publishers being retarded isn't exactly uncommon and 2K is as retarded as they come

>>748848331
the team they put together was a piece of shit and they were based in the most expensive place of all times, if they picked 10 ex soviet dudes in bumfuck nowhere it'd be cheap as fuck and they'd actually deliver

so inclusive. as a black woman playing KSP, I finally feel seen.

Easy
>what the community wanted: add other solar systems
>what the game devs wanted: "let's add a girl kerbal"

>>748848331
By making a sequel in the first place
KSP should have been a forever game, like Rimworld and Terreria

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>>748848331
By sticking with the first games spaghetti code nightmare instead of remaking it from the ground up.

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>>748848331
Too bad the real sequel is also fucked and doomed to insignificance because of developer faggotry

>>748849291
>remaking it from the ground up.
They were to incompetent for that
It was a glorified DEI hire checklist, they had no real developers

>>748849291
they had like 3 community managers and 10 developers or someshit it was a money laundering scheme all along kek

>>748849402
having a problem with it not being on steam is pathetic

>>748849646
It NOT being on steam because of some anti-capitalist "principle" is what's pathetic

>>748849291
No, the problem was that the execs initially told the new devs to remake the old game from the ground up, to the point that they weren't even allowed to reference the old game's code, and then when the progress was slow and produced nothing playable, they were suddenly told to toss all of what they did out and quickly figure out the spaghetti code of the original to make something they can ship. As expected, neither approach worked out, because the execs are not programmers and understand nothing about the craft.

>>748849930
No, it's very based.
Having to make an account to actually download it, THAT is pathetic.

>>748849519
>money laundering scheme
Why do people always say this about video games? Do you even know how money laundering works?

>>748849248
>what the game devs wanted: "let's add a girl kerbal"
>what the community wanted: add other solar systems
Congratulations for confirming you never played the fucking game. Either of them really. Why would you even be in a thread for a niche game's dead sequel?

>>748848331
Is the staging bug fixed? The one where the game freezes for a second?

>>748848331
Step One: Fire Everyone
Step Two: Try to rehire them at reduced rates
Step Three: ????
Step Four: Profit

>>748849248
>the literal pitch and main selling point of KSP 2 was interstellar travel, which they'd need a fresh start in the engine to implement
>Valentina has been in KSP 1 for more than a decade

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>>748848331
Dumbshit publishers axing the project then restarting it from scratch and acting like they should be able to push it out the door in no time at all 'because they've been working on it for so long'

>>748850868
No its not "based" dipshit, its dumb ESPECIALLY when deep down its because the dev is having a melty because Icarus flopped and got called out for in on Steam so he is insulating himself because of those meenie steam gamers which is readily apparent with his "dont hurt our feewings" post in the forum rules

Its a fag move and yes doubly so when he requires you to sign up to his shit site to download his "free" game

>>748848331
not enough rockets attached to the cockpit

>>748852389
How would it actually improve the game if it were on Steam? What would I, as a gamer, gain from that? Do you have any answer to that which won't instantly expose you as a dumb zoomtard?

>>748852682
publicity

>>748852017
>>748850154
>>748848925
I followed this game for a bit, the publishers did certainly make some retarded decisions but this game didn't fail due to their meddling. The failure lies mainly on the shitty dev studio and its management. If anything, the publisher's main fuckup was being taken for a ride by the shitty devs and not reining them in sooner (aka what we're also seeing at Microsoft), had the publishers actually been more hands-on then they maybe could've salvaged something.

>publishers want a quick 'n' easy cashgrab sequel to KSP: take the same basic game, update the Unity version, tighten up the graphics on level 3, ship it
>shops around for a dev studio, settles on the one that gives a flashy style-over-substance pitch (arguably the one main mistake the publishers made)
>dev studio's project manager scope creeps out the ass, says that they're going to tack on MULTIPLAYER and INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL like these are just basic run-of-the-mill features you can add after the fact
>publishers agree (????)
>le epic prerendered CGI trailer comes out to hype everyone up
>studio, naturally, has no fucking way of delivering on what they promised
>publisher guts the studio and moves the game over to a new studio
>publisher hires a bunch of devs from the old studio, including the project manager (????) at the new studio
>predictably, same shit occurs
>publisher loses their patience and forces the studio to deliver something: hence, early access release with a planned roadmap to deliver remaining features
>early access release bombs, absolute dogshit performance, major glitches, and fewer features than KSP1
>studio flounders for a bit, releasing a few updates to try and reach parity with the first game (lol) and showing absolutely no signs at all of being capable of delivering on the new features
>publisher eventually pulls the plug and shitcans the whole team

Mismanagement all around but Take Two is not the bad guy here, they were just asleep at the wheel

>>748848331
I bought this shit during a bullish period in my life and now I regret it.

>>748852735
Ok, and how would that improve the game and what would I gain from that, dumb zoomtard?

>>748853002
>Mismanagement all around but Take Two is not the bad guy here, they were just asleep at the wheel
Anon, I....

>>748853350
1. not that initial anon
2. I'm 30
3. publicity means money, the drive for all our work in this great capitalistic system. NMS has been riding their release cash since now with tons of free updates.

>>748852682
>How would it actually improve the game if it were on Steam?
It would improve the game by giving it the gamut of steam features which are too numerous to list but include ease of use(installation and updates), workshop support, cloud saves and a host of other services
But this is a dishonest line of questioning so I wont be responding to your (you)

>>748853741
Ok, but how would it improve the game? KSP2 is on Steam, and it's total shit.

>>748853741
>Workshop support
You killed your argument the moment you said this. Workshop is a walled garden which is why more and more games are moving away from it in favor of third party of self hosted mod sites. BG3,Sins2,Factorio,the new shogun 2 remaster etc.

When a game is sold is available on more than just steam it makes workshop inaccessible to anyone that didn't get it from there.

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>>748852735
lmfao

Yeah good luck competing with the literal hundreds of other games released at the same time as yours. You might get lucky to show up on the store page for 30 minutes after you release your game.

>>748854094
More dishonest arguments
The workshop is not a walled garden and is just another self hosted mod site with integration into steam itself
Absolutely NOTHING stops mod authors from hosting their mods on other sites
So fuck off honestly, wont be replying again

>>748848331
hilarious how something as innocuous as kerbal STILL had to feature a bit h front and center

>gets killed right as the development starts looking actually promising
maybe im just naive but i do genuinely think this could have been a worthy successor to ksp

also promised worlds was kil like last month, so ksp2 systems never ever i guess

>>748854280
you don't exactly make your stance seem more popular by this. also steam highlights upcoming releases.

you really think I'll stumble upon your game by typing a random url until I get to your site? steam is always the best option.

>>748848331
They didn't use AI

>>748848331
>make cool game
>get acquired by take two
>take two makes a new company, fires all of the original devs, moves project to new company
>everything immediately goes to shit
like this

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>>748854765
Yet here we are discussing a game that isn't on steam. Steam is dogshit for publicity unless your game is already popular so it actually shows up in the popular tab. The way you get noticed is by social media and paying shills to play your game on twitch/youtube (Like KSA did)

The majority of steam games don't even get 100 reviews and have never been heard of by the vast majority of users. Releasing on steam isn't an automatic success and anyone saying it is, is retarded.

>>748855336
I'm sure the spiritual successor to KSP will gain a decent fanbase, especially if the fanbase doesn't have to move to another launcher

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>>748848331
>take a cult classic that is the paradigm of its niche
>promise a new game with new code and new capabilities that the old spaghetti code would be incapable of
>DON'T actually deliver on any of that and instead just make a marginally prettier KSP that reuses the code and runs literally 100x worse and brings flagship GPUs to their knees
>charge fifty (50) smackers for it

>>748858021
B-but it has a f-foid kerbal now!!!!

>>748858338
KSP1 had a foid kerbals since forever you fucking larper

>>748858338
they were in ksp too dipshit
fuck off back to twitter

>>748858642
>>748858663
that's a sarcastic lefty mocking a right wing complaint you autists. admittedly, he has a point

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>>748858965
fuck off retard

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>>748854280
>randomly pause at 10
>big breasted milky futa mommies 2

>>748849402
>over the top path traced graphics that kill every PC
>no gameplay yet, spent 99% of the time on le grafix
>didn't develop their engine with any networking in mind when the big anticipated feature of ksp 2 was multiplayer
embarassing

>>748859335
also
>dont even know how to develop a UI, still using imgui for everything after 2 years

>>748859335
>>748859428
Yeah its pretty clear why they wont release on Steam and want to work in a vacuum with no honest feedback or criticism, it would get ripped to shreds

>>748853002
This is accurate. t. KSP vet

Also worth mentioning that the project lead was an artist not a programmer or game designer, just because he played the most KSP of anyone at the studio.
And Take-Two didn't just can the studio working on KSP, they shuttered their entire indie-publishing branch and sold off all the IPs to holding companies.

>>748849402
Eh, it might come to Steam eventually when it's mature.
The builds they've been putting out thus far have been very early tech-demo type stuff, not worth paying money for unless you just want to donate. Had they released on Steam like that the reviews would have been awful.

>>748848331
Incompetent devs. Simple as. People are always so eager to blame evil capitalist managers, but in reality games are made and fucked up by the devs.

>>748848331
The development problems of KSP go all the way back to the original when Squad tried to pay all the American freelancers they hired Mexican salaries

>>748853002
>>748860902
>Take Two is not the bad guy here
I wouldn't absolve them entirely. Their whole idea for a "sequel" was essentially KSP1's original codebase but with some refinements here and there and an HD graphics mod, which, if KSP2's price during EA was any indication, would've been offered at $50. I can't imagine such a game, even if it was competently executed, would've gone over well with fans, and had such a game not been commercially successful in accordance to T2's standards, would've caused the Kerbal franchise to be shelved in a similar way. T2 set up the series for failure, The incompetent devs they commissioned just added their own breed of incompetence which accelerated the timeline.

>>748849248
>my ebin cultural war is le heckin reasonino i'm nooticing
bro has never touched KSP1

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Any expectations for KSA?

>>748862894
sex with cats

>>748862894
fading into obscurity

>>748853532
>I'm 30
So, a zoomtard

>>748862578
>CULTURE WAR CULTURE WAR I WON'T GIVE ANYTHING UP FOR THE CULTURE WAR
Stop adding shit nobody likes or even asked for then screaming and crying that nobody likes it then

>>748862894
I think it'll be good. It might not be as big as KSP, different time and that has strong appeal. But it's so moddable and shouldn't have the same problems as unity. Maybe we will play KSP in KSA.
Concerned that they're not seeing that the game needs to be fun and slightly silly/cartoonish but it's too early to judge maybe.

>>748863721
>Concerned that they're not seeing that the game needs to be fun and slightly silly/cartoonish but it's too early to judge maybe
This. The advanced UI and planning tool and some fuel lines they show all look really cool and all. But I wish they would just focus on making core of the game (design + flight + crash) first and only then start working on advanced QoL. I fear they might add a lot of neat stuff and burn out before they make a game out of this.

>>748862894
Kittens are almost as retarded of a choice as sausage people.

>>748864134
I think they are cute

hullo

>>748864283
There's something kind of uncanny about them that the Kerbals didn't have. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think it's the lighting.