What went wrong?
>>748953703Not made by Jap devs.
It's not as good as 1 but it's still very fun. Although there's no reason to play 2 these days over Off The Record.
It's a good game and we know it's a good game because people suddenly decided it was good when they changed the player character back to being Frank West.
so....can i do anything with the little girl he's carrying?
How come nobody mention that his hand is on her butt?
>>748953703Shitty bland protagonist and the tone is too comedic
>>748955163Off the Record is worse thoughever?>survivor AI made dumber >introduces damage cooldown to boss fights not designed for it>starts Frank's Flanderization
>>748953703It was pretty great actually. They chickened out on rotating protags and made Frank the face of franchise.
>>748955572>>starts Frank's FlanderizationPretty sure that started right from the beginning of the first game.
ENDLESS NIGHTLONG FOR LIGHT
>>748955679How long has it been since you played DR1? Frank has a clear arc in that game. He starts off as the cocky journo that cares only for his big scoop, yet when shit hits the fan you as the player are encouraged to actually go out there and do some good. While the Homeland Security agents sit on their butts in the Security Room you're actually risking your life saving survivors. Kent exists precisely to be a mirror to Frank, to show players what an *actual* shithead journo that doesn't care about anything but the perfect shot is like. By the time Carlito dies, Frank shows him scorn for what he did in Willamette yet at the same time tells him that the story of Santa Cabeza *will* be told, that the injusticies of the government will come to light, same thing he confronts Brock about. The Frank that screams at the end on top of the tank is a different man from the Frank that jumps off the helicopter three days prior. An earnest dude fighting for the truth. But nah, fuck it, turn him into Deadpool. Make him spout retarded one-liners to every character he meets, make him state he's covered wars you know for the nth time. What culminated in DR4 started in OtR.
>>748956059Instead of rescuing survivors Frank stops to put on a dress and admires how hot he looks in it and then takes photos of zombie tits exclaiming "NICE!" every time he does so. He was always a ridiculous character.
>>748953703Case Zero had better tone and closer to 1, going full fantastical with TIR never sat right with me. 2 feels more "Americanized" even when yes, I know it was made by Canadians. It kinda reminds me of The Evil Within 2 compared with the first one.
>>748956161(1/2)But you see, that's the big difference between 1 and the rest. You straight up realized. I call it "the Saints Row effect": any mostly serious game with silly elements which becomes a franchise, is at risk of the silly overriding the serious. It's an addiction. It's an infection. It's a byproduct of the need to escalate and a misunderstanding that since people like the silly stuff, we got to chuck out the balance and go all in on the wacky, leaving said silly stuff rudderless and unimpactful. Dead Rising 1 left the silliness to the gameplay, with the narrative taking itself wholly serious. There was a disconnect that worked in the game's favor between the mechanical ability of dressing Frank up in silly clothes and the narrative direction of still taking its world as serious as life itself. Brad's optional death scene, Jessie turning, the arrival of the Spec Ops, the final cutscene, you can play them all with a Servbot Mask equipped but the game doesn't stop to laugh alongside you.Frank West was an average guy in a horrible situation who, despite clearly being out of his element and unprepared, rose to the occasion and survived through his own adaptability. On the way, what started as journalism for the sake of a paycheck became the uncovering of a terrorist plot and government conspiracy, and he instead was fighting to bring justice to those who'd escaped it. He formed bonds with the people he was surviving with, and it hurt him when he lost those people. You felt it, too. Sometimes he'd drop a line of dry sarcasm here or there, but nothing over the top. In The Killing Hour, OtR, Watchtower, 4, basically any medium after the original game, Frank is made out to be this badass killing machine, overconfident and theatrical, dropping cheesy one-liners left and right.
>>748956161(2/2)Again, in 1, as Carlito is dying, Frank makes it clear that he knows that what happened in Santa Cabeza was truly evil, and that as a journalist, he *will* make the true story known to the public. And although he says that the incident does not justify what Carlito did in retaliation, he expresses sympathy and that all Carlito truly cared about was Isabela. He doesn't crack a smile the entire time. Compare it to OtR where Frank fights a woman in a catsuit on top of a giant mech, they fall off, she gets crushed to death and he makes TWO puns one after the other. During the lead-up to the battle while she gives her villain speech he sits down on a bench and mocks her the whole time. He takes it 0% seriously. It plays out like fucking Austin Powers.It's clear that despite Capcom's desire to move forward with other characters and tell different stories, the fans kept going back to Frank. So Capcom did too, referencing him all the time, making DLC, then a spin-off game, THEN a standalone game starring Frank. The problem was that they brought back the person, but not the character. Not even close.
>No free roaming mode>No offline Terror is Reality mode>Entire area barred off and exclusive to Off the Record because they apparently didn't had time, but then they didn't bothered to add it and kept it as an Off the Record exclusive>Case Zero and Case West forever stuck to be played only in some old fags Xbox360 hard drive or having it on an emulator>You can only play cards with survivors in two quests, there is jo other way to play cards
>>748955016>>748953703Which is why it was better
>>748957641>No free roaming modeUse a trainer to freeze the timer.>No offline Terror is Reality modeNever got to play it myself, but at least you can get the multiplayer unlockables via https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2999154366>Case Zero and Case West forever stuck on Xbox360 or emulatorENTERhttps://github.com/wivi514/Dead_Rising_2_Case_Zero_Xenon_Recomphttps://github.com/wivi514/Dead_Rising_2_Case_West_Xenon_Recomp
>>7489537032 feels off if played immediately after 1. For starters Chuck's movement feels more sluggish, like he wasn't made for navigating around zombies. His unlockable skills pale compared to Frank's too. Story is weaker, and the sense of eeriness present at points in 1 is gone. I was never crazy about Combo Weapons either, as the series went on the whole "everything you grab can be a weapon" went out the window 'cause everyday items became pointless, comparatively weak and not fun to experiment with because of it when you could just run around with boxing glove knives or a fucking lightsaber. The map, although an improvement in verticality, relies too much on casinos to the point it's kind of boring to navigate through and Royal Flush Plaza is just too big and linear as the area closest to the safehouse compared with Paradise Plaza which felt like the ultimate hub area for the kind of games DR are, with a myriad of always useful entrances and an ever evolving threat as the days go by. And escorting survivors, well, they overcorrected so now it feels like you're running around with a small army of personal bodyguards instead of victims scared shitless of the rotting corpses surrounding them.
why the fuck is Chuck's render posed exactly like George Floyd?
>>748955572>>starts Frank's FlanderizationThe reveal trailer makes it clear OTR is Frank's imagination. It's not what would happen if Frank was there, it's what Frank imagine's would happen if he was there, thus quippy action man. He's fine in Case West.
>>748958805The 'Captivate' trailer? I always felt Frank's narration in it is how Off the Record should've started, just to drive the point home. Even now you've got people unironically wishing OtR was the canon verison of events just because Frank's the MC in it, not realizing it paradoxically makes him out of character semi on purpose akin to John in Undead Nightmare being more tongue in cheek. The issue remains though, that people that came later unironically saw DR1 Frank and OtR Frank as indistinguishable from one another and a natural evolution of the character. Which lead to Hank East.
>>748953703>crying child on coverYuck
>>748953703Too easy. Got 100% in one go and never touched it again.The plot was lame.
>>748959873>not feeling the masculi urge to protect a little girl against a horde of monstersNGMIIt's interesting how Chuck was one of the first videogame dads that became so prevalent over the next decade in gaming. Ethan Mars, Joel, Booker, Geralt, Corvo, Sebastian, nu!Kratos etc. eat your heart out.
>>748953703They killed the best girl like usual
>be Dead Rising 2>add Frank as an NPC in Case West (coop doesn't count)>add his outfit from the first game in the DLC>all is fine in the world>release a new version of your base game with Frank as the protagonist>...>...>don't add said costume that already fucking exists, into the game it'd make the most sense for it to existWhat did Capcom Vancouver mean by this.https://deadrising.fandom.com/wiki/Journalist_Suit
>>748958353Anon, Im glad that there is the option now thanks to several autists that in spite of everything managed to figure thinks out and share it.I just think it's garbage that this wasn't the default to begin with, and had to resort to this thing.
>>748953703Nothing? That was a good game. No?
>>748962971Sequels nowadays wish they had DR2's quality, yes. It's good. It's just that DR1 had that je ne sais quoi that sti makes it a bit better, so it's a shame this 20yo franchise peaked with the 20yo game.
>>748953703Is that Chuck Greene with Katey Zombrex?
>>748963983> je ne sais quoi it's all greek to me madame
>>748958805>The reveal trailer makes it clear OTR is Frank's imagination. It's not what would happen if Frank was there, it's what Frank imagine's would happen if he was thereThat was just the trailer being goofy.The devs confirmed in the now gone old Capcom forums that Dead Rising 2 and OTR work as 2 different routes. The route in DR2 continues in more sequels while the one in OTR ends the story there completely.DR1 is the only canon game though. The others are official fan-fiction made by different people.
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>>748953703nothing, fun times especially in co-op
>>748953703Doing a fresh game, save all survivors was incredibly fun.Removing the time limit destroyed the series.
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>>748955572>>survivor AI made dumberHow? Why?
The only thing that went wrong with it is the fact that the ports kind of suck. Especially for OTR.
>>748967760>How?Reduced health pools, get grabbed by zombies more easily, and zombies by default are more aggresive than in DR2.>Why?In DR2 you could tell an unarmed survivor to follow you and go on to completely ignore them as you ran forward and they'd get to the safehouse safe and sound without worry.
>take normal dude with normal jeans>give him a motocross jacket>create an instantly iconic designSay what you will about Frank v Chuck but visually, they're both distinct and easily recognizable.
How would you save Dead Rising, anon?>Hard Mode: no demasters>Extreme Mode: must acknowledge DR4
>>748957641>No free roaming modeIt does have this (obviously not as in-depth as DR1/OTR of course), you can just ignore the story cases and fuck around until the military arrives>No offline Terror is Reality modeThis doesn’t bother so much as the fact there’s exclusive CO-Op/online achievements for it that are now impossible to get if you don’t have have a buddy willing to grind them out with you>Entire area barred off and exclusive to Off the Record because they apparently didn't had time, but then they didn't bothered to add it and kept it as an Off the Record exclusiveAre you referring to rereleases of vanilla DR2 post OTR? In that case I completely agree, really lame they never added UZ properly>Case Zero and Case West forever stuck to be played only in some old fags Xbox360 hard drive or having it on an emulatorNo argument here, fuck Microsoft for cutting X360 support and fuck Capcom for not rereleasing a “complete” version of DR2 with Case Zero/West integrated as mini-campaigns>You can only play cards with survivors in two quests, there is to other way to play cardsDon’t forget one of those quests is completely unmarked and very easily missable if you’re not running through Atlantica right when it triggers
>>748969763Game is set on an entire city or a town where you're free to roam in, all or most buildings can be entered, looted, barricaded with some building elements, various vehicles availableNo respawning zombies, just a whole lot of them and more difficult to kill, not in an arcadey HP bar depletion way, but more realistic limb based damage, dismemberment, destroying the brain etc.Weapons have realistic durability, they can bend and get misshapen, changing their hitbox / damageThere's randomly hazmat zombies that have zombrex with them, but these zombies are finite, so you have to complete the game before you run out and turnLots of survivors to save and you can have them gather resources for you once you've established a safe houseThree ways to win the game, either kill every zombie and psycho in the city/town, a questline to find a cure, or a questline to get an escape vehicle and leave the town/city
>>748966269Looks like epstein
>>748969763Unrelated to the question but I’d love a spiritual successor to Dead Rising, only instead of zombies it’s living art exhibits like Night At The Museum.Survivors are friendly exhibits and statues of good-aligned people/characters that don’t want any trouble and just want to exist, and Psychopaths are hostile exhibits, statues of evil-aligned people/characters or simply exhibits/statues having a rough time coming to grips with suddenly being alive for whatever reason
>>748969763I'll easily take Hard Mode because fuck remakes and remasters, but I'll pass on Extreme Mode, or rather the acknowledgement would probably just be making DR4 an in-universe shitty movie that bombed.Anyway making a new Dead Rising is harder narratively because DR3 established a cure to the virus. DR4 tried to sidestep the issue by establishing a new strain, which would've worked I guess had the game not been liquid dogshit. A new game should take place in a semi-isolated location similar to Still Creek, somewhere where the idea the outbreak goes unnoticed for several days and there is no cure to be administered at the ready is believable. I would even not mind the game being set in Central America, some random town with a secret military complex underneath it or something, close to the border but with enough of a reason for the American government to not want to shell out the cure, even if I believe at its core Dead Rising is a franchise about the American government, from its consumering in 2 to its pharmaceutical industry in 2 and immigration/surveillance of 3. Or hell, what about an airport? As distinct a location as a mall or casino, with plenty of restaurants and stores to make use of.Also I'd be controversial and make it so Combo Weapons do not return. A big part of 1 working as well as it does is the fact everything you pick up does serve a purpose in itself and not to holf on to for 10 minutes so you can then duct tape it to the end of some mop to create the Zombie Killer 9000. They had to write both Chuck and Nick as mechanics to explain away why they thought attaching a battery to a wheelchair was a good idea. Off the Record could get away with it not being canon, and by DR3's DLCs/DR4 they gave up and apparently any random schmuck in the DR universe learned the inherent knowledge to create Fallout-style weapons after September 2006.
>>748969763Make a short epilogue that ignores the sequels and has Frank stop Carlito's orphans plan and fully bringing the government to justice.Then reboot the series and make every single game a self contained story each on its own world allowing full creativity without being constrained by the story of past games.
>>748953703Dead rising is kusoge
We're never getting a new (good) Dead Rising, because it's a franchise where what made it good inherently filters players, and any attempt to replicate it will inevitably hit this insurmountable hurdle. If it filtered people twenty years ago, can you imagine the butthurt in the Twitter era of "I like games like Wolverine because I'm a dad and I'm too tired to put any effort into the hobby I supposedly like, now please dumb shit down solely for my tastes"? A new DR game would be called "dated", "inconvenient", "frustrating" and other such terms, without understanding that it's an arcade-style game that's designed for multiple playthroughs. Frank's base stats improve significantly at the same time as your own mastery of the game improves as you learn how to navigate the mall and the time limit alongside it. The demaster already proved any "rough edges" will inevitably be sanded down during development, leaving nothing but a mediocre zombie musou game that never stresses out or inconveniences players. DRDR featured faster default speed, faster leveling, more photography scoring, more capable survivors, pic related handholding, a fucking trigger warning at the start of the game, so on and so forth. And thankfully people didn't eat it up, but you just know that the only thing DR5 needs to fool people is to be better than DR4, which isn't a high fucking bar.
>>748971814>Central America, some random town with a secret military complex underneath it or something, close to the border but with enough of a reason for the American government to not want to shell out the cureWhile I normally despise prequels, in this case I wouldn’t actually mind one for a new DR where you survive the very first outbreak in Santa Cabeza created by Dr. Barnaby’s food supply experiments as Carlito and Isabella.Ending S has both of them and the orphans narrowly escaping the town as the only survivors with an post-credits scene showing Carlito additionally smuggled out a Queen to start his own outbreaks using the orphans.
The only thing that could even remotely save DR5 is the knowledge that it'd be the first game since the first one to be made in-house by Japanese devs. Even the remake was outsourced to NeoBards, a Chinese company that made such beloved games as RE Resistance, Re:Verse and Silent Hill ƒ.
>Page 10It's over...
>>748955226That's his daughter. I am sure he changed her diapers.
>>748963983>20yo franchiseNo... FUCKIt can't be
>>748968846>In DR2 you could tell an unarmed survivor to follow you and go on to completely ignore them as you ran forward and they'd get to the safehouse safe and sound without worry.And you consider that a good thing? Why would a fat dummy of a Vegas tourist be that capable? Why would they even need you to "save" them in that case? Might as well be like 3 where you just talk to them and they fuck off on their own.
>>748953703I want a daughter so bad bros, it is a shame they are locked behind the "impress a woman" achievement. Something about them is so elegant and beautiful though and I'd love to make the lives of some super happy.
>>748971171Sounds like one of the 500 zombie survival games you could find on steam right now.
>>748974965Dead Rising 1 came out nine months after the 360's launch and three months before the PS3 was out
>>748953703DR2 is the best in the series, hands down
>>748975121Anon asked why they changed it, nowhere in that post does it state my preference fag.
>>748953703>know that you can never top the first game>take a risk and make the sequel it's own thing with a different toneI respect it, and it's not even a bad game imo
DAMN, Katey looks like THAT?!
>>748953703Chuck's cuck 'n' cantastic.Formerly Frank's.
>>748976409except those games are trash and dr2 delivers on everything
>>748953703I'm honestly surprised it turned out as good as it did. Obviously it's nowhere near as good as 1 but it was a really respectable attempt for western dev standards.
Behold: the perfect location for a new Dead Rising game. Think about it.>obvious excuse to be isolated from the rest of the world and have no one to rescue you until several days go by>a literal floating city with casinos, malls, amusement parks, hotels, bars, gyms, supermarkets, book stores, you name it>loads of verticality and multiple access between floors both inside and outsideTell me it wouldn't be beyond kino.
>>748978452Nick is such a lucky guy...
TACK BACK YOUR FUTURE
Should I get the original Dead Rising 1 or the remaster?
>>748984119Original.
>>748984119https://youtu.be/31LpUdgIjDU?t=39
>>748972172Games used to be a thing you learn, now they're a mindless timewaster for cattle after they've exhausted themselves from slavework and have just barely enough energy left to do something other than watch movies until they pass out.
So uhhh why did they decide to make Case West follow from Ending A instead of Ending S and Overtime? Kinda weird innit.
Off The Record felt like a better sequel to DR1 despite him being a bit cheesier.
>>748957641>>Case Zero and Case West forever stuck to be played only in some old fags Xbox360you can play it on xbox one and series if you own them, i did play case zero not long ago and there is a new very big downside with that game>save and unlocks don't transfer to the new re release and the og 360 game isn't backwards compatible.
>>748986853Specially after they literally said that ending S was the canon ending.Though in ending A there were more zombies in the elevator rather than only T.K so maybe T.K turned into a zombie after beating him and ended up there after ending S.
>>748972172I don't know if it was meant to be a joke of the yellow paint bullshit, but it ends up appearing again pointing in the opposite direction. Doesn't seem very helpful.
>>748984209too slutty and tits too jiggly, her charm and sexiness is being the kind of girl that is a stuck up lady on public but a slut on the bed.
>>748987395You can at least somewhat simulate the save import on PC by giving you 80k PP via a trainer, equiva to being Level 5, which was Case Zero's max level and what you could start DR2 as if you imported your save. The Combo Cards don't matter much because you can still create the weapons without them and the difference between them and Scratch Cards is ultimately negligible, so all you miss out on is CZ's unique clothes, which would matter if for some bizarre reason the most iconic shirt from the demo, the default orange one, wasn't part of the import.
>gets saved three different times>fucking dies instantly
>>748988337At least she lives in Off The Record.
>>748987224>felt like a better sequel to DR1It's literally the same plot.
>>748987874I want to see a game that uses all of these bad developer stereotypes subversively>yellow paint leading nowhere or to traps/danger>character constantly saying shit like "hmmm maybe I should use this item here" and it doesn't work or breaks the item and you have to go back and get another one>cracks in breakable walls leading to a second normal wall>long expository dialogue segments but the NPC's are schizophrenic and just making shit up with no payoff later>weapon/armor stats are just straight up wrong and you have to figure it out yourself
>>748988752>Same plot>Overall improvements to core gameplay of 1 and 2>Tweaks certain things like falling off edges/jumping>Additional areas >Sandbox Mode>Challenge/race mode
>>748989174>overall improvements to core gameplay of 1 and 2Anon...
I like how the first and second games have soundtracks that make them stand out from each other. So you go fromhttps://youtu.be/bVyzWFBw9UAtohttps://youtu.be/GdH2Xy0rj7s?t=124
>>748956773Such fucking good characterization and writing completely overlooked by absolute fucktards.>Frank: You're finished, it's over.>Carlito: What about Isabela?His plan has completely crumbled, he's facing the man that ruined his lifelong plan, he's fucking dying, and his main concern is still Isabela. Says so much about his character without actually spelling it out to you. The story in this is unironically some of the most kino shit in vidya and barely anybody noticed until it was far far too late.
>>748953703nothing2 > 1chuck > frank1 and frank are good too. 2 was better
>>748992304>barely anybody noticed until it was far far too late
why can i do this in pragmata? wrong crapcom game?
>>748993010It was a different time without jungle gym astronaut suits. Now we are better and don't need to palm our backpack lolis.
