I don't get why Aonuma hates Majora's Mask and tried so hard to remove the charm in the remake.
>>748912268because its a shit game like every zelda pre-botw
>>748912337kys
>>748912337Aonuma agrees with you.
>>748912268he probably hates that Link is the main character and not Zelda at this point
>>748912337Hi Aonuma
>>748912790Why'd he do her so dirty in Echoes of Wisdom then
>>748912268this sucks ass tho
>>748912268who?why isn't there an eceleb board for zoomers and alphas to fuck off inpost about YOUR opinion on video games, nigger
>>748912268All of its best aspects actually came from koizumi
>>748912268Super pretentious game, all the timer does is pad out the relatively short game.
>>748912790I'm convinced that Aonuma hates everything about Zelda at this point.
>>748912268>>748912942He's jaded and tired of working on Zelda.
>>748913350He was tired since 2000 then
>>748912268Because he didn't make it. Aonuma worked solely on the dungeons, while Koizumi did everything else.
>>748914134That quote has to be fake.
>>748912268>his best workThis game fucking sucks, fuck off.
>>748914134That quote is based.
>>748912942He didn't work on it.>but the producer credit buried way at the bottomThat's just a pre-demotion honorary title for all the "creative fellow" elderly whose retirements Nintendo is paying.
>>748912337not even subtle
>>748914350It's hard to find a source for it. But here is an old interview from 2000, which makes it very obvious this was koizumis game:https://glitterberri.com/staff-interview/zelda-is-always-bringing-something-new-to-the-table/
>>748914134This is Link's subconscious desire to fuck Malon or something right?
Aonuma was tasked with making a remix of OoT and Koizumi said "fuck that we have all these assets let's make a new game." Basically he's salty because MM was a financial success and remembered fondly for pretty much everything besides the dungeons.
>>748914871I believe you. This game has too much passion to be made by Aonuma.
>>748912268This was a good rendition of Link too, but he was trapped in a mid game.
>>748915052It was more like>Aonuma tried to make the game on his own>Couldn't do it, so Miyamoto had to drag Koizumi on to salvage it>Most the core ideas (like the time loop) come from another game idea Koizumi had to scrap + his life experiences in general
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>>748914134The dungeons were good, don't see the issue.
>>748915450I didn't say the dungeons were bad, I said Aonuma did not make the majority of the game.
>>748915191Considering how Twilight Princess came to be I can believe that.
>>748912337Fpwp, and I don't even like MM that much.
>>748915191Even with all the asset flipping, I feel like Aonuma was in over his head by trying to make a whole-ass game in such a limited amount of time.
>>748912268it was koizumi's idea and he knows, the game that he made fully was WW and it was met with absolute scorn to the point they thought they had killed the franchise until they saw the reaction of the fans for the TP trailer
>>748912268He doesn't hate the game, but he had a bad time because of crunch development due having only one year to make it.
>>748916748Kind of like Sakurai with Melee.
>>748912268Apparently Koizumi was involved with a lot of what made Majora's Mask MAJORA'S MASK.
>>748912337They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>748915296That means her family is more powerful.
>>748916748He hates the game, for the iwata asks interview he directly mentions that he wishes people would forget it exists and questions why people even like it and that he was surprised to see anyone ask for a remake. When they put him to make the 3ds version without koizumi in it you saw how many things he changed to standardize it as his other games
>>748917259>Eiji-kun is a weak manKEK!
>>748916748sounds like it was hell to work on, most of the game's themes and features were based on the real life struggles the dev team faced. The time feature came about due to their panic about the one year deadline. Probably traumatic for him to even recall.There's so many fight or flight stories like this in the 80s or 90s where teams come out with gold when faced with unreasonable deadlines, severe constraints or imminent financial ruin. Hopefully with the industry falling apart, we start to see more of this again.
>>748917431There is a point to that. Some teams with long development cycles get extremely complacent.
>>748917431>>748917567>>748916748>However, it really only takes a year to make the game itself. For Majora’s Mask, we had 30 to 50 staff members working on the game right from the get-go. With amount of resources required for a Zelda game, we had everyone working overtime. Striving for a unique experience with every game makes for hard work. And we did manage to do that with Majora’s Mask. So, all in all, I can say that it made for one strenuous year.It took a year to make just like Melee.
Sometimes I wish Eiji Aonuma got to make a series of puppet inspired adventure games instead of being on Zelda
aonuma fears koizumi
>>748917431>most of the game's themes and features were based on the real life struggles the dev team faced.Buddhism has been about dealing with impending mortality for millennia.
Reminder that aonuma was hired for his ability to make dungeons and now he wants to only make games without them and doesn't understand why people don't want that (just how he doesn't understand why people like MM)
>>748918663He was hired because he made wooden puppets.
>>748919714Is that why the Ocarina of Time remake looks so off-putting?
>>748912268You'll understand it if you become an artist.
>>748912268It's a tedious game they crunched out when the world seemed fucked. I would hate it too if I were him. Imagine a bunch of circlejerking fucktards on the internet telling you that your worst work is a special piece of art!
>>748919714miyamoto and aonuma are both toy makers, those skills are why aonuma got put as the dungeon master and now he wants to stop doing that because he is stupid
>>748912268Because all the best games ever made had turbulent, traumatizing dev cycles where people fell out with each other over stress and high demand.We remember the good game they made. They only remember the bad days and people quitting or never talking to them again after a horrible crunch cycle where everyone hated Aonuma for asking too much of them.And he loves Breath of the Wild because it was given a full year Surplus when they cut off content-ideation and shifted to playtesting with feedback with the game basically unfinished, and just being allowed to relax finalizing the game, with devs who also had a blast.And it shows. BotW is a shit game with nothing in it.
>>748912790You’re thinking of Fujibayashi, anon. He’s the nigger behind both>godwife and her submissive golden retriever boyfriend>when Zelda isn’t around every character should be saying “where’s Zelda?”
>>748916748>he had a bad time because of crunch development due having only one year to make itFun fact: Miyamoto was willing to let the team delay MM for the betterment of the staff. Would you like to guess who declined that offer?https://www.zeldadungeon.net/majoras-mask-development-could-have-had-delays-but-eiji-aonuma-refused-to-d/Aonuma put himself through a bad experience and blamed the video games for his choices.
>>748912268Everyone loved the remake. You're an idiot.
>>748918471so does miyamotomiyamoto HATED Link's Awakening and the storybook Koizumi added to Mario Galaxy
>>748921332Honestly the right call. Reminder that Rare didn't do this and dinosaur planet died due to the N64s early death. They managed to rework it into adventures, but still.Internally the team probably knew the gamecube was already in the works.
>>748921289I hate that giraffe necked faggot.
>>748921332It was a false choice though, Shiggy would continue to rub it in his face that Aonuma could not in fact make a game in a year.
>>748912268The Japanese are degenerate self-loathing race. It shows in their art and how they feel about their art
>>748921332Reading Jap interview questions feel so fucking unnatural
>>748912268You have to understand he never wanted to make MM in the first place, and was busy with a non-Zelda title at the time based on an idea for a permanent world with NPCs that followed set schedules and was essentially forced into taking over a developer by Miyamoto because they only had 1 year to complete it.https://n64squid.com/majoras-mask-boredom/
>>748921332I really will never understand the Japanese.
>>748922471You are confusing koizumi with aonuma. The only thing that interview talks about is that they dropped the cycle from 7 to 3 days. But the initial idea was from koizumis cops and robbers game.
>>748912268Because most of it was just recycled Ura Zelda. Wind Waker was Aonuma's first true outing into the Zelda series where he made everything from the ground up.
>>748921238Taking a long time to produce works of art is extremely common place, as traditional paintings took forever and epics written for kings would be written for decades.Unfortunately video game devs are not remotely as competent at constructing deep narratives, so the quicker the game comes out the less likely it is to be infected with their own personal desires.
>>748915118I like him well enough but I would've liked to have seen how Miyamoto's SS went with its older Link.
>>748922898Aonuma also wasn't the director of MM. He didn't like the more 'serious' stuff Koizumi was putting in clock town, and tried to counter it by making his areas more light hearted. It's why the whole tone of MM feels strange.
>>748912268He's retarded
>>748923037>older LinkFunny to think that most Links are <18, with the sole exception of BOTK Link who's in his early 20s by TOTK.
>>748922814>You are confusing koizumi with aonuma. The only thing that interview talks about is that they dropped the cycle from 7 to 3 days. But the initial idea was from koizumis cops and robbers game.Ah I went and rechecked, you're right. My bad.Also the stress of development for MM gave Aonuma nightmares:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4hAPbRGt78&t=64s
>>748923267I thought Aonuma would be the person who loves the darker elements given that Breath of the Wild is so post-apocalyptic it is practically empty.
>>748915191>>748921332Yup, Miyamoto and Koizumi are based. Aonuma is the one ruining everything and for some reason Miyamoto still catches all the flak for it.
best zelda
>>748912268The more time passes, the more I think Aonuma is a hack who was propped up by the talent around him.
>>748924221Breath of the Wild is so post-apocalyptic and empty that it doesn't even have those darker elements.
>>748921332I do wonder what would have changed if given more time. But the Majora's Mask we got is perfectly OK.
>>748924221The post apocalyptic thing is set dressing, nothing more.
>>748924374>>748924932Breath of the Wild feels neither joyful nor dark, it just feels empty, which is to say boring.
If Aonuma was a dungeon jockey again, would the series improve wholesale?
>>748912268>Why does Aonuma hate his best work?He doesn't hate BOTW.
>>748925247Wow Echoes of Wisdom sold terribly. I didn't expect it to be lower than a Link Between Worlds.
>>748925202Yes, but I still think he sucks.
>>748925202People often say Aonuma should've been the one sent to the Mario mines, but I think he could've stuck around as the dungeon guy while Koizumi ran the bigger picture.
>>748925191Yeah that was my point.>>748925202No. That's why we had the Water Temple in OoT and why every temple in TP was an OoT Water Temple esque tedium where the spectacle was cool to watch but mind numbing to play.
>>748925247>sales reception = qualityHow many times do we need to have this retarded argument? Is FIFA the greatest games in the world? NO? Then maybe don't lean on that retarded stance.
>>748925247BotW wasn't even his work you retarded tendie. It was Fujibayashi's.
>>748925512BotW didn't even sell well on its original console. Both WW and WWHD outsold it individually which put into perspective. That is the Zelda that nearly killed the franchise, selling better than it twice over.
>>748925202Yes, but for some reason he got full control of the franchise. Which with how japan works you either get promoted or retired, you never go "backwards".
>>748925470The water temple was ambrosia thobeit.
>>748925247based department
>>748925612I mean nothing sold well on the Wii U because the console itself hardly sold. It did fine on Switch.
>>748925612??? It sold insanely well on Switch, lmao
>>748914576Koizumi is based. Fuck Miyamoto for taking him off Zelda.
>>748912268Part of my head canon is that Aonuma hated working with Imamura. Absolutely nothing to base this on either.
>>748925247>four swords adventuresIt's not FAIR
>>748912268because he's a retard who's been tired of Zelda since tp or so. fucking NIGGER
>>748926101Why did he take him off?
>>748926915Link's Awakening was too good.
>>748926559this tree must be voiced by zach hadel
>>748926981>He was behind the only game better than Majora's MaskDamn it. I didn't even know this guy existed until now. I apologize.
>>748926559I want to see this picture but the tree is link and sonic is navi
>>748927051He directed Mario Sunshine and Galaxy also.
>>748927301>Mario GalaxyLiterally the only game with a Mario character that had anything remotely resembling depth. This dude is the best storywriter for Nintendo by far.
>>748927051Nothing to apologize over. Koizumi doesn't get talked about as much, since he only worked on a couple of zeldas, then got "promoted" to mario.
>>748927463He personally wrote the storybook.
>>748926981>Dream Hint BookMajora's Mask is confirmed to be in a dream world of Link's subconscious? It's been a long while.
>>748928089it's a parallel world, it's directly mentioned in the booklet in both languages
>>748914134>>748926981>>748927301I fucking kneel.
>>748928685Doesn't make much sense but neither does the game so that's okay.
>>748912268because he and the others don't really understand why it's beloved
>>748926052You can't even use that excuse because the Gamecube didn't sell well either.
>>748925512>sales reception = quality
>>748926092Switch isn't BotW's original console you retarded Switch tendie.
>>748925612>BotW didn't even sell well on its original consoleBecause it's a shit console.
To this day people still don't know how la creatividad made tears of the cuckdom
>is that an active zelda thread about a game that isn't botw?>better make it about botwFeed the moderators to dodongo.
>>748925549>BotW wasn't even his workHe was the producer you stupid fuck
>>748929813He was one of the producers you retarded fucking secondary. He was technically a producer in OoT too despite only leading the dungeon team not that you've played it long enough to reach the credits.
>>748929885>He was technically a producer in OoT tooHe became producer after TP. He was director up until then. Of OOT's five directors, he was the dungeon guy.It's already been said earlier in the thread but I kind of wish he just stayed the dungeon guy. OOT had good dungeons. I can't help but feel like his true talent was lost along the way.
>>748924420>I do wonder what would have changed if given more time.I'm guessing because Miyamoto saw that they had a really promising game and was willing to extend the deadline to support it.
>>748924420Probably would be a more watered down version given how the darker elements were all a result of Koizumi being put in to get the game released quickly.
>>748924321aonuma is solely responsible for the oot and mm dungeons being good so no, hes not a hack, he also saved zelda from the choping block even if it was largely self interest. Hes just not the zelda god modern nintendo is branding him as.
>>748929581Reminder that Game Informer also gave Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess perfect 10s too and the person who did give SS a 10 got outed as a creep.
>>748929752Let me guess, you play like the left?
>>748930509Not to be a sales matter guy but if you get promoted as head role and the series stars being consistently half baked then maybe something is wrong.
>>748929885>He was one of the producersAre these other producers in the room with us right now dipshit?
>>748930654if you actually did korok shit you are a goyslop consumer
>>748930852Ok so that's a yes. Figured as much.
>>748930509>aonuma is solely responsible for the oot and mm dungeons being goodHe definitely isn't.
>>748923301I'm fairly sure TP Link was also an adult.
>>748921443Please Koizumi make a new game!
>>748926915Mario Sunshine needed a director, and Koizumi already had prior experience with the series via Mario 64.
>>748931910He's 17 because OOT's ''''''''''Adult'''''''''' Link is 17.
Zelda will be good again one day.
>>748912268>I don't get why Aonuma hates Majora's Mask and tried so hard to remove the charm in the remake.He probably doesn't want Death Itself to be our guiding light.I fear for what's hiding inside Majora's Mask's hidden game. The game is dark as it is. Just how dark is the hidden game?
>>748929581>game critics = quality>LITERALLY citing Polygon and KotakuIt's like you're trying to prove yourself wrong
>>748932474I don't know what you are but I love schizo babble so please continue.
>>748932596just google "from software lawsuit".some people on /v/ have been trying to cancel me because of what i believe in. but i am not cancelled, even today.i think all japanese videogames are hiding a second hidden game inside them. it's supposed to be a grand awakening that Japan has to trigger. But with me, they failed to do that. I DON'T KEEP SECRETSI DON'T ACCEPT A VOW OF SILENCEI DON'T BECOME CHRISTIANit's that simple.
>>748912337Aonuma-san...
>>748932725oh christ this guy
>>748932725I think most video game developers, Japanese included, are talentless hacks who just consume the current cultural zeitgeist. Majora's Mask is one of those games that are very esoteric in nature though so honestly if you find something more hidden there good for you.
>>748932974>christaren't you tired of him by now?
>>748912268Educate an illiterate peasant, will you?Who are the people behind the Zelda franchise (Aonuma, Koizumi, Fujibayashi, etc)?I've seen some discussions around this but I don't know any of them, I just played the games and never bothered to look shit up. So a QRD would be appreciated
>>748933031Well, speaking strictly from the released dimension for Majora's Mask, Termina Field literally has "Terminal" in it's name, well, sort of.The entire game seems to be an introduction for Link to the World of the Dead. It gets very cozy.But...Should Death itself guide us? that's the question that might be one of the reasons he looks down on the game. I speak only a guess.
>>748933260I think death is a very motivating factor to get all the things you want in life, as demonstrated with the time system in the game. It doesn't possess a moral framework in of itself though so it can't be the guiding figure itself.
>>748923037wish ss link looked like that render vs the faggot we got in the game
>>748933459i hope the ocarina of time remake is cozy. Zelda has some real cozy moments like pic related.
Yeah real cozy moments like... The beginning of the fucking game. Brick to the heads of all tripfag subhumans.
>>748932419>Zelda will be good again one day.Please GREZZO, remake the Oracles of Seasons/Ages games using the LA/EoW-engine and add the cancelled Oracle of Secrets Chapter Content to finally complete the Linked Game™.
>>748934690>Please GREZZO, remake the Oracles of Seasons/Ages gameI'd even accept something like this.
>>748934689>real cozy moments like Lake Hylia, Fishing Hole, Faron Woods, Kakariko Village, Castle Town, and Snowpeak MansionYup. YUP!
>>748932540>sales don't count>reviews don't countGiga cope.
>>748932419Zelda has been good since these past three games.
>a turd is only good if it sells a lotI guess that's one way to view it.
>something is only good if it reviews and sells wellCorrect. Not sure why this fact triggers you so much.
>>748912337>because its a shit gameyes>like every zelda pre-botwno
>>748912337
>>748924221>I thought Aonuma would be the person who loves the darker elementsYou're talking about the man whose favorite game he ever made is Wind Waker, and thinks Octoroks in Zelda 1 are scary and daunting enemies
>>748912268I hate that everything needs to be Open World or close to it with Aonuma now>no no no gaijin, you don't get it.. you THINK you want tightly designed linear worlds with a sense of progression. What you really want is large, empty open worlds with the answer to every puzzle being open and creative with 100 answers that can easily be cheesed because we barely playtested it and everything you could need placed in the room as well
>>748936636>favorite game he ever made is Wind WakerHis favorite is Phantom Hourglass because his wife likes it.
>>748914134Koizumi is based
>>748912268go over the interview on this archived thread. aonuma is tired of Zelda and wishes he could "graduate" from it: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/739063261/#q739100372
>>748936831What a pussy whipped bitch LMAOOOOOOOOO
>>748936685>you THINK you want tightly designed linear worlds with a sense of progressionThe sales don't lie. People who think they want that are just a vocal minority. They're a business and it makes no sense to pander to a small subset of the fanbase, when they make more money giving most of their consumers what they actually want.
>>748937101>Miyamoto told him he'd "be the producer, not the director, this time, and I really want you to take some distance away from the actual designing of the game but see things differentlyAonuma is the real life Pikmin, Shiggy just won't stop trying to make him work.
>>748917382>Eiji has strengthened his bloodlinehaha...
>>748912337I disagree but i respect your certainty.
>>748914134>>748926981>>748927301Wow this guy knows what he's doing, Mario Galaxy too? One of the best
>>748936831>>748937102Ha, man changed his answer after he said this then.https://www.zeldadungeon.net/aonuma-the-wind-waker-is-special-as-it-coincided-with-the-birth-of-his-son/
>>748935535Let me know if you think IGN is a real authority on good games so I can fucking laugh in your face.
>>748934909The only redeemable quality of this dumb bitch is that she has ducks in her fishing hole.
>>748934842>>748934690You're getting a half assed funko pop adaptation that chugs to run and you will buy it anyway because you're subhuman cattle.
>>748937951I'd put my duck in her fishing hole
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>>748914134Koizumi and Imamura are the ones who made the game so unique and with it's own identity
>>748937895>sonicfagOpinion discarded
>>748938468>that one fag who needs to personally sign off on the reaction image you have saved
>>748938346Notice how when they both were gone the series immediately started just ripping off other things and losing its identity in the process?
>>748938941You're telling me that you don't love the endless studio ghibli "references"? Imamura kind of took what was supposed to be a medieval fantasy series and turned it into something it was never meant to be.
>>748939223Sorry, I meant Eiji Aonuma, Imamura is cool and should have continued to have a big role.
>>748914134based as fuck
>>748938941Which episode of Samurai Jack is this?
>>748921289How could he deliver kino with the Oracle games and Minish Cap and completely miss the point in later entries?
>>748938791>vtuberfagJust kill yourself
>>748934842that looks fucking awful
>>748914134Why isn't that considered grooming?
>>748923037How is SS anyway, is it Twilight Princess tier?
>>748914134The based taste of truth. And while we're at it, he worked on a lot of things that defined OoT as well. I say this man didn't get enough credit for these games.
>>748940992>he actually fell for the baitno one will accuse you of being too smart
>>748915015That's dependent entirely on how retarded you think the "All just a dream" explanation is VS "it's just a weird alternate reality accessed through the weird forest where space and time repeatedly get fucked in the ass throughout the franchise" which was basically the standing explanation behind the scenes for decades.
>>748941218While it's possible for an older woman to groom a younger man, the nature of male sexuality is so fucking different from that of women that assuming she's hot then she doesn't really need to and thus usually it doesn't happen.99% of the time when you see those articles about some hot 20-30 something teacher chick having "molested" a student and they claim he's traumatized it's usually either the parents, usually the mother, projecting on his behavior or he's just lying about it to avoid getting in any trouble because it's bad enough he just lost access to primo pussy, because from age 13+ a guy is not going to need to be coerced or convinced to fuck a chick who isn't fat or ugly.
>>748933216As the old 4chanians say... Lurk moar
>>748942197>Nintendo is down????
>>748942025I could pretend to care enough to analyze things or just say I like the former explanation more I want Link to desire sex with Malon.
>>748942025it's not behind the scenes, that's literally the canon explanation in the fucking instruction booklet that comes with the game where they explain why link is doing what he is doing, that's why everyone everywhere since 2000 has been saying it's a parallel world, that's verbatim the term used even in japanese
>>748912268Every Zelda game mogs Majora's Mask with the exception of dogshit Wind Waker.
>>748915296Wait that's Aonuma? Holy kek, I always thought that guy gave off cuck vibes.
>>748923301Actually BOTW Link is over 100, he was in the regenerative chamber for a century.They never explain why Zelda didn't age while holding back Ganon BTW, when she's just as old.
>>748912268I don't care about Aonuma, I just want Koizumi to make games again
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>>748915296Based. This should be a more common practice.
>>748912268gay game, turns gays gay
