Atlus pulled the same marketing tactic that Squeenix did, except they are utterly destroying SE's viewership. How did this even happen?
>>748986538Why do you even care?
I wouldnt worry about it. Final Fantasy will end after the FF7 Remake series ends.
>>748986604You cared enough to comment kek
It's so over FF bros...
>>748986538Atlus>makes RPGs>has as ad campaign about the RPGs they makeSquare Enix>just copies shit that's already popular and pastes it onto a skinwalking franchise coasting off people's fondness for a franchise from the 90s golden age of JRPGs>also made some games a decade ago>relies heavily on people's fondness for Matthew Mercer and Ben Starr to shill stuff for themYou understand how bad it looks when the most worthwhile shit in the SE video is stuff like Octopath and a fucking Final Fantasy Tactics remake
>>748987524>a fucking Final Fantasy Tactics remakeI forgot that even came out
>>748986538>LOOK COMPANY A DID BIGGER NUMBER THAN COMPANY Bwhat the fuck is with brownoid subhumans and their obsession with numbers
>>748987524>relies heavily on people's fondness for Matthew Mercer and Ben Starr to shill stuff for themWhat's equally humiliating to SE is that this video has nothing but literal who's, with Ben and Matt nowhere in sight
>>748987861idk you tell me, Metaflop schizo
>>748988075what the fuck does that even meanis this a bot??
>>748988187not fooling anyone here
>>748986538Squeenix is made up of out of touch retarded people that's why. Let me give you a good example. When they made Dissidia for the PSP it was a success and it built up a niche but dedicated fanbase. What did the retards at Squeenix do next? They turned Dissidia which is a 1v1 3D fighting game into a fucking MOBA when everyone was asking them to do a sequel. This pissed off the Dissidia fans and a chunk of them just became indifferent to the FF brand. Squeenix then repurposed Dissidia and turned it into a mobile game. Again nobody asked them to do this. People still wanted a 1v1 fighting game but Squeenix doesn't seem to get it at all. That's why they are all a bunch retarded executives.
>>748987727To be fair though, SRPGs are basically a poverty genre. Final Fantasy Tactics held a sales record that would stand since its release in the 90s for over a decade until Fire Emblems started releasing on the 3DS and culminating with 3H. It's why basically all indie SRPGs either play like FFT clones or now play like Fire Emblem.I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a quick turnaround thing to give Final Fantasy some positive press.
>>748986538Final fantasy still outsells Persona so what does all this really mean?
>>748988309>Dissidia into a mobileTwice! Thrice, even, if you're being anal and consider 3DS as *mobile*, 2 of them relatively has its own niche. The last one felt more like an outdated joke or insult more than anything.
>>748988589Are you sure about that?
>>748986538>>748988742>Outsells FF>Out-views FFmiserable failure of a brand. all it can do is parade the skin of nostalgia while it dies a very slow death
>>748988309It's also the game directors, not just the executives. They cannot fathom people enjoying turn based combat; they deluded themselves into believing that younger generations aren't interested in it, even after stellar examples like P5, BG3, Metaphor, and E33. There's also indie turn based games like StS. But none of those count though, apparently.
>>748986538The next FF should have a custom "Warrior of Light" protagonist who can Job change and romance all the other characters.That'll be a winner, surely.
>>748990334Jokes aside, at least a serious motion towards building the game around a job system would mean they're at least taking the idea of making an RPG seriously.
>>748990334mhm and they should also have a totally original mechanic where you need to rank up each of the female party member interactions and have a fuck scene at the end of them
>>748990003Even beyond recent examples, it's just ignoring that fucking Pokemon is 30 years old and has never felt the need to shy away from turn-based combat outside of odd experimentation like the Legends franchise. The best selling generations after the original 1st Gen are the ones that came out on the Switch.Turn-based combat is not anathema to the population interested in video games. The people that are just gonna watch a streamer play it and claim they "played it" were never going to play the game in the first place. Changing the genre and being ashamed of its RPG trappings is not going to fix people that are just fundamentally unadventurous in taste.
>>748986538They stopped making Final Fantasy games.
>>748986538It went to shit immediately after Enix got involved.
>>748986538FF hasn't been relevant since XIII. XV was their last chance and it was unfinished and messy crap with a stupid story. Square in general just doesn't make good games anymore, it's a lot of cute characters with the same bad beats over and over again. XVI is the only FF I haven't played and I feel no reason to.
>>748992608FF16 is not a Final Fantasy game, it's a DMC clone with FF references throughout it's story. But it's the furthest thing from an FF game.I was so bitterly disappointed with the game, after watching the trailers, following the news of the game for years since it's announcement to playing the Opening when they released it as a Demo, then finally getting access to the full game and it slowly dawned on me, there was no rpg system in this game, no exploration, no party, no mini-games, just not really much to do unless you were watching the cutscenes for the main story and progressing the game forward.There wasn't anything off the beaten track because there wasn't an off beaten track, it was incredibly linear.
>>748990003>They cannot fathom people enjoying turn based combatThe problem is that FF's turn-based combat is largely ass and always has been. I don't think that it's merely their opinion that people don't like turn-based combat, it's that they don't know how to make turn-based combat that anyone likes. Even FFTactics games are decades behind Nippon Ichi games, or semi-indie games like Shadowrun or Othercide are better at this point.
>>748986538you've been making persona/ff youtube view videos for monthsplease tell me you're getting paid for this
>>748993253FF16 really is FF Mystic Quest 2
>>748992489It will forever be bizarre to me that this trash was only relevant because Blizzard fucked up WoW so bad during BFA/SL. The second WoW was remotely playable everyone dropped this dogshit immediately.>>748993253I haven't played the 7Remakes either, they're just not appealing for the same reasons.
>>748986538I mean, I want Square to crash and burn but:EVERYONE though Atlus was teasing something and jewtube counts even previewing as views...then I turned out it was just a fucking ad for a steam saleSquare has nothing to be hyped about, they clearly already teased whatever they had planned with garbage part 3 and disney retards 4also the thumnail is missleading as fuck, 'your next game' like in 'your next PERSONA game'? then was not even closethe Square one screams ad just by glancing at it,even more when those FAGGOTS only make literally trash ad campaigns like D&D shit
What was the first FF for you younger anons? FF10 on your big brothers PS2?
>>748993471ThisFFT introduced a bunch of people to the genre, but nobody has played FFT for anything but nostalgia since foreverRandom, no name shit blows FFT out of the water all the time
>>748994060TECHNICALLY the first one I played was I think 6 on the snes, but I was barely conscious. The first one I played and remembered playing was 7. My dad would play it at night, and at some point I realized I could just start and play a file myself. I used Red 'cuz I liked dogs, and Barret 'cuz I thought he was a robot.
>>748994393Yeah Fire Emblem is significantly more well-regarded than FFT these days
>>748993471>problem is that FF's turn-based combat is largely ass and always has been.Yeah, despite all the flair and gimmicks they add, FF1 through FFX's combat systems are among the most basic X-in-a-row turn based games. FF is down there with Dragon Quest and Pokemon for the most brain-off combat systems, but where FF tries to lay on as much shit as possible yet still feels plain, those other games keep it simple on purpose.
>>748986538No one cares about Slop Enix anymore.
>>748986538Atlus lean into their roots.SE abuse their roots.Big difference.
>>748986538>How did this even happen?Brand inflation and overreliance on celebrities. Final Fantasy isn't a brand worth respecting anymore so why would I listen to its corporate creators tell me what I should and should not play?A lot of people didn't like Metaphor but some did, and the same can be said for Soul Hackers 2 and SMTVV and P3R and so on. Atlus is still making stuff and people tend to respect that more than one-trick pony.It's how you keep a vibrant audience.
Ben Starr is not as charismatic as he thinks he is and I'm tired of pretending he's anything but a pretty good VA.
>>748999687true but voice acting talent is far from square enix's biggest problem
>>748986538>Final Fantasythe ip that died on the ps2?
>>748990003Yep. One of Square's first blunder was thinking westerners are too dumb for their RPGs that's why they didn't release FF2, FF3 and FF5 in the west back in the 90s. What's ironic is the fact that I've seen Jap streamers struggle with western RPGs like Baldur's Gate or Divinity or Xcom. Japs don't even know that video game RPGs came from Dungeons and Dragons and they are not used to that system. Japs only know of the typical grind until you are overpower JRPGs with barely any strategy. Jap devs are just too smug and think highly of themselves that they become so out of touch they don't even realize everyone surpassed them.
>>748986538Based on thumnbnails alone, Atlus > Square Enix. I really hate soi faces.
Square Enix have never made a good game.They put their logo on FF10 but even that was mostly Squaresoft.
>>748990003I think it's an ego thing where the leadership refuse to admit they were wrong about turn based combat
>>749002323the younger staff all grew up on FF13the heads of the company never want to make FF13 again
>>748994060ff7 since im a eurofagfirst jrpg was pic though
>>749002323Squeenix in general is 90% run by people who are entirely out of touch, but certain of their own brilliance, or by simple con-men who got in during the era when Squeenix was new money and pilfered them to the tune of tens of millions of dollars
>>748986538who cares about shart enix in 2026? lmao
>>748986538I don't know. Why did FF7R sell more than the P5 franchise combined? Why did FF16 sell twice as much as Metaphor? Why doesn't views translate to owners?
I just want a new Grandia game...
>>748986538people aren't really interested in square enix anymorethey're the company that shit out a mediocre jrpg every 5ish yearsthat's all they are
>>749005235NEVER happening :(
>>748990334That's Jack's game you are describing minus the romance thingy.
