entirety of metroid? If we're excluding Diggernaut. What I'm saying is that these evil cunts have no right making weapons of any kind, after they've been shown doing shady and illegal weapons experiments behind Samus' back. They deserve to be killed even if the Emmi were just regular robots that didn't have dedicated anti-samus weapons and armor. Hell, the feds deserved to be killed for the Prime 4 incident.
>>748847010Many things are immune to Samus' weapons.
>some feds doing seriously shady shit in Other M and Fusion MUST mean that the ENTIRE organization has been COMPLETELY compromised!No, you stupid bitches, that's not how it works.The feds are not in the clear for what happened in Fusion, that much is true, but there is no fucking way that the federation, as a collective, gave Other M and Fusion the go-ahead.Ideally, this would be addressed in a future game, or at least supplementary media like the manga, but I personally can't imagine we won't see an intergalactic civil war break out once the galaxy learns that the greatest bounty hunter to have ever lived is now also a space-fairing Metroid.Ironically enough, it's the Prime games that support the notion that the Federation isn't corrupt, unlike Fusion and Other M.Admiral Dane would've been fucking appalled.
>>748832854Metroid Prime is just one of those lighting in a bottle games. You can’t recreate perfection.
>>748833779>series is played by troons nonstop>the game that introduces them all into speedrunning>every Metroid thread descends into them throwing shitfits to talk bad about another troons favourite MetroidIt's genuinely one of the very few series you just cannot discuss anywhere anymore.
>>748847098How many federation commissioned weapons are immune to her, though? The ones we see in the Prime series are built with the durability of tissue paper, and will die to typical space pirate weapons like it was nothing. How convenient that now they've mastered the art of making unkillable war machines that require hyper advanced chozo technology to put down, when they struggle to even replicate Samus' weapons and armor.>>748847219The problem is that Samus keeps accepting jobs from these corrupt fucks. If Raven Beak hadn't corrupted the EMMIs, you can bet that Samus would've recovered them and brought them back like a cuck, not even bothering to ask questions like why they sent DNA extractor robots to deal with the potential X parasite infestation, when the previous game established that they want the X to survive so they can turn them into a weapon. How did that not send off a million red flags? If the emmi weren't personally designed to kill Samus, then she should've still been wary that these DNA harvesting robots were being used to harvest a bioweapon so deadly that Samus had to crash a space station into a planet to ensure that they stayed dead.
>>748847219add the Metroid that Sylux stole from the feds in the end of fed force to the list
>>748832854Batman Arkham Asylum is a Primelike
>>748837461Prime 1 at least lets you pick them up naturally along the course of the game if you're being thorough. Prime 2 simply locks them behind a lategame upgrade to pad out game time. That's true bullshit.
>>748847472>>748847595I'm not dismissing it, read, cunts.The corruption does need to be addressed, and I trust that it will be, during or after Ravenous.Honestly it probably depends on what state the Space Pirates are in post-Super, because if they're gone for good, then they've left a power vacuum in their absence, but if they're still around then why haven't we heard anything from them since Super?
>>748844439You're asking questions that you know will not be handled or answered properly by Nintendo. Someone else brought up Halo here dropping the ball with the Forerunners which is a good comparison as to why you don't make your vague mysterious super-advanced but now extinct alien race in your sci-fi franchise that much screentime because most of the time the writing will be bad and unsatisfactory. Movies dont even pull this off well like the Aliens franchise.
>>748842102>You put Super on a pedestalWhy wouldn't he?
>>748839384>Prime killed the 2D games>Zero Mission, one of the best 2D games, released during the Prime era
>>748833686>it reminds them of a time before joint custody.kek
>>748841419ESA is clearly aiming for Metroid, though I didn't love that game as much as I had hoped.
>>748849018>Prime 2 simply locks them behind a lategame upgrade to pad out game time.That's true bullshit. Prime 1 does as much the same thing, no matter how you dice it. All you need to begin finding sky temple keys are the Luminoth scans and the dark visor. There's other parallels between the games, such as needing power bombs or spiderball or plasma beam, ect to get some of those artifacts. Use your brain.and Prime 2 is just a vastly better designed game, period, anyway.
>>748849203>The corruption does need to be addressed, and I trust that it will be, during or after Ravenous.I would love for it to be addressed, but japan is full of authority worshipping bootlickers, so samus ever questioning her masters is out of the question. In Other M, she literally rolled over and practically waited for the corrupt feds to lock her up in prison. Hell, I'm shocked that she didn't let them come and take the SA-X for their bio experiments, since she's so averse to disobeying authority. Then again, Adam did order her to destroy sr388 and the station, so maybe her female brain followed that priority.
>>748849607>word saladFix your bot, Rajinder.
>>748849692You got btfo, and should consider suicide.
>>748849780> All you need to begin finding sky temple keys are the Luminoth scans and the dark visor. Yes, that is the lategame upgrade I am talking about in Prime 2. No such limitation exists in 1. You fundamentally do not understand the conversation, bot/jeet.
>>748849607I'd need to replay 2 eventually but in Prime 1 the artifact collection is just a victory lap across the world allowing you to collect all remaining upgrades if you know where things are of course cause then it's surprisingly linear. Like the one artifact at the edge of phendrana where you conveniently pass by tons of upgrades that require plasma beam.
>>748849689>In Other M, she literally rolled over and practically waited for the corrupt feds to lock her up in prison.Because Other M is written like dogshit, even the few Japanese fans of Metroid know that Samus in that game isn't herself, and they got the better version of the script.No one likes talking about Other M because Samus is out of character in that game, so no one will consider her actions in Other M, because Other M wasn't made in good faith.
I'd like to also emphasize that Japanese fans of Metroid do not hold much love for Metroid's unholy trinity, despite each game being an attempt to cater to them specifically.>マジで今作クソゲだったな10年以上前のアザーエム、3のが圧倒的におもろい>新スーツかっこいいからどんな機能か、バイク乗れるだけとか頭悪すぎて笑った何の強化でもねーじゃん>砂漠もスカスカで何もなく低速バイクでひたすらクリスタルに体当たりするだけ>このためにSwitch2買ったのバカバカしすぎてな>ストーリーもアホの中学生に本書かせたんかってくらいクソしょぼ胸糞でこんなゲーム褒めてるやついねーだろレベル
>>748849607None of the sky temple keys are accessible until you get the dark visor, which is 2/3rds of the way through the game. 5 out of 9 sky temple keys require the light suit, which is the final item obtained.Only one of Prime's artifacts requires the phazon suit, the last item.
>>748851487Plasma beam, power bomb, these are things obtained in the last level of Prime 1, and they are required for half the artifacts. It's the same thing, dingus.
>>748849867Dark visor is obtained in the second area of the game, it's literally not a late game item you fucking tard.
>>748850085That's the Prime 2 experience as well, as another anon pointed out you wind up with the light suit and no longer receive damage from the environment so you get your "victory lap" and it's particularly satisfying. People sleeping on Prime 2, better music, better level design, better bosses, better everything honestly.
>>748851908It's the last item you receive in the second of three areas.
>>748851908It's one of the last items, and you also need the Luminoth scans for some fucktarded reason. Confirmed for hallucinating retard bot.
>>748852035Not a late game item, you get it before the last area. Better points can be made, as brought up half of Prime 1's artifacts require items from its last area. Shove it.
>>748852168You need the luminoth scans because those are hints on where the fucking keys are, fuck off and kys.
>>748852262You shouldn't need to scan the hints just to unlock them physically on the map, you 75 IQ pile of feces. Flush yourself.
>>748851981I liked the presentation of Prime 1 more but in terms of upgrades and a other things Prime 2 is better. Some reskinned enemies and the dark world leave some bitter aftertaste however. I seriously need to replay it at some point as in Prime I reached the point I just stroll through with minimal backtracking and get my 100% in under 6h
I've been playing Prime Origins and it really makes me appreciate how well the different areas in Prime fit together. It's basically a room by room demake of Prime, and I'm surprised at how well the overall flow still works in a 2D setting.
>>748852316You don't need to scan the hints, FUCK OFF AND KILL YOURSELF. I am tired of your fucking retardation, you don't understand jack shit.
>>7488518305/12 artifacts can be obtained before the power bombs. How many can be obtained before the dark visor, which is immediately before the last area of echoes?
>>748852349Says the retard that didn't know the Dark Visor is the last upgrade in the game. You are either a hallucinating bot or a seething fecaloid just looking for a fight.
>>748852387idk, but there's only 9 of them compared to 12 in Prime 1
>>748852413FUCK OFF YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHITDARK VISOR IS IN LEVEL 2FUCKING SECOND LEVELEND YOUR LIFE
>>748832854Boomers had no standards back then and nostalgia is all they have now. Do the math.
>>748852509Damn, that's one embarrassing shitskin melty. And you even have two Whites telling you you're wrong!
echoesfags think this is good level design
>>748851830to be fair after you obtain the power bombs you have to fall back to get the xray visor. While doing so you can pick up the grapple hook followed by xray and an artifact. With the grapple hook you can get the plasma beam and with this the map is all yours except for one artifact that requires the Phazon Suit and the energy tank behind omega.
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>>748852712One of the artifacts is literally in the same room as x ray. And plasma is right next to Phendrana, where three more become available. Fags failed to learn the map and blame the game for their idiocy.
>>748852725Yes. Thank you for posting the promo art for the game I am currently playing.
>>748852884I remember that there is a pretty straight forward path from xray visor/artifact room to the plasma beam, from there you can pick up the other artifact in magmor and the power bomb tank, go further and get the super missile artifact and from there up the elevator to get the Artifact in the Flaahgra room and from there clear the rest of chozo ruins. The thing is anyone who plays this the first or the second time likely wont notice this. It's something you need multiple playthroughs for.
>>748852653>Connecting all those places? We don't do that here, go back to the light world if you don't like it.
