Do you agree with their mindset?
Not really dude,
They aren't wrong but if you as a company are having to make posts like this you've already fucked up pretty badly.
Projection is always bad PR
>>748879176Kind ofGamers usually know jack shit with how to design games or what they even want - see Gwent but in the case of Wolverine even retard could see that it would be shit so I guess they shouldve listened there
>>748879176idgaf what they do so long as they screech as they're thrown out of the building and denied their severance package
>>748879176Ok so no one has to buy their game eitherwho do they think they are? this is a perfectly fine mindset until you completely flop, then you need to self reflect obviously.
ACTUALLY YOURE A VIDEOGAME COMPANY AND YOUR POINT IS TO SUCK MY DICK OR YOU ARENT FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE
>>748879176Yes, but I assume I would have an objection to it if I knew the context.That is horrible PR either way.
>>748879176>listening doesnt mean we always will do what people tell us to.except if it's the shareholders. or blackrock or vanguard. or visa/mastercard.
Insomnaic saying "Our games aren't for everyone :)" after just trying to make the most inclusive AAA game ever is very funny
>>748879265SPBP
>>748879176Has there ever been a time in history when a company made a passive aggressive or even a hostile response toward gamers and "won"?
>>748879412If you think inclusive means for inclusive you haven't been paying attention
>>748879176Allowing them to think that doesn't mean buying their games
>>748879176Exit, Loyalty and Voice was written in the 70s. When customers are in the Voice category and complaining, they're engaging and you need to do every single thing you can to either keep them in the Voice category or to promote them to Loyalty.Once a customer gets to Exit category, they rarely come back. TLDR: no I don't agree with their mindset. That tweet is absolutely retarded and whoever wrote it caused Insomniac permanent damage which makes sense, given the state of Wolverine.
>>748879176That's what I tell my parents when they tell me to get a girlfriend
>>748879516I wonder if whoever is in charge of insomniac just doesn't get each tweet before it gets posted or they simply don't care.
>>748879176Yes, most gamers have no real clue about game design problem is that insomniac just had shown everyone that they know even less about it
>>748879605Doesn't vet each tweet*
>>748879176Doing passive aggressive damage control on twitter? No.They should probably just bar the doors of their offices and burn themselves alive at this point.
>>748879176How does this Tweet actually help with anything? The people it's complaining about won't respond positively, and everyone else will be indifferent, if not negative towards it. It's typical liberal, out of touch BS that results from failing upwards and having your PR managed by activists.
>>748879176It’s a bad idea and admitting it is even worse.The customer is always right, as the saying goes.
Devs really need to stop with the whole "Fuck the players, we're forcing this" attitude.
>>748879176The gaming industry is the only place where the egos of the workstaff hamper the games thier working on. being humble is always the good route to go, and blaming the people at the top who make bad decisions must become commonplace again, because now every single gamestudio owned by investors are looking down at a barrel of a gun.
>>748879176Please note what they are doing here. They're trying to reframe their fuckup as the players just being unreasonable and the studio is just reclaiming their agency is all.Extremely foid-coded behavior. Even worked on some of the tards in this thread who are now making this about the players.
>>748879176Might be a hottake but i kinda agree, but it not something you actually tell your critics.People can give good advice, they can also give Dogshit Advice and be people who just loudly proclaim things they know nothing about so it is up to you to discern the well-informed and intentioned against the posturing heckling, just how you need to be able to discern genuine praise from toxic positivity/ people being too pussy to admit you are making shit.One needs to listen to feedback certainly, but not all feedback is good feedback and following it blindly is just as foolish as not following it at all.One needs a critical lens oneself to shift through critique.
>>748879768It happens in TV and film too, the rot is in the whole entertainment industry
>>748879290>Wolverine>>748879516>given the state of Wolverine>>748879643>damage control>>748879785>reframe their fuckupThat tweet is from 2018, 2 months after spider-man release. The game was well received by players so in that time, with that context, that tweet has merit
>>748879176Sure, it's their game. But it's my money, and I'm not buying if I don't like what I see.
>>748879176Damn, Insomniac was based during MeToo.
>>748880057/threadI agree with them. It was better for them to ruin the game their own way than to ruin it by listening to gamers.
>>748879916yeah but Tv and movies are easier to digest and dont hold a skill barrier and generally people can talk about em without getting all annoying about it unless its some woketier garbage. Most of these guys making games legit dont evenplay or care about them and thats the big fucking issue here. all these fucking posers are trying to make games while not even considering or understanding what makes a good videogame. People that lack dedication and creativity genuine care for what they're making dont make anything worthwhile, the industry needs to be purged of all the false egos and the money that flows from bad actors also known as investors. Going back to square one is the only way we can save the hobby.
Gamers actively want Sony to fail. So why would sony even bother listening to gamers?
>>748879176>From Burbank, CAI disagree with them fundamentally
>>748879176Generally, yes.Strong vision is key to making interesting games and folding instantly when you get a little bit of criticism from your customers makes it look like your vision for the project wasn't that strong to begin with.Problem with Insomniac is that they then turn around and hire to SBI to fuck with their game design, which is actually much worse than listening to what their customers/fans want.
>>748879176you have to make good games to have that mindset, so no.
>Ion make good gameFunny that they’re likely to get folded and lose their jobsLmao
>>748879176yes, it means the studio will die faster
>>748879176xitter thread
>>748879176Apply statement to rapeSounds like Victim Blaming
>>748879462No.On the contrary, actually listening to the fans saved it and it's mascot from bankruptcy.
>>748879176Woman moment
>>748879176Its not a bad mindset but it is a bad statement that reveals that even if they're not going to do whatever they're suggested to they feel obligated to listen because they want to keep those customers. If they feel they want to keep those customers they don't plan on catering to it means those customers do have a buying power that matters to them even if its only a small degree.If they really didn't care they wouldn't make a statement at all.Anyway that's just many words to say what sbpb said here >>748879265And finally, OP if a faggot for making a twitter screencap thread.
>>748879176pretty sure no one expects anything from insomniac anymore
>>748879176Yeah I agree as long as they accept the accompanying responsibility for any and all shortcomings which could have been avoided had they listened and acted.If they genuinely believe that they'll make something good by doing it their way then I don't want them to do what the public demand, it shows weakness and low character.
>>748879176I agree that developers should sometimes just ignore what gamers say and think and go with their own vision.But in case of western AAA studios they are high on their own product to a degree that they don't even listen to testers or their own naysaying co-workers and peers. Toxic positivity where nobody is allowed to rock the boat was part of why games like Suicide Squad, Concord, 2XKO and Highguard crashed and burned. No matter how much the devs love their own creative vision and whatever monetizing plans they might have, they should at least listen to the negative feedback instead of instantly dismissing it.
>>748879176It is crazy how kicking so called community managers out would be a net positive for most companies. Anyway, layoffs when? We all know wolverine flopped hard.
>>748879176No, in this context when companies say "we listened" it's idiomatic and it explicitly means we acknowledged and tried to fulfill the request. It's like saying "when I said "I hear you" I didn't mean I understand you, I meant I hear some sound coming out of your mouth". Retarded tweet by a retarded company
>>748879176Agreement? Who gives a shit about that? I'm here to laugh when the layoffs start.
>the customer is always your enemybold strategy
>>748879176They not only listen, they follow orders. Just not from customers.
>>748883103reading comprehension is not your forte I gather
>>748879176what is this mudslime avatar dogshit? back to the sandals and desert with you.
>>748879176sales doko?doko? sales?insominac is getting killed. lmao
>>748880003Given they literally did NOT listen to people shitting on them for niggerman2 being antiwhite shite, then doubling down and becoming worse for cuckverineNOTHEY FUCKING WERE NOT CORRECT OR MERITTED!They should have killed all the antiwhite dogma in insominac
>>748880534maybeJUST FUCKING MAYBEsony should stop shitting out antiwhite bile.Then I won't want them to die
>>748881785It's funny because people were throwing massive fits because they changed the design and how alt right and nazi people complaining were, and we're already on the third movie thanks to that.
>>748879176Doing everything retard fans tell you to do is how you end up with Rise of Skywalker.
>>748879176This is just a passive aggressive way to say>Fuck your suggestions, we're doing what we want.
>>748879753That'd need devs to not be massive egomaniacal narcissists who think they're literal gods on earth and they're owed your hard earned money.
>>748879176
>>748883682BasedIf you don't have the balls to just make what you want then don't bother trying to make anything
>>748883139He's right, tho, they're implying the customer is a moron who will pay up anyways, and they're better than the people who'll buy their products.So even though enemy isn't exactly the right word, it's implied that they think lowly of them, as filth you may say.If your customers are telling you that they don't like the mj parts of Spiderman, the thing you shouldn't do is quadruple down on them like they did, or cuck Spiderman for a more "diverse" miles morales who no one likes and it's a plant.
UH OH SLOPPY WOMPY
>>748883984As a customer would you accept the obligation to buy their game once they've kowtowed to your demands for it? Or would it be unfair to say that you need to buy something
>>748879176Things I be saying to the foids after I rape them
Why is gaming the only industry where the customer is blamed for not consuming a product they don't like?If a restaurant gives you a burnt steak you don't have people calling you entitled and telling you the cooks tried their best and you're demanding too much
>>748884007wrong warband cover.
>>748879176Their 'mindset' is bullshit. They will always bow to Zog. That's the kind of 'people' they are. Fucking filthy subhuman animals with no moral integrity or respect for anything or anyone. They're lower than dogs. Always were, always will be.
An 8 year old tweet. Cool thread.
>>748879176its fine, they can say this.But when theyre bankrupt and being sold off like cattle then I will be here to tell them this is where it started.
>>748879176WRONGyou need to find the ACTUAL customer demographic (not screaming autists on twitter) and you need to SUCK their dicks into the sunset
>>748879176sure thing, just don't blame me when the game fails and the studio goes under.
>>748879176Yeah in general it’s better to not listen to the masses
>>748879840>Might be a hottakeIt's not. Everyone knows the average fan has a double-digit IQ (see: this piss board). A lot of devs are just way up their own asses though, for sure.
>>748879176it's better to not say anything than say shit like that
>>748879265I don't know the context, what makes this bad?I completely agree with the message that the developers are the ones making the game and thus they choose what gets made. Of course the developers should listen to feedback, but listening doesn't mean acting upon it. The feedback could be utterly retarded. People in general are notorious for quickly knowing when something they play is not good, but also notorious for not knowing how to fix what is wrong.So as a developer I think you should try to understand where the feedback is coming from, and if you agree with it then fix it your way. And if you disagree with the problem presented you ignore it.The same way a person playing the game is free to play, leave a review and criticism etc
>>748884873>contextthe last 20 or so years in gayming.
>>748884053That right there is the issue, it isn't about the>obligation to buy their gameit's about >wanting to buy their gameThere is a massive difference between pandering to the audience that will most likely buy your game, because guess what, the gaming industry exists because they have been proven to do that, and the people who get their demands kowtowed to in every nu gayme, as if they have ever shown any interest in actually buying and playing them in numbers that aren't completely worthless. Not that it matters, because looking at Wolverine, Insomniac is seemingly past the point of no-return in dei hire saturation, where it isn't just the content but also the quality that is suffering. How many more budget and dev time bloated gayme are they gonna have in them before they are done too? I will keep buying games, just not theirs, I owe them nothing. Everything being lame, gay and ugly was never the default, it's them who have forced change and therefor it's their obligation to offer something good in the first place, not for mine to buy their slop.To you even realize how bizarre this is compared to other industries? The current state of a lot of these studios and why is so many already had to close, is like if a shoe company randomly started putting nails through the soles of their shoes to represent the suffering of people who lost their feet, and then act like asking for>no nails in the shoesis some super extra demand, and not just wanting them to go back to not being retarded. And in the end your actual customers won't buy shoes anymore, and surprise, surprise - neither will people without feet and the other moralfaggots who would performatively glaze something so pointless and self-defeating.
>>748885980>I owe them nothingYou owe them nothing for as long as you do not dictate what they make. Once you tell them to change their game you owe them that sale if they go through with it. Nobody is willing to accept that obligation so why should they listen to the demands?
>>748879176>Do you agree with their mindset?It'd be fine to have that mindset if they were making good games.
>>748883636genuine retard
>>748880003No it doesn't This tweet was in response to people hating the MJ and Miles walking sections wich Insomniac decided to double down on in Spiderman 2 wich lead to the game underselling compared to 1I hope they lose the Marvel license soon
Insomniac was cool back in the ps2 days
>>748879176Yea I do the exact same thing by NOT listening to people telling me I should give shit games a chance (also money)
>>748879176didn't they make this seething post in response to people asking them to put the raimi suit in spider-man and then they did it anyways?
>>748879176Insomniac is describing akrasia.In which case I would agree.
>>748879516>Once a customer gets to Exit category, they rarely come back.I disagree, see Blizzard fans
YOU FUCKING DO AND YOU'RE ONLY BEING CONTRARIANS BECAUSE THE WOKE DEVS THINK THE SAME
>>748879176You don't have to do what you're told, but when you're wrong, and you come across as ignorant and tone deaf to the unpopularity of your decisions, that isn't going to help you.This isn't a case of disagreement, it's a case of trying to pander and being so retarded that everyone hates it.
>>748879176This would be fine but they very clearly don't have an auteur's mindset to make something creative and authentic.They just want to corrupt and destroy existing IP's with SBI, DEI and agenda-shit.
I don't really care tbqhAAA has been dead to me long enough that these people can do or say literally anything and it means nothing to me
>>748879176Being literate means I can write and read but that doesn't mean I read everything or write wellWhat a fucking nothing statement, their games are gay communist propaganda so no I do not agree with their mindset regardless of how their PR interns might try to present themselves
>>748879176Insomniac post-2011 is shit anyway.
This mindset only works if you're competent.
>A bipoc woman is talking, listen and learn>chudda.jpeg
>>748879176Yes. Fans ruin everything
Just don't buy their games.
/v/ used to love holding up offbeat cult games like God Hand. It would praise devs like Kamiya and Itagaki saying "yeah I kept getting asked to dumb the game down but I didn't want to." You genuinely hate videogames if you earnestly disagree with the sentiment even if you don't like Insomniac.
>>748879176Literally who?
>>748880534Sony clearly wants Sony to fail. Why wouldn't they take advice from someone trying to help them.
>>748879176They certainly followed every word SBI said.
>>748890147There's a chasm between people who go against the grain and people who are so scared of being vilified they follow every work a cult of deranged weirdoes with too much of a voice tells them.
>>748890147It's not that we disagree dumbass, it's that Insomniac is using it as an excuse for delivering bad games.
>>748879176you talk a lot of shit for such a closeable studio
>>748879176they only listen if your name is sweet baby inc
>>748879176Have faith in your vision for a game but be humble enough to listen to criticism and be mindful enough to know what's actually valuable criticism and what's just ignorant barking.
