How are Blizzard able to disappoint so consistently?
by hiring people that don’t respect the legacy of their franchises
Because Blizzard is run by Californian numale devs that are completely insolated from any outside criticism and believe they know best to an authoritarian degree.
>>748862881>you think you do, but you dontj allen brack was right. but then again he always is right.
I'm having a blast
>>748863429NO BLAST-HAVER YOU
How bad is RMT going to be in this
>>748862881the equivalent of hiring someone that's never driven a care to design a racing game
>>748863709I think there'll be gold selling, just because in-game money seems hard to make and so some people will buy it. Does it even affect you if people buy gold?
>>748862881Trannies and women.
>>748863709probably not as bad as it was in 2019. no gdkp and a vendor that sells endgame profession mats at a fixed price with no inventory limits will price gouging on ah. there’s already some rmt drama in beta somehow though lol.
>>748864098will prevent price gouging*
>>748864098>no gdkp and a vendor that sells endgame profession mats at a fixed price with no inventory limits will price gouging on ahyou mean it will fix the price to just below the vendor price.
>>748864284I'm willing to spend the 1 extra gold to make the kike seethe.
>>748865892>could have been 50g>instead i'll pay 100glol
>>748866015>50g difference is "just below vendor price"ESLs hours it seems.
>>748863709It's already becoming a problem in the beta.
>>748866136Whoops, fucked that up. Dont care, you're still a 3rd world ESL.
>>748863709depends if they actually crack down on it like they said. they're taking in game measures like the black market capping valuable materials but what really needs to happen is public enforcement
>>748866201>shills for Blizzard>calls others 3rd world
>>748866387>mad that people are less incentivized to buy goldSorry Chang, you lost.
>>748863709There's people already swiping on a fucking limited time beta where everything is going to be wipedthat's how bad it is
>i enjoy group play and healing therefore a lot of dungeons>blizzard: noThey literally removed any reason to level outside of a DPS spec and everyone clapped.
>>748862881It's the skill that they have honed over the years
>>748862881>disappointNigga... You will never emulate being a kid without worries again. No matter how much wowslop you play
>>748866201No me
>>748863709Blizz can't ban the gold bots or their profits plummet, that's probably like 80% of the playerbase
>>748866817sorry joao, you can't feed your family by botting ZF clears for people
>>748866985>i enjoy healing>oh so you enjoy the literal 1 button dps classThis is your brain on blizzard cum
>>748862881My options are 1. Turn shadows on low so the world isn't covered in pitch blackness shadows but I CAN'T FUCKING SEE BECAUSE THE FOG IS SO FUCKING STRONG ITS LIKE I HAVE CHLORINE VISION2. or!!! Turn shadows on to reduce the fog which is nice but I AM VITAMIN A DEFICIENT AND LIVE IN DARKNESS WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD FIX YOUR SHIT I CANT SEE SHITTT IM GOING FUCKING INSANENEEE OOOOHHOH AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIGGERMAN FUCK MEEE
>>748866880okay retardi'm sure the unmentioned rampant bots, megaservers, sharding and completely rebalanced pvp scaling has nothing to do with it
>>748866817My wow forever enthusiast friend who keeps trying to get me to tag along told me they fixed shared exp in one way or another.
>>748867106try increasing settings to "good".. if you can handle it, that is
>>748867106Is this actually retail? LOL
>>748867227Problem, scalelet? *unsheathes 3 foot lizard cock*
dei hires
>>748863362Post you're stockings.
>>748867106Payo you need to calm down my little man we get it you have a problem with the gamma.
>>748863362>nobody wants classic>that's why it brought in millions of players>because nobody wants it
>>748862881Isn't this game doing so well that GTA VI is dead on launch and has zero hype?
>>748862881I took one look at the assassination tree and noped out. SF backstab was the absolute most fun I ever had playing PvP in wow and these morons just copied what turtle did instead of making real improvements to what made assassination fun to play. They keep trying to sidestep using backstab as the main move to pander to retards who can't do it right, with stupid fucking moves like mutilate and trying to shoehorn poison as a build focus.It was just so fucking satisfying getting caught out of stealth and still being able to run up to someone and crit gouge + crit backstab and I already have a 5sec kidney shot on them. It rewarded you so much for being skilled enough to consistently hit someone's back. And having 120 energy to top it off was just peak. They'll never be able to give me an experience that fun again, they just don't have to ability to change the balance in a way that makes that build as good.
>>748867106This image is more frightening than any horror game of the past 5 years.
>>748862881Forever looks great, you just want to bitch to bitch.
>>748868998rogue has been reworked completely and the beta is an older build, they talk about it in the class deep dive.
>>748870265>rogue has been reworked completelywhy would you want that moron
>>748867608
Will I be able to destroy any of you noobs as a frost mage or have blizzard destroyed the number 1 1v+ world pvp class?
>>748870613I see pussy to put my dick into, you feel "oh no she's superior to me".
>>748870648>I see pussyAnon...
>vendors that sell mount speed increases>BOEsharro I gold seller I ruin your game!
Warlock, Mage, or Hunter.What should be my first class.
>>748870910whats your goal? mage is probably the most versatile of the 3
>>748870949Establishment is my goal. I want players to need and want me. To desire my power.
>>748871001Play healer
>It's 2026>I just now learned this on-hit can critThis is what it's like being a retard I guess.
>>748871001definitely none of those then, in fact people will be actively wanting to turn you away if you play hunter
>>748871078>>748871085I want you to kneel before my power.
>>748862881>all they had to do was have High Elves for Alliance and Blood Elves for Horde, it was really that simple>the fucktarded mass of ambulatory shit that is Metzen suddenly screamed "LET'S DO A RACE OF ELVES THAT LIVE UP IN THE SKY TEN MILES HIGH AND CAN BE ON BOTH SIDES!!!">the entire dev team drops to their knees and sucks his cock in worship
>>748871141You will be my heal bitch, now roll a fucking female nightelf priest assboy
>>748871141warlock and mage have money making opportunities in their skills, but no dps class is going to be 'wanted' like thatbeing a well geared paladin might, given how strong paladin tank and healer is
>>748870910uninstall wizardwhy would you play this garbage
>>748871221>>748871238I want every player to form a queue begging for my help.
>>748871273Because they recognise me as the super being that cannot be stopped by their pathetic whims.
>>748871273get a warlock to level 20, then get two alts to a popular location. scarlet monastery is a good pick. run a taxi
>>748871319>buy 3 accounts goybuy an ad faggot
>>748871273Oh, then mage.People will beg you for water.
>>748871273priest is the class you are looking for, unironically
I want to play mage and 1v3 people like Vurtne.
>>748871381having played priest in original vanilla classic and in the 2019 run, you don't get worshiped. you get popular, but people don't beg you for shit like that anon wants
>>748866663Blame the streamers who are doing shit like hosting 100k prize pools for level 30 duels or whatever. It just makes desperate people do desperate things
>>748871381Will I gain absolute power as an Undead male Priest?
>>748871479>playing a male healerthis one gonna squeal reeeel good
>>748871273Warrior
>>748871509Do you seriously think a lamentable being like yourself could defeat the full power of an undead male shadow priest?
>>748871562female undead have better casting motions and can run the gamut from cute to ugly
>>748871606I will destroy you.
>>748871638should play a rogue with this attitude
>>748871509we'll see who will be squealing
>>748863035Or their customers.
>>748862881Sounds like a you problem. I'm not disappointed at all.
>>748871671Do not underestimate my power, anon.
>>748867106Maybe stop having a shitty computer from 2009? How the fuck are you having issues?
>>748871858Probably with the hideous new artstyle and "modern AAA" lighting that makes everything look worse
>>748871790>I'm not disappointed at all.
>>748871948have they implemented weather?
>>748871948>anti soul gas: 100/100
>its the private server fag whining again
>>748871948>>748871993Yes, the one on the right is literally what it can look like with rain it's like a dark fog. Here's a normal night time server picture.
>retail graphics>retail races>retail UI>retail megaserver>retail sharding>retail layering>retail writing>retail transmog>retail achievements>retail item sets>retail balance>retail devs>retail cash shop
>>748872056it would be cool for it to be that dark if it wasn't a settlement, that shit needs some torches or something
>>748871982here you go brother I got a new image for you to use. I made it myself years ago.
>>748872056>cant see 1 foot in front of you>can see the mountains a mile awayNice lighting
Blizzard won, chudley.
>>748872104This is like the darkest it gets and its like real late at night to reach it. Most of my screenshots are during sunset/evening server hours so I don't really have a true day time one besides this one. People are using the weather and bad graphic settings to exaggerate their opinions though.The game looks beautiful.
>>748872090Hahahaha is this what the "skyborne" zone is actually like? Holy shit, the youtubers soifacing over wow forever are so fucking disingenuous to ignore this.
>>748872135No offense, but I can easily see both. Maybe see an eye doctor? >>748872104>>748872186Also heres a picture with the camera to the left. There are torches and lighting for the settlement. I specifically took a darker picture.
I'm having so much fun. Levelled 3 classes to lvl 20 on BETA alone. I bet 4chan guys are very angry.
I watched shillup and he praised it. What's wrong with Forever? Just seem like classic with extra stuff to not make it boring
>>748872223Why are you replying to yourself? Those pictures are too tiny to even see and read.
>>748870265The only thing I really want is to be able to play SF backstab with largely the same talents I could get in classic, with 120 energy being more accessible without being forced to wear 5/8 tier1
>ultra popular>everyone except /v/ loves itDid chuds lose again? Oof.
>>748863709Worse than it's ever been. No GDKPs, no WoW Tokens, and one megaserver mean you won't be able to get big gold, nor buy it legitimately, nor farm it more effectively than bots. Gold buying will be a necessity. That said they'll probably add WoW Tokens after six months when they see how much gold is being bought.
>>748872365The only people who truly seem upset are low IQ or private server players.
>>748872298Is that fake, then? I can't read the screenshot dialogue boxes either but i believe it
>>748872090It's funny how easily you can tell how insufferable whoever made this is. Also imagine caring about writing in an MMO lmao
>>748872512I'm glad he made that because now I know to never, ever play wow forever
>>748872437I haven't done a skybourne yet but I know this is a private server fags ragebait picture hes been using for 2 weeks now. You'll know it's him because hes the only one that keeps repeating "cataclysm".As far as I know about this final quest is literally the elemental god is pissed and attacks their homeland or something. Hence why they must go out into the rest of azeroth and join forces with the horde and alliance. You stand there as a nobody and see others defend but that's about it you aren't part of the battle or anything.
>>748872559I am playing it right now. How mad are you?
>>748872186>The game looks beautiful.It's the same but with volumetric fog you mongoloid, it's hideous
>>748872559Why? Every new quest I've experienced so far has been really good. Durotar is smooth as fuck leveling now with the new spiders on the left side, naga and child you kill up north and the elites that give quests. RoL is really cool and so is the paladin level 20 weapon quest.
>>748872261You paid $60 for that? lmao retard
>>748872590Same, except an actual classic+ without all the retail shit. Also it's free. LOL
>>748872598No? The new lighting is huge, so is the weather coming back.>>748872645No I paid almost $200.
>>748872512>It's funny how easily you can tell how insufferable whoever made this is. Also imagine caring about writing in an MMO lmaoImagine defending modern Blizzard's failed attempt at giving people what they really want lmao
the refund process is very easy, happy to have my 60 back. this shit is trash and every patch even in the beta has been 2 steps back. Blizzard is retarded, and the current playerbase sucks to be around.
>>748872707>No? The new lighting is huge, so is the weather coming back.No it's just AAA dogshit lighting and fog over everything, same garbage they put in the OoT remake. Likely all farmed out to asset factories in SEA
>>748872712>failed attempt>They're set to make over 30 million in the first monthK.
>>748872679noooo its not real classic+
>>748872576I didn't want to believe it but i looked up "skyborne starting zone" on youtube and its all literally true>>748872590Not very, although i shan't be joining you>>748872619Because this betrays the wow forever team's design philosophy and allows you to predict that the rest of their additions will be complete dogshit. No classic fan wants instanced roleplay cutscene quests where you beat a raid boss alongside NPC heroes in a level 1-10 zone. Its the complete opposite of everything that was promised.
>>748872707>No I paid almost $200.
>>748872742I don't know why you keep calling it "AAA dogshit lighting" as if AAA lighting isn't what has been some of the biggest most important graphical upgrades ever since we moved to 3D graphics lmfao. Are you 15 years old? You clearly also know nothing about creating games which makes your complaints even more dumb.
>>748867106>Not making it look like Warcraft 1.Shiggy Diggy.
>>748872747see>>748871982
>>748872753>I didn't want to believe it but i looked up "skyborne starting zone" on youtube and its all literally true>No classic fan wants instanced roleplay cutscene quests where you beat a raid boss alongside NPC heroes in a level 1-10 zone>where you beat a raid boss>where YOU beat a raid boss>I didn't want to believe it but i looked up "skyborne starting zone" on youtube and its all literally true
>>748872780>as if AAA lighting isn't what has been some of the biggest most important graphical upgrades ever since we moved to 3D graphics lmfaoThere's no way this wasn't written by a bot, how could an actual human lack this much self awareness
>>748872780>You clearly also know nothing about creating gamesApparently neither does Blizzard LMAO
>>748863709Nightmarish
>>748872512>Also imagine caring about writing in an MMO lmaoCurrent retail doesn't need decent writing because it's a instanced lobby game where you sit in a city waiting for your queue to pop to then teleport into an instance. Classic is about the world, and part of what makes you care about the world and your character's place in it is the writing.
>>748872852What exactly were you trying to convey with this post?
>>748872856This guy is having an absolute BLAST
Blizzard Chads won4chan incel lost
>>748872918Nobody read quests back in the day because nobody cared about the reason for why an npc needed 5 boar cocks, larper. It was all about the vibes and community
>>748872762I know for a third worlder like you it's a lot of money but to a normal well off white dude with lots of expendable income it's irrelevant to me. I just did the math and after paying all my bills, adding money to savings, buying groceries and eating out etc. $200 is 7% of my remaining left over money at the end of the month. I could buy like 14 copies of the CE for a month and it wouldn't matter to me. I don't even have a super impressive salary or anything I was just smart and bought a house in 2015 (when you were like 8) and have a girlfriend who makes equal pay. I buy stupid stuff pretty much once a month at minimum. Pic related, my dumb purchase a from a few months ago, then I spent another $1000 on accessories for it at the same time. You can sit and seethe and laugh and cry all you want. I'll just be chilling with my friends in discord playing Forever having fun like we did 20 years ago.
>>748873065>Nobody read quests back in the dayYou weren't even born then
>>748873065>he didn't know we were collecting bear cocks for his mom
>>748873075>No, I paid almost $200.
>>748872856...are you trying to tell me lighting isn't the most important feature to 3D graphics? I mean, what the fuck are you trying to argue here? I actually do 3D modeling and make games lmao.>>748872890That right model looks nothing like Warcrafts art style. >>748872961...you literally don't fight a raid boss. You just witness a fight you do not participate.
>>748873075Ah yes, the quintessential behavior of someone who is not mad at all.
-streamers pretend to like WoW again for money-quit the game after a month.very genuine excitement, guys.
>>748872960>>748873127And I'd do it again.
>>748873075Based and 401k pilled
>>748863709>How bad is RMTanon, you can already buy gold for less than $0.50 per gold and it's fuckin beta. BETA and it's already this bad
>>748873182based
>>74887319150 cents per gold? thats ridiculous. what are they spending it on?
>>748873137>...are you trying to tell me lighting isn't the most important feature to 3D graphics? I mean, what the fuck are you trying to argue here?I'm laughing at you because you think this unfitting lighting is an upgrade at all when it looks worse than what a single modder could do in an afternoon
>>748863709Don't worry, Blizz said that they will ban anyone who sells, buys or even receives RMT gold.
>>748873190This guy gets it. Little kids don't understand because $200 to them is life changing amounts. For me it's a hand of BJ or Baccarat while I'm already set to have my house paid off and ready to retire by 50.
>>748873137>That right model looks nothing like Warcrafts art style.If the only Warcraft "style" you're aware of is Retail wow
i haven't even got one lvl20 yet and i'm already sick of it
>>748872707>so is the weather coming back.they just nerfed the rain btw and more people will cry about it being hard to see and they will continue to nerf it until its barely even there. enjoy your vibes while they last.
/v/ will get mad at me, but I legitimately didn't purchase the beta because of the streamers (including the obvious one you can probably figure out)
>>748873137>...you literally don't fight a raid boss. You just witness a fight you do not participate.Okay, do you really want to argue semantics like that? Doesn't matter if you fight the monster or the NPCs have a roleplay fight during your instanced quest. Either way, the hyper inflated stakes at level 10 and retail wow design philosophy is the antithesis of what was promised. Kinda disappointing because i was coping that it would turn out good, but at least i saved myself some money and time. Now I already know it will be shit from a short video.
>>748873182>No, I paid almost $200.
>>748873292you played less than 2 hours so just refund it
>>748873182pserfs hate him!
>>748873075
>>748873075why are you so insecure? If youre going to have a blast regardless why are you trying to defend an ugly game? If the game was so good you wouldnt have to talk about you stupid motorcycle.
>>748873247I don't understand your argument, you keep moving the target lmao. Now it's "unfitting lighting" and not AAA lighting? Honestly your whole argument sounds like you're probably 17 man.>>748873291Show me a similar Warcraft knight that looks like the retard on the right. Because most looks like the style on the left and always has.
>>748873075>You can sit and seethe and laugh and cry all you want. I'll just be chilling with my friends in discord playing Forever having fun like we did 20 years ago.level cap was just raised to 30, so interesting that you are in this thread replying to everyone instead of "chilling with your friends in discord"
>>748873338i've played for two weeks and didn't pay shit, i've done 1-20 a million times two new dungeons and the west side of tirisfal glades don't do it for me
>>748873316Yeah I'm already getting annoyed by them listening to people because they seem to be listening to the loudest retards. >>748873320>Okay, do you really want to argue semantics like that?Yeah, of course. I typically don't argue on made up points which is what the entire argument was.
>>748873379I just got home from playing hockey and I'm eating a meal real quick before I hop in the shower. I'll be up for another 7-9 hours so I have plenty of time to get back to leveling.
>>748862881if you keep expecting anything from SöyINC thats on you
>>748870613Would
Look how much having money and fun makes them seethe.
Yeah, I am just going to keep playing and having fun and giving money to blizzard until I get bored, haha.
>>748873434I wasn't really making an argument with my initial post. Just saying I won't play forever because it looks bad. And it looks bad because of the instanced nu-wow quests already being inserted into it.For your elucidation i dislike it regardless whether you, or an NPC fights a raid boss at level 10 haha.
>>748873374>Now it's "unfitting lighting" and not AAA lighting?You think AAA lighting slapped over 2004 graphics isn't unfitting? Why are you playing dumb, shill?
>>748872707>I paid almost $200.only 200? wow, what a poor fag
>>748873545>Just saying I won't play forever because it looks bad. And it looks bad because of the instanced nu-wow quests already being inserted into it.Can you name these quests because I haven't experienced anything like that.
>>748873541Yeah
>>748873571You keep saying AAA lighting as if it's a sudden existing thing or that World Of Warcraft is somehow not AAA. You literally are just saying buzzwords and have no argument because you're a teenager with no intelligence.
It's over, 4chan. I won.
>>748863803Yeah, you’re locked out of the best raiding guilds and have to fight for scraps. I happen to know that virtually every top-tier guild was buying money in Classic/SoD. The game is simply too grindy but no one wants to admit that they’re not HARDCORE enough to put the time in.
>>748873374>Show me a similar Warcraft knight that looks like the retard on the right.based retard jeet shill
>>748873572what costs 26.56?
>>748873613>You keep saying AAA lighting as if it's a sudden existing thing or that World Of Warcraft is somehow not AAA.Can you speak English please Raj
>>748873576No i can't name the quests because i haven't played it and i will never play it. But just go make a skyborne character if you want to experience it.
>>748870613The art has never been the problem at Blizzard. Every Hearthstone card is worth at least five good seconds of appreciation. They’ve been killing it in the art department for decades now.
>>748873640its mostly mounts and tmog shit with the occasional toy.
>>748873614Congrats!
>>748873584>>748873541>>748873572actual subhumans lol
>>748873320You people really get this angry over an early level quest line being more than collecting boar dicks and killing someone that slightly annoyed the quest giver?
>>748873681>The art has never been the problem at BlizzardAnother shill trying to control the narrative
>>748873712Hah, I bet the schmucks pay property taxes too.
>>748873624So your reference is an art picture of a dude from like 1000 years ago? No actual in game graphics reference? Lmfao
>>748873687ah, probably 25 plus tax theni don't get it desu. i mean if you liked a mount and used it all the time sure. but buying them just to have them? i don't have a packrat in my soul so i guess I don't get it
>>748873736I don't know, i'm not really angry. I'm just not gonna play it, ok?
>>748873662Oh shit I've been arguing with the private server fag. No wonder it's been nonsense the whole time.>>748873664So you're pissed off about something apparently in the game, but you haven't played the game nor can you show me reference of it in the game? Meanwhile, I, have played the game, and can tell you all sorts of new quests that were added and how they don't have any of those qualities or issues you're worried about. Interesting.
>>748873736You understand people want this to be a continuation of the boar dicks collecting right? That's the entire audience for classic+. Nobody wants retail.
ITT:
>>748873807>gets btfo>P-P-P-P-RIVATE SERVER SAARRRRrent free lmao
>>748873834Why are they so butt hurt
>>748873812Classic didn't have anything more grandiose than bear asses?
nerfing omen of clarify and dungeon mob and quest made me realize the game isnt for people who want to heal through dungeons and i am expected to grind mobs in healer spec or waste gold swapping specs and I just refuse. thanks for the warning signs out the gate Blizz
>>748871741please tell me that thing on the left is boomkin shape
>>748873901No, and that's how we liked it. Nobody wants on-rails single player cinematics that ruin the lore and the immersion. Nobody wants linear, perfunctory questing.
>>748872742Which A or AA lighting should they have used instead?
>>748873879It's a stage of grief or some shit. Who cares? Their shitting and pissing themselves over Forever's success is entertaining.
Why are retail lovers confused when people dont like WoW forever (retail)? Theres some strange disconnect where they infect something that isnt theirs and get defensive. Like yeah man obviously you like the retail armor, the retail water, the retail fog and the blue elves. Literally the entire argument is classic shouldnt be retail and you are saying, nuh uh. Why are you even arguing whats the point?
>>748873746Not a shill. The shills are the ones defending the BLM propaganda shoved in the game. I can just appreciate art like this.
>>748873956Looks like it's the travel form. Are you stupid?
>>748873807Are you the same guy from earlier who was arguing semantics? Clearly you've seen the quest i'm referring to and you're pretending that you haven't... for some reason. Must mean that you agree its shit, otherwise you would just say you liked it lololol
>>748873972That one that the game already had you fucking idiot>mfw imagining how clever you thought you were coming up with that gotcha
>>748873137>That right model looks nothing like Warcrafts art style.Neither does the left
>>748874009>I can just appreciate art like this.hideous
>>748873834>>748873879turtletrannies can never let it go
>>748874007Yes, it's retail because it has retail water. That's exactly why it's retail. I don't know why you don't see retailwhen you see retail. Retail retail retail.STOP LIKING IT IT'S RETAIL HAHAHAHAMeds, schizo.
>>748874090>retail water.and everything else
>>748873712>He's too poor and has to slave away farming gold
>>748874115>missing the pointShut the fuck up, retailtard.
>>748874153>You don't want to eat shit?!! You're too POOR to eat shit!!!You're brown lol
>>748873963So what was the point of the game if it didn't have any reason to play it?
>>748874090? My man its literally retail. Why does that upset you I dont understand. Do you think retail means something it doesnt? You spent hours arguing that all the vanilla stuff shouldnt be in the game.
>>748874167Nobody likes retail, if you did you'd be playing it
>>748873852You use the same images and call people raj every day. Sorry we can see your pattern. Btw for the last time, I'm white. Indians don't play hockey.>>748873879Because they spent all their nuggie money on the private server that got shut down by Blizzard.>>748873915I mean, early on you can do both pretty easily you don't really have to "choose" any spec. Grinding dungeons has always been gay though. You gotta have special autism for that to be "fun".>>748874034"arguing sematics" Bro straight up lying isn't semantics. Again, I haven't made a skybourne and literally don't care. Everything else which I have actually experienced and touched (therefore I can form a valid opinion on the matter) has been great. Sorry your made up anger is something I don't care about.>>748874053Lmao, whatever you have to tell yourself to be upset.
>>748874207>My man its literally retailI have not seen one argument why it's "retail". You fags keep saying vague shit like "models", "water", "fog" etc. but that isn't why retail is bad nor something that makes Forever "like retail". You're grasping at straws, because "just say it's like retail" is what your trannydiscord told you to say. You don't even play the game.
>>748874181To waste your time
>>748874090Actually, the water is even better than retails water.>>748874207I literally do not believe you have played retail or Forever if you think they are alike. Which is fine, I don't care what you play or enjoy but you seem to be irrationally angry at something to a point where you're making things up.
>>748874217>Btw for the last time, I'm whitewith the soul of an indian, how embarrassing
>>748874284>I literally do not believe you have played retail or Forever if you think they are alikeHere are some Elves from Shadowlands/Dragonflight. You know people have eyes right? They can just look at all the images posted ITT you know? Does denying things that are plainly visible to everything actually convince anyone?
>>748874036Of course, of course, old good new bad.
>>748874265Yes, it's very obvious they haven't played the game. It plays and experiences nothing like retail at all.It's very much a mega vanilla server with extra quests. Sure, it has an HD model in some places and good lighting and water with weather. That doesn't make it retail though, especially when retail has none of those things either...You can sit in any starter area in Forever right now and interact with more people in 2 seconds than you would in modern retail lobby WoW.
>>748874265>>748874284can you guys explain what you dont like about retail because im curious. I get the sense that you think that because retail exists that its inherently bad. You need to look in a mirror.
>>748873915It's actually mind boggling that people begged for dungeon exp to be gutted so now we have 1 less leveling option and healing and tank specs are now non-existent 1-59. People will cheer for fewer options.
>anti shills seething over fucking waterholy fuck you niggers are desperate lmao
>>748874340>Of course, of course, old good new bad.Yeah, that's why they're making classic+ lol
>>748874297I like how /v/irgins finally got bored with calling everything tranny and moved on to calling everything Indian.
>>748874335These are blood elves with more customize options. Blood Elves have been in the game since TBC. Not like you would know. What's your point?
>>748874217What's with the olympic level mental gymnastics you're doing?>no you're wrong about a small detail in the quest it was actually someone else fighting in the cutscene!>but actually on second thought i've never seen it, do you have proof it even exists?Borderline schizo. Just say you thought the roleplay fight in the starter zone was cool. I will disagree with you but you are entitled to your opinion.
>>748874346>good lighting and water
>>748874297What is the soul of an indian? Lol.>>748874335So because elves are blue (created and approved by Metzen) *checks notes* the entire game is suddenly retail? That seems like quite the leap.
>>748863709>People are already buying gold in a limited time BETA>Bots are somehow able to earn as little as 50c a gold but somehow people haven't figured out how these bots are farming so much gold so quickly (it's not just hacking and glitching)People are fucking retarded, I earned about 10g in about 2 hours just farming mobs and mining as a prot paladin in Hillsbrad. If you can earn 5g per hour as any of the AOE classes before you even reach max level then I don't understand how people can still be so bad at earning money.People cry about how "grindy" WoW is but in reality, it's only a deterrence towards using mats/pots unless you absolutely need too, but somehow, even the casuals in this games all have it in their head that they NEED to use mats/flasks for ALL content at ALL times because it saves them 10-20 min per run (unless they wipe lmao). At the same time, earning gold in WoW (Both classic and forever) is easier than ever thanks to Prot becoming essentially the best farming spec in forever (Retri aura can't miss and scales off of spell power, conc is still uncapped since it just deals less damage and not no damage above 4 targets, spell power is stronger and can now be found on plate gear, blocks are stronger, there is more access to defense, all spells now CRIT, there is more reflective gear, etc)while in classic it has been a solved thing for more than a decade now.If gold is so worthless that sellers have to sell it at bellow minimum wage then why the FUCK are people still paying for it? Is it really just because it's so god damned cheap? Because if thats true then Blizzard actually perma banning buyers will solve this issue immediately since who wants to chance getting gold at 2g per dollar but losing characters that you might have spent hundreds of hours on? The warning from blizzard to not take gold from strangers will also kill the retarded bullshit known as death rolling since the winner could have it all removed regardless.
>>shills seething over fucking water>holy fuck you niggers are desperate lmao
>>748874420>What is the soul of an indian? Lol.Shilling for hundred billion dollar companies who produce nothing but slop lol
>>748874346>You can sit in any starter area in Forever right now and interact with more people in 2 seconds than you would in modern retail lobby WoW.Ok the picture is coming together. Retail bad because no players, forever good because players. content inside the box doesnt matter.
>>748874176>Poor "people" mewlingLolLmao
>>748874384>defends it by calling it a cheap asset fliplol
>>748874485>moving goal postsClassic.
>>748874420>So because elves are blue (created and approved by Metzen) *checks notes* the entire game is suddenly retail?Yeah recolouring something from retail and giving it aesthetics from retail does in fact make it retail
This thread is just one guy raging incoherently against all the classic fans. He's made like 50+ posts and he's going to passive aggressively react to this one too.Forver fans are really having such a BLAST with their game that they'd rather log off and go argue psychotically for two hours instead lol...
>>748874354What I don't like about retail is that it is no longer an MMO, nor is there really any difficulty to it. I typically check it out once per expansion and in a week I can usually complete the entire story, max out my ilvl, and wait for the next one without even having to talk or interact with anyone pretty much ever. So far Forever has none of these issues and is very much how WoW was 20 years ago. Although there is an issue with Europeans and PvP players. Euros are all whiney faggots and a lot of people for some reason are on the PvP server but then get upset when you mention PvP happening and asking for assistance. Other than that though it's the most fun I've probably had in WoW since Vanilla, even more fun than when they released classic.
>>748874485>defends itI don't have to defend anything. I didn't see any real argument against the game yet.
>>748874507>REEE NO THESE ARENT FROM SHADOWLANDS ACTUALLY THEY'RE JUST RECOLOURED BLOOD ELVES (blood elves werent in vanilla either)hahahahaha
>This game sucks! I spent £52 alongside 5 of my friends and £40 game time to find out! blizzard's metrics show it's making money 0.01% of consumers are crying but they're the also the ones buying shit Vote with your wallet doesn't mean spend more than normal on something and then complain on 4ch, reddit, or your favourite eceleb's chat retard kys you fund this shit We knew what WoW Forever was as soon as it was announced and YOU STILL BOUGHT IT
>>748874413>Borderline schizo. Just say you thought the roleplay fight in the starter zone was cool. I will disagree with you but you are entitled to your opinion.How can I say something is cool if I haven't done it? Theres no mental gymnastics man, it's just normal logic for an educated person.
>>748874569I didn't spend any money on it actually
>>748874558They are blood elves. What is your point? That blood elves were in Shadowlands? I wouldn't know, I quit retail in Legion. Why does it make Forever like retail?
>>748874537There that explains it perfectly. You like retail, you admit to playing all the expansions and keep trying it out because you want ti to be good, but its bad because you dont see anyone. If the game was harder and you had friends to play with the game would be good right? If WoW forever had the qualities of Retail but there were people playing it and it was hard you would still like it right? Thats the disconnect. Its ok to want wow forever to be like retail but good, but dont lie to people and say the shit in forever thats like retail isnt like retail.
>>748874601you've never spent a dime on wow though
You dumb fucking WoWfags need to stop saying 'retail' when every version of the game you're discussing is 'retail'. You say retail when you're differentiating from fucking private servers. These are all official servers that you pay money for, so they're all retail. Your terminology makes no sense.
>>748874445>shilling>because I like somethingNot everyone is a jaded miserable pessimistic doomer zoomer. Sorry your life sucks man, and you hate "corpos" and everything is "slop". But I'm old and my life is good and when I enjoy something I don't care about you. >>748874449>Retail bad because no players, forever good because players. content inside the box doesnt matter.I mean the content inside Forever so far has been everything that was in Vanilla + additional quests that fill in obvious gaps they had back in the day. This content is more fun than retails content, yes. Retails story and questing is a very different experience. It's fine, but again, it's not an MMO at all it's a seasonal story continuation with a new locale every year.>>748874515It makes the *entire* game retail now? Really?>>748874558There's a blood elf in ratchet.
>>748874515This
>>748874217>Grinding dungeons has always been gay though. You gotta have special autism for that to be "fun".oh you mean like the endgame of the fucking game? yeah so true bro
>>748874606>They are blood elves. What is your point?Blood elves weren't in vanilla, also they look like Blood Elves from Shadowlands.
>>748874701I have no idea what kind of connection you are trying to make lmao. I've literally stated why the games are different and stated what is interesting about them, not once have I said they are the same or alike yet that's the conclusion you're coming to. What's with zoomers always doing this shit?
>>748874720Is that supposed to be an insult?
>>748874834There's a major difference between casually running a raid once a week or progressing through a new one and casually running through wailing caverns 15 times aoeing shit.
>>748874792>>shilling>>because I like something>Not everyone is a jaded miserable pessimistic doomer zoomerYeah some people are braindead consumers who must CONSUME EVERYTHING NEWBE EXCITED FOR NEW PRODUCTQUALITY ISN'T AN OBSTACLECONSUME CONSUME CONSUME
>>748874858>Blood elves weren't in vanillaThis dumb mother fucker lmao
>>748874891it means you shouldn't be talking about shit you have 0 experience or investment in? retard grifter
>>748874792>It makes the *entire* game retail now? Really?Yes it does, the retail elves are front and centre to the announcement, they are the biggest new feature, they are advertised everywhere, they are the face of Forever.There are also a whole slew of other retail things already listed in this thread that you have likely read and already responded to but since you're a paid shill you won't bring them up again because that would be giving them air, and you want nothing more than to suffocate any criticism of this dogshit.
>>748874862Answer the questions I asked you they werent rhetorical. Would you play retail today if you had friends and it was challenging and you didnt just faceroll the content and clear it in a week?Would you play Wow forever if there were flying mounts, a paid shop, transmog, photorealistic textures, HD models, panda race? You are welcome to pick and choose which are dealbreakers.
>>748874931What's the alternative anon? I have a house, my car is paid off, my motorcycle is paid off, I have a girlfriend, I travel the world, my savings are maxed out, I'm set to retire by 50, and I have excess money leftover. I'm supposed to just sit at home and twiddle my thumbs because otherwise according to you I'm just a consumer? Just watch bank account money go up? What's the purpose of that? Why have number go up if not for use in consumption? You people make literally no sense.
>>748874931Anyone who still pays attention to the story in WoW after Wrath deserves to get shat on by the looney troons currently running the game(s). The one saving grace about Forever is that it proves to Microshaft that, yes, people ARE still interested in what WoW USED to be and not the shot that it CURRENTLY is. With 343 finally getting dissolved then there is hope for the same thing happening to current day blizzard since anyone not working on Forever should just be sacked after the absolute blowout in numbers on a fucking pay-to-play temp beta.
>>748874950Oh you got me, there were some unplayable NPC blood elves with a completely different model, and by extension that means the blue elves are actually in vanilla?
>>748875059>What's the alternative anon?Don't give the slopmakers any more money
>>748875059>Why not just eat shit if I can afford the parasites and stomach problemsYour a massive retard, thats why. It doesn't matter if the thing is "free", if it's shit then it doesn't deserve the attention. People like you are literally the reason why every western studio started shitting on plates and calling it games, why every dev got replaced by worse devs that only want to push agendas and why companies keep asking for more money for less effort.I actually like Forever but jesus fucking christ anon, grow some taste or fuck off.
>>748875005Really? They're the biggest new feature? I was more impressed by the 1000 quests, new and updated zones to Azeroth, new dungeons, new raids, and new class/race combinations. All of those seem like more important things to me. Idk man, if you think the elves are the biggest announcement it kind of sounds like you like them? Maybe you're upset you have to pay $30 to use them? Could you name one of those other retail things please?>>748875032I already answered your question? I have played both, it's how I'm able to answer you and have accurate opinions. I was literally playing retail right before Forever was announced. No, I would not play Forever if there was flying mounts. You'd have to define what's in the paid shop to know if I'd dislike it or not, I don't care about transmog I enjoy it. I also play the game maxed out with HD models so I don't care. Why would I care about pandaren? Honestly if they do add races like Pandaren or Blood Elves I would just like them to do them in new ways.
>>748875092The blue elves are there because Metzen wrote it and he wrote Vanilla. It's as simple as that man.>>748875126So just twiddle my thumbs? No thanks man. >>748875183Why do you guys always use eating shit as your analogies? "I actually like Forever" Okay? So then why are you equating me playing Forever to eating shit? Are you saying you're eating shit now also?
>he is still mass replying
>>748875204>Really? They're the biggest new feature?Yes
>>748875302>The blue elves are there because Metzen wrote it and he wrote Vanilla. It's as simple as that man.Metzen didn't write Vanilla at all.
>>748875204>I don't care. Why would I careOk thats literally the entire crux of this whole thread. You are replying to everyone going "RETAIL MODELS ARE VANILLA" "WOW ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE THIS" "BLUE ELVES ARE APPROPRIATE" and people are pushing back and saying those are not appropriate for a wow vanilla server. When people post pictures saying "These new retail style armors looks bad" you dont go "thats what vanilla looked like" you should go "retail looks better than vanilla". Thats literally all it takes. You like retail and want wow forever to be more like retail but actually good. I personally want almost nothing from retail in wow forever which is why I wont be playing. Dont get mad from that information, dont get defensive, dont feel inadequate because you dont like vanilla. You like retail and thats fine noone needs to hear about your motorcycle man.
>>748875302>"I actually like Forever" Okay? So then why are you equating me playing Forever to eating shit?Yes
>>748875387Lmao, okay. You're actually retarded, my mistake.
>>748875507Your extreme dishonesty is how I know you're a paid shill.
>>748875302>So then why are you equating me playing Forever to eating shit?Because you literally said:>Why have number go up if not for use in consumption? You people make literally no sense.Which means the exact same thing as:>Why should I care if the things I buy are shit or not? If I can afford it then I should just throw my money away for garbage.You fail to understand that money is a tool meant strengthen actions. Want more Mcdonalds in the world? Then just spend money on their burgers every day. Want more drug dealers in the world? Then spend more money on crack. Want more guns in the world? Then my as many AK47s and USPs as you can.The more money you spend on something, the more likely it is to keep growing in our modern world, even if the thing your spending money on is detrimental to your own interest and the interest of others around you. For being "rich" your seem awfully retarded at understanding what money is and what it's worth.
>>748875427Oh really? Who wrote Vanilla WoW then?>>748875462Where did I say ""RETAIL MODELS ARE VANILLA" "WOW ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE THIS" "BLUE ELVES ARE APPROPRIATE" "? Lmao what? Also>and people are pushing back and saying those are not appropriate for a wow vanilla server.Cool. WoW Forever isn't a vanilla server man. Is this a hard concept for you to grasp?>>748875478Whats funny is you're clearly NTA and you have poor reading comprehension lol.
>>748875551MY extreme dishonesty? You're sitting here trying to imply that a new race is the biggest feature of Forever. LMAO
>>748867718>you'reBloody benchod bastard!
I'm counting the days boys. I'm telling my friends to get their gaming time with me out of the way in October. I'm playing WoW Forever forever.
>>748875594>because you literally said>which means the exact same thing asAh, see. Here's your problem. You're inferring and creating up a narrative in this instance. Why would I consume something if I don't enjoy it? You're implying that I just consume to consume just because I can consume and what I consume somehow doesn't matter. None of that was stated or mentioned.
>>748875631It's literally in the opening cinematic
>>748875598>Oh really? Who wrote Vanilla WoW then?The burden of proof is on you, do some research lil gupta
>>748873681>They’ve been killing it in the art department for decades now.>>748872890
>>748875741>You're implying that I just consume to consume just because I can consume and what I consume somehow doesn't matter. None of that was stated or mentioned.>"I'm supposed to just sit at home and twiddle my thumbs because otherwise according to you I'm just a consumer? Just watch bank account money go up? What's the purpose of that? Why have number go up if not for use in consumption? You people make literally no sense."Your are either just a shitposter that just got caught in their own lies or your actually retarded, either way you can feel free to stop posting any time.
>>748875748So is an Undead Paladin? Lmao.>>748875783Okay, my research lead me to the credits which has Metzen as the Lead Creative Director of Vanilla. So now what? Retard.
>>748875876No, I'm just more intelligent than you and now you don't know how to reply.
>>748875908>Okay, my research lead me to the credits which has Metzen as the Lead Creative Director of Vanilla. So now what? Retard.Now you scroll further to find out who actually wrote it
>>748875943NTA but he's right metzen wrote warcraft 3 and wow
>>748875908>being dishonest again
>>748875941Why should I bother writing another proper reply when you just keep deflecting after being caught red handed? For being so smart your acting awfully dumb
>>748875992nope
>>748875943What do you think Creative Director means and does? It's literally his vision.>>748876030Which part am I being dishonest about? Are you trying to say the undead paladin isn't in the trailer?>>748876039When did I deflect? What am I caught red handed doing again exactly?
I went into Forever with zero hype (because I'm not a retard who somehow still has any faith in Blizzard), but after seeing how thoroughly they RAPED classic Warrior design with zero respect to its original play style, I have entered negative hype. I really hope this shit dies after a few months once everyone realizes how dogshit these designers are.
>>748876087>What do you think Creative Director means and does?What do you think "writer" means and does? Is "writer" the same as "creative director"? Or are these 2 different things? That other guy said you were dishonest, I think he's right
>>748876087>Which part am I being dishonest about? Are you trying to say the undead paladin isn't in the trailer?That a huge part of the focus of the trailer is the blue elf, the voice over for the trailer is a blue elf, most of the promotional material shows the blue elves, the blue elves are the only paid feature.To say they are not front and centre of WoW Forever is extremely dishonest. I think you know this and you're just trying to waste people's time.
>>748876165good, go fuck off and play fotm paladin. we don't need more useless brown shitter dps warriors
>>748876087>When did I deflect? What am I caught red handed doing again exactly?Right about here: >>748875059You just keep repeating how "smart" and "rich" you are instead of actually arguing your case for why your right in the first place, this is literally toddler tier deflecting.>Why my tastes shit?>Because the things you like are less popular and less well regarded than this other thing that does it better>Okay, but I'm smart and rich thoughAre you getting it yet?
>>748876165>but after seeing how thoroughly they RAPED classic Warrior design with zero respect to its original play styleWhat did they do? I couldn't get past the blue elves and shitty graphics to even look at the class design
Will the RP realm have any RP or will it be full of PvErs who don't know the difference and/or running from streamers?
>>748876279They normalized rage. You get a set amount of rage per swing depending on weapon speed. This was a fucking Cataclysm change, but at least in Cata they overhauled the entire class to go with it. They turned a dynamic, unique resource into slow red colored energy.
I don't think it's possible for them to have misunderstood the tone of vanilla and what players wanted more than the cinematic did
>>748876279To be fair, they couldn't have left warriors alone since their old rage gen simply made them too good when you stacked them, to the point where they had literally infinite resources that made it impossible for any other class to compete at tanking or DPSing vs them
>>748866368>what really needs to happen is public enforcementThis. The primary solution for an MMO, where players participate in a long-term closed community with all sorts of hierarchies and relationships, should always be torching legacies. If you get caught buying currency in MMOs, you need to be dragged out in front of everyone.This won't deter the people who play an MMO for days and then drop it, but the big buyers are the people who play said game religiously. Those are the people with the names to torch.
>>748876168You do know the only titles in the credits with "writer" in the name are the Cinematic Intro Director, writer and Cinematic Trailer Director, writer, right? Do you not know how corporate studio job titles work?>>748876235Again, that doesn't make it the biggest feature lol. Which you've now changed from "biggest feature" to "front and center of wow forever" but I'm the one being dishonest?
>>748876279>I couldn't get past the blue elves and shitty graphics to even look at the class design>admitting to have the brain capacity of a toddler or nonverbal autistoof
>>748876429stuff is just made for women now, women join the dev team and just make shit they want. Suits say we want games to appeal to a wider demographic so make shit that women want. If you ever wonder "Why would a dev team make this decision" just ask yourself if a woman would like it and itll make sense.
>>748876502>To be fair, they couldn't have left warriors alone since their old rage gen simply made them too good when you stacked them, to the point where they had literally infinite resources that made it impossible for any other class to compete at tanking or DPSing vs themI'm pretty sure you could just reduce the damage of their abilities anon
>>748876429https://youtube.com/shorts/jYHI_yRk51w?si=RnAlHnMhrttWxeTk
