New Castlevania has "you do the game design for us" sliders. Thoughts?
>>748964432you shit the poops you crap
>>748964432Why the fuck can game devs not even balance their own games any more?
My thought about the matter is that you are a retard who will seek to institute a global ban on knives because a knife may be misused.
>Having options is "you do the game design for us"
That's pretty nice. I like when games have custom difficulty settings
>>748964432When did game balance become a thing of the past?
What does it matter? You're too stupid and lazy to use it anyway.
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>>748964432>no IGAThis shit ain't Castlevania. Bloodstained is.
>>748964432Optional and the game was not designed around themI do not care
>>748965186>the game was not designed around themProve it.
>>748964432Game looks like shit, not sure why they insist upon farming out this IP to western developers. I enjoyed M2's effort with Haunted Castle Revisited, but the last real original title we got was Judgement on the Wii right? I feel old.
>>748964432Logically, it's just mods for consolebabs but all games should have 1 unified experience for everyone instead of this custom bullshit.
>>748965060Iga didn't create Castlevania.
>>748964704It's more than just having options man. Why should the onus be on the player to design the game balance for the game devs?
>>748965361Last original title was Order of Ecclesia, at least on the mainline series. The last game developed by Iga was Harmony of Despair.
>>748964432yea and I saw this in other metroidvanias too. It's fun if you want to challenge yourself or allows you to beat the game if you're a total scrub so what's the problem?
>>748965426>Why should the onus beit's optional and says right there it may negatively impact your experiencestuff like this is absolutely amazing, you used to have to hex edit or gameshark this shit if you wanted to make the game easier/harder
>>748965426It's already balanced dipshit, that's why they have a warning that changing these optional settings will affect that balancelrn2read
>>748965558>>748965602>It's already balancedIs it though? How do you know? Have you played it? Then these options wouldn't be needed. Needing to outsource your game balance decisions to the player just screams insecure game design.
>>748964432gamers will eat up anything tossed their way
>>748964432Well my thoughts are that the niggerstore called... and they are running out of you,
The fact that you don't have infinite instant healing items already makes it harder than any igavania.
>>748964432>Difficulty modifiers Dope. This makes it far more difficult than any other Castlevania by default.Play with max enemy damage on, or your a pussy.
>>748965684>How do you know?I just do. End of story.
>>748965684Dead Cells had this exact same system. The game was balanced around the regular difficulty
>>748964432Im glad devs are doing this, I use trainers to make the game challenging if it is too easy, bring down the grinding if is taking me too much time. Everyone is different and this guarantee they can enjoy it however the fuck they want.
>>748965464>Harmony of DespairAdmittedly I've never played that one. Are the multiplayer servers for the game still up?
>>748964785capitalism manifest>need more consumers>exhausted base>need more people buying product>new people bounce off when game too hard>make it so they can just set everything to low>make more money than crafting an intended experience imagine if you got a book and before you started it, it asked if you wanted to remove words to fit a grade schooler's vocabulary
>>748965794>>748965798This is just means that any criticism of the game can just be met with>hurr durr balance the game yourself durr Which is exactly the point, to put the responsibility of making the game fun on the player instead of the game devs. i.e. it's insecure and lazy game design.
>>748965934no, it's good to give the player all these optionsyour opinion is irrelevant
>>748964704Games should be balanced so that everyone has the same curated journey, or a ser of them (normal, hard, extreme, etc). The variable is the player and the actions they choose to overcome that journey. When you toss in other variables that can be scaled then the journey is meaningless. No one is on the same adventure and the feats we accomplished are meaningless because any retard can reach the end without putting in the effort.The only thing that should change are how the player engages with the systems and rules presented, not the systems themselves.
>>748965934It makes it impossible to have a real conversation about bosses as well and it gives people the option to cheese through them without thinking. It's ruins discussions of games and the shared experience. Accessibility is a lame modern trend. Let people be filtered, Dark Souls got popular off doing that.
>>748964432>PREVENT DEATH
>>748966056>no, it's good to give the player all these optionsNo, because it disincentives the game devs to actually properly design their own game.
>>748965934They have already done it, it's the version that you will be playing without custom mode enabledThere is nothing bad about allowing players to further tweak the game if they so desire
>>748966161>They have already done itBut they haven't. If they need to give the tools to balance the game to the players.
>>748965879Fun but don't go in expecting Castlevania. You can still play the PS3 version but it's a bunch of high level japanese players that speed run
>>748966085>>748966097The only one ITT that isn't a mouthbreathing retard.
>>748964432Holy retard
>>748965934No, Anon. You're just a retard who chooses to analyze everything through a pessimistic lens.They game's balanced by default, amd you can choose to make it easier or borderline unfair.This couldn't be simpler, yet you still struggle to understand.
>>748964432if my time in software is any indication this is a net positivepeople will lose their shit over the stupidest stuffbutton on the left side of the screen? "I can't see it"button on the right side of the screen? "That's not good UX!" or "I can't see it, again"more options is good so people who are retarded can just get pointed to the retard screen to make the game retarded for them
>>748966132>properly design game>then put in options What now?
>>748964432I don’t really think this is that bad, but I also don’t understand how retarded devs don’t want to make their game challenging in the proper way. How do these people see the immense popularity of Miyazaki’s games and not follow his design philosophies? Except the lame ones I guess like putting an iframe dodge in Castlevania lol
>>748964432Why not put this as an NG+ unlock? Hey, you beat the game, now do whatever the fuck you want with it.
>>748965426Yeah? Go flip at every other board game dev
The only other game I've seen implement this is the recent Doom game and that was handled extremely poorly
>>748966531Would giving the player infinite star power in super mario be good game design? Even if it was "optional"? >They game's balanced by default,No it isn't. Then these options would be superfluous. And any "intentional" game design immediately becomes superfluous when you are going to give away these things to the player.>>748966549So then you just end up nullifying your own game design? How is this game design exactly? It's literally just anti-design.
>>748964432in the future every game will be a sandbox you can finetune everything on and play house on in an open world environment and survival mechanics (and will probably be ai generated too). this is the end goal of the "player choice is the only important metric in a videogame" fags
>>748966790>Then these options would be superfluousYes. They are you fucking idiot.
>>748966861Wow you mean I won't have to download mods to adjust settings that should've been in the game to begin with?
>>748965919Dumb troon sky faggot. This will never be your board. Go back
>>748966790It's cool to have options to make specific things harder or easier according to user preference. You can just not use them, most people won't. Plenty of games had this style of difficulty selection. E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy is a good example, even having presets for different playstyles, like a stealth mode where enemies are accurate and lethal, but are shittier at detecting you so it's not pure pain to try and stealth through the whole game. Does it work fully in practice? Eh, kinda. But it's cool, didn't take much work to put in, and it's the sort of shit modders can and will do regardless. Why not put it in the game? I think you just want something to bitch about because you're bored.
>>748965919>capitalism manifestyou say that but as far as I can tell people actually want thisits never been easier to be a gamedev, apparently
>>748966085>the feats we accomplished are meaningless because any retard can reach Do you also believe life is meaningless because some people are born into wealth or just get lucky?
>>748964432Pathfinder and BG3 have custom difficulty as well.
>>748966085>Games should be balanced so that everyone has the same curated journeythis doesn't work if you have freedom. Someone who just goes into e.g. Elden Ring solo has a vastly different experience than someone who uses a guide and summons.>or a ser of them (normal, hard, extreme, etc)Khazan launched with easy and normal difficulty but people where so full of themselves that they dropped the game once they hit a wall instead of switching to easy. The devs turned then easy into normal, normal into hard and introduced a mouthbreather difficulty as easy on top of a new hardcore difficulty replicating the original intended difficulty.
>>748964432There should be a game that uses these for some end ranking like Metal Gear Solid. They could measure what sliders you change, how long you have them changed, and evaluate which ones make the game easier or harder.
>>748964432>>748964514They did balance it. See "default settings."
it's so game urinalists can actually play their game without giving it a 6/10 for having the difficulty solely designed for them
>>748967174There are games that do that already
I don't care.>yeah I pick easy mode, it's an INTENDED OPTION >yeah I fly over some levels in Mario 3, it's an INTENDED OPTION>yeah I deleted vergil 3 with holy waters, it's an INTENDED OPTION>yeah I summon players or NPCs in souls games before bosses it's an INTENDED OPTION>yeah I used the balance modifiers to disable death it's an INTENDED OPTION These are all the same thing. Yes they're intended options, and the INTENTION is to lower the difficulty. People can clearly tell this when it's a literal easy mode selection. The intent is lost on low IQ people when it's intrinsic. Now with these customizable sliders and dip switches, it is a return to the intent being clearer. None of it affects me or anyone who isn't interested in taking options that are specifically intended to lower the difficulty.
>>748964432Just don't enable it and you get the dev intended experience?
When I first put the cheat code for weapons tier 2 into San Andreas I got so mad at the devs for making me balance their dogshit game that I couldn't finish my ribenaHaven't had a drop since...
>>748966085This isn't possible even in a game without difficulties unless the game has no gameplay choices. As soon as you add a second weapon you have different experiences. Go play tetris if you want a curated experience
>>748964432Why do people in here want to turn everything into some kind of bad faith controversy?
If the only options were to make the game harder and there was no option to make the game easier everyone would call it based
>>748966097>It makes it impossible to have a real conversation about bosseswhy? If you know they turned down difficulty you know they experienced something in a different way you did. If you talk about a souls boss you cant tell either what the person did unless they reveal those details.
>>748967065>Just don't use the infinite star power durr Just don't put it in the game and actually design/balance it instead.
>>748967471This is a good comparison.Fighting a boss in elden ring with a greatsword and no magic, vs a katana with sorceries, vs a lance and shield, vs two daggers and incantations are completely different experiences that vastly change the difficulty of each encounter depending. That's basically the appeal of the game.
>>748964432I actually prefer difficulty options like this. Feels way better than the arbritary easy (no one picks this option), normal (most of the time this is what the game is intended to be), and hard (sometimes this is what the game is intended to be but for the most part it's just bullshit).
Every time I see one of these threads I genuinely wonder what kind of fucking videogame do perpetual shitposters want. It's like they're never satisfied with anything.
>>748967534They did. You're the one too retarded to not put the game on easy mode. I put my games on the harder difficulties when available. Have some self control and reread my post, because I think I was right on the money. You don't really care and aren't thinking about it, you're bored and want to be mad.
>>748967268Yep lets pretend cheats never existed before!There's multiple ways of toning down a game's difficulty but have you ever even thought of making it more difficult besides self imposed challenges? Have you even played more video games than these urinalists?A whole genre like JRPGs for one is almost always braindead easy for anyone that has played one before. There are no organic ways of increasing the difficulty besides barring yourself from using certain mechanics of the game.
>>748964432>Prevent Death>"WOW I can't lose no matter what? Such a great accessibility option for myself because I'm working and taking care of my wife and kids 24 hours a day! 10/10 Game of the Year"
>>748967471You have no common point of reference, moves that can 1 shot you at 2x damage will tickle then at .1x. Consider how much discussion bosses like Balteus in AC6 got for being a filter. With these accessibility options, you could make it so he does no damage to you, that's not a conversation point. That's not a shared bonding point for people that beat the game.You can make different builds to try to cheese it but the base damage and health are consistent.
>>748967793People still insist that the game with "pretend you beat the boss" should have been GotY, how's this different?
>>748967591Discussing how you overcame the challenge is a part of the discussion to be fair, "i turned down the settings" doesn't contribute anything and people can't bash their head on a boss until they find something that works. You are essentially giving people the ability to skip over anything they don't want to engage with.
>>748968072"I just used the weapon code"
>>748968072>people can't bash their head on a boss until they find something that worksYes they canSomeone who wants to skip over as much of the game as they can won't be partaking in such discussions anyway and it's not hard to make it clear that you are talking about the default settings version of a boss
>>748968072you're not forced to engage with people that reduce the difficulty in those discussions
>>748964432>you can tune the difficulty to exactly what you want it to be>anon is somehow upset
>>748967701>There are no organic ways of increasing the difficulty besides barring yourself from using certain mechanics of the game.I'd suggest implementing mechanics that make the game more challenging and progressively toning them down or stripping them out entirely as one lowered the difficulty.It'd make no sense to do it like that, though, as you'd be making a game knowing damn well the average player wouldn't see half of it.
>>748968296I'm too autistic to know what I want.
Why is it so hard for /v/eddit to imagine people playing games for fun? Not everything needs to be a test of how well you can move your fingers or memorize a map.
>>748964432>ThoughtsYou control the games you play.
>>748968234The current generation of gamers will look up a guide if they get stuck for 5 minutes. Giving them the option to just bypass the problem directly is something they WILL use if you let them. >>748968243It's not like there's going to be a "this user used easy mode" attached to their post, when they discuss the game even though their input will be from someone that might as well have watched it on youtube.
>>748968469>The current generation of gamers will look up a guide if they get stuck for 5 minutes
>>748968469Ok so what kind of discussions do you want to have with people whose only advice will be "just look up [x] guide bro"?
>>748968582Looking up a youtube guide on your phone is much different than having to go to your desktop to look at GameFAQs or going out to buy a strategy card before you get stuck.>>748968627People will typically tell you how they beat the boss and overcome the challenge and not link you a guide. When their advice is "set it to low lol" that's a very different beast.
>>748964432tucked in settings behind a "are you sure?" checkbox isn't exactly the same thing as presenting all this shit to the player before they even start the game
>>748964432>full page of difficulty slidersWhat happened to shit like Easy, Normal, and Hard? You want a harder challenge, turn the difficulty up. If you get filtered, lower the difficulty with no option of increasing it later in the game. Git gud faggot.>"but it helps with accessibility"Yeah and it also takes away the coolest part of traditional difficulty settings: new content like enemies, bosses, and their movesets. Games that actually changed on higher difficulty were fucking based. Just put the "custom mode" sliders behind a cheat code or something for people who want it
>>748966085Good luck with that thinking with all the>you didn't beat the game unless you ignored 99% of the game mechanic and fought using only the starting gearfags
The dumbest posts I've ever read
France has hit the Bloody TearsThis is not a drillFuck the french I hope niggers burn paris down completely
>>748964432Respawn in front of boss doors is good actually. I might actually enable that.
>>748968582I bought this book back then and do not regret it one bit. Metric fuckton of information in it.
>>748964432Goldeneye did this 30 years ago
>>748964432Nothing wrong here. It's all gated behind "custom mode" and there's even a warning saying that changing anything will ruin the balance.Usually this stuff goes in the accessibility tab instead of the gameplay tab, otherwise it's much the same as the accessibility options that most AAA games have nowadays.
>>748968469>attached to their postneither can you tell if a person beat Malenia all by themselves or they summoned let me solo her. Even if you have a game that is more fixed the second there is a difficulty selection you cannot tell if they just played on easy, normal or hard. Sliders are just more custom and I don't see a problem with this.
>>748967471>If you know they turned down difficultyThey would never say they did you mong that's the point. It happened all the time in Elden ring with people going; "Lol Melania was easy" then later in the thread they let it slip they were using mimic tear and dual greatsword build they looked up on Ribbit.Nobody using these options would admit to doing so and instead just gloat how they didn't have a hard time with X while everyone else seemed to.
>>748969051>Nothing wrong here.There absolutely is. Things like >>748968890 like shit like that, and they don't deserve anything except suffering.
>>748966085BASED. Game understander CHAD
>>748965060Based Bloodstained enjoyer
>>748965301You can't prove a negative. It is you that has to prove it was designed around them
>>748969202>Malenia was easy>post video proof of my original no-hit strategy>>that's not allowed!>>you still didn't beat it!Many keks
>>748969202>Nobody using these options would admit to doing so and instead just gloat how they didn't have a hard time with X while everyone else seemed toI have a little secret for youI do that without having played the game at allThis changes nothing
>>748965684Is every game that doesn't have these sliders balanced? yeah I didn't think so.
>>748968469I'm sorry I'm not a little kid. I have other things to do besides sit and bash my head against the wall trying to brute force a cryptic or overly difficult video game level. I actually resent the fact that a lot of my childhood memories with games are getting stuck in a game my parents rented and never finishing the rest of it. It really sucks and is not fun to have one level ruin the entire experience. At least not for normal who play games as a way to relax.
>>748969389I'm not talking about chronic shitposters like yourself but people who do sincerely discuss a game. These custom difficulties poison even those genuine discussions.
What a nothing thing to complain about. OP you are a sperg
>>748969535No moreso than something as simple as a levelling up system in a game wouldJust ask the other person if they customised the balance
>>748964432Are there at least still developer-made higher difficulties or is there just one default difficulty and you're forced to use the sliders to make it harder? Former is fine latter is retarded.
>>748969653There is a big difference between spending a lot of time overleveling so you can beat a boss and just pressing Esc and turning on your psuedo god mode. At least the overleveler spent time to get his edge against the boss.
>>748969457Then accept that not all games are for you. Games like Dynatasy Warriors that are mindless have existed and were popular with a more casual crowd that wants to button mash for ages.
>>748969759>make very hard difficulty>it's actually just a flat 2x multiplier to everythingI'll take the sliders thank you very much. I know what I want from a game this isn't rocket science.
>>748969870Not for the sake of your sincere discussions, there's notThe person can simply brag about how easily they beat something without disclosing being overlevelled
>>748969183You have no idea if you're going to summon Let Me Solo Her or someone bad or average and then you have to actually play the game or else you die even with the helper. Sliders are guaranteed, you're rolling a gacha when summoning for help in a Souls games and even then it's highly contested within their community. Sliders are an actual "skip this content" mechanic.FWIW, I'm not a fan of difficulty modes either. I think all games should be 1 standard difficulty and the entire game should be balanced around it. Not >normal but everything does 50% less damage/has 50% less healthand>normal but everything does 50% more damage/has 50% more health
>>748969892>Then accept that not all games are for youOdd thing to say in a thread crying about optional sliders ruining a game
>>748969895The sliders are also literally just number tweaks.>I know what I want from a game this isn't rocket science.You're not the developer who has absolute knowledge of every piece of content in the game.
>>748964514Why are you afraid of customizing your own playing experience? The devs gave you the tools right there.
>>748970017Are you being daft? The point of contention is that sliders make the games for everyone but what we've been seeing is that games that opt for mass appeal often end up being loved by no one. Look at the reception to Doom the Dark Ages vs 2016 and Eternal.
>>748964704That's not options you monkey. What about proper game design like allowing some players to use extra armor or I don't know anything more interesting than just exposing the fucking variables?
>>748969957You are being disingenuous. You know as well as I that being able to freely manipulate damage values and even turn on "Prevent death" is a lot different than say overleveling.You still have to play the game even if you level above the recommended in shit like Elden ring. Hell, even the cheese builds require you to still somewhat know what you are doing. Turning on God mode will let you just button mash to victory.
>>748970134Just accept that this game isn't for you, bro
>>748970194But it's for everyone :)
>>748964432>"you do the game design for us" sliders.I have never heard such a retarded argument in my life.The default slider settings, that is the game design chosen by the devs. They just give you the option (OPTION, as in, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT) to change them. It is not the "you do the game design for us." The game design has already been done, by them. That's the default slider settings. Just leave them alone you faggot and quit crying about having more options.Brown people are so fucking dumb.
>>748964432>>748964514>Player A autistically believes that, no matter what, game is entirely ruined unless X modifier is at 1>Player A autistically believes that, no matter what, game is entirely ruined unless X modifier is at 2>no amount of balancing will satisfy both autists or change their opinionWhy not just design the game so every player can individually scale the modifier to their own autistic desire?
>>748970024>>The sliders are also literally just number tweaks.I'd rather have the choice of 2x health or staying with 1x but more on everything else.>You're not the developer who has absolute knowledge of every piece of content in the game.You sound like a brainlet that needs their hands held throughout the entire game.Most devs can't even beat their own game at its highest difficulty.
>>748970134No, he's just being dishonest because he didn't like the truth he was confronted with and is now trying to get the last word in. What a weird coping mechanism.
>>748965426>play RPG>"why should the onus be on the player to build their character?">play FPS>"why should the onus be on the player to choose what gun to pick up?">play platformer>"why should the onus be on the player to choose which platform to jump on?"
>>748970292>Muh cheevos, Muh e-peen. It all means nothing now. My life is worthless.That's why.
>>748970262Having the option to change it it's a game design decision. And makes the game a fucking joke. Is it there because the game hasn't been tested properly? It's because of the casual crowd? Does it add anything new to the gameplay making it harder? The mere existance of those options makes me not trust the developer and takes me out of the experience.
>>748970361>le slippery slope
>>748969236Based runback enjoyer.
>>748965364>Devil May Cry shouldn't have DMD mode>Aria of Sorrow shouldn't have a hard mode>TWEWY shouldn't have modifier sliders/difficulty settingsTry playing video games some time.
>>748970152I am not being disingenuous, I am telling you that the ease with which one can trivialise a game has no impact on your ability to have a genuine discussion about getting past a boss with them. Whether they sunk their time, paid for microtransaction bonuses or pressed the insta-win button are effectively the same thing when it comes to such discussions
>>748970292>Say game is shit>autists attack you saying you just need to tweak 26 settings and install 50 mods to make it goodI agree with you in theory but man does the reality suck
>>748970450>And makes the game a fucking jokeBecause, as well as the default difficulty chosen by the devs, they let retards play it on easy mode?Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. How old are you that you still have not realized that there are a billion times the casuals out there than normal players. It's a business. You are dumb and you can't be older than 21 and still be this stupid.
>>748970495I'd rather have the option to tweak the game to my liking and posts on the internet do not 'attack' me.
>>748970463>game modes that unlock after you beat the base gameSurely you can see how that's a bit different...?
>>748970536Learn to read nigger. What does easy mode hace to do with what I just said?
>>748970549We're all on the same chinese basket weaving forum so it's not like you can avoid it
>TWEWY has sliders and late 2000 /v/ - present /v/ calls it a masterpiece and specifically>retarded 3rd worlders flood in and suddenly sliders are bad because everything is bad
>>748970016I mean you can always play at x1 to have the intended difficulty. The last game I played with sliders had presets and the first thing I did was set hard difficulty. This isn't the intended difficulty either but I still managed to get through the game just fine and it was fun.
>>748970657Everything, you idiot. Are you going to add being intellectually dishonest to your list of crimes against intelligence? Oh, you're actually mad because people can make the game harder? Fucking hell
>>748970738It's called Castlevania not twenty fyi
>>748964432Just finished ender magnolia on hard with animation tells off.Turns out there are bosses with attacks designed around the animation tells. Also, the final boss could one shot you even with all defensive relics and HP upgrades, had to abuse parries and i-frames to beat it.It definitely feels worse than a "naturally hard" game like Silksong, and anyone in favor of shit like this is a tourist.
>>748970691>avoid itWhat's there to avoid? I'm asking who gives a shit. If you think you're being attacked, just walk away from your screen and remember it's text on a webpage.
>>748970635>>>game modes that unlock after you beat the base gameR O F L M A O
>>748969236You want me to suffer because I want to restart the boss immediately? Do you have mental issues?
>>748964432Holy catering to DSP Batman!
>>748970292>no uniform experience>can't relate to other people anymore unless they used the same sliders as you did, ruining all discourse on the game
>>748970635>unlock after you beat the base gameSee your post reads like me responding to my own post with a falseflag because I even said>Try playing video games some timeand TWEWY sliders are available right from the beginning and hard mode from week 2
>>748970879>be smarter than another player who spent 1 hour trying to figure out how to move right>can't relate to that player, ruining all discourse on the game
>>748970903You gave 2 options where the difficulty is unlocked after being the base game, don't be a fag and hide behind the third one.
>>748970795>thinks TWEWY is twentyFUCKING KEK YOU RETARD
>>748970759Ok, so you just have brain damage? Back to school monkey
>>748964432Did you actually play the demo? It's so obviously for the Netflix series fans.
>>748970993Very convincing, Rajeet. +izzat
>>748970964>stop defeating my strawmanCorrect, I intentionally included an example that doesn't unlock post game to make clear from the get-go that my point was not about post game difficulties. You then ignored that entirely to make a strawman that does not apply to my post because I specifically and intentionally preempted that argument and provided an example that disproves your argument.So who is being the fag here?
>>748970987>Autocorrect >NOOOOOOO YOU ARE RETARDEEEEEDDDDTouch grass, unironically
>>748964432terrible; hate this design your game approach.shared experience, though hard to quantify, is essential.
>>748971056I am using YOUR examples. Why bring them up then?
>>748971041I'm not the one with comprehension/reading issues. Keep shitposting trash
There's got to be some major projection going on with anons itt if they are only talking about using the sliders to make the game easier when you could also make it harder.
>>748964432That's just a built in game genie.
>>748971130You didn't have to engage with it, bro, it's optional.
>>748964432How many retards will open this shit instead of dropping it forever? Old Capcom and team ninja gave you meme difficulty if you failed a lot
>there are people on /v/ who defend woke difficultythis board is done
>>748964432>I want mods>BUT NOT LIKE THAT fuck off
>>748965301It literally says messing with the options will fuck up the intended game balance. Can't you read, mister?
>>748971232We need to bring back subtly shaming niggas who have to drop the difficulty below normal. We've all experienced having to lower the difficulty to Easy Automatic in a DMC game
>>748971130I just explained to you that my point is about games that do not have 1 unified experience and have options to customize the game. I also explained that TWEWY was intentionally there to make the point that this is about a broader game design feature than simply post-game difficulty unlocks and even used a TWEWY picture to place emphasis on TWEWY's style of customization.You ignored that to make a strawman, either intentionally or out of ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.Either way, I already explained how your interpretation was objectively wrong and how your argument relies on your own misunderstanding rather than anything actually found in my posts.
>>748970292because then it's not a game. a game has win and lose conditions. if I move the goalpost so I win automatically you can't call it a game anymore.>just don't do that thenwhy even buy such game? you can just imagine a game in your head with rulesets tailored specifically for you for free.
>>748971343And to think this was only 12 years ago.
Is this just some tantrum about some anon who got his ego flustered because some other people might be able to beat a game by adjusting their experience to their liking? What kind of loser shit is this?
>>748964432frictionless design is a sign of modern fragility
>>748971454Leftist discourse.
>>748964432So what you want is a single difficulty so you can brag about beating it on the internet while dunking on anyone who has trouble with the game?
>>748971380>why even buy such game?So your argument is that, you need the devs to force you to not remove all the difficulty because you lack the ability to do so yourself?Personally, I think 99.9% of games are so braindead easily, that they might as well let you "win automatically" as you put it. Howevera). A game doesn't need to be difficult to be good (which is also to say that an easy game is not inherently bad)b). You can use your free will to choose for yourself to do things that make games more challenging and/or not engage in tactics that make the game too easyIf you actually play video games regularly, I'm not sure why these sliders would present any sort of issue. I'll set them to what I personally will get the most enjoyment out of the game from and I would not have that option if developers forced their own retarded standard (which, especially with modern accessibility, is usually very low).
>>748964432Not surprised, it's by the Dead Cells guys after all.
>>748971669Dead Cells had traditional difficulty too with the boss cells. It was a great system since you didn't have to touch the sliders if you don't feel like it and the increased difficulty wasn't just scaling up damage and other numbers. Hope this castlevania has something like that too and not just the sliders. Only sliders = numbers difficulty
>>748971628>you should just design your own gameWhy pay the devs then?
>>748971628>you lack the ability to do so yourself?if the game allows it then it is badly designed and not worth the money. I have the same opinion on games that let you downgrade your difficulty mid campaign by the way. that shit should had never become a widespread feature as it trivializes every game when you can just bypass a wall by turning braindead mode on.
>>748964432>waaaaaaaaaaaaah i wish JRPGs didn't have so many random encounters it's so tiring uggghhhhh>whaaaaaat this game has a random encounter slider so i can reduce them? fucking retard devs design your own fucking game!
>>748970292Why do games need to cater to autists?
>>748971875>/v/ is just one person
>>748971824>if the game allows it then it is badly designed and not worth the moneyI mean, you're entitled to your subjective, dogshit opinion but even /v/, both present /v/ and pre-3rd world flood /v/, loves a game that heavily features sliders.> it trivializes every game when you can just bypass a wall by turning braindead mode on.see>You can use your free will to choose for yourself to do things that make games more challenging and/or not engage in tactics that make the game too easyI don't need corporations to choose for me because I still have free will and the willpower to not ruin a game for myself by engaging in tactics I know I won't enjoy.
>>748971363I'm not making a strawman, I am stating that your examples of games where the hardest difficulty is unlocked AFTER the base game is very different because the base game experience will be more normalized between people discussing it. You gave some shit examples man, just own up to it.Games like Sekiro, Nioh 2, and AC6 with a single difficulty are better than something with multiple difficulty options though imo. There are levers in game that you can use to make things easier for yourself but the game is designed around that single difficulty instead of lazily giving enemies more health and damage. It's very rare when a hard mode is actually meaningful and changes enemy patterns and gives them new moves.
>>748971902They shouldn't which is exactly why sliders are better. Autistic people that need to have certain conditions forced on them because they can't think for themselves or get upset if every other player isn't playing they way they are should not be catered to.
>>748971824They should let you turn it down, but not back up afterwards.
Letting turd worlders on the internet was a mistake.
If the developer doesn't give enough of a shit to put out a cohesive experience, why should I play their game?
>>748972061>You gave some shit examples man, just own up to it.You came to the objectively wrong conclusion from my posts, I explained how it was wrong and also pointed out that you were intentionally ignoring my most prominent example to make your argument.Even now, you're still ignoring TWEWY to make your argument. I'm not sure why you're even responding to me if you don't want to honestly engage it.
>>748972002nta but let's be real. u should want your favorite games to be gatekept instead of catering to retarded normalfags by letting them play and beat them. anyone that wants their favorite games dumbed down for giga retards is a giga retard themself.
>>748972002It isn't about the choice, it's about the option itself. The option is part of the design. When play testers found something too hard, well they can just change the difficulty. See how this leads to terrible design? Hard modes in most modern games are abysmal because of this shit. Game balance in general is shit because no one sat down and fine tuned shit to be played on one difficulty from start to finish. And I'm not going to play an unfinished game like that.
>>748972080whites are trannies and are responsible for wokeslop in vidya
Game balance as we know it comes from arcades when devs had to ensure you're not hogging the machine for hours on one credit but it also doesn't feel impossible to beat to make you keep coming back. The idea stuck around for home consoles but there's no actual incentive for devs to not just let you do whatever you want with the game once you paid for it
>>748972293>anyone that wants their favorite games dumbed down for giga retards is a giga retard themself.The inclusion of sliders are not inherently for or against that notion. If anything, as set out in >>748971628most games are so inherently piss easy that sliders usually allow games to be harder than they would have been otherwise.Games like DMC or Rabi-Ribi circumvent the issue entirely by having ranking systems that make it so beating a boss and SSS ranking a boss are entirely different levels of competency.
>>748964432Actually don't care and couldn't give less of a shit in general for gaming. Highly likely I will never play this game or any game of this series ever again, because it was over 30 years ago anyway.Don't care what the cattle does with their video games.Would I design a game like this? No. Would I enjoy a game like this and play it for years? No.I see nothing wrong with the improved balance of games in general, not wasting player's time in pointless grind, better design, etc, but incoming and outgoing damage and immortality cheats are too far.
>>748970798>ramps up difficulty>complains about it feeling off
>>748970798Silksong had plenty of mods reducing the difficulty, removing runbacks, removing contact damage, etc on day 1. Might aswell add these directly onto the game for convenience
>>748972336You're not criticizing sliders or adjustable difficulty at that point, just incompetent devs period. Sliders do not prevent them from identifying and fixing inherent problems and having one difficulty won't make incompetent devs competent. If they were competent the problem would be identified regardless and, if incompetent, even the game tester example you used wouldn't imply a >fine tuned game from start to finish
>>748972549name 1 well balanced game with difficulty sliders
difficulty sliders are more trans-coded than man-jaw women.
>>748972426games being too easy is the problem....they are made for normalfags. the erosion of hard games w/ difficulty options to make them easier only pushes gaming more towards the dsps of the world. that's how u end up with wolverine. wolverine's issue was too much accessibility, anyone that doesn't realize accessibility toggles ruin games isn't paying enough attention to the industry. not a single person cares about doom the dark ages anon, because the game was bad and retarded and the giveaway that it was bad and retarded was the inclusion of the "idk make ur own difficulty lol" sliders. it's a copout by shit devs that can't balance themselves.
All of this ultimately boils down to the fact that people are mindless cattle that cannot think for themselves and need a reward for not cheating, or to not have the option to cheat at all, or they will compulsively pick the option and ruin their own experience.
>>748972370Your understanding of game difficulty is at least 20 years behind. Once game rentals died, devs wanted people playing their games as much as possible. Making the game stupid hard to consume quarters and prevent you from winning in a single rental period stopped being a thing
>>748972462Why are you on /v/?
>>748972673Gacha games and p2w games being popular is a great example of that. People will pay money for power or to skip things, if you let them do it for free then those instant gratification junkies will do it. They don't want to spend 3 hours beating a boss, they'll give it 2 tries then lower the difficulty and cheat.
>>748972640Sure but if we go back to >>748971628braindead easy games are not a modern novelty even with the increased focus on movie games and accessibility. In fact, I would argue that games have almost always been largely easy, the issue with modern games is the dumbing down/removal of mechanics that add DEPTH to a game, not that make them harder. Modern audiences do not like having to stop and think or engage in systems and want to be on a roller coaster. Those mechanics don't make a game hard however and wouldn't be changed by sliders/difficulty settings.As to what you are arguing, no, most games from 2010s from 2000s even the 90s aren't hard at all either. When you get to arcade games and very early console games, sure, but otherwise, it's not all the recent movieslop is that much easier than most games from the 2000s, only that they lack mechanical depth.
>>748970134Nobody likes nuDoom because shield and girlboss.
I'll be sure to not touch them so /v/ doesn't get mad at me.
>>748964432>go buy car>do you want manual or automatic transmission?>HURRRR WHY SHOULD I DESIGN THE CAR FOR YOU?!?
>>748972062With this logic why not just make your own game? If you need to change a game to like it then just play a different game. I know modern games are dog shit but I don't think this is a very productive path forward
>>748973008more like>here's your new car by the way you have to tune the gearbox on your own. right now the shift points are all randomized.
>>748972736Because I love video games. Good video games. There has always been an option to choose a difficulty level in one way or another. Even in MMOs you can chose to play with your mongoloid friends and suck ass or pay for a carry.I think, actually good game design is what matters first, not exactly just the balance. A good video game will be designed in such a way, that even a difficult part of it won't be much of an issue to the most retarded of players after 2-5 tries.
>>748964432You cheated not only the game, but yourself.You didn't grow.You didn't improve.You took a shortcut and gained nothing.You experienced a hollow victory.Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.It's sad that you don't know the difference.
>>748973135>by the way we tuned the gearbox and set the shift points to what we believe is optimal but can set everything however you want ftfy
>>748965060The problem is bloodstained fucking sucks
>>748973063make one then. I'll play it if it doesn't suck donkey dick.
>>748964432don't like it, don't use it.
>>748973193Is easy mode cheating?
>>748973135these are custom settings, exactly like how it is in the OP's pic.They have regular defaults.Dark Souls was a fucking cancer on the gaming industry, either intended or not.
>>748964432why are anons mad at this? Because of achievements? Remember you control the buttons that you press
>>748972636Terminally online troons love beating their heads into a wall hours on end for bragging rights thoughbeit (see silksong)
>>748964432I actually love it when I can customize difficulty, I can make fights as hard as I want.
>>748971902autists are 1% of the population but make up 99% of "this game needs x or it will fail" posts on reddit
>>748974140and you know what, more often than not they're goddamn right. Esp. a certain kind of autist saying>this game absolutely does NOT need THIS>if you implement THIS the game will diedevs implement THIS and the game days. every fucking time. for the past 5 decades.
>>748964432We need to nuke this industry right the fuck now
Why is OP seething exactly? Can't he just not touch the sliders?
>>748974301Because beating the game is not special if everyone can do it.
next up /v/ will start complaining about having graphic settings because everyone should have the same experience visually
I hope someone mod this into Soulsborne
>>748974301Games are supposed to offer a fantasy world that you can be a part of.Sliders like this literally poisons the well when it comes to immersion and authenticity.RPGs games from the 90s have no difficulty settings for a reason.Imagine if a GTA had shit like this.Everything becomes artificial the moment everything is trivial and devoid of any original concept, design, and execution.
>>74897282990's games were still built around renters and made to be hard outside of nintendo's babby games. look at something made for kids like digimon world 1. it has more complexity and is harder than most modern games aimed at adults. dark souls becoming popular was a rejection of the babby game market emerging to cater to wii/ds casuals. u had xbox pivot from games for capital G gamers to kinect games at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXLJLEY1izwTOTALFRANCEDEATH
>>748974637Sounds kino, if you want no variation just play Simon's quest
>>748974928kill yourself deesqueer
>>748966085>Games should be balanced so that everyone has the same curated journeyIT IS YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>748974986What the fuck is a deesqueer?
>>748974620nigger, people used cheats and gamesharks as a kid, you are either a zoom zoom or such a fucking unc that you completely forgot about it.I would agree that this would be bad if they had no defaults but it is not the case.also tons of classic games had these difficulty sliders or difficulty options, pretty sure Serious Sam had them.Only consoletroons are mad about this because they hate any type of freedom
>>748975116go fuck yourself faggot
This shit ruins exp grind because in the back of my mind I will call myself a retard for wasting time and not maximizing the exp gain bar
>>748975329wouldn't you do that anyway for not using trainers or other type of cheats to have same effect?
>>748975505I play on the console they don't have those. You are going to have to find another angle for a low IQ whataboutism reply. Lets see what you come up with next
>>748975505nta but in game options vs third party solutions is super different. the devs gave u those tools so the game was clearly designed around them existing.
>>748975640I miss action replay.
>devs introduce an objectively broken boss>people complain about boss being utter fucking shit>"you can just turn off dying lmao, won't fix"It may not be the case for this specific game but it IS coming.
>>748975919>you can just change to easy mode>you can just use this cheese strat>you can just use a summon>you can just overlevel >you can just take a breakWho the fuck cares it's already happening for every game
>>748975640those exists on consoles and have for decades
>>748964432I cant be mad at this its just basically cheat codes from the 90s, don't use cheats if you don't want
>>748975640>I play on the console they don't have those.AYYYY LMAO.Delusional consoletroon
if you use motor functioning and pattern recognition to learn the game and beat it... YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME.parietial lobe removal runs are the only valid way to play video games and engage in vidya game discussion on /v/
>>748976071You are mistaking in-game features with an obvious issue that devs and/or fanboys will deflect because why work and think when you can just say "fuck off".Yes, summons and easy modes make games easier, but devs actually implemented them. It wasn't like games just have features by default.On the other hand, difficulty sliders just fuck with underlying math in some ways, or disable mechanics. Doing this is incredibly easy (at least as long as you don't code your game like retard).Let me put it another way.When making easy mode, dev sat down and thought "hm, how do I make players die less? Ah, I know, I'll have bird robot pick you up and out of bottomless pits, for example"When introducing "can't die" checkmark, no thinking or work was done. I wouldn't be surprised if those features tend to lead to various bugs and exploits.
They know runbacks are shit so they added shortcuts and an option to let you respawn at the boss, but they didn't just add a save point next to the boss?
>>748976708It's lazy game design. Either add Stakes of Marika or don't, it's not hard instead of having a cheat option that devalues your decision to run back because now you're just a dumb cuck that's wasting his time for nothing if you don't enable it.
>>748976638>When making easy mode, dev sat down and thought "hm, how do I make players die less? Ah, I know, I'll have bird robot pick you up and out of bottomless pits, for example"They usually quite literally slide sliders when making different difficulty settings.
>>748965426Anon has never heard or thought of what a 1x multiplier does.
>>748970738Weren't TWEWY's sliders and difficulty options directly tied to in-game mechanics with the expectation you'd be shifting up or down depending on what loot you were targeting? That's not the same thing.
ITT: Exceedingly fragile masculinity.
>>748964432This stuff should unlock after beating the game once.
>>748964432Just finished the demo. It's okayish, I guess. No damage on contact was weird, and I hate the archers. Too early to say but her traversal is a little meh, I tried some cancels with the slides but that's not possible, only the back sway works and is faster and it's not doing much. It's a shame she doesn't have a Whip weapon though, I don't like that the Whip is on a button but doesn't do damage aside from that special dash attack.Or maybe we can unlock a whip weapon at some point?Art style is very modern, way too modern... Colors all over the place for no reason... Rose's portrait is fugly. Not impressed with the Tarot slop and the demons talking to Rose. Don't care. I put her in Japanese because I'm not risking a modern English cast.No treasures? The level design is a little lazy... I was expecting things to buy, chests to open, and things to find, rewarding exploration, but so far, there's really nothing aside from a few statues... Souls enemy re-spawn just isn't Castlevania, that's not good.Nothing else, really.
>>748979347sounds like it´s going to suck mega balls
just waiting for Mark critique
Do the Japanese players like this game or not?
>>748979881>Video gets posted during December>Video uses 20 minutes to talk about something that is completely unrelated to CV
>>748980000Fucking wasted
>>748980000everybody, esp capcom, knows japanese players are the largest market segment
>>748980190yeah it should have been another ai recompfucking luddite stealing your post
>>748974627>Those mechanics don't make a game hard however> the dumbing down/removal of mechanics that add DEPTH to a game, not that make them harderDark Souls is also braindead easy so if that's where our opinions differ, you can understand what I'm saying by re-evaluating by that standard
>>748964432Yay cheat codes are back and they're more granular than ever!
Sliders are an admission that you have no faith in your game or your skills as a dev.
>>748980694dark souls is only easy in a modern lens, at the time it was seen as difficult because 1) contemporary games were often THAT easy at the time and it was a breath of fresh air in comparison2) the performance was fucking dogshit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6K5KtW3W8
>>748979881He already shat on the sliders in the doom the dark ages review so I assume that's where a lot of posters itt got that opinion from
>>7489644323.2 maximum potions is the optimal experience thoughever.
>>748970121You're talking to retards who've been malding about no items modes in Smash Bros. and Mario Kart for twenty years, the idea of exercising the responsibility of curating their own game experience is as terrifying to them as the idea of physical exercise.
>>748970826Lowering your level to multiply the drop rate is a risk vs reward system, not a fucking "difficulty slider" you imbecile
Well I just gave it a try. Seems better than Mirror of Fate at least. Though, I dont see this living up to the hype; I'll wait to see how bloatmaxxed itis before I commit. Unless Nintendo is tardwrangling then, westoid developers make their Metroidvanias 40+hr messes way too frequently. And at the end of the day, this is Castlevania in name only, just like the LoS games. It plays, sounds and looks completely different.
>>748964432>oh i'm sure it's just hyperbol->prevent death toggle
>>748964432>Reduce potions to the minimum>Increrase damage taken from both enemies and traps to maximum>Lower exp gained to the minimumNOW it's gaming time.
>>748982754>a simple if below one round to one check meaning it took maybe two minutes to implement>not on by defaultYou control the buttons you press.
>>748982884>i don't care for artistic merit at allStupid faggot. Beating a game is not a privilege, nor should it be an expectation.
Part of the reason why people like hard games is so that they can brag about beating them. That's why these easy mode toggles will always fail and drive away players, there will be a bunch of comparisons to Silksong and this game will probably be seen as an overcorrection to Silksong's difficulty.
>>748964432Difficulty options that can be changed on the fly only work if its tied to some risk/reward mechanic or unlocks some reward upon completion. otherwise every time youre struggling youll find yourself negotiating whether you should slide the difficulty back to normal or easy
>>748983061then don't use itit'd be one thing if any real amount of time was dedicated to any of them, but all of them are pretty simple to make
>>748983142You control the buttons you press
>>748983152People with any design sense dont include these options. Having these optiond at all is a window into their sensibilities. And let me be blunt, not a single one of the best games of all time even have difficulty options at all. At most they have a secret hard mode unlocked by beating the game at the difficulty it was designed for. The presence of this shit indicates mediocrity from the ground up.
>>748983528Is this a quiet admission of absolutely zero impulse control?
>>748964432I don't care.
>>748983142the only time i think it's fine if you can't raise the difficulty up after you lower it so you feel an immense sense of shame for being stuck on easy.
>>748983220see >>748964507
>>748983593You have no reading comprehension at all, do you? The brownwashing of civilization is a tragedy.
>>748964507Lmao
>Default settings are the intended experience>Devs warn that fucking with the settings may change that experience for the worse, but leaving the choice to do so up to the player>There is a button to return to the default settingsWhat's the problem? If you want the intended experience then just don't fuck with the game settings.
>>748964432>optional cheats>this makes /v/tards seethego jerk off or something
>>748965919>capitalism manifest...so all videogames since the 1970s
Reject modernity. Embrace tradition.
i replayed hollow knight and it was a masterpiece. Reached act 2 on silksong and i wanna quit already. Any good "new' metroidcania recomendations? already played bloodstained
>>748964432You know it's optional right?
>>748965060SOTN isn't Castlevania. NEStlevania is.
You control which games you play
>>748964432don't really mind too much as long as the game has default settings, which this seemingly has. good to have customizable settings for replays and challenge runs
hate to sound like an old man, but how utterly cucked is this gaming generation that you need a fucking "prevent death" button baked into your games?
>>748984982ask your nearest game journo
>>748984982That same generation has to have the sense to even check the options screen to find them.
They just put the fling trainer directly into the game if retards need it, what's the problem?
>>748984982you're acting like some old games didn't have cheat codes for immortality
>>748967085>you say that but as far as I can tell people actually want thispigs demand slop, yes
>>748985389nta but tbf those weren't in the main menu.
>>748986627where do you think you got those before the internet? Paid guides and magazines
>>748986727yes and not everyone knew they existed. it's like acting like this is the same thing as gameshark. it's not. you didn't have gameshark built in.
How's the gameplay? Is it fun?
>>748986854>game is shipped with cheat codes>you may have to pay for a guide or magazine to know they exist>this is somehow fine
>>748984328Blasphemous
>>748982817Based
>>748987026cheat codes were mostly extra lives not actual invincibility, that was in the realm of pc game console commands for god mode.
>>748964432These are just pre-built house rules, and surprise, board gamers hate it too. What, did you think board gamers are as stupid as you?
>>748964432rather impressive and preferred honestly
>>748984328Well Dweller and Fatal Claw
>>748964514They did. But then they gave you the OPTION to customize it further to your own taste. What exactly is the problem here?
