Why can't any western genre beat JRPG's on narrative?
Westerners can’t write
You ever heard of the Chinese godfather?
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western writers just tell the same 3 stories
>>748924950He made them an offer they couldn't understand.
>>748924578I don't think it's that hard to beat Kingdom Hearts on narrative anonNot to mention monster JRPGsPokemon, Yo-Kai Watch, SMT, etc barely have a narrative to begin with
>>748927550Kingdom Hearts blows the majority of western game narratives out of the water. It's competing against the likes of Batman/Spiderman games GTA or a Witcher and so on.
>>748924578It's a shame JRPGs like this have been pushed out of the industry, Japanese companies are chasing trends instead of making what they are good at.
>>748927550>I don't think it's that hard to beat Kingdom Hearts on narrative anonYou thought wrong>Pokemon, Yo-Kai Watch, SMT, etc barely have a narrative try playing them
>>748924839FPBPBut to be more specific Japanese games tend to put more emphasis on emotions and presentation over typical writing so they're much more effective at writing compelling stories and characters, even if the plot itself is retarded or just cliches. That cultural emphasis paired with the Japanese industry (typically) being filled by actual autists and videogame fans, as opposed to the west where only people who hate art and videogames seem to get into the industry.
Because Japanese people will write for an audience and mold their writing for a demographic.Westerners will write narrative to show that they're above the opinions of a demographic.That's why with the "post-woke" stuff, everything is lectured to the player, gameplay and story.The neo-liberal mindset holds intellectual and social fallacies that fall apart when questioned, that's why that "talking down to the player" exists.
Just look at this fuckin Chib. She was basically the main character.
The only recent western game with good writing is Cyberpunk 2077, and ironically that narrative is full of Japanese people, the setting Japanese and made by Euro-jankers.
>>748924839Why?
>>748924578JRPGs aren't well written
>>748927550dark souls.
>>748924578Why can't western voice actors, every flavor from burgers to euros, even come close to measuring up to the superior talents in the japanese voice acting world. It's like night and day in the difference in quality.
>>748928861They used to be able to. It's got to do with the Trump/LGBBQ/C19 stuff that fried everyone's brains.How can you write a provoking narrative when you hold all these cognitively dissonant ideas?How can you write a character like Luke where you have to deconstruct him and point out his faults and where he grows.Doing that is like a reflection of the author and doing that brings to light,>well if this character's arc is this malleable, maybe my own thoughts are toobut you can't have that in this sort of propaganda state of western society. You can't say "maybe I should question x and y" because the social dogma is that you can't.You can't question gender, science, AI, etc., so what hope does your narrative have? That's why all modern western narratives are just A to B stories.
>>748928905Tales of the Abyss
>>748928985Western VAs treat it as a job, Jap VAs treat it as a career. It's really that simple.
>>748929281one of the only truly well written JRPGs. it was wasted on an audience with low EQ
>>748924578is this nigger serious lmao
>>748924578>>748924839>>748925434>>748925531>>748927661>JRPG's>narrativeA bunch of teenagers fight monsters with the power of friendship. That is literally 2/3rds of all JRPGs ever, the genre fucking sucks. They aren't even real RPG's. Some of you are super embarrassing with how much you worship these shitty chink games and you will never be Japanese.
>>748929493Yeah, and I played every "acclaimed" Western game.
>>748928985A lot of JP voice acting has gotten trope-y though because they just typecast people and already have these pre-established voices for characters.If I say "do a tsun schoolgirl", you already know the voice.It's different from back then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvRULzEDjt4
>>748924578>>748924839Because western writers pollute their games and stories in general with unecessary political crap, instead of just focusing on making a fun and compelling story. It always needs to include this or that, specially if it's a game from an AAA company.
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>>748924578Anybody who plays a JRPG and doesn't immediately die of cringe from the shit writing is 100% retarded You have to be a third worlder or an actual child to enjoy most of what the japs think is good RPG writing, ofcourse /v/iggers love it because most of them are complete and total mongoloids and dumber than your average nigger
>>748924839fpbpbaldur's gate 3 succeeded because it took a lot of cues from JRPGs.not to mention expedition 33, even more overtly.I can't remember the last time a WRPG-ass WRPG had even a semblance of an entertaining plot
>>748924578JRPGs suck and the Japanese can't write believable characters.
>>748929598Explain why a good story can't involve teenagers fighting monsters or friendship. Western slop has more "varied" window dressing but the actual core is shallow, JRPGs build off well established tropes to tell the best stories in modern media. Nier mogs the hell out of any Western slop.
>>748929598>That is literally 2/3rds of all JRPGs everMore like 90%, it's basically the only thing japs can write. The arrested development most people in that country have is fucking insane, let alone the autism you need to suffer from to not get tired of experiencing the same story for 40 fucking years
>>748929598Witcher 3 is just a geriatric with the personality of a teenager saving the world with the power of friendship and the chosen one.
>>748924578Fucking lol. Super thought provoking narrative when I played Tales of Vesperia and there was a 12 year old pirate girl who repeatedly says she has a crush on the MC to appeal to sperg pedos. Just an utter master class in Japanese world building and story telling
>>748929741>baldur's gate 3 succeeded because it took a lot of cues from JRPGsI think it's more taken from Witcher 3 and Mass Effect 2, which are these vignette story collections. More like Dragon Quest.
I've consistently felt embarrassed playing any of the badlurs gate titles and especially dragon age and mass effect. Never once felt embarrassed for myself playing any of normura's works. It's just more grown up than the stunted nonsense that the brightest creative minds of the western sphere are capable of.
>>748929954Yes but it tricks you with the quality of the voice acting, majoirty of western games do this to normies.They can't discern the actual underlying narrative quality but as long as it sounds good and the presentattion is 10/10, that's good enough.Look at God of War. Run of the mill father son story and people think it's a masterpiece.
>>748930215>Never once felt embarrassed for myself playing any of normura's worksSay fellas...
>>748930295Did anyone mention to door to sincerity and emotional kino? patricians did.
>>748929954>>748929808JRPGs are designed to appeal to spergs. You dislike Western RPGs because the characters tend to look and act like normal people and this scares you because you are autistic
>>748930380As much as we laugh at KH, look at this. Shit got Fortnite players choked up 20 years later.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4MkCR7ejU
>>748924578>play JRPG>starting village is burned down>grind for 500 hours>ends with killing god>play RPG>has cohesive story
>>748924578>>748924839Lmao name any significant Japanese literary works that have international recognitionIm not even touching on visual design, because 99% of JRPGs are European in design How many Jap games use Western religion, western themes, western weapons and armor?
>>748930459Try a little bit harder please. I can tell you're attempting to bait but I didn't feel even a spark of anger build and I'm a junkie who needs another fix
>>748930505>we laugh at Not really interested in the mouthy fringe minority.
>>748930514The goalposts have been moved to Pluto
>>748930459This post has already caused at least one of them to get big mad, you can tell a lot of these guys are speds because of how readily they admit to not being able to relate to anything that isn't kiddie-tier "i am telling you how I feel right now" tier shit
>He thinks any video game characters let alone genrefiction shit WRPGs characters behave like a real personholy autismo
>>748930514If I say Neon Genesis and Ghost in the Shell it's over. Pokemon? Gundam? One Piece? Naruto?Come on son.
>>748930624Name (1) Japanese literary work of any significanceI dont need to repost about how all JRPG narratives are mostly identical, other anons beat me to it
>>748930514>Lmao name any significant Japanese literary works that have international recognitionSnow Country and Mishima in general.And your point is moot, just because they haven't been discovered yet doesn't mean they aren't on the level of the best literature.There's literally at least a dozen Japanese visual novels on par with the best Western literature in history. White Album 2, for one example.>How many Jap games use Western religion, western themes, western weapons and armor?How many american games appropriate appropriate Japanese samurai, ninja, Shinto imagery, anime aesthetics, etc
>>748924578Tales of the Abyss is a overrated to hell game and I say this as someone who beat it twice.The game basically dies after Largo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lnG1nwH5cU
>>748930742Oh so you immediately abandoned your position that including western weapons makes a work not count. Your viewpoint is fluid like water because you don't have a position.
>>748930756>White Album 2,holy shit faggot GET OVER HIGH SCHOOLjesus christ, we get it, it's the only time in a jap's life where he isn't expected to work 90 hours a week and he actually gets to have a social life
>>748930742>Name (1) Japanese literary work of any significanceNeon Genesis Evangelion. Xenogears. Soukou Akki Muramasa. White Album 2.
>>748930735Neon Genesis is a mish mash of Western religion Ghost in the Shell is international political intriguePokémon is blatantly westernGundam is not set in JapanThe Japanese were not pirates, European themes again
>>748930548I'm being deadly serious. Stuff like Persona, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts etc where everyone is 16 years old and doing le badass poses, wacky facial expressions, dramatic monologues while telling you exactly what they are thinking at all times are taylor made to appeal to autists. Normal people do not have an interest in these games.
>>748930756You dont know what moot meansWhite album is slice of life slop
>>748930840>why are contemporary stories about the most formative and significant part of contemporary human beings' livesare you retarded? "It's in highschool" is not criticism
>>748929598>you fight monsters... in a video gameWhat should a video game plot be instead? You sit around?
>>748930956I'm still not feeling anything, just screeching "autists autists autists" doesn't do anything. This lack of effort is why your life is unfixable, man.
>>748930993You talk to random people who tell you their entire lives, then you romance them with an awkward sex scene and that will affect your ending. Peak RPG. Game mechanics are not important.
>>748930979>high school>the most formative and significant part of contemporary human beings' livesThis is how fucking stupid people who praise jap writing are, in any country on earth other than japan you're considered a massive failure if you give a shit about what happened in high school past not being there
>>748931145Did you know 1 in 4 adult males in Japan are virgins?They live to recreate high school, its their whole culture
>>748930956Dragon Quest is more similar in tone to classic fairytales with some Toriyama-ism for flavor.No idea why you included it, literally everybody from little kids to grandpas played those games in Japan. Unless you genuinely believe the entire nation is autistic which would make your point even more laughable.
>>748931206They're doing pretty well compared to the 3/4 of WRPG fans
>>748924839FPWPjapanese can only write friendshipslop and highschool hijinks.
>>748930840>gets an AI summary of White Album 2Someone genuinely ban this faggot
>>748930884>Actually, these Japanese works you mentioned? heh... they don't actually take place in JapanYou know what, I'm tired of this board.
>>748931342sadly we are beset by sincerely lesser and legitimate normalfags. It makes you want to cry.
>>748931306Explain how Soukou Akki Muramasa or Shin Megami Tensei Nocture fit into either of those categories.
>>748931342Was I supposed to watch that slop instead of getting a summary and immediately getting to know it's more of the same shit Japan has been writing since the 90s? I'm not enough of a loser to waste more than 10 seconds of my life on that shit, the writer sure didn't.
>>748931418I'm tired of the trash that spews retarded dogshit like>japanese media I might like? >akshually it's because it's not japanese chud (but is in every way that is important and the aspects that make it superior to western media)
>>748924578Tales of the Abyss is still the best written Tales game in the entire series. All the games have so-so stories, but Abyss definitely had significantly more effort put into it than all the others.
>>748931418Poor reading comprehension They feature predominantly western themes and locations
>>748930840What's next, you gonna get Grok to draw you a picture of Fate/Stay NIght to figure out what it isGenuine fucking retard here. Get off the website you absolute stupid 88 IQ cunt
>>748924578Awesome! Another JRPG seethe thread. My favorite!
>>748931606>NOOOO HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT "I WISH I WASN'T A LOSER IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THIS HAD HAPPENED TO ME" FANTASY #40123People who are obsessed with this trash should be herded into a big hole in the middle of the Katyn forest and shot in the back of the head, literally fit for nothing but to endlessly consume mindless garbage.
>>748931467you're a high school kid in nocturne. i dunno what the fuck is that other shit.
>>748930993Can you really not think of a possible setting for a video game other than teenagers fighting monsters through the power of friendship? WRPGs will have you in post apocalyptic United States or medieval Europe playing as adult characters working alone or as part of a faction you chose to join. JRPGs are just anime sword man, hot girl you saved and animal sidekick battling monsters every fucking time
>>748931679It's strange isn't it? Summer was supposed to have ended months ago, so why are these whiny kids still crying about jrpgs being beloved on this board and website?
>>748931679WRPG fans in this board never recovered since that obnoxious faggot that spammed those WRPG vs JRPG charts was doxxed and found in a gay bear forum talking about how he got a boner from visiting his barber.
>>748931567>All the games have so-so storiesnot too story focused when it comes to games but it really hurts with Graces though. Its a shame its so fun to play but the story is so meh but the skits are enjoyable.
>>748924578which kingdom hearts is this?
>>748930718Can you really not differentiate the level of realism in how characters behave in something like Persona and Kingdom Hearts compared to something like Fallout and The Witcher. Do they actually look the same to you? Are you legitimately autistic? It's obvious which has more natural dialogue and delivery and which is just constant yelling about what they are thinking at all times so the target audience of autists playing can keep up.
>>748931585What next bro Lion King isn't western because it's in Africa
>>748931567Symphonia and Abyss are the best ones overall. They also have the same scripwriter.Berseria and Xillia 2 are good too, though Xillia 2 suffers from being a sequel to Xillia. Pretty sure for the "Team Destiny" games they talked about story wasn't a priority for those.
>>748929741>baldur's gate 3 succeeded because it took a lot of cues from JRPGsLike what? BG3 sucks ass
The irony of a "why can't westerners write" thread and then these literal ass faggots show up with no reading comprehension dogpiling on anime or Mickey Mouse or whatever the fuck.You cannot make this stuff up. Next they'll be throwing Russian literature under the bus.
>>748931792Sorry unc, but times are changing. The new generation is growing up and realising that these 'classic' JRPG's you boomers recommended for years are in fact total dog shit and are now mocking you for it.
>>748932026Writing their characters on the same level of japanese teenage protagonists but somehow with more stunted and juvenile stories and archetypes. But it's accepted because they're totally mature and big boy adults int he game! It's really funny
>>748929230I ask because I am making my own game, though I never really written characters either but I think I have a general idea of how the characters are, and how the story will go but I suppose my method would be just always asking >What would this character (person) do in this situationThe character I have in mind all have their own faults because I tend to think of them as their own people? Idk, I guess we'll see where my characters take me.
>>748932093>bud actual bought into the shitpost that the kids have a valued say in what matters or how things workoh no no no no no
>>748931969Stop it man, you have zero self-awareness, just drop it and go do something else instead of going on about how you are literally Gerard and women IRL act like in the Witcher 3 for you, or whatever autistic shit you are going about. You are just Fatlus but for a different flavor of shit. Please don't embarass yourself any further.
>>748929281Luke did nothing wrong, imagine getting shit over trusting the only guy that wasn't an asshole (at the moment anyways) towards you unlike the entire party
>>748931969It takes a certain level of autism to even get into JRPGs so anybody defending them on 4chan of all places is likely not mentally OK
>>748929741Baldur's Gate 3 is just coomer bait for both women and men. No one praises the story or talks about it. Even a game like Nier Automata which has coomer elements has a good story and tragic characters that people talk about.
>>748928985The only time an English dub of a Japanese game has impressed me is FFX’s, and that’s mainly due to them using actual voice actors instead of random people from Texas.
Many western rpg games are like Brandon Sanderson books. They just bore you with world building that tells you instead of showing you.
>>748932225>average character design in JRPGs btwIt's a genre for spergs and pedos anon. Just accept
>>748932318>point out WRPG also have juvenile, YA tier novel genre fiction writing 99% of the time (as if this even needs to be pointed out)>that obviously means I love JRPG nowWhatever makes you feel better about yourself, fatso.
>>748932735I like how you’ve completely given up on denying what I wrote. I accept your concession.
>>748931757>WRPGs will have you in post apocalyptic United States or medieval Europe playing as adult characters working alone or as part of a faction you chose to join.And you aren't fighting monsters?
>>748932874They are called black people
>>748929598This attitude is the problem with the west and the reason it is dying. You've forgotten what its like to be a spunky teenager. You've killed the light within with pure spite.
>>748932824What did you write, your shitty reddit post about Geraldo? What was I supposed to say to that? Why do you refuse to acknowledge that JRPG's are objectively designed to appeal to autists and pedos? Why do the characters never shut the fuck up and explain exactly what they are thinking in excruciating detail? Why are the characters often high school aged or younger? Why is it the same shitty tropes every time?
>>748929598And that alone is better than the 2/3 of western writing that is journey to discover how to be a powerful woman or a tranny.
>>748932874I'm currently playing Kingdom Come Deliverance and I can say with certainty you do not battle monsters with a party of stereotypes no.
>>748929281>>748932261The ending especially is pure Jungian kino
>>748932874In Fallout the biggest threat is always other people
>>748933210If you actually read a history book you'd know most great people were 20ish when they accomplished things they are remembered for. Your fantasy about a 40 year old man saving the world is even more ridiculous because you are so far past your physical prime you can't do shit.
>>748933210>Why are the characters often high school aged or younger? Why is it the same shitty tropes every time?the games are typically not designed with 40yos in minduncs are hypocritical on this because I bet you were fine with it when you were a teenager
>>748933478>Your fantasy about a 40 year old man saving the world is even more ridiculousWhat are you talking about? Are you still talking about Geralt from the Witcher? Not sure why you're so butthurt about that franchise specifically. Pretty sure he's a genetically engineered super human who doesn't even age anyway. The MCs of JRPGs are always 15 year olds because that's who those games are for. You are consuming media made for children aka a telltale sign of being a sperg
>>748933946I didn't say anything about Geralt, I don't know how old he is. Yet it's funny how you rely on dumb fantasy reason to why it works, but for some reason this same shit doesn't apply to super special chosen one jrpg boy. You just sound like an idiot sperging over people liking thing you don't like. A sign of low IQ.
>>748930742>Genji Monogatari. Written by a woman 1000 years ago. Likely the earliest written political intrigue novel.>Taketori Monogatari, Also known as Kaguya-hime Monogatari, the story of Kaguya the Moon Princess. Also from the Heian period.>Miyamoto Musashi's "Book of the Five Rings", in which he compiled his knowledge of swordsmanship.And those are just the ones at the top of my head.
>>748924578Play more games.>>748924839Read more books.>>748925434Stop being a follower.
>>748930742wow, you really are just a dumb racist.
newfags are still unironically seething over japanese superiority on ANY board of 4chan? In 2026?
>>748934521>japanese superiority>like 100 years away from going exctinct because half their male population can't stop coping about how great their life would be if only they hadn't been shy losers in high school
>>748932261Not the whole party, mein Nigger Mieu was a ride or die nigga and never betrayed Luke even when he treated him like crap.
>>748932415Wanna know something: Automata is arguably the worst written DoD game, and even then is still miles above a lot of games.
>>748934606Never will be valid sentiment here. lmao, but keep it up I guess.
>>748934606>bringing up population declineyour jewish masters will keep importing niggers and mudslimes into your country until you go extinct, goy
>>748934813>so desperate for approval he needs to have the "valid sentiment" on a board populated almost entirely by retards who never got past the mental age of 15jesus christ, this is what JRPG fans are like? I guess you guys like this garbage so much because you're just like the writers, never got past being the loser in high school
>>748934902>comes to the otaku wizard website>upset to find it is surrounded by otaku wizards on all sides >impotently screams into the void
>>748924578Yeah, don't tell me they are twins, but one was given a good life while the other was raised by rats or something.Generic japslop is so predictable.
>>748924578REPLICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>748935013Both of them are the same person, wanna know more? play the game.
>>748934985>mad that people call him a faggot loser because this is supposed to be his faggot loser clubhouse>endlessly tries to convince others that it's totally normal to have 90% of a genre's content feature high schoolers as the main charactersIt's a genre made for subhumans, you shouldn't be proud of it just like gangbangers shouldn't be proud of being gangbangers just because they're surrounded by other gangbangers all the time, literal gorilla nigger logic.
>>748933406https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Creaturehttps://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mantis_(Fallout)uh................
>>748935132Is this the point where the fringe normalfags and failed normalfags mouth off and try to talk up at anons?
>>748935106>play the game.No, tales of games are dogshit.
There's nothing wrong with playing JRPGs in private if you keep it yourself to spare the embarrassment but please stop trying to convince everyone your favourite thinly veiled dating simulator with anime sword man is a masterpiece
>>748935284hrrrrmnnn...NYO!
>>748935216>he has reaction images of high schoolers readyjesus christ
>>748935258not gonna argue there, they are an acquired niche taste.I love them but I understand people who hate them
>>748924839Almost every jrpg i've been recommended based on story is written like shit. Bloated, childish, clunky, no coherent tone. Terrible. Show me 3 scenes of good writing from jrpgs
>>748924839Westerners always take this criticism as a hit on their western pride. Instead of just writing more interesting stories instead of whatever bullshit they learned at their writing class, they start listing all of the west’s achievements since the greeks like it will fix the lame writing
>>748935321We, all of us, love 2D here.
>>748928861Marvel and other capeshit unironically ruined it. Millennials are such talentless fucking hacks that all they can do is copy other forms of media they basedface at which is why even Indies are just shittier versions of games you already played growing up.
>>748935331video game stories prioritize other things than books or movies do
>>748924578>well said. I'll make those words your last REPLICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>748935414Yeah asians definitely don't have this problem with anime
>>748935630The reality is the trashiest action shounen series is still leagues ahead of anyone and everyone who has ever worked on a DC/Marvel property. It's not even close.
>>748924839Why would you say that?
>>748935182The main antagonists of Fallout games and WRPG's in general are typically factions made up of other people that are a commentary on a real ideology or worldview. I never claimed there were no generic monsters in WRPG's. I also like how you ignored the Kingdom Come Deliverance example because you got btfo. Stop playing games for Japanese 16 year olds anon. Please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9pVmQ1CvkM
>>748935414is not that oversimplified.that's the core of the issue, but an issue that runs deeper is that nowadays is prioritized the academic background of writers instead of their life experiences, and when the life experience is take in account is just literally faggots and niggers, people that can't write anything other than their own identity.
>>748935692No you guys are extremely similar actually
western writers are absolutely terrified of being "cringe" so anything that could even remotely be interpreted as a sincere belief (unless it's about blacks or trannies) has to be filtered through 5 layers of sarcasm.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ5jM8bM2zoStill remember watching the anime adaptation in broken up chunks on youtube after playing the game. >>748935832you guysI dind't say I wasted my time with action shounen. I'm not 14, and I'm not 10 years old and still steading capeshit either. adults in their 30s read romcoms and SoL as well as the occasional 4koma. You'll catch up eventually.
>>748934850Japan is going extinct for free lol
>>748935884> adults in their 30s read romcoms and SoL as well as the occasional 4koma. You'll catch up eventually.Anon romcom writting is horse shit and repetetive.
>>748936020No, it's really not.
>>748935884>You'll catch up eventually.I most certainly will not, but knock yourself out anon. I have my own slop
>>748936070Nothing I posted was slop howeverbeit.
Guys I'm putting together a pitch for a new JRPG. The main character will be a guy with a sword. There will be an animal sidekick. There will be a tomboy and a feminine girl and you can choose who to romance. Maybe we'll throw in a best friend character who's super loud and energetic. Everyone will be 15 years old for some reason. You save the entire world at the end. Westerners will be blown away by our creativity. Truly a master class in world building and story telling
>>748935745>bro jrpgs are all about fighting monsters haha that's so funny- *top10 places to farm mole rats* *youtubes of the bros blasting those mole rats* >uh..*moves goalposts*inb4 you don't fight humans and there aren't factions in jrpgs
>>748931418You can get tired of realizing we still exist and are still the best all you want.
>>748936097Opinion
>>748936124me>you
>>748935692>trust me this isekai is totally not derivative slop like the other 7 billionJaps can’t write. Why is that such a controversial thing to say?
>>748936112That actually sounds kinda cool, can you make sure to give them horrible and gay armor designs, and make the game cel-shaded with water colors?
>>748936112Hmm... I don't know anon. I think the main character should be blander or else the people who play the game won't be able to self-insert enough to fulfil their fantasies of teenage love.
>>748936179Not any anons fault if your fringe outlier opinion paints you as a fringe outlier and makes you upset? Are you the schizo having a meltdown because western writing got shit on by everyone else?
>>748936112Sugoi anon-san youer hava madeo um how dou westerners sayu “kino” I wish every Japanese person and faggot who supports them drops dead
>>748924839FPBP
>>748924578
>>748932108>What would this character (person) do in this situationthat's what you're supposed to do, just make sure you don't say>oh but he can't do [this] because i might get canceled on twitter
>>748924839I agree.I just played the POE2 campaign.Each act has no connection to the other acts other than a singular character running from different locale to different locale to move the story forward. ACT IV has you going to different native islands and the overall sentiment from the act is that the white man church is evil and the pagan brown savages are good and then the pagan brown savages get corrupted by the white man evil church. If you were to tell me that a fan fiction writer wrote the story I would believe em.
>>748924578I miss kino like this
>J"RPGS"s...
>>748936271Why assume I’m upset? Because I think jap writing is ass? Isekai existing at all makes me correct. Who cares that fags on /v/ disagree with me lmao
>>748936112>Guys I'm putting together a pitch for a new JRPG. The main character will be a guy with a sword. There will be an animal sidekick. There will be a tomboy and a feminine girl and you can choose who to romance. Maybe we'll throw in a best friend character who's super loud and energetic. Everyone will be 15 years old for some reason. You save the entire world at the end. Westerners will be blown away by our creativity. Truly a master class in world building and story telling
>>748936271The vast majority of literature that actually matters is western writing. Japanese writing is shitty isekai light novels and harem mangas LMAO
>>748936480I already accepted that my game might get banned by countries or entire platforms because of the story. No point if doing all this effort on the art and only to play it safe with these characters/story on my DREAM game.
>>748924578You could've picked a better example than fucking Kingdom Hearts
weebs still exist in 2026??
>>748934624it was because he had a similar history, by having accidently burnt down part of the woods the Ligers inhabitated, forcing them to encroach on the Cheagle woods and feed on his brethren. he was the only one capable of relating to Luke's situation and support him.
>>748936145why because you read romcoms? why are weebs always so narcissistic
>actually crying and shidding itself because gotoubun has better writing than the literally "greats" of western mediamy sides have entered orbit.
>>748936571I agree wholeheartedly with your image we shouldn't have minorities in jrpgs
>>748936440The only problem I had with Persona 4 is that the story's tension was lower compared to Persona 3,and I hate the fact that you defeat the final boss with the power of friendship and survive, whereas in Persona 3 you cant defeat the final boss and you have no other choice but to seal the boss and become a door.
>>748930459Sperg here, I actually like both, just for different reasons.
>>748924578It's actually the exact opposite. Japanese people don't have the same grasp on stories or characters making any sense. Eastbound & Down shits on every anime ever made
>>748936637Somebody has to keep the boards inline after M00t left.
>>748936592tactical truke
>>748936727i dont get how anyone can still be a weeb when japan has produced nothing but mid to dogshit media in the past 5-10 years
Because western rpgs tend to focus on other things than having a linear story.
>>748936772Holy shit you weeb niggers can't do anything original, just steal people's memes
>Jap writing is better than Western writing Is this an unironic opinion people here actually hold? How autistic and deep into weebdom do you have to be to think this way? Romcom light novels are better literature than Shakespeare and the Ancient Greek epics apparently
>>748924578B-BUT IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT'S COLORFUL AND THE MC LOOKS GAY!
>>748936551Ironically being a retard is still being a retard
>>748930459no its because all wrpgs are boring dull cheap imitations of LotR,Star Wars,Star Trek, and if they are feeling really adventurous Mad Max. And this is before all the woke shit infested shit, just admit these wrpgs are shit gameplay wise and you just pretend the writing is good because its the only cope you've always had with these "games".
>mid to dogshit Imagine being so retarded as to think this is an actual opinion that anons buy into on this website.
>>748936772Shitposting aside Klaus is really the best depiction of the Abrahamic God in vidya and that includes YHVH
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>>748936865Autistic people genuinely believe Japanese repetition and stilted way of talking + telling instead of showing everything including long internal monologues of the protagonist's thoughts is good. That's because they're not calibrated properly and can't comprehend normal emotions and motivations like normal people can. These things need to be spellt out to them like in Japanese television
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>>748937016truth nuke
>>748930514>this motherfucker has never heard of the Tale of GenjiBased fucking retard
answer: irony culture, anti-fun culture, anti-passion culture, anti-youth culture
>>748936714100% true and weird but based counter-exampleAnyone who thinks Japanese games have better stories have at least two of the following:>A two-digit IQ>More than 80% of the media they consume is anime>Have read less than 10 books outside of school assignments in their lifeJapan had some very good narratives in PS1 era RPGs, but when they realized how addicted Western retards were to anime garbage in the 00s (which remember, this is media for children in Japan), they gradually flanderized every narrative to anime tropes and then slopped on some surface-level mecha or occult shit on top of it.
>>748936642certified hood kino
>>748937016>normal people are too retarded to read someone else's complete thoughtlol!
Ignoring the blatant low effort shitposting, when is the remaster for abyss being announced? We need a palette cleanser to wipe GTA and Wolverine off the board for 2-6 weeks.
>>748937016> the normal people in said western writing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePqJEwLBS4Y
>>748931225By Western standards the average Jap is a sperg yes.
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>>748937016bodied those fucking freaks
>>748936113There are not factions in JRPGs no. There is good guy side and bad guy side. You have no say in which one you want to join. Hence JRPG's aren't even real RPG's
>>748937234we dont like that shit either retard
>>748924839Fact check: True!
>>748937016kek it really do be like that
>>748937506people really paid for this shit
>>748937056>>748937343>>748937431>>748937627you can stop samefagging now. and don't even bother using inspect element
>JRPGCHADS won againIt keeps happening....
>>748937630Director in charge of it got fired, only to instantly get shuffled and rehired to be in charge of Baldur's Gate 4. Western game industry is never getting rid of this shit. It's rooted forever.
>>748937469>we >still trying to push the backwards narrative that /v/ is against jrpgs Still at it huh?
>>748929493Yeah, I love jrpgs but the story and characters always suck. Japs can't write for shit.
>>748937676to be fair to wrpg fags any western dev that would make a good game is either forced to have the "right values" in their game or they aren't allowed to make games at all. I wish we got a wild west wrpg by devs that actually like games and not sad theater kids who could never make it in hollywood so they settled.>>748937703such a sad state of things wrpg bros dont deserve this not even the obnoxious ones
>>748937506Therapy language entering the public lexicon is the worst thing to happen to English in a century
>>748924578I'd argue Planescape:Torment and Legacy of Kain both have excellent narratives but it's true the average western game doesn't have good writing. Xenogears still beats any western vidya in terms of storytelling.>>748924839FPBP
>>748937656cope>>748937749"we" as in the people opposing you involved in this conversation. I'm sorry I forgot weebs need everything explained to them several times in a row
The larp that Abyss is well written at all is such cope by retards who played it for the first time when they were 14. It's terrible even by Tales standards. And Luke's 'arc' is so incredibly hamfisted that he's somehow more insufferable at the end then at the beginning.
>>748933718George Washington was in his mid 40s when the revolution took off. Julius Caesar was in his early 30s before he started doing his thing.Young men in their teens to twenties make up the bulk of the fighters in a conflict, but it was almost always men 30+ who were the ones in charge. It is exceedingly rare for a young guy to be leading more than a small group working towards local victories. And any young leaders were surrounded by a lot of older advisors.The guys who made history already had decades of personal experience before the point when you'd imagine the "plot" to their greatest achievements would begin. The equivalent of starting an RPG at Level 30 instead of Level 1.Even in a lot of classic tabletop RPGs, the earliest editions of D&D made it quite clear that even their Level 1 classes were veterans with existing experience.>bet you were fine with it as a teenagerIn my teens, I wanted main characters to be in their 20s-30s.In my 20s-30s, I wanted characters to be in their 20s-30s.Now that I'm closer to 40, I still want leading characters to be in their 20s-30s.There is nothing aspirational about a kid protagonist. When I was a kid, I wanted to emulate Indiana Jones, not Short Round.I want to be the guy who earned his place and refined his skills, not a punk who was given a bunch of powerups in rapid succession.Leading protagonists should be in their twenties at the youngest.
>>748937946>people The only people in this thread are anons. Then there are 1-2 tourists samefagging and whining about japanese media sincerely being loved and adored here though? \
>>748930514Haruki murakami's work?
>>748932573>Criticizing WRPGs for telling and not showing in a thread about J"rpg"s vs WRPGs
>>748935360Every jrpg is the fucking same though. Play one, maybe 3, and you've seen everything they have to offer
>>748924578It honestly varies from case to case. For example the Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver series is amazing, sure enough half of what makes it amazing was inspired by Elric but still amazing. You can say the same of Uncharted 2 and Indiana Jones or The original RDR. All great stories with fantastic memorable main characters. Then again i´d say Valkyrie Profile, Tactics Ogre, Nier Automata or Ni no Kuni are in no way inferior. Am i cherry picking? Absolutely. I could pick different examples and favor either one if i wanted to. You could do the same for movies, books, tv shows you name it. Each game is unique. The same team could work in two different games and one could be a masterpiece and the other a piece of shit. Individual artists make a difference, how the team works together makes a difference, the conditions make a difference.
>>748932093I see, you have a point. I gotta agree, but I do think it's acceptable in the case of weeb stuff, since it's at least genuine and absurd, BG3 on the other hand pushes for this 'realistic' and 'mature' angle, while being basically the same, like you said,
>>748924839FPBP If video games return to be written as interactive games with YA tier writing, then we will see peak again
>>748928861The west stopped teaching they kids properlyalso cuz jews
>>748924578Because of the jews
>>748938953And that's a good thing, you don't have to reinvent the wheel.>Cool characters>Beautiful world>Memorable music>Generic save the world storyDone, wrap, fucking perfect, give me 200 of them.
>>748941879Nah. I like variety. Japan only makes "kill god" rpgs and hentai. It makes sense that they have no sense of exploration, because their island is so small, and no experimentation, because they all worship corporations and lawyers.
>>748942251Then what are you complaining about? If you like variety go play something else and stop being a little brat about something you don't like.
Japanese writing and fiction as a whole becomes cringe as fuck the moment you leave your 20's. It's juvenile, pretentious and they're stuck with a mentality that highschool is the best part of your life. They are a people made up of failed men. Losers.
>>748924839Neither can Easterners.
>>748937959there is a story that as a young man caesar saw a statue of alexander and felt depressed because caesar hadn't accomplished anything yet at his age compared to alexander.
what was the last jrpg that wasn't juvenile nonsense? e33 unironically set the bar too high.
>>748924578>anime vidyagamevs>le heckin chungus wholesome D&D session vidyagame
>>748945451>e33 unironically set the bar too highTrve. French BWC won
>>748928576Tiz'm
>>748924839Good morning, sir
>>748937872>You is kind>You is smart>You is important
>>748924839Arcanum mogs every single JRPG ever written and I say that as a fluent Japanese speaker. Unfortunately it requires an extremely high IQ to understand so the illiterates on /v/ don't like it.
>>748948295>25 year old gamek
>>748924578Might download Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 emulator and replay it. It's been quite a while since my last playthrough, but I played the shit out of it back when I still had a physical copy. I think I had 3-4 completed save files. That's just how much fun I had playing it and then doing a NG+ on it. It's still my favorite Tales Of game to this day. Symphonia was good, but Abyss was 10x better imo. I keep thinking eventually down the road in the future we'll get a Tales of Abyss remake, honestly Bandai Namco could start remaking all the Tales Of games and probably make a fortune. They could start with the older ones and work their way up to Symphonia, Legendia, and Abyss. That would sustain them for years if they just did that. Instead, we got a fucking Tales of Xillia, Tales of Berseria, and Tales of Graces remaster, like don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Tales of Graces and Tales of Xillia, but not like I did Tales of the Abyss. Tales of Xillia II was was way better than the first one anyway. They chose fucking Beseria, Xillia and Graces to remaster. I figured they'd pick one of the PS2 games next, but at that point it'd be more of a remake than a remaster and god knows what it would look like in modern day visuals/art style. It obviously wouldn't have the SOUL that Tales of the Abyss and Tales of Symphonia had.
>>748924578This scene is too iconic
>>748930459>JRPGs are designed to appeal to spergs.Yes, Japanese media in general is much more asperger friendly compared to western media and the norms that has. There's much less focus on catty drama, quipping and judging people to try to make yourself look cool, which is default normalfag behavior, in favor of frequent monologues and attempts to reach out and understand others, which autistic introverts are going to prefer.>>748931225>>748937330>Unless you genuinely believe the entire nation is autistic which would make your point even more laughable.I seriously suspect that something like this is true. Not that a huge number Japs are actually diagnosable spergs, but that Japanese people at least tend to be much more introverted and reflective compared to Americans and have a culture that, because of this, naturally appeals to autists much more.
>>748924578Obsession with realism and maturity with an aversion to complex emotions.The first two are obvious, but think about it. When was the last time you saw a bittersweet ending in western media?Most movies either have rocks fall everyone dies or and then everyone lived happily ever after, yet it seems like you can't go 10 eastern works without stumbling over a bittersweet ending. They know how to use complex emotions to tell a good story. Some western works know how to as well, and they are typically the ones that are standouts, stories that are still fondly remembered today because they were a piece of media that actually made you think and feel something different.
>>748924578If they so easily blow them out the water then name the 10 best JRPG narratives that western games can't touch.
>>748924578Still one of the peakest moments in gaming. Praying for some non botched sequel or remake.
>>748924578JRPGs writing appeal only to teenagers and mentally stunned adults
>>748924839>Every single non white author of note was from 600 years ago
>>748936112You forgot the oji-san character you joins the party later and acts as a mentor to the group.
>>748948295its very good and underappreciated for sure but one game in a sea of vapid nonsense is not nearly enough to tip the scales
