repostan cause I got cucked by archival

Really sick how much you're rewarded in this from having played the first game. Most particularly, I was desperate to get my hands on Darling for what he did to Dylan even with how vague they presented things in Control, and they made it so much worse and more explicit in this one that I felt so, so vindicated.

Really excited for what the "two children from one" stuff is about. Wondering what happened to Former. After all their bluster, seeing that The Board got put in the cuckshed (The Aberrant, which is clearly a piece of The Nail) was fucking hysterical, get fucked you shitters.

Definitely missing Sam Lake's influence on this game though, it felt far too normie - like it was using Control's material as set dressing instead of iterating and developing it further. Story feels rushed to start to set up the open world premise, and it honestly sucks to play as the guy who's just getting abused and yelled at the whole time, even if it makes sense in the story. The combat is really tedious and grindy at first, and I almost gave up before I got to Underpass. The writing is really weak, has a really snarky, annoying tone - like the combat logs about the Hiss, they inject these annoying characters' personalities. I miss the overbearing tone of the first game. Zoe was kind of annoying too, but by the end I enjoyed her - still written weakly though. Dylan being such a wet blanket in dialogue but then a snarling beast in combat felt weird until you get to the conversation about how he IS angry, he just doesn't want to snap and get people killed again.

RIP Arish my sweet prince, you were too pure for this fucked world. He was such a nice guy in the first game he always cheered me up. Langston turned out to be really funny when I thought he was a creepy dork in the first one. Glad Pope thrived and her and Jesse having a relationship makes perfect sense.

Hope there's DLC that improves the combat systems some.

>>748891531
Darling is the villain in the third game, working with Tom Zane. Alan Wake teams up with Dylan and Jesse, each operating in different levels of reality while Alan tries to craft a story to defeat Darling and Zane’s film

>>748891737
Sounds cool. I played AW1 back in the day but I don't remember much, and I didn't play AW2. I'll probably rectify that now that I beat Resonant.

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dylan draws objects verisimilitudiously but when theres humans or animals its extremely transformative from the model used

Strike is better than glaive and cleave

Do early enemies in NG+ drop high level materials like Aberrent Fragment or do they just drop the same early game shit again?

Fra comes back? This is fucking hilarious.

>>748893060
>Strike is better than glaive and cleave
Nah, strike is too short range. Glaive is great since you can heel enemies from a mile away. Strike is good against some targets, sure but IMO graive is better.

>>748893905
strike is best because you can do your combo finisher very rapidly. Also extreme damage / falter when used with ignite. I havent had a problem with range; glaive has more but strike has enough.

I’ve finished the game. I’m trying to level up in downtown to get the costume piece but there’s literally no enemies there now and I’ve done all activities and collectibles already

Will enemies come back or is it fucked?

>>748893597
Freds a great guy. He should be a mod here. Everyone loves Fred.

>>748894485
Have you checked the whiteboard?

So did Jesse wish a brother into reality and shes like Alan or was there a totally different Faden child who got destroyed and turned into two new ones who believed they always lived with the parents who had two different kinds of breakdowns as reality effected everyone but them and these changelings were in their home calling them mom and dad?

>>748894943
Done it all, they also seemed to just paynsource not XP unless it involved killing

>>748891531
Every single Alan Wake/Control discussion is the same
>ZOMG!! I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT [answers to this thing]
And then, when you get no [answers to this thing] and complain about it
>uhhh anon...you don't play for answers you play for the experience...
These games are a meme and Remedy are a bunch of hacks

>>748895096
The baby stroller then ? I know it spawns randomly
Or maybe you haven’t gotten the high score in SHUM

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Bros, I vibe-shitted a mod that allows for 3 loadouts that you can customize and swap on the fly. The custom HUD functions correctly and displays the correct buttons and shows correct keyboard buttons too. You can even balance out stuff you put on actions 1-3 so it's not so overpowered like adjusting power usage, damage, and falter damage

>>748895526
Done if all bro. Stuck on level 10

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>>748895202
>And then, when you get no [answers to this thing] and complain about it
>>uhhh anon...you don't play for answers you play for the experience...
that's the opposite of what anon said though

>>748895054
I think there was a completely different kid that turned into Jesse and Dylan, and their mother realized something was profoundly wrong and that's why she wouldn't put the shotgun down and wouldn't talk to them. There was a lot of weird shit in Ordinary even before the Slide Projector when you consider the bully has weird records, too. I think the game Severed Circle 2 is too consequential not to be the focal point of this.

>>748896095
Isn’t level 10 the highest score already?

>>748894642
I wouldn't want to inflict mod duties on Fred. He's a great guy and deserves better.

>>748896127
The way i took it after speaking to based harelip guy is OOP are made in AWE locations. When a reality shifting event occurs certain items of some from of iconic or memetic significance in the greater human cultural conciousness can be imbued with power. So something was happening and the slide projector that was just random junk in a scrapyard changed because of it.

My personal theory is these are reality trying to create a doorkey of sorts to let people get out or escape the AWE in some manner be it literal, spiritual or mental. Hence why so many OOP are related to some form of movement be it literal or otherwise. Something in Ordinary prompted reality to turn a projector into a doorway to get away from it like an autoimmune response.

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rly.

>>748891737
The dark place is a film camera and the structure of the dark place is a roll of film. "It's not a loop it's a spiral". Tom Zane's temple of light and mist or whatever is literally the interior mechanisms of a film camera. We've already seen similar with the slide projector. Trust the plan

>>748896657
no idea who they are but fuck this Lau person

>Game ends with Dylan getting a postcard from Ahti
>In the Earthbound section if you keep talking to Ahti as young Dylan he is fully aware its a timeloop deal and it implies be it Jess or Dylan Ahti thinks he is talking to the same person
>Escaped the Dark Place and is on another Vacation
Jumalauta!

>>748896657
1st place doesn't give you anything except a reset item.

>>748896975
Its the guy running the Panoptican.

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Literally me

Just a thought, do you think Resonant Arish had a hole in his head just from patterning or because he tried to end it all and caused the patterning

>>748897152
His name is Langston so it’s unlikely.

can I play Control: Resonant without having played any of the other Remedy games? or would I be missing out on a lot?
everyone says Alan Wake 2 is kino

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I just finished the prologue and came here to ask a couple questions without reading the thread cause im scared of spoilers
Found a 1/3 of a health upgrade just in front of the Bureau
Are those missable? or can you return to any point on the whole city at any point?
Did everybody feel like the first boss had a massive amount of health? It took so many "rounds" of chasing her around ffs
The upgrade tree(s) seem convoluted as fuck, are there enough "respec" items to comfortably fuck around with upgrades & weapons?
I played Control and have watched the recap just in case (i remembered nothing and jackshit), do i need to also know a bit about Alan wake 1/2?

Thank you in advance anon

>>748897374
Is that the most recent recipient of the Emperor's Cup, the 75th Yokozuna, Onosato?

>>748891436
> playing on a 9070XT with ultra graphics, 1440p FSR Quality
> turn on RT at Medium
> Game sometimes runs at 100fps, other times drops to 60
It swings wildly. Does everyone else have the same experience?

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>>748897439
Yes, yes it is.

FUCK MOLD!

>>748897295
>can I play Control: Resonant without having played any of the other Remedy games?
Game has a 5~ minute video recapping the events of the first game which is imo good enough to get you in the mood for this one.
If you need more watch a more in deth analysis of the first game
AlanWoke games happen on the same universe but dont really share much, there are references here and there and some fan service.
I liked alan wake 1 more than the sequel

>>748897374
>>748897439
>>748897521
figures my Controlfrens would also be sumochads

Shield might be good if everything it did cost 1/2 as much. All its good for is massive falter from the shield bash. Why would you tank the damage with the shield instead of just dodging out of the way?
Maybe I am just using it wrong

>>748897374
No and yes
She was a bit long for me but not overly so
Yes
No, you'll miss easter eggs and that’s it

>>748897642
thank you anon

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>>748897857
Thank you dude

>>748897712
Got my answers, gonna leave before i eat some spoilers
Enjoy Ichiyamamoto facing some serious competition

>>748897972
>Enjoy Ichiyamamoto facing some serious competition
I love Ichi, his exhausted expression is so relatable

>>748897295
Easily. I'd say you miss out on a lot more by playing Alan Wake 2 without playing Control than the other way around. I'd recommend playing Control 1 before Resonant, but you can ignore everything else until you feel like playing them.
Alan Wake 2 is Remedy's worst game by a lot, in my opinion, but 1 is excellent.

>>748897478
If it only goes as low as 60, just turn on frame gen and cap it to 120. But sounds more like a CPU limitation.

>>748897642
>>748898179
Isn't Alan Wake 2 widely considered to be Remedy's masterpiece?

>>748896095
Isn't it Resonants that reset enemies/restore world feats? If you've done it all, then NG+ is your only option, and you should try and clear out more shit before killing the resonants. If this was your NG+ run, then you have to wait until they add the infinite NG++ option.

>>748896202
Most are 10, like 2-3 are 15.

>>748897295
you should definitely play Control first. It's like $6 on GOG and it kicks ass, I lowkey prefer it to Resonant. Haven't played AW2 myself.

>>748898276
I dont give a fuck what anybody considers shit and fuck
I played both and i enjoyed the first one more than i enjoyed the sequel
It is what it is

>>748897782
There's a perk in the skill tree that gives a Vengeance debuff to any enemy that attacks your shield. Vengeance makes them take more damage and falter from melee and shield bash. So block then bash and it'll completely destroy their posture. Lasts a while too, so you can apply vengeance first and then perfect dodge for the buff.

>>748898296
>you have to wait until they add the infinite NG++ option.
they just added it yesterday

>>748898251
>But sounds more like a CPU limitation.
The GPU is always pegged at 100%, 304W.

everyone on Remedy's social media is constantly begging for them to add a weapon switch feature, they'll have to address that sooner or later

>>748898179
>>748898313
thank you. I'll put it on the list. I play maybe 2-3 video games per year
I'm currently working my way through Planescape: Torment for the first time

>>748898276
Widely considered their masterpiece by people who don't like their games, yes. The same kind of person who will tell you to just watch a summary on Alan Wake 1 and skip straight to Control and Alan Wake 2, because those are the actually good ones, the others are too gamey and have too much gameplay. Or whatever.
>The game sucks, but the vibes!!!! The reddit musical moment!!!!
Fuck Alan Wake 2 and fuck their retarded bootleg MCU that ruined Alan Wake's world building with shitty retcons. Thank God there's VERY little of it in Resonant.
Fuck those garbage ass "enemies" too, and fuck the chests you solve a third grade math problem to unlock and they pretend that's a puzzle, as if that's decent game design.
I THINK ALAN WAKE 2 SUCKS. I deeply regret wishing for a sequel all the way back in 2010.

>>748898496
Weapon switch sweapon witch
There's already a mod for it that works fine.

>>748898650
it's okay if you don't like the game but it's definitely the high point in their history and that's not because they betrayed every single "real" fan. Idk why you guys do this to yourselves

sad news, theres npc chatter about gays getting togehter
the game is officially woke now

>>748898496
They could just make the right d-pad toggle a full loadout switch. If you just want to change abilities like now you just equip the same weapons again on loadout 2. Or use down on d-pad for the weapon switch, you have to hold to go to the Gap and you can't do it mid combat so not accidental inputs.
I think a wheel like the mod is too much. The movesets in this game have purpose, they're not all interchangeable for styling, so some level of limitation is still desirable. But switching between two weapon loadouts on the fly sounds cool.

>>748896364
In Alan wake 1 the old gods of asgard play a song called Balance Slays the Demon to help Alan, it’s one of their old songs from the eighties and we know these guys understand the reality shifting element of the lake and dark place

In this song there’s a section that says “it will happen again in a town called ordinary” so presumably their song either influenced or predicted jesse and Dylan’s existence. The songs contents are pretty applicable to both Alan and tom Zane/scratch as well as Jesse and Dylan since it’s about funding balance to defeat the evil and take CONTROL

Also the Langstrom guy has a cleft lip not a harelip

>>748898771
I don't care about real fan crap, it's a garbage game with their worst game design to date, the writing is shoddy as fuck too and the reason why I never cared about not having Sam Lake for Resonant. He's washed too.
The point about its fans not liking their games is more due to them not appreciating any of Remedy's games and for that reason not giving a shit if this one sucks, because to them they all do. So who cares if this one stinks a bit more? They just tolerate the games for the vibes, they never liked playing them. It has nothing to do with loyalty or whatever. Someone who started with Resonant is as much of a real fan whatever that means. Because resonant isn't a game you tolerate, either you enjoy playing it or you get filtered. No reddit dance moment this time.

>>748898857
Only way Remedy can make up for this is a full live action cutscene of Emily and Jesse scissoring.

Find the lady of the light, gone mad with the niiight

>>748897247
He kept saying he had a beach ache and migraine before he ended up turning so I think he literally had the patterning sourcing in his brain. This turns into him doing that patterned speech before it finally flipping him inside out. Hence the hole in his head being the center of it

That being said Zoe also says at some point her and a bunch of the other rangers got tested and came positive for being affected in some way by the patterning (be it blood or other stuff) and Pope says even after Herron is dead the actual patterned stuff won’t go back to normal even after the actual barriers fall. So I wonder if that shits deadly to everyone

>>748898930
That's exactly how I've been playing with the weapon switch mod.
I've got 2 loadouts with different weapons and finishers and cycle them by tapping down on the d-pad.
Works just fine except I can't use the button to switch between loadouts out of combat.

I hate the way they set up the powers on the shoulder buttons more. Having to press right on the d-pad to switch between them is really annoying, when having a modifier key on R1+face buttons or something would work better. I'd do it with steam input, but then I'd lose the dualsense features and the vibration on hammer feels really fucking good.

>>748899140
>either you enjoy playing it or you get filtered
the same thing can be said about you and AW2. in fact, I'm sure it has been said
and that's the thing. you gotta get out of your own head. something can be good or laudable even if you don't personally like it. so often I see anons force their own opinions down the throat of someone who asks for recommendations. but that's doing them a disservice. you should try to give them a more global and detached view

>>748899241
Yeah d-pad right is a bit clunky for that but thankfully I can just use back buttons for that.

>>748893060
I ended up just going cleave because nothing is really as valuable as instant access to lift. Strike even loaded with crit and damage passives isn't keeping up in terms of raw damage because of how low the base damage is, and it also misses a few sources of boosted stagger as a result. The only real benefit of strike is getting combo finishers out faster, but I can already kill any enemy in the game in a single aerial combo before being forced back to the ground anyway. End-game with cleave once dominance triggers on the first enemy I don't even get to combo finishers because the light attacks are doing thousands of damage each hit from aerial+lifted+back attack bonuses.

>>748899254
I gave him an objective view and even said he's missing out by playing Alan Wake 2 without playing Control, so he can get the best experience for himself if he decides to play it. Then I also gave my subjective evaluation like any evaluation of quality is inherently. I'm not forcing anything, you're not even a real person if seeing someone saying they think a game is bad makes you not want to play it without at least looking up footage to make up your own mind.

There's no such thing as "good but I don't like it", quality of entertainment is inherently subjective. Otherwise I would be saying the opposite, it's garbage but you like it and that's ok. But I don't, I understand others think it's good, I just vehemently disagree and find it important to push back on that consensus so that the idea that there's disparity among Remedy fans and they don't all want more of that crap, some of us do NOT think AW2 makes 1 look outdated, and some of us are much more aligned with Kasurinen's preferences than Lake's now that the differences are shining through. I'm straight up skipping the next Rowley game. With the overwhelming praise that Alan Wake 2 got, there's little reason for them to rethink the direction they're going, so I'll just wait for Control 3 instead.

With how much I loved Alan Wake, it's crazy to think that I'm skipping 3 after getting for 2 for a decade. But that's how it goes.
They said this wasn't the story I asked for when teasing the sequel, clearly a statement about taking it in a bold new direction, but it ended up being true simply due to the shittiest RE Engine inspired survival horror game I've ever played.

>>748895054
>reality effected everyone but them
Off topic: I think the siblings subconsciously know it too, they just don't want to admit it. Jesse running away from home by herself, "I always thought we were the same, but what if we are?", Dylan using the right pronouns while expositing, Hiss!Dylan bringing up the theory alongside other things meant to demoralize Jesse, their telepathic connection, and everyone above a certain power level that they meet talking about it. The Fadenlings are more than smart enough to have put the pieces together. They're just terrified that the truth will somehow vindicate what their mum did.

>>748899459
Cleave-Extend master race

>>748898313
Control was my first Remedy game and I don't feel I lost anything by starting with it. In some ways, it gives you more information about the setting than AW does.

>there is ALAN WAKE 2 porn
>there is no CONTROL:RESONANT porn
Hey i agree that Rose lusting after Alent's cock is hot and all but how about some CONTROL appreciation?

Has anybody figured out why there’s leaves floating all around P6’s cell room?

>>748899975
There's written porn on AO3.

>>748899229
I think that doctor at the field office, or a document from her, says something to the effect of the more latent patterning like Zoe and some rangers tested positive for doesn't appear to be terminal or anything. Considering the hedron's hinted at goal is to perfect itself/the earth in preparation for something, I wouldn't be surprised if this gets used in a future game as giving some characters some natural resistance to the hiss or whatever the fuck the hedron is prepping to fight.

Alan Wake 2 is Remedy's Uncharted 4. I will not elaborate.

>>748899767
Thank you for clarifying. What I took issue with was:
>Widely considered their masterpiece by people who don't like their games, yes.
That declaration is cheaply made and unsupportable. There was no need to be haughty.
I do appreciate you tempering that statement with an otherwise clearly subjective take.
>>748900215
4 > 2 > 3 > 1 imho

>>748895054
It was one kid getting completely replaced with two new ones that happen to look exactly like the severed circle protagonists and both took the memories and point of existence of the original so they both remember having a happy life with their parents and then that suddenly changes when the other kid appears because that is the point where the originals memories end.

Mom doesn't think there is one fake and one real kid she knows both of them are fake

>>748891737
That sounds really gay, almost like more corny multiverse shit

>>748898276
Yes but one of the playable characters is a black woman and they need to keep up the larp for the version of their CIA handler streamers that lives eternally in their heads as the wokefinder general.

>>748892554
>verisimilitudiously
Are you calling me stupid?

>>748900850
Theres nothing cromulent about what he said.

>>748900268
2 > 1 > 3 > GA > 4

>>748900559
That easy to have shills defending your honor in image boards? Just add a black protag and every criticism is invalid? Damn. They should have race swapped Dylan.

If the dimension is sealed off now, does that mean a Kingdom Hearts crossover is impossible?

>>748901137
Haven't played the spinoffs, but I hear they're fun. In all honesty, I'd probably put all the games in the same tier. They're such a blast. I really loved the sense of adventure and the cast of characters. I may put 1 below the others simply due to the outdated gameplay, but the story, particular mythology, and locale are just as good as the more ambitious sequels.
Out of curiosity, why do you rate A Thief's End so low? I had a huge smile on my face the whole way through.

I think the Jesse/Dylan is the same person thing is really lazy given they already pulled the same shit with Alan/Zane

>>748901863
Nigga seven years of "a copy of a copy" stuff didn't hit home?

>>748895054
It's literally one kid split in two halves. Jesse represents the strong and more secure side of a one person personality, where Dylan represents the more shy and sensible one.

>>748902554
sense and sensitivity

>>748901403
They sacrificed too much to chase a specific tone for the story and that story ended up mostly retreating old ground and recycling themes already explored in 3.
The tighter level design with some of the best combat scenarios in any TPS gave way to large spaces and open arenas. All of which are pretty good in isolation, but severely lacking variety in gameplay scenarios, Scotland being one of the very few exceptions. Gone are the supernatural elements (sacrificing much needed enemy variety) to serve to more serious and earned storytelling like an ass pull brother to give Troy Baker another job.
Can you seriously revisit the "you haven't been to a Panamanian jail" line from Drake's Fortune and tell me the most traumatic event of his life when he thought he lost his brother forever is exactly the tone Amy Hennig was going for with her writing?
Druckmann's style was a bad fit for Uncharted and it negatively impacted every element of the game. Level design being the most surprising since Straley also directed 2 and The Last of Us has good level design as well.
The pacing is perhaps the biggest issue with so many back to back long sections of "platforming", which plays itself in Uncharted. Just holding forward while characters retread Uncharted 3 themes. The simple and automated platforming was a great fit for the combat spaces of the original trilogy, they were never meant to carry a game.
It baffles me to this day that so many people consider it the best.

>>748901137
Oh and forgot to rank The Lost Legacy, I'd put it right after 1. Fantastic game.

Game's is too fucking short.
NG+ doesn't help much when I am already OP as fuck.
Hope we get some DLC soon-ish.

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what the hell is that, the game calls attention to it with a board quest

>>748891436
The manbun looks gay as fuck

>>748903201
>>748903139

>>748902670
Appreciate the viewpoint. Frankly, I don't remember 3 all that well so I'm due for a replay of the series down the road. I'll be able to compare the games better that way.
I really enjoyed the open areas and cinematic set pieces that you could run and gun (or stealth) in, but I agree that tighter corridors with a methodical duck-and-cover approach has its strengths. I enjoyed that part of Mass Effect despite the shooting being far from the best in vidya.

I also agree that there could have been a much heavier dose of supernatural elements. Visiting Shangri-La in 2 was absolutely incredible. But even then, I really enjoyed finding the "Pirate Heaven" and navigating it.

I think the levity of the jail line and the trauma of thinking you've lost your brother can coexist. People suffer tragedies, but that doesn't mean they're incapable of making jokes. He also could have been more guarded in that moment as he knew Elena less well.

I've always enjoyed longer sections (e.g., Demon's Souls' huge maps compared to the tighter Dark Souls maps), so this was a big positive for me. I don't recall playing any of the levels on a sort of "autopilot," but I also played at the highest difficulty where getting shot a couple of times resulted in a permaheem.

Hopefully the next installation gives you more of what you're looking for. We certainly agree that greater mythological development, higher stakes, and a fresh look at the prevailing themes are welcome.

>>748899767
Alan Wake 1 was never a good or a great game. It was a decent game with an interesting story. That's the reality of it. Same applies with American Nightmare. Not considering that Alan Wake 2 is a straight up improvement over thje first, it's objectively wrong.

>>748901863
It explains how Alan could be saved. Two parautilitarians of equal power working in perfect sync would be able to snare a two-faced antagonist.

>>748903431
>a decent game with an interesting story
Alan Wake 2 is worse on both accounts, so even going with your opinion of 1 it's still a downgrade to me.

>>748903301
>Hopefully the next installation gives you more of what you're looking for. We certainly agree that greater mythological development, higher stakes, and a fresh look at the prevailing themes are welcome.
The Lost Legacy was a big step in the right direction from that perspective. Really excellent entry. Hope the guy who directed it is leading the next one if it's really happening. It was held back a fair bit by the lower budget, however. So even though it's much more attuned with the setting and explores its culture and mythology in more depth, this never translates to enemy variety. But it's a terrific game and I would be perfectly happy to see Chloe carrying the franchise. They should bring back Cutter too, he would be infinitely better as the third wheel to her and Nadine than Sam was.

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>>748904250
I'll have to check out The Lost Legacy. The notion of playing Uncharted without Drake didn't wow me, but you've done a good job selling it.

>>748904442
Considering 4's ending, you'll have to get used to that idea sooner or later anyway.

>>748903139
>>748904261
I really need to do more exploring for health upgrades because everyone has the half screenwide healthbars while mine is like a half or a quarter of that

>>748904845
I figured the next one might feature his daughter. Though I feel like that would be a little underwhelming, especially as Lara Croft exists (I haven't played those games but my understanding is they are fairly similar).

>>748905035
maybe you have the chocolate bar equipped that halves your hp

>>748905176
No its not that. I've just been missing upgrades I guess. I'm at the underpass and haven't done the mold area yet so maybe I'll find more there. I also haven't properly explored the first are at the oldest house since the start of the game so I probably missed some there too

>>748891436
so which of them is fake?

>>748906107
Both are

>>748905787
>maybe I'll find more there
>missed some there too
Big map shows you how many upgrades are in each area and how many you already got.

>>748906173
Does that mean Jessy+Dylan+Emily threesome is possible?

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>>748891436

>Everyone knows they're the same person
>Everyone knows the plot twist since 2019
>Its hammered and implied repeatedly in Resonant
>Every character in-game is still absolutely clueless

Is this the most bizarre non-plot twist in recent Gaming memory?

They even set it all up in the first game seven years ago and they still refuse to basically confirm what is so hilariously obvious at this point now. By the time its fully revealed no one will fucking care even if they are a fan.

>>748907563
I don't remember anyone talking about this when the game came out, personally.
But it's not really this series' style to make a big deal out of twists. I don't think the AMERGHED THEY'RE THE SAME moment with characters making faces will ever come. The possibility of Alan writing the events of the game in motion gets no comment from a single character. It's all just presented as food for thought for us, they don't dwell on character drama.

>>748907563
>>748907895
It's interesting how the sequel takes a very different approach from the first.
In Control 1, it's all about turning the ordinary into the extraordinary. There a secret organization working in the shadows, people can have paranormal powers and regular looking items can be object of power.
In Resonant, all the paranormal stuff is taken as given. Instead, the game focuses on finding the normal amidst all the weirdness that manifests itself plainly. It's about Dylan trying to connect to people, (re)discover his connection with his sister, and learning to like karaoke.

>>748907563
I actually think that they are not the same person and people are simply confused by the story.

>>748908346
>learning to like karaoke
Crap i did the Karaoke but fucked up and one person died.

>>748908346
I was unsure about that shift going in, but I really like it now because it manages to lower the stakes a bit. The threats are still world ending, but it's now less about the infinite mystery of the oldest house and the shit that happened in Ordinary becomes a bigger focus. What was backstory is likely to be front and center to close the trilogy, and I find that more interesting at this point, the FBC stuff is too superhero like and I'd rather focus on the weird.

>>748908426
Does he not talk about liking karaoke if you mess up? That's funny.

>>748907895

Dylan has a moment during his dream scenes in the first game where he hard implies both Jesse and himself have very misleading androgynous names that could be construed as either male or female.

>>748908351
>>748907563
>>748908346
I think the real idea is that they were originally one person, and then they split. The videogame the kid was gifted very likely caused it. The game with the Mother/EarthBound sequence also heavily implies that Jesse was the fake one and that Dylan was the original, since his appearance matches the parents. (This is made even more obvious by the fact that the father is blonde and the mother has brown hair.)The parents very likely broke down because of misunderstandings, like: "Wow, where's this new kid coming from? You cheated on me."

So the game confirms that when this kid was a child, he was a single person, but then he became two separate people. (The personality split: Jesse is the strong and less timid kid, while Dylan simply represents your average, sensitive, shy kid.)

The real question is why, after the accident in Ordinary, the twins can't coexist in the same place and be active at the same time. The first game ends with Dylan going into a coma, and this time it's Jesse. Also, the board at the end of the game says that the two can't meet and stay alive at the same time, for some reason.

>>748908954
Yeah but people weren't taking it as evidence of anything. Just a schizo dreaming of alternative timelines

>>748908351

There is far too much mounting evidence in Resonant not to dismiss it now as just a theory. Especially when you have letters from the Faden grandmother explicitly screeching to one of the parents "What do you mean BOTH KIDS??" and stuff like Jesse repeatedly chanting "Jesse Dylan Faden" in the final Fault section of the game.

Its the Severed Circle 2 game console that probably did it. The Christmas morning probably split the single kid in two people. Thats why the father shoots the TV set, why it still works after the bullet and why he couldn't afford to support an additional mouth to feed in the family.

>>748909359
The game essentially confirms it. Only that they just became two seperate person with their own personality. It doesn't hide it anymore at all. As I said here: >>748909324

Dylan is literally me. I even have a big ass head

>>748900501
The AWE dlc was multiverse and people liked that.

>>748899140
Fair criticisms of AW2 but it's really not that bad considering it's a "modern audience" sequel to an inherently flawed game (AW1). I read through your posts and I have to disagree with the gameplay being a weaker RE2make clone. Survival horror games are inherently derivative, yet AW2 does do things differently at times. I personally wish it were more like the first game but what we got after 13 years is already quite compelling, and it could have been way, way worse.

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>>748909353
There was plenty of evidence just in the first game

Dylan’s “dream” of which they pretty much all end up being true in weird ways like meeting Mr Door and knowing about Alan wake

>Dylan: "I was back in Ordinary before all of this happened. But in the dream, I was alone. It was just me. I was the only child, a girl. My name was Jesse Dylan Faden. But then the Bureau came and caught me, brought me back here, locked me up. Have you ever noticed that our names - Jesse, Dylan - they could be girls' names, boys' names, could be anything. Don't you find that weird? I find that weird."

Likewise, the Hiss chant (which is actually written by Alan Wake, so it makes sense it actually has plot relevant meanings) literallt incoudes the words “the only child, a copy of a copy of a copy”

Documents note the there’s NO record of the Faden children anywhere outside of the town of Ordinary (neither for “Hugo Stamp” either, a child who in Ordinary only existed in documents on the school register, and his home was just where he lived without parents somehow. The FBC notes they did find records of a Stamp family elsewhere where their two kids were Hugh and Gloria, implying Hugo was the opposite of Jesse and Faden. Two siblings merged into one person)

The documents within Ordinary thst list Dylan and Jesse are noted to be weird as fuck because they only ever mention one or the other. Never both at the same time. (Same with the types of documentation. One has a birth certificate, one has a medical record. Not both etc)

>>748909324
We know the video game and television is an object of power because Dylan specifically remembers the dad accidentally shooting the tv when wrestling the gun off the mom

Then when you’re in the game flashback Dylan notes it’s “lucky” the tv is not damaged at all somehow from the bullet

This is because objects of power are indestructible typically

There’s actually a number of things that are weird about ordinary. I wonder if it’s a Bright Springs type place where it just has a weird weak spot to another realm. Because both the video game and the slide projector and the magical kids is quite a coincidence for one small town

>>748911451
I know, I'm not saying it wasn't there or that it wasn't planned from the start, but having played Control day one, I do not remember people treating it as fact at all. Maybe I just missed those discussions, it's perfectly possible, but I didn't see it. It was hidden in plain sight, but, at least early on, it did stay hidden.
I'm sure some people figured it out, but "a twist everyone knew since 2019" sounds like revisionist history from my perspective.

>>748911735
Well, I don’t know what to tell you. If you were a big fan of control and discussed theories that was probably one of the top prominent ones immediately after release

I’d post a link but they’d all be from Reddit anyway

Just finished the game. What the hell are they going to do about the Hiss? Just one getting out will be enough to infect the entire planet. Is this addressed anywhere optional like a file or convo?
Seems like letting the Hedron pattern all of NY would have been the best move since it only seems to be interested in the Hiss. Once they're gone, it wouldn't have a reason to stick around, right?

>>748912517
Nah pope says the Hiss are just way too weak by the end of the game to spread like they used to. The patterning altered what was left of them and they’ve been cut off from their home dimension or seven years anyway

By the time the barrier actually falls the hiss will be dealt with

>>748912694
Okay. I must have missed that. That makes sense.

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The lack of Sam Lake's involvement is very noticeable.
>no x-files twist
>no musical/combat sequence
>game drags on for way too long
Alan Wake 2 had more buzz around it and was IMHO; a much more significant game compared to Resonant.

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>even the feet are covered up
they really dialed the reddit.md in this sequel to a fucking 11

>>748913773
>Alan Wake 2 had more buzz around it
It literally could not be discussed here because of how bad the shitposting was and it still can't. Go fuck yourself.

So I reached the Unknown, the P6 program was nice to see and the dialog between Zoe and Dylan was fine, though they wasted a perfectly good opportunity to put in a
>What happened here?
>I did
But honestly, I just wish more of the game would be about the Hiss trying to reach out for Dylan again and maybe the Board getting some measure of character development as well. I really can take or leave the FBC at this point.
Which mission do I go to to kill Arish? I think he's got the Command skill and I really need some help on the SHUM gauntlets

>>748916147
This is also largely a PC-centric board and it being Epic exclusive took care of the rest of the shitposting that wasn't focused on Saga. Resonant threads have been genuinely very good and full of actual game discussion.

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>>748891436
just finished it, absolute pure kino goty, hope with expansions they expand on combat, make input combos with weapon swap and combo breaker swap combo inputs add more to the skill tree and cosmetics, bosses with 1 or 2 more attack patterns alongside a story expansion will 100% play it again

>>748916269
You're almost there. Keep doing the main mission.

>>748916401
He's not after the Earthbound stuff, is he?

>>748916509
I did it before. Actually, it's possible he's skippable? You need to go to the Unknown field office.

>>748916147
The threads on release were shitposter central, culture war slop but a few months in, especially around the game awards, meaningful discussion still happened.
>>748916285
>it being Epic exclusive took care of the rest of the shitposting that wasn't focused on Saga
That too but you could easily tell which threads had genuine discussion and which were pure shitposting.

>>748916606
I think most resonants are actually skippanle. It’s just the finding Jesse quests that are essential

>>748911623
Yeah, I mean about ordinary is that you have to wonder how the projector also ended up there in the first place. But the Mother type sequence was very cool, biggest homage that they could've done to the Mother series as well.

Plus the detail that showed that if the FBC actually wanted to force the power in a proper way from Dylan was just to put him in a danger situation with a person that he cares about, the fact that Dylan used a baseball and Jesse a slingshot, both representing what they use as Object of Power, really cool stuff. Plus the bullies were stupid and the "mother" like figure as a monster was very cool, even tho I wonder if it was just another mold.

i will personally make sure arish doesn't survive the fucking night today

SHUT THE FUCK UP

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>SAVIOR; DANCING ON A RAZOR
>BLEEDING ON THE BLADE; I FIGHT FOR CONTROL
>IT'S IN MY NATURE, I'M A HELLRAISER
>TILL THE BITTER END; I FIGHT FOR CONTROL
>(WE GO TO WAAAAAAAAAAR)

How the hell are they going to cover up the Manhattan AWE? Even if they somehow locate and mindwipe (assuming they can do that) every civilian and don't miss any, what do they do about the patterned city or the fact that New York was completely off grid for multiple days and all 8 billion people outside know?
Seems like Control 3 will have to have the paranatural as just public knowledge.

>>748918929
>How the hell are they going to cover up the Manhattan AWE?
blame the jews

>>748918929
Gonna be hard when they have also Core doing espionage on them.

>>748918356
I was actually theorising about the different slides we get to see in person

Previously and in this game we find out that Nosebleed Neil gets trapped in the meadow slide, the one that smells really nice, melts things and makes you sleepy. It’s implied the dung monkeys killed the dog Bogus and threw him in there too, or just threw him in there

Earlier, when Jesse and Dylan go into that slide, they do fall asleep and… nothing happens when they wake up. But outside everything is melted

When Neil is stuck in there with the dog, he merges with the dog

Could this mean the “normal” function of the meadow slide “melts” or “merges” things together. Be they objects or living things. And Jesse and Dylan were immune even when it melted everything else, because they are literally the same person already so it kind of negates the typical effect

>>748918929
Some Arabs flew a plane full of hallucinogenic as and drones doing light shows over New York for a week

Now we gotta go to war with Iran for our freedoms (and to steal their objects of power)

>>748919745
As I stated to my other post, it feels like that the only thing that "melted" or "combined" together was their coscience. Which would explain why there were a lot of scene in the Gap where they were exchanging bodies.

>>748919917
Maybe but I figured that was just imagery showing they were one person that split in two using the game

Also why jesse can sort of swap places with Dylan to save his life at the end. She probably understands it more than him at this point given seven years as FBC director and access to all info

>>748920081
They were also sharing thoughts and words, something that was unprecedented before. In the flashback they make very clear that the two of them thought stuff differently, instead in the gap and such they are shown more of a conscience conenction for some reason. Which might have happened in the meadow slide.

Plus I am sure that Winnie is just a descendant of Dogneil. That's why it sticks with Dylan.

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>>748920252
I assumed the dog Dylan runs into was the missing dog from one of the citizen notes.

Anyways, here's what adult Neil looks like.

>>748918434
Fuck Arish. All my homies hate Arish.

>>748918638
Honestly they should have saved this song for the final sicko moment instead of just when you're entering unknown.

>>748918356
>But the Mother type sequence was very cool
It would have been cool if it was just an easter egg, but in reality this was a shameless exposition dump on a budget.

>>748921770
I mean at one point you needed to know what happened at Ordinary. Plus there's a lot of details about it being vague.

The ending of the taxi quest pissed me off

>>748922172
Yeah, but since the live action clips in 3d videogames is Remedy's schtick, they could have made a nice live action clip to tell that part of the game's story. That would have been cooler.
>But muh movie
Just one skippable 15- 20min clip wouldnt hurt the whole game. That earthbound thing goes for almost an hour if you take your time with it, and its a terrible pace killer

>>748922172
>needed to know what happened at Ordinary
we've already know this since the first Control, the files on the AWE were explicit enough

>>748922390
seems like there's only two sidequests worth your time, the bulb changing one and the karaoke.

>>748922552
Sam Lake not being involved made sure that a lot of these stuff were missing from the game.

>>748922717
Pope's balloons for the reward, the dog one, and the mold twins were all fun, I think the taxi one annoys me so much because I loved the setup and finding them in every zone

>>748922717
How could you forget about Fred, the best director the FBC ever had!?

Control 1
>learn about Not-Mother
Control 2
>play not-Mother
uhhhhh KINO?

>>748922717
The subwoofer quest was great. Nice reward too.

>>748922915
>Pope's balloons for the reward
which was? I just remember floating taxis in the sky.
>>748922979
Right, how could I forget about he realest nigga Fra.
>>748922915
>I think the taxi one annoys me so much because I loved the setup and finding them in every zone
The ending is shit. But the area with the taxis definitely reminded me of the dark place in AW2, with some max payne sprinkled in. I'm 99'% sure they're gonna reuse the new york assets on the max payne remake.

this game would look so sick in first person

>>748923320
A good chunk of the subquests just describe what was really the relationship between Dylan and Jesse after the Ordinary accident.
The Taxi one is about the struggle of finding each other again.
The mold one is about Jesse finding Dylan not being himself, aka when he found him infected with the hiss.
The bunker bros it's about Dylan that Jesse won't ever find him again and believing that she's death outside for good.

It’s been a while since I played control but all characters other than Dylan and kind of Zoe felt very under-utilised. Odd when they made a big deal about Jesse, pope, Langstom etc when Jesse barely has any lines and the others don’t have much either

After arish got demoted I must have went into that room he was moving in like fifty times but he only had the one dialogue the first time. The next time we hear from him he’s a patterned enemy lol

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>THE STAND USER COULD BE ANYONE

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I can fix her...

>>748925985
lowkey same sprite as Jesse and Dylan's mother

>>748926120
Maybe it took that form because they were first to enter its dimension?

>one of the achievements is a perfect result in karaoke
Well isn't that a bit of a bummer

what is an "FBC task" and how haven't I completed any after reaching the credits

>>748927613
theres a dude at the Field Office that's Arish's replacement, you gotta talk to him. There's a board of mini quests, and they'll be all over in each sector.

>>748927613
There's a guy in the field office (facing out from the Voxcom building, he's on the left near a billboard). He's a parautilitarian with the power to be unnoticed.

>>748926285
Dylan says he wishes their mom was there, that’s when the not mother appears.

Later when Jesse wishes their parents would dissapear, all the parents dissapear

The temple slide seems to have some kind of “have a wish” power

Probably one of those “wish for something she get a bad version” though

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Dad of the year

this mold hannah segment creepy af

>>748929090
Heidiiii HEIDIIII

Emma from Beast of Reincarnation would be a good friend for Dylan, they'd eat mold and glue together.

>>748916338
This is basically my wishlist as well.
Enhanced resonants, expanded aberrant switching options (could be rolled into the skill tree pretty easily), more story, more cosmetics.

Also having Ahti and Former basically be non-entities in this game is so strange.

>>748929090
It made me a bit sad. The mold is kind of tragic in this one. You see with the resonant it's like it's trying it's best to become human and failing

>>748929414
That's essentially the "weird" touch that the game is lacking. The lack of Sam Lake made sure that all of his stuff wasn't in the game.

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>>748918638
>>748921723
True but it also felt pretty Kino after seeing how fucked up the FBC was to Dylan and how powerless he felt in his childhood section to get to the rooftop and the board telling you to take the plunge to the Unknown and just letting it all out on some Hiss fucking shits now you're a parautilitarian god

>>748918638
That was exactly how I felt when the song came on

>>748929006
Absolutely not. Total Darling Death.

I wish you could make the aberrant into a regular sword shape. They should have made skins for the weapon types too

I really really like the game, the further I've got into it the more I've appreciated it. I don't really give games high scores personally that often but this is a 9/10 easily, the first control was an 8/10.

I wish there was more depth to the combat than just mashing square.

Actually the more I play the game the more I realize the absolute perfect style Control game would be to take the universe of Control, and merge it with the gameplay loop of a game like Returnal / Saros. It would mesh together so well, and because Control is already set in this unique universe the concept of a rogue like works absolutely perfect for it.

Man I want to see a game like that, I'm not gonna read too much into this thread though because I don't want to spoil the ending of the game and I've avoided spoilers thus far. Just killed the final Resonant and I'm close to the end I think

>>748929006
based dad Darling!

Anyon else pleased at how intuitive the map is?

Considering how much of it has subway tunnels, non mapped sections, and a bunch of multi level gravity sections, I didn’t really get lost much at all

Also I found it decently simple to find all the important missions and side missions. The only one I bothered looking up for in the end was that camera quest because there were like 3 I couldn’t find

I think it helps that despite being open world the environments aren’t actually that big. You have a couple streets per section really. If you KNOW something is there you can just walk each street and survey it essentially. That’s how I always found the taxis and dogs

>>748931612
I found the camera locations pretty interesting puzzles in themselves. There was one in the western zone I couldn't locate until I started to pixel peep in earnest and could just about to make the words "Museum of Curiosities" on the banderoll. "Woah, I know exactly it is now!". A nice lightbulb moment.

I just wanna say that it's kind of astounding, given some of the other recently released AAA western vidya, that Remedy of all fucking studios managed to somehow release something that mostly avoided the ire of the anti-woke crowd.

>>748930707
Also loved Control Resonant (and control 1)

Weirdly despite Resonant lacking the punch of Control 1 or Alan wake 2 in that weird factor to me. I think the plot is actually much stronger. Maybe because Dylan actually has a fucking character arc in this game, whereas Jesse felt more like somebody meandering around monologuing to herself in her head, and Alan feels like a meta character

It feels good to see Dylan go from the hated/feared meek abused kid, to this badass “I have something to live for” Chad. I’m actually replaying it now and it’s interesting you even have alternate voice options for conversations because I don’t think there’s REALLY a major difference in how you react to things desu. It’s not exactly an RPG where you can be evil Dylan or good Dylan.

One thing I really enjoyed about control and now control resonant is that by the end of both games with all your upgrades, you feel overpowered as shit, and it’s not “bad design” or “button mashing” to me, more narrative sense. You are supposed to be overpowered by the endgame. You’re meant to have self actualised into a badass parsutilitarian people are in awe of

Just had a theory thought. The Severed Circle 2 poster you can see on your endgame shirt shows the main two characters. A redhead wizard girl, and a dark haired boy knight. Obviously Jesse and Dylan

But if they were seperate into two new kids from one child, does this literallt mean jesse has the “wizard” ranged powers. Hence the service weapon gun, and being able to bind objects of power

Meanwhile, Dylan is noted as never being able to bind any objects of power unlike Jesse (because he’s NOT a wizard despite his powers) until jesse gives him his “sword” like the knight, the aberrant

>>748923320
Pope balloons reward you with a Resonant ability point, ie, you can pick one more from the Resonants you've already killed at the Mural.

>>748931978
That might just be because it released on the same day as the new Silent Hill game and bunch of other games. Reactionaries were still tearing Wolverine apart.

>>748931946
Yeah finding the camera locations was neat, but I didn't like how some of the puzzles to close the camera lid involved getting caught then running past where the camera would be to unlock a door from the inside.

>>748932169
I think there were two like that? And one had an Alan Wake Easter egg inside.

What’s the max health?

I had 1900 health and 2400 power by the end


Plus 1 health upgrade point and 2 power upgrade points so I assume I missed some

>>748932338
I think you just keep getting them through zone upgrades?

>>748931946
I found one of the Western Incursion cameras by noting the queue of cars all in a single direction and searching the parking garage fault area

oh shit, update nuked my playstation stuff, how do I get the Bloodborne clothes back?

>>748932535
Buy a playstation and a time machine

>>748929006
CASPER WHEN I CATCH YOU CASPER

>>748932027
>One thing I really enjoyed about control and now control resonant is that by the end of both games with all your upgrades, you feel overpowered as shit, and it’s not “bad design” or “button mashing” to me, more narrative sense. You are supposed to be overpowered by the endgame. You’re meant to have self actualised into a badass parsutilitarian people are in awe of
The level after Dylan accepts the Hiss and proceeds to go apeshit on the Hedron mobs ruled and was a great callback to the first game when The Board unleashed Jesse. Also, when you unlock Ruthless you can basically do that everywhere, it's ridiculous how much I one-shot Heavies with that.

>>748932925
>that second Dylan watched his past self for a second before just crashing through and absorbing/accepting it all
Absolute cinema

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>90% of female streamers are complaining that Dylan looks a bit too ugly
why did they make him incel coded?

>>748933281
Labrat MCs are always a little bit incel-coded. Tetsuos and the like.

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>>748929006
He loves silly little pranks!

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bigf**t bros...

>>748933281
I also dont like playing him (male), very unattractive. I put the bag on his head.

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This is all happening under Mamdani, by the way.

How good is this? I 100%'d control 1 and really enjoyed it even if it was too easy.

Will I be missing anything if I didn't play AW2?

>>748933281
Jesse has a man face and Dylan has an incel face

It’s a faden thing

>>748934546
Not really. Alan Wake is barely referenced at all here compared to control 1

>>748933805
>bigfart

>>748891436
Why the FUCK did no one tell me theres an entire ARG based around the Blessed organisation?

Why didn't Remedy promote this at all its essential?

>>748928232
How I wish that were true.

There's a new Stupendium fan-song about the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qriW3LiZUg

>>748919745
Good point.

>>748934546
>How good is this? I 100%'d control 1 and really enjoyed it even if it was too easy.
its shocking how good this game is compared to control 1 thats how good it is, it just needs some things fleshed out like combat and boss attacks and its legit a 9-10/10 game right now for me its a strong 8/10 game

>>748937370
also enemy variety and i dont mean the biome they come from i mean their attack patterns the last area is too similar to the hiss enemies