When did you realize the English text in Japanese games is all just pure fanfiction?
>>748894616During the 3DS era of Fire Emblem.
>>748894616>why are they never punished?
>>748894616Get rid of female script editors and this problem goes away.
The name changed from HANA JD to POPPI QT PIE?
>>748895708She didn't say that
>>748895708In JP she goes from Hana JS, to Hana JK, to Hana JDIn EN she goes from Poppi alpha, to Poppi QT, to Poppi QT PI
>>748894616Some years ago when /v/ made it very obvious to me. Pretty sure it was FE threads
>>748895747How would you know? Were you there?
>>748895951>Poppi alpha, to Poppi QT, to Poppi QT PISuch retarded names. I want to punch whoever suggested those.
>>748894616So what's the original
>>748896113Whats your idea ken sama, keeping japanese school abbreviations ?
>>748894616FFVI, FFVII, FFVIIIThese people deserve the worst, including its defenders.
>>748895747She would though if given the chance
>>748896212>keeping japanese school abbreviations?Yes
>>748896212Hana Cunny, Hana Hebe, Hana Cake.
>>748896345Dumb weebLocalization is adaptation
>>748896212It would make just as much sense as alpha, QT and QT Pi so why not?
>>748896385Sorry we don't use those gook names, what about hannah cunny hannah hebe and hannah cake
alright you fuckers how would you translate a character who speaks in θδΊΊθͺ
>>748894616And yet they're always superior.This will be my only post. Continue to seethe subtards.
>>748896458Alpha as in early stagesQT is cutieQT pi is cutie pieYou retarded weeb how is a wordplay same as using japanese school stuff
>>748896452Gohan should be called Rice in the english adaptation of DBZ
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>>748895708>>748896113>>748896345
>>748896479kek alright I'd compromise on those.
>>748894616Localization is better.
>>748896115>Hey Zeke, you can spoil me some more woof>This is my hidden bestial function, dog ear version
>>748896115>Wan, wan wan wan!
>>748896553Those don't convey anything about her age and school status like the jp version, thoughever. It's not even a "bad" translation, it's not a translation at all.
>>748896524The English equivalent would be someone who talks like Yosemite Sam.
>>748896971AI is objectively better here
>>748897107Thats not her age or school status too, it doesnt even stand for "joshi daigakusei" its short for "Judgement Day"
>>748894616Yeah let me just read a language I can't understand, fucking dumbass.
>>748897235skill issue
>>748897232>it doesnt even stand for "joshi daigakusei" its short for "Judgement Day"
>>748896524Depends on the sentence. English doesn't have a written dialectal equivalent. Most ε½Ήε²θͺ can't be directly translated, though certain characterizations could be included to help demonstrate it (e.g., a well-placed "sonny boy" or a "heavens to Betsy" to help express age).
>>748894616When they fuck up a character's sex in FF14 so badly they first went with the excuse that the character was turned into a tranny by a dragon which most people will see in game, only to make up some bullshit years later in a lore book nobody actually reads.
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>>748897508Why did this Japanese woman become British?
>>748897594england can't have their bri-ish localization?
>>748897807I prefer to use the term "shouldn't"
>>748897112yeah i'm sure professor oak should talk like yosemite samfucking retard
>>748897864yeah he should that would be funny
>>748894616When I watched some bilingual streamer cross-reference the scripts in real-time. The every so often controversy really doesn't paint full picture. Normally it gets swamped in culture shit that misses a lot of the persuasive tone issues and basic mistakes.
>>748898329good post esl bro
>>748896452They really adapt it when they miss basic punctuation. It is really strange how common a question that is clearly question and marked as a question, somehow that part gets lost in translation.
>>748896762kill yourself you mentally ill incel
This is gonna be a thread of all the same Nintendo Treehouse shit that gets thrown around every time, innitYou can at least click around on Legends of Localization to see some actually interesting examples instead of getting spoonfed somebody's personal vendetta presented as an industry jihad
>>748898746Don't you mean γγ€?
>>748898949Legends of Localization has the same problem every one of those translation comparison sites have, which is that they're too afraid to actually be critical. So there will be big elephants in the room, and they won't mention it because they don't want to start shit.
>>748899115>which is that they're too afraid to actually be criticalI think you're mistaking not being a pink wojak IRL for not being critical, LoL calls these "bad translations" outright
>>748894649that guy literally won and married a qt japanese woman though.
>>748898949LoL defends localization and its practice. I have no respect for the man. The only thing he goes hard on is fantranslations.
>>748898329Got a link? I want to actually see how much is wrong
I prefer translations rather than localizations but accept that localizations are an acceptable middle ground if it means products are more ecconomically viable and more titles are released in the West as a result. However the state the industry is in localisers all too often overstep the bounds and drift into rewrite territory, disrespecting both the source material and audience.
>>748899630I wasn't talking about Xenoblade. No one's done it for Xenoblade. Different game series. Valkyria Chronicles. Just spend a few months doing flashcards and reading a grammar guide. And have a dictionary on hand. You can see how heavily altered Xenoblade is in OP. You're not going to be missing much by having suboptimal comprehension. Watch a Japanese stream even.
>>748899807>translations rather than localizationsLocalization is part of translation. When you say you prefer translation to localization, what you mean is that you prefer accurate translations, which include some localization when necessary to preserve the meaning, to rewritten bullshit, which is the product of some hack fraud's incompetence. When you say you accept that localizations are an acceptable middle ground you're saying that you've given up and are willing to accept to current state of Japanese to English game translation.
>>748899807There's a difference between localizing things like pop culture references and jokes that only work in the native language versus completely changing lines because the Japanese are icky and I don't like what they wrote so I'm writing bullshit I made up.
>>748899807it's extremely important to remember these /v/ threads are some of the biggest bubbles on the entire internet and 99% of people don't give a shit
>>748899332Different guy. This guy just posed in a kimono his seamstress girlfriend made.
>>748897232So it's a four layer double entendre? That makes the translation worse, dont you get that?
>>748900149Which is unfortunate, because there are extremely incompetent "professional" translations that get a pass because no one thinks to check.
Isn't that the one where the localizer admitted to not knowing japanese.
>>748900149I would argue outside of dedicated fan bases the vast majority of consumers aren't even aware of what localization is or entails. They only ever interact with the sole iteration of the game available to them. Since voiced lines became industry standard and more developers have started offering JP dubs more people have become aware of flagrant digression from the original script.
A human-edited AI translation is already better than any localization
>>748901034internet's hit peak saturation and 99% of people still really don't give a shit, not a "rising tide" kind of thing
>>748901141I agree but the people who do care have gotten louder and more organised its not something that can be ignored or swept under the rug anymore you see that with the attacks on peoples professionalism at events or on social media.
>>748896971can't wait for ai to replace localizer scum
>>748901861>its not something that can be ignored or swept under the rug anymoreit's easy, watch
>>748895747It's localization, Ken-sama. She did say that, and it's the best thing she could've said.
>>748895951>Poppi alpha, to Poppi QT, to Poppi QT PIThat doesn't even make sense.
>>748897864I named my character "I SAY" specifically to make all the NPCs talk like Foghorn Leghorn
Mythra's kid koko! 62 days remain...!!
>>748900407huh.desu I still consider myself correct then.i think this hatred/dislike/cringing at people for being really into their hobbies to the point they have strong stances; is dumb.the guy likes jap shit. if you don't like him for that then I'd ask: what do you like? what do you care about then?I get it when it's say a weird 40 year old man with EVERY Barney VHS tape or whatever but ragging on some guy because he likes a certain country's culture way more is lame.i'm tired of irony poison.this image is cool as fuck.
>>748900149>normalfags don't give a shitOk and? I'm still going to complain about it.
Sometimes you just know
What's that awful phrase they use in these games instead of "moe"? "Crushy-blushy"?
>>748904948blushy-crushy
>>748904134>MythraHikari
>>748903172>alphathe first version>QTcutie>QT picutie piehope this helps
>>748900149This isn't true at all. The moment they get into foreign media they very quickly realize how bad dubbing and localization are. Just because it is less common for them to be into foreign media at all doesn't mean that they don't quickly realize the bullshit.
>>748904302anon, you're completely right. these retards need to be lobotomized, they're no different than the people trying to subvert any other hobby and destroy it. it'll never make logical sense to me to deliberately make a video game worse.
>>748899807This is a bad mind set. I'd genuinely rather a game never be brought over than it get an awful localization. Yokai watch had such a bad localization, and it was so annoying seeing everyone using the localized terms. It's especially dumb since keeping the original names and what not has the potential to actually teach people about neat things they never knew about, and that just goes out the window when you get shit like pissfartman(an exaggeration) as some localized name.
Don't even get me started on Dragon Quests fanfic localization, bros....
>>748896558Gohan being Ricky, Kuririn being Chester, and Buluma being Blooma would have made DBZ way better.
>>748904948>>748905118They actively make something not sexual into something sexual in their hysterical jihad. Moe very very easily could just be translated to cute even if that'd lose some context. Or you could keep it as moe as an increasing amount of people in the West are aware of it just like how virtually everyone now knows what kawaii means. If you want to try to make some change to make it fit in natural speech more, you could use something like "cutie-patootie" or "sweet/cutiepie". But this doesn't really make sense anyway, it is a recurring joke in otaku media that all the characters naturally use the nichest terms (like everyone knowing what a Lolita complex is). It really wouldn't be different at all for the characters to sound weebish through using moe. Any of this is better than deliberately turning it into something made to be cringe and sound sexual since the retarded localizers view the enjoyment of cuteness and beauty as some sort of extreme fetish.
It's QTΟ you swines
>>748905765Legitimately, I think that would've single-handedly caused DBZ to fail in the west. At most only being popular with the lowest tier of slop enjoyers.
>>748896524They should sound like Abe Simpson or better yet, copy William Shatner. But its literally just fanciful boomerspeak. Try and talk like an old man and it should come natural.
>>748904134Looks more like Milla's kid.
>>748904302Where did this shit even come from anyway? In the past people openly obsessed over foreign cultures they thought were cool. Maybe moving into the later 20th century you'd be jokingly talked about in that regard like a maniac, but it wasn't derogatory nor was there an attempt to shame. But suddenly, now with the internet everyone treats their interests other than the few "safe" ones like they are a list of crimes or sexual deviancies. It is like modern people are so retarded they heard jokes of the past and thought they were both legitimate mockery and commands.
>>748905970In your wild weeb fantasies
>>748905970But it would have been very funny.
>>748900149Plenty of people do care, my guy. Most just realize there is literally nothing that can be done about it other than maybe trying to get into localization yourself, but then you'd have to argue with your trannylator co-workers which could and has gotten people fired.
Do localizers really have to assume every Japanese game is the player's first ever contact with any Japanese media at all though?
>>748897594Thats probably a joke. But if you check out scanlation threads on /a/, there's this guy that loves Shojo manga and also is extremely adamant that only British English and its dialects can be used to properly replicate Japanese speech and writing because American English doesn't have the dialectical depth.
>>748906265Based and true.
>>748898329>>748899818There's one of these for Bloodborne that is interesting but super hard to recommend because the series is incredibly long and released very slowly.
>>748894649γ―γγγγγ¦?
>>748906242They're genuinely stupid people that assume others are as stupid as them, yeah.
>>748900149You have to know there's a problem to be bothered by something. When you buy a foreign game from a reputable publisher, there's an assumption of quality involved. Someone that is monolingual and not heavily invested in bilingual online spaces has zero way of telling that something was changed.
>>748906497Ironic, considering they don't believe in per capita and can't figure out if they're a boy or girl.
>>748906242Basically yeah. Their guidelines (whether imposed or self-created) are often to make a game that some housewife from Nebraska can pick up and not be jilted by how Japanesey everything is. In the old days that was definitely dictated from top-down. But these days with a lot of older translators, it seems habitual.
>>748906814Even then. You look at the recent situation with Umamusume. What does this have to do with making the Japanese presentable? They just suck. Pure incompetence.
>>748904948It genuinely had to be localized that way. The scene is a joke skit based around an otaku character poorly explaining what 'moe' is to a bunch of normies. The problem is that westerners playing Xenoblade Chronicles 2 will read the description of 'moe' in the script and believe that it is accurate to how moe has been described to them before. They will not understand that 'moe' is an outdated term that people deep in actual otaku culture have not used seriously in a decade. They will completely miss every element of the scene that gives it humor.
>>748906021>but it wasn't derogatory nor was there an attempt to shameare you for fucking real? weebs were always made fun of and not a funny and wholesome way and don't get me started on normalfags doing "ironic weeb" shit, even the actual weebs hate them
>>748907156Sorry faggot but the umamusume example is retarded because that character has 0 valley girl traits. It's the opinion of some literal who, completely unfamiliar with the game and character, trying to apply old-ass stereotypes.In trying to rage against bullshit, morons like him and you end up falling in the same pit of having retarded, uninformed opinions. Horseshoe theory at its finest
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