I feel like there should've been way more games with BN's gameplay. All I know is that one touhou game and that's it. It's a shame
>>748934581I remember renting one of these for the gameboy as a kid. I got filtered on a puzzle I think and never finished it. Gameplay was fun. Are these games worth playing as an adult?
>>748934889Yeah.
There's one BN clone on steam with a future release date. I can't look at my wishlist right now but I'm sure there will be threads about it whenever it releases. Almost certainly not in the next 2 months though.
I feel like you need to come up with a way to evolve it and do something more with it, make it feel less stiff etc.
>>748934889Stories are kinda childish (aimed at a 10-12 year old target demographic), but the gameplay is straight fire. Worth playing.
There are a few that roughly ape it but because of the monkey's paw they're all roguelikes.
>>748934581You need more than the gameplay to really tie it together.See: OSFE
>that one touhou gameShanghai:EXE: Genso Network and to this day it's probably the best one. Which is fitting because Touhou fangames always end up being some of the best fangames made for any series for some reason
>>748934581one step from eden and the sequel are all I know. Weirdly enough, not even Capcom is doing it. You'd think they'd keep milking it since it's relatively low effort and sold well enough, but they just let it die for some reason.
>>748934889They are awesome.
>>748934889Perchance.
>>748934581>there should've been way more games with BN's gameplaypeople tried copying it and it was shit for the most part
>>748936469>>748939845Just why do they keep fumbling the basics? It can't be that hard!
This one seems solid enough.
>>748934581There are, and they are all mediocre at best. Without the overworld exploration to serve as a break between battles, it becomes tiring quickly, and that is something none of the copycats understand.
>>748939973This.Also the navicust and its effects add a lot to the game, but that's literally patented so no one can use it.
>>748939949That looks slow as fuck
>>748934581like making it more action oriented like TV Tome Adventure?
>>748939949>OSFE style spritesGross
>>748934581I wanted to make one but depression stopped me halfway through.
>>748939949as long as it's not another rogueli*eone one step from eden was enough
>>748942678>TV Tomemy nigga
>>748934581>Pick up Card-En-Ciel>Movement is turn-limited and tied to cards>It's a roguelikeStill a good game, but not the BN spiritual successor I thought it was
>>748934889Battle system is fantastic and a ton of fun, but the games are bogged down by pretty much everything else. Hope you like padding and backtracking and backtracking and padding.
>>748945931atleast it has kanna and her melons
>>748945931I don't understand why people keep bringing up this game in BN threads. CnC is anything but an MMBN clone. It's a fucking Slay the Spire clone at its core, just shoved onto a 3x3 grid. You can't even customize your deck on the fly or move freely in combat, and the card effects bloated into Yugioh tier paragraph complexity that require at least 30 hours of play just to memorize how everything functions. BN's combat format is literally nothing like that. Then again, calling CnC a StS clone pisses off the StS autists for whatever reason. They refuse to accept this weeb shit shares the exact same core mechanical loop, except it does do better and has way more depth.
>>748934581This, but for a hentai game. There's huge potential for that concept around that genre.
>>748950407Oh egads.
>>748950407Fuck off gooner, god you faggots are a pestilence on this board.
>>748950407PVP would be interesting.
>>748934581Indie fags just copy the battles and never the actual interesting part which was the RPG elements, no slapping roguelite garbage onto it doesn't count. Exploring the world and having a story with characters you gave a shit about was the important part.
>>748951576It's not just about the rpg elements, indie games usually lack of creative encounter design that actually forces you to adapt. MMBN excelled because its bosses had unique, distinct gimmicks. Look at BubbleMan, DrillMan, or DesertMan. They disrupted the grid forced you to completely rethink your positioning and demanded specific deck synergy if you were actually aiming for an S rank with whatever chips you had. That's what genuine mechanical depth looks like.That's precisely where a game like One Step From Eden falls flat. Its boss design might be fine by raw action standards but at its core it just devolves into a twitch-reflex dodge fest and pattern memorization test. It never encourages you to build a deck tailored to exploit a specific boss's mechanics or elemental weakness. And even if you wanted to, the inherent randomness of its roguelike structure makes building a tight specialized counter-deck almost impossible on any given run.
>>748952052>MMBN excelled because its bosses had unique, distinct gimmicks>Look at BubbleMan, DrillMan, or DesertManSeriously.
>>748952202Feel free to use your own examples if mine aren't making it clear.
>>748939949Can they really just get away with this? Isn't the custom system of BN patented or something?
>>748936469Osfe is hot dogshit and not a good gameA run dying because you didnt get the right chips is retarded
>>748952513the patents expired in 2022 iirc
>>748945931>that succubus Ayo, is there more hot babes?
Help me.
>>748939949>>748952513Oh shit, a cool gam->rogueshiteBut even worse:>unreleasedEvery time.>>748952665The fuck is that logo?
>game idea: cool>execution: baby mode
Eh, most the franchise is overrated, but the porns good
>>748934581One Step from Eden and Duelists of EdenYou're welcome
>>748955683Kang should've made an actual Battle Network-style RPG instead of a PvP version.
>>748955965I agree. Duelists of Eden also really should've just been an update to One Step from Eden. Still both really solid games though.
>>748955683>not round based>deck building is just thinning your deck out as much as possible for a singular powerful combono, if a game isn't round based where you select cards/chips before the next round starts then it's not bn
>>748956107Eh, agree to disagree. It's the only good BN style game I've played, it doesn't have to be identical in every way.
>>748956062tobyfair osfe was coded in a way that didnt allow true online multiplayer
I've been playing that vibe coded rougelike mod for the last couple days nonstop. It's fulfilling an itch I didn't know I had. I bought the collection but didn't really feel like playing through the games for a third time.
>>748952052What made the BN games exciting for me was the heavier emphasis on story, the deck building was alright, but as a kid I just stuck whatever seemed cool in the deck.
There's One Step from Eden but the rest of the game doesn't feed into that kind of game (it's just a rougelite).
>>748956869>I've been playing that vibe coded rougelike modlook cool, that github page is insufferable to read through though
>>748939949Every clone has something wrong with it. Just play MMBN.
>>748944465The aspie who made that thing on NG is so off putting.
>>748945931>but not the BN spiritual successor I thought it wasIt was pretty upfront about that there was also a demo
>>748954821>*TELEPORTS BEHIND YOU*>Yare yare daze...>NANI????>*shield activates*KINO
JRPGs with legitimate fun and skill based gameplay are forever going to be a niche, because the audience just wants number go up.
>>748934581Battle Network isn't very good though. Crapcom themselves hit the upper limits of what the battle system can do early in each game. The moment you start seeing auras appear, that's the exact moment you're playing a shitty game.Crapcom had this boner for aura/absolute defense a lot in the 2000s for some damn reason, probably because they kept making shallow-ass game systems that couldn't last for a full-length game and needed a bandaid.
>>748958420>Battle Network isn't very good though.It is
>>748958457It is indeed not very good. Glad you and I agree.
>>748954821"Not the bees!"
Radiant Historia kinda had this type of grid system although I don't think you could move during that game, only set positions before the fight. Also Unicorn Overlord but you don't really fight in that one
