No one in the audience for this has any money to pay for it.

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>start at level 3 together in a new restored world
>with no treasure hunter ever (gacha slots)

and here's the juice
>a fresh economy
>world firsts await
December 2nd

How am I supposed to feel about this? I took a 20 year journey to get maxed in this game, and I still don't have max combat from 120 necromancy.

So now you're telling me you want to recruit a bunch of new people who will be on their own limited server with a fresh economy. This does not work for rs3. Fix the economy.
What are they gonna do, forget about us? Will all future updates be made with a fresh economy in mind? So now you've got osrs, osrs leagues, rs3, rs3 leagues, Rs3 FRVSH and the hook is that it's new?
It's still a dead game. I'm sorry to pour salt in the wound here but I have never seen more than 2 other peoply in havenhythe. I don't understand how this got so far into developement. Is this really the plan to compete with WoW again like the old days? Fresh RS3 with all the same combat and bloat issues? They didn't finish the midgame cleanup yet. There are still multiple skills and issues that are WORSE by far than osrs for fuckign xp rates and this is supposed to be the faster game.

It should go without saying I have zero interest in starting over.

Runescape 4 was announced

RIP WoW FOREVER
died in the retarded festering shit womb that is blizzard's buttbaby boipregnant belly

>RS3
I thought people only really cared for OSRS though?

>split your dead playerbase (again) 3+ years ahead of the launch of "RS4."
Lol

>>748980819
they do but rs3 has been coming more like osrs in recent times

>maplestory reboot
>wow reborn
>runescape reignited
I'm so fucking tired bros

Just give me a Runescape 2012 server, dagnabit

i don't get it

is this like OSRS except set in 2012?

>>748981130
fresh runescape 3. the big attraction is a wiped auction house I guess.

>>748977516
Who the fuck plays RS3? I wanted to check my old character years ago and the first thing that popped up was an mtx advert so I closed the game.

>>748981130
separate accounts that have access to different shit on the same server
seems exceptionally mentally ill in my opinion, dont even know what the goal is here, getting some people to buy a new account once?

>>748977516
>RS3
lol

>>748981527
They removed mtx last year

i'm so fucking tired of people defending jagex. they are fundamentally incapable of making good games and have only mimicked the gowers at a fraction of their potential. it's astounding how big of a fuckup rs3 is. i personally regret even trying it. it's temuscape.

and they ruined osrs. fuck nuscape.

So... it's OSRS with updated graphics?

>>748981169
>>748982162
So it's RS3 fresh with some updated graphics? Lmao, who the fuck cares about this then

why did every MMO dev decided to announce new games now?

>>748977516
I might actually give it a go, I already pay the membership for OSRS which allows me to play these servers right?

>>748982361
holiday season

The only time you should play runescape is on leagues

anyone who cares about runescape at all doesn't fucking care about rs3 or rs4

osrs is the only thing that even remotely resembles gower runescape even if it's completely different

please just give us proper preservation servers like 2004scape and shit. or hey, don't. i don't mind them being free

I don't understand the appeal when both RS3 and OSRS are mostly solitary experiences and both of them force you to experience all the content that's been released over the years anyways if you want to complete your account progress.

>>748978970
So you didnt play for fun, just for attention, prolly wanked over your ranks a lot, right? Guess what, you own nothing. Dont blame me for telling the truth, blame them for all your hard work getting wasted, over money. Just let this cancer go and play something else.

>straight up stealing the wow logo
hah
dead on arrival
what a bunch of hacks

As someone who ragequit at the Evolution of Combat changing things without even giving it a chance, is it worth coming back to play? My account would surely be deleted by now, so I guess on a fresh character.

>>748977516
>tranny VO

lol

>>748984017
I think people eat up slop. Even a lot of 4chan users.

Unless you're extremely nostalgic for RuneScape I wouldn't recommend ANY version of the game.

Maybe wait for RuneScape 4 and see if it's any good.

>>748977516
i can finally quit the game.
imagine building an account for 20+ years, even sticking with jagex during their brain damage years, only to get fucked in the ass like this in the end.

>>748978970
>>748984325
i mean the whole idea is that RS3 gets new life and players who funded MTXScape get fucked in the ass, but only gently
except RS3 Irons have had an 'integrity' option for some time now and it was never that popular
realistically
RS4...
RS3nu...
RS3old...
all die coping and seething while OSRS marches on

>>748986184
osrs isn't doing that well either

>>748984150
I'd say OSRS is quite enjoyable as an adventure game up until you get your quest cape, the mid-game in particular has been fleshed out a lot with newer content. Although after a certain point the game just becomes nothing but grinding the same bosses and raids 1000+ times until you get the drop you want (or hitting level 99 in skills for no reason other than seeing number go up).

OSRS and RS3 are extremely similar these days, idk why people are still seething about RS3 other than the graphics

>>748987558
>OSRS and RS3 are extremely similar these days
The world is way too different and they play completely different.
Even the story is not the same anymore.

>>748986184
>just redo 10,000 hours of shit because they said so
nah

I just started an ironman a week ago...

>>748982251
>RS3 fresh with some updated graphics?
It's just a new player type designed to split the playerbase. All existing accounts will become "veteran" accounts. All new accounts will be "reignited" accounts. There will be worlds that only reignited players can log in to. veteran and reignited players cannot trade with each other or do group content together.

Eventually they'll reduce veteran player servers and get rid of them completely. Say bye bye to your 25 year old account.

>>748988172
that makes no sense. Runescape's value is the number and age of accounts in their system.

>>748977516
>Still going to include EoC
They were so close to having a real masterpiece to surpass OSRS.

WoW forever already killed this launch date lol. Should of waited till Christmas

>>748988291
>Runescape's value is
was*

>>748988462
when this backfires, it will be forgotten. Give it 3 months.

>Aion 2
>MapleStory Classic
>WoW Forever
>Runescape 3 Classic
are we in the golden age of MMOs again?

>>748988592
covering their asses for when all of the veteran players cancel their subscriptions and no one makes reignited accounts.

>>748988649
>Aion 2
Made by k*reans. NCShit no less.
>Maplestory Classic
Ruined by Nexon overplaying their jew hand too early.
Overplaying and only revealing they really don't have much else after initial release. Thought I truly hope to be proven wrong.
>WoW Forever
Genuinely curious how they might ruin this. But it has a glimmer of promise. I've had hope with SoD before only for said hope to be dashed.
>Runescape 3 fresh
EoC is going to filter me. I just know it.
>FFXIV Evercold later
Square had their chance to pick up their fumble with post EW and DT, and failed to interest me. I'm skeptical.

>>748988649
no, theres no golden age of mmos and everything is nostalgiabaiting, because everyone is brainrotted from phones and short form content and are unable to create new things. 2020s are the nostalgiabait decade.

>>748989728
you are clearly a zoomer if you think that

i wonder if reignited is going to have ironman. if it isn't going to i'm not playing it

also wonder if they are finally going to address legendary pets, bank space, etc. this is all mtx btw. and this claims to be a non-mtx version. well, a "non-treasure hunter version." if it doesn't address the aforementioned aspects it may literally be pointless.

i will say one thing. reignited doesn't have to be bad. they always have the option of "re-integrating" it with the main game. they can write it off as an experiment and everyone can keep their progress. win-win. people are always such extreme crybabies online instead of actually analyzing it realistically like i have.

>>748980895
Finally, I can play an uglier version of the same game I already play along with bad and half-assedly backported content on top of it. Praise be to Fagex.

i just don't fucking care. let reignited happen. people who whine about the game being dead are so annoying. if the player count is all that keeps you playing a game do you even like it

hell reignited will probably be better than the main game because it won't have rares. it'd be nice if they deleted seasonal slop too

>>748988649
Yes, just like we're in the Trumpian 'Golden Age'

>>748977516
Kind of an unpleasant voice

>>748977516
This "game" is neopets for men. Cookie clicker with mmorpg filter on top of it.

>Nobody cares about RS3
>Make an RS4

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>>748989051
There's a chance that they'll force classic combat mode for RS3 fresh start

>>748993078
dude no fucking way. i think a lot of people missed this. that would be so fucking comfy.

hot take though they should keep movement abilities as the game feels pretty bad without them.

>>748993078
Nah I doubt it. Earlier this year they went in and actually removed all the unique legacy combat stuff from the backend. Now it's just treated like revo with an empty bar. legacy is dead in rs3.

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>>748988649
>Aion 2
idk
>Maple classic
ai sloppa + major changes for like no reason
>WoW forever
mite b cool especially with the survey classes they were teasing that were ripped from ascension
>runescape 3 classic
more interested in RS4 they teased but rs3 with an unfucked economy and no p2w might be ok
>FFXIV evercold
looks alright especially since they got the old writer back instead of that hack from DT, it all depends on if the job changes are good or not

mmos are looking ok, too bad sega is still turbo retard or just broke and won't give the phantasy star team the budget to either make a new game or make NGS not dogshit

>>748993506
yeah anon a game from 2004 sure is AI slop

>>748987558
>OSRS and RS3 are extremely similar these days
they are nothing alike you retard.

to be honest rs3 is back. i don't care about the doomers.

>>748993506
>ai sloppa
wait really? where?
as far as i know the only sloppa that exists is the portrait system in the modern game, which comes from kms
there's also msea which had its event cgs in sloppa
so i wouldnt be surprised

OSRS is aight but it disrespects your time so much. If it had a toolbelt it would do wonders for the game. Instead everyone just loves their inventory tetris and I'm just like bro that shit is soooooo tiresome. i understand why people dislike lodestones though but at the same time with how much content rs3 has they feel mandatory. 'b-but teleports' okay i get it but we have those in addition to lodestones.

>>748993786
there is no AI it's literally just the same sprites from 2004, retard nowadays call anything they don't like AI slop

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>>748993620
>>748993786
the portrait system is gonna be used in classic iirc and I think some of the promotional material was ai slop too

>>748993078
I'm skeptical because the next line after that reads
>Combat has been modernised
whatever that means. I don't think they're bringing back the 2012 era feel.

Everyone wonders why people still play RuneScape 3.

Go to /vg/. Go to the OSRS general. Then you'll see why we moved the fuck on. It takes genuine mental illness to play it.

>>748993946
>the portrait system is gonna be used in classic iirc
t. came to me in a dream

>>748993946
Retard

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>>748994221
>>748994343
>uh they use it everywhere else but classic is gonna be free of it bro because it came out in 2004
>just ignore the tons of changes and additions that weren't in 2004
>bro PLEASE buy the zak pak

>>748994449
nigga there was never portraits in classic, are you retarded? at least know the game before regurgitating shit
>zak pak
of course it's you retard

>>748994507
and holy symbol was an exp buff in classic but oops guess its not so classic anymore retard

>>748977516
IDGAF at this time. I just want Dungeoneering as 2nd new skill in OSRS. Think of Sailing and Dungeoneering exploration

This feels retarded because it splits rs3's population yet again and asks for even more money. Why not just do a modified fresh start? That was met with some resistance before but it actually ended up being positive for the game and got new people involved. This just sounds like bad ironman that fucks over old people and anyone who fell for any of the previous new player initiatives.

>>748994938
people really don't get it

doing anything to runescape 3 is a win. the game is so stagnant and boring. redditors want to remain in their little boring bubble

i just wanna remain in my little boring unchanged bubble forever. mmorpg's are the one genre that are not supposed to do this.

I'll be honest reignited backlash is so massive it's probably not going to happen. Like, it is MASSIVE. I didn't realize how many people are against it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1wx21dm/i_refuse_to_restart_my_progress/

LOL

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RS3 is dogshit and the asthetics is mobile game-tier
OSRS is a game for nostalgia-addicted redditors
Jagex was sold 6 times and has been the financial equivalent of a fleshlight for private equity
Just let the game die

>>748996035
we have 2004scape and vidyaplace

it'll have to do.

>>748986184
>>748978970
>>748977516
runescape 3 is dead.
guess what you played runescape 2 to 3 and stayed hahaha cock sucker, your account is now locked in a dying world cause we reigniting it.

>>748996192
the backlash is likely to force them to change ignited to be temporary as per >>748988592 like with what happened with the hero pass

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>>748996035
The answer is making your own Runescape. Good luck.

>>748995045
>redditors want to remain in their little boring bubble
I dunno feels like more than redditors. The people who started or rejoined earlier this year with the mtx removal and new player content get fucked even harder than oldfags. Even then I think the people who get fucked the hardest are, like old ironmen accounts who cant do aod or whatever with newer Ironmen. Also its gonna suck if you actually wanted to get carried by an older economy and dont have the ability to choose that.

>>748988592
>just split economies for no reason.
people don't complain that they are level 3 and everyone level 120. getting to mid game in run escape is easy on mems like unless they totally radically change drop tables a split makes no sense.

>>748996428
>>748996527
Ok I didnt see this. If it becomes temporary or, like, new players get their own world to themselves but can still interact with oldfags and use a combined economy after 6 months or a year or whatever then I dont really see a problem with this. Most newfags who actually want a fresh experience are probably gonna make an ironman or wait for rs4 so im even more confused as to why they would even do this now.

>>748993078
some shit is not possible without abilities though

>>748993078
Why even play rs3 with legacy combat when all the special attacks and abilities have been removed? At that point its just osrs combat but worse. Its like worse darkscape and that didnt last long

>>748997515
it's just osrs with better graphics and alternative timeline.

imagine reworking the whole game for this. they literally could just done that in osrs, and toggled a graphics switch.

>>748993078
>EOC a distant memory
huh? I'll believe it when I see it.

>>748997689
they can't do shit differently in OSRS without the community having a hissy fit

>>748997689
>it's just osrs with better graphics and alternative timeline.
Then its a game for no one because osrs players arent going to play an rs3 knockoff of osrs and rs3 players would rather just play osrs on a second account than remake their entire rs3 account

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>>748993620
haha oops

>>748998332
didn't you get BTFO enough on the maple thread?

>>748988649
People are already max level on Aion 2 and the game hasn't even "launched" fully yet. It is still the early release. That chinkshit is gonna be dead by mid october with maybe a handful of gooks playing it.

the only reason runescape 3 reignited feels bad is because it gives bondies an ego death. bonds are cheating. but you already knew that, didn't you?

>>748999097
bonds will exist in reignited.

>>748999097
bonds and bonus xp can still be bought

It needed a fresh start but the thing is that probably everyone myself included feels like it's a race to the higher levels so you can have a grasp of the economy, and with runescapes lengthy grind you're not going to win that race.
>why do you feel that way
Because I've grown old and the magic just isn't there anymore like back when I was a kid. Everyone was clueless about the game, the very few guide websites that existed were filled with false info and half truths, there's no exploration and magic of discovery anymore thanks to the internet
>just dont look it up
But someone else will
>just be yourself
It'll end up like classic wow. Of course the impact of other players isnt as huge in runescape as it is in wow but they still run the economy and runescape is notorious for being awful to play if you're poor in the game.
It's hard to explain why this gives me the ick even when I'd like to try, I tried my best to do so.

reddit ruined gaming. imagine caring what literal cattle think about video games. hell, redditors are disrespectful to actual cows.

>>748999754
Yea if this was just another fresh start with a bunch of bonus xp with more gimmicks added onto it I think it would be pretty cool. Maybe reuse some of those league bonuses or something

>>748999754
i didn't restart for osrs and i wont restart for this either. kill eoc and fix the economy.

Remove all MTX and it STILL isn't enough for people! LMAO

i will redeem your game jagex. you won.

>>749001941
>Remove all MTX
They didn't though.
You can't buy XP directly anymore, you just buy 2x XP and bonds to trade for gear.

>>749002016
It says in the reignited mode that you can't buy stars. hopefully that includes bonds too but i have my doubts.

but to be honest this reignited shit is going to fail. i'm surprised how much backlash it's getting

>>748980819
mod norf pledged to fix rs3 so that's been getting more attention than osrs
i don't imagine many people wanna legit no mtx regrind for rs3 after the game was p2w for so long tho

>>748978380
I feel sorry for rs3, Arposandra was one of my most anticipated bits of future content but now that it's actually real 15 years later I just don't care enough to sub for it.

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This was such a weird announcement
I literally came back to the game 2 days ago. I will feel compelled to join these permanent fresh start servers since it feels like the veteran ones will eventually die out
I don't mind restarting since RS3 was tainted by over a decade of MTX, dailyscape, ezscape faggotry
Doing all quests again for the 5th time will be a pain, though
The problem is that I have no reason to play at all for the next 2 months knowing that my progress will effectively be lost

>>749002127
>i'm surprised how much backlash it's getting
I'm not.
They spent a year winding back MTX, said they're going to delete everyone's stockpiled stuff, and then say they're going to re-release the same game but with a new economy.

The RS3 playerbase hit a tipping point 3 years ago with the hero pass, they're not fond of being pissed on anymore.

>>749002127
Its either going to get rolled back, changed to a bigger fsw, or just piss off and make people who are left on rs3 quit. Imagine if blizzard said that retail wow players wouldnt be able to interact with new accounts lmao. Every employee's head would be on a spike in front of a burning blizzard hq by morning

They just have to 10x XP and remove a zero from some ridiculous droprates so that everyone who wants to believe in RS3 gets back to where they are now in neo olde MTXscape3 ASAP then shut the old servers down.
I'm sure many players would be fine with this as long as the regrind is beareable.

>>749002127
yeah well fresh start is the opposite of noob friendly. It's more akin to a poe league start but with only 1% of the players. Expect everyone to essentially be playing ironman on main because shit will either be too expensive or non existent.

>>748977516
Why is this so common now?
>"yes guys come play our new server!!!!!!! you clearly didnt play the older servers so instead of making our game better we will say fuck you to anyone who has stuck by us and try to bring back everyone who didnt want to play in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

like 10 different mmo's have pulled this bullshit lately

>>749002719
That's what happens when the MTX pendulum starts to swing back.

to be honest runescape 3 players are retards anyways. if they quit they'd literally be doing new players a favor. out with the old, in with the new.

>>748995045
you're such a retarded faggot it's not even funny, bending the knee to reroll faggot "fresh" tourists and fucking over your established playerbase is not "changing things up" you stupid fuck.
They could y'know just make the game better? not just "lmao we fucked up so HERE'S A NEW SERVER for the indecisive stupid fucks who won't stick with us for a 2nd time."

>>748996035
>has been the financial equivalent of a fleshlight for private equity
does this matter?

>>749002862
who cares rs3 is dead anyway

>>748988172
So all the people with billions of gold, worth a car, effectively got fucked?

People who hoarded rare items like party hats, worth up to 10k USD, are fucked?

These iconic rares will be gone for good

>>749002931
RS3 got a surge of new players because they killed MTX and a lot of the retarded design

they are gonna cancel reignited it's not a big deal. ironman already addresses the fresh server issue and was always the solution.

>>749002719
everyone just copies WoW. what's new? That's the reason they're in this mess in the first place. Imagine if they didn't add an action bar to runescape and force literally 90% of the players to just leave.

>>749003072
t. liar

rs3 is at a near all time low actually but people are still pushing this narrative, lol.

https://www.aggrgtr.com/rs-population?view=all

>>748977516
interesting gambit, will certainly get people in the door but whether or not they stick around is a whole different story. all the current RS3cucks seem to be mad about this though so this is likely just an onboard for OSRS players

>>748977516
>MMO adds new thing that further splits the player base
why do they do this?

>>749002931
it's always been a dead game. It's still gotten monthly updates since forever. There is so much shit to do and half the skills go to 110 or 120 now. Endgame rs3 shits on osrs so hard it's not even funny.

>>749003072
Lmao. Like removing some MTX items from the sweat whales would bring new life to the game. They still have all the power because Jagex doesn't wanna actually make updates targeted to new or mid level accounts that will be one hour grinds for 90% of the playerbase.

>>749003339
That's what Reignited is for, I guess. It's new accounts only, so nobody got to abuse MTX, dailyscape shit, ezscape shit, etc

Also if you watch the stream of the event, you'll see that they plan to revamp a lot of the early-mid content

>>749003447
nobody has cared about the game enough to care about the mtx in like... 7 years?

>>749003447
They always say that, yet the roadmap is just endgame raids, grandmaster stuff and bosses.

>>749002931
I know but this has also happened in multiple other mmorpgs over the last 2 years shit like bns neo, aion 1, WoW etc
Kneeling to the "fresh" crowd is not good, these retards always quit after the 1 month honeymoon phase high fades

>>749003072
>they killed MTX
bonds are a microtransaction you stupid black nigger ape.

>>749003621
it kind of makes sense to always move the game forwards into deeper end-game
they make early/mid content sometimes, but what exactly do you gain from making too much of it? as long as new players get a good experience until they get to the end-game, it means things are fine

>>749003721
The reason bonds exist is to combat live trading of RS items on third party sites. Many other solutions were attempted and failed and offering bonds was the best solution to that particular problem. You don't have to touch bonds at all if you don't want.

>>749003721
You're trolling if you can't tell the difference between bonds and all of the crap p2w cash shop lootbox promotions that plagued the game for 10 years,

>>749003835
you are a 3rd worlder who started playing in 2023

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>>748977516
Is Jagex finally getting rid of EOC?

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>>748977516
Only the absolute bottom of the barrel retarded mongoloids are still playing MMOs on official servers.

>>749003773
what new players tho? Who is going to start investing long term into rs3 now when they just announced rs4?

>>749003954
you're a retard bonds are a great idea and runescape's greatest achievement.

>>749003810
>The reason bonds exist
Is to line fagex's pockets with wallet-opener money financed by third world labor.
Bonds are pay to win and if you disagree, you're not just wrong, you're fucking retarded.

always funny to see kids running damage control for rs3. ain't nobody wanna play that garbage

>>749003773
I have no time for MMORPGs any more and I enjoyed the pre-MTX everywhere era, so I admit I might be very biased, but I would not get excited to get into a possible 10k hour multi-year commitment for a game that only ever evolves forward, even when they are desperate for new blood.
I believe that's what makes OSRS have such a pull over RS3. Yeah, the big flashy stuff is endgame stuff but I believe the best way to get there hasn't been the same for more than 6 months. Sailing had its problems from what I understand, but at least it made everyone more or less equal for a while, and even endgame accounts have reasons to interact with mid level content occassionally.
Meanwhile RS3 had a shitty skill 99able in less than a day.

Looks like the /vg/ is paying a visit to this thread.

>>749004138
brown hands wrote this

>>749004138
>bonds are a great idea
For who? I want a level playing field. The only way that's possible is on a game with a paid membership, and that's it. No other MTX whatsoever. Bonds benefit two groups: wallet openers and third worlders too poor for a monthly membership fee. Bonds simultaneously enable thirdworld shitskins and the worst pieces of shit to ever grace gaming: P2W trash. Fuck you for defending bonds, kill yourself. People like you are why MMOs are fucking dead.

>>748977516
this dev is so fucking evil lmao
they did ironman to split the playerbase and this is the same thing
osrs is a literal demonic ritual at this point

>>749004102
>Who is going to start investing long term into rs3 now when they just announced rs4?
No one. They are also doing this a month after forever classic wow launches and a month after gta6. Rs4 is also on track to be released at a similar time to gw4. I legit think they are retarded.

>>748977516
are we getting random events back?

>>749003965
no, and RS4 will go full-circle and have generic action-combat of Dragonwilds

bring back pvp
remove ironman mode
stop making shit teir content like inferno quiver/dt2 bosses that is more annoying than fun ( its not hard lol)
stop making terrible updates for only ironmen
and stop letting the game be 95% bots and have a terrible game economy
also stop doing that stupid ass drops split into 3 that are untradable crap
theyre doing the same shit they did with dungeoneering too where u gotta do the content to get the upgrade so u cant ignore bad content lol

>>749004102
i would if the sub were cheaper.
RS4 will probably spawn some RS3 private servers though.

>>748996035
theyll prop it up with ai and ironman most likely
its close to dead tho
idk how the fuck dragonwilds sold well must be money laundering lol

nothing is actually real and it's so obvious. really. just sit down, clear the mind, and realize that the entire universe and all seeming individuality and multiplicity is just the same being expressing itself in a myriad of forms.

it's all me

>>749004102
because rs4 is years away according to them, and it will be a very different game
rs3 won't cease development when rs4 is released

>>749004375
why does jagex make shit nobody asks for?

>>749004286
MMOs have never ever been about equality and a level playfield. Some people only have 2 hours a day while others have 16. Some people can stand high intensity stuff while others can only do relaxing things. Some people like firemaking more than slayer and so gimp their accounts.
Some people paying 1k dollars for pvm upgrades doesn't affect you in the slightest, and you get to reap the benefits of literally being able to play members for a few hours' GP investment a month.

>>749004583
>Some people only have 2 hours a day while others have 16
That's not my fucking problem and not a reason to defend MTX. Kill yourself.

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>announce new server for RS3
>and new server for OSRS
>provide no additional character slots whatsoever
>announce RS4 too just because
That's cool and all, but I have no incentive in paying a premium to start a game that is a several years long grind immediately after they announced a sequel.

>>749004479
well like 10 million people bought valheim and it's absolutely awful, dragonwilds seems a lot better than it even if it is still bad

>>749004512
i wrote this btw

>>748996583
Splitting the economy makes skilling extremely valuable in the first few months. You also won't be able to buy your way through the skills. It's a good decision.

>>749004621
i'll be surprised if RS4 has a beta before 2030.
This feels very much like a TES 6 announcement.

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>>749004583
>Some people paying 1k dollars for pvm upgrades doesn't affect you in the slightest
Yeah I bet you also believe niggercrime doesn't affect your life either, faggot.

>>749004601
Nice non-argument now sorry I have to focus for 15 minutes to buy 14 days membership from some random generous retard paying to prop up the economy for my own benefit.

>>749004286
bonds are whitewashed RMT. there will be people RMTing anyways without bonds, so there will always be P2W

the difference is that RMT gold always comes from botting, scamming, hacking, etc. so bonds actually help fight these things

>just let people bot bro, how does it affect you at all lmao?
>just let people multibox 20 accounts and feed their main mats bro how does it affect you haha?

>>749004631
are normies all vax zombies its nuts how dogshit the top played games are on most platforms
go look at the top games on steam in 2012 and most of it was good
they just play the weirdest youtuber/streambait slop and woke crap
its genuinely depressing
i cant talk tho i pirated palworld and liked it lol

But why? You've used thousands of hours, maybe tens of thousands of hours on this mindless grind set and you'll start over? You'll be pushing 50 when you get to this point again

>>749004841
>there's just nothing we can do bro we just can't stop RMT let's just make RMT official bro just stop fighting it, it's good actually when you really think about it
Nah, I'll just not play your piece of shit game if you can't moderate it.

>>749004841
No sense in trying to reason with him, he's just trolling

>>749004540
Really surprised these retards haven't learned by now that announcing your game when it's still half a decade away is not a good idea, even more so if it's a product sequel.
>now people expect updates
>people quit your prior product to wait on new product
>if something goes wrong the community will make fun of you for taking another half decade to finish the product
>if you take too long and your product fails you will be ridiculed and cause costumers to be weary of any future endeavors.

>>749005003
It's investment-fishing.

a level playing field doesnt exist in mmos. even if runescape had 0 mtx, absolutely none, you would just have people staying awake for 40 hours. all it takes is a few efficiency play sessions and they are ahead of you forever, permanently.

if you're NORMAL you play for fun. fuck efficiency.

>>749005046
>you would just have people staying awake for 40 hours
And those people are also the biggest purchasers of MTX, so defending MTX is even more retarded than defending poopsocking. MTX helps absolutely nobody but the worst people playing and fucks over everybody else.

>>748983012
>remotely resembles gower runescape
That was 2010 runescape, with curses, nex, effigies, dungeoneering, summoning, etc
Not 2004 runescape, the gowers were still the sole owners until after all that.

>>749005093
mtx hasn't been in the game for a while.

>>749005149
Bonds are MTX no matter how blue in the face you go arguing that it isn't.

>>749005181
im not talking about bonds. nobody is. We're talking about the squeal of fortune.

>>749005093
Or I can just play an ironman and not care about the possible downsides of timmy buying a scythe and torva while reaping all the benefits of not actually having to pay to play an MMORPG.

>>749005046
>and they are ahead of you forever, permanently.
why is this an issue? We used to respect turbo-autists who were far ahead of everyone else.

>>749005237
May as well just play on a self-hosted private server, but everybody knows you don't actually care about number going up, but other people watching your number going up.

>>749005046
not to mention botting, RMT, and account sharing.

Specially in current day it's impossible not to have some form of faggotry happening in your online game.

>>749005274
comparison is the thief of joy however.

>>749005315
Right, so that brings us back to why you don't just play your own self-hosted private server and we all know why you don't.

>>749005262
Some anon apparently believes MMORPGs are supposed to be level playing fields.
>>749005274
I don't care about other people. I see no need to do that when I can play the official game for free as AFKing while busy easily pays for my bonds.

>>749005408
>I don't care about other people
You're why MMOs are a dead genre.

>>749005374
you from osg or just a random schizo who thinks he has something on us?

>>748977516
More gay shit

>>749005430
And yet going strong after 22 years.

>>749005461
I know exactly the way irontrannies think, I've been around many of your kind.

>>748977516
What's with the shitty graphics? Is shitty an artstyle now?

>>749005518
who what why I don't understand

>>749005501
Sure, if you count thirdworlders, bots, and poopsockers multiboxing 60 accounts. Real MMO players left over 15 years ago.

>>749005556
But I don't care about other players?

>>749002608
>remove a zero from some ridiculous droprates
osrs player?
Because this is only an issue in osrs where things that were 1/126 are 1/1000 drops now.
RS3 didn't ever implement this design.

>>749005590
So why play MMOs, irontranny? You say you don't care, but I think you care a lot about what people think about you.

>>748977516
>MMO
>FRESH AGAIN
Whats wrong with you people?

>>749005501
They really have no idea. And they come in to our spaces and tell us what we need. I'm mega banned on reddit so I can't post but on our subreddit all apologizing faggots are being btfo. It is so obvious to everyone who stuck around just what this is and what it will do.
I'm still here, if I wasn't broken by now this won't do it. Am I right haha

>>749005632
That two weeks fighting over low level activity nodes almost makes you feel like a 10 year old in 2001 again.

>>749005621
Because I like the game? What else should I care about? I can keep an account at literally cost. Even if I don't feel like playing much sometimes, I feel no economic pressure to do so. And the game is in no risk of dying in the next few years. What's to hate?

>>749005752
Literally no cost*

>>749005752
>Because I like the game?
So play it for free on your own PC where nobody you don't care about is around. You don't care about other people right? On your PC, there is literally nobody but you. It's perfect for you.

>>749005820
Yes I do indeed use entity hidder.

>>749005820
you're trying too hard desu

>>749005820
If people is invisible and abdolute nothing in real life, runescape leaderboards make him something. Even though it's a miniscule autistic thing they've done for the last 20 years, it is something

>>749005874
I didn't ask what tranny client placebo mods you use.

>>749005907
Sorry, did you say something? I had public chat off. And all chats for that matter.

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>>749006028
Another stellar member of the MMO community.

>>748978970
>Fix the economy
Yes, that's the idea here

>>748978380
>Agility rework
Good
>Quest timeline rework
Very very fucking good you have no idea how much of a pain in the dick this is as a returning midlevel player

>The rest
eh
>no dungeoneering overhaul
eh
>no diviniation removal
eh

Still not playing either game though
>>748993078
That's bullshit because all the newest bosses are built around surging, diving and defensives.

>>749006194
Dungeoneering should be removed for being an absolute dogshit minigame skill.

>>749006329
No you see they should just double the rewards per dungeon and the retards still playing the game will call it an amazing improvement and it's so great they can grind out warped stones or whatever the hell they were called a tiny bit quicker now!

>>748983743
What are you even talking about?

>>749006405
The skill is what made me finally quit fagex forever.

>>749004834
it takes a couple months to get to midlevel in osrs, rs3 is literally 10x faster xp so I don't see that being the case.

>>749006329
It being a skill for some reason (and the first 120 to boot) did suck ass but I remember liking it back then. I don't know how bad it got with time as I quit within months of release but certainly not because of Dungeoneering.

>>749006769
It wasn't just Dungeoneering for me, I had several qualms about the game mounting at the time, but Dungeoneering was the final straw for me.

daily reminder that jesus christ is a child raping nigger of 0 worth who is not omnipotent and very evil
say no to christ cucks

>>749006962
True, and also jews rape and eat children and worship demons. I curse vishnu and mohammad is a female pig who gives birth to shit demons.

>>749006769
The problem is that you have no choice but to powerlevel it. You can take your time and get engrossed in the design and lore books and whatever but a few hours in after the endless repeated room modules and endless repeated "puzzles" that are nothing but deliberate time wasters and endless hours wasted on how fucking terrible it is to interact with anything in dungeoneering because there's endless amounts of delay built into every single action and how to get from one end of the map to the next you need to click a dozen times for every single door and how even though you're like level 120 combat and have near maxed melee stats and you're like level 80 dungeoneering you still end up fighting level 7 bosses that still take a minute because they have health thresholds(that you reach in one attack) followed up by invincibility periods and lots of running and BACK OFF ARROW RAIN and a terrain that demands lots of running and debris that takes five decades to load in and ten decades to mine after you've clicked on it and my God what am I doing with my life

>>749006834
Same, I guess it scratched the itch for me enough to last until the EoC announcement around a year later IIRC. I remember not even opening the news post, just nopeing away.

I remember despising summoning because of how much it clogged the inventory.

>>749007049
Curses ruined the duel arena and the duel arena was one of my favorite activities in the game.

i miss 2011 rs when it was fun
or at least pre 2021 oldschool rs when there was pvp ironmen were a meme and they didnt focus on weirdo ass tick perfect content and gay pride crap

>>749007090
Not only that but it was also yet another "money sink" skill which felt like shit to level. Construction being a money sink skill made some semblance of sense but I never felt Summoning was ever handled in a way that felt natural or good.

>>749007090
the familiars are fun but picking up charms and training it was ass lol
i wish i got unicorn before eoc i was stuck at like 88 :/

>>749007090
I hated summoning because it was the most obvious money sink imaginable, the not!altars were ugly and the popped them on the most iconic places like edgeville-ge bridge, and 99% of summons being shit.

>>749007090
summoning was cool, but Jagex intended for it to be an intermittently trained skill, which was entirely at odds with the "binge-skilling" mindset of rs.
jagex encouraging binge-skilling instead of intermittent skilling is one of the core issues with rs too.

>Keep trying to make OSRS gay as fuck.
>OSRS community rejects it.
>Fuck you guys, we're going to make an OSRS remaster which we can make as gay as we want.

>>749007259
It wasn't cool, it was the worst parts of construction and runecrafting for underwhelming buffs and added 12 levels to your combat level for practically zero gain. They completely dropped the ball on the skill and defenders of it have dogshit taste.

>>749007351
The training could have been improved, but it's very much a core-runescape skill in spirit because of how it interacted with and could help all the other skills.
Not honing in on that aspect was also a mistake

>>749007259
>jagex encouraging binge-skilling instead of intermittent skilling is one of the core issues with rs too.
The afk nature of most of the skills really rustled my jimmies. Who the fuck thinks click node, wait for bar to fill up, tab back in once every blue moon to click again so that the other bar that denotes stamina or rate or whatever is not low was such a great piece of design it had to be the core method of training smithing, mining, archaeology and divination
>>749007232
>99% of summons being shit.
This is the crux for me. No one used summoning for anything other than beast of burden. You look at 'modern' summoning now and all you have are a handful of binding contracts that are useful for endgame bossing. No one in the history of the world has ever used any other class of summoning creature outside of quest requirements. There's zero reason to

>>749007402
>but it's very much a core-runescape skill in spirit
What year did you start playing? I started in 2002 and I have to fundamentally disagree with you here.

>>749007259
>the only useful combat familiar was an ugly support healer
>you lose 5 or 6 inventory space because lol the summons last only a few minutes so you need a spot for pouches and maybe some scrolls and you need prayer 2.0 and inv spots to pick up charms or you shoot yourself in the foot in the long run but still only 28 spots
>runecraft tier xp/h with construction tier costs
It was ass.

I'm amazed at the lengths Jagex will take to do everything but Funorb.

>>749007547
The XP was really fast if you had the mats and the pouches, you could burn through a zillion charms in a couple hours. I refused doing Summoning for months and months after it came out, only collecting charms, then I cashed them all in and went from 1-70 in like a few hours.

>>748977516
The only reason I still even somewhat cared about RS3 is because my old RS2 main is still on it. What are they doing that would make me want to go back to EOC slop?

>>749007619
>Funorb
The only game I ever played was Miner Disturbance.

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>>749004621
>provide no additional character slots whatsoever
stealth changed around the time of the last OS update

>>749007732
>people needed more than 20 characters
Absolute mental illness.

>>749007627
Yes, most skills are fast when you have all the mats ready. Charms being untradeable means the effective xp/h is very low by design even in the best case.
Also remember Lvl70 is what? 7% to 99?
Well not like there was much reason to go so high unless you really wanted the BoBs or the Unicorn which were at best minor help.

>>749007619
RS4 really needs to be an entirely new world, but i think jagex are too afraid they can't make new iconic things.

>>749007901
>most skills are fast when you have all the mats ready
On what fucking planet?
Smithing? No
Firemaking? lol
Runecrafting? lmao
The only skill I can think of where this is even remotely true is maybe cooking or magic. Magic can be done extremely quickly for a high cost.

>wont get rid of the grand exchange

this killed the game

>>749008079
Chinese gold farmers killed the game, the Grand Exchange was just the death throes of an already dead game.

>>749008079
if you don't want ge just play group ironman or whatever, reignited isn't even its own servers its just a character flag that puts you on a basically global group ironman with other reignited people with their own GE and no EOC

>>749008223
>if you don't want ge just play the gamemode where you interact with nobody in a tranny circlejerk all about metaphorically shouting at the top of your lungs "LOOK AT HOW I DON'T INTERACT WITH ANYBODY!"

>>749008013
I jumped ship to OSRS so I'm not up to date on xp/h on RS3 but at least there at high level rates
>Smithing is like 200k+ an hour on the bar stage
>Firemaking is a joke minigame that literally gets you to 99 in a week and you can easily accidentally 200m it wkthout realizing if grinding for a pet
>RC reaches 80k/h in Ourania if you have everything ready

>>749008223
GE devalues gear goals and makes the game anti-social.

>>749008436
>I jumped ship to OSRS
I don't give a shit about OSRS, it's a fake game for queers, thirdworlders, and wallet openers. OSRS isn't anywhere close to how the game worked in 2007.

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>>749007901
Yak and steel titan are mandatory for pvm. 99 summoning is inevitable. Agility too until they added War's retreat.

>>749008487
Smithing, Blast furnace and Ourania existed in 2007 (only a month away of OSRS backup date) so that's 2/3 of your boogeyman skills being exactly the same 20 years ago.
And Firemaking was effectively only a quest lock skill.
Meanwhile Summoning had the untradeable charm timesink built by design so effective xp rates were low by design.

>>749008661
Blast furnace was prohibitively expensive and I'm not sure it was even a known meta back then.

>>749007732
This is for the jagex account. You still need to pay an individual subscription for each one.

>>749008758
Maybe so, but the argument was assuming you have all the bars ready you can get 99 smithing in less than 20 hours and RC in 120ish.
That amount of time barely gets you enough charms for any significant summoning level even if you have all the shards, pouches and secs banked.

>>749008661
motherlode mines. Zeah runecrafting. Wintertodt. Goon Crab. Zul'rah.

>>749008957
>most skills are fast when you have all the mats ready
Yeah anon that's why I specifically went for stuff that existed in 2007 (except FM because it was and effectively still is just a quest lock) to support my argument that if you have all materials ready (even ignoring they are all tradeable) the xp is amazing even for the skills considered slow.
Same with crafting, which I'm sure you can 20-99 it in a day if you have all gems ready, and they did exist in 2007.

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>most fun I've ever had playing RS was back in 2010 when world 31 had RP clans staking claims to cities and all the minigames were active
I just want a game to relieve that feeling and I doubt one will ever exist

>>749009185
smithing and mining are both fundamentally shit skills before the rework that came in like 2021.
Processing skills are boring bankstanding skills. Of course smithing spices it up by adding clicks and forcing you to run to an anvil and waste an inventory space for a hammer cause you don't have a toolbelt.
Placeholders btw.
Why cherrypick the easiest skills that all the gold buyers were afking? Gathering in osrs is fucking dreadful. That's why osrs is full of bosses that delete the need for you to ever gather them.

Who the fuck thought it was a great idea to use the same logo as WOWF?

>>749009412
It was the other anon who chose Smithing, Firemaking and Runecrafting, not me, after claiming Summoning is a fast skill after he got from 1-70 (not even 6% to 99) in a few hours (after passively gathering charms for who knows how many months), before having the gall of calling Smithing slow even if you have all mats ready.

>>749008079
Objectively no it didn't. OSRS didn't have the GE. For a couple months, things were like the old days.

Then it switched to forums and websites for listings. It was just the GE with extra steps. Player count kept dropping. GE got added, and unironically saved the game.

I prefer the game without the GE. They tried it. It didn't work. Because it's not 2006 anymore. You're not 12 anymore. Neither is everyone else. The world you knew is gone and you can't get it back.

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>>749009590
don't worry, that anon is not retarded. he's just pretending.

>>749009741
Don't forget the tradepost, aka, literally the GE but without the item transfer and a bad UI even for Jagex standards.

>>749009741
anon is right the grand exchange did originally kill the game. It was added to combat rmt and bots. They set the prices of every item instead of letting the free market decide. It was one step forwards two steps back. It eventually worked out because it is still the AH from WoW you just had to let people name their price instead of setting it.

>>748977516
rs3 crybabies are pissing themselves in the comments about "splitting the playerbase" but what other possible solution would there be? 15 years of rare items and p2w mtx trash has permanently destroyed the rs3 economy, it is completely irreparable. there is nothing that can be done about it except a complete and total reset

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It begins.

>>749009963
I barely remember launch GE, but I believe you could always set the price yourself? Yeah the default if you just dumped stuff into it was the average that in many cases was very bad and it was originally set by Jagex programmed to average to market rates but very slowly and with very arbitrary limits, but I think you could always override the asking price.

>>749010171
no. There was a very brief period where all prices were set by jagex. You bought and sold everything at a fixed price. No trades. No trades above 10k. No giving gold to your friends. They just shut everything down. It was a very dark time for the company, when they were fighting to not get cut off from all the major credit card companies.

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>>749010171
>but I believe you could always set the price yourself?
Lol no. I clearly remember launch GE, and there was a set range for prices that would only climb or lower depending on how chinks were manipulating it at the time, and only in fairly slow increments.

>>748983012
Osrs is nothing like Gower runescape because it actually balances content and thinks more than 2 weeks ahead. The Gowers were such terrible fucking game designers its unreal. Go play Brighter Shores if you don't believe me.

>>749010347
RSC and pre-06 RS2 had a ton of soul. Brighter Shores is the result of an aging man being out of touch. The game started falling apart after they added Hunter.

>>748989051
Just use revolution, EoC is a nothingburger

>>749010397
the game's fatal flaw is they released with 99 as an arbitrary maximum and didn't really balance around it.

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>>748978380
once quest timeline rework hits, I'm going to do the account I've wanted to do for a while
an ironman that isn't allowed to use lodestones, war's retreat, and other restriction which I think kinda ruin the game like rushing thieving / dg weapons / etc
yes I have Autism

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>>749010235
That was for direct trading until they lifted that when they brought back PvP I believe.
>>749010292
Looks like you are right. I wonder when the 5% buttons and custom price button was added, I can't find shit in the update history in the wiki, but it had to be not that long after?

>>749010397
It was easy for things to have soul before 2008 fucked the entire world, so that's not saying much. Even call of duty had soul back then.

>>749010665
I always just sold at lowest to get my fucking money. Only jewish clowns sold high.

>>748977516
still not paying 15$ a month

>>749010685
credit where it's due, runescape was way ahead of its time. Look at all the survival crafting games now. And what did everyoen do in runescape as kids? We went into the mines and made suits of copper armor out of stuff we mined. The crafting having so many items with fast xp early on is a really good formula.

>>749010769
We know, Pablo. Better get working on that bond so chaim and his 40 alts can whale content.

>>749010750
You make /biz/ proud.
That's not a compliment btw.

rs3 is not good. quit for a few months and you'll see what i mean. most people just play that trash out of habit.

>>749010828
Not getting compliments from merchanting kikes is a compliment in and of itself.

>>749010665
That was all added in 2011 when PvP was brought back anon. Even the GE was considered risky.

>>749010817
>assuming I am some LATAM tranny
this game requires massive amounts of your time which only NEETs have who barely scrape by financially most of the time

>>749010839
it's been 3 months and im itching to come back wdym? I have other games I like to play. it's easy to hop in and out.

>>749011084
Sure maybe 20 years ago, now it's just something trannies have on a second monitor while they groom kids on discord.

>>749010575
You don't have autism, that sounds like an excellent way to play.

>>748977516
Runescape Classic Hardcore is the future of MMORPGs, I SWEAR IT!

Its the perfect thing. The reason new mmos die is because of lack of content. Now here's an mmo with 25 years of content on day one and everyone is starting together. My life is over

>>749011282
>My life is over
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvI4ifN8lfI

>>749010575
>ironman
please don't do this to yourself. You know not what you speak.

>>749011405
Talking trannies out of ironman is like trying to talk them out of HRT, it isn't happening.

>>749010839
>most people just play that trash out of habit.
That's OSRS too. The people who like these games are glorified candy crush drip fed mobile gamers.

>>749009741
im vaguely aware there was a massive forum presence for trading but you know, it still didn't take from the massive organic trading areas in varrock, falador, edgeville, with price differences that grew purely from logistical/distance factors

ores were cheaper in falador bank, essence cheaper in east varrock bank, could buy most things at 'market' price in west varrock, while the richfags with their richfag stuff sold stuff around the corner there, could charge a slight premium for food and potions near the wildy etc.

it made the world feel real, because it kind of was, runescape set a bunch of geographical resources and processing spots that players just adapted to and created a working economy out of

they thought rmt/bots were the greater evil but i disagree

>>749007732
you are an actual drooling retard

>>748977516
obviously jumping on the wow classic train, but does anyone actually like modern runescape?

>>749011680
>they thought rmt/bots were the greater evil but i disagree
Their reasoning for destroying the game was that chinks were using stolen credit cards to run bots to farm gp.

>>749011773
no, but most haven't really tried it I imagine so this is a means of trying to open the door for new players without all the baggage of the even shittier RS3 mucking things up. if anything WoW forever is Blizzard hopping on the OSRS train

>>749011773
wow classic is jumping on the osrs train*
the rs3 fresh servers are not classic servers, they are the current version of rs3, but with new characters and a separate economy. the purpose of this is to phase out the old, broken economy that has been permanently destroyed by mtx and unobtainable rare items

>>749011773
The skilling has never been better. Mining and smithing recipes get really in depth. There are tons of BoP items to make for yourself that also need items you can't buy for gold. Late game crafting gotten really complex. Late game in general is just awesome once you get there.