Worth or na?
Yes, are you retarded?
>>749003030its good. i beat the hd ver of 1st
>>749003030Pikced it up for 6aud, thanks OP
>>749003030Etrian Odyssey doesn't work outside of the DS/3DS. It was designed for the dual touch screen and stylus.
>>749004230You're an idiot, mouse controls are great. Not stylus level, but to say it doesn't work is stupid
Did you know it's free if you pirate it.
>>749003030Yeah. One entry alone is worth at least $20.
Do it, anon
>>749003030Buy it to fund the continuation of the series.
>>749003030Should've been remakes of Persona Q and Q2 if they really wanted to make money
>>749003030What site?
>>749007879loaded (formerly cdkeys)
I play the ds version, I can say the game is fun to play. I definitely recommend it.
>>749007701KWAB
4's soundtrack is so good
>>749003030Bro. Don't even hesitate.
>>749008693Genuinely wonder what the fuck Sega/Atlus was thinking with the EO collection's price. Did they really expect people to pay $80 for 3 DS games and $40 for each separately? Only Pokemon could get away with some dumb shit like that
Whats the catch? Why is this $50 game only $2 on this shady site? Ive only done humblebundle before. Can this site be trusted?
>>749009187Used to be cdkeys. Spent atleast $100 on their store and never once had problems that weren't resolved.
>>749009247>never once had problems that weren't resolvedSo you did have problems
>>749009515In the sense they sold me a code that they didn't actually have in stock. Got a refund very quickly. Nothing has ever been removed from my steam account even after years.
>>749003030This price is too good to be true. What's the catch?
>>749009147Should have been 40 for the lot. It was a retarded move.
Which one is the best one? I'm guessing the sequels add so much QoL that the previous entries become unplayable if you play them out of order.
>>749010317Yes.If you're going to play only one play the 3rd.
>>7490030303 at least is worth it.
*cough cough*untold iii.......no more gays........*cough**dies*
>>749009147I got the games without really hesitating. But I understand that I must have been in a small minority. But well. As a European, this was the first time that EO2 and EO3 have been officially released at all. And the idea of actually being able to own some official copies, while also showing that Europeans like this stuff too. I got it. Besides. $80 for all three games, is a lot cheaper than the games were initially sold for at release. And since this was kind of the first European release to begin with. It didn't feel that out of pocket. And what's more. These games hold up. If they were worth that kind of money way back when. Then they aren't really worth less today. The games are hardly worse now.
>>749009147weeee arrr japanesu prease understand
>>749009147I bought the physical copy just and did the survey that came with it too, it was all for nothing
>>749003030It's still baffling that they went with the originals instead of the ones like Millenom Girl and Fafnir, I bet they even have all the bugs and broken skills of the original releases too.
>>749010317>muh QoLThey're all playable. EO1 on the DS was just unbearably slow but that was fixed with the HD remakes.
>>749011312because they're completely different games from those remakesthey did some minor bug fixes and balance changes but nothing too big. Mostly just getting rid of the literally do nothing skill points and for some reason they buffed the charge skills in 3
>>749003030I paid 40 bucks for all that...
>Ordered all 3 games>Every key is marked as "Worldwide">1 and 3 redeem just fine>Steam won't accept the code for 2 because "it's not available for purchase in this country"What the hell is Steam talking about?
>>749010790>If they were worth that kind of money way back when. Then they aren't really worth less today.Nope, not really how it works. Especially when you have lots of other old collections getting released these days to compare them too. Megaman Battle Network Collection for example was $60 for 6 games, not counting the split versions separately, and that's with online trading and battling added for EVERY game. Even if you only buy vol 1 or 2 of the pack, it's still $40 for three games compared to EO's $40 for 1. Not to mention the MM Star Force Collection, another pack of DS games, that was also priced at $40 for 3 games. Castlevania Dominus Collection released at $25(!!!) as well.No matter how much you like EO, you don't have to defend bad pricing and let Sega get away with dumb decisions because you feel like you need to always defend a series you like. You have to know your market and they didn't which is why the collection underperformed. You'd have to be a dedicated EO fan to even consider that price tag and it scares away new players because most aren't going to take a chance on such expensive games that they aren't sure they'll like.
>>749011474Same here. Support replied pretty quickly at least. Hopefully they'll send me a working key because I don't want that EO2-shaped hole in my library.
>>749003030Out of these old ones, only 3 is any good
>>749011516All I'm really saying is that these games weren't really old in Europe. Since they had never been officially released there.
>>749003030Bought EO1 on Steam, but never installed it because apparently it has the same Denuvo problems that all SEGA games has been having since 2010.Will buying this from Loaded make it Denuvo-free?
> charge more than what the originals cost> there's still just mostly static sprites, and no additional content from the 3ds versions> well no one's interested in the series. Time to bury it againI hate Sega so fucking much
>>749011959No, but there are denuvo-free versions out there, because some intern fucked up on day one of the steam release and they were released without Denuvo at first
>>749011959I've been playing EO1 HD for weeks and have never noticed denuvo and I have a potato. I would have no idea it had it if people didn't bitch about it.
>>749011516EO collection sold pretty well. Well as well as a DS Wizardry clone can sell.
>>749009515its a game of averages.you can always buy on 100% legit sites and always get what you want 100% of the time at a higher cost or you can get shit three to ten times cheaper on these sites and maybe run into issues at some point.its kinda like using aliexpress. I dont care that much if I lose out on twenty bucks when I overall save hundreds over the years.
looks like these keys have an expiration date set for 2027 so they are dumping the prices to get rid of them asap.would explain this.
>>749012040I specifically do not want anything from the 3DS versions.
Nice little haul, for $25.. This site is cool, should check it in the future.Also I can confirm the Etrian Odyssey 2 code also didnt work for me. I sent in the request.
>>749012691>LiS: Double ExposureNigga what the fuck are you doing
>>749003030pretty good dealjust make sure to fix the fonts
>>749012763he's about to experience kino is what he's doing
>>749012763I got invested in the first game with /v/ back in the day... only $3... kinda wanna see what Max is up to nowdays...
>>749012808>kinda wanna see what Max is up to nowdays...Oh man, you're gonna hate it...
>>749003030
>>749012543How do you know this?
I dont get the appeal, is it just the cunny? the combats not really engaging, the progression didnt seem to be that good, so you just walk around drawing on the little map? even though it fills in with 95% of the info you need anyway?
>>749003030Damn, why the fuck are they so cheap for you guys? Still like $13 each in the US ($18.69 AUD).
>>749012851What are you trying to show us here?
>>749012851>.31 centChang is scamming. There ain't no way.
>>749012859The combat gets good in 3 once you get a little ways in and even early on you need to at least pay attention because some enemies will wreck your shit
>>749012859Tbh I dont get it either. I think its an RPG for people who basically hate story. They want pure RPG, make up their own story, their own characters, in their head while they play.I got it for the cunny but man this is boring. I dont like the menus.
>>749012808>woman who was cucked to death
I bought the games from it but couldn't redeem the key for EO2I guess getting 1 and 3 for the 5$ is good enough
>>749013231Other anons (and me) couldn't redeem 2 either. I contacted support and they'll reply in the next 72 hours, but if this is happening to everyone, they'll probably just refund the codes.
>>749011474Sam here, at least 4 anons in this thread have the same problem it seems. I already replied in their support email but haven't got another response yet.Hopefully we'll get the working EO2 key soon.
I also couldn't redeem EO2. Submitted a ticket and almost immediately got a response asking for screenshots, nothing since then though.Are there any other notable deals to grab?
>>749012857thats what it says on kinguin.you will keep the game but the key itself wont be of any use at that point.
>>749013375>digital good expiration lmao I guess something good can come out of this talmudic ritual for the consumers
>>749012951Worked for me.
>>749012859If you haven't fought any bosses yet, you haven't seen why people love the combat. You're also too early for any builds to come online.
how can Steam tell what's a EU code and what's not? If my account is set to MENA, can I redeem the EU codes?
Oh shit, I should have read thread. I bought 3 months ago so got 1 and 2 and while 1 worked, 2 didn't redeem. Anyways I spent so much time on 3 and probably got it for 20 dollars on sale but pretty sure I spent over 100 hours in it. Def worth it.
Can we get a new game like this already? Last one was fucking X, on the 3DS. God fucking damn it.
>>749013648part of the code says what region its for.you will probably want a RoW (rest of world) key. when the site says only for EU then it wont work for you but they might offer keys for your region (or world wide).there are other keysites that have it for cheap too I always check allkeyshop.com its a search engine for keyseller sites.
>>749013823neat
>>749012851now i feel ripped off paying 2 bux for this key LMFAO
what kind of rpg are these? dungeon crawlan grind games?
>>749015072Have you played Wizardry?
>>749003030They buffed the cunny debuffer in hd1.
>>749009147I preordered the collection. Retards like you are the reason we only get shityy dei slop instead of games for gamers.
>boot up EO 1>haven't played in fucking years and Nexus was probably the last one (or Etrian Mystery Dungeon if that counts)>make pretty basic but solid team (L/F front, M/A/T in back)>very first dungeon>get bodied by 3 moles>game overDamn... I really am rusty
>>749015282>>749015496Christ almighty, who the fuck actually plays 1?
>>749015282If you mean hexer there's still barely any reason to use the unlockable classes, all the starting classes have everything you need and it takes to long to grind them up
>>749015007Anon, if you're in Australia, why did you get the one that says, "cannot be redeemed in Australia"?
>>749003030Hell no!
>>749003030>search results for "etrain"
>>749015572What's wrong with EO1? None of the starting classes are actually bad and yeah it has bullshit like mandatory classes for the end game but the remaster fix the only real issue with the combat being slow as molasses
>>749016374They're so boring and uninspired compared to the classes in 2 and 3. 5 and X technically has interesting classes too but the balancing is too fucking shit.
Just beat 1. I hear there's a post game boss and such but I think I've had my fill.
>>749007701>>749008693EO is not dead yetThey recently had a collab with that one JP watch brand>>749009147>Did they really expect people to pay $80 for 3 DS gamesOn PC it feels absurd, but by Nintendo Switch standards it didn't feel too out of place$60 with a worldwide physical release would have been a better option.
>>749015572Me. 1 has the best atmosphere and the best stratum themes of the series, and I like the pure simplicity of the class design. It may not be perfectly "balanced", but since when has balance made a single player game more fun?
>>749016517All the games have postgame strata and usually like 5+ bosses
>>749015575I love little girls though, so I use the hexer.>>749015572Me, never played it before.
>>749016517>I've had my fill.I can respect that, but if you like teambuilding and prep then you're doing yourself a disservice by not checking out the superbossesThough to be fair, the postgame stratum is brutal in EO1. One of the floor is called something along the lines of>Going mad from self-doubtand it's definitely how it made me feel
>>749003292Are you?Play it on a ds
>>749003030Does anyone know if there are mods available for the games that boost XP? I liked these games but could never play them more than halfway through because of the unforgiving grind.
>>749011170I buyeded it, too. 90 fucking euros (not including shipping)
>>749017502The remaster has a babymode difficulty where you one shot most mobs and get more XPThat makes grinding trivial, you can then switch back to normal/hard
>>749012859>EUMore like EWWWWWWW lel
>>749017581Thanks for the info, anon. I looked into it and it seems there's a huge gap between the easy and mid difficulty levels (pic rel).
>>749003030Damn it guys, you bought them all;_;
>>749017739That's because the difficulties are>baseline>slightly easier>fuck it I'm stuck, send help
>>749017881other keysellers have it for cheap too check allkeyshop
>>749005108Meh, it fucking sucks painting maps with your mouse and keyboard.
>>749017985Can you change mid-way through the game?
>>749009187Lots of shady sites get keys from Pajeets that need to launder the money they stole from grandma.
>>749018130If it's like the 3ds ones, yeah
>>749018072That site is shitting itself right now. Can't even search for a game lol.
>>749017040I was planning on playing it but I read you NEED a protector and I don't have one in my party.
>>749018218works on my machine.try one of those sites.
Sex with Hexers.
>switching to the easiest mode to grindShit, that's possible?
>>749003030I love being a PCfag.
>>749003030thanks op! a shame i will never play them
and none of these penny keys will contribute to sega's salesguess the rest of the series aren't coming to PC ever
>>749012859If you don't get it then the genre simply isn't for you. A developer could make what is objectively the best FPS in the world and I still wouldn't "get it" simply because I do not enjoy the genre. I'm not going to be a retard who runs to a public forum to ask people how I'm supposed to have fun with the game though because that would be stupid.
>>749018779This is true, genuinely just pirate games rather than getting them off keysites. It doesn't even have drm so that's not an excuse either.
>>749018460Thanks bruh, Kinguin had them
>>749003030You can pirate it all for free.
>>749018809I like the convenience of having games on one platform. A game would have to cost at least $20 a key for me to consider pirating.
>>749018710Love your email address
>>749018829>pirating etrian odyssey kinoYou should use a gun and blow your brain.
>>749018954SHIT! ONONONOONONONO, HOW DO I DELETE MY POST???????
>>749019012The devs don't get a single cent from games bought off these keysites retard. There's functionally no difference between pirating it and buying it from there.
>>749019085Depends, a lot of keysites sell legit copies.
>>749019085But I get cloud saves across devices.
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>Etrian odyssey, metal slug tactics, and Symphony of war under 5 buxThanks OP
Encountered the big Etrian Odyssey reference in Metaphor. It was great. Glad I finally played EO last year.
>>749019085key websites buy keys in bulk for a discount directly from the publisher. They also use region fuckery to get even bigger discounts. So every legit key out there was purchased and some money does go to game creators/owners. If publishers felt screwed by these sites they would simply stop selling keys to them but when someone asks to buy 5k keys I guess it's hard to say no.
>>749003030Do you want to play them or do you want to buy them because just five bux?
>>749020548they will look good in my collection
>>749020548I'll play halfway through them again and get filtered before quitting, except with cloud save support this time
>>749020603Can it really be a collection when you're legally just renting them?
>retards only just learning that people sell unwanted humble choice keysTendies did irreparable damage to this boardAnyway, fuck no, they're not worth it, the remasters are fucking terrible. Just get yourself a 3DS and play them using twilightmenu. As a bonus you'll also get the 3DS exclusives that will most likely never get ported because the HD remasters were colossal flops.
>>749020770>Tendies did irreparable damage to this board>Just get yourself a 3DS
>>749020861I got called a 3DSnoy once for shitting on the EO demasters once, that's all.
>>749020698yes
>>749019021Too late Dobson, I am already filling your email box with retrieve password messages
>sold outAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFUCKING NIGGERS
>>749003030I'd just rather pirate that shit. Buying them for 3DS or whatever could be pretty cool, though.
>>749019682>Already taken when I figured it outDamn
>>749013445I can see the point, you don't want to be obliged into REDEEM(tm)ing keys eternity, like some faggot trying to use the key 20 years later and pestering you about it.
>>749003030Only 3 is worth, the others are barebone and boring if you have played other blobbers.
Too bad for the trannyslation.Prince\princess : sovereign.Lmao.
>>749009187It's usually the cheapest place that isn't a dodgy key marketplace, you'll be fine. I've been buying from there for years
Claude, port etrian odyssey 4 to PC
>>749012851Aye and then they'll chuck on some bullshit charges at the end, maybe try and get you to sign up for a scam subscription. I'd rather just not fuck with key sites if i can avoid it
>>749022321Just emulate the 3DS version, there's even a patch to speed up animations and walking so it plays just as fast as the later 3DS games
>>749022764>Implying you'll find a 3ds emulator and the rom after the nintendo purge of the last year.Good luck with that.
>anons discover key sites like Loaded (formerly cdkeys) in this threadhow old are you guys?
Oh sweet, a thread. I actually bought this on a sale when Palworld 1.0 came out but didn't start playing them till august. I finished 3 and loved it. Playing 2 now and wish I had played this first.>make the cookie-cutter team on expert>1st stratum is pretty brutal>2nd even more so>FOEs and quests give no exp. sucks.>needed to gather stuff but no off-party exp gain like in EO3 to passively level a gathering team>grinded up a survivalist team>took too long so bumped the difficulty down to do that>feel like I cheated but whatever>go back to expert for regular party play>blindsided encounters with confusion and paralysis>game over lol>hexer cheeses the game sometimes when she feels like landing statusesNot gonna lie, almost wanted to quit at points, but I'm on stratum 3 now and it seems to have eased up a bit.
>>749003030Only Etrian 3 is worthwhile
>>749015364>I'm the goodest of the goysRUMAO(raughs)
Cool.
>>749023209>Not gonna lie, almost wanted to quit at points, but I'm on stratum 3 now and it seems to have eased up a bit.That's how it goes for every Etrian. Actually that's how it goes for pretty much 80% of games regardless of genre or series.
>>749003030>buying denuvo infected gamesLol you cant be serious
>>749004230crazy how some of you retards actually like drawing mapsyou're not mapping out a vast land, its a series of fucking corridors and doors mate. the landmarks that are worthwhile are incredibly sparse
>>749023589Yeah but I actually genuinely enjoyed my time with 3 all the way through. 1st stratum was a little tough, especially since I had a ninja that wasn't too useful other than escaping random battles so I essentially was working with 4 party members till I unlocked subclassing. EO2 is just kinda miserable in the early game. So much warping back because of bullshit, on top of having what feels like having a smaller TP pool. That sidequest where you have to stay in the labyrinth for 3 in-game days was so ass, I also did that on picnic difficulty. The reward wasn't worth it at all.
>>749009147all publishers are retarded, it's that simple. these games should have launched at like 10 quid each, max. i simply got them all in humble bundles with other shit i wanted because they're simply not worth this.
>>749003030It was worth full price to me. If you like dungeon crawlers it's the best deal on the market Or you could just pirate them
>>749012232This. I wouldn't know there's lead in paint or asbestos in drywall if no one said anything, they should just stop complaining and lick the boot like we do.
>>749011959>Will buying this from Loaded make it Denuvo-free?Are you a fucking idiot? If I put on a new door to your room does it change the interior of the room?
>>749023209Early game is where you get gaped the hardest because you have less ressources, lower stats, weaker skills and probably have less of an idea how to manage things properly. It typically eases up at around the 3rd Stratum for most games, just like what you're experiencing.
>>749003030>"drpg">look inside>WORDS WORDS WORDS
>>749018460What page is that?
>>749024164read nigga readIt's allkeyshop
>>749016517its atlus, the superbosses fucking suck just like smt. they cannot design bosses, they can only design puzzles and you need to do x/y/z on x turn or you auto lose. the eo1 superboss is no different. played it last year, pushed myself to kill the 3 post game dragons at least, but cannot be fucked playing the atlus puzzle, its not fun and it doesn't even feel rewarding or enjoyable when you win because of the way they design shit. beat smt5 last year too, same shit there.all you gotta do is see that the cute samurai and hexer are okay and alive back in town after the incident and then you've seen what the game has to offer
>>749016517The post game up to the super boss is my favorite part of every EO game. Almost every single superboss is aids
>>749003030EO I is a decent crawler that you'll really appreciate down the line. The tone is fairly unique, more Sark Spire than Etrian Odyssey.EO2 has some of the most aesthetically pleasing dungeons in the series, and made titanic steps when it comes to party building. It's also the worse game in the series and its side content isn't worth doing.EO III is the one you should play if you're only going to play one. Legit in the top 10 dungeon crawlers of all time, incredible game. EO IV is the best dungeon crawler ever made, though a bit too easy.EO V would be the best dungeon crawler ever made if EO IV didn't exist.EV Nexus is a titanic diamond in the rough. Play every game before it.The Untold games are a but mediocre, though the second one is pretty decent if you don't do its story mode.
>>749022821
>>749008026>Sold outMotherfuckers
>>749024152>EO>WORDSWORDSWORDSfucking idiot. The entire story of an EO game is probably 2 pages across 40 hours. The average souls game has more
>>749024559you lying piece of shit
EO2 feels extremely redundant.So far its really just retracing all the steps of the first game, including the early big mantis FOE.And it looks like it just deliberately nerfd all the EO1 classes and overbuffed the new ones/previous shitter ones.
>>749024626The only one lying is you. EO games tend to get blasted for having incredibly minimalist stories
>>749024626Unless your playing untold (fake EO games) that's just not the case
>>749016575EO is dead cause the team that made the recent EO games went on to make SMT V. They have no other team that can make SMT games. So who can they find to make EO?
>>749007701Eight fucking years and they haven't said a goddamn thing.
>>749024701It's more like Etrian 1.5
>>749024874It's gonna be twice as big as nexus and have the best maps in the seriesNEXT. STAGE. SOON.
>>749024827EO Next must have been pretty deep in development before the lackluster sales of HD remaster shifted their prioritiesI'm still holding onto hope
>>749024954
>>749024701It's pretty often the worst game in the series for a reason.
>>749009147
>>749024954You know how Monster Hunter got its best and biggest game on 3DS but then completely shifted design philosophy?EO Next might as well be titled EO World
>>749024701Okay but have you considered the fact that it has the best title screen?
>>749024934
>>749025206Unbridled soul.Forever the best gunner art too.
>>749025156C E A S E I don't want the game popular with normalfags I just want a good game
>>749025156I had a dream that the new EO was a reboot and it was actually an online 3d dungeon crawling game, you had a story mode but you could pick one party member to play online with. Was actually pretty cool.
>>749019682Why would you post it in plain text like that? There bots literally scraping posts like this that AI can solve in seconds.
>>749025406but the games are already 3d dungeon crawlers...
>>749025406Coop dungeon crawling could be fun, but it could also be very frustrating>FoE has a 1/3rd chance to unleash a devastating ice attack>Your protector doesn't have the anti-ice skill>Instead spams front row protection>Your backrow dies>Nobody but the dead medic thought to bring Nectars>Hours of progress lost
>>749003030That's a pretty good price
>>749025580Looks pretty 2D to me
does playing the Fapnir Knight make 2 any more enjoyable?recently got a replacement 3ds and need a game to play.
>>749025667No. Fafnir is wildly OP though
>>749003030EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND READ MY POST BEFORE REPLYINGProbably been talked to death, but are the remasters better or worse than the originals? Are they pretty much just the original games in 16:9 that respect the original artstyle or to they '''improve''' the graphics and censor dialogue ect.Obviously they aren't going to have touch screen controls or a second screen, so there's not point mentioning that.
>>749025667Even if you play the classic mode, pretty much all FOE and boss encounters were turned into puzzles, the boss having huge health pools you aren't actually supposed to try to take on, you have to reduce them by dropping them in a hole or hitting them with missiles without being caught beforehand. Some people don't like that but I do appreciate that they tried something different.
>>7490252063 has the best one because holy crap it changes to nighttime sea with the soothing music. HD ruined that though
Alright got 3 for less than a buck.There's no change from ds version right? no class buff or nerf?
>>749025631etrian odyssey: cubeit turns out to be a tesseract
>>749025737They are better in every way except map controls and text font. The latter is extremely easy to fix
any of these keysites have Ys 8 in stock? for some reason Ys games are not going on sale anymore
>>749025737There really is no reason to play them on DS unless you really want that map on the second screen. The have they exact same balancing with some of the shittier skills being buffed, and you have the option to speed up walking in dungeons and battle animations. They're straight upgrades but you can cry that the font is bad I guess.
eiyuuden is very cheap. is it a bad game or something?
>>749012851holy shit chang wasn't lying this shit works
>>749026164thank you for your data.
>>749026243
>>749025869>>749025982That's good to hear. At a glance the HD fonts are pretty ugly, which is weird because they used a nice font for the roman text in the Japanese version.Not a problem if you can mod in another font though.
>>749026410>he doesn't knowspoilered for your own sanity
>>749025737The only thing they change besides mapping and difficulty options is that they tweak a few useless skills to be less shit, mostly by lowering the skill point requirement. There's no changes at graphics or dialogue.
>Etrain
>>749023945>crazy how people actually like playing a game!
Beat the Abby God without using a cheese strategy Buccaneer, HoplitePrince, Wildling and Zodiac
>>749025737They're strictly better unless you're some kind of turbo purist autist.
>>749026995>using princeare you a woman? pls be in london.
>>749027149Shota princeHe's the son of the protector from Etrian Odyssey 1
>>749026995>>749027149I prefer Princess()
>>749026164How are you only now finding out about keys.You haven't been paying $40-$80 for games this whole time, r-right, Anon?
>>749026908i wanted a real train game though...
>>749026995Ok>Retires half your party
>>749027401
It works but they kept updating the cart price until the 0.25 key was 0.50 and also added a 0.70 service fee after. Still peanuts. And I still won't play it and keep playing my DS and/or non-denuvo version.
>>749028137>And I still won't play it and keep playing my DS and/or non-denuvo versionSame. I already have them on DS and I already pirated the HD versions and I already played both. It'll probably be years before I replay them so there's just no point me buying these even if it's nearly free. I don't want more unplayed shit sitting in my steam library.
Why so many people gifting the game key for free in steam forum?
>>749024107I've had the opposite experience, 3rd stratum is where the games expect you to have everything planned out with a skill simulator or you get fucked.
>>749019228This, this and this. Last year I bought an Atelier game whose name I forgot. I had saved the game thinking it had cloud enabled, so my 5-year-old wife's daughter broke into my room again then crashed in my gaming PC again, killing all my ssd and the 5090 rtx gpu I got from her mother's bf. So now I have lost all my save data for that game because kemco koei is too retarded to add FUCKING CLOUD SAVE IN THEIR FUCKING GAMES.
>>749028137>DenuvoDamn, I no longer feel so bad spending 80 bucks on the Switch physical
>>749026981playing the game is playing the game, walking around, looting, fighting stuff, going back to town, levelling up, buying equipment. 'playing the game' is not "place the doors on the map btw you have no need to ever return to this door either its purely for ocd purposes" anon sorryand mapping gets exponentially worse the further you progress, anyone who mapped out the post game stratum in eo1 beyond its 1st or 2nd floor instead of just looking up the map is a circus clown. you have genuine mental problems if you are like "i need to map out this teleporter maze, i need to map out every tile when 80% of this floor is tiles that drop you down a floor", just simply stop being ocd and dont do that
>>749028790they were in the humble bundles, i guess these people were buying the bundle anyway for other stuff and had already bought the games
>>749029523yeah. In dungeon crawlers with a focus on complex questing, nonlinear exploration and revisiting areas it's a lot of fun to map it out yourself, but EO is none of these things so it's glorified connect-the-dots
>>749029638>these people were buying the bundle anyway for other stuff and had already bought the gamesMore likely they barely looked at the games' artstyle and tags, then thought they weren't even willing to try itIt's sad, but I can respect someone who knows their own tastes
Atlus and square saved the dsEo triolgyTrauma centerStrange journey Desu1 and2 Like 7 dragon quest games spinoff monsters ports a mainlineBest versions of ff3 and 4Twenwy 2 pretty good for heavy limitations kh gamesNintendo was asleep making dogshit zelda games or something.They Made the console a jrpg haven
Mary Skelter is on sale, should i give it a go?
Princess/hoplite/bucaneer/ninja/farmerhope I don't get raped
>>749029909I heard good things about Mary Skelter 2 (and bought it on sale)Dunno about 1
>>749003030>buy games>they demand a photo of your passport for verification
>>749029909>>7490302232 includes an improved version of 1. Don't bother with vanilla 1.
>>749003030no, the original unmolested undemaked first game is the only one worth playing, and none of those are it, so
>>749030359>Its trueWhy the hell is the first one even available for purchase
>>749031136>Why the hell is the first one even available for purchaseEven "obsolete" versions should still be availableBut yeah, putting it on sale and promoting it is weird
>>749029021>her mother's bf???
>>749029909It's okay. They are not as good as EO and mostly devolve into hyper offensive team comps. Even more so than EO games. MS2 also crashed a lot for me causing lost progress.
>>749012859Your brain is the thing leveling up instead.
>>749003030dunno what shop is this but the steam versions have denuvobetter to emulate nds version
>>749011474not losing much, 2 is the worst of the three imo
>>749029909They're interesting enough dungeon crawlers.The big twist is that each region has an FOE that will occasionally spawn near you and operates in semi-realtime while you still work in turn-based.It ten chases you until you evade it or defeat it somewhat in battle, but it will respawn after a time because each one is also the final boss of the region.I think the redo in 2 cut an element, rebalanced things to be a bit easier, and cut the dungeons WAY down. They're fuckhuge in the original version.But I've only played the remake version
>>749003030My thanks to that one atlus intern who massively fucked up and released it without Denuvo. I still cant believe people paid full price for this shit
>>749012859This guy got killed by a fruit and is still coping.
>>749003030Nope, pirate it. Buying it only gives money to nu-atlus, which isnt worth a shit and only funnels all their effort into making a new trannysona. Etrian is forgotten and dead. They announced a new etrian 7 years ago and carrot-on-a-sticked all etrian fans that if they buy the remakes there might be a chance for a new game *wink wink* and even though they sold good there is nothing even close to a new etrian. even worse - they put the etrian team on the new persona.its super etrianoverfuck atlus
I completed 1 and 2 100% but for some reason I can never bring myself to finish all of 3. The best I did was beat one ending and then just forgot about back on the DS. Same thing with the remaster, I finished 1 and 2 but haven't even finished the 3rd stratum in 3, and I've had them since launch.
>>749008693>>749010790>>749011516>>749004230Etrian Odyssey died with the rest of the Japanese AA industry when handheld consoles were discontinued. It wasn’t because Etrian Odyssey mechanically cannot work without the 3DS’ dual screens (the collection already showed that). It’s because games like Etrian Odyssey needed an environment like handheld consoles provided to thrive. An environment just for lower budget games where they can be sectioned away from higher budget AAA games. The moment handhelds like the 3DS and Vita died and these games were forced onto HD console platforms to compete with the AAA games being sold at similar prices it was over, the ballooning dev costs priced them out. Now unless you sell them for pennies you get people like in this thread calling them shovelware or a ripoff because they are being sold alongside Breath of the Wild and GTA. Meanwhile, mobile gacha games took over the space that A and AA games used to fill by providing a similar environment. Except that quickly got crept out too by Chinese companies shitting out giant AAA MMOs disguised as gacha games and now Japanese companies are just stuck because Japan is too poor, old and traditional to be able to scale up to the level of China and their colossal labor pool.
>>749022764does the patch work with luma?I want to replay 4 but god it'a fucking slow and laggy even on a n3ds
>>749012859I tried EO1 back when it was new on the DS; FoEs kept kicking my ass, and I dropped the gameAll these years later I fell in love with the series, finished all 3 HD remasters and bought the 3DS exclusivesFrom my experience, you really need the game to "click"It also helps when you come up with some personality for each member of your team
>>749009515they're all dodgy to some extentI used one of the popular ones a couple of years back and I'm used to wrapping my digital penis before interacting with those aids infested websites so I get to the checkout by paypal and they ask for ID AFTER I PAID THE FUCKING MONEY which was like wtf then I had to submit a data deletion request and reported them to paypal and got my refundwish I could remember the name but it's one of those websites you see in the list on that one website that aggregates them by price and it was at the topTL;DR they're all dodgy and it's pure luck whether you get scammed (or scam them back by refunding $60 keys but I only did that twice lol)
>>749024260honestly Nexus is the only one that nailed superbosses outside of Abyssal Bitch
>>749034019I remember the ID request thing that was some years ago. I instantly demanded a refund and got one. Not sending my shit to chang.Mustve been so unpopular that they dropped it fast.For me it was mmoga Im sure.
>>749025206truth nuke or whatever the kids say these dayswhy did they drop this in favor of going back to static title screens?
>>749033712https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m5G-ZQvXsmM68TCrSv2bWfKz2SfSc7xq-REfMXMhAEc/edit?tab=t.0ctrl+f Speed Patchit lists a luma folder location as one of the install options, so I imagine it should work
>>749033409>Etrian Odyssey died with the rest of the Japanese AA industry when handheld consoles were discontinuedIt's cruel how a company can release a legitimately fun game on Switch, price it at $40, just like a handheld game and then have it either be shat on or ignored because it doesn't meet expectations of what an HD console game should be.The Switch 2 doesn't help the situation either, not any future portable PS6
>>749009187The catch is that most of those keys come from credit card scams. You personally won't feel any repercussions from it, but the devs get jackshit out of it.
did atlus actually rebalancing the game? didn't see any rape cat until I finished mapping 1st floor.
>>749035000They only show up in certain areas of floor 1 (near the stairs and the northwestern area), but you need to be quite lucky to map it out fully without encountering one
>>749034848Let's be real Japanese devs have always been complete dogshit at pricing because they're far too used to the pre-mainstream days where an IP could justify itself simply by pandering to the type of people who spend hundreds of anime girl figures. That doesn't cut it anymore but they still insist on pricing games that way so you get these niche games costing $40-60 and they're getting absolutely fucking demolished by indie shit at a fraction of the cost.
>>749035305It's definitely tough justifying spending $40 or $50 on a good but not great AA Japanese game, when you could instead get an indie title that's just as fun for $20 at most
>>749035148how about wildling and ninja, do they get dedicated summon slot like in v
>>749035684No, there's no major changes in these rereleases, only "buffs" are literal bugfixes for nonfunctional skills
>>749003030>1,2,3Yes. >4No casual slop >5Uses a different battle system, personal preference >Untold 1,2Casual slop for brain dead waifu faggots >NexusDisappointing but decent
>>749034409probably that one yeahI think most of them are run by one or two shady chink companies but I can't be assed to do much research these days I never really buy from key sites but back in the day g2a was solid before everyone found out about key resellers and publishers wised up to it and implemented tighter regional pricing which mostly solved that problem
>>749035948Untold 1 on Expert is harder than any other Etrian game
>>749036173>spam evil eye>tell enemies to kill themselvesnice difficulty bro
>>749029021>Being the paypig she settled forI hope your wife's boyfriend's daughter isn't black at lease.
I still have hopes for the 20th anniversary because I'm a retard
Did anyone else's key for 2 not work? 1 and 3 worked fine for me
>>749036391When I first read that skill description, it sounded like the coolest thing everToo bad it's unlikely to land in EO1
>>749025547I managed to snag a key a couple of times in threads like this and also had people tell me that they managed to redeem a key I posted, so that just sounds like bullshit people parrot without knowing if it's actually true.Let's test that theory, here's the first Vermintide: HY559-J3349-483CZPlease post that the code worked for you if you used it
>>749029909The PC ports all shit from what I hear. I tried playing the first one and after it crashed twice I looked around and saw that the PC version just does that every hour or so. You can save anywhere so it's not a critical issue if you don't mind closing and reopening the game over and over but I didn't want to put up with that. I saw mentions of the second game randomly crashing too but that might of been more of a hardware thing. I'm not going to bother playing it myself to find out.
>>749037582Thanks, I was looking for a game to play coop with a friendI grabbed it 6 minutes after your postHow would a bot even make money by activating keys?
>>749038073I always figured that if there WERE bots, they'd just be there to give some guy free games, rather than for making a money.
>>749037090Read.
>>749036687My wife's 5-year-old daughter is white and blonde.
>>749003030No, those games are boring.
>>749038507read what nigger, it's a worldwide code and the other 2 worked, fuck off
>>749036173t. never played OG2 or 3
>>749029021>my 5-year-old wife's daughterGood God they start them young these days
>>749003030I miss it bros. Why did all the dungeon crawlers die?
>>749039221To be perfectly blunt a vast majority of them are shit with no real appeal beyond having some cute anime girls.
>>749003030>>749039221Wizardry variants Daphne is turning two years old on a week
>>749039514Thanks, I'll check it ou->no longer supports windows 10 as of oct 15eurghh....
>>749038859>3 >hardMaybe when your 152 isn't hard either if you know how insanely retarded DH is
>>749034848>The Switch 2 doesn't help the situation eitherNintendo with the Switch 2 is actively making it worse, in fact. They are very clearly trying to market it as an alternative to the PS5 and Xbox, moving back to competing more directly with them by trying to market the Switch 2 as AAA-capable with games like Cyberpunk as launch titles and the push for more “realistic” Unrealslop styles in Star Fox and the Ocarina of Time remake. I suspect this is also partly the reason they’ve returned to censorship and policing content on games releasing on their consoles again. Can’t let the FIFA and GTA audience see some anime tiddies or lolis, after all. Contrast with the Switch 1 where at least at the beginning they were very obviously trying to position it as a successor to the Vita and scoop up the Japanese AA/otaku audience that Sony abandoned to become the western AAA machine including deliberately counterplaying Sony’s own censorship policies by publicly stating they wouldn’t censor games on Switch. Which is all disgustingly ironic in hindsight as evidently they decided Sony had the right of it after all and as soon as the Switch was on top they immediately moved to throw the Japanese AA audience under the bus the same way Sony did.
>>749039221Labyrinth of Touhou just got a new release at least
>>749039221Ge?
>>749039514It also fucking sucks. Have fun with your dungeon chores
Immunize is perfectly balanced.Ecstasy is perfectly balanced.Action boost is perfectly balanced.
>>749040194Most EO has the same pitfalls as most other dungeon crawlers, once you learn of or stumble upon the really broken stuff it makes the games a breeze unless you willingly avoid it, but doing so usually makes some classes unplayable.
>>749036391>Pre nerf Immunize >Dark hunter>Half of the toption in 3Every game has strong shit. EOU is still the hardest game
>>749040194Kek I made almost the exact same post I really should have read the rest of the thread
>>749039221I forgot what flavor of proton these needed to run the cracked version
>>749040118Dungeon Travelers 2. The Original is on Steam, 2 and 2-2 are FOREVER BANNED because some normie/tranny saw sexy anime girls during the store listing review.
>>749038889My wife is not 5, that's her daughter.
>>749040693I'm just making fun on your English in your bait post retard
>>749040673Been on the docket for years. I'll get around to then eventually. It's 2-2 an entrance version of 2 or it's own thing
i just feel like there's nothing new to this genreare there any blobbers or whatever that really change things up?
>>749040769It's done on purpose, anon. Why do you think I keep saying she's 5?
>>749039221>>749033409Because when you try and sell a game like that on consoles, unless it has big open world landscapes in 4K and six gorillion hours of (padded) content, AAA monkeys will dismiss it as shovelware unless you sell it to them for basically free.
After eo3 i'll bloob the follow up to strangers of sword city. Art is shit compared to the first one, i'll never understand why dropping one of the best art for a blobber.
>>749009187Loaded is a grey market, not black market. They don't do shit like sell keys that potentially used stolen cards. What they do is purchase keys directly from developers, but from countries with way lower prices like third world countries. But often times developers just sell them international keys, which means they can immediately resell the keys to other people for higher (but still discounted) prices. In other words its not illegal, its not risky but it is kinda scummy since you're essentially ripping off devs from getting their "potential" profits.
>>749039221Zoomies can't see the apple.Simple as.
>>749040981Are you too retarded to realize your statement was inaccurate and poorly phrases? It's your matter of English too low to understand it should be>My wife's 5 year old daughter
>>749041118>he doesn't understand it's on purpose along with all the others innuendos in my previous pastas about it
>>749003030The trilogy got posted online with no DENUVO on day 1, there is no reason to spend money on a dead franchise.
>>749041250I understand your shitty bait post anon
>>749040817Entry level is either ToHeart: Dungeon Traveler or Dungeon Travelers 2. I don't recommend 2-2 as entry point as it's the last entry and it builds off a what-if ending to 2. ToHeart: Dungeon Traveler uses characters from ToHeart 2 and is a standalone story. All 3 games have a pretty basic story to them but TH:DT is its own thing and leans some on knowing the ToHeart 2 characters. Personally I started with DT2 on the vita release and then played 2-2 and then went back to TH:DT years later. It's hard to say which is my favorite because they all play similarly but have different balance quirks to them that I both liked and disliked. They are all some good dungeon crawler games though.
>>749041345The fact you get mad about it is proof it's was a successful bait. It's hilarious that you'd get mad about it in a fucking Etrian Odyssey thread too.
>>749041482Because I hate retards anon. I get angrier every year
>>749041354I remember reading that Dungeon Travelers 2 was deliberately designed as an entry point because the first entry wore its nature as a ToHeart spinoff on its sleeve and after people praised it as a dungeon crawler in its own right they made a sequel that was lighter on the ToHeart connections.
>>749040301That isn't really a problem though. The problem is that (you) immediately run to gamefaqs and look up the best builds and then complain about the game being too easy. Meanwhile the game is balanced around the player not knowing everything and playing suboptimally while figuring things out slowly.
>>749041732>The problem is that (you) immediately run to gamefaqsMore like lol at a skill planner for 2 minutes. If these games provide stats in game it would be immediately apparent how horribly broken some skills are
>>749003030I live under a fucking rock are not the steam versions basically "neutered" because they dont contain the extra stuff from the 3ds versions or some shit?
>>749041650Yes it was. 2 is a great entry point, I recommend it. And you can always go back and play 1 later if you get addicted. Other than sharing some art of the monstergirls with 1, there's really no major connections and it was intended to be a standalone world. 1 is basically just an isekai for the girls of ToHeart and it doesn't try to pretend to be anything deeper than that.
I only finished the 4th game.Did I miss out on anything?
>>749041925No? EOU is a remake that has a story mode (not great to outright bad) and is basically a massive balance patch + grimiors (which is the most aids mechanic in any dungeon crawler ever)
>>749039414I'd say we still get a good one every 2 years or so
>>749042082We for labyrinth of Touhou Tri this year so see you in 2028!
>>749042082is there anywhere on 4chan that follows and discusses blobbers? /v/ can be pretty shit when most game discussion gets swallowed up by AAA discussion and the like.
>>749042324I remember /vrpg/ having a thread for them. Don’t know if it’s still there though.
>>749042069Do you have to play the story mode thing or you can still do things the old way?also is the balance patch a good or a bad thing in this situation?
>>749041581Nah, you are offended by cunny. Maybe it's time for you to go back to the ribbit website.
>>749042069can you play without grimoirs or is it one of those scenarios where the game is rebalanced around them?
Next Stage?
>>749040027how is the touhou labyrinth game, good?
>>749039981/v/ bitches and moans about handheld studios jumping ship to smartphones, but it's not like they had a choice. Homosexuals (many of which are here) cheered on the death of true handhelds as well.We're lucky if consoles get a sloppy seconds port, because it's unlikely to leave Japan otherwise.
>>749043120The second and third ones (only ones on steam) are both pretty good.
>>749009187Key sites set their own prices, it's supply and demand. On Steam the publishers themselves set the prices so you'll never see prices like this outside of indie titles.
>>749043593wait, so what happened to the first one? is it necessary to play the first one before the others?and why is the older game on steam more expensive than the new one?
>>749017431I'm too old and too blind to play anything on DS anymore. I struggle to see things on my 32 inch monitor even. Legally blind, here I come!
>>749040330please point out what makes it the "hardest" as I had way more trouble with earlier games than Untold 1you're just repeating yourself without making any sense
>>749044159>wait, so what happened to the first one?Nothing, it was never on Steam. He never put it there because it's old as fuck, it looks like shit and it doesn't run well on modern computers.>is it necessary to play the first one before the others?No, there's no continuing story or anything.>and why is the older game on steam more expensive than the new one?Because it comes with an expansion pack
>>749042680Game is balanced around them. The super boss is basically required to have a several hour grind sesh for them
>>749042598>Nah, you are offended by cunnyYou are a post ironic cunny fag. I have been fapping to loli since /l/ existed
>>749044583>I had way more trouble with earlier games than Untold 1Probabaly because you played the older ones first. Untold 1 is a much harder game and you are the only retard claiming otherwise
>>749042559There is classic which is the old style. If you haven't played 1 I would play 1hd over EOU
>>749039221haven't played it but Cinnabar Nights got released this year
>>749045973>The fuck is this I have never heard of that>22 reviews in a game that came out less than a month agoMost blatant shilling I have seen in months
>>749046197>>The fuck is this I have never heard of thatwow imagine that
>>749046529>Implying22 reviews equates to a couple hundred sales. Virtually no one in the planet has heard of your game get better at shilling
>>749035948>Uses a different battle systemLiterally the only real difference is that summons have their own dedicated slots.
>>749024152>>749024626Truly a baffling kind of bait.
>>749046661Even the average quality of bait is getting aweful. Like pale imitation of bait. Every single bait post is "you just threw the entire rod in" tier
>>749035948Best way to experience 1,2,3 these days? The OGs?
>>749044648thanks, makes sense. tri looks a lot better than lot2 desu, can i just go straight for tri?
>>749046893Originals on ds or the hd remakes on steam. Emulating the originals is retarded the only reason to play them is access to the touch screen map
>>749046893Also that guy is a fucking retard btw. All are good but yes 4 is easy as shit by comparison
>>749046621I could probably name 5 DRPGs you've never heard ofNot my fault the extent of your awareness begins and ends with xitter trends
>>749003030No. It's one of the worst series Atlus has ever made.
>>749047154>He says in an EO threadMan stop pretending it isnt your release let alone a release anyone was looking forward to
>>749045973When people say "why is x dead" they are saying why have major releases slowed down. Not literal bottom of the barrel trash released in the same genre because of course there is something going to be released in the genre
>>749047239>laments the lack of new DRPGs>gets recommended one>"STOP SHILLING"thanks for reminding me why I don't discuss dungeon crawlers on this board
>>749047154When has EO ever trended in twitter?
>>749047467You pointing out a game you claim to not even played that is virtually invisible isn't discussion anon. If you actually provided input on how it's good after playing it you might have had a point
>>749047418>complaining about lack of major releases>in a fucking EO threadyeah the genre is better off "dead" instead of catering to poser faggots
>>749047467If it means anything to you, the latter wasn't me and I've mostly been writing down names for games to look into and lurking, but such is the life on an anonymous basket weaving forum.
Totally not shilling btw
>>749047565>you recommending a game isn't discussion>but me calling you shill without actually contributing anything to the thread islmaowannabe janny faggot
>>749040673Why do anime qts make trannies seethe so bad?
>>749047418A genre can also somehow be both dead and experience a renaissance at the same timeJust look at shmup>Dozens of ports>Actual sequels to decades old series on top of brand new titles>Still considered dead because the genre will never reach its past gloryJapan still loves dungeon crawlers, a JP corporation even bought out Wizardry. The genre is doing fine.
>>749040673Haven't bought a single game on Steam since, Valve can suck a dick. Dogshit storefront.
>>749048056>The genre is doing fine>Because wizardry has been turned into a gachaGrim. If tri didn't come out this year I would argue more. Bless Touhou fags
>>749048056Shumps are doing far better than dungeon crawlers anon. Click on the dungeon crawler tag on steam most of them are roguelikes (I love actual rogue likes) not blobbers
>>749048281click on shumps tag on steam and you're going to get a tsunami of vampire survivor clones
>>749048175Nah, that has nothing to do with the mobile gameYou still made me check though, and turns out I remember wrongIt's actually Atari that bought Wizardry and not the IP as a whole, just the rights to the first 5 games
>>749048352Double grim. I miss when games evolved in fun ways
Busin 0 got a translation patch a few months back but its not like the mongoloids on this board would care about it
>>749048281Without checking a list, I can still think of a quite a few solid titles in recent times:>EO HD Remasters>Labyrinth of Galleria>Labyrinth of Refrain>Mary Skelter 2>Wizardry remake>a few lewd ones I haven't played
How many 80s DRPGs have you guys played? I have quite some hours in the earliest Wizardry and Might and Magic
>>749048645>Busin 0 got a translation patch a few months backSeriously? Cool I remember checking that out 10 years ago going through atluses catalogue
>>749048739I've played more of the big names from the 80sDungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back hold up exceptionally well
>>749003030Where is it 5 bucks?
>>749048689None of those are really “recent”. The Labyrinth of Refrain/Galleria games and Mary Skelter 2 all came out during the twilight years of Japanese AA games, the late 10s at the tail end of the PS4 life cycle. Both were console sequels to games on the Vita. The fact that they were not followed up on (except Mary Skelter Finale which was the last game Compile Heart did in that style) tells you all you need to know. Just look at Compile Heart and NIS’s recent catalogs, it’s all garbage “general audience” games made with the intention of attracting a western audience.
>>749049059Loaded. Check the thread it's even cheaper elsewhere
>>749003030>sold outI knew I should have killed myself this morning.
>>749048689>2 games that are almost 10 years old and remakesbro
>>749046959Yeah, Tri's easy to get into. The ingame documentation for everything is thorough
>>749048739I liked Phantasy Star.
Is there any reason to play the HD versions if I already have them on DS?
>>749049541Is there any plot continuation or are they completely separate? Sure it's touhou shit so knowing the character themselves helps but still
>>749049148>>749049229Alright... We do have it worse than shmups.
>>749048056>>749048281Shmups peaked with Radiant Silvergun
>>749049606Not really, no.Just a piss easy difficulty that's convenient to switch to when grinding; as well as some bug fixes.
>>749049650Completely separate
there was that witch and lilies game but the devs abandoned it in early access and ran for the hills
>>749049606Outside of extremely slight balance changes no. Playing on the DS is still superior thanks to map controls
>>749050007Ayyy nice I'll pick it up and play 2 later
>>749049924Picnic giving double exp you can turn on almost makes it worth it just for grinding exp for super bosses
>>749003030100% yes, it's worth far more than that actually.
>>749003030I generally don't like these games. I tried to like them back on the 3ds. It just kinda sucked. It's old the very old school turn based Wizardry games.I don't think these games were ever worth your time.
>>749048739Quite a few but admittedly I haven't finished many because a lot of them are way too archaic for my tastes. I really hate the system where random battles can range from two slimes to an entire fucking circus including the animals and jugglers. If you can realistically take on a battle against 20+ enemies then battles against 3 feel trivial but if those smaller encounters are tuned to be moderately difficult then the massive encounters are something you just run from or die to. I have yet to see it pulled off in a balanced and interesting way and I'm glad EO never pulled from that shitty idea.
>be me>blizzcon ends >d5 announced and i lost all hope for the franchise>see this bundle on sale on the switch>redeem>eo1 scratch that build creation itch and enemy killingi’m glad blizz shat the bed because these are really kewl, music, gameplay, diff. I’m currently on eo2, eo1 last ultra secret boss was a bitch and (like a bitch) i only could kill it on picnic diff.
>>749050408>I don't like this genre>They are shitThat would be about as useful as me going into any fps or ASSFAGGOTS game thread and saying "no they are shit"
>>749050408Well I like them you gigasperg, you added nothing to the discussion fuck off your base opinion with no commentary is worthless
>>749050285>it's worth far more than that actually.That's subjective, but the remasters offer about 200h altogether of game (not counting grinding)Even if you value the experience at a rock bottom low of $0.05 per hour, that's still worth $10I paid full price for my copy and found the purchase worthwhile
>>749050536>(ex)Blizzfag>I could only beat it on picnicBro...
>>749050448I sort of like that actually, in particular the feeling when you get a big fuckyou encounter but you know if you put up a fight you can barely make it. One thing that bothered me about EO is once you beat a few encounter tables in any given area there are no more suprrises. Dungeon Travelers did it right by putting krakens in random encounters because why not.
>>749050710>That's subjectiveNo shit the entire concept of "worth" when it comes to fiscal sense is subjective. A guy making minimum wage is going to have a different concept than a guy making 200k a year. The real question is if they are worth your time and fuck yes they are if you like the genre
>>749050536>eo1 last ultra secret boss was a bitchI felt hopeless against him until I gave up and watched a video of someone clearing it underleveled and that gave me enough motivation to completely revise my strategy and see that battle through
>>749045403>fails to explain why 1 is supposedly yhe hardestis this a spambot or something?
>>749051341Yes retard, people are making spambots for fucking etrian odyssey. Jesus christ get a grip
>>749051341You made the initial claim that it is easier without an argument beyond "it was easier for me" therefore my argument is " it wasn't for me and virtually everyone else"
>>749051127Primeval isn't that bad once you know the pattern and get to an appropriate level Or just abuse immunize
Having played the first 3 games but not untold 1 nor 2, i'd expect untold 2 to be the most difficultEO2 had so much overpowered stuff you could abuse, EOU2 better have fixed all of that
>>749051341it does get pretty mean in the post game. Before that point Untold is a nothing burger, you get a cheap effective heal each turn with echoing song.
>>749051605EOU2 turns most of the bosses into gimmicks or stat sponges. It's definitely harder than 2 but people bitched about EOU1 being too hard so they tuned it down Except the super super boss who might be one of the hardest boss fights of all time
>>749048645I've played Busin and it fucking sucksslow as fuck and loves spamming unavoidable enemies around you (normal encounters are piss easy and stop giving good amounts of exp early into a new floor so most of the time they just slow you down for no reason)every single boss and endgame enemy is immune to spells what kind of retarded design decision is thattried the tl patch for 010 minutes into it I've seen absolutely no improvements either so I just dropped itno wonder Atlus is so popular they're the only ones that managed to actually improve the genre
Bought EO2 after finishing the base game of EO1. What am I in for?
>>749051605Untold 1 and 2 aren't enhanced versions, they're brand new games following the same skeleton.U2 is arguably the most busted game in the series, but it's more so about the kinds of absurd setups you can do rather than "revenge curse was accidentally way overtuned"It also honestly has some of the weakest random encounters in the series, though half the bosses are borderline designed like a 6th stratum boss so it balances out a bit.Really though comparing these games on a metric of difficulty is retarded, I could find EO4 to be the hardest where most people say it's the easiest just because I didn't use one of the usual suspect team comps that make it so easy.Nexus is the easiest though since half the class roster is overtuned and all the content is undertuned
>>749051894Use 2 dark hunters and fill out a bind team for a good time
>>749051605>EOU2 better have fixed all of thatlol I killed a postgame boss at like level 40 and surely you can do better than me if you tryPeople who say fafnir is op have no idea what kind of shit you can get way with in classic
>>749025616That's based though, in my eyes. Getting punished for being unprepared and rewarded for being prepared is like, 1/4th of what the entire seasons about.
>>749016575Just ordered this, thanks for posting about it. Had totally missed the collab.
>>749051894A nice improvement from 1 in many aspects, but still very much a similar experience.Lots of powerful options to build around.Also the single most broken item in the series. Nectall... my beloved.
>>749052142Fafnir is OP in EOU2 because he is much stronger with less effort than everything else in EOU2. EO2 has a ton of retarded shit DH being the most obvious
>>749051127isn't that guy all about RNG abusing his pattern? Has anyone ever actually gone into him blind and pulled off a W without a guide? I thought he was impossible til I read up on the patterns.
>>749051894Nearly everything that is broken in one is reasonable in 2.As a tradeoff, nearly every class that was underpowered in 1 is broken in 2.
>>749051441>and virtually everyone elsemay I hear their opinion as well?have you collexted them somewhere?why is it the hardest game exactly?
>>749024968They killed the sales themselves, the prices they set were absurd.
>>749052479>Has anyone ever actually gone into him blind and pulled off a W without a guide? I highly doubt it knowing that he spends his first 3 turns trying to one-shot your team with different elemental attacksOnce you get past that, and even well prepared there definitely is RNG involved. It's not a boss you can guarantee a win over while playing fair.
>>749051938This post just reminded me of how often I get cucked out of beating the super super bosses with my campaign team because I fuck around and use silly team comps, so when I get to the endgame I don't have the required amount of something or other and get fucked. Like in U2 when Ur-Devil decides to fuck you sideways if you choose to bring both a Protector and a Beast, or Nexus' boss spamming adds I couldn't deal with, if I recall. Never wanted to go back and re-do my party for that shit either. Maybe I'll do another run of Nexus and see this time. I never did actually use Hero in any of my parties, so that might be fun.
>>749048689Play Potato Flowers in Full Bloom.
>>749050014it's marked early access but it's a full 5 stratums with 5 floors each + a 5 floor post game like most of the etrian games. It's a shit game and I wouldn't recommend playing it, but it's not really unfinished. What I heard is that the original kickstarter learned a lot more on the yuri aspect when it's basically irrelevant to the game so the devs got a lot of flack for that. Which should have been expected for a game where you make your own party of generic characters.
>>749053085you're not getting cucked out of anythingthe superbosses are just poorly designed just like every atlus superboss ever and I'm starting to believe it's on purpose to pad out the game with grindinghell the entire postgame of every EO is just padding considering how bad the exp curve usually is
>>749052659The pattern is always the same. The RNG manipulation is for other shit
>>749033409Good post.I'll always treasure my collection of mid-budget, AA Japanese games on 3DS and PSP, but they really just don't exist anymore these days.
>>749023945Zoom zoom.Old dungeon crawlers didn't even have a map and you had to either look up a guide someone else had drawn or draw it yourself as you played.EO's entire map gimmick is to reference that and one of it's actual selling points.
>>749053559I think Warped Savior was the only super-super boss I actually liked.
>>749053114You're all right anon.
>>749053114You're terrible.
>>749053896>you had to either look up a guide someone else had drawnI hate you. This shouldn't even come into your head as a possibility. Go to hell.
>>749051830Immunize is "my mom said it's my turn to win" which you can have online by the second boss
>>749054182>onlineWhy do you use that word so much? Are you autistic?
>>749022821You sorry fool
>>749053961chemical gimmick warped savior? sure, easily the best superboss full power warped savior? about as bad as the rest
>>749022821fucking retarded underage
>>749054312surely those are undubs right
>>749053114Seconded. Potato is an excellent game
>>749029523Mapping the dungeon yourself is one of the main appeals of Wizardry which EO is based on. Slowing marking the map bit by bit is relaxing and very satisfying when you look at your stack of hand written maps of the entire dungeon after you complete the game. It doesn't matter that you never return to a specific door ever again it's the process of mapping that's fun.You don't get it because you're zoomer secondary who never played Wizardry but the japs who made EO did and they love it.
>>749018237That's why they call it "Gotta Protectors" after all
>>749018237You don't need one. Medic or troub work too
>>749054241Where do you think we are?
>>749003030Wait until the sale is over and buy them at full price to support the devs better, so that we can get more of these types of games.
>>749054850>tfw we're onlineDEEPEST LORE
>>749054893People gotta mind their own finances too. If you wanna donate money to the devs, there’s probably other means to do so, though I wouldn’t recommend it because most likely it’s just going to SEGA who are gay and pozzed as fuck and probably put Himukai on a blacklist after Twitter cancelled him for his loli-esque Lucina design in Fire Emblem Heroes. Can’t be seen as a diddy blud company when you’re sucking up to gaijins, after all.
>>749029909It's mid honestly. It has some style and weirdness to it which makes it interesting. Also some light fanservice elements since it was a vita game.Unfortunately the first game on PC has a memory leak and the game consistently crashes after running for a couple hours which sucks. I lost progress many times.
>>749055237>probably put Himukai on a blacklist after Twitter cancelled him for his loli-esque Lucina design in Fire Emblem HeroesHe has done several games for sega since you retarded culture warrior. Hell he has done stuff for Nintendo since
>>749055237Twitter isn't as relevant as you think, specially when it comes to westerners trying to cancel japanese artists.
>>749029909They got me into dungeon crawlers. Easy enough for beginners while still enough to keep you on your toes and rethinking your team comps on Nightmare difficulty. 2 also has a very good and emotional story. They are easily among Compile Heart’s best games if not their best period. They really never put this mich thought and depth into a game’s setting again. I found myself surprised at how well the fairy tale theming is used. Unfortunately it kinda starts to fall apart by Finale which is easily the weakest game in the trilogy.
Who /Demon Gaze/ here?
>>749009187for a grey market site it's one of the best but yeah it's not an official reseller
>>749012851kinguin aka g2a adds an extra fee at checkoutalso you can get limited use discount codes at sites like gg[dot]deals
>>749055463>muh culture warriorYou may not care about the culture war, but it sure cares about you and the games you play. Himukai is far from the only case.>>749055690Twitter is definitely more relevant than you think. It’s the fucking town square of the internet. Companies use it as a gauge of public opinion. Are you just going to pretend there isn’t a controversy over lolis or fanservice every other week or that Japanese companies haven’t been toning down their content for the west? But sure, keep burying your head in the sand and pretending everyone taking notice of these trends is a “culture warrior”. Here’s a tip for you; participation in the war is not optional. Everything you like will be affected whether you acknowledge it or not.
>>749054638>>749053896you are dumb mates sorryi played M&M2 and never drew a single map, i played shining in the darkness and never drew a single map, i played phantasy star and never drew a single map. it was never "part of the fun" it was just a test of your memory. at least in m&m your mapping had more purpose. i am not a zoomer, i played games relatively shortly after their release as a child that you were not even born for most likely, you just have no convincing argument formulated so this is a standard comfortable fallback for you.
>>749056258Twitter hasn't been relevant since it switched to X. It's not 2016 anymore.
>>749056258If you were right you would be right but you not so shut the fuck up you dumb retard. He has done multiple portraits for FEH since that non issue
>>749022993I feel like it's my duty to teach these young bloods the way of sales because I know they're all broke. I can count on my fingers the number of times I bought from steam directly in the past 5 years, because Keysites are always cheaper. Listen up kiddos. Bookmark a price agregator site like gg.deals or isthereanydeal and check there for game prices for older games, especially durring steam sales, because third worlders take advantage of steams regional pricing to bulk up on cheap keys that can be redeemed world wide and then sell them for a price that yields a small profit while still massively undercuting the listed price in, say, America. Also for brand new games that you absolutely want to play on release day, consider pre-ordering from official key sellers like Greenmangaming for fanatical, they typically knock off 18% or more from the launch price, pocketing only 12% for themselves whereas Steam keeps the whole 30% cut. They pass the savings to consumers to take traffic awatly from steam, it's totally legit. The biggest downside of buying from Keysites is that once you redeem the key, you can't get a refund, either from Valve or the key seller, and sometimes, but very rarely, the keys were bought with stolen credit cards and once those charges get voided the keys stop working. This happened to me once on G2A, but never again.
>>749056323might and magic is casual shit you haven't played shit nigger
Its been 16 years since Etrian 3. You would think that someone has made a better or at least equally good Dungeon Crawler since then. Some have tried but all of them failed horribly. Our best bet and only hope is for AI gen shit to become so good that the one in a billion game will actually be IT. Until then we pray.
>>749056742>Its been 16 years since Etrian 3. You would think that someone has made a better or at least equally good Dungeon Crawler since thenThey did. They're called V and Nexus.
>>749056796you forvot IV but don't worry I got u
>>749056796I like nexus, but it's just a best-of collection. The other aren't better. The main theme of 3 alone is better than all other games combined.
>>749055810I never got past the first map and always meant to go back and give it a fair shake. Seems like there was always something else going on with my life and big distractions came about. This was back when it was first internationally released too.
>>749056258>CH fag is retardedSay it ain't so
>>749055810Demon Gaze has to be the one midest of mid Dungeon Crawlers out there, i'd honestly put it below Moe Chronicle
>>749056323Literally all of those are easier to navigate than babies first dungeon crawler
>>749057343mind zero is right fucking there
>>749003292Yes
>>749057343Understandable.However, Prometh is cute so I choose to ignore your opinion.
>>749057467I will now install Demon Gaze
>>749056742>Our best bet and only hope is for AI gen shit to become so good that the one in a billion game will actually be IT. Until then we pray.I'm considerably retarded but I'm currently in the process of using claude to help guide and teach me how to make stuff in a way it understands and how I can convey what I want to make plus I'm gonna be having claude make tools I can interact with in order to potentially make a game. My thought process right now is to make something similar to Wizardry Daphne except without the gacha because I like the idea of seeing the 3d models run in and perform attacks. It's just a shame that Daphne had the right idea but went the gacha route, even though technically you don't need the gacha but the cool characters and weapons are locked behind it. My plan is to figure out how to do animations myself and use claude as a supplement to finalize my idea. How long this will take though? No idea because I'm not rich and I can only afford the $20/m plan without buying extra usage so I'm limited by the amount of tokens I can use weekly
>>749056742>AI fag is a 3fagNaruhodo.
>>749003030Just install emulator bro
>>749058328>EmulatingJust pirate HD edition
>>749058015desu ai could make some pretty wicked procedurally generated dungeons to dive into, just throw a little bit of the human element into it and you can probably make something half decent.
>>749058403>desu aiFinally an AI I can get behind
Is a 3 man squad for Nexus enough so you can have Hero spamming after images, or is it going to be too aids with a smaller party even with how busted Hero is?
>>749059032Pretty sure there is hero solos anon
>>749005196Claude is this true?
>>749058403>desuWARNING TOURIST ALERT
>>749058015Good luck anon.
>>749059032Hero can solo most of the gamecopies are really fucking busted and rape everything since you end up being overlevelled
>>749059032Hero is boring
is there an ultrawide resolution patch for this stuff? As usual Sega and Atlus hate abnormal monitors
>>749060576>UltramemeNo lol. Not natively at least there is a million 3rd party tools. In fact that was a major complaint on launch
>>749012808she goes back in time to stop her friend from getting top surgery
>>749054182>Untold>ImmunizeLarper or retarded?
whens next etrian?
>>749065303SEGA and the vast majority of the Japanese industry doesn’t make AA games anymore, see >>749033409So never. Those games are pretty much gone. Pray for a collapse that kills off AAA development and forces the industry to downscale back to 2000s levels, that’s the only way they’ll come back. Until then, it’s just soulless AAA slop, indieshit or gachacuckery.
>>749065303September 2027
>>749065303it's over and the studio that made the game is long gone or replaced with people that are so far removed from EO that it wouldn't be the same.
>>749065752>Japanese industry doesn’t make AA games anymorei dont think thats true. i need to think about that a bit.>>749066619where is the main guy / director?
>>749065303Next Stage was Metaphor
>>749066779main guy left after eo1 and made 7th dragon
>>749062902Reread the chain retard. The guy claimed EOU was easy because of echoing song when EO1 has immunize which you will have access around the same time if you gun it (you should)
>>749066802you are evil>>749066924so the main guy didnt even make eo3? thats interesting? where is the guy who made eo3?
>>749066924Okay fine I'll play 7th Dragon
>>749066779Shigeo Komori the director of basically every EO except 1 was absorbed into the SMT team and directed V after it was dropped in his lap after the original director left
>>749067253too bad i didnt really like the game.rip eo i guess
>>749067570V was doomed. The original directorl"left" because it was shit after years and Komori was sent in to salvage it.
>>749067870interesting. maybe there is still hope.
>>749068417There is always HOPENever give into doom NIGGERS
