>>748964212The gameplay is repetitive shit!
>>748964212*chainsaws for magic ammo*
>>7489642122016 is still the greatest DOOM game.
>>748964212Yes we know /v/, great games are Dispatch, Life is Strange and Danganronpa./v/ has the taste in videogames of a teenage girl
>>748964212All the modern doom games are great!
>>748964394>the greatest Doom game is Eternal but slower, easier and with less enemiesThe title of best Doom game is shared by two megawads: Sunder and Quantum Strike
>>748964329>*chainsawsAll the kill modes (I forget what is what now) only exist to generate >Free HP>Free Armor>Free AMMOBasically the game lets you infinitely play the arena. The result is that literally EVERY arena is the same. Every arena spawns dog shit demons/zombies to only exist for you to get HP/armor/ammo and it is bizarre as fuck.No need to manage resources or anything simply use your abilities to get free everything forever.And every arena is the same shit where you run around in a circle and demons will never hit you if you stand still they turn into snipers and parkour or magic-teleport behind you to kill you. Even the super fat mancubus turns into a parkour maniac if you stand still for 1 minute.
>>748964398>If you do not like X modern slop you must love Y modern slopThere where no good games in years!
>>748964697/v/ has spent 6 years seething daily about Eternal while slurping up games made for women.It's obvious that this is because /v/ is a gathering of turbo casuals.Not even gonna mention the gacha slurpers.And thank god nu/v/ has yet to discover Titanfall 2, CS 1.6 or Doom wads, otherwise the seething would never end.
>>748964212Not reading all that shit
>>748964212>the Marauder is shitFiltered, if there's something Eternal needed was to be way more difficult, like having an arena full of Marauders like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLYWp2iT3y0
>>748964329>>748964212>>748964643Forgot to mention whoever the fuck made Eternal was obsessed with fighting games(or dark souls) this is so painfully obvious.>Dodge>Block>Dodge>Block>EvadeIs all you do in fighting games.And he wanted to bring this way of playing to a shooter. This is painfully obvious in Eternal however escalates to infinity in Dark Ages!>>748964943>>the Marauder is shit>Filtered, And you are debunked see above. The Marauder is literally a dancing game and quick time event nothing more! Do you think this shit belongs in a shooter? >Dude what if the most boring shit in the game only more of itIt is not fun to do that shit see MP4.>Dude dude dude what if you need to dance in the right place to trigger the enemy to make an attack that only then makes it vulnerable??? Bring shit, do not place this in a shooter.
>>748965206Yes, in such a game every mistake should be heavily punished.The trick to making a fun FPS is making a hard FPS.Though ideally Doom should mix Eternal with slaughter map level design.
>>748964212Calling it shit is a bit much, but yes it's a disappointment and while 2016 gave me hope that the series might be moving in the right direction again, Eternal convinced me that it's totally off the rails and I don't think it's going to be improving unless it's rebooted yet again at some point in the future, by different people.
>>748965374>this slow ass console shooter gave me hopeFor what, 2016 was closer to COD than Doom.
>>748964943????>Shoots the maraudersDoes this retard not understand that this literally does no damage?>Shoots the marauder and spawns the dogs all over the placeThe dog will never come out if you never shoot the shield !>Runs in the same circle 20 times WOW my point exactly! Do you zoomers not understand how retarded and boring this is?Or do you think this is deep strategy? Look at this retard he shot the lock-on rockets at the marauder (this is retarded) and all of this does ZERO damage since the marauder blocks it all with his shield ! Is this what excites you zoomeroids>WOW this is so cool I am doing PEW PEW with my guns!PS: How the fuck is he getting is ammo? His shotgun ammo magically comes back to 20 with no way for him to get more of it?Is this another mod to the game? Did he also mod the marauders to not have their ridiculous invulnerability or dash away from grenades?
>>748965294>every mistake should be heavily punished.Where are you getting this shit from zoomer?I play games for fun not to get discord bragging points!>every mistake should be heavily punished.Then your game should not only make you lose after you take 1 hit it should also quit the game and perma brick it so you can never play it again.
>>748966063He's killing them via splash damage.>Look at this retard he shot the lock-on rockets at the marauder (this is retarded) and all of this does ZERO damage since the marauder blocks it all with his shield !You can make them move the shield away if you are close enough and fire the missiles from an angle
>>748966180Back to Kotaku, journalist
>>748964212>4chan screenshot threadStay.
>>748966207>[This level of damage control]Did you get exposed for using a modded version of the game that lets you do things that are impossible in the base game?The shotgun ammo magically turns from 8 to 20 between weapon swaps. This is simply a modded version of the game not a custom map.You run out of ammo if you try this in the real game you will need to chainsaw zombies making the fight x20 longer.>He's killing them via splash damage.Shooting him like this will not do any damage in the real game.You can try.>splash damageNo! Shot to the shield will not give any if it is shot. try it for yourself in the real game. >You can make them move the shield away if you are close enough and fire the missiles from an angleNo you literally can not!>missiles from an angleif you use lock-on this is impossible!
>>748965485After Doom 3 where the series became more about horror moments where the scary enemies take so long to spawn in you can just walk up to the animation and shotgun them in the face before they even move, 2016 was certainly not ideal but it seemed like it might lead into something more like classic Doom. Again, 2016 wasn't really it, but I hoped that it would be the first step of the series returning to its roots and that its sequel would get even closer. Basically what I was hoping for was the kind and quality of level design you see in good WADs but with the production value a proper studio can provide with a modern engine, clearly 2016 did not deliver but it at least seemed to be closer to it than the direction they took with Doom 3.Then Eternal released, it dialed the gay Fisher Price plastic demon toy aesthetic up to 11, gameplay was effectively completely and utterly divorced from classic Doom and of course, basically every combat encounter was a fucking arena, which made it incredibly, INCREDIBLY gay and lame. This made it fully obvious that the series was not, in fact, moving in a direction that would bring it closer to its roots, that the people making it weren't even attempting such a thing and would never, ever actually attempt it, if anything it felt more like they understood Doom by internet memes about it rather than by playing 1 & 2 themselves and as such I gave up on it entirely.
>>748964212He's not wrong. I wonder what he thought of Dark Ages and Revelations.
>>748966261>Back to Kotaku, journalistKotaku loves Eternal!
>>748964212Man I wish we could get another doom eternal. Obviously it made waves considering /v/ still makes daily seethe threads after all this time, only thing that comes close is dark souls 2
>>748964212It's just a Bop It in videogame form.You don't need that many words, dude.
>>748966634>Again, 2016 wasn't really it, but I hoped that it would be the first step of the series returning to its roots and that its sequel would get even closer. Basically what I was hoping for was the kind and quality of level design you see in good WADs but with the production value a proper studio can provide with a modern engine, clearly 2016 did not deliver but it at least seemed to be closer to it than the direction they took with Doom 3.This!2016 was flawed however OK. Eternal terrible.>This made it fully obvious that the series was not, in fact, moving in a direction that would bring it closer to its roots, that the people making it weren't even attempting such a thingSee: >>748965206Eternal and Dark ages basically want to be a fighting game with some retarded blocking mechanics and dancing with the demons.1/2
>>748967195>>7489666342/2>every combat encounter was a fucking arenaI do not think you understand how extra special eternal is. These are not normal arenas it is literally 10% of what an arena shooter arena would look like and literally the only way to win it is to run around in a circle in this tiny ass arena over the same path(literally only 2 ways to circle the arena) and doing this fake on rails shooter and only stopping to harvest demons for HP, Armor and ammo. It is unbelievably repetitive and literally the only solution they have to give any strategy is to give pokemon weaknesses to every demon type.>Whats this the burst shot on the shotgun is useless?>Here the DLC made a stone gargoyle that can tank every shot except the burst shot who is super effective! >Whats this the plasma beam is useless>Here the DLC made an new enemy the ghost who you can only kill by using the plasma beam! IT IS UNBELIEVABLY BORING! Like incredibly repetitive!Instead of simply going>Oh that weapon is useless>Lets keep it in and let players decide.>Not everything needs to be perfectly balanced!They did go>Nooo every weapon must be equal! It must be equally valid and equally effective!>Here is a bullshit enemy that can only be damaged effective with the guns you never used!
>>748964212We know. The result was their following game (woke ages) selling like crap and the studio faced massive layoffs, and risks being shut down to this day.
Pretty done arguing with slowfag boomies about Eternal myself, but just came here looking for game recs from other Eternal fans. Anything I'm missing? (besides Dark Ages, I don't really feel like upgrading my rig for one singular game)
Every doom game is good
>>748967292I agree! HoweverWoke can never go broke, they simply collect more diversity trophies and get free investor money. No one needs to even buy their games at this point they still get showered in money.
i'm not reading all thatdoom with cutscenes every 5 seconds is shitbreaking news OP
>>748967460How the fuck do you think Eternal and Serious Sam TFE is even in the same ballpark is something I never understand! >DOOM 1&2 = outdated>Duke 3D = OutdatedYIKES zoomie!>DOOM 1&2 = bad AIAre you insane zoomeroid?!The AI in these games is so complicated it is unreal. The monster infighting or how exactly they function Eternal has the simplest and most repetitive AI imaginable literally go to player and spam the same moves! >Quake 2 = decent>HL2 = unplayableLike how? I am no HL 2 fanboy however how do you justify this?
>>748967460here's a suggestion for posting that tier list unironically
>>748964212Eternal was flawed, but still better than the other two Bethesda games by a large margin. Only Dark Ages' DLC comes close, and does fix some things that Eternal got wrong, but is far too short and lacks replayability.
>>748964212Doom Eternal is pretty good. Better than 2016 and Doom 3.
>>748967863>classic doom 1/2>The AI in these games is so complicated it is unreallol>HL 2 Awful movie game, someone post the webm.
>>748968837>Only Dark AgesIs so shit that people did not even bother pirating it.MS literally advertised it in the windows start menu and people did not buy! >Eternal was flawedIt is a generic game. However it is so repetitive and boring and repetitive that after finishing you feel bad and ask yourself why you ever played it in the first place.>>748968905>Better than 2016This is imposible!
>>748968980>lolDid you have a stroke? Can you explain how the monsters work in DOOM 2? Like tell me their logic? You can not because of how complicated they are.>b-b-b- they run awayThis is a good thing!This makes the encounters interesting and fresh if they where simple they simply all chose the shortest path and walk up to you and never stop walking up to you and attacking you.Very boring and very simple. >lolDid you ignore that you can make monsters fight one another giving more variety and fun to the combat?
>eternal is repetitive and generic>but not 20162016fags have no sense of introspection.
>>748969294>>eternal is repetitiveYes.>but not 2016Sorry when in 2016 did you solve every arena the same way? By literally running in a circle?>2016fags 2016 is FLAWED! However better then Eternal. DOOM 1&2 >>>> 2016 (AKA DOOM COD) >>> DOOM 3 >>>>>> Eternal
>>748969469>Sorry when in 2016 did you solve every arena the same way? By literally running in a circle?Literally every single fight, especially in the second half after it's done introducing new enemies and weapons.
>>748969285>be melee enemy>can't even path to the player to attack them in the range you are effective in>boomie declares that enemies having the ai of a literal headless chicken is actually a good thingBoomies don't want real enemies, they want targets. The sad part is at least games such as DMC let you do combos, in classic doom all you get is hold left click and afk.
Pinkies are good because they take up space and don't have a projectile attack to interrupt their pursuit. Even in >>748968980, they're blocking progression. It literally doesn't matter if they're retreating because you won't get past them.Enemies in Doom are obstacles.
What is the best Nu-Doom game? Never played one.
>>748969696>actuallly having enemies do literally nothing is good... because you have to shoot them to progress. Name the difference between a bunch of breakable crates that can move around and pinkies, Classic Doom is a joke, pinkies are not even qualified to be called an actual enemy.
Eternal was mid. It spreads itself too thin with a bunch of mediocre game mechanics that just feel tedious. Doom was unironically better the more simplistic the gameplay loop is. That’s why the originals are timeless and 2016 was the best of the modern titles. Pick up any gun and shoot demons in hell
>>748969879GZDoom VR
>>748969879Eternal, easily
>>748969469Doom 1&2 is gay maze shit. Well, mainly Doom II.
>>7489642123/4 of this board is just gooning over a bunch of faggy anime games, what makes you think anyone here has the mental capacity to play an fps?
>>748964212Doom 2016 kept my attention long enough to finish the game on my first go around, I finished Doom Eternal but only after my second attempt of playing it and I got bored of it very quickly, way too much platforming IMO, and the circular arena's are lame as fuck
>>7489701152016 had platforming and it was way worse.
>>748969548>[I evade the question]Looks like I won the debate then.>b-b-b-b-Let me repeat the questionCan you explain how the monsters work in DOOM 2? Like tell me their logic? You can not because of how complicated they are.If you fail to answer this you lost the debate officially.>b-bb-b- boomie Shh child the point is to have a fun game. And this is fun do you also bitch the Goombas are so retarded that they will walk down into their own death? >can't even path to the player to attack them in the range you are effective inYou realize how trivially fast that is to program? Do you have any idea how easy it is to code in any engine? Literally1 Check if you are facing the player;2 If not correct to face him;3 Move forward.;4 Goto 1;Dead simple. Do you know what is required to program in monster infighting?>b-b-b-b- that is unrealisticSo is the demons attacking others if they shot them. However it makes for fun combat. >b-b-b-b-b- the range you are effective inYou can literally punch and walk backwards to never get bitten by a pinky demon. This is what we call FUN and you can play the entire game never using it or knowing it exists!
>>748967460I've never seen someone with such terrible opinions, this has to be some weird bait/false flag
>>748970180Yes, it had platforming, no it wasn't worse, there was a lot less of it compared to Eternal.
>>748970276https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/%20WIP%20fps%20tier%20list/It is. He's been posting/updating it for years.
>>748970341Yes, it was way worse. The jumping and mantling was clunky, air control needed some stupid COD challenge to unlock, and it had an entire level designed around it with moving platforms and waiting for obstacles to pass.And if you failed a jump or the mantle didn't activate, you instantly died.
>>748969912>pinkiesFun fact all demons in classic doom are a joke. The real threat are the zombies because they have hit scan weapons! >bunch of breakable crates that can move around and pinkiesPinkies can damage you.>b-b-b-b-If you do not deal with them they can become a problem.>b-b-b-b-Because you where supposed to kill the zombie-man first! >b-b-bb-It was fun shooting them!
>>748964212Bro. When you have been trying to smear something for years and still it don't work then maybe it's because you are wrong. No matter for how many more years you continue crying Doom Eternal will forever be one of the greatest FPS games ever made.
>>748970432You have one or two levels as an example for Doom 2016, the entirety of Doom Eternal has the same amount as that one level every level, with dozens of gay air dashes and even more moving parts.
>>748970541>the entirety of Doom Eternal has the same amount as that one level every levelYou never played it.
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>>748970432Not that anon however.The best Eternal fags have is shitting on the FLAWED 2016 game.LMFAO!>Noo 2016 was worseLOL. The point is that 2016 while FLAWED(something everyone will say) did not frustrate and bore you so much as Eternal. Eternal is literally walk in a circle, shoot and farm demons for HP, Ammo and armor.
>>748970252>You can literally punch and walk backwards to never get bitten by a pinky demonYes, that was half the point of the webm I posted, pinkies are not real enemies and their AI consists of walking back and forth where they die while accomplishing nothing. In games with actually complicated AI, the melee enemies don't merely chases (which is already a large upgrade compared to pinkies), but actually calculate where the player is headed in order to cut them off. Whiplashes are even more advanced than this and are actually designed to intentionally flank the player from the sides/behind.>>748970438>Pinkies can damage you.Pinkies can't even damage you when you intentionally walk into their face and then hold the walk key to move as slowly as possible>>748968980. Face reality already, they are not real enemies.
>>748970628Your complains about Eternal also apply to the game you're defending.
>>748970464>No matter for how many more years you continue crying Doom Eternal will forever be one of the greatest FPS games ever made.Fun fact zoomie.All the hype for Eternal was literally the Bethesda marketing team+ their bots shitting up /v/. There was a handful of autists who made eternal their life and some zoomers like you who got memed into it.After Dark Ages was released they did shill Eternal a little however after the failure of dark ages the shilling stopped. All we have left are zoomers like you who got memed into this game.
The story/lore also took a giant shit in eternal >inb4 no one cares about the story in doomObviously the devs did and wanted the player to as well. The whole “doom slayer” shit is cringy. He was better as just some random pissed off marine.The forces of hell being this weird alien-demon hybrid thing took out a lot of the charm, same thing with the alien-angel race. I mean fuck, eternal’s dlc had the tone of a marvel movie in the worst possible way
>>748964212>Doom EternalI find it so interesting that these popular video game franchises have all conveniently reached the number 6.>GTA>Far Cry>Elder Scrolls>DOOM>Battlefield>Persona>Halo>Street Fighter>Hitman>MGS>Armored Core>Super Smash Bros>Bloons TD>Serious Sam>Devil May Cry>Forza Horizon>Dead or Alive>Kingdom RushAll announcing the mark of the beast. Revelation 13:17-18 KJVAnd that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Honourable mention:>Resident Evil 9 (upside down 6)>Dying Light The Beast>Final Fantasy 16
>>748964212It was disappointing, and to this day I'm unsure if the weird fanboys who made the game their personality are trolling or genuine.
>>748970583The tutorial levels of Doom Eternal has more platforming than Doom 2016, this pattern continues until the end of the game. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by sticking your head in the sand.
>>748970853Only on 4chan will you find god squadders insane enough to pull out their apocalypse sandwich board and begin preaching their schizo beliefs. Not videogames, fuck off.
>>748970975Can't believe Doom Eternal fags are so ass damaged they need to send some bot here to derail the thread.
>>748970975Nobody plays video games here.
>>748970868Genuine. I hate using Reddit as a way to describe things. But for lack of better terms, Eternal through and through was made for the Reddit audience
>>748970761See: >>748969285Looks like I officially WON the debate!>b-b-b-b-Here was the question>Can you explain how the monsters work in DOOM 2? Like tell me their logic? You can not because of how complicated they are.You never answered that one.You can not explain how these classic monsters work. Yu can not explain monster infighting.>b-b-b- myDude that is literally the monster randomly deciding to fuck off into a corner and I do not think that ever happens in the real game probably more modded nonsense. Not that anyone know since for all we know the monster can decide to circle strafe around you and it looks identical because every arena in Eternal is so tiny and small! You lost the debate! You where challenged! And you evaded answering it!
>>748971205Mindbroken and mentally dominated.
>>748970868>his day I'm unsure if the weird fanboys who made the game their personality are trolling or genuine.It is actually fascinating to think about these peopel.I think these are some autists who for some reason got boosted by the algorithm (because bethesth wanted to boost pro Eternal content on YT).
>>748970946You have literally never played the game.
>>748971278>Mindbroken and mentally dominated.You do not need to congratulate me more on winning the debate.A challenge was made and you failed to answer it.You literally can not explain how monsters work in classic doom. Whatever gay shit you pull out of Eternal is nothing to WTF is going on in monster infighting or how exactly do these monsters move around?Classic doom monsters are incredibly complicated in their AI. And the game is fun for this.
>>748971441I'm not the one who's clearly delusional and thinks Doom Eternal has less platforming. I already stated, the tutorial level has more platforming in Doom Eternal, this is fact.No one likes swinging on monkey bars or air dashing to chains and walls, especially when it becomes a major point in level traversal rather than for secrets.
>>748971657You telling lies is not stating a fact.
>>748971449The ai was already shown in video form, actions speak much louder than words.
>>748971762So you are stating that Doom Eternals early levels have less jumping needed than Doom 2016?lol
>>748971860Than the entirety of the game? You're fucking retarded.
>>748970845All of this>He was better as just some random pissed off marine.Especially this!>The story/lore also took a giant shit in eternal>Obviously the devs did and wanted the player to as well.I can not agree more!>The whole “doom slayer” shit is cringy.There is 2016 slayer and then there is the absolute cringe shit of Eternal slayer!Like jesus fuck!> of a marvel movieNo it is WORSE.The story is literally>And Samuel Hayden is an angel named Samael JESUS FUCK DID YOU STEAL THE CRINGE LORE THEORY VIDEOS BEFORE THIS GAME WAS MADE! >The Slayer killed god!>And then he killed the devil who is also god and looks like him!Like jesus fuck the cringe hurts!It is obvious they wanted to make the slayer the winner of every power scaling death battle or some shit JESUS FUCK! >Also VEGA is also god!I died!>And Vega fits on a flash drive and can be plugged into anything to workYou know what I liked in the 2016 lore? Hayden this guy talks in a cool robot voice and you see him and you go>WOW what is up with that>Is he a robot? It is the future did they elect a robot?And you realize he was some human whose body was eaten by cancer so he used his money to save his brain and you go>Oh that is coolAnd then they get this retarded retcon that he was pretending to be a human and pretending to have cancer and pretending to needing a robot body because clearly he is their angel thing.Fucke cringe! You also notice they retconed VEGA in 2016 it is all>Oh we needed to build this server farm/super computer to house VEGA>He is like super big and needs this cooling or he gets hotter then the surface of the sun! And you are like cool this makes sense and then in Eternal it is>Actually he fits on a flash drive that can download him in 3 nanoseconds!1/3
brutally mogged in every gameplay, aesthetic and narrative department by a game that isnt even finished
>>748972984>>748970845And how they retconed agent energy. It was OK when it was some magic demon energy that exists in hell.And now it is>muh harvesting humans>Muh human souls>Muh needing a factory to process>... transform into demonsYou know what was cool in 2016? That Hayden while painted as this bad guy by the game was actually right if Earth can not survive because all energy is out then you closing the hell portal results in billions dead from starvation. This makes sense.In Eternal it is literally>LOL I hate Argent energy LOLAnd this point is never brought up! Like WTF? And the whole Dantes inferno shit in hell is cringe like Dante was cringe.>So there is this 1 judge who judges souls>And this 1 factory who harvests soulsLike did the writers have any idea how many souls will end up in hell? Like the judge will need to process a million people every second or some shit! And only 1 factory?Also how does any of this even work?Do the demons need to place live humans there? Or are souls literally canon in the universe and they have some soul harvesting machines?If the machines are canon .... how long after death do they need to harvest the souls? Like what is the time limit here?Adding after life to anything is always cringe!It would be far more cool if they made DOOM 3 hell canon with Argent.Like hell is real and it is some hell raiser shit filled with twisting dimensions and endless demon and endless argent energy. You can tap into hell and harvest the energy however demons can come threw the portal or wispier things to humans. And why not make the Argent polluted with like negative energy(demonic) or some shit? Like you need to filter it and remove the evil mojo or the argent will quite literally fuck everything like make the machines demonic who feed on it something like DOOM 3 mixed with Event Horizon. 2/3
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>>748973090both games are fun
>>748973129>>748970845not this comedy of demons placing human ????(bodies???) in a tower under blankets and after 100s of years their souls are drained and after 500 years of this husk laying around in hell it becomes a new demon.And the angel shit is retarded as fuck>Angels can not stop into heaven nor angel into hellOK what happens if I push the super angel into hell?>Bla BLa BLa>Kan Maker Angel BLa BLA BLAWhat is her deal>BLA BLA BLA>Hive mind>BLA BLA BLA This literally makes no sense since another Angel is independent>BLA BLA BLA Father>BLA BLA BLA Regenerations Did anyone understand that shit?And after we remove all the cringe all the lore what is left? A incredibly repetitive and boring game?
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>>748970770>you're defending.LOL.However>also apply to the game you're defending.Remind me when in 2016 did you have the chainsaw on a cool down all the time and where able to spam it to get free ammo?
>>748971836Like I was saying there is no need to congratulate me more on my victory.>The ai was already shown in video formYou did not explain shit about DOOM 2 AI retard!
>>748971048>>748970853Aww why was the schizo banned he was so interesting.I did not read any of his schizo shit only glanced it in the corner of my eye. Was interesting to see this level of schizophrenia.I did not see it last time some schizo tried obsessing over NWO and stand and then did go to cubes and hexagons and jupiter. >>748971048OR 4chan has actual schizos and because this is not reddit with accounts etc after banning him for 4 days he comes back to shitpost. This is no reddit where you need 60 days of posting to even make a thread etc. Or the mods shadow banning you so you basically talk to yourself. Come to think of it is all of reddit not full of schizos who are shadow banned and they are basically spotting their schizophrenia to themselves and whoever checks the records at reddit?
>>748964212>muh varietyOpinion discarded
>>748973370Boring post.
>>748967460All things considered Post Void and Hyper Demon should be higher on tier list
>>7489642122016>1>2>eternal>3>dark ages
>>748964212I feel like this about all modern Doom games. I tried DOOM 2016 twice and refunded it both times. Tried watching some gameplay videos of the sequels and nearly fell asleep.
I recently played the Ancient Gods 1 and am about to play the second oneGod damn that was miserable, why did each arena have to last like 15 minutes?I hope the 2nd part is better
>>748974670You caught me on two games I debate about frequently with myself, also Killbug. >Post VoidPost Void was a lovely bit of fun, but I placed it there mostly because while I am not entirely against short games, this was a bit much since there isn't much replayability potential. Once you figure the game out, every run is basically the exact same regardless of gun and you never feel like you can lose. I think I got something like 60-90 minutes out of it, which is 60-90 minutes of fun more than most games, but I left it down there due to that issue. I guess if I rated it purely for that 60-90 minute duration it could go up two-three tiers. It's just a bit shallow I guess and for that I rated it lower. >Hyper DemonThis one is a bit of a personal take, and plays a bit into why Killbug is lower than it ought to be as well --- both are beginning to lose the meaning of being a shooter. It is why I had to put Ghostrunner outside the chart, its a first person movement game, not really a shooter. In Hyper Demon the majority of the game is just playing Mario jumping on enemies, and what shooting there is... is shooting lasers at the ground instead of the enemies. Another gripe I have with Hyper Demon is the visual vomit on the screen, I personally cannot stand games where you are unable to see what is happening. It's a big issue to me, and pic related is Hyper Demon half the game. Is it playable? Yeah. Do I want to play a game where half the time my screen is like that? No. I suppose if the list wasn't primary about shooting, it would go up a tier. If you could turn off the screen sludge, then maybe it would also be a perfect game, although I don't like shooting the ground to hurt enemies personally.
>>748964212doom eternal is just doom 2 with 2020 graphics and a cringe story on crack i love doom eternaldark ages is cringe tho
>>748975558>I hope the 2nd part is betterIt only gets worse. Wait until you get the ghost enemy!!!!
>>748975902>doom eternal is just doom 2 with 2020 graphicsWRONG.>It is doom 2Lets see.>Get locked in a small ass arenanot in doom 2>Need to run in a circle or the demons will kill younot in doom 2>Demons have Pokemon style weaknesses to specific gunsnot in doom 2>Farm demons with ice grande, glory kill, flame and chainsaw to regenerate all thingsnot in doom 2Lets see>Totally open map where you actually do not need to fight any demon (outside boss maps) and can simply walk to the exitNot in eternal>Ability to get monster infightingNot in eternal>interesting monster AINot in eternalConsider yourself debunked.
>>748967460this is a very strange combination of correct and incorrect opinionsdeadlink is great but roboquest is better, although they aren't far apartQ1 is basically perfect, Q2 is trashHL1 and Hedon belong much higher, metroid prime and eternal belong much lower (i don't hate eternal, it's just not even close to perfect)i will stand by your placement of rage 2 though, even if others who haven't played it balk because of the cover art offending them
>>748964212My penis has been megasphered
>>748975902>doom eternal is just doom 2 with 2020 graphics and a cringe storyMy nigga this is possibly the dumbest post on this topic that anyone has made, ever, and that includes the OP.
>>748976904>deadlink is great but roboquest is betterWhat makes you say that? Roboquest is quite a bit more shallow as it lacks the resource management and enemy interactions to really create great combat encounters. It is a fine game that I like, but Deadlink's combat is much more cohesive. >Q1 is basically perfect, Q2 is trashQ1 is anything but perfect, the roster list is unvaried and small, the rooms and corridors are much too small to use the movement properly (strafe jumping was never planned for by the devs, never intended), and the weapon list is equal to the roster in terms of lacking fulfillment. Q2 are least opens the levels a bit more, and the enemies try to duck your bullets. Not saying Q2 was better than Q1, but it the boomies who hate on it don't think for themselves. >HL1HL1's only good aspect is having a few fun meme weapons, the enemies are jobbers or hitscan spammers and the arenas are awful. >HedonA doom mod should be happy it even got that high. >i will stand by your placement of rage 2 though, even if others who haven't played it balk because of the cover art offending themRage 2 was a very pleasant surprise, I went in expecting an absolute travesty based on /v/'s take of it, but it was much better than I anticipated.
>>748969791Jej, glad this still gets posted.
>>748964212Doom 2016 was pretty great. Eternal and Dark Ages suck monkey fuck fucking le epic hecking awesome reddit horseshit
>>748973090Both are shit and have horrendous level design.
doom 2016 was one of the worst things of all timethe game PROMISED in the beginning that there wasnt gonna be story AND EVERYONE THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT GONNA HAPPENand then:>le robot hell man using LE HELL ENERGY FOR LE MONEY XD!!!>crazy girl haha watch ot time to unlesash hell XDDDwe couldnt have fucking le doomguy just kill the fucking demonswhat an evil peice of shitand yes doom eternal (and doom 2016 for that part altho doom eternal is more arenas) is literally tiny nigger repetivie arenas where you just endless side strafe and just spam bullshit
>>748973090Shit maps
>>748964212Yeah I'm lukewarm on Eternal. I got it on sale and started it but took a break and just haven't gotten back to it. I suppose now is the right time of year but currently I'm replaying Doom 3 and it's a chore to get to the good weapons. I think I was too conservative with the good weapons on my first playthrough so I spent a lot of time with the SMG and that suckass shotgun and didn't have a great time. Even the super shotgun in the DLC sucked ass. I'm hoping that if I just stick to the rocket launcher, plasma gun and chaingun I'll have a better experience. You lose all your gear and ammo when you go to hell so it's not like there's a point in keeping it.
>>748977013same
>>748973130Guy went full schizo for 0 (zero) replies.
>>748980461LOL it is named writing a long post zoom zoom.And then breaking it up because because 4chan has a character limit.You need to quit your tiktoks they ruined your attention span!
>>748970352>goes back 4 yearsman people here really are pathetic huh
>>748982146Why are you larping as if you haven't been here for longer than that? Most people on 4cuck in the current year+11 have been shitposting here for over a decade.
>>748964212tldr
>>748964943That player is just mindlessly circle strafing while spamming explosives on the ground. He doesn't even make an effort to dodge the marauders attacks even when he does see them coming, he just keeps going through the motions even as he takes critical damage that could have easily been avoided if he wasn't on autopilot.
>>748967460trash lol
>>748964212it do be like dat doe
The gunplay in Doom Eternal is amazing although I wish weapons were more "focused" in design and didn't have as many gimmick mods (The super shotgun is perfect because of how simple its one mod is). I'm a big fan of enemies with gimmicks (Marauder for example), however, the movement aspect is a sour note for me. You are SO slow on the ground, you HAVE to use the dash to get around and the best way to dodge attacks is to constantly be in the air. Shooting while moving in the air just feels uncomfortable. For me at least the boomer shooter with the best movement has gotta be Quake. Extremely simple but it just feels good and snappyMy dream boomer shooter is Doom Eternal gunplay, Quake 1 movement and Cultic setpieces
>>748986541Gimmick mods?
>>748969879Eternal > Dark Ages: Revelations > 2016 > Dark Ages (on its own) > Doom 3.They're all worth playing. Doom 3 is a mid horror-themed tech demo oozing with atmosphere. Don't play BFG edition.Dark Ages is dull and the combat mechanics turn every fight into tic-tac-toe. Dragon and mech levels might as well be loading screen minigames.2016 is a solid shooter that becomes too easy too quickly with too much dev time wasted on vestigial multiplayer systems. Some awful classic enemy redesigns.DA:R brings DA back up to Eternal levels of madness.Eternal is the only one that will challenge you from start to finish except the last DLC boss is shit. The faithful enemy designs are an improvement over 2016 and the environments are GOAT. Also with dev time wasted on worthless multiplayer.
>>748983446this tbqh
>>748988148I agree with this post.Eternal DLC2 might be the most blatent covid project ever. Some of it is amazing and some of it feels like it was put together in the editor in 5 minutes.2016 feels like a much more refined game when played without suit/mods/weapon/rune upgrades. It's well worth playing again and treating it like a classic fps game without the bloat, you can feel the weapons and enemies being more balanced around it too which makes me feel like those were added just to make the game feel "Modern"
>>748967863hes right they are dated and the ai really isn't that interested. I agree on serious sam though
>>748964212I should get the DE dlc, the base game was amazing
>>748970052>the mental capacity to play an fpsYou say that like the genre hasn't been a favorite of the unwashed masses for decades.
I'm from Israel and I agree with this take
I quit in DLC 2, when every fight had marauders, fodder imps that can only be killed by a gimmick full auto shotgun mod, blood makyrs that also have a gimmick, and everything else. It's tiresome enemy spam in boring arenas. I get it, it's easier to make the game 99 percent this way than designing good boss encounters.
