If transforming into a bear is not bestiality than transforming into a child is not pedophilia.

>>748900053
>The music is often fantastic.

It is. That's why BG3 won all the awards. It's hard to find fault in the game.
>it looks nice
>the gameplay is good
>the music is good
The combat theme is the first song you hear and it's amazing.

https://youtu.be/MW1bBywTExU?si=lUHPl6VHxqH2vmmS

The only game that comes close to BG3 in recent years is Expedition 33, but BG3 has better gameplay.

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>TAV!
>QUICK! YOU MUST FIND A CURE OR YOU WILL DIE!
>just kidding! Nothing bad will ever happen to you!
>we want you to rest as much as you can since half the content is in the camp!
>Anyway
>Want to learn magic from Gale? You can maybe fuck Mystra the goddess of Magic if you do!
>Surprise! It's actually gay flirting. We will make your character look sad if you reject the gay sex, and you can't kill him now!
>If you do, it's a game over haha!
>We're whimsy like that
>Surprise! Nigger invites you for a gay dance and vows to win your heart! No you can't get rid of him
>Look! Flamboyant fag lies there half naked with an exclamation mark, you better talk to him if you don't want to miss a side quest!
>Surprise! It's gay flirting! But at the very least you can get rid of him
>You want to romance any of the female characters? You have to work for it chud.
>Anyway, look, we got some gay gnomes that never shut up about being gay!
>I bet you figured we don't take the game we made seriously
>We're whimsy like that
>Oh yeah, just scroll down from all the flirting options with a gay bear druid if you want to progress the story
>Uhh, sorry about the quality drop in act two, we only worked on act one during early access
>So anyway, who cares about the tadpole thing, gay bear druid gay flirts with you!
>Oh and you HAVE to save the lesbians from the evil white dad or you don't get a companion quest and all your work from act one is ruined!
>Fuck off chud they have to scissor first
>We're whimsy like that
>Your reward for all this is a 5 second cutscene of a tree growing by the way
>Oh, remember the waifu you created in the beginning?
>I bet you were anticipating a playthrough where you simp for your tulpa
>Surprise! It's a gay nigger squid! And he gay flirts with you!
>Enjoy gay dating simulator in the city!
>We have a trans drag kween cameo!
>And you better go help the natives accept the refugees and tell them diversity is our strength!
>We're whimsy like that

>>748900053
Its not even finished, and part 3 is so unbearable you just grind through it to get it over with.
Every single companion is unlikeable and are based on the devs so have a 21st century outlook and sarcasm. They dont fit the world at all

>>748900383
Kill yourself

>>748900383
Based. For me, it's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmvVEm5SC8
>Moonlight burning the flower
is one of my favorite lyrical lines.

>>748900383
How are you gonna compare a generational achievement like BG3 with some cookie cutter unreal jeetslop like e33?

>>748900383
>>748900513
Trans coded posting style

>>748900435
True, Part 3 feels rushed. It clearly should have been split into Parts 3 and 4 with Lower and Upper City. That detracts from the main story, along with the irreconcilable pacing issues that accompany a "ticking time bomb" main plot taking place in an open-world sandbox.

>>748900389
Most of this is either factually incorrect or a distorted view based on extreme subjectivity.

>>748900614
I'm a cis hetero male who loves nutting inside post-menopause cougars without worry.

>>748900383
>The only game that comes close to BG3 in recent years is Expedition 33, but BG3 has better gameplay
E33 literally does nothing at a comparable level to BG3. It's an ugly little linear indie game

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>>748900568
>How are you gonna compare a generational achievement like BG3 with some cookie cutter unreal jeetslop like e33?
>cookie cutter unreal jeetslop

Dude... what? If this is "cookie cutter unreal jeetslop" then make something better. If you can't, the designated shitting street is now your mouth.

>>748900383
E33 is a lot of fun and has a great story, but I didn't enjoy the combat system nearly as much as I did BG3's.

>>748900383
out of all the things the music is absolutely average especially compared to Kirill's work or practically the entire Owlkek catalogue
what the fuck
(yes Raphael's song is a cool idea)

>>748900869
>E33 is a lot of fun and has a great story, but I didn't enjoy the combat system nearly as much as I did BG3's.

I just said BG3 has much better combat/gameplay. Both are turn based, but only E33 has QTEs, which make the game a lot less chill.

>>748900952
Reaction-skill gameplay can be fun (I enjoyed Dark Souls and E33, and I peaked at Diamond in LoL), but it's not primarily what I'm looking for in vidya.
I actually dropped E33 after getting to Simon. I gave him like 2-3 tries. It was a really fun fight and me dropping the game was independent of how good I thought it was. I did end up watching the "Return to Lumiere" cutscenes with my buddy who loves the game. I think they did a really nice job in how they chose to end it. Had I actually played through to the end (didn't want to until I beat Simon), I really would have struggled over which decision to make. It was a beautiful existential debate. BG3 doesn't come close to establishing a decision that's so difficult to make.

>>748900053
Yes

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How confident are we that this will be kino?

>>748900698
Do write out what exactly is factually incorrect.
>Inb4 well you can play a le evil guy who just kills everyone and that way you can avoid faggots!

>>748901464
100%

>>748901256
>I actually dropped E33 after getting to Simon

Did you? That's crazy, because I did the exact same thing. In BG3, the hardest fights in the game are just knowledge checks, and it's not something where you need to be trained like a dog to beat.
For example, Apostle of Myrkul is really hard on Honour Mode. However, it becomes way easier if you know that you buy Doom Hammer in Act 1 and hold it until you fight him at the end of Act 2. Stuff like that is why BG3 is better. No matter how hard the fight in BG3, you just need to prepare for the fight like you're Batman and you can beat it.

>BG3 doesn't come close to establishing a decision that's so difficult to make.
Are you talking about Maelle or Verso? I feel like the decision at the end of BG3 is the same (the one about who to transform). Both of those are pretty heavy.

>>748901464
I would say 50%, because they've shown nothing. I want to see gameplay and companions.

>>748900053
I can deal with lower production values pretty easily but man do I very much prefer BG3's homebrewed 5E over OS2's ruleset. I'm gonna be so sad if we're back to action points and ground puddles again, same with randomized loot and the leveling system.

>>748900568
>two retards fighting

>>748900389
>Nothing bad will ever happen to you
>we want you to rest as much as you can since half the content is in the camp!
>I bet you figured we don't take the game we made seriously
>Your reward for all this is a 5 second cutscene
Plus all the heavily exaggerated gay/racial stuff, which covers pretty much everything I didn't directly quote.
It's hard to take this argument seriously. Try playing the game, anon. You'll very likely have fun. No one is gonna force you to be gay.

>>748900389
>>Surprise! Nigger invites you for a gay dance and vows to win your heart! No you can't get rid of him
you can 100% get rid of him. in my run where I used as many unique methods as I could to kill companions I slimed Mizora and he got turned into goo in hell. made the Myrkul fight really hard because I was down a party member but honestly that was my most fun run of the game

>>748901680
>I very much prefer BG3's homebrewed 5E over OS2's ruleset.

I prefer classes to freeform as well. When I play OS2, I treat all the characters as different classes, whereas BG3 did it for you. I like classes because then each person is absolutely necessary
>I need this DEX person because they open the locks
>I need Shadowheart to heal and stand next to the enemy with Spirit Guardians on
People become more important when they're the only one who can do something.

>>748901672
Yes, but more fundamentally about whether to destroy the canvas, and all the fully-realized life within it - including some of your best friends - or not. It invokes the debate about what a life is, what a soul is. It made me consider how even in what we consider to be "real life," if there is a transcendent universal creator who one days chooses to be wrathful, then we're in the same position as those who exist within the canvas. It was just a beautiful metaphysical layer, in my opinion. Watching Esquie and Monoco embrace as oblivion comes broke my heart. They paralleled Verso's faithful animal companions in real life, and showed Maelle and Verso the same level of loyalty and love in-canvas.

The transformation in BG3 can certainly be difficult, but it didn't hit me nearly as hard. I ended up using it to solve Karlach's engine problem. She seemed pretty happy with it in the post-story camp epilogue lol

>>748901807
I agree for the most part, though BG3's version of it also has problems. like you run Bard as your face and that's basically every important skill covered, the rest of your party can be entirely combat focused from there, on top of Bard also being a really good martial class thanks to flourishing slash. but yeah I think 3's class system is way better than the fallout style of just leveling a skill

>>748900053
combat system is pure garbage, i only played and finished it for the quests

>>748901728
>Nothing bad will ever happen to you
At the beginning you are being told you have to hurry and resting advances time. This creates urgency and incentives to play the game smart, rest as little as possible and do as much as possible in the world. But if you play like this is breaks interactions and story. You are supposed to take a rest after almost every fight, and the cutscene explains your tadpole is very super special and it won't turn you, so you can take as much time as you like and explore the entire act one before moving on, doing all the side quests. This is the first point that ruins immersion.
>Seriously
It's the tone you faggot
>5 second
You didn't play the game. When you leave act 2 with the "good" ending of cleansing the land you get shown a tree growing and your character stands smiling like Jesse from Minecraft story mode.

>>748902019
>It invokes the debate about what a life is, what a soul is

I didn't think the ending of E33 was that profound. I've always understood that a person's worth (real or fake person) is in the eye of the beholder. Maelle loves her canvas friends, and she wanted to stay with them. Did I care about them? Honestly, no, because I saw myself as Verso. If I was Maelle, then I would have chosen Maelle. There's no right or wrong answer.
In fact, me and every other gamer is closer to Maelle when not playing E33. The decision is reality vs escapism, and people who play games are choosing escapism.

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>discord trannies are so not mad about the no alphabets mod that they report spammed the last thread and got it deleted

>People who call it "woke" couldn't be further off the mark. You can kill pretty much anyone.
I genuinely have no idea why fags like you keep spamming this cope when "you can kill pretty much anyone" is a basic feature people expect from a RPG and does nothing to remove the woke content.

>>748902537
>does nothing to remove the woke content.

How is killing someone not removing the woke content? Are you still mad at their corpse?

>>748902406
Your first point, which strays from the claim that "Nothing bad will ever happen to you," is addressed here: >>748900698

I and many others do not read the tone the same way you do. The game clearly has many heartfelt moments and treats certain scenarios with appropriate gravity. There is whimsy and lightheartedness, but that does not establish that the devs didn't take the game seriously.

I completed one playthrough of the game over ~160 hours. Your reward for the "good" ending in Act 2 goes beyond a 5-second cutscene, as other key storylines and characters are dramatically affected.

We will have to agree to disagree. You are far too emotional at this moment to have a rational conversation.

>>748902537
it's a game entirely about securing bodily autonomy from a religious cult, it is inherently woke in this regard but culture warriors here have the understanding of a rock so they think they are circumventing the woke by hyperfocusing on the fact that you can kill THE GAYStm.

the wokeness is as always not even the main problem with the game, unless somehow all the dev time for act 3 went into modeling and animated the gay gnomes lmao

>>748902589
I don't care that a NPC is dead or not when the woke shit is still in the game and only keeps coming.

>>748902537
It sounds like you're saying that the mere existence of LGBT and minority-race characters is woke. That's not really the meaning of the word. You can play a very traditional Chad Thundercock who saves the world while turning down every gay romance. Minority races have existed in fantasy for as long as the genre has been around. Changes in human skin color are trivial.

>>748902741
>the woke shit is still in the game

What woke shit do you mean?

>>748902785
Yes, putting faggot shit and "diversity" in your game is indeed a choice the devs had to conciously and frequently make all through the development. It's my choice to avoid playing their woke product as there are dozens of other RPG's.
>>748902815
I see that you're resorting to the patented millenial tactic.

>>748902741
That sounds a lot more woke than the woke shit you're complaining about. If you can kill the games proponents of woke that fundamentally makes it not woke. A woke game would never let you even disagree with a woke mouthpiece. ie Cyberpunk 2077. It sounds more like you just want to behave like the wokies but in favor of your preferred politics instead if theirs

>>748900053
I always saw the Larian vision. Even during DOS1. I am a massive Chud so no this has nothing to with politics. Larian is actually breaking more new ground in gaming than any other studio.

If you don't see it I think it's an IQ issue honestly.

>>748900053
no, its still objectively worse than BG2 in almost all of these things

>>748902785
>It sounds like you're saying that the mere existence of LGBT and minority-race characters is woke

I would agree with him, but if you have the option to kill them, then the biggest homo is the guy crying about them being there in the first place.

>>748902951
You're not going to answer my question? I'm closing the thread. The thread will be closed on the catalog. The vast majority of the board is filtered at all times. You two digit IQ sub-humans will look for me but most of the board is filtered. Start the search.

>>748903020
BG2's gameplay is objectively bad

>>748903003
I just wish their campaigns writing wise were better, I'm all for the larian style sandbox/immersive simmifaction of CRPGs again after it was basically dropped entirely with Ultima dying

>>748901802
>made the Myrkul fight really hard because I was down a party member
People finish this game in solo honor mode, some even as a level 1 sperg. Yes, you need some luck before act 3, but with the right setup you should be safe.

>>748903020
I don't believe you actually believe this.

>>748903169
and bg3's is objectively worse

>>748903212
I see what you mean. But writing has always been their weakest point and it definitely isn't ass shit as it has been in their past games.

>>748903248
sure and people have done solo modded runs of BG1 and 2 on the hardest difficulty too, that doesn't make the fights NOT hard man.

>>748902986
>A woke game would never let you even disagree with a woke mouthpiece
Correct. Too bad that this woke game never lets you to express your feelings about faggotry.
Again, putting all of that shit into the game was a fully aware, lengthy and repeated effort so it's woke. Sorry.
>>748903026
Yes. I refuse to play along with your millenial bullshit.

The point is to invade online spaces and claim that "woke" pertains to such a wide berth of subjects that no one cares about so people become desensitized or annoyed by complaints of "woke" that are artificial or asinine. That's why they spammed and now bank on that Twitter post about liberals pretending not to understand things. It inoculated them from having to ever explain themselves I'm a discussion.

>>748903381
What are these classic RPG let's you say you hate fags and niggers?

>>748903401
It's afraid.

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>>748900053
>it's not woke because you can kill the woke characters! (and lose 99% of quests items and rewards but uhhh that's the price you pay for not celebrating diversity chuddy!)

>>748903302
Explain, obviously without using anything subjective.

>>748902951
You're welcome to ignore it, but the mere existence of minorities is not the meaning of woke. No one is forcing you to romance them and the only content hidden behind romancing them is of the sort that should be expected in an intimate relationship.

Everyone knows that based and TRAD studios are well known for actively pointing out the fact that straight white men play their game and acting like it's something odd.

>>748903442
In case you are genuinrly not aware, you are a tool of the people you claim to hate

>>748903535
Again, nobody forced Larian to put gay sex and minorities in this crap game. This is factual. Their wokeness was their own choice.

>>748903457
>He needs a material reward to kill fags
Not a true chud

>>748903457
>I haven't played the game: the post
quest rewards are few and far between, and they are for the most part not very good. all the best items in the game are bought, or looted from encounters. and the woke quest givers are even fewer and far between.

sex with shadowheart

>>748903457
"Woke" is to glorify progressive ideals. Mere coexistence and cooperation is not woke. I don't see how you don't find Astarion's story compelling simply because he's gay. If that fact alone makes you not want to take out a Vampire Lord, then that's a (You) problem.
>>748903595
Anon, that's not what wokeness is. But I understand if it's enough to make you want to avoid the game.
Any RPGs that you would recommend? I'm currently playing through Planescape: Torment for the first time and really enjoying it. Considering Tyranny or Age of Decadence as my next play.

>>748903582
Yes, me. Definitely not the ones defending woke media.
Let me guess, the shitty Siege of Dragonspear dlc for Baldur's Gate wasn't woke because you can have a unhinged chud meltdown when faces with a troon NPC.

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>>748900053
bg3 make pathfinder looks like shit

>you can kill anyone!
>Eeeeexcept the gay angel girlboss who's totally not some dev's self insert OC, she's immortal and the only way to get her killed is to lock a companion into their quest's evil path forever which prevents you from getting her good end and romance
>oh and if you even try to make the lesbian angel into a dude with a mod we will report spam it until it's taken down from all platforms

>>748903803
That's the point. We're not defending woke media.

>>748903750
>making sure not a single companion is straight isn't woke
>going out of your way to make sure none of the women look "sexualized" and giving them wrinkly dyke faces isn't woke
>making sure your game is "diverse" isn't woke
>recording full mocap gay sex isn't woke
>having a meltdown when faced with the fact white men play your game and refuse to make quirky wholesome POC characters isn't woke
>putting a drag queen tranny in your game isn't woke
>making sure that even the sluts will look like wrinkly 50 year old hags isn't woke
Sure niggy

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>>748903750
>bruh just tolerate all the gay flirting and the gay dialogue and the gay quips and later you fight a VAMPIRE bruh

>>748903905
You're defending a faggot game right now. The one that has a mod dedicated to removing woke shit.

>>748903803
I wish chuds didn't dominate discourse with being so loud and obnoxious all the time, SoD sucked ass because the story was dogshit fanfiction that didn't even bridge the gap between the end of 1 and start of 2. one minor NPC hamfistedly expositing about being trans is like, bottom on the list of issues that shit has.

>>748903891
Play the game bozo

>>748903891
>>748904041
>>748904105
You guys are absurdly rigid in your viewpoints and will never meet anyone halfway. This is not a reasonable discussion.
Fortunately, there are plenty of games you can play that feature 0 gay and/or nonwhite characters.

>>748903595
Gay people exist. I am Catholic and think gay sex is immoral, but a character (that you can instantly kill btw and are even given an instant reason to when you first meet him and in multiple scenes later on) being gay is not woke.

If there was some story beat of "evil stupid homophobes" wanted to attack him and you being forced to defend him while your main character explaining that homophobia is bad. That would be woke.

A gay character existing is just that. If you don't see the difference you are just as retarded as plebbit people. But I understand nuance is lost on the midwit.

>>748904118
Yes. It was shit AND it was woke.
>>748904227
If you feel a hard need to put faggotry in your product, including mocap gay sex scenes, then you're woke. End of discussion.

>>748903891
>Eeeeexcept the gay angel girlboss who's totally not some dev's self insert OC, she's immortal and the only way to get her killed is to lock a companion into their quest's evil path forever which prevents you from getting her good end and romance
false, you can kill her yourself and Shart will leave the party, cutting off the romance but not locking her onto any quest path, because that quest is over. it's one of the ways you can get the slayer form as dark urge.

>>748904227
>If there was some story beat of "evil stupid homophobes" wanted to attack him and you being forced to defend him while your main character explaining that homophobia is bad. That would be woke.
you mean exactly what they do with the poor oppressed tiefling refugees?

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>>748900383
>It's hard to find fault in the game.
I think exact same thing was true for BG2 back in the day. Even parts it didn't excel at were alright, and the complete package was great.

>>748904306
>Yes. It was shit AND it was woke.
and yet people only cry about the latter because you all care about internet slacktivism and the culture war over the qualities of a given title itself

>>748900053
I prefer wotr personally, but bg3 is still a great game

>>748900053
/v/ doesn't have to admit to anything because /v/ is an irrelevant hellhole filled with schizophrenic mongoloids who lack any semblance of critical thinking skills.

>>748904512
Not being facetious, but isn't WOTR known for being a game where you spend 20 minutes buffing your party before the umpteenth trash mob?

>>748900383
I loved it until I got to act 3, then I didn't love it so much, and after like 4 playthroughs, I can say act 3 feels rushed and is very flawed from a pacing standpoint. Most of wyrm's crossing I feel like needed to be cut. And at launch there were a ton of scripting bugs.

>>748904579
BG3 is known as the game a companion tries to gay rape you

>>748900053
funny there's a bg3 thread, I finally made a Barbarian Tavern Brawler and it's been fun throwing shit and I just hit level 5. Dunno if I want to stick with Berserker or try the Giant one, also is there any reason to not multiclass and should I take this all the way to 12?

>>748904407
BG2 is interesting to me as someone who has only played it for the first time recently before BG3's release. I would not have ever guessed in a million years the game's bizarrely lopsided structure of frontloading all the side quests, and making the main plot a mostly linear affair. especially after playing 1, which was pretty evenly paced in this regard. still a great game of course but the difficulty curve of the game is weird because of this frontloading, you can get a LOT of levels under your belt and some of the best gear in the entire game pretty early and dogwalk the underdark for the most part, but you can also rush straight to it so the underdark provides temp weapons and armor that crumble upon surfacing, where you can get back to the side quest grind for levels and loot.

>>748900053
yeah it's a good product but it's also lacking in the most meaningful way, story, it falls flat super hard in act 3
also the companions are very hit and miss, I hate Astarion for being a ginormous faggot who immediately starts doing the same shit Cazador did whenever he gets a little bit of power
Gale is a retard who will use netherese magic thinking he's better than mystra or kill himself because he doesn't think he's better than mystra
Wyll made a deal with a devil, what an idiot
Karlach is missing half her content and her ending is going back into hell where you follow along blindly behind her without any weapon drawn
Lae'zel is the only companion that actually has anything going on story wise and has actual depth
Shadowfart is a typical Selunite turned Shar because Shar is such a dumb cunt she goes out of her way to fuck around with Selunites for no other reason than a petty grudge against her sister, she doesn't actually care about any of her followers
Durge is just Durge, i didn't care for it but apparently the struggle of being good while being durge is good, i don't have an opinion for that
Minthara is a darkie
two druids get added to your party that you never use ever and are relegated to being NPC's for the most part
all characters are playersexual and immediately start hitting on you before you even get halfway through act 1, you literally are not allowed to know about people unless you're in a relationship
it's just shit, the game is serviceable but the story and characters are bad, I don't really like any of the characters in BG3

>>748904683
Idk nearly enough about builds to say. I played a Wizard and had Karlach and Lae'zel wrecking shit with their 2 auto attacks per turn. So if that's any indication, then you're probably on the path to being a god.

>>748904579
If you play on harder difficulties or on console, yeah, sure. Theres a mod on pc that one click buffs you with every spell you set up which i used, so i never cared about that part.

>>748904743
Good to know. I have WOTR in my library and definitely want to play it one day. I've read a lot about it being a peak power fantasy with the mythic paths and so on.

>>748900053
>companion depth are near-indisputably the high points of the genre
Big disagree, most of the companions are incredibly boring. I went into the game expecting hate that metrosexual faggot Astarion, only for him to end up being my favourite character, because he's at least somewhat interesting

>>748904371
You have more of a point there, I'll grant you that. But you are still given multiple viewpoints from different factions. The Druids give good reasons why they must put their people first and aren't painted as "the evil faction". You are free to agree with the Druids and take their side.

The whole Kagha = Trump thing is super gay though. I'll give you that. In a way it's kinda based that he/she's being controlled by an evil shadow cabal, but I'm not so delusional to think they did that on purpose lol. Either way that's like one little plot early on and you are given endless RP possibilities on how to deal with it. Which is what Larian does best.

>>748904683
zerker is probably the best thrower if only because you get bonus action throws, but dipping 2 into fighter for action surge can never hurt. you lose out on a 3rd feat but you only really need tavern brawler to enable the build, STR is pretty easily stacked so losing out on an ability score improvement isn't the end of the world.

>>748904734
>>748904835
Fair point, I overstated how good the characters as a whole are. I'm playing Planescape right now and think Fall-From-Grace and Dak'kon are really well done.
But as you guys pointed out, Astarion and Lae'zel have great storylines. I also really enjoyed Shadowheart's. Wyll definitely got done bad with the cuts to his storyline. Karlach I was satisfied with but agree that it could have been much richer emotionally. I killed Minthara so I haven't experienced her story. I believe she was only recruitable if you were doing an "evil" playthrough at the time I was playing.
Gale definitely felt the most redundant given that I was also playing a wizard. I'm not sure if he suffers from a bad story overall or if he's just sort of a generic power/knowledge-hungry wizard with no real internal conflicts beyond that.

What are your favorite games as far as companion depth goes?

>>748900053
It's an unrealistic bar, honestly. I would love to see more CRPGs of this level of production values and effort, but who the hell will fund that? It took a literal RPG autist to be a CEO of his own company (and only after a few successful kickstarters made the build up to it possible) to get to here. It worked out extremely well here, but it isn't exactly safe to run a company like this.

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>>748904734
>Durge is just Durge, i didn't care for it but apparently the struggle of being good while being durge is good, i don't have an opinion for that
A "good" durge run is just a pseudo-Tav run, boring as hell.

>>748905184
I think we can confidently expect them to match or exceed it with the new Divinity. They are developing that with sky-high confidence and the biggest budget so far. They also don't seem to feel rushed at all since the company is privately owned. And we know the CEO is a true lover of RPGs.

>>748905391
The good Durge run honestly feels like the "canonical" playthrough. It most resembles the themes of resisting your heritage of the BG series, and has a very satisfying Withers scene/more explicit reveal.

>>748905562
Oh certainly, I expect it out of Larian because he's willing to risk it. More speaking of other devs in general.
My main concern with Divinity is that I hope it doesn't revert to the shitty itemization of the DOS games where it's kind of MMO-like in scaling. Which is a purely mechanical concern and nothing to do with what we're speaking of so...

>>748904212
Enjoy layoffs!

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>>748900053
>still no decent discount

>>748905737
nta but what does your post have to do with what you're replying to?

>>748905664
I think Rogue Trader is supposed to be really good. They're still releasing DLCs, too. But definitely not at the bar set by BG3 as far as high production values.

>>748905391
Durge is the original canonical playthrough. Resist Durge Vengeance Sorcadin is canon

>>748900053
>this thread again

>>748905853
Why meet bullshit gay shit halfway when I can just not buy your game?
And your game flopped. Still no sales released.
And every single WOTC employee that was working with Larian on bg3 has been laid off.

>>748905770
>Expecting discount from AAA goty title
Kek

>>748905947
Do you genuinely believe BG3 flopped? Or that every person who posts about one of the most popular releases of the 2020s on a video game forum is a Larian employee?

>>748905947
>flopped
Huh? It sold 20 million copies
Is this another /v/ schizo kinda thing?

>>748905947
that doesn't at all explain what your post had to do with what you're replying to anon
want to try ACTUALLY explaining what it had to do with it? dont' be retarded

>>748900698
Its literally not exaggerating, if you talk to any of the characters enough they WILL try to fuck you.

Is there a way to make a good necromancer/summoner build in this game? Should I pick Sorcerer or Wizard?

>>748900389
That's a great picture, very fitting. Whine whine whine, then plays another 100 hours.

>>748906219
They're "playersexual." You could make a female character and it'll be the same thing. Anyway, I think Larian said they toned down the horniness years ago.

>>748906123
There's some schizo around who claims that all the sales numbers are fake because china or something.

>>748900389
>I hate the game so much that I've played it for 221 hours as of 3.5 years ago
sick own anon!

>it's the same handful of schizos making the same complaints and the same arguments they have in every single thread for years
>it doesn't matter how many passerby anons argue with them or refute their argument, they will come into the next thread and repeat it as if the last thread never happened
how does one become this type of person?

>>748906236
there are plenty of minion summons yeah, the Necromancer sub class for Wizard gets subclass features that make your summoned skeletons better, and you summon an additional one. Sorc has shadow sorc which has the evil dog pet, but you only get the one so you might want to stick with wizard

>>748902589
It shouldn't exist in the first fucking place fag lord.

>>748906485
>games must cater to ME and ME alone because I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON
kill yourself

>>748906324
Huh. Weird.

>>748902986
Nice try, you niggers have nothing new in your play book. The same old, tired, finger pointing you did on the playground in grade school.

>>748900053
Woke trash tranny game for faggot trannies

>>748906434
And are the summons actually competitive offense wise or are they meatshields first and foremost like in the Pathfinder games?

>>748903694
Nice try, being evil explicitly fucks you from most of the exp and rewards in the game.

>>748900053
/v/ has generally liked BG3. Your mistake is acting like a couple of obsessive autists crying about it means "all of /v/". Jannies used to sticky threads making fun of the ones crying about it in the early days of the game.
This was the theme song for those stickied threads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQlByoPdG6c

>>748905376
Who cares, “lore” and mechanics in D&D are practically made to be altered at an individual player/DM’s whims anyway so do what you want
If you’re cool though you should wait till after you hit a certain level or story beat THEN give him the wings, roleplay that he “ascended further into dragonhood” or something.

>>748906389
Does it really surprise you to know that 4chan attracts the mentally ill and unintelligent? Think about what this place is. Most daily users have some pathology or the other. That's why they do nothing but shitpost and play games or watch anime or whatever other form of escapism exists.
And I'm not trying to be mean. Some neets I've encountered are nice and reasonable people. But the type who shitpost all day and try to make others miserable and spam garbage in an attempt to "win" arguments are clinical manchildren. You cannot productively engage with them. They are failures.

>>748906898
nta but you hit level cap pretty easily before end of game. it's pretty much designed to let you skip a lot and not have to 100%.

>>748906898
oh no not the xp in the game with a level cap that you hit at the beginning of the third act

>>748904212
Just leave 4chan you fag, why are you even here, its always been this way.

>>748907227
>it's always been shit so you should never try to improve it because that's BAD
Nah, sorry. We shame the bad variety of autists and have good discussions.

>>748900053
Yeah probably

>>748907336
>improve it = start accepting fag and tranny shit
Nah, sorry.

>>748907462
>start
anon, it's been here forever since the 2000's. fags used to post their dicks all over /b/.
there's a damn board for fags right here on 4chan.
keep in mind 4chan has always been counterculture, and in this sites start gay shit was all frowned upon in almost all cultures

>>748907462
But that's the best part. Most people already accept it, as per this anon's point: >>748906925

You're just an irrelevant holdout who doesn't know how to discuss things in good faith.

>>748906276
Toned it down? What the fuck was it like before?

>>748900513
>>748900383
kino soundtrack

>>748907574
It's a lot worse today than it used to be. 4chan is now literally a tranny hive. But I don't think that's due to counterculture so much as a lot of lonely and mentally ill people are drawn to 4chan because of the nature of its posting & community.
Didn't fags used to have a containment board? Now they're all over the place. 4chan might be the most LGBT place on the internet.

>>748907574
>YOU CAN'T POST /pol/ SHIT OUTSIDE /pol/
>we can post faggotry in other boards though because /lgbt/ exists, deal with it chuddy ;)
>>748907606
>straight up making up shit
the BG3 audience, ladies and gents, reddit leftists

>>748900053
Didn't love it personally, it was too woke for me and it made me lose immersion.

>>748906564
Not at all, but adding this stuff in your game for no legitimate reason other than virtue signaling, makes your game dog shit.

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>>748905770
>he did not buy the game during the early access

>>748907462
>>748907752
/v/ loves the game. 4chan loves the game. The board and website will be absolutely dominated with Divinity threads when it releases. Most people have the requisite cognitive faculties to understand that existence of gay and minority stuff != forced acceptance of gay and minority stuff.

>>748907796
Have you considered that this game is mainstream enough that normies like it and genuinely buy it for the faggot shit?

>>748907752
i didn't say that at all you illiterate melon

>>748906794
they're ok. depending on how long a fight goes they can do decent damage for the asking price of whatever spell slot they use to summon, but the faster the fights go the more value they lose.

>>748907336
Newfag, just kys and save society the trouble of dealing with you.

>>748904683
berserker with 3 thief lets you get an extra throw

>>748907750
Literally the first fags i met irl were big into /b/ back in '07. They talked an annoyingly lot about "The Game"

>>748907917
You're a rabbit baring its teeth. A little muck of mud scraping against my shoe. That is to say, your words have no effect because I know what you are and how low you exist.
Also, been on and off 4chan since 2011. Miss the titties on /b/.

>>748906898
>from most
not true even slightly, you can kill the tieflings and you only miss out on like, two vendors with good stuff and that's about it for shit that's even halfway decent. and the shar spear is the better legendary than the good guy spear you get from shart's questline.

>>748907876
Why do fags pretend to be straight just to get others to accept their poison?

>>748908049
See last paragraph here >>748900698

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>>748907925
>barbarian+rogue
The Conan build!

>>748907607
Halsin took you by force and the trauma of being raped by bear cock awoke memories of the Dark Urge inside of you.
I wish I was kidding.

>>748907925
oh I've never actually considered getting the second bonus action for enraged throw. something like 3 rogue 2fighter 7 serker probably goes dummy

>>748900053
>People who call it "woke" couldn't be further off the mark. You can kill pretty much anyone.
Has to be one of the most profoundly retarded arguments.

elden ring is the better rpg but bg3 is good

>>748908978
See if you can elaborate.

>>748900053
Played it for the first time recently. I didn't like it because of the style and aesthetics but yeah I thought objectively the game was pretty good

>>748906092
>>748906123
Do post an official sales report screenshot.

>>748900053
It didn't do anything special.
Just a lot of development time resulting in nice set pieces.

>>748900383
it's gross how you trannies try to shoehorn e33 into every bg3 thread

>>748905569
>>748905898
>Get nothing cool for resisting
>Reject Bhaal and you get the generic Tav ending
Oathbreaker-Hexblade is the canon durge class. Embracing Bhaal, but destroying the Netherbrain is the canon ending.

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>>748910401
It's a private company, so there is no official filing that we have access to if that's what you mean.

Here is a 2025 article from Bloomberg that directly cites Vincke for a 20 million sales: https://archive.is/eQa7c

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>>748905770
tf you talking about? all games are 0 dollars

>>748910687
>>Get nothing cool for resisting
you get coolest part of the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evs8wrZhZdw

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>>748905770
game is #20 top seller despite coming out 3 years ago with 0 DLC, why would they need to give discount? It keeps printing money

>>748900053
It has good combat.
Which is something that very few other CRPGs can match.

>>748904212
>will never meet anyone halfway.
Youre the one that claimed it was not woke. It is woke and YOURE the one that is having a crisis because you cant accept that a woke game is fun.
>>748900053
>People who call it "woke" couldn't be further off the mark.
this shit is just laughable, its basically the wokest game ever made and it kills the /v/ retards because they cant accept that. Back in my day homosexuality literally didnt even exist in gaming, I can name tens of thousands of games without minorities and LGBT and zoomers today cant imagine a world where such a thing was ever possible.

>>748915083
That's fine, but their existence is not woke. You're academically misunderstanding the definition of woke as defined in sociopolitical literature. You may give it a certain informal meaning, but that's immaterial.

>>748915083
I dislike bg3 for its wokeness, but you're right that it's ridiculous that some people pretend it's not woke so they can continue to pretend that woke is bad for earnings and popularity.

Like 90% of the characters are gay, and all cultures are multicultural without any explanation, it's as if the setting people are just born as a random race.

>>748916001
There's one totally gay character (Astarion). The rest are "playersexual" because it's a sandbox RPG. You do not need to make the game gay, even if gay paths are available to you.
I don't see how all cultures are multicultural when the Gith and Illithid are very clearly monolithic empires.
Different species/races coexisting is not the same thing as all cultures being multicultural. Outside of uncontacted tribes, I'm not sure there's a place out there that doesn't have travelers from different walks of life. And most cities are certainly multicultural even if cultures are distinct and even if there is a prevailing culture.

>>748915994
>but their existence is not woke
yes it literally is, you need to realize that youve been brainwashed by the society you were born into. In the media that existed before you were born homosexuality was not allowed, you couldnt let people even say homosexuality was ok.
>>748916231
>The rest are "playersexual" because it's a sandbox RPG.
this is objectively wrong, shadowheart lusts after other female characters and im sure karlach does too but I do not even talk to her so I dont get the reddit rubbed off onto me. And even ignoring that, playersexual is gay. There are no normal friendships in this game because all the characters hit on you so they can only be gay, there is no pretending they are straight.

>>748916483
Brother, people have been committing homosexual acts since civilization started. Ancient Greeks literally groomed boys under the guise of developing stronger platonic bonds. I say this with no judgment, but it's a fact.
Just because something was once verboten does not mean it did not exist. Acknowledging that something exists is not "woke" as the word is used in academic fields. "Woke" ideology is a particular type of lionization of minorities, and a commitment to fix perceived inequities. It has to do with progressive criticism of harm caused by institutional, societal, and cultural impediments for which justice in the form of equitable results must be carried out.
You are uneducated on the matter. I'm telling you this as someone who thinks "woke" culture is silly.

I have no idea if Shadowheart lusts after other females because that wasn't the experience in my playthrough. I did not choose options that would encourage Astarion and Gale and so on to hit on me. I believe Wyll tried to court me with his dancing skills, but I told him he was barking up the wrong tree and it never happened again.

Similarly, I've had gay dudes hit on me in real life. I let them know that I'm not the one and they accept it and move on. People are mostly cool.

I vividly remember my playthrough being full of friendships except for Shadowheart, who I romanced. It sounds to me like you're literally picking gay options and then whining about getting gay responses. And it's not some hidden trap, either, and you're never not able to say no. It's a truly unpersuasive argument.

>>748916894
>I vividly remember my playthrough being full of friendships except for Shadowheart
You cannot avoid the male NPCs coming onto you if you try to be their friend. Its literally a scripted event where the male NPCs will hit on you and you have to turn them down. Enjoy you game man, the LGBT community adores it for its diverse representation and it tackling important issues like immigration. Keep your head in the sand and pretend its actually a chud game for big boys.

>>748916231
Several companions make gay comments to you without you asking for it. And a shit ton of NPC's are gay.

Humans, elves, dwarves etc. are completely random if they're black, white, brown, yellow, as if they just pop out as a random race when born, it's not like black humans come from a different place than white humans. That's what I mean by multicultural.

BG3 desperately needs a roguelike module, the one that’s out there sucks balls

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>>748900053
It is not.
Baldurans Gay 3 is a bad game and a terrible BG.
I've been playing CRPG since fallout 1 and BG3 is genuinely as bad as DAV actually.
You can't compare it with proper CRPGs like Underrail, TaoD, RT, Arcanum, WOTR, BG1-2, Fallout 1-2, Colony ship, because this game is woke as fuck, linear as fuck, has a terrible millennial writing with shot ton of modernisms, has boring plot and quirky chungus characters

It is a bad game that actively harms the genre and completely annihilates the once beloved series
Fuck Ben Swine

>>748900053
Overrated game. And Jrpg > Crpg.

>>748917151
You're making a claim that does not appear to be universally true. If you want to be taken seriously, then give it evidentiary support. All I can say is I confidently remember avoiding almost all the gay interactions I see a certain subset of /v/ constantly complain about.
The "immigration" issue with tieflings is similarly unnecessarily politicized. Tieflings have always existed in RPGs. You see a bunch in Planescape: Torment, which is from like 30 years ago; one of them is a main party member. Furthermore, I don't see what's "woke" about immigration. Border control does not mean closed borders, even in Orthodox-Christian Slavic nations. Refugee crises have been a diplomatic and political issue with various relief-based resolutions for many recorded centuries.
>>748917159
Maybe. I honestly can't say I remember if a sassy comment was thrown out now and then. I think Astarion refers to Tav as "darling," but that's just how gays talk. I've heard that in real life. It doesn't mean they're about to propose their butthole to me.
I genuinely don't recall whether all humanoids have equally distributed skin colors in all sections of the game, though it is a high fantasy setting and—again—even games as old as Planescape have skin tone variations (not to mention strong female characters).
Really, the fundamental issue here is the corruption of what "woke" means by a small (and irrelevant) population of hateful people.

>>748917698
I'm not hateful though. I just dislike wokeness it ruins immersion for ideological reasons.

>>748917524
>linear as fuck
7/10 bait has to be believable

>>748917524
I look forward to playing Arcanum, WOTR, and BG1-2 someday. Certainly heard strong praise. It'll be interesting to compare the old BGs with BG3 in particular.
>>748917786
Would you like to recommend some excellent non-woke RPGs? I'm always looking to add to my to-play list. I'm considering Tyranny or Age of Decadence next.

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>>748917874
I've played the game multiple times. If you did your goody two-shoes playthrough then you've already seen 99% of what games has to offer.
This game doesn’t work on the principle of choosing between option A and option B. Instead, you choose whether to see both A and B simultaneously, or just A. In other words, there is a linear narrative, and you can unlock extra pieces of it by making wrong decisions. There are no alternative paths.

>>748900053
20 million cunts, niggers, faggots and trannies can love the shit out of this game, but it is a mediocre rpg with woke writing that is using the name of an already completed video game story to boost itself

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>>748900053
>It doesn't have the best main story,
It certainly doesnt
it also doesnt have the best subplots
or character arcs
or dialogue writing
or any good writing for that matter

>but the handcrafted world
Ultima 7 and Morrowind called.
What is this? 2001?

>litany of unique NPCs
None of which are memorable with the exception of maybe the main cast (which you want to forget cause they are all extremely gay)

> combat mechanics,
i mean it's D&D5
It's probably the best part about the game

>companion depth
anal depth maybe
that certainly matters in BG3

>are near-indisputably the high points of the genre
far from it


BG3 is a solid D&D5 combat simulator with social skill rolls, but beyond that it's extremely overhyped
probably because it was made for women and homosexuals

And yes, this IS a problem in this game. BG3 is extremely gay and if you are a normally developed person you dont wanna go on an adventure with any of these characters.

>>748918148
What do you consider the gold standard for RPGs (particularly CRPGs)?

>>748917934
I like dragon age origins and mass effect 1 a lot. Expedition 33 was amazing as well.

Besides a couple CRPGs like Kotor and NWN no dialogue in any game compares to the Baldur's Gate series. You play some shitty crpg like Pillars of Eternity or Pathfinder and it's like some homeless drunk Australian wrote it.

>Is /v/ finally ready to admit that BG3 has set the bar for CRPGs moving forward?
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>>748918301
The ME trilogy is probably my favorite gaming experience. Absolute kino. I'm hoping that Exodus and Expanse will deliver and encourage the production of more ambitious sci-fi operas. I wonder if ME4 is still happening.
I tried playing DAO a little while ago but the fucked up resolution and aspect ratio made it almost impossible to play. I'll have to figure out a fix and try again sometime.

>>748900435
Iron lung is woke trash

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Why did he ruin her?

>>748918512
Yeah DA:O has a lot of issues and also gameplay bugs, that's a game they should remaster and fix the broken stuff in, surprised they haven't done it.

Mass Effect kinda lost me as it went on, I still had a decent time with the second game but the third one I never got into. I might give the entire series another shot eventually, the tone shifts a lot in the second game.

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This is what Larian did

>>748918760
There is a tone shift and the new storyline is not entirely earned IMO, but I was just so deeply bought in on the universe. Unfortunately, it seems that the crunch culture led to them taking a lot of shortcuts. Frankly, I think it should have been a 4- or 5-part game where they took their time connecting all the dots. But even still, I absolutely love the world that was created. I find it really inspirational.
Hopefully you find satisfaction in your replay.

>>748918954
If you give DA:O another try there are some good mods on nexus that fixes some of the issues.

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>>748918227
Depends on the subfeature

As far as writing goes it's probably VtMB or Morrowind
For interactivity, probably Ultima 7 and way behind it Gothic 2. BG3 isn't too bad here, cause it builds on Divinity (which is inspired by exactly that part of Ultima 7), but as I said, it's far from a highpoint in the genre.
Combat depends on what you want. As far as turnbased encounter design goes BG3 is probably tied with Knights of the Chalice there. As i said, here it isn't too bad.
And for companions it's probably Planescape.


All in all it's probably VtMB. It has shit combat but the rest is so good that it outweighs that weakness.
BG3 is exactly the opposite. It has good combat but the writing is so shit it really drags it down.

>>748919181
oh yeah arx fatalis is also pretty cool when it comes to interactivity

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>zigger found the thread
Cool, now this thread has two obsessed schizos.

>>748919110
Thanks, anon. I'm sure I will. It's always cited as one of the best in the genre.
>>748919181
>>748919249
I'm playing through Planescape right now and certainly enjoying the story very much. I particularly like how Morte's and Dak'kon's stories are developing, and I'm very intrigued by Fall-From-Grace. Hopefully Anna's and Nordom's story deepen as well. I will say, however, that I equally enjoyed Shadowheart's story, and Lae'zel's is probably only a hair below Dak'kon's for me. I also really enjoyed Astarion's and think Wyll had awesome but squandered potential.

I played a little bit of VtMB years back. I think I had just gotten to the second part of the main city (there's a night club). I should pick it up and try again. It definitely seemed really cool and had an excellent atmosphere.

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This is what people call a good writing LMAO

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Uh, bois, can you explain that?

>>748919785
because it's an unreachable standard for everyone that's not larian

>>748919785
rollslop require 0 thoughts
building a game like BG3 is really fucking hard and you can't just copy 5E(LOL lmao literally worst part of BG3 that Larian had to fucking fix because how shit it is)

>>748918732
>shopped pic

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>>748920238
Solasta is 5e and it is miles better game than BG3.
Also BG3 missing like half of 5e mechanics like dodge\ready, fly, cover mechanic, targeted explosion etc

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>>748917524
>>748918035
>>748918732
>>748918837
>>748919665
>>748919785

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>>748920451
>Solasta is 5e and it is miles better game than BG3.
The stuff some retards will conjure up to appear as hecking "unique opinion-havers" is insane.

>>748920451
5e sucks anyway, whatever Larian did improved it so substantially that most trpg players even took some ideas from them

>>748900053
CRPGS are inferior to JRPGs and as a result of that I never really want to hear about them.

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>>748920893
what makes JRPGs systematically better?

>>748920451
I've played Solasta and it's budget BG3

>>748920706
>>748920956
this looks hilarious. did Karlach beg to deepthroat you?

>>748916001
That's Forgotten Realms. Larian didn't creat that universe.

Everyone in Divinity is White.

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>>748921006
It has better combat, better mechanics and better encounters.

Only VFX, models and the amount of voice acting\mocap is worse which are THE LEAST relevant parts of any CRPG

Yeah, Bg3 has a 10\10 warlock EB in comparison with solasta's EB, but who cares if the combat is just better in solasta and encounters are more engaging because of better mechanics?

>>748921147
imagine basing your tastes around what grifters on x think

>>748921193
It's a zigger NEET living off his mom's pension, what do you expect.

>>748921147
The only better mechanics in Solasta are resting/travel and the cover system, BG3 has a better implementation of spells and environmental interactions.
Also we may not care about le graphics, sure, but Solasta looks offensively bad, like the character models completely takes you out of the experience, it's not even about tech, I don't think I ever played an uglier game, aesthetics matter.

>>748900053
They are not really comparable technology wise because other CRPGS are just visual novels with no interactive environment or physics engine. On the up side they usually have better story and characters.

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>>748921193
He's an actual mentally ill person - known as barrelschizo on the russian 2ch imageboard - with a massive hateboner for Larian.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/%22balls%20hurt%20gay%22
Just read through some of his posts, a bunch of them are of "ITS DA WOKE" variety. But then he starts glazing Solasta, which, one'd think, by his own standards would also be considered "DA WOKE". He will foregoe his "principles" (if you can call them that) just to shit on anything Larian.
If you doubt me here's a link to one of his 2ch posts with the same image he just posted ITT >>748919785 -> https://2ch.life/vg/res/51367618.html#51370152

Also, until very recently his English was a horrendous, barely coherent mess full of russian neologisms translated directly into English, but now it appears mostly fine. I assume he started feeding his shitposts to an LLM for proofreading.

>>748922053
He пocтил нa мeнтaчe yж кaк пapy-тpoйкy лeт. Этo peaльнo бoчкoшиз дo cих пop c гopящeй жoпoй бeгaeт?

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>>748921950
>they usually have better story and characters
This is not always true either.

>>748922575
Дa. Oн тeпepь чacтeнькo pyZZкoгo пoцpeoтa oтыгpывaeт здecь нa 4чaнe.

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>>748920679
are we witnessing an inter-chan blood feud?

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>>748923370
No, it's more about 98% based and trad bois against the 2% who were squeezed out like a piece of shit from their native info space because of their insane soi views.
It's pretty much like when the bsky guys start seething because of xitter or 4chan.

>>748923632
x just steals from here and regurgitates shit pol says to get engagement from normalfags and edgy underages, you are a newfag if you like x

>>748923370
What blood feud? Barrelschizo is laughing stock both here and on russian 2ch, universally. Not the first time he's been pointed out either, not as if it's hard to spot him given he uses the same images and rhetoric ("ITS DA WOKE", "RUZZIA BASED", etc.) every single time he decides to hit post.

>>748923803
yeah well can you really be surprised that incorrigible weirdos use the chans
anyway, for me, it's Count Tolstoy

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>>748900332
They hated him for speaking the truth.

>>748900053
It is very good, incredible with how deep it is and to what degree it respects player freedom, but the sex stuff is weird and very uncomfortable. Every character in your party wants to bone you and it makes it feel like a weird hippie free for all, it really drives home that no matter how well made the game is, in the end it is just another manchild wish fulfillment fantasy simulator. Unironically it finally made me empathise with those feminists from years ago who were getting mad about video games "appealing to the male fantasy", BG3 made me viscerally cringe in such a way that I finally get what they meant.

Probably lots of anons will want to crucify me for saying that but I'm sure some of you get what I mean

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I'm over 1k hours in already and haven't even nearly tried all the stuff I want to try yet. Doing a Tactician run now in preparation for an Honor mode run.

Perfect game for me. Turn based, no pressure. Love it.

>>748904824
Its the best power fantasy rpg ever made, and its not even close, every time mythic power theme is being played you know someones ass is about to be obliterated. If you're going in blind id honestly recommended morts begginers guide, because its not a begginer friendly game. Also, toy box and bubble buff are mandatory

>>748900053
It's the only RPG I've played more than three times. I stop playing most games after I finish them and never come back.

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>>748925082
> and bubble buff
You did not beat the game

>>748900053
Yeah I've been saying this since 2 years.
This post is saved into a notepad for me because every few days someone asks the same question.


Greatest RPG of the past decade, easily.

Top tier gameplay; amazing combat, rich interactivity, great rpg mechanics, superb encounter design, tons of freedom

Great world design: Level design with good depth, a lot of unique areas, exploration is fun and rewarding, nothing is filler all is killer, immersive sim and sandbox elements well integrated into a crpg, amazing level of verticality and layout.

Good writing; engaging dialogue that keeps you entertained with its neat options, great characters, fun main story to keep things going, amazing side quests, memorable characters.

Great art style and visuals; varied environments, beautiful landscapes, beautiful character design that is diverse and detailed.

Great presentation; cinematics that are top tier in its genre, everything is voiced and the performance/acting is amazing.

Great music

Great replay value

All acts are great for different reasons, a long game that doesnt lose its steam and recycle its content, justifies its length.

>>748917934
>Certainly heard strong praise
Yeah dont expect much, i got baited 2 years ago into a lot of those Crpgs and most of them were utter garbage.

They always shared common failures.
1) They are always janky trash that barely work, full of bugs and need tons of patches and mods to fix their flaws. (but sure they are 10/10 masterpieces lmfao)
2)They always have bad combat; the retard fans claim that its the story that matters, yet at least 80% of them have forgettable and mediocre stories without memorable characters or any actual good theme exploration, they make Jrpgs stories look like Shakspear
3)They are all very ugly, they look ugly and sound ugly, almost none of them have good soundtrack, unlike their Jrpg counterparts, their character and world design is hideous as well. It appears Crpg devs cant into art direction
4)Most of the choices dont even matter, they always give you a wall of text and then 10 choices but they are actually 3 or 2 at best.
5)Their level design is shallow and laughable, compared to any good immersivesim or good fps, the level/world design is really bad, its like the dev took an RTS map and thrown it into the game.
6)No good boss fights, going back to combat/gameplay the bosses in these games are shit, and enemies are all generic and boring, a pack of wolves, some soldiers/warriors, or some kind of bug.
7)Shiton of quests that dont matter to the story and only 10% of them are worth the time.
8)Most of them end at their build selection, beyond making a build put together there's nothing for you to play or explore.

Crpg fans love to make fun of normie Rpgs like Skyrim, New Vegas and Witcher 3 but those are miles ahead of 95% of Crpgs, at least they have some merit. I played those Crpgs and i was shocked how bad they are, yet the way their fans talk about them you would assume they are 10/10 masterpieces of Roleplaying.
I got into the genre thanks to Divinity OS2, and then i loved bg3, i looked for more Crpgs (played 18 so far)

>>748900053
It was high-white, yes.

>>748919181
>As far as writing goes it's probably VtMB or Morrowind

Whats so good about VTMB & Morrowind writing?
You sound like a Larping faggot.

Fuck you and your kind.

>>748900383
>It's hard to find fault in the game.
I love the game but the story is objectively retarded. The overarching narrative is the worst part of the game by a significant margin. Unlike a lot of people, I actually really liked Act 3, but again it is objectively unfinished with questlines that just don't go anywhere, a lot of clearly rushed content, and one obviously cut zone that is directly referred to in dialogue and was supposed to be accessible. I really hope that someday in the future they return to BG3 and make a definitive edition but I don't think that is possible due to licensing issues.

>>748900383
BG2 and DOS2 are better, BG3 is made for foids and gamer dads that have never touched a CRPG before

>>748928027
at least we're going to get god-tier kino with the new Divinity. this will be Larian at the height of its powers

>>748928078
lol no.
Almost all the BG2 fans i know irl are gamer dads, nobody who is young likes this dogshit game.

>>748900053
The only thing I'll say for sure is that BG3's main story does not hold a candle to Planescape's. Other than that, I think you can make a reasonable argument for it being best in class in all other areas.

>>748928078
BG2 is genuine slop I don't know how anyone can think it is better than BG3, way less RPG companions barely do anything bog-standard story and it is absolutely hideous aesthetically. The worst part about it is how boring it is you're just walking around aimlessly in huge maps and when you're in narrow-er areas the characters are CONSTANTLY getting stuck on each other or retarded pathing going across the map. this opinion that BG2 is better than BG3 is genuine proof that this board are full of contrarians

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>>748928310
when I played BG1 I thought it was so awful until I did the other campaign and all of a sudden the art style got a lot better, the companions got a lot better, and the story got a lot more interesting. and then I later learned that was DLC added to the game like a decade+ after release and predictably the retards on this board thought it was garbage even though it is absolutely the only almost-good content in the entire game

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>>748928747
whoa... that world building is simply... ebin

>>748901464
I'm confident it will be frontloaded like BG3 and DOS2.

>>748902408
You truly felt no love for any of these brave, loyal, and lovely creatures who followed you to the ends of life itself?

>>748901464
100%

>>748900389
seething trannies didn't like this post

>>748900053
>handcrafted world
>litany of unique NPCs
That's literally what every god damn CRPG that came before and after BG3 had. Fucking retard.
>combat mechanics
D&D5ed isn't great, and turn based is always very sluggish and slow - especially when you implement the element of hit-chance - it is also not helped that there are no ways in which to speed up combat either.
>companion depth
Bitching and moaning and insisting upon themselves is fucking obnoxious. There's a reason Icewind Dale was popular, and it ain't because of the infinity engine; it's because you create your own full party in a 3D D&D game.
>motion capture
Goofy and overelaborate and very slow cinematics with voice acting on top makes things move very slow. The old fashioned dialogue box with a "next" is infinitely superior.
>music is often fantastic
The music is an actual disgrace considering its heritage, the only good parts are the ones distinctly inspired by or lending heavily from Michael Hoenig's BG1-2 suites. Whoever got hired for this was an imbecile.
Kirill Pokrovsky used to be the Larian go-to composer, but he died I think between Origin Sin 1 and 2, and while his music often had a peculiar goofiness to it (very Larianesque) he would have done something far better.
>wokebaiting
Fuck you nigger.

The game ain't all that. It's functional and it works. It's complex, bravo, but it is not helped by being complex and very convoluted in its controls/UI (chaining system especially)
6/10 - wouldn't play a third time, but worth playing a second time through.

>>748932086
*complicated and very convoluted

>>748932086
>Michael Hoenig's BG1-2 suites.
the BGM in those games are basically nonexistent, the combat music is awful

>>748932086
nobody cares mad chud

>>748918148
>It's probably the best part about the game
kys

>>748932756
People like you, who know nothing about music are easily wowed and swayed by gimmicks of production. The compositions of bg3 are very bad and bland. For a game of its budget, that is unacceptable.
>>748932786
You cared enough to give me my (you)

>>748933304
telling someone their opinion is meaningless isn't the same as caring. you can try to pretzel logic your way into coping but the truth is no one will remember you sperging out 300 replies deep into the thread and nobody cares about your special gamer taste

>>748933404
You will

>>748933304
I actually remember the soundtrack of BG3 even though I haven't played it for years, I am literally playing BG2 right now and I could not tell you even 1 track it just loops the same awful combat music for 50 hours now

>>748933717
Well you're not white, so it's no wonder that girl-music run through a medieval-core filter makes your tits squirt

>>748913960
Bhaal ending is cooler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj5ZYutAJ9M

>if you don't like what I like, you're not white and you have no taste
>even though I'm a self-hating neet whose taste has 0 effect on what becomes popular and historically celebrated
get a load of this vitriolic ESL dork

>>748900053
Yes. Because CRPGs have always been garbage.

>>748900053
>some crpg about raping bears won game of the year
still crazy to me how dead the AAA industry is

I liked it in spite of the faggot shit

>>748934023
this was well done but I'd never be able to play this way. just watching it made me a little queasy. I know it's just pixels but I can't bring myself to commit these types of actions

>>748933876
I am literally a white boy, do we not want good memorable soundtrack? It isn't just epic music it has less bombastic music at appropriate moments like when you're killing goblins it has a nice drum beat like goblins banging their war drums, and then more epic music at appropriate moments like killing a chosen. You'd have to be a really massive miserable faggot to not appreciate Raphael's motif.

And let's take it a step further: BG3 is superior to BG1/2 in every conceivable way. What exactly does BG2 do better than BG3? These older type games usually at least have a more engaging plotline, but can you really say that for BG2. The only semi-interesting plot beat I've seen so far after 43.2 hours is choosing between the vampires and the thieves but saying that was interesting is being very generous

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>>748928278
Planescape and Disco Elysium are in a league of their own when it come to writing (and Disco is barley a game); they transcend the medium
Comparing vidya to them is just unfair

>>748913960
this was awesome. I didn't play Dark Urge so I never saw this

>>748934350
I love it. The Bhaal ending allows me to play a somewhat "good" durge that doesn't resist.

>>748913960
Geralt is Bhaal?

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>>748900383
I think it shows how the only thing holding back the CRPG genre is presentation. I love BG3, it's easily my most-played game of the past decade, but it doesn't do anything really amazing or new in its gameplay. And its writing is good, but again, not anything amazing or unprecedented. It's the combination of being a fun CRPG with a solid story and good characters and also having a really polished, cinematic presentation where every non-PC character has voiced dialogue and there are tons of rendered cutscenes for every possible decision.

>>748939438
Veilguard was a shitty game, so people zeroed in on the weird culture war shit. Baldur's Gate 3 was a great game, so people are willing to overlook the weird culture war shit. If BG3 was as bad as Veilguard, people would be mocking the transgender character from Shadowheart's questline the same way we mock the transgender character from Veilguard.