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>>748957457

You can call them trans-laters, because once you have real translators, the “localizers” eventually kill themselves.

The notion that patriarchal religions supplanted muh matriarchal mother goddess is a very common notion in witch cults and shit.

>>748957468
well, is lilith wrong here?

>>748957457
>>748957468
>"Lilith"
>has stakes in the gender agenda
I'm nooticing
Why is it always those names

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>>748957601
It's not localizers.

Literally the whole story is about Lilith being such a radical liberal she advocates for anarchy and the destruction of the entire current world order.

And you can side with her.

>>748957679
Why can’t they just use magic to get back into power then
just cast some spells lol

>>748957756
She sounds like a cunt, so I’d rather not. Best of luck to her, though.

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>>748957457
For whatever reason, Lilith (an ancient Jewish demoness) was co-opted by the feminism movement and unironically became one of their icons.

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But that's literally the way it went.
Lilith was made from the mud, just like Adam was, turning out too independent and demanding, refusing to have sex with him and all. So God decided to make Eve from Adam's rib instead.
Of course this is a tale that got added way after the initial adaptations of Eden, and for how it was written and Lilith portrayed, obviously it was a jab at women of the time.
So you can imagine that women bitching about equality been a thing since forever. And the response to that been always the same: Y'all fucking crazy bitches

>>748958017
We know you didn't play SMT1 no need to tell us broski.

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Bring back the days of fatlus and the only people talking about these games being super loser nerds.
Please...

>>748958080
Yuriko? The NTR heroine? The "I feel cucked by the vanilla heroine, so let me cuck you instead with your chud friend"? That SMT1 Lilith?
Yes, she's the best one, what about her?

>>748957468
>believing a demon
Kek

>>748957703
Lilith predated Christianity. People adopt the name out of spite for the right wing Christian men who were abusive to them.

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>>748958176
>chud friend
oh god, it really is him

>>748957457
>>748957468
Well, wheres the lie?
Patriarchy is cringe

>>748958176
Broski she literally and unironically gives up her life and everything for the male MC, including a pot with Belial. The fuck is your other post even about?

>>748958281
people still fall for the lie from the snake?
>from the ribcage of Adam was Eve born: to serve Adam as he found no equal in the animals.
Adam had it all and the bitch had to ruin it. oldest case of "bitches only bring problems." recorded opinion in history: Genesis.

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>>748958290
Doesn't change she threw a fit for nothing. For imagine feeling cucked by this lmao
>The fuck is your other post even about?
The actual Jewish source for Lilith?

>>748958290
He doesn't even know what he is posting about just typical "i watched" behavior.

>>748958492
Figures

>>748958390
>people still fall for the lie from the snake
Yeah, it's a right wing myth with zero basis in reality.

Trump and Hesgeth didn't need any heckin foid to be incompetent and corrupt.

>>748958631
>Its a democrat.
your IQ is dropping by the minute, your three jobs as a woman:
>a cleaning machine.
>a microwave oven.
>a talking & walking incubator.
not a politics debater.

>>748958117
We need a time machine to prevent Persona from existing, for starters.

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>>748958693
You're in zero position to talk about anyone's IQ if you vote for corrupt pedophiles who wreck the economy and raise gas prices.

>>748958764
don't give a shit, they are delivering pure american kino and leftist seethe. get back into the kitchen hoe.

>>748957457
>>748957468
Eve was literally only created from the rib to replace Lilith in the version that contains her, this is 100% accurate
Getting the idea in her head that she shouldn't have to be subservient to Adam is why she's now a demon

Americans and their worldviews are a blight upon this earth

I just realized, they haven't really confirmed romances in P4R yet...

>>748958903
women's liberation was what led to the disaster that is neo-liberalism oh and Trump is backing all the right people in European politics. suck to suck bitch.

Biblethumpers, help clarify some shit for me.
What exactly is Satan? Stuff like his conversation with God about Job and his test with Jesus makes it seem like he's free to come and go as he pleases, even still getting a direct audience with God whenever he wants. It kind of makes it sound like he's still working directly under God's authority like any other angel would. It's just that his job's a bit bizarre compared to every other angel's.
On the other hand, there's the standard view that he's a fallen angel and that he is responsible for evil, actively working against God. He's trapped in hell, forever distanced from God's glory and mercy.

>>748957457
Lilith was a fanficion of feminist jews' and even the matrilineal people the jews are view it as non-canon btw

>>748958843
so God was sexist

>>748959020
Yeah, so?

>>748959051
No wonder religions suck

>>748958843
>>748958017
This is a SMT thread, post SMT stuff. I don't care about /pol/ shit
>"b-but muh irl inspirations"
fuck
off

>>748959095
But OP is /pol/ shit...

>>748957457
>>748957468
Feel bad ranjeet. Also imagine caring what some blue haired troon wrote. It's not a "woke" thing. The japs find all religon facinating and cool to steal from

>>748959095
That is her backstory within SMTVV you abject retard

>>748958961
Satan in Job is the only time its mentioned its basically the opposite of holy spirit that makes you doubt God. Satan is basically allowed to roam free and test God's faithful. The English translation uses "Satan" for various deities that are not "Satan" in its own sense but are of old pagan middle eastern deities instead. The bullhead image is from the Canaanite god Molech for example. "Satan" means the "Accuser" as a title or "Anti-God" force in the spiritual world. Only place "fallen angel" is mentioned is about Lucifer (light + bring) which is not Satan, they are two different beings. Some of the higher forms of Angels have physical presence in the wandering stars as their "Intelligences." (this is further dwelled into by occultists in fact most of the time like Agrippa as a source for power.)

>>748959020
>so God doesn't conform to my specific version of modern secular morality?
no shit retard

>>748959076
Sexism is objectively good and nothing at all has improved since it started being villified.

>>748959168
almost forgot "Fallen Angels" were the ones who brought about Giants (genesis 6:4) and their offspring Nephilim which are basically angel-human hybrid bastards but that's another huge lore dump.

>>748957457
>men and women are EQUAL CHUD
>okay I pick the more subservient woman
>WHAT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED
>yes he can he is your equal
>FUCK YOU DAAAAAAAAD
>goes to fuck with animals to create monsters and murder children in seethe
>to this fucking day
Mind you this shit what jews thought as evil their time now our foids normalizing it

Agrat best Qadistu

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>>748959334
Because the same shit women are doing nowadays they were doing back then.
What? You thought the whole witchcraft shit was mere christian delusions? Look at them how happy they are with their tarot readings, and hex makings.
If its this ridiculous now imagine back in the day.

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>>748959095
>I deliberately made a thread which invites discourse I don't want now I have to have discourse I don't want how this could happen to me?!

>>748958961
>>748959168
From what I remember, Satan was added a bit later, and is essentially borrowed from Zoroastrianism (which is an ancient Persian/Iranian religion based on light/dark duality). the Jews spent some time there when exiled and liked the concept of two forces opposing each other. Satan is basically the Hebrew for "adversary".

>>748959334
bestiality and homosexuality under leviticus were killable offenses.

>>748959424
Yea, people who make threads with shitpost bait OPs deserve everything they get

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>>748957457
Extremely.

>>748959426
they also translated bunch of references to "hell" that weren't the same place mythology wise (sheol, tartarus, abyss & gehenna.)

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>>748959095
what a clueless faggot you are lol

>>748957457
The bible is woke?

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>>748959537
its all the same shit you dumb ass. a realm where lower entities further from Gods light exist or are banished to.

>>748957457
Lilith was the original feminist.

If lilith was the og feminist, who was the og chud?

>>748958961
Satan mean “the adversary” or the “opposer”

Modern culture paints satan as an evil figure in hell opposing Gods. Reaction because he’s bitter or whatever but that’s not scripturallu accurate.

Satan is an angel in heaven whose name is Samael. His name means poison of God and it’s his job to oppose God and tempt mankind to evil.

In actually scripture satan is not an evil being but an angel just doing what he was designed to do.

>>748959853
Cain was kinda chuddy

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Can Christians ITT answer this?

If demons are the "bad guys", how come they're much more diverse and free than angels? Angels are basically just God's slaves, so why would anyone reading the Bible want to side with angels and their control freak boss?

I mean I know why, indoctrination, if your parents are Christians you would just copy their beliefs from early childhood. But logically? It makes no sense.

>>748957897
>and a killer of newborns
Interesting

>>748959753
wrong its not the same at all, thanks for being uneducated:
>Sheol = Basically "Paradise" in greek myths where you rest as your final place after death. it can be either deadly boring or a VIP treatment if you are on good terms with God. (Abraham's Bosom.)
>Tartarus is where they lock demons into.
>Abyss is where Apollyon/Abaddon the Destroyer is reigning in. (This is the "Satan" figure when people are saying "Satan Rules In Hell.")
>Gehenna is basically where people are tossed into the lake of fire at for their final punishment.
do some reading prior shitposting next time. anons used to be more knowing of occult lore.

>>748958207
Who then become abusers themselves, using their own twisted religious doctrine as a cover.

The apples didn't fall far from the tree - the real problem is fanaticism.

>>748959980
I don't see why angels being slaves is my, a human's problem. Angels have to be nice to me, demons do not. I'll side with the guys who cannot choose to be dickheads to me even if they wanted to

>>748959980
No such things as demons. There are only angels. Those angels are manifested either positively or negatively the two forms which we categorize as good angels and evil demons but in reality there are only the angels carrying out the Lords will though both positive and negative polarity. An angel is responsible for bringing bountiful harvest and an angel is responsible for bringing drought.

demons are just angels wearing scary masks performing the task they were given.

Demons aren’t real. Those are angels playing pretend because they were ordered to.

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>>748959885
He's also the most based SMT character

>>748959980
"diverse and free." is not "they are actually the good guys." argument: Angels were made to serve man. Demons have to follow those with the divine authority and that's man - you can command over them due to your birthright granted by God. they are just spiritual programs the demons are just botched angels who rejected their post and rebelled against God's will.

>>748959980
Diverse like nigger filled paris? There are diverse cultures of "I steal, kill and rape for christ" "I steal, kill and rape for allah" "I steal, kill and rape because african spirits" "God save me from these people". Free by "I fucking kill everyone because fuck God?" Is that even freedom?

>>748959980
Freedom only started to be seen as an universal virtue after USA independence/France revolution made it their slogan.
There were many independence movements before, sure, but they did it under a pretense of "We just wanna be free from YOU", not as some declaration to general freedom.
Back in the day everybody accepted the idea of being subservient to something or someone else, with God being the top owner. The one even the kings are subservient to.
If anything freedom was seen as sinful and soul damaging. For what are you doing if not serving a "higher call"? But committing sins.

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>>748960204
HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

>>748957703
Because good Christian parents don't name their daughters "SHE-SATAN BRIDE OF ULTRADRACULA", dipshit.

>>748959980
Would you like a pleasent morning every day for eternity or the chance for a really great or really horrible morning every day

>>748959980
Christians tend to consider God to be the summum bonum, the ultimate good ontologically. The pre-modern understanding of what it meant to be free would not consider communion with Him to mean anything resembling control or limitation, but the fullest, most complete form of freedom which is total freedom from vice, the freedom to always choose the correct option.
Diversity and freedom in the sense you seem to mean only makes more sense from a secular liberal perspective.
Consult the first line of Anna Karenina:
>All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way

>>748959415
what manga is this from, i want context

>>748959980
>so why would anyone reading the Bible want to side with angels and their control freak boss?
One, the average person didn't "read the Bible". The ability to do so was actually gatekept. Two, because if they didn't say
>I renounce my false idols and rejoice in the word of Christ
then they'd get punished.

>>748957457
It's part of the mythology of lilith, you ignorant fuck.
Blame jews and their talmud.

>>748957897
same reason why satanists worship the literal icon of evil, spite

>>748960479
for once the world is saying:
>its never wrong to blame jews for everything.
and its never been more correct.

>>748960502
I think that one is more related to how he grants me dark powers

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>>748960286
>I love listening to my killer and doing what he says!
whatever you say, bro...

>>748960381
>the freedom to always choose the correct option
Isn't this a ridiculous statement? You're "free" to join me or burn in Hell for eternity/

>>748960573
>I'd rather listen to the guy who used me and my brother as pawns to fuck over the other gods.

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>>748958207
And the Jewish Lilith came from one of the many adaptations of Ishtar.
One needs to remember the Jewish faith wasn't some singular structured faith, it was divided by many sub-faiths that then meld with other faiths of the area and also competed with each other for dominance.
The version of Judaism/YHVH that "won" was unironically the chudiest one. For you had versions that gave him a wife, and that shared his godhood with other deities... But not this one.
This one was to be the SOLE TRUE GOD. Other deities? False icons. Demons, at best.
That's why the Old Testament portrays God as such a prick. Because on the jewish mindset they had to nail down any criticism or divergences.
A vengeful God who wont tolerate anything but absolute praise and submission towards him, and of course, his chosen people: The jews.

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>>748960002
you just complicate shit for no reason. once one starts seeing everything as archetypes you start understanding the root meaning and message behind symbols and myths which have been with humanity since the dawn of our existence. there literally is nothing new under the sun.
Litlith is the same as Sophia(the yang or dark side) which is also the same as Inanna, Isis, Ishtar, Aphrodite and mostly important relating to todays time, the black Madonna. the number one idol worshipped by the catholic church, and when you see this it makes sense why the catholic church is full of Mesopotamian symbols such as the fish hat the pope wears and them wearing the colors of the whore of babylon, red and purple adorned with gold.

>>748960525
They're saying it because that too is part of the script.

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>>748960398
>he doesn't know about Kingdom

>>748960706
I did not complicate shit for no reason you are "overt-abstracting." and confusing things just like how trannies are confusing genders as fluid concepts just because genders are enforced by society. (men should do x, women should do y.) get it?

>>748960549
maybe historically, but modern satanists seem to worship him as some "bringer of freedom" to spite God because they think he's oppressive and evil, ignoring the literally endless acts of malevolence and the current state of the world that are attributed to Satan
you can argue all you want about God being complicit but they're AT LEAST both responsible

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>>748960790
okay faggot.
also, this statement by Mara is so ridiculously based fr.

>>748960859
>Penishead demon.
kek.

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>>748960859
> ridiculously based
actually the game as a whole is based af. I mean the game starts out with this quote

>>748960884
He's not even meant to be just a giant cock but his name means cock to them so he's been locked into that form forever

>>748960706
All myths, ideas, cultures, icons, have their root origins on our actual history and biology
Look at how often civilizations portrayed the chaotic primordial world being ruled/birth/represented by a Mother Goddess. Who then had to be brought down by a chief male God who culled the rawness of the old world, and crafted civilization on top.
It was an obvious allegory to the gender roles we had. Women being the backbone, the ones who gave birth, who provide the raw materials. While men were the ones who built on top of that, crafting stuff beyond the absolute survival necessities.

>>748959426
So basically just like Batman and Joker. If they didn't have an opponent, there would be no story to tell.

>>748960197
How do you explain the demons driven out of people by Jesus?
People being possessed was God's will?

>>748958843
>reject patriarchy
>acquire immortality and superhuman powers

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>>748959980
according to the bible satan, his demons, and anybody dumb enough to have sided with them get cast into the lake of fire and get tortured for all eternity after judgment day
so no they aren't really free they're just causing havoc on earth while they still can

>>748959426
>Jews spent some time there when exiled and liked the concept of two forces opposing each other
I MUST not make jokes about jews needing to be victims. I must NOT make jokes about jews needing to be victims. I mustn't.

>>748959980
This is the most midwit logictranny STEMcoded reddit post I’ve read today+yesterday. Good job.

>>748961123
yes unironically. God lets you do mistakes and if they are mistakes that leave you to be possessed by a Demon until you are saved from it and you choose to follow God again that's a win by God's standards and if you were destroyed by said Demon, so be it. your choice and free will are what matter to God's "legal system framework." if you ever read the Bible you would know that much. does not the rain fall for the evil and the good?

>>748959980
The other replies mostly nailed the mortality part about freedom, but I wanted to clarify on the angels vs demons part.
First - Angel is a job description (messenger) not what something is. Most of those Biblically accurate angel images are not actually angels, but other spiritual beings that God created. These beings all exist to be parts of heaven's bureaucracy.
Second - There were several rebellions by these beings just like with humans. A bunch saw how hot human women were, and descended to Earth before the flood and had kids with them which created the Nephillim who were abominations to God. The second one was when God assigned out all the nations but Israel after the tower of babel incident as part of humanities punishment for that. Humans would be ruled not directly by God. These beings decided the human worship should go to them not God and ruled unjustly. These were all the non-Christian gods of the past.
What people call Demons came about when the Jews conquered the promised land. God told them to genocide the highlands which were populated by the Nephillim/giants. Since their spirits didn't have a place to go, they stuck around and did ghost/demon shit.

>>748959980
The darkest secret that no one tells you is that many of the numerous demons are actually benevolent gods of conquered peoples. Christians and Jews would bulldoze someone else's culture and say "ok, your gods are actually false gods and in fact demons, our God is the one true God". That's why there are so many demons compared to the relatively tiny (and highly curated) ensemble of angels and the Holy Trinity.

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>>748961063
Mara is a demon of temptation. him being a raging penis on a chariot is a perfect representation. its not just because mara is penis in japanese.

>>748959862
not a theologist here but i think who Satan is depends on the religion
in Judaism he's like you describe, but Evangelical Christianity at least tends to attribute the acts of the Samael character you describe to Lucifer retroactively, like they found out that Lucifer was the true identity of at least some of the described satans due to Jesus's teachings
i have also heard some weird synchronization where Lucifer is an angel acting under God's orders like you describe and he will eventually be cast into the lake of fire for some reason, presumably he goes against God for reasons of pride or unacceptance of mercy of humans, but I'm not sure how that works with Jesus saying he saw Lucifer fall out of heaven

>>748961317
funnily enough in the bible one of the events was the prophet going like "does your god hear you, you are talking to a statue and offering gifts to them? this is a false god that does not speak!" old Hebraic lore was based on "many gods - but only one is right." definition.

So in summary, "God" (YHVH) its just the standard of the conquerors (Jewish/Christian), who they flew on top of the conquered (literally everybody else), declaring their belongings and faiths False (Fake) and Demonic (Gay)

>>748961285
>all the nations but Israel after the tower of babel incident as part of humanities punishment
>when the Jews conquered the promised land
>God told them to genocide

>ITT people actually do not know the apocryphal story of Lilith
Americans not beating the charges on being the most poorly 'educated' people on earth.

>>748961123
Yes.

Demons all act under Gods will and orders. Including the devil there is none in creation who has the ability to actually oppose God except man.

The good and evil beings throughout creation ply their role to the best of their ability. They are not evil only really good at their job. The evil lies in the men who choose to follow them.

God and his angels only give man the option to choose from. Which includes the greatest good or greatest evil so as the totality of creation and experience can be manifested .

>>748960678
No, it's an understanding that not all limits on your freedom are external, and that there is such a thing as the right way to be that exists beyond your moment to moment whims.
It believes in a right answer, and that choosing the wrong answer isn't a form of freedom but a succumbing to vice or ignorance. If you were perfectly free, perfectly rational, then there would be no reason not to choose the summum bonum, definitionally. Modern freedom says there isn't such a thing, so do whatever you want all.
The former isn't just a Christian belief either. It comes from the Greeks. The latter understanding mostly arose post-enlightenment.

>>748961486
Noticing, are you,

>>748961413
pretty solid reading anon. case in point: Sodom and Gomorrah. (where you got the slur "sodomite" for faggots from.)

>>748961317
In other words, if the Romans hadn't loved the Greeks so much now jews would be like "Zeus and Achilles are totally demons because I said so"?

>>748961358
The other thing is that the etymology for mara (penis) in japanese probably comes from the mara in buddhism in the first place, so it just makes perfect sense from the beginning, it's just the japanese spin on it and not an atlus thing.

>>748961510
I'm just gonna go ahead and do as I will, for that is the whole of the law

>>748961492
dude, they had a literal jew cabal right up on their faces that subverted their christian faith for almost an entire century, and they didn't even notice it.
Burgers may not have always been golems, but holy shit if they've been complete retards since day 1.

>>748961196
But according to >>748959862, you're not exactly siding with Satan by being bad because him being the bad guy is not accurate to scripture. He's just an angel doing the job God gave him.

>>748961486
They where the Nephillim whos existence was one of the main reasons God flooded the whole earth in Genesis. Most of the non Nephillim cities in the low lands were just normally conquered (ie the humans got to live)
Also most of the old testament is the Jews constantly fucking up the easy deal they got with the true God watching over them. If you don't like Jews it's quite "yeah that makes sense". There is a reason why God expanded the deal back to everyone after He has to incarnate himself to fix things.

>>748961619
Even now they just say "the Epstein class" instead of calling them out what they are: jews

>>748961659
He's like God's version of your wife's friend who she gets to try to seduce you, the right answer is for you to refuse her temptations

>>748961583
Pergamum/Turkey had the Temple of Zeus and it was called the "Satan's Seat" in Revelations. its biblically accurate to refer to Zeus as Satan.

>>748961724
no thanks, I don't care for jewish bullshit thank you

>>748961732
because it included more than just jews but the main oligarchy plug in there was jews for sure. others were just bottom feeders.

Do the jewish version kept the fusion between Satan and Lucifer? Or are they more clearly divided in there?
Because if i remember correctly even Lucifer may have been just another jab at Ishtar, sharing similar iconography and naming convention. They really hated that particular Goddess

>>748961746
Disgusting jews and their goys hating white people and white culture.

>>748961795
Lucifer is mainly a Christian feature/addition not Jewish.

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>>748961659
the mental gymnastics faggots go through to rationalize their faggotry is so fucking sad man lmao.

>>748961839
White culture has consisted in worshipping dead jews for the last 200 years though, they love it actually.

>>748961776
You don't care about Jews being unable to follow really simple commands like "Don't put up a pole to Ashera (a fake goddess) right inside my temple"? It shows how they can never keep a promise...

>>748961839
Turks aren't white, they are arabs, same revelations also called the Jews in the same regionality as being of "Synagogue of Satan." for their behavior (slander, lies, corruption etc.)

>>748961862
Nope, Lucifer is some non-jew king person who likely made them pay taxes or forbid themfrom raping non-jew kids and they seethed endlessly at that.

>>748961893
Woops missed a 0 there

>>748959980
Demon just means spirit, originally refering to both good and bad ones but in the current day the meaning is usually tilted towards evil
Angel just means messanger of god, and most depictions of angels are just guys in robes with no wings, or a ball of light
There isn't actually a dichotomy between them

Why do I have to look like a faggot in this game?

>>748961893
Goy culture more like, even now Trump is sending 9000 sacrifices to die for jews in the middle east

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>>748961506
What you're describing is basically Mastema's real life lore. It is apocryphal (meaning it's not a common belief).

>>748961787
That's always been the thing with the jews mind you. They get inside other countries, expand their network of influence, even let natives join in their schemes, but all the while keep a core purist jew group to the side. So whenever shit hit the fan (it always does), this cell can fuck off and re-start fresh somewhere else.
The best way to see these machinations its on how you are only considered a true jew if your mom was one. For obviously they expected and encourage jew men to fuck gentiles as much as possible, as a symbol of domination. While the jewish women are kept as treasured belongings only to be married off to other jews.

>>748961659
While I said the demons and the devil are not actually ontologically or inherently evil only circumstancially so. If you side with them there are consequences.

And while yes the consequences are generally regarded as bad and unfavorable. You’re right in truth no human being truly falls to evil. As the evil they are following is just Gods left hand.
No such thing as evil that exists outside God.


Man created good and evil. For celestial beings there is only positive and negative in which there is no intrinsic to sense of good or evil.

In the positive sphere good and favorable things happen becuase that’s just what positive does

In the negative sphere bad things and suffering happens. Because the arts just what negative does and that’s just what negative frequencies manifest as.

You are free to pick. Sometimes these things happen to you against your will be your free to pick your reaction and further steps beyond that.

>>748961908
Hating on Zeus is still hating on white people and white culture.

>>748962037
What? That's craaaazy

>>748962037
this is mainly because the oral tradition dictates it and the fact that the "occult" side relies on it. (ergo bloodline-grants specialized properties which makes the in-group mother a requirement.)

>>748961994
Can't an american soldier refuse the mission on the grounds of "I don't want to die for Israel"?

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>>748957457
>this level of retarded ignorance
Read a book tranny, YES! THE HORRIBLE DEMON THAT REJECTED GOD'S EDICTS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF BABIES WAS THE FIRST FEMINIST....You may begin to notice parallels to modern feminism and abortion and question if demons are real or not

>>748961976
This is correct. Remember all the Levant faiths came from... well, the Levant, duh. Middle east. it's not a coincidence how so many faiths from the area share ideas on spirits and the like.
It was only after Christianity tried to simplify things and adapt them to the European mindset, that Demons became a more "concrete" categorization.
Its why you have stuff like Solomon literally enslaving Demons to build shit from him. They weren't some "anathema" to God, but just another sort of spirit creature.

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>>748961862
you know lucifer also relates to Ishtar and Inanna because he is the morning star Venus just they are. he is the light giver, but the light he gives is the light of illusion, the one which will make you fall in love with the world thus making you forget the true light of salvation.
the faggots in charge of babylon love lucifer because they worship matter and its lies and the father of lies, Satan.
did you anon ever hear about lady Columbia? well why is the statue of liberty not holding a sword or shield but its holding a torch instead and why isnt her name lady Columbia? well because that present from the french mason faggots isnt lady Columbia, but its Ishtar/lucifer.

>>748962221
Eh, that fits historically. You can imagine that back in the day women had it pretty easy to just grab their newborn and smash it against the wall if they feel like it. And naturally they could have reasons to do so. From having been forced to conceive due to rape, or just self-interest via inheritance and the like.
Women being the bringers of new life also gave them the authority to end it. For even if you were to separate a newborn from its mother, good luck finding a surrogate that will keep it properly fed.
No wonder then our ancestors feared this sort of shit. A schizo women moment could literally end your entire tribe, and you couldn't do much about it.

>>748962279
wrong those are two different entities and mentioned in the OT as separate things that people were making offerings to, stop cooking up fanfiction before reading the book you can get through in a day.

>>748961317
I mean, kings and heroes were also absorbed as saints, so it's not like this didn't go both ways.

>>748962279
The sad thing is you really believe all that worthless crap and you make life worse for everyone around you for it

>>748958390
I cannot believe anyone thinks christianity is accurate. Like genuine low iq shit

>>748962485
don't rape then

>>748962640
Fuck off, faggot

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>>748962501
why not you do the research yourself bro takes less than a minute to type ishtar/lucifer on google
> Ishtar and Lucifer share a deep historical and mythological connection through their mutual association with the planet Venus as the Morning Star
course though I am so insanely based that I knew all this way back when topics such as these were never discussed. hell majority of you brown faggots werent even born or never heard of internet in youre turd world shithole lmao

>>748962532
nta but YOU don't need to actually believe on it to be affected, you know?
again, what that anon said about the statue of liberty its true. The French Masons had insane political power and motivation, and were able to pull that sort of shit. Same as other building projects in the USA.
And they were insane believers on that sort of shit. So they crafted all these icons, maybe even pushed for laws and regulations, only to push their own doctrines and beliefs.
And who was gonna pay and get fucked over the most for it? Us, of course.
Being an atheist won't protect you when those in power do unironically believe ritualistic killing its good.

>>748962693
Kill yourself, rapist

>>748959980
That's just people trying to turn a black and white issue into a morally grey one. On one side, eternal happiness, on the other, not eternal happiness. The more cynical people became, the more they bought into that eternal happiness must mean being a slave to justify themselves being assholes and dicks to each other.

>>748962715
>read some occult retarded fanfic bro!
how about read the OT instead? you are the brown faggot I assure you I'm whiter than you because I am literate and have read more history, mythology and religion than you ever wish you could've.

>>748962501
Yeah. Lucifer was never really considered an evil being. He is the light bringer the bringer of self knowledge and that’s what luciferianism actually is. All men gain knowledge of their true selves.

Ironically Lucifer was subverted by actual satanist to be painted as the ultimate evil so man never awakens beicae they are afraid of the supposedly evil Lucifer. And thus they are kept trapped in the worldly machinations of satan which includes organized religion.

Lucifer is Christ. The awakener, the light bringer the dispeller of darkness

>>748962737
>those in power do unironically believe ritualistic killing its good
Ah you mean like the christians in power right now who think sending soldiers to die in the middle east is good?

>>748962769
wrong sorry that's gnostic spin on things, he rebelled against God. if anything if Christ is referred to as Lucifer (he is) he's just replacing that title which belonged to the one who rebelled and claiming it for themselves. Christ is God and was before Abraham.

>>748962640
as if it was that simple... women are people too, and people can be quite petty and self-centered.
its nothing unique and special that women from all across history used their role as mothers to get power, influence and riches. for say you become the wife of the king, not only you have direct access to his ear, but will get to birth the next monarch, who you will get to groom and shape in whatever way you want.
and that, again, includes deposing of any attempt that may have gone wrong.

>>748962798
>christians
You mean crypto-jews?
The pope is not sending anyone to die anywhere nigga

>>748962769
Didn't you get the memo? We have a new Messiah now, because Jesus was too woke.

>>748962923
nothing woke about Jesus, just fuck the pope and catholic perversions and you don't have much wokeness left. (its always been the catholics and jews pushing wokeness since second world war.)

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>>748962761
if you wont at least accept that what I am saying might be a possibility even with all this evidence right under our noses then there is no room for discussion bro.
I dont see how OT and the information I just provided collide and contradict each other.

>>748963017
they never confuse the deities like post-revisionists do.

>>748963008
He was woke because he was a socialist. He gave free food to the poor and hated the rich.

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>>748957457
Lilith was the first woman God made for Adam. She was a deceiver and betrayed God. She left Eden on her own because she wanted more than what God was offering to her. She willingly became a demon.

Then God created a second woman for Adam, Eve. When Lilith heard Adam was with another woman she became enraged with jealousy because someone else was taking her place and returned to Eden in the form of a snake to trick Eva into eating from the forbidden tree.

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>>748962798
THE CHURCH nowadays doesn't have that much direct power. Back in the day? Yeah, its well known how politically involved and corrupt the Church was when it came to declaring wars.
Nowadays that power shifted to the economic powers of the world, which just so happen to have been founded by the successors of all those cults and cabals. I would know,im married to an ex-Rosicrucian, and I can tell lots of crazy bullshit that went on even on the "small lodge" she was.

>>748963115
that's not what a socialist is you retard

>>748963115
charity work is not socialism fucking retard. anyone claiming socialism == charity is a fucking retarded bitch that should rope.

>>748963147
freemasons (all sub-orgs), trilateral, bilderberg and wef are the big movers.

What a retarded thread, on par with the recent AI spam. Kill yourself.

>>748962852
>gnostic
Let go of meaningless titles and labels. All philosophy and religion is only man’s attempt at quantifying the metaphysical and all are expressions of man’s continued attempts at gaining knowledge. A slow process of perfection becoming. Religion is like science in that is it’s all the same thing or all man trying to understand the same thing( the workings of creation) the different labels and schism being just parts of it. A man studying Christianity and a man studying Buddhism is studying the exact same thing it’s just from a different framework.


Lucifer is venus son. The light bringer the light that dispells darkness.

Those stories about rebelling are allegorical in nature showing how man’s ego rebels against creation because it doesn’t understand its role and believes itself to be the greatest and most important.

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>>748962769
I think youre getting to caught up on titles and labels when they change through the ages many times through syncretism.
I agree Christ is the true light of the world and from my research back in the day before king james bible, Christ and lucifer were synonymous with each other. but nowadays and now in this thread anytime anyone referes to lucifer they are talking about a trickster and not the savior.
take it easy bro.

>>748963246
uh oh worried about the truth getting out, mossad?

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>>748963008
>nothing woke about Jesus
He said we should help the poor, feed the hungry, and take care of the sick. That's not the Jesus the modern day Christian wants to follow.

>>748957457
lilith is a feminist character (figure). Even the bible contains myth (satans words). Not woke.

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Post Alice already dammit

>>748963173
You don't understand, socialism and communism is when good you know?

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>>748963246
Nah, it's a good thread, it shows that people here actually read things.

>>748963281
>>748963257
2:11-15 corinthians:
>And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

>>748963281
I still don't understand what the deal with this original form of his was. Like, I get the intent, the true, pre-Biblical inspiration of Lucifer... But cmon, they could have at least tried a bit harder. That form made him look too much like a YHVH wannabe.
Then again, I remember the threads when the first leaks came out and some anons theorized that this was "Law Lucifer, who after winning against YHVH became just like him". Which was a kino concept.

>>748958834
You have no agency and you're a retard

>>748963330
>no true scotsman fallacy.
>>748963375
leftist lies, get out already you communist.

>>748963173
Anything that helps anyone who isn't me or anyone similar enough to me that my brain registers them as an extension of myself is socialism, and therefore bad. Now, if you want to start a charity that only helps me and people like me, I would be completely on board with that. As long as I get a bigger share than anyone else, of course, I'm entitled to that for coming up with the idea.

>>748963446
>That form made him look too much like a YHVH wannabe
You are aware of how he became a transcendent being and took that form to begin with, right?

>>748963153
>>748963173
Socialist now means whomever I don't like. The actual meaning is, unironically, no longer relevant. Same with woke, liberal, conservative and such. No one cares if a person is actually any of those, I'll just label them as such because they oppose my viewpoint.

>>748963330
yes it is
you think it's not because you understand these things to mean enforced at a state level via taxation
>but americans
protestant retardation

>>748960001
there's no contradiction between this and feminism. just look at the lindsay clancy shit.

>>748962923
Jesus is another name of the luciferian savior being. Itself the angel of salvation. It goes by many names it doesn’t care. Call it Jesus, Adonis, Horus, Krishna, Buddha it does not care these are all names for the same entity.

That entity is the angel of salvation. God created a separate angel to carry out all tasks on earth. There’s an angel for rain and ann angel dor hunger and angel for fun and angel for comfyness. An angel that oversees anger and an angel in charge of lust. Angels are the backbone of creation and they carrying out the task of administration of the various elements and principles of creation.

Christ and all his various names is the angel whose job it is to bring salvation to man trapped in creation. That’s just his job.

>>748963535
only type of socialism that functions is nationalist socialist, you aren't ready for the talks chud.

>>748963330
By the standards of the time, and even by today's standards lets be honest... yes, Jesus was quite "commie" if you wanna call it that. Though you can also say it was pretty Buddhist, and other similar stuff.
Original Christianity preached about poorness being a virtue. Renouncing your physical possessions as much as possible, and sharing them with those who already have nothing... Jesus (heh), even some of his followers were wealthy individuals who renounced to their wealth or at the very least used it to spread the christian message. Not unlike modern libs who usually come from rich households and yet preach for equality and shit.

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>>748957457
Actually, according to modern biblical scholarship, the Genesis 2 story with the rib is actually older than then Genesis 1 story with the 7 days, precisely because the J source shows an anthropomorphized and human-like God compared to the cosmic God of P

>>748963625
Man doesn't want salvation, Christ can keep it. They'll happily follow their new Messiah into the depths of perdition, and they'll convince themselves that they're in paradise. Better to lie to themselves than to admit that following him was a bad idea.

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>>748963529
I get that, I just dont like that transcendence needs to be all white and gold.
Its why I so much prefer his Dark Form. It fits him best as a "Transcendence Being from Chaos"

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>>748958450
Problem?

>>748963791
Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple, the new Messiah would let them stay in exchange for the lion's share of their profits.

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>>748963446
Nah, i think it was kino.
The way he moved his wings looked just like a machine, reminded me of Metatron. And that was kino.

>>748960706
I can fix her

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>Kill the Quatsu
>Can now special summon them
>Summon them
>Talk to them in haunt
>They don't acknowledge our relationship or what happened
This is kind of interesting, because there's clearly copies or multiple versions of the demons. How is it explained in universe? Like, there's just an infinite amount of Liliths possibly? Is the Lilith I summoned just some newborn version with no memory of the game's events?

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>>748957457
>live under the rock
>oh nice SMTV is finally on PC
>Denuvo
ÆUGH

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>>748957897
>Adam turned this down

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>>748964046
You can only summon one of each demon/deity, so only one Lilith can ever exist.

>>748964207
No, she turned down the only living man because she thought she could do better

You are all overthinking the Jesus thing... For in the end its very simple: The curse of the average.
The majority of humans live and are chained to an average existence. Destined to live their lives without much fanfare or accomplishment. Yet they do get to suffer, from hunger, illness, despair... for such is the reality of existence.
As such you end up in a situation in which the immense majority of people wish only to cease the suffering, to live peacefully and unafraid, while not knowing or caring about higher calls or achievements born through sacrifice.
And that, that's what Jesus offered, what Christianity preached, and why so many took a liking to it, even centuries later as Christianity expanded.
Its simply... an universally nice belief. That the average individual can relate to. For no matter the place or time, the average individual will always feel crushed by a boot.
Communism, at its core, follows similar principles but more focused towards economic goals. Socialism, as a version to it which also include social issues, its closer to that original idea of Christianity.
And yet they all suffer that issue I mentioned. That if you only provide for the average, then the ones who want to stand out get crushed down. There's no rising above the masses when the system in place cares only to keep everybody exactly the same.
Sure you can argue there's shades to this, and that its not so absolute. But you can understand why so many across history saw these ideals and called them GAY

>>748964046
There isn't really any fundamental difference between demons other than their power so it stands to reason that Lilith would be similar to the likes of Lilim who if you try to recruit while already having in your stock will say something like "oh my friend is already with you" showing that multiple versions exist

>>748964391
That should mean it's not possible to take your own Lilith into a fight against Lilith but it is

>>748964493
Only in NG+ and it's fine that NG+ allows for non-canon shenanigans like this, that's the whole point of it.

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>>748964393
She seemed quite happy banging demons all day. It's not like she was condemned to do so. Only that her progeny would be cursed, but producing them still? Entirely her call.

>>748964401
>that's what Jesus offered

No, what the historical Jesus offered was that God was soon going to upend the world order, destroy all the bad people, and make a paradise kingdom on earth with no war, hunger, sickness, or death. Jesus was not really offering anything other than to repent by radically changing how you treated other people so you good make it into the upcoming kingdom.

>>748957770
*Turns you into a newt*
What now?

>>748964908
*gets better*
heh nice try

>woke
NIGGA THE WHOLE POINT ABOUT LILITH IS THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE SUBSERVIENT TO ADAM YOU FUCKTARD

>>748963820
that doesn't make any sense. genesis was written by one guy, moses, he wouldn't have written it out of order. Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible.

>>748964864
It was both, anon. The meek will inherit the earth, after all.
We don't have all the information about what exactly took place, for so much of the texts have been rewritten, omitted, and straight up deleted. But I can imagine the original Christianity, what historic Jesus came out with, was not unlike the sects of today.
The only difference is that this sect did manage to become mainstream..

>>748963839
Shadow and Lights play tricks on your mind.

To put forth a summary of the philosophy I’ve tried to share with you all today think of it like this.

You are playing a game. In the game there are friendly npcs and scary enemies. To you the town npcs are good because they help and the enemies are bad because they oppose you. However to the game there is no distinction between the two. To the game the npcs and the enemies are the exact same thing they are both just part of “the game” they ar both made of the exact same code. The apparent difference in in your mind. The game is simply the game and all things inside either helpful or oppositional are just parts of the game whose ultimate purpose is to give you the player an experience.

The game does not see the bosses and enemies as evil. You do because they oppose you. The game does not tolerate enemies they are part of it and are it. Without enemies there is no game. Though in truth to err are no real enemies as the bosses were designed for your enjoyment and experience in the end though you are angry and scared while you’re fighting them

Understand?

>>748965095
>not wanting to make sandwiches for her husband
>nor be raw dogged from behind
uuuuh that sounds pretty WOKE to me

>>748965230
Without suffering there's no joy. Without difficulty there's no enjoyment. Without dark there's no light.
Everything in this universe its about contrasts. If there weren't opposite forces and everything existed in "perfect harmony", there simply wouldn't be an universe. Just a soup of perfect, calm, nothingness. The end goal of Entropy.
We, as beings who oppose entropy, ironically enough desire and wish for its embrace. For the frictions of existence cause us harm and anxiety. We just wish it for it all to go away, for us to only know peace.
Yet, what would that bring us?
A God who offers that as a reward, truly its a fool. Or its just merely baiting us. Or, we simply misunderstood the assignment.
Maybe there's no rest at the end of the journey, even with a Christian God at the head. Maybe we are just supposed to struggle forever, for that's the only way this existence can continue.

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>>748965207
Funnily enough, I didn't expect the heel turn. Still sided with her though.

>>748965112
The meek will inherit the earth because, according to Jewish Apocalypticism, evil forces were in control of the world right now. To have any kind of monetary or finical or social success meant that you were aligning yourself with those evil forces.

>>748965098
Did he write his own death in Deuteronomy too?

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>>748965789
so the chuds will inherent the world? but how will they procreate?

>>748964046
>How is it explained in universe?
This particular one is because the Qadistu in VV are explicitly not from this world, so the ones you summon are actually completely unique people from the main story ones.

>Like, there's just an infinite amount of Liliths possibly? Is the Lilith I summoned just some newborn version with no memory of the game's events?
It's like instances of a game. The higher tier demons will explain this to you directly when you unlock their fusion data, but it functions the same way for the lowest demons too. It's somewhat similar to how in Fate/ you can summon both Charlemagne the Hero and Charlemagne the King as separate Servants. Both originate from the same source, but different interpretations of it.
Basically you are not summoning them directly and completely, but manifesting a fraction of their existence and borrowing their power.

>but that doesn't make sense, why aren't there multiple Lucifer's in every world then?
Because shut up.

>>748965230
I don't see other people as NPCs.

>>748965926
Jesus didn't seem to believe in marriage in the coming kingdom, so there would probably be no sex either. See Matthew 22:23-34: "For in the resurrection, people neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like angels of God in heaven."

>>748965789
Even following that, which kinda had its adaptation to Christian canon in the events of Revelations, doesn't change that the end vision of paradise on earth was one without "earthly corruptions", riches and the like.
Otherwise the sect of Christianity wouldn't have much going for against the mainstream jewish belief of simply wait for the king messiah.

>>748957457
>>748957468
You do know that Lilith is the original deceiver right?

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>>748964401
>There's no rising above the masses when the system in place cares only to keep everybody exactly the same.
Christianity has a doctrine of ascent, sanctification, models of heroism and virtue, ideals.
It is a religion that asks you to ascend to the divine. It has an explicit hierarchy of virtue. Its appeals to the weak or the average didn't work because they were 'nice', but because it offered a better path to those that were previously stuck with their lot in life, unable to ascend beyond the material circumstances of their birth, be it the circumstances of an aristocrat, slave, or anyone in-between.
It is a Christian ideal to become a saint; to 'rise above the masses.' The appeal was that this choice was offered to everyone.

Always love when theology talk pops up in the most random of places.
Tends to make for a good time and reading most of the time.

>>748959980
Demons aren't technically a part of Christianity

>>748961063
bait?

>>748966838
SMT threads are the least random place for theology to pop up on this site

>>748957703
Are you retarded?

>>748957468
This is actual Lilith lore though, not even from SMT. It's why Lilith is considered a fake story and heresy to nearly all Jews and Christians. It's not anywhere in, or referenced by, actual Hebrew or Christian scripture. The myth is that Lilith is supposedly a woman created in the same fashion as Adam, and then God made Eve to replace her when Lilith bailed because she didn't want to submit to Adam. The story is believed to have originated around the middle ages by most scholars based on the writings that reference the story.

>>748957703
Probably because this is SMT and it's supposed to be the literal Lilith?

>>748966742
And yet what are the qualities best attributed and desired on saints? martyrdom, sacrifice... And for what, exactly? To protect the masses, and their average existence?
Even Christianity had to soften and sweeten this deal, for obviously if you follow this path you'll get "rewarded", as you just said. Yet the overall idea of Christianity is that EVERYONE will get rewarded at the end. You just "get to receive it early" if act virtuous.

>>748961978
Because without the Y chromosome, you default spawn as a girl

>>748957897
>whatever reason
Spiritual but not dogmatic women believe that the true history of Abrahamic religion was corrupted by the patriarchy. Including Lilith being demonized by patriarchal Jewish Rabbis because she refused to submit to a male.
The logic is pretty obvious. Protestants generally already believe that scripture was misinterpreted for most of its history.

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>>748957457
Wait until chuds find out about Seraph and Jenna

Is quoting stuff from the bible woke now? I'm so fucking confused

>>748961976
Most correct answer right here.

>>748963446
My interpretation is that it represents the result of all his plans. He raged and wrought destruction to achieve his goal of true freedom, but ultimately is unable to break out of the system. He's beaten his nemesis and achieved the highest highs to ascend as a god himself, but even still he's just another machine in service to the inner workings of the world. The underlying baseline of the worlds in the multiverse are always Law because YHVH placed a finger on the scales long ago. Lucifer could do the same as well and tilt the worlds towards Chaos, but in doing so he'd be going against his entire ideology and enforcing Law. It's a nice way to show the inherent contradictions of Chaos and Law both causing the other extreme.

That's my favourite part of V and VV's story. That the endings aren't just ways to live going forward or who should rule humanity, but rejections and criticisms of the underlying systems in the world itself.

>>748967442
Lilith is 100% not in the bible. It's an old myth, but there is nothing that anyone would consider an actual scripture that tells the story or acknowledges her. Nearly all demon/angel stuff is like that too. It's just /x/ shit written down or made up by medieval monks.

>>748961976
Most of the shit comes from Dante Alighieri

>>748967442
Lilith is not in the Bible. Her existence and what she's saying are essentially heresy.

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>>748967569
its exactly this. them showing transform before you before the battle reinforces it.

>>748967364
Which is a bit absurd because although I can buy some texts had the female roles altered and diminished due to similar social movements of the time, it doesn't change that the role of women, even on the original stories, wouldn't pass for today standards of EQUALITY.
For the equality movement insists that there's no difference whatsoever between a man and a woman. Which would have been scoffed at even by the so call witches of the past.
I'm all for equality on the sense of value, though. As long we accept men and women are different, that they provide different values, and that they exist as opposites yet complementary forces to each other.
AND THAT MEANS, IF I WANNA HAVE SEXY WOMEN IN MY VIDYA, IM ENTITLED TO DO SO.

>>748961724
>Also most of the old testament is the Jews constantly fucking up the easy deal they got with the true God watching over them
The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh...?

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>>748967569
I didn't like how VV introduced Amitabha as an even higher being than everyone present. It's like, did we really need this DBZ power scaling shit. And you can't even fight him, so what was the point.

>>748967569
>>748967732
if only we got a game on which those events do happen IN THE game... Sure, you can imagine this is just the end result of True Demon Ending from Nocturne, or a similar enough variation. But dammit, I want a SMT Chaos route in which we do get to see the true end result, cosmic scale and all, of Chaos winning.
I think the only one who did so to an extend was Space Marine Tensei.

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>>748967732
just wanna show another version of lucifer

>>748967967
He's just a transcended being but on a more Buddhist take, I guess. Like, someone who reached Nirvana and therefore exists entirely outside of the cycle, yet supports it from the sidelines.

>>748968028
He's basically just Kagutsuchi from Nocturne but with legs
He's not transcendent

>>748967967
>>748968028
This shit makes no sense. Stephen wants to find a way for humanity to live outside the bounds of the Axiom, some guy named Siddhartha Gautama from 500 BC figured it all out, and he just chooses to ignore it?

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Can someone explain the trippy tree? You see it in various cutscenes across the game and up close in Yoko's ending. What is it? Lilith's snek is hanging from a branch in the ending.

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>>748967980
I think before anything else, faggots need to stop putting labels on shit. there is no “chaos” or “law” endings in SMTV and you labeling them as such bottles up in a definition which removes any nuances.
just imo.

>>748968087
But Kagutsuchi was clearly just another avatar/extension of YHVH. While Amitabha its more like a completely separated dude's who's there to judge character and not much else. So he has to have reached that status somehow. And considering the actual Amitabha was like a super roided ascended Budha...

>>748968198
You can't figure out the Tree of Knowledge? It was an incredibly important part of the world building

>>748967041
I more meant the board as a whole, I at least would normally not expect genuine theology discussion on current /v/ of all fucking places, regardless of stuff like SMT existing.

>>748968149
There are other beings who have managed to reach that status as-well.
If I have to guess, its just a matter of "each did it on their own exclusive, absurdly specific way, and therefore it cannot be replicated".
Stephen wants humanity as a whole to go beyond the Axiom, but that's kinda whatever if only 1 in 8 billion humans manage to do so. He must be seeking for a way, or a Messiah, who can push for EVERYBODY to ascend.

>>748957457
>Villains are a stand in for Christian evangelicals and Nazi chuds.
You think?

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>>748967378
I am a Chud and I played Avatar tuner 1 and 2, you seem to be confusing with modern gender retardation with hindu mysticism, such many cases, leftoids are very low IQ after all

>>748968560
>calling it avatar tuner
you really are a chud

>>748968482
Stephen isn't beyond it. He's still in the system, even if he's higher than others. Everything that exists and is seen is within that framework, and he wants to surpass it.

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>VV is already 2 years old
>/v/ is JUST NOW having a melty over it being woke
It's been a gay and feminist game this entire time. What did you think you fucking played?

>>748968517
I don’t think you know what any of those words mean

>>748968739
Not whatever the fuck you played, that's for sure

>>748958843
How can a female be created from a male rib?

>>748968795
God did it
Any time something didn't make sense, God did it

>>748968739
I wonder how many meltys will happen when wokelisers are replaced by AI

Sex with demons

>>748967330
>martyrdom, sacrifice... And for what, exactly? To protect the masses, and their average existence?
For their proximity to the character of Christ, 'the good.' That often means a willingness to be martyred, for obvious reasons, but not always. There are military saints, saints of the arts, saints of just about every virtue you can think of. Sainthood designates an exceptional commitment to 'the good' in whatever form it takes. No self-subjugation to the masses is necessary.
>if you follow this path you'll get "rewarded", You just "get to receive it early" if act virtuous.
This is true, but not in the 'sweetening the deal' sense you mean. In Christianity, these things are the reward. You don't do them merely for the sake of access to heaven, but because they are good in themselves, and doing them places you in communion with God. Heaven is simply the ultimate, most complete form of that communion.
>Yet the overall idea of Christianity is that EVERYONE will get rewarded at the end.
It's that everyone CAN be rewarded, through the grace and mercy of Christ. The distinction is that the reward doesn't depend on the circumstances of your birth or on mere worldly achievements, but on your proximity to the divine, which everyone may access.

It says only that someone born poor, destitute, or downtrodden can be as holy as someone born a rich aristocrat. What it requires of you is the same in either case, and it goes further than both stations. It asks more of both, not less of the strong.

>>748958843
>>748967190
>shouldn't have to be subservient
>didn't want to submit
All she wanted was to be on top during sex, that's a condition I can accept

>>748968795
How can a human, with all its organs, bone, blood... be made from mud?
If we follow that logic, a rib of said human would still be from the original materials, so it can be used to create another human, of albeit lesser quality.

>>748968979
Adam did nothing wrong, he and Eve were on a break

>>748968795
Because ribs are delicious

>>748957457
>>748957468
The actual mythological character is literally supposed to be an uppity unruly cunt who refused to put out and was banished for it.
>>748957897
>the patron of feminism is an obnoxious cunt who delights in murdering children
They couldn’t have picked a better symbol. Every abortion clinic should have a statue of lilith.

>>748967378
they'll just scream that localizers are lying and demand you prove it in the original Japanese moonspeak

>>748969189
Qrd?

Lilith is just Hera. Prove me wrong.

>>748969278
It's what happened when AI: The Somnium Files was revealed to be "woke". When it was proven that it was in the original Japanese text too the grifters went silent.

>>748969303
>Hera
That would be Asherah, the actual wife of YHVH, before she got retcon

>>748967190
Imo, that story just serves as a further addendum to the original story of women being the ones who are tempted and reinforcing the male's role. Dunno why it's heresy when it just kind of belabors a point already made.

>>748969420
But I don't know what you're talking about my apologies, what is the relation to Digital Devil Saga?

What is the best skill set for a demon? are multihit attacks worth it?

>>748957682
yes

>>748968795
It's an adaptation of the older Sumerian myth of Enki and Ninhursag.
Water god Enki grew ill in eight organs of his body, including his rib. To heal him the mother goddess Ninhursag creates eight deities. The deity created to heal his rib is named Ninti.

In Sumerian, the word "Ti" carries a dual meaning: it means both "rib" and "life" (or "to make live"). So Ninti's name translates to both "The Lady of the Rib" and "The Lady of Life".

When the story moved into West Semitic/Hebrew traditions, this linguistic pun was lost because the Hebrew word for "life" and the word for "rib" are entirely different. However, the thematic link remained: Eve (Hawwah in Hebrew, derived from the root meaning "living" or "life") is called the "mother of all living," yet her creation remains linked to a rib.

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>>748968792
>/v/ just implanted a different version of the game into their heads to make it ok for them
Demons are real.

>>748967980
We do already see that, that is what happens in this game. If you mean what happens when Chaos actually tips the scale like how YHVH hoarded the power and cast the god's out of the running for mayor, then that's most likely going to be the setting of the next SMT given how they're actively trying to write away from the God of Law/Christian God being the focus of the series.

>>748957457
The demon models look so fucking good. Just imagine if the environmental artists were of equal skill.

>>748957897
gee it's almost like

>>748969601
>what is the relation to Digital Devil Saga?
NTA but Seraph and Jenna are intersex. Jenna has a penis and Seraph is a man inhibiting a woman's body because their minds fused.

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>>748968331
So what is it exactly? And who made it? Bet you don't know either.

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I am finishing the game and the 2 of the 4 sisters are so hot