I like playing old games on consoles on a TV over emulating them.
you probably don't even actually do that
>>748907427for 2D and early 3D yeah, a CRT is essential or it just don't look right.
>>748907427>photo of the title or just the beginning of the gameno you don't
>>748908191Stop noticing things.
what is this garbage
>>748907427Me too.
>>748908523An LCD tv larping as a CRT which misses the entire point.
>>748907427Fair.Unfortunately not everyone as the possibilities to do that with current retro prices and availability. CRTs also get more rare.>>748908523Just get a 4k monitor and use one of those custom crt shaders which reproduce those CRT masks and grills.
>>748908523new product for larping zoomers, pretty smart to exploit that audience because they don't even know they're getting fleeced
>>7489081254K CRT filters on an OLED are more than good enough - Boomer
>>748908891>Just get a 4k monitor and use one of those custom crt shaders which reproduce those CRT masks and grills.Never understood the point of those shaders. They're not the reason people use tube televisions with old consoles, similarily that nobody used to care what kinda noise their keyboard used to make before redditors started calling buying things a hobby.
>>748908891Yeah thats the one thing that sucks, wanted to get a Dreamcast but those are quite expensive.
>tft
>>748909425they're like $100-$200 on average thats not expensive
>>748909134It's basically just because the games were made with the CRT mask in mind. When you look at PIxel art with these highly custom shaders (not just scanlines) and raw pixels the difference is apparent. At least that's why I use them.Other than the default retroarch shaders, these custom ones for example are also popular:https://forums.libretro.com/t/cyberlab-death-to-pixels-shader-preset-packs/35606Usually those are made with 4K monitors in mind and ideally with hdr and oled. It's probably the next best thing after an actual CRT.
>>748907427Well I do too, in theory; however I want ergonomic controllers, machines that work well and the ability to put the machine I'm playing on in some sort of sleep mode.I'm not usually a whore for convenience, but when it comes to playing old video games being able to put literally ALL of the pre-PS3 console games I want on my Steam Deck, have them portable, easily available, running at 60 fps, with the ability to hook it to my TV and my 8bitdo controller to the docked Steam Deck... it's just too good to pass up.And if you can't get/don't want to pay for a Steam Deck, there are several other cheaper options as well now.I have full respect for you purists, though.
>>748909134Old games being designed with the technology of CRT in mind isn't a myth. Granted, it's not as big of a deal as in picrel in every game, but still.
>>748907427i miss when video cards has svideo out. My second monitor was a CRT. was kino for watching shitty anime encodes from the 2000s. I tried to buy all sorts of converter cables, but nothing worked. Something about buying a 'downscaler' and those were like a couple hundred bucks. Noped
>>748911075Doesn't you posting that image disbunk your own point? I can see the CRT image on my OLED screen.
>>748911261nta but a real crt wouldnt have that screen door effect making it 50% darker. It would be as clear as the left but with the details of the right
>>748911261I'm replying to a post asking about the shaders here. Which attempt to replicate the effect of CRT screens, making it look the same (at least as close as possible) as CRTs.I could have been clearer about that, indeed.
>>748911429nta would hdr and oled or mini led help with that problem?
>>748908523Based. We need PC monitors like that. Just with bigger size>But it's not real CRTGreat. CRTs sucked ass but the aesthetic was cool.
>>748911637At least put a small fridge in the back at that point. So the empty space is used.
>>748907994the only person i know that actually does this is one of my childhood friendshe is a casual dadgamer at best, but he has a nice setup in his basement with a big ass crt. just likes getting hammered and playing old games.
>>748907427>>748908523>5" LCD TFT Screenwhat is the point then
>got a CRT this week>plug back my old Gamecube and PS1>try F-zero GX>it looks bland>hard to see when there is any light in the room>download Dolphin and F-zero rom on PC>it looks 10 times betterGranted I don't have the super RGB cable ($50 btw), but still.
>>748908523Trash, if it cant work with the Zapper than it fails the retro test
Hard agreePicrel is from a playthrough of Metroid Prime on Gamecube I did a couple years ago, looks so good on a CRT. I think this Winter I'm gonna hook up my Super Famicom and play through Shin Megami Tensei and replay some Mega Man games or something.
>>748916871Oh yeah I'm a zoomer btw lolgot the CRT at a random guy's yard sale for $5 a few years ago
>>748915864Component or bust
>>748907427You can emulate using a CRT monitor and an original controller with an adapter and get an identical experience to playing on original hardware.
>>748919007Composite is fine for anything pre-PS2 era
>went to 5 thrift shops>looked on ebay and marketplace>drove around slowly looking at hard rubbish>didnt find a single crtis it over bros? have I missed the boat
>>748908891>>748909114While shaders are much better than just raw pixels, they lack both the brightness and motion clarity. Even on 4k oled while using black frame insertion, it might be fluid you lose alot on brightness and overall it still just doesn't feel nearly as good. It's an ok substitute. Best of all worlds is mister to a crt
>>748919245Try your local electronics recycling center. Most places have to pay to have them disposed of due to the gases contained within the tubes. I got 17 CRTs for free that way (mostly security monitors, however, I did obtain a Sony KV-13FS110, a Sony KV-32FS120, a eMachines 17f3 and an iMac G3). I got fairly lucky as many places refuse to give them away for whatever reason.
>>748919560I've ran into them not letting you take things every time, they can be real dicks about it too.
>>748920149Damn, that sucks. They were probably dicks because they don't pay their workers shit, regardless, good luck in finding a good CRT. I'd give you one of mine if I could.
>>748919173ill say s-video for n64 or scart/svideo for ps1 is a must.
>>748909134
>>748920474Yeah, S-Video on PS1/N64 looks sharper, it's not really required if you have a large, high-quality TV, like 27 inches+. I don't even notice dot crawl on my 32" TV.
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>>748923163kino
>>748919509Or 4K Mini LED + HDR would also be nice and offer a solution to the lower brightness, no?
>>748907427I like emulating on a TV>>748908891>Just get a 4k monitor and use one of those custom crt shaders which reproduce those CRT masks and grills.1) they don't look anywhere near as good2) they have motion blur which is a complete deal breaker3) BFI doesn't fix motion blur, it only reduces it (slightly) and it causes a fuckton of other issues
>>748927836Yes all correct but it's the next best thing. You can't rely on outdated tech that's not produced anymore, and can't find replacement when something is wrong.
>>748911637>CRTs sucked ass but the aesthetic was coolRetards that have nostalgia for the aesthetic but have zero grasp on why you would want a CRT due to its technical advantages have a woman brain. All aesthetic, zero engineer. You should be playing Dress Simulator and not posting here.
>>748916871Jesus Christ get some S-Video cables or something.
I like CRTs. Buy local, I probably paid $100 total for every TV seen here.They're great for old video games and TV shows.
I think the crt meme is overblown and the game looks just as good on an emulator with a very light tv mode filter
>>748930590I don't doubt you. Most people thought early LCDs looked just as good as their CRTs when they got them. They were wrong, obviously, but most people can't tell.
>>748929194Blurring the image to shit with composite is part of the appeal.
>>748931984>the Ice Beam logo had a hand on it?
>>748907427Emulating has nothing to do with the display device.
>>748908523Beautiful monitor, whoever designed it actually understands the aesthetic and isnt just larping. However>5"No. And its probably overpriced as fuck too.
>>748930491I want a smaller CRT.
>>7489321855 inches is fine, but not being a tube defeats the whole purpose. Obviously making new tubes is too hard to do, but just makes the product kind of a nothing burger.
>>74893227414" CRTs are common.
>>748932274How small? Anything under 13 inches you're going to pay out the ass for, because no mom and pop bought those. So good luck finding one locally.
Why don’t they just make new crts?
>want to play old wii games >either spend $80 on a console, $10 for a hdmi converter, $60 controller, $5-100 for gamesor>download emulator >spend $10 on a wireless sensor bar, $60 controller >get every game for freeThere is a reason why people don’t play on old consoles because it’s not worth the money
>>748932636Takes entire factories of professionals to produce and the market is too niche. CRTs also last decades. So once all the hobbyists buy them up you're effectively out of business.
>>748932721>$ on Wii gamesYou buy an SD Card or an HDD and download games on it.Wiis are cheap too (only expensive thing is an original wiimote and a classic controller).
How come movie and animation people never sperg out about crts?
>>748933351Well most old movies were made for the big screen, they weren't even made for VHS. That was just an after thought to get more sales.Cartoons I don't know enough about to comment on, but people do get persnickety about old anime on CRTs.
>>748908523Ultimate larp machine. An LCD with all the downsides of a CRT.
Show me 3 examples of graphics being specifically designed for scan lines without showing me castlevania
I was trying to play lttp on my crt earlier but the poor thing is shitting out, the video connection drops constantly even though everything seems to be plugged in fine. Not sure what to do.
>>748934837This is like saying "Show me one example of an ocean full of water." they're ALL designed for scanlines, you can tell by the fact that they all look like complete shit without at least a filter.
I have a 4k OLED monitorwhat am I supposed to be using to replicate CRTs properly?
>>748934961They have unfiltered scanline-free sprites on the box art of a ton of nes games, seems like the sprites were intended to be seen without any tv scanline magic
>>748907427I emulate old games on a TV instead.
>>748935260>sprites were intended to be seen in a way that was impossible for the average consumer because everyone hard CRTsjust stop. being brown isn't even excuse, filters exist.
>>748909425Anyone else remember when ThinkGeek found a warehouse full of them and was selling them for like $50?
>>748935338>sprites were made specifically for people with higher end TVs with no consideration for people with cheaper tvsMost CRTs don’t have noticeable scan lines
>>748935453They still did NOT show raw pixels.
>>748908523This is like buying a vinyl record player that works by playing mp3s
>>748935678people do that
>>748935513The original post specifically said scan lines thoughbeit
>>748908523what the fuck
Oled mogs
>>748908191That's every steam deck picture.
>>748936878DIOS MIO
>>748907427imo a vga CRT monitor is the best of both worlds. You get the benefits of emulation with the properties of a CRT. Plus you can play old school pc games and newer titles with that lovely motion clarity. It needs a lot of tinkering though but thats a part of this hobby and i choose to embrace it lol
>>748907427I like emulating old games on my CRT TV with a raspi over dusting off the consoles.Picture quality is better due the more modern DAC, don't need to pay a fortune to scalpers, don't need to deal with shoddy flashcards, dead controllers, shit old PSUs, recaps...A nice modernish 2000's TV, a raspi and perfection.
>>748927836bfi is cope, but this is probably good:https://github.com/blurbusters/crt-beam-simulator
>>748936878I have to agree from that picture. And I see you have used the widescreen mode on a 4:3 mode, which makes everything taller, as it's supposed to be and was on a 4:3.I have to disagree due to burn in.
>>748936878You can get similar to that using 12 bit color mode on a xbox1 or better. Ah I just realised my own custom colur profile is probably pulling off the better image, not just your LED.
>>748928309ofc they aren't as reliable as they used to be but it says something when these TV's and monitors have lasted this long. Most of the time you can live with a few issues or try and do some simple fixes yourself. Doing repairs should also be something you're ready for to some degree if you're into old tech/consoles in general
>>748937148megaman if he depressionman
>>748911075You don't even play games with your face an inch from the screen. Look at the thumbnail and they look practically the same except left looks like it has a longer face.
>>748930590It's disappointing to see the lack of basic knowledge on this thread. filters and shaders can only get you so far. The real benefit of CRT's lies in their fundamentally different approach to drawing the picture, a method that has 0 motion blur. Honestly LCD's look like low quality garbage when it comes to gaming, especially retro gaming, when put next to a CRT. One pan of the camera and it all comes crashing down for any flat panel display.
>>748938168You play with your monitor 10 meters away from you? Because that's the only way you're going to see Dracula's face that small while playing Castlevania.
>>748907427you can do both, you knowyou can hook a computer up to a crt and emulate them
>>748938334You're right, Dracula's face takes up a third of the screen. But I'd rather look at sharp pixels than a blurry mess, distortion from a curved screen, and reflection off glass.
>>748934837What an ignorant statement. Scanlines aren't the only "effects" a CRT produces. The games were designed with the softness of the low resolution screens in mind and every game designed for that era uses blending techniques to make the final picture. The plethora of side scrollers also greatly benefited from the motion clarity of a CRT. No one would be crazy enough to put so much effort into making crt shaders if they weren't important to the game's experience
>>748938441A CRT TV is much harder to pull this off with though. A cheap composite converter won't give you the best image and anything worth buying after that is far outside of what most people would consider reasonable. A CRT monitor does make this much more straightforward but it comes with its own limitations like needing bfi to reach 240p60hz (which still looks great btw, it's just extra steps)
>>748938687This obsession with sharpness is so stupid. By your logic, all art you see should be stripped of any kind of blending and should only be solid colors that all stand out form each other and make a messy, blocky pile of squares.
>>748938745People spend thousands of dollars making retarded setups despite the fact the look of your room doesn’t impact the play experience at all, most people who played nes/snes/n64 games probably never saw a single scan line at all yet the larpers treat it as though it’s the single most important part
>>748939095Your opinion of the people in this hobby is irrelevant. The fact that you insult the technology itself is what i have a problem with. I don't think we should be paying what people are for CRT's and I say this because I didn't pay a premium. I got mine for less than what a standard monitor on amazon would cost.And again, are you born yesterday or something? People who play nes/snes/n64 games NOW for any other reason than nostalgia are a minority. I am part of that minority, so I would know. Everyone and their mother saw these games on CRT's, it's just that rn people getting into it don't have that luxury waiting for them in their living room.
>>748939094Your obsession with release era accuracy is retarded. Devs don't design pixel graphics with bleed in mind, that's just a happy little accident. They draw concept art and then they draw it on graph paper and outline and color in the pixels.
>>748938153He know he can't defeat air man, even with the cope of trying to get wood man
>>748939472Adding comically thick scan lines to games that never had them in 99.99% of situations is nothing but larping, that’s just how it is, up the colour bleed and call it a day, that’s all you need to do
>>748939531They certain you did design with colour bleed in mind, composers from the era only ever heard the compressed version of the samples they would use since that was how it would be heard by everyone playing the game
>>748939531Well, there's no use reiterating what i've already told you.You can enjoy the games without using a shader or a CRT. don't use one, actually. cuz it's clear you don't like them and that's fine. Enjoy the games how you wish to enjoy them but don't mock people who actually understand these games and the technology behind them on a deeper level. We see these games as art and art should be preserved and seen as it was intended. If you don't, then we can just agree to disagree.
>>748939531It's a long story actually.They did started on graph paper around the early 80's, but when you had to fill 128KB of tile data, they started to use computers connected to TVs and sometimes even the real hardware.
>>748939823Where are the comically thick scanlines? please show them to me.
>>748939992Open retroarch and pick any random crt shader preset
>>748907427I like playing them in stretched ultrawide on an IPS monitor with an HQ filter.
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>>748940068bejitabro btwalso i love moege
>>748940063What's thick for you is normal for others. It's ok to be wrong, but why are you so butt hurt by scanlines?
>>748939940Games aren't art, they're consumer products. They don't encourage deeper thinking, they don't represent the zeitgeist, they're the face of manufactured monoculture.
>>748940450>i have never played dwarf fortress
>>748940450You don't respect and value this medium as much as we do. This isn't a wrong way to see games. I also see other mediums this way, like movies and TV shows. They're something to consume to me but i can acknowledge that other's find them profound and something to be cherished. Why is it so hard for you to do with video games?
>>748940450Books are consumer products, basically just harry potter clones and smut shit about how a minotaur fucked a woman several times that is totally not a self insert of the reader.
>>748940250Because they essentially didn’t exist until filtertrannies started larping
>>748940781Nah they do (see >>748937148 )Composite output, 15" TV and you still can see em specially on the tree trunks."240p" is just the TV drawing the same field over and over.The standard NTSC signal require you to shift the timming a bit to draw all the 480 lines. if you don't, TV draws only half.It don't look significantly darker because the lines are drawn twice as bright.It makes the picture a bit sharper.
>>748908523Ive been on 4chan for almost 2 decades and this is the most disturbing photo I've ever seen
>>748941330A fool and his money..
The motion clarity of CRT is unreal. Even for modern indies like Deltarune I was having a way easier time reacting to all the attack patterns on one
