A quarter of a century later and Viconia is still the best and only good WRPG romance.
>>748860849She is very kino
>>748860849>just fucking dies if you romance her even in her "best ending"Trash
>>748860849She's good but neither of those
>>748861196Death is still a preferable ending to what Larian did with her.
>>748861376Name your best, so we can engage in a shitflinging waifu war
>>748860849Aerie is better by the way.
>>748860849This is the same shit as Asuka vs Rei. We've been arguing about this since the dawn of time.Misato btw
>>748861736He can't, because as stated in the OP, Viconia is the best and only good one.
Dark elf girls are for male human paladins
>>748860849>best WRPG romance>it's a vapid whore with 4 digit bodycount
>>748863585What makes her great is precisely that she's not vapid and this is revealed in multi dimensional dialogue over the course of her romance. It is, unironically, great storytelling.She's terrible as far as wish fullfillment goes, unlike Aerie who is a loving virgin lets say, but she gains so much points in her excellent writing its impossible to ignore.
>>748863585>it's a vapid whore with 4 digit bodycountwho in baldur's gate DOESN'T have a fucking body count
>>748863952Aerie is a virgin and Jaheira has only ever been with Khalid.
>>748861390That's a false dichotomy thoughbeit
>>748864030Aerie was a sex slave and Khalid was heavily into cucking.
>>748860849yes, but she's an ugly jew now.
>>748864286Yeah right, I forgot I was on /v/ for a second.
>>748864312No, because she tragically died after changing from her evil ways.
>>748860972cute
>>748864367This. It's a retarded ending that doesn't happen to the other girls. Best girl or not, her ending is shit so her romance is shit.
>>748865274I disagree with the premise that the journey is worth nothing just because the ending is awkwardIt's a bit bitter but its not shit in that it doesn't betray the character (shit would have been "she relapses to evil and fuck you now she's Larian's version)Secondly the journey matters a lot in a 100 hours long game.
just use your going into games machine to have sex with her
>>748865425It is shit and you won't convince me it's not shit. It doesn't happen to the others. It doesn't need to happen at all. Your party is a bunch of fucking ultra killers and she arbitrarily dies to some basic bitch poison. Trash. If anything, I'd say spending 100 hours just to get shit on makes it even worse.
>>748865425>Secondly the journey matters a lot in a 100 hours long game.so does the destination what kind of busted logic is this
>>748865596As I said, I don't think the destination is good but I don't think its super terrible either.Iirc she still gives you a child, and you do change her alignment.So the payoff exists, its not a situation where there is no payoff to her romance. There's just a bitter part to it, one I personally dislike but that I don't think ruins the character or the romance.
>>748865847Ruining the romance and ruining the character are different things. The romance is absolutely ruined. The character is fine.
>>748866065>The romance is absolutely ruinedI disagree, for the reasons I just stated.I do not believe one thing I dislike ruins the whole romance. The romance still has all of its payoffs, so the journey was not meaningless, nor lacked payoffs.
>>748866662>I do not believe one thing I dislike ruins the whole romance.This is seriously dismissive and meaningless. It's like a buzzword, worthless. That "one thing" being she fucking dies for no reason? What if that "one thing" was her dumping you? One thing can absolutely ruin everything else, like your favorite sandwich but smeared with feces. It's just one thing!
>>748861390The lead writer of BG2 basically had a similar fate for her in his DMs Guild sourcebook.I think people really memoryhole just how bad Throne of Bhaal was.
>>748866756>That "one thing" being she fucking diesI value that much less than the change in alignment, the baby, or her opening up. Her living to a ripe old age is a less important payoff to me than her character development.You are free to disagree, of course, if you value an happy ending more, but I think her romance is still worth experiencing, and it wouldn't be if it was "ruined"In fact, this thread would have never even existed if it was truly ruined because people wouldn't be enjoying her romance decades later.
>>748866850I have no idea what you're talking about but Viconia's non-romance ending in ToB was perfectly fine
>>748861390Correct.Was a nice mod for Evil players that included a better epilogue for ToB.
>>748866873I don't like feces on my sandwiches so I guess we'll agree to disagree? K.
>>748866893She's still doing evil deeds for Shar in Minsc & Boo's journal of villainy. Under Shar's direction she's working with elemental cults that worship the Elder Elemental Eye.
>>748867058This is the second time you bring up feces, and it remains meaningless>This thread is a nice sandwich, and your posts are feces! Therefore I have proven you are ruining the thread!There, see? I called your argument feces so I won!Please keep your scat fetish out of it.
>>748867203Something that came out in 2021? What does that have to do with ToB's ending?
>>748867218Viconia's ending is trash, retard. Even you admit it but then you cuck out and say "umm well it's not too bad I'll just accept it the average happiness in the world increased :^)" you fucking loser.
>>748867369I don't think it makes her romance not worth pursuing, simple as.>happiness in the world It's my happiness anon, I am happy playing bg2 and romancing Viconia and a bad ending slide really doesn't ruin that happiness, therefore there is still value in her romance. I don't understand what's so difficult for you about this.
>>748867280Talking about the complaint regarding "how Larian handled Viconia"
Aerie was more my speed
>>748860849hehe
>>748865524I already did that. When I was around 13 or so I had a wet dream where I had sex with her and I still remember it.
Caring about two paragraph long ending slides in 100+ hour RPGs is retarded so I don't really give a shit about Viconia's ending or any of the companions endings in ToB. The actual important part is the shit that happens when you're playing the game not the 2 seconds right after you finish it.
>>748869835>Make party full of lawful good people and have kino classical good guy funHonestly my favorite playthrough
>>748869906
>>748860849>>748860972Eeeh I used to think so back in the day, but I changed my mind. Although I love her route, how she tries to change her ways to become less evil and such, I don't think she inspires much confidence.Hell man, she flirts with Sarevok while in an active romance with her in ToB, that's not a good sign.Which is why in the end Jaheira ends up being the best option. or just download the Imoen mod for the true, best option >>748862124>Misato btwSo Jaheira, in this context?
there will never be a pure girl for (You)
>>748873282Doesn't need to be a pure virgin yadda yadda, just a character that inspires confidence in the relationship. Aerie would be great if she didn't do the Haer'dalis thing while in a romance with her, too.
I WILL have a drow wife.
I WILL have a drow wife (male).
>>748877031When they talk about how drow are always backstabbing each other, I don't know if that's what they mean.
>>748877031I feel like genderbending magic is the sort of thing that would get you flayed and thrown in acid in Drow society.
>>748873480every romance option will talk about how much they want to fuck other people while you are pursuing them
>>748878795And the protagonist fucks Phaere
>>748860849
>>748869835>>748869835Faster than Chikitikka Fastpaws!
>>748873152>she flirts with Sarevok while in an active romance with her in ToBToB sucks and I unironically believe this to be out of character for her after the events of bg2
>>748860849I think the bg2 romances for Viconia and Aerie are very good for getting to know those characters, but the player side and what you can say to progress them feels a bit weak.Somewhat interesting with Viconia, but you don't exactly protray a compelling character, it's mostly gonna be down to your headcanon about who your character is.I think that's a problem with any interactive romance when you create your own character though, only one side is properly written.
>>748885081I mean that's an issue with crpgs in general, there are only so many replies you can give the player to work with, and because you will have all kinds of players the safest bet is to make them as generic as possible
>>748860849CRPGs died when the main (selling/talking) point became that of romance a genre made for women.
I think Aerie was better, but i love vanilla fantasy romance. You help her get over her trauma and she slowly becomes a fearless adventurer who always has your back and eventually falls for you.
>>748885081>it's mostly gonna be down to your headcanon about who your character is.Is that not what roleplaying is? Also, the main reason why I like voiceless protagonists the most, makes it easier for your mind to fill in the blanks.
>>748887703Aerie's romance was blatantly unfinished.Therefore, for me, it's Nalia.
>>748887815>Is that not what roleplaying is?Yeah, but I think it's a trade off you kind of have to accept instead of a better written romance story. >Also, the main reason why I like voiceless protagonists the most, makes it easier for your mind to fill in the blanks.Similar to graphical fidelity I think and one of the issues with remastering/remaking.Like a snes-era sprite gives you an idea of a character that can look many different ways when fully realized in 3D, so when a remake then settles on one way it'll be a downgrade for a lot of people.
>>748884968>ToB sucks and I unironically believe this to be out of character for her after the events of bg2Yeah I agree. ToB felt super rushed, and it has these awful fucking moments and dialogue sometimes. I mean come on, why the fuck would they put that in the game? It ruins her character development.Only reason I can think of is that shit was rushed and they didn't bother to not put that dialogue if her alignment changed/she was in an active romance with Charname.
>>748885081I think ideally you should be able to get to know more and have stuff like change alignments and such without having to romance the characters. Characters should have a 'friendship route'.
>>748863585Welcome to Western RPGs (and western Fantasy in general) anon. Glad to see you finally over that rock.
>>748889559wrpgs could learn something from persona
>>748873152Jaheira is funny because people talk about her being like an adoptive parent but her backstory means she's at most a couple of years older than Gorion's WardAerie even points out that's she's probably older than her and Viconia's well over 100
>>748889601>posts a woman with a grand total body count of one (1)Owlkeks will never stop being mindbroken by this bitch
>>748889675iirc even in her romance there's a harper who refers to her as "old friend" or something, and they note how they don't really know each other for that long, similar to how she's an "old friend" of Gorion.
>>748889559>>748889670Plenty of crpgs already do that, play something else besides the OG BGs
>>748889601Viconia's sexual history serves a very important storytelling purpose, you cannot remove it without destroying her character.Valerie's is just thrown in as a random fun fact that's not fun at all.
>>748889773old adventuring buddies was always just a cover story to hide that all of them were Harper glowies in the first place
>>748889675>>748889773The dialogues seem to imply at times she is considerably older, but it's weird since Khalid and her are only lvl 1. You'd expect them to be more experienced since they already seem to know so much and are well acquainted with Gorion and the Harpers.Only explanation I can think of is that it's just for gameplay's sake, since they didn't want a lvl 6+ character joining your party so soon.Also about Aerie being older than her, that's just because Aerie and Viconia are elves, while she is only half-elf.
woman-romancers who cry about body counts could never comprehend that Daeran is actually the best written WRPG romance
>>748889832I know, I didn't say anything about other CRPGs, just that BG should have it.
>>748890098annoying redditor, extremely overrated by homosexuals
>>748890159>annoying redditor, extremely overrated by homosexualsI said Daeran, not Regill
>>748890084Jaheira was smuggled out of Thethyr as a child when the king was overthrown which happened the same year the MC was born, she's at least within a decade of the same age if not only a few years
>>748890236they both are overrated, but at least regill doesn't spend 90% of his dialogue making unfunny jokes
>>748890084To be fair, her age was vague in BG1, but in BG2 she became a romance option, so she was then retconned to be younger than she seems.Also, some lore nerds did the math and it turns out that if we want to stick to canon lore, Jaheira would be 25 at best.
>>748890334>25Holy HAG
>>748890334Her age was never retconned, her bio always mentioned what happened in Tethyr and how druids raised her until she met Gorion and joined the Harpers.She acts older because she's extremely bitchy and jaded over events throughout her life.
>>748890334>>748890545>She only acts olderThat's kinda cute, it adds points to her gap moe factor. I like this explanation.
>>748890780even calls herself bitchy in her own words in her party dialogue with Mazzy
You guys think BG1+2 remake would be a good idea?
>>748891432Nope.It'll sell so it's a good idea for them, but it's a bad idea for video games and art as a whole.
>>748891432NoFuck no
>>748891432Why even ask a retarded question like that. There has never been a good remake of anything and there never will.
D&D sucked dick until 3.5 and then it went back to sucking dick
>>748891432There's already a bg1+2 remake idiot-sama
>>748860849I killed this old hag in BG3.
>>748891432Considering how things are nowadays, hell no. They'd 100% shit on everything. Modern D&D vibes are ruined, and they'd surely bring the same vibes to BG, as they did with BG3.
>>748891950Whatever the fuck that thing was, it was not Viconia.
>>748891950I let her live in BG3 for old times sake.
>>748860849Viconia's is good but doesn't involve impregnating my elf wife. How come no other game gets it right?
>>748892610you literally have a child with her
>>748892751I think he means how with Aerie you can actually get to her to have the baby in-game, and not just in the epilogue
>>748892751Yeah, in the epilogue text scroll. Meanwhile with Aerie you knock her up and raise a kid mid-adventure. I can't think of a single other game even making an attempt at something like this. Whole bunch of cowards.
Anezka (from VTM Redemption) wants to talk with you
>>748893227To be honest that'd be hell. Kid would die after the first fireball or cloudkill and such.It'd probably be better to just leave him at the pocket plane for Cespenar or one of the unused party members to take care of, and just check on him from time to time until the adventure was over with.
>>748860849>married three times>sold her body for protection while traveling>gangrape victimcan you imagine the reactions to her on this board if she was a modern character?
>>748893635
>>748893793Yeah. I suppose there's the possibility that this was just her trying to get under your skin so that you could lash out at her and make her prove her point to herself, or maybe that she was testing you, but it is quite NTR-y,
>>748860849Nicki Minaj?
>>748893793People can shitpost about this all they want but its one of the better written romance talks in the game, if not the best one outright.>>748893915There's no possibility, its what she's doing and even during that dialogue at several time she betrays how disgusted she is by herself.
>>748860849I always burn that bitch
>>748860849gave me a drow fetish when i was young. god i wish there were more games with qt drow, especially evil ones you can do dastardly things with.
>>748878795Except Jaheira I guess. She mentions Khalid, but it's understandable considering she just lost him and they were together for a good while.
>unashamed slut>crippled circus hooker>widow moving on way from her murdered husband too fast>the most annoying pussy-drying piece of shitBG2 romances are all bad
>>748894162>>widow moving on way from her murdered husband too fastthis meme has never been true even if you've been spamming it for 26 years (and counting)
>>748894162>unashamed slut>unashamedShe tries to drive you away from her by using her past, she is fully aware about how terrible it is.She gets extremely mad when you show her pity and tries to pretend she liked being enslaved and used, and then lies to you and exaggerates her own sexual history by saying stuff like "I whored my way to Amn" and that she was never really persecuted for being a drow, but for being a slut (which was comical, especially since we meet her in 2 as she's being persecuted... for being a drow). Then crumbles and admits she was mostly lying to try to disgust you and drive you away.If you think she's unashamed you have unironically not read any of her dialogue.
>>748894162Fair assessments of the character, but I think that's what makes them good.Anomen is the worst in terms of romantic fantasy because he sucks so much, but in terms of a character who is funny because of their smug hypocrisy, he's fun.
>>748894265BG1-2 takes place over a very short period of timeif I died, I'd want my wife to wait at least one adventure module before hopping on another dick instead of doing it in the same one I was murdered halfway through in
>>748894525BG2 takes as long as you want it to take, if it truly bothers you that much then spam rests until several years pass
>>748893542>Kid would die after the first fireball or cloudkill and such.Considering how powerful Charname and Aerie are when that happens I think they could keep a baby safe.
>>748894525You have to differentiate the limitations of the game with what the story is trying to convey.Yes, obviously the game takes too short for it to be realistic, but they still tried to pace it trought the romance talks. It's clearly not immediate.
Anyone try out the Nalia romance mod?
>>748894525Aerie can get pregnant and give birth within the span of a few days, I wouldn't think too hard about the passage of time in BG
>>748894727I just assumed she got pregnant prior to ToB starting.
>>748894508Anomen is interesting in terms of him changing his alignment based on how you handle his quest. Personality-wise he is a bit annoying, but I suppose he has a bit of that old classical-era movie vibe going on, which some people can find a bit entertaining or something.>>748894162I think their problems make them interesting. They are all broken in their own ways, and you can help them fix their problems, as they can help you with yours.The only thing I don't like is the fact that Aerie and Viconia flirt with other characters while on a relationship, that fucking sucks and detracts from the whole experience.which is why again, the best romance is the Imoen mod .
>>748894962>Aerie and Viconia flirt with other characters while on a relationshipI thought if you pass a certain threshold for Aerie before you meet the bard she doesn't do that? Or am I hallucinating.
>>748863585>not a virginWorthless
>>748894962Imoen romance mod literally turns the game into a rpg-romance, it's not comparable to the regular romances.
>>748889909>Viconia's sexual history serves a very important storytelling purpose, you cannot remove it without destroying her character.Sure you can, just make her a pure virgin. Anything that gets "destroyed" by fixing this is garbage that needs to be removed. There's nothing about a woman that improves by making her a public toilet.
I get that someone would pick her over aerie, but why tf would someone pick her over anomen, even without speccing into flail he is so much more useful that it isnt even competition
>>748894842that's what's supposed to happen but if you choose to wait her first romance event in ToB is different and that's when you bang herobviously ToB doesn't take the better part of a year so when Aerie goes into labor Jaheira's just like "yeah idk how Avariel pregnancy works" to handwave it
>>748895174can't impregnate anomen without mods
>>748892610Doesn't she get pregnant by the CHARNAME in one of her romanced epilogues?
>>748895174Who the fuck runs Anomen, what are you a faggot?
>>748895170>a drow being a virginutterly retarded unless she wasn't raised as a proper drow, which Viconia was
>>748895320yes but then Lolth assassins kill her and you can't resurrect her because the writer said so
>>748895170In real life, people having no flaws is better than people having flaws, the world would be better if no villains existed.In fiction, the best you can do is explore flaws. If you destroy a character removing flaws, you have made storytelling worthless. In real life your parents dying fucking sucks, but in a story having the protagonists parent die early can make for very compelling motivation. This ALSO applies to romance, and thus to bad things like sluts.I would never ever date Viconia IRL, but in a game she's written very well and in a very compelling manner.If you make her a pure virgin you destroy all the greatly written drama about her.There's a reason 20+ years later people STILL discuss Viconia and her romance.
>>748895436A+ post anon
>>748893982my wish would be>evil drow sisters>turn their ways with power of your big white cock >they are all over you and can't think of anyone elsefuck, need to find some drow r34 stuff now
>>748895351everyone who cares wants actually useful companion >>748895234why would anyone want to impregnate shit with worthless thaco and 3aps
>>748895502>thefarm.ruwhy are you still alive, ivan?
>>748895604bg2 isn't hard, even with SCS
>>748895502Man Bioware has been doing the whole portrait tracing things since forever huh
>>748895436>I would never ever date Viconia IRLCome on, bro. Let's be for real here for a sec.Viconia IRL wouldn't fuck one of the virgins posting ITT about video game dollies because she's miles out of a 4channer's league. You're right that you'd "never ever date" her, but it's because you'd "never ever" have a chance with her and not because of some moral reasoning.
>>748895787I meant, a woman with her baggage and mental issues (which there are tons, in everyone's league), not a 10/10 adventurer.Because I know that there is a 90% chance that she's unfixable and will ruin my life.Likewise, I won't try to redeem a murderer IRL but I will be invested reading about the protagonist of Crime and Punishment, or Jaime Lannister.The point is, my approach to fiction is different from my approach to reality.
>>748895787NTA but while that may be true, I suppose he means if it were within his realm of possibility somehow.I agree with him in the sense that yeah, personally I don't think I'd try to pursue a romance with her either, she is cruel and bitchy, but her drama makes her an interesting character.
>>748895787I'm sure the whores who sleep with arab billionaires and get shat on their chest would never look at me since I'm poor in comparison, but I still would never want one of them even if they wanted
>>748895436>If you destroy a character removing flaws, you have made storytelling worthless.If you give a character unforgivable flaws, like making a woman a non-virgin, you have only created a character that only exist to be hated. A story that needs those kinds of characters is not a story has any reason to exist.
>>748896370>you have only created a character that only exist to be hatedreally ironic to say this about Viconia who is by far the most popular of the three
>>748860849I like spine
>>748896565Yeah even overall outside of romances she was only second to Minsc
>>748896370> like making a woman a non-virginIt's not unforgivable and its not worse than characters who commit murder and whatnot. It's a flaw, its a flaw that in the past was a serious roadblock to marriage (yet not an insurmountable one) and that I wish was still considered a flaw today. But its not some unforgivable divine curse, it never has been, even if you read older stories. >Made to be hatedWho, Viconia? The one OP likes so much he considers her the best romance in western gaming?>A story that needs those kinds of characters is not a story has any reason to exist.I guess we don't need a villain either, according to your dumb logic
All romance in games with character creation is inherently shit because it's impossible to write a good romance that has to work with a blank slate. Dating sim elements in CC games are always trash and people who insist that they be in every game ruined the RPG fandom.
>>748896370>If you give a character unforgivable flaws, like making a woman a non-virgin, you have only created a character that only exist to be hated.
>>748889678The point is that even a tomboy autistic aristocrat, who was groomed from a young age to be a holy warrior and was sheltered from the world and also assumed to be in her early 20s, even THAT kind of character had to have a bodycount. And not only that, she also had to bring it to you out of the blue in an intimate moment...for some reason.Whole situation reminds me of Morrigan from DA. Young witch secluded innawoods and living with her mother, who equally was deemed imperative by the writers to also have a bodycount. Somehow.Now imagine what happens with female characters that have more liberal, "wonderlust" origins. Whole thing is textbook West. They take the purity autism of Asians and pull a 180 instead of offering an even hand.
>>748897013Do you think religious characters in Pathfinder take vows of celibacy or something?Shelyn (whose character and clergy Owlcat butchered btw) isn't a youth pastor telling you to leave room for Jesus while dancing. She's a love goddess in a threeway lesbian relationship. A person raised in her church would be encouraged to pursue romance.
>>748896370>If you give a character unforgivable flaws, like making a woman a non-virginYou need to get a grip and realize that this isn't /a/
>>748897493Valerie fucking hates ShelynShe had sex because she's a grown ass woman, religion had nothing to do with it
>>748897561>insult your goddess>get a hideous scar no matter whatdeserved really
the best romace is Alora
>>748897623She's not her goddess either, Valerie is an atheist that wants nothing to do with that religion, the entire quest is written like shit and makes the so called neutral good deity look like a borderline evil petty bitch
>>748897013I agree that it should not be mentioned out of nowhere but>was groomed from a young age to be a holy warrior and was sheltered from the world She's been living the past years as a godless mercenary on the road.
>>748897561What does that matter when I'm responding to an anon's claim that it's strange for a character raised to be a holy warrior to have sex?
>>748896865You know, I think about this sometimes, too. Maybe sometimes for CRPGs it's best to have a fixed character in terms of appearance and background that you can then decide how he acts, then to have a blank slate of a character. I think it makes the character and story feel more solid.It's THIS character, instead of A character.
>>748896594
>>748864324Jaheira cheats on Khalid in the canon novelization. Also Imoen is a lesbian and Minsc is an old guy with red hair. Canon BG1 party is Abdel Adrian, Jaheira, Viconia, Xan, and Korax the Ghoul.
>>748897653Why so small? here, have a larger version
>>748897653>season 2 announced >October 2027
>>748898747The novelization fucking sucks ass and nobody likes that shit. Every character there acts nothing like they do in the game, and Abdel can go suck a dick, and so can whoever wrote it.
>>748869835>Becomes a slut for your Bhaalcock in ToB beyond anything that Viconia ever doesBest girl.
>>748882210
>>748897682>the so called neutral good deity look like a borderline evil petty bitchthe goddess whose paladin code calls for them to only use violence as an extreme last resort and always believe an enemy can be redeemed and who is still trying to fix her extremely evil fucked up broken brother
>>748898646Blank slate CC is fine if the game is an open ended adventure focused on the setting and quests and factions in the world. If you want a character driven story, you need an actual character.
>>748898747>novelizationI don't give a shit about anything that's not in the game
>>748898747>canon novelizationlol you wishthe only thing that's canon from it is charname's name
>>748898747>Jaheira cheats on KhalidThat didn't happen in my game so it didn't happen.
>>748899741Yes like in Elder Scrolls, I agree.>>748899796I don't understand why they still try to push the novelization as being canon. Nobody liked it.Dude must be best buddies with some of the higher ups or something, because holy shit, they should've just buried and forgotten about it.
>>748898747In the novelization Minsc is a chef in Amn with an orange afro.
>>748895692>scs isnt hardoh, what will be next, ascension isnt hard? it is hard if you are not savescummer and decide to fix or not use obviously broken mechanics and if you dont use op main character it is very hardand that makes viconia is shit tier party member compared to anomen who is also capable fighter
>>748895436agreed, though i sure af wouldn't turn down an actual carbon copy of viconia in real life if that somehow happened. reminds me of that superhero game that released recently with blonde blazer and invisigal. pretty sure most people preferred invisigal even though objectively speaking, she's straight up worse. like i think she even betrayed the mc at one point, or maybe that was a double cross, i forgot. but the blonde chick was like perfectly kind caring strong no nonsense bullshit but came off dull to most guys in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ1gnuuRdjM
>>748901028>an actual carbon copyI guess in that case you know she can be sort of fixed because you operate on meta knowledge of her character. But if you saw a woman behaving the same way you wouldn't take your chances.
>>748895547>turn their waysfor me, i wouldn't ever want them to become completely good. they'd lose all the spice that makes the fantasy interesting. but just enough to get them to mellow out a bit and have a special place in their heart for (you).
>>748901028Problem is Viconia isn't caring and kind, more like the opposite, even if you change her alignment.She does have some kindness hidden in her, since she refused to kill a kid and she feels ashamed about her past, but she is still nasty and vicious to most other people, not to mention the potential lack of loyalty from her part.IRL she would be extremely hard to deal with in a relationship, specially considering most people here lack the charisma and assertiveness to do so.
>>748901028>like i think she even betrayed the mc at one pointNo, she you get the option to trust what she tells you or betray her yourself and leave her to die. She's still on your side even after your betrayal, but it costs you the relationship with her. People didn't mind her flaws as they were relatively minor and the story was clearly about helping her overcome them.>the blonde chick was like perfectly kind caring strong no nonsense bullshit but came off dull to most guys in comparisonShe lost all her popularity after not only being in a relationship with some other guy while leading you on and kissing you, but then dumping her boyfriend because she just got bored with him. She's a whore.
>>748901234>>748901415well, taking it a bit more seriously, i dunno how that setup would even go. how does the real world explain a dark elf with a different physiology than any human on earth, with a lifespan that'll be in the hundreds of years. and then i'm assuming she'd be a high level cleric as well. even if she can't call upon shar, her hp stats should be bonkers compared to a normal person. plus, she has innate drow magical abilities like calling upon darkness, or maybe that's newer dnd editions. and what would even make her approach you in the first place? probably the most "realistic" thing would be an isekai situation.>viconia gets teleported to the modern day world from a spell gone awry>she gets deposited somewhere in your neighborhood and wanders around for a bit>you stumble into her and she decides you're suitable enough to shelter with temporarilyif that shit happened, i wouldn't refuse. would very likely regret it in the end but hell if i'd turn down a hot af drow qt.
>>748869835I really liked Imoen.
>>748861390>let's bring Viconia back>HAHAHA I AM LOLEVIL AND THIS IS MY ONLY PERSONALITY TRAIT *twirls cartoon moustache*>let's bring Sarevok back>HAHAHA I AM LOLEVIL AND THIS IS MY ONLY PERSONALITY TRAIT *twirls cartoon moustache*what were they thinking
>>748902476that's an accurate Sarevok tho even down to him fucking random chicks
>>748903187>When his "I can fix him" gf asks you to kill his "I can make him worse" gf
>>748860849>good video game romance.No such thing.Fuck off, tourist
>>748869835>>748902447Is either Aeeire or Imoen if you want tight pussies
>>748902476Wotc is retarded. Seriously fucking stupid. Look at the orcs in the latest sourcebook. They're trying to erase anything problematic and a hot racist lady beloved by long time fans and a huge chad white man with a good storyline is problematic in today's landscape. Also Larian has never been able to write. They are marvel tier at best. So of course those two were boiled down to evil and lame by those retards.
>>748904498>Sarevok>WhiteBro....
>>748904498>Sarevok>good storylineBro....
>>748904498BG3 gives you two hot racist ladies and lets you play a hot racist lady
>>748904498>Sarevok>manHe's a god, thank you.
>>748904792There are no hot women in BG3. People who think that elf girl is attractive are seriously lowering their standards.
>>748904826You're welcome
>>748904826he's a retard is what he isguy's plan was dumb
>>748902476>sarevoksarevok in tob is competent fighter which is much more useful than single class cleric
>>748860849If Viconia was made in a vidya game today people here would have made thousands of cuckpost about her just like Shadowheart, laezel Yrilet and Arueshale.
>>748906606yeah we know zoomers are retarded
>>748906606>mfw my favorite girl isn't a love interest, but that also saved her from being shitposter bait
>>748906606>Viconia got FARMERed
>>748906606Viconia is like Wendog in that she actually tries to cuckold you though
>>748906606>YriletNot a romance. it's more like a humiliation ritual for thinking GW would allow you put benis in xeno vagina
>>748906947Might i ask who she is
>>748869835>pathetic wingless carnieno thank you
>>748860849>Viconia is still the best and only good WRPG romanceTrue, but only because you cannot romance Fall-from-Grace
>>748907634I thought she was a romance. granted i gave up halfway playing because of the shitty graphics and words galore
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>>748869835Aerie was gangsta AF. >Gives birth to your child in the middle of nowhere>Says "no biggie" as she straps the kid to her back and continues murder-hoboing with you
>>748906606Yes, and...?
>>748860849Editing Viconia into a Fighter/Cleric and romancing her with my Lawful Good Paladin MC was the most fun I ever had with BG2.
>>748869835I like it when she crits.>"Oh MY!"Like she didn't even mean to. She feels bad for hurting someone!
>>748901136The Copper Coronet aimmssss to pleeaaaseee.
>>748902476They completely ignored ToB Sarevok character development for some reason and brought back the BG1 villain.With Viconia I have no idea whatsoever. Doesn't look like Viconia. Doesn't sound like viconia. Doesn't act like Viconia. It's like someone renamed a random NPC at the last minute for name recognition, which is so weird because Jaheira and Minsc are fine. Overall very odd.
>>748904498>Wotc is retardedAbsolutely this. Fuck WotC and what they did to BG and DnD in general.
>>748906482A single class cleric becomes a competent fighter, you just have to cast 8 buff spells every time a fight starts.
>>748912896>>748906482ToB fucking sucks
it's a shame I'm a lowborn not worthy of the best gril
>>748912896the stupid Minsc journal book said Sarevok tried being good but it was too hard so he lived as a beggar until one day he started worshipping Bhaal again or some shit so I guess that's what Larian went with. Also it made him immortal again for some reason
>>748902476>>748912896I legit abandoned BG3 because of this. I could tank what they did to Minsc, the poor bastard was always the low hanging fruit for flanderization in the series, so it was expected.But seeing what they did to Viconia and Sarevok was too much. Vic was turned into an old hag that completely disregarded her whole backstory (she basically tells Shar to fuck off in her ending), and Sarevok too was completely hollowed out and made into HAR HAR I'M EBIL MAN FROM OLD GAME, 'MEMBER?Why the fuck did they do that? I actually think none of the fuckers who wrote BG3 actually played the old games, because ain't no way someone who actually knew those characters would willingly desecrate their image so much.
>>748912896Maybe it would be cool if the game did a little fakeout, saying that that thing was Viconia, but then by the end of the quest the real Viconia would appear and help you defeat her and the rest of the Shar cult, telling Shadowheart to be careful with who she pledges herself to.Maybe she could keep her identity secret, just hinting she was the real Viconia and the other one was an impersonator or something.
>>748902447So did Ireniucs lol.
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>>748913216>less thaco, less hp, no apr from fighter level, no apr from spec>competent fightersure>>748913217tob is great, gives you alot of good fights and loot and fights to use the loot without as much talking bullshit as vanilla and ascension gives you top tier final fight
>>748913287Well, either you reject divinity, in which case the terrible canon ends up with you becoming a duke, or you embrace it, in which case all that shit doesn't matter so it's fine.
>>748913216at super high levels the game breaks entirely and sanic fast melee attackers reign
>>748914947a diablo clone is exactly what I want out of my Baldur's Gate experience
>>748914947>good fightsNo it gives you hordes of fodder to instantly delete with your bullshit HLAs. There are no good fights in ToB.
>>748915212>rtwp with 6 man party>diablo clonethank you for your insight, but instead of bg you should play some trooning simulator>>748915729there is alot of great fights in tob, ascension is epic, demogorgon is also fun, abazigal is ok, party at wk seals is goodyou will never know, because your are casual savescummer
>>748907634Should I finally play PlanescapeIt's been on my backlog forever.
>>748917352do you like reading?It's a great story with great dialogue, but it has a LOTsetting is cool as fuck toogameplay is tertiary, and is pretty minimal compared to similar CRPGs
>>748917629Depends, is the dialogue interrupted with a wide variety of dialogue options I can use to interject, or is it just text spewed at me which could have been a book?
>>748861390was it really larian? or was it hasbro, or maybe both?
>>748913287There are mods for that. Pretty good ones, too.
>>748920119It was both
>>748920119>>748920306It was both for sure. Hasbro/WotC doesn't care, and I'm absolutely sure it was well within the reach of Larian to alter whatever they wanted if they wanted, including making a story that respected the original series, they just didn't care about the series either since it's not even theirs, so they just did a reskinned DoS.
>>748860849I install the Imoen romance mod every playthrough.
>>748921925>I'm absolutely sure it was well within the reach of Larian to alter whatever they wanted if they wantedlol you don't know WotC, it's one of the reasons for them falling out, Larian prefers to have more control over what they can do.
>>748921925>>748922679I would believe the "Larian is innocent version" if it wasn't for a simple fact:Viconia is the villain of Shadowheart's storyline, the shiny new waifu. This CAN'T be a coincidence, this was a deliberate move to have the new replace the old.
>>748860849I fucked this one up cause I played as an Elf and it took me all the way till after Imoen to realise that I hadn't gotten any of her flags because of my race... Then my second best girl got hitched with the faggot bard and I was left alone
