>loses job for forging evidence>gets hired to remake the lawI hate Wrightfags so goddamn much.
Made this thread so I could remind people that 4-4 is in four days.
Why do you people want an Ace Attorney 7? You already agree the writing went downhill since 4 and 6 is the nadir, what are you even hoping for?
>>748962235We still like the franchise.
>>748962235'cuz it's hype as fuck when you present the right evidence and the objection theme starts playing but replaying the same cases gets old fast
>>748963479Rewatching stuff you enjoy causes you to hate them.
>>748962235I hope they can make a really good puzzle/investigation game by using good game design that prevents bruteforcing or making everything too obvious to the player. They could take some inspiration from some recent metroidbranias.
It's funny how Wright gets busted for unknowingly submitting fake evidence, but everyone else can get away with absurd amounts of bullshit during the trials.
There is no reason to live. Once these AA livestreams are over, I'm going to kill myself.
She blinded me with science
Bump
>>748962174maybe because he actually did nothing wrong and was framed? time will prove me right. the dark age of the law is about to end
>>748962174>gets hired to remake the lawAnd they say there's no corruption. Wright has been butt buddies with the chief prosecutor for years now
>>748968208>wrightfags.wav
Every game in the entirety of Ace Attorney is good, even the worst games in the series are still okay at worst and there's not a single ace attorney title that doesn't have at least one kino case. Yes, even Miles Edgeworth 1. So I'll always look forward for another entry in the series.You are now free to now seethe about my opinion, or not. Suit yourself.
>>748962235AA5 and AA6 had the problem of trying to do too much with too many protagonists. AA7 needs to cut the focus back on one protagonist, and/or wipe the slate clean and go from there.
>>748968379The 3DS games are a massive step back from the originals, which at least tried to add some semblance of gameplay to the visual novel format
>>748968379Bait
>>748968503Dual Destinies is a bit weak but I loved Spirits of Justice.>>748968557Bait these nuts.
>>748962235I don't, I want a new game with a new castThat's what should've happened after the first trilogy or at the very least after 4
>>748962174I see. So you hate Ace Attorney.
>>748968379Correctimundo.Also, Investigations 1 is better than AA4.
>>748968586Spirit of Justice was better, I agree
>>748962174Motherfucker forges evidence on the first case.>b-b-b-but it was in the name of revealing the truthSo? Doesn't make it right or justifiable. The whole crux of the series is "if the truth is there, it will be found", not "I can't make my case without creating a scenario the guilty party won't be able to argue their way out of so it's for the greater good".
>>748969643It's a roleplay you dip
>>748962235>You already agree the writing went downhill since 4 and 6 is the nadirOn the contrary, 4 and 6 were great. The only problem was 5, and it's the only game in the whole franchise I'd outright call bad.
>>748971317For me too and I just threw a natural 20.
>>748968379You are right, but also retarded for implying AAI is the worst one in the series.
>>748971416Oh wait, it's 'roll' in English, not 'throw' lmao.
>>748962174I just know he was sucking cock for food money and for fun.
>>748970882>>748962174are we really gonna pretend that the whole courtroom drama aspect wasn't a farce from day one? almost like it's there to create a sense of tension so that the player is not sure what sort of scam will be pulled next? if anything, the fact that wright does face repercussion while the others tank that shit most of the time, only highlights how the stacked the deck really is>inb4 muh japanese prosecution and conviction is totally realistic bro
>>748962235Because it's all about spending time with the charactersI don't have that long-ass post about it that tends to get posted in FF7R threads but that's what it's all about, no matter the qualityAs for me, Rayfa sex while slobbering on her armpits
>>748971478Who hasn't sucked dicks for crack money?DICKS
>>748971478After becoming a criminal defence lawyer in an extremely small, shitty firm, I'm surprised Phoenix was able to support himself and Maya with the amount of shit she eats. You get paid fuck all even if you run multiple trials every week.
>>748972087I like her tiny skirt more.
>>748971936The point is AA4 starts off on the premise that Phoenix has a cloud of uncertainty hanging over him as a result of his last case and then he does exactly what he's accused of in your first case working with him. Apollo punches him over it but that's only after it's all said and done, meaning he got away with it.
>>748962174Honestly this plus it not being explained at all in 4 makes it really hard for me to really care about things going back to status quo afterwards, it just doesn't feel earned.GAA2's final case is somewhat like this where the day is saved by Holograms that were never hinted at until this point, I don't care that Hologram tech existed in 18th century britain, i can suspend my disbelief, it's just bad writing to have a deus ex machina save the day.in the case of 4 we have an slightly different, but bigger issue of trying to paint Wright as someone who's become shady and wanting to handle things indirectly, but then this reveal just means he's always been involved the entire time, but he's actually still a hecken good guy like he's always been, this is the kind of stuff I mean when I say 4 just played it way too safe on top of just not wanting to give attention to, well, anything.>>748962210hoping that the weakest final will be fun to watch with the friends we've made along the way, assuming I can remember 10-7-26 is the date.>>748962235I mostly want something new that isn't rehashing tropes and character concepts, but if it's not that, I can do without it.>>748968379Correct but also not because the actual worse game(that I played) was GAA1, if you take 2 into account then the worst game becomes the Layton Crossover.>>748970882one of the things I liked about 5 is that it didn't entirely forget this happened and Apollo uses it as his motivation to not trust Wright in 5-5 and expecting him to cheat just to defend Athena, DD as a whole is mostly a reset on things but it managed to at least have Apollo keep his memories of it.>>748971936This is also why I never saw a future where the Mason system actually became the next thing for the series to follow and wasn't too broken up with it being not a thing in the future, that system would pretty much remove a chunk of the standard court room drama formula. 1/2.
>miles edgeworth is a generational talent>this is signified by his passing the bar at 20 years old>franziska von karma passed at 18, but the game somewhat implies that her father had a hand in that>within 10 years there is a high school for prosecutors turning out snot-nosed prodigies left and right, robbing edgeworth of all credit for his effortThe games got to a point where the setting collapsed under the weight of the game's premise and everything became a joke. I had my fun with the series, but I would actually prefer to never get another title.
>>748972990following up on Mason shit, look at GAA with it's version of a jury system, court cases more or less play out the same with the judge having the final say except sometimes the jury decides to end it early because "I gotta go home to get beaten by my wife", but one jury debate later it's back to business so even when given the chance to put in a Jury, Takumi never radically changed his formula, he just makes slight alters.>>748972934In general 4 does this thing where it wants the entire legal system to be a complete sham so that it can set up the new thing, but again as I mentioned, this never would've been followed up on so the entire thing is compromised from day 1, and that really is the core issue with it sadly.
>>748962235I liked AA6, actually.
>>7489622356 is the best game out of "Apollo's" trilogy.I've been saying this for a long time, but make it a soft reboot.Maybe put it in a near future so they can make up some fictional scientific investigation methods to serve as replacement for magic and spirit mediums
>>748972329powers, edgeworth, lana, max, and probably ron would have all paid handsomelyhe probably wasn't expecting to get anything out of engarde but after de killer was removed from the situation he probably got celebrity rates out of that tooalso the fey clan straight up owns mia's old office, which phoenix moves into as a primary residency, and maya doesn't make him pay rent or property taxes so that's a huge break
>>748962235>Why do you people want an Ace Attorney 7?It's impossible to continue AA story because of all the shit that happened in 4-6. They should just make a new series with the same idea
>>748973754As a game it's a marked improvement over 5 but as an experience to play through it's much more hair-pullingly inane at times.
>>748971443I will rape you
AA7 NEVER
>>748972990>the worst game becomes the Layton CrossoverObjection! The Layton Crossover was kino
1 > 3 = 2 > I1 > 4 > I2 > 6 > G2 > PLvsPW > G1 > 5
>>748976162Having multiples witnesses at the same time was really fun
>>748963479This! The feeling when the music turns and you nail do evidence right twice
>>748976162The game falls apart the second layton logic starts kicking in. It's dogshit.
>>748962235Ace Attorney 2 is shit. Ace Attorney 6 and Great Ace Attorney are some of the best games in the series. And I like Ace Attorney 4.
Does anybody have the picture of the magician asking "Is this your card?" while holding a card that has faggot written on it? I want to redraw it Ace Attorney style.
>>7489763861 > 6 > 4 > I1 > GAA1 > GAA2 > 3 > I2 > 5 > VS > 2
>>748974187Considering that in 4 there was supposed to be an overhaul of the legal system with jury voting and that was never touched on again they can just ignore shit they don't like and still continue.
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>>748968379Growing up I found myself unable to replay GAAeven dual destinies is better, the great ace attorney 1 has to be among the worst VNs I've ever read unironically
Capcom should ship 2-5 before shipping AA7It worked for Warcraft
>>748962235I like indies and inspired games but I still want the OG
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>>748977575I've only played it once (as soon as it was fan translated for the 3DS). Case 3 is kino.
>>748977763If I had to choose between being seen as an incompetent troll or a gay retard with shit taste, I'd probably go with troll. That's just me me though, I don't know how a gay retard with shit taste would feel about it.
>>748962174I assure you it’s quite based
>>748978046case 3 is the highlight of the entire game hands downit's just kinda a shame that the only other decent case is the 5th one, GAA most likely has the most lopsided case quality in the series.
>>748977575>Growing upBait
>>7489796355 years have passed since the official release of the GAA duologyalmost ten since the first case/game got translated on the 3DSsomeone could have been 12, 14, even 18 at the time 9 years is not a short amount of time, growing up in this period is normal
>>748980106Please get underageb&
>>748980671Retard
dual destinies has the best first case in the series.
Thena my beloved wifey...
>>748981623It's actually a huge slog justl ike all 3DS first cases save for GAA2
AAI2 > RftAshes case > 1 > 2 > 3 > AAI 1 > 4 > SoJ > shit > DDSeries needs more cases like Rise from the Ashes and a story structure like AAI2 with some extra filler cases of similar quality like AA1's Case 2.
>>748964947The fact that everyone believed a man a foot taller and with orange skin dressed like Phoenix was him just shows how corrupt the system was. Nobody would truly believe it was him, so it''s obvious that they all pretended to be tricked that way a guilty verdict would be more easily declared.
I know the PLvAA crossover has issues but I liked being in a single town all game and dealing with the townfolk's bullshit all game. AA6 sort of had that with Phoenix in Khurain but it doesn't go all in on it.
>>748976658I'm glad that's what they took away from crossover, and since it was in the Great Ace Attorney, I can hope it's going to be in future mainline games (whenever they come out).
>>748974187I do expect them to reboot AA eventuallyWill start with Phoenix again except Apollo is now around from the start of the story somehow too, just watch
we get the see the cute autistic girl soon
>misham>SHAMidk why it took me 18 years to understand
>>748981953>Series needs more cases like Rise from the AshesThis. When I think of an AA case, the first thing I think of is the culprit. Manfred and Gant were amazing villains that left an impression and are why I remember 1-4 and 1-5 so fondly.
>>748984349on the opposite end of things, cases with fairly boring culprits tend to be on the lower end of things, it really does matter who the culprit is.
>>748962174Thoughts on my Ace Attorney culprit "power" ranking? Anything you think I should change?
>>748985808I'd say 5-2's guy is actually pretty clever and talented with how he executed his entire crimeIt's just that he was beaten to the punch hundreds of years ago.I'd put him around where Tigre is.
I'm currently on 6-5. Why the hell does Apollo have 2 childhood backstories? Isn't he supposed to be Trucy's secret half-brother? Did he just get dumped in a foreign country in between it all? I guess I'll find out, but it feel weird
>>748962174it's better to be wright than wrong
what was mannfred's problem?
>>748986487it's mostly a consequence of every game he's in wanting to focus on other concepts and characters first and himself last, thus we gotta make up a reason for him to have any sort of emotional attachment to what's going on around him.
>>748987184This makes sense. Out of all the prosecutors, he's by far the shittiest and most annoying. Even Athena manages to have loads more personality. Apollo is always just a wet blanket that keeps everything a secret for literally no reason.
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>>748986487It's a meme in the Japanese fanbase that his friend Clay Terran from AA5 was just someone Apollo made up for attention, as no one else but him ever really acknowledges him
Your wife's son likes Ace Attorney.
The great ace attorney duology doesn't respect the playerevery single thing gets interrupted by unskippable animations or transitions, once you notice it you really appreciate the simplicity of the 2D gamesevery character has to react to every little thing that happens, the writing in ace attorney wasn't exactly mature or anything but it really feels juvenile in those games for that reason
>>748991313there is a setting in the options to speed things up but it's turned off by default so you aren't wrong.I still think it's a good duology, but it's just a bigger, longer version of shit we've seen before, I do roll my eyes if people call it fresh or original.
>>748987009autismand the spin-off did a truly horrible job at giving him more characterizationespecially AAI2, edgeworth was already defanged in rise from the ashes but manfred's forgery being attributed to debeste/excelsius was far worse as far as retcons go
>>748976162>>748976721I like it becauseWe finally get a non murder court case.
>final case of AJ>final trial day is 30 minutes long with 3 choices, 2 evidence presents and an easy perceive, don't even get to present a final evidence and pursuit doesn't even play.
>>748962174I bought Ace Attorney trilogy on PS4 a few days back and holy fuck I keep getting roadblocked in Court cases and have to savescum. I NEVER had problems in the DS version as a child until the "Rise From The Ashes" case filtered me so bad I quit but I guess I became more retarded as I got older. I got filtered again by RftA but once Marshal and Gant became Witnesses I somehow made it through flawlessly without needing to savescum.
>>748992432I had to abandon 1-3 when I first played AA because I got stuck on the Studio 2 photo. Just skipped ahead to 1-4 thanks to having a used copy.
>>7489763863 > 1 > I2 > 2 > 6 > GAA2 > VS > I1 > 5 > GAA1 > 4
>>7489924164-4 really reeks of a rushed development time, I honestly can't state if there's a worse finale case, not sure how the stream will go honestly.
>>748992416the final trial was legit just reaffirming everything from the mason system and apollo going "haha yeah i remember"
>>748986487The devs quite literally admit they set it in Khurain bc Maya and Apollo’s just there. Gotta kill two birds with one stone ig
>>748968379I didn't enjoy JFA at all so I disagree
>>748990576I have no idea why they burned the same bridge twice. It's particularly irritating because if they hadn't memed it up with Clay Terran Apollo's backstory wouldn't really be "all that bad". His "childhood backstory" iteration on SoJ is vastly superior and more realized to whatever the fuck they did on DD. I often forget it even happened.
GAA1 and 2 are kino. But I'm a weirdo who liked the jury segments.
>>748987184I mean a lot of this isn’t Apollo’s fault but the writers shoehorning Phoenix in and then later Athena. DD wanted to please everyone but ended up pleasing no one. The games treat Apollo like trash and the writers are like “oh shit we gotta have him do something.”Bringing back Phoenix was bad enough but adding a third new lawyer on top of everything was really stupid. The funny thing is the devs wanted to have FIVE lawyers initially. If only we had a proper followup to AJ.
Apollo Justice has the worst 3rd and final case in the series
>>748993310Clay Terran is just a plot device to make Apollo relevant. Eshiro wanted to bring back Phoenix and probably would have killed him off if he could.DD is just an attempt to badly pander to the fans of the original trilogy without letting characters grow. “Adult” Pearl is literally the same character as her kidself.
>>748993767>DD is just an attempt to badly pander to the fans of the original trilogy without letting characters grow. “Adult” Pearl is literally the same character as her kidself.Some people got pissy over how Phoenix and Ema acted in AA4, with how they developed compared to how they were compared to the games before the timeskip.
>>748993534Pretty much yeah, his character was doomed from the get go due to that, as i mentioned before there's no way we'd ever get a proper follow up because nobody actually wants that because it'd require changing the court room drama format.the game was doomed to fail in its goal the moment early in development it was established that phoenix needed to return, and then the game never got the dev time it needed afterwards.>>748993959To be fair the biggest issue with Ema is 4 is that she doesn't have a character arc, which is shared with a lot of 4's characters granted, but compare to Gumshoe, she's the same character from her introduction to her last scene.Hell if anything her being Ema is doing a lot of heavy lifting regarding her being remotely likeable, if you were to make her appearance in 4 a brand new character, further yet, an unappealing male, any kind of potential charm would go up to smoke.With that said I think it'd still be funny if the detective of 4 was some fat bald disgruntled science expert, but I know I'm in a minority because he still wouldn't have a character arc.
Am I the only one who would prefer an Apollo game set in Khurain over an Athena game in Japanifornia? Apollo has more interesting goals like reforming a country’s legal system to work with. Having another “rookie grows into competent lawyer” story feels kinda lame.
>>748994664I'd be down with that just because it has more potential to be unique, it also means that they can't (or shouldn't) reuse the evil queen plot angle.
>>748976785>Ace Attorney 2 is shit.You're not wrong.
Also next game might be weirdly influenced by Persona and FE3H. Shu Takumi mentioned he and his wife got addicted to 3H in particular.
>>748994284The problem is Gumshoe doesn't really progress either, the only police side of things character that mildly changed was Edgeworth and that's because he had to be saved by Wright and found out his mentor killed his father and intended to frame him for it in the most insane way possible.
>>748994284I think AJ Ema has more going for her than teen Ema. Teen Ema is the most shameless Maya expy by far.
>>748993959>>748994284Ema was basically in a miserable rut since she would not be happy until she got into forensics.The real problem was 4-3 when she went along with the retarded theory.
>>748995154He changed a fair amount in 1 going from outright hostile to begging Wright to save Edgeworth and getting into trouble just to do so.It's not as much as it could be, but it's a clear and established Arc, which isn't what Ema has, which is what I'm saying, because there isn't much there to begin with, that's why changes are allowed to happen. 4 does this thing where all it's original characters get set up with promises of "we'll be developed in the next game guys, one more phoenix game, trust the plan, takumi predicted this" and because Capcom decided to put him on Layton duty for 6 years this never actually happened.that's a lot of text to say "4 screwed 4, and not whatever came after it">>748995465that I will agree with and I don't think it's a bad direction to take her character, it's just she remains that same character so she started the trend of people looking at half baked, underdeveloped detectives and going "WHERE'S GUMESHOE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!" that we still see today.>>748995543This also really hurts her and is a prime example of why 4's insistence of following the same character tropes works against it's initial concept of "a brand new era", where she's made actively stupid because she's the detective now, and detective's can't be smart or progress the plot forward on their own.I remember being floored on a replay of 4-3 where I was reminded "Oh Ema was right there with the victim's dying moments and saw the state of the room literally seconds before the shooter fled, and she still came up with a dumb ass theory that she herself could've dis-proven if she remembered that she witnessed the victim dying.Alternatively going back to Gumshoe, he develops because Edgeworth develops and those two characters are attached to each other, Klavier (present) is already a fully developed character, therefore there's no room for Ema to change because these two are tied to the hip as prosecutor and detective.
so why did Shu set up the prosecutor's office to be crooks in 1-2 and never brought it up again? do we just accept Edgy was in cahoots with the Judge?
>>748997643isn't that brought up more than a few times?
>>748997643>>748998708The prosecutor's office was always varying levels of corrupt, the problem is they retconned the fuck out Edgeworth's malfeasance when the guy outright engages in witness tapering in his introduction both by changing his motive to wanting the truth and not jailing everyone and the forged evidence rep being retconned in 1-5.
Out of the way faggots, best witness coming through.
>>748962210Fuck fuck fuck
>>748998867you can at least headcanon that edgeworth DID actually forge evidence (while denying it because why the fuck would anybody admit to that) and just grew out of it as his character development progressed
>>748972990>GAA2's final case is somewhat like this where the day is saved by Holograms that were never hinted at until this point, I don't care that Hologram tech existed in 18th century britain, i can suspend my disbelief, it's just bad writing to have a deus ex machina save the day.In fairness the holograms didn't actually meaningfully change anything, they were just there to make the climax more visually interesting (the writers could've just had Holmes speaking to you over the radio the whole time and the climax would still play out the same). The REAL bullshit was him livestreaming the trial to the Queen.
>>748999981Yeah that's what I was saying, or meant to say.Even that could've worked if Ryu was in on the plan but he wasn't so it really does come off as "oh thank god Holmes is a genius and could save us".
>>748999819He might have after the fact, but for SL-9, Gant is the one who gave Edgeworth the forged evidence.They pulled similar shit in AAI2 with Von Karma where he was put into the sitution where he had to extract a confession since Winner gave him a fake autopsy report so the case wasn't water tight.
>>748962174>hands susato, his career, and his prized family sword to ryunosuke>even wears a phantom of the opera maskdon't know if it gets much more overt than this.
>>749001123the entire plotline surrounding this guy, the "reveal" or the huge amount of wasted time and fake hype propelling him up before we faced against him in the courtroom made me hate asougi and dragged down GAA2 as a whole
>>748999981wasnt she just listening to it over the radio
>>749001425Nope. Video too.
>>748962174Is Misty Fey in the files?
AA7 when?
