>>749010889They're never coming back and their replacements will always fall short or outright be an insult to their original legacy.
>>749010889>>749011006They're alive in Forever. Get ready to see them raped by foid writers.
>>749011132Garrosh wasn't introduced as a character until the burning crusade.
>>749011706Yeah he's still in Outland but he's alive. So the possibility of humiliation rituals is there.
>>749010889All killed off to prop up terrible characters.
>>749010889people hated those characters when they were alive
>>749013945They thought they did but now that they're gone they didn't.
>>749013945Never knew how good we had it (how much worse it was about to get)
>>749013945Garrosh had potential but they made him into an ass, even though he wound up being right about Sylvanas and bombing Theramore was a nothingburger ("I turned my city into a military superhighway and... got bombed? AHHH HELP ME VARIAN I'M TURNING RACIST" - Jaina Proudmoore). Compared to some of the shit Sylvanas pulled, he was downright tepid at the point he was causing breakdowns in the faction and they're still trying to fucking redeem her. Bitch nuked THE major Night Elf civilian population and somehow manages to keep dindu status.
>>749010889Night Elves are still savage killers to me, damnit!
>>749010889Discrimination against warriors desu. Horde had a shaman leader at first and seethed when got a warrior to represent them. Alliance had a warrior and bitched and moaned until Blizzard gave them a fagladin. Warrior bigotry.
>>749010889I'm surprised they didn't immediately write out Garrosh entirely after Elliot Roger quoted him directly in one of his manifesto videos.
>>749014213Nigger, it's fucking blizzard. A woman can kill all babies that exist, and she would still be dindu status, because she said sorry, or a man hurt her feefees.
>>749014213Garrosh called her a bitch once and forums melted down so she got a free genocide pass.
>>749011842Forever is literally never doing TBC or any of the expansions
>>749017516Then Garrosh is safe. Varian isn't though.
>>749014213>bombing Theramore was a nothingburgerMaybe it was the part where he went out of his way to round up the survivors, ship them back to Orgrimmar and have them tortured to death in the streets
>>749017726Never happened but it should have
>>749014213Garrosh jumpstarted a war between the Alliance after a world ending calamity. People forget that and act surprised when his generals/followers commit to acts of war to defeat the enemy. The worst part is Garrosh is not only older than Thrall but also obviously an uncorrupted orc. So he has no frame of reference for the violence, sadism, barbarism, cruelty and unhinged niggatry that your common orc has but triples down on it.
>>749017830>So he has no frame of reference for the violence, sadism, barbarism, cruelty and unhinged niggatryHe was left behind on Draenor with the sick and the weak when the rest of his people were turning the draenei into a road and jerking themselves off over invading another planet. He's so depressed in TBC because his only memories of his father are him drinking demon blood and turning into a bloodthirsty monster. The problem starts when Thrall shows up and tells him Grom was actually a Cool Dude despite almost dooming the orcs to be demon slaves. Twice.
>>749017830In fairness, being on Outland is arguably 10x worse than whatever the fuck Thrall went through. Objectively speaking.
>>749018593This is much worse than being raised in a prison camp by aliens who raise you as a gladiator
>>749018707>not pictured legions of demons at borders raiding whenever they want >also gigantic gronns roaming around and eating people for breakfast
>>749017516we wont go into the dark portal but shit can come out if it into the old world.
>>749013945There's a difference between the "hatred" a man has for a rival soccer team (using this example for WoW playing third worlders), and the hatred a man has for cockroaches or mosquitos
>>749017516LOL see you next year
>>749017516yes but the dark portal still exists
garrosh is the definition of a buck
>>749010889Why do wow players think their game looks like OPs pic despite actually being picrel?
>>749022089you mean he keeps it a buck, a real one ong fr
>>749010889Variable was fine, Garrosh was a grigger
>>749010889Garrosh was a complete mess even back in Wrath.His TBC appearance was all about him thinking he was the cursed spawn of a psychopathic warmonger who nearly doomed their entire race, culminating in Thrall personally telling him about how Grom redeemed himself and ultimately saved them all.So the geniuses who wrote wrath decided that his natural character progression would be to decide Grom's worst tendencies were pretty cool after all, rather than lean into his courage and self sacrifice.Garrosh should have taken Saurfang's place as a calming influence, who makes anyone who forces him to take up arms promptly regret it. Have someone like Nazgrel, who actually was chomping at the bit to fuck up humans even in WC3, be the warmonger.
>>749022259Varian was an orc in disguise. In WotLK at least.
>>749010889varian did literally nothing but diegarrosh had the most schizo writing ever and pushed the story into a tailspin of nonsense that it never recovered from
>>749018873those were the days
>>749017516How new are you?We will go through every expac, but with modern remaster twist on them.
>>749019093No we hated them because they were shit characters
>>749011132>They're alive in Forever. Get ready to see them raped by foid writers.Even better, they won't ever exist.
>>749023818You hated them because they were real men while you are a homosexual alliancesissy
>>749023930Varian does exist though, he was kidnapped as part of Onyxia's scheme to weaken Stormwind.
>>749018707>AIEEEE BEAUTIFUL MAGICAL AND WHIMSICAL GREEN LANDSCAPES? NOOOOOO SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
Times change.
>>749023976He's just some old man in vanilla
>>749023959Nah I hated them because they were shit characters.Varian does nothing.Garrosh inexplicably flip flops between several different tropes.
>>749010889Varian really was done dirty compared to Garrosh who died mid expansion
>>749024241
>>749024140Yes that's how orcs react to it
>>749024316>Garrosh was multifaceted >Varian allowed his subjects to act without interference, as a true king should
>>749024278He never shows up in Vanilla
>>749010889Garrosh's enourmous lower lip and silly chin tattoo prevents me from liking him
>>749024378Well this aged poorly.
>>749024363Both died in early quests of an expansion's X.0 patchBoth were portrayed in cinematicsVarian's also doubled as Legion's primary huge budget cinematic
>>749017516>He still believes in blizzard
>>749010889>Implying Varian isn't half the reason the IP became woke of gaycraft
>>749024363Fuck you fag compare him to the other character that died at the same place.
>>749024943Kek who? Jobjin? lmao
>>749024710How? Times changed twice.
>>749017516Well they're not doing Cata at the very least.
>>749024897True. All the woke shit is self insert shit. The ability to create human and be characters is at fault.
>>749024975Tirion Bitchring
>>749024975>varian was done dirty>PLEASE SAVE THE ALLIANCE BLIZZ>meanwhile vol'jin rotting in the street
>>749025027MehTirion arc was pretty much finished with Arthas's death they only made him stick around so Paladins could get Ashbringer from him.
>>749024998I don't get the file name. A loved one asking you not to waste your life on something that can't be changed is woke?
>>749025027>>749025081>guy who got to kill Arthas>gets unceremoniously melted in green goolmao
>>749017830>>749017830>Garrosh jumpstarted a war between the Alliance after a world ending calamity>never played the original battle for undercityalliance started it, my mag'har garrosh wanted to end it
>>749025058Gotta be honest Vol'jin never had the making of a varsity warchief his death really didn't affect me that much.The 1v1 between Garrosh and Varian in the Ulduar Trailer will always stuck to my mind that's why they are the only comparable characters to me from their respective sides.
>>749025249Of course Vol'jin didn't have the makings of a Warchief. As soon as he became Warchief, they made sure he did nothing for an entire expansion and then proceeded to kill him off because Varian was dying and they needed to villain bat Sylvanas.The guy didn't even get the chance to be a Warchief.
I liked Vol'jin
>>749025249>a good warchief is interacting with a wrynnFag. Baine sucks.
>>749025236Alliance players intentionally misconstrue events all the time like this, its very pathetic assuming they're not just retarded
>>749025348I didn't like his secret human bf or whatever that was supposed to be. A good warchief shouldn't have these weird alliance connections.
No characters have suffered more in Warcraft than Ner'zhul and Vol'jin.
Varian was an edgy teen with animu hair and was rightly hated in WotlkGarrosh is just a faggier version of Grom with daddy issues Bring back Proudmoore, Grom, original Malfurion
>>749013945No, Garrosh was always based. Well, since Cata at least.
>>749025474I always forget he has a human friend. At they didn't smeared it in your face like Baine and Anduin or Jaina and Thrall
>>749025614>was rightly hated in WotlkProof?I don't remember anyone hating him. I can barely find old posts of people hating him either.
>warchief (the title) directly references the war that they were actively trying to remove from warcraft for about a decade so they removed the title entirely and the horde is now a council of elves, vulpera and apologetic undead
>>749025397Baine?!
>>749025886It's really bad. Now the trolls, orcs and tauren are secondary characters in their own faction. The Horde might as well be called the Forsaken-Belf Alliance
>>749025136it is if you're bloodthirsty orcs
>>749026015Not like they wanna write the Forsaken or Blood Elves either in the modern game. Soon as the Horde effectively rejected Calia as a character, the Forsaken have been moving further and further in the background, the only time they got invited to the big Quel'thalas expansion was to serve as dungeon fodder for the crime of squatting in the old Windrunner house.Then the Blood Elves aren't even allowed any plot agency in a expansion set in their own country and don't even get me started on the Nightborne.
>>749026015>Let women in your spaces>She ends up displacing you and warping your faction beyond recognition Realistic writing.
>>749025136I'm pretty savage orcs whom all have references to brutality in their clan name would want revenge
>>749010889what's gayrosh doing here lmao
>>749011842his whole existence in wow was one, terrible char
Varian not destroying the leadership of the horde and then ultimately winning the war and subjugation the horde really still pisses me off to this day. They made him a complete retard for no reason then kill him off to some nameless npc. What a waste.
Didn't we break Varian out of Blackrock Depths?
>>749010889>>749011132The ideal is that the writers for the WCIII campaigns get to helm Forever and ensure they have more respectable (and consistent) characterizations this time around.
>>749026326>they should have killed the golden goose
>>749026326>Kill him off to some nameless NPC.Varian fags really be acting like he got the Vol'jin treatment. Lmao
>>749025858NTA but I remember the general attitude from everyone who wasn’t alliance only was he felt like an attempt to give the alliance someone “cool” that came off pathetic and desperate. And yes everyone thought his hair looked fucking awful.
>>749026354I'm ready to be disappointed
>>749024540
>>749026326>some nameless npc.Alliance players are the dumbest subhuman apes in the Blizzard sphere.Gul'dan is an important character of Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3 TFT, the Warcraft movie, Warlords of Draenor, and Legion. He's also a playable character in Heroes of the Storm and is the warlock representative in Hearthstone.
>>749026137Makes sense Calia and her Forsaken would end up back in the Alliance while the Forsaken who have made friendships with the OG Horde would remain in the Horde. But then again there is some unwritten rule that probably prevents a race that wasn't implemented as neutral from shifting into such, even though it makes no sense narratively or even mechanically at this point given how long neutrals have already existed. And then-again then-again, no one gives a damn about what happened in Retail after Shadowlands tried to shove another setting's cosmology into Warcraft's with all the finesse of a heart transplant done in the 19th century.
>>749026354Nah, let the people who did Forsaken Kingdom keep working on WC3 campaigns, or better yet a proper WC4. Further they stay away from the MMO, the more freedom they'll have.
sylvanas did that she planned it
>>749010889This artstyle is proto woke. You can still feel the gayness
>>749024990>septum ring
>>749026354>The ideal is that the writers for the WCIII campaigns get to helm ForeverYou mean Metzen? He already is and we get Blue Elves because of it.>>749026741I'd rather not. I did not enjoy Forsaken Kingdom's story.
>>749010889>a-lion-ce symbol is a lion>whored symbol is a (...)who wrote this slop?
>>749026697No one likes Calia as a character because she's written first and foremost to be an Alliance character, then slapped onto the Horde to be a replacement for Sylvanas. She's never earned her place as a Horde character which is why the Forsaken playerbase rejected her and the Horde as a whole did. There's a reason they had to pivot to using Voss for all future Forsaken representation. If they put more effort into making Calia actually feel like she belonged in the Forsaken and wasn't just there to make the Forsaken more digestible for Alliance fans, then she'd be fine.
>>749025503At least we saw Vol'jin die. Cairne was off-screened and replaced with his faggot son
>>749026015Trolls got their own expansion. Orcs got their own expansion.In fact isn't their some gay trolls in this expansion? Another girlboss that takes over after the male leader dies or something. Genuinely why do you want the focus? The only ones lacking in story are tauren and ironically they would probably at least remain in character with what Blizzard wants to write now.>I'm being ignored I'm a victimGood I wish the races I liked were ignored. At least the goblins are okay.
>>749026857Why does Metzen no want playable high elves
>>749027024We may never know. He'll take that with him to the grave.
>>749026885he was written as a christie golden self-insert first and foremost. Everything else is a consequence of that.
>>749027024because he has to show he still has some creative ability so he can stay where he is, even if his "creativity" is just recolored blood elves
>>749027024Because he turned the High Elves into Blood Elves and wrote over a decade of lore for the race as Blood Elves.The fundamental fact is High Elves have always been a left over because Knaak was still using Vereesa as a character. If Vereesa didn't exist, you can guarantee there'd be no High Elf references from vanilla onwards
>>749027024>>749027070You fags are so annoying play as your blue elves with high elf appearance and make up your own backstory of how actually you are a highelf. It's a roleplaying game.
>>749026885Nobody picking the evil zombie race wants to be led by someone who doesn't look like them (a gross evil zombie) and constantly advocates for boring non-evil things. If you actually cared about Warcraft's story (and to think this was actually very common, ages ago) and you picked Forsaken, you did so because you wanted to feel like a shifty outsider even in the context of your own faction. You were not trusted yet you were relied upon because your "allies" had no other choice. This is an interesting and reasonable unique dynamic, and blood elves didn't really tread on Forsaken toes so much as bolster that dynamic. Fast forward 20 years later and>Sylvanas is a (retarded) neutral moral-grey character, like if Illidan was written worse>Nathanos was based but is dead>Lilian Voss has no consistent character and is a Cataclysm-era le foony reference>Calia Menethil is a sad attempt to make the Forsaken lawful-good like the Alliance>various named undead in a council that does nothing and where no one has a personalityHow hard is it to make ONE character who sticks around and resonates with what the Forsaken were supposed to be?
>>749027024knaak is one of his favourite writers, so he may just be a slow-in-the-mind
>>749026885Trying to make Calia into a Horde rep is entirely the wrong way to be going about doing it anyways; at least with what I saw to me her "arc" (for however much you can call it that) ties more into WotLK where Varian and the Argent Dawn get the Alliance to slowly accept loyal undead members back into their ranks culminating into everyone accepting Alonsus Faol getting zombified, even Turalyon.
>>749027169>Forsaken Kingdom protagonist is decently written>has the makings of a WoW race leader>is the new race-class combo that everyone has been begging for>could use the story to demonstrate why he hasnt been around but has returned to lead for the Forsaken>kill him off
>>749027169No one would give shit about sylvanas and the things she did if all the characters treated the events like war. Instead the game treats the horde and the alliance like disappointed parents.
>>749027321>the horde like children and the alliance like disappointed parents.
>>749027132I miss the days when Rhonin was seen as the weakest character in Warcraft because he was blatantly Knaak's vehicle for wish-fulfillment.Now, I think back to him more fondly than I do Khadgar.
Do the forsaken still do experiments on living beings under Calia's leadership?Do they still have abomination guards and shit roaming around?Do they still live in the sewers?
>>749027393who knows, who caresretoilet is fanfic
>>749027436Rare good post containing the esl buzzword 'retoilet'
>>749027393Whenever the game needs town guards but with the context of the Forsaken you get abominations. What this means is there are events like Brewfest, Children's Week or some neutral affair where these bloated carcass monsters stitched together from dead women and children and Garithos are standing around and everyone is asked to ignore them while engaging in festivities. All of this occurs not because it's a deliberate comical subversion or choice whatsoever but because Blizzard are morons who treat much of this game like an excel spreadsheet.
>>749027393They have a council now. The faction has barely been touched since the end of SL, although they did have a heritage quest in DF where they did some traditional Scarlet bullying. But it turned out the quest only existed to set up the Scarlets having somehow over taken Gilneas, allowing Calia to bring the Horde in and aid the Gilneans into getting their Kingdom back. It was shit.Abomination guards are roaming around yesThey unplagued upper Capital City at the end of SL, but apparently the undecity is still a no no zone.
I played WoW during vanilla, years and years ago, but I barely ever got into the lore and stories etc. Do Forsaken have any of their old memories or interests and what have you? I know Sylvanas does. And I know one of her top generals did, that Paladin guy who's righteousness was so great he continued being a Paladin in death.I also know that there was a story in one of the modern expansions about a Forsaken reborn after the Lich Kings demise that couldn't handle being undead having memories of being alive, but I don't put much stock in that because modern Blizzard.My question is - if it does exist, then how does that work? Like; you have a wife or husband you love, one of you turns undead, the other doesn't and goes on living.... Is this ever explored? How does this work in War? Do you see them both of you remember everything, what then?
Garbage characters for a garbage gameVarian literally exist for the sake of having a blue warchief since the devs didn't want to bother on the alliance story
>>749027564>it turned out the quest only existed to set up the Scarlets having somehow over taken GilneasHow is the Scarlet Crusade still around? Literally how...
>>749027220Why do people pick a faction and then go>man, I sure wish I had what the other team got.That idea is stupid too. You want to play undead play horde. Only people who have open air toilets would be able to live with walking corpses. Full stop. Anything else is retarded.>>749027169>someone who doesn't look like them (a gross evil zombie)If she looked like she belonged on a metal album that would also be good. Instead she looks like what a 50+ year old woman would play as.
>>749027598>Do Forsaken have any of their old memories or interests and what have you? It varies, some have a good memory of it while some have only fractured memories or no memory at all>you have a wife or husband you love, one of you turns undead, the other doesn't and goes on living.... Is this ever explored?Yes one quest has a Forsaken try to reconnect with their family but they are reviled as a monster (technically a few quests do this)It is used to isolate said undead character and convey to the audience that all they have left is this paramilitary group of zombies they were drafted into by merit of being murdered
>>749027684Because the Scarlets are an easy excuse to do human bad guys, without actually having to write any Human group associated with the Alliance as bad guys. So they'll keep returning no matter what like cockroaches
>>749027684because the forsaken still need a reason to be seen as dindus so the meany scarlet crusade are still somehow active
>>749025136Mankrik's wife in Shadowlands>"Their screams aren't as satisfying as quillboar, but they'll do."A fucking Gladiator warrior, still hating quillboar's, meanwhile in forever she's suddenly "Forgive and forget". Fucking shadowlands is more warcraft than the supposed "classic plus"They need to pull activist writers from the Forever team, and keep them all in retail
>>749027713I think the entire arc shouldn't had been bothered with, but it would had been neat if you could have Alliance death knights use the Forsaken model.Or to give Forsaken in general the option to vary the amount of decay on them, so some are using the Chinese models with the covered up bones, or you can have a model that's just a somewhat mangled human like with the protagonist of the new WCIII campaign. The idea that each race should have an easily-identifiable silhouette was thrown out after the Shadow Elves or whatever they're called were permitted.
>>749027782The Forsaken aren't even involved in the last Scarlet plot. That happened in the Arathi Highlands and was mostly an excuse for the Alliance to fight Scarlets.The Scarlets aren't even allowed to be purely Horde villains they can murder hobo these days, even they need to be shared with the Alliance. Which brings us back to 90% of the issues this setting has stemming from Alliance looking at the toy box Horde has and demanding it be given to them instead and Blizzard obliging.
>>749027718Interesting. Would have been cool for a longer or bigger quest chain for this. If someone I loved turned into a Zombie, I don't think I'd hate them on instinct though. Then again, I don't live in magic sword and sorcery world where undead are a real problem.
>>749027862I dont think you understand Forever's quest with his wife predates all of that. The quest ends that way now so Mankirk can get peace and doesn't end up a depressed serial-killer.
>>749027750The alliance would be the bad guys for the horde by occupying gilneas, an alliance city? The motivation for using SC would obviously be to serve up both factions the same slop.
>>749024998>>749027862You can always tell when it's a fan of the Horde writing a Horde character and when it's a fan of the Alliance writing a Horde character. This dialogue is the perfect example.
>>749027879Death knights are their own faction with their own faction leader that are divided into alliance and horde simply for gameplay reasons.The silhouette thing no one mentioned.
I remember reading leaks here that said Worgen will be on the horde this time but they wont be able to change forms. Was kind hoping for a worgen form for druids instead
>>749011132Varian was a kidnapped prisoner in vanilla. He didn't have a model until WotLK iirc. Garrosh was not introduced until TBC. They'll probably add Varian. Garrosh will never be added.
>>749028195If Blizzard wasn't strangled by having to balance everything, it would be neat if Hordegen could act as spies in Alliance zones.
>>749027976They are orcs, they're all about war, peace is not an option for them. For Orcs dying in battle is honorable.And even as a one-off tragic story, original was way better tragedy than the new version.Makrik's alone, missing his wife, knowing that she's most likely dead, but still wishing that he knew for sure, when you bring him the news, he doesn't even have words for you, doesn't say anything other than thank you. It's somber and simple, he's not relieved by the news his wife is dead. In new version, for some reason they wanted a happy ending for the story, yes she died, but look, her ghosts shows up and tells Mankrik that it's all okay and he should just move on with his life, isn't that nice. Doesn't feel tragic, doesn't feel compelling, feels like a disney movie ending.
>>749028195Doubt it. They put bes on the horde again to please self-inserters so worgen will be on alliance for a similar reason of giving them a furry race.
why is everyone acting like we haven't already had purple and blue elves in the game since 2004
>>749028375The fact we already had previous examples of purple and blue elves is in part why new blue elves feel so redundant.
>>749028445I genuinely don't get you retard's complaints. Just choose the high elf skin options.It's the same shit. You can't turn an orc into an ogre or any of the other races into a naga. You have no genuine reason to complain.
>>749028356The Cata continuation also did it better, with Mankrik still going full grief murder hobo over his wife until another Orc who's concerned/into him sends you to try and bring him back. He comes back, mourns his wife and doesn't immediately move on to the new Orc chick either. They don't start actually saying he got into a relationship with Mahka until DF.
>>749028356A game world and lore where every member of a race thinks the exact same way and wants the same thing would be a poor story. I am fine with there being orcs who just want to farm pigs and have a wife, and not go die in a battle. Even WC3 conveyed this with stuff like peons (not that they chose their role in society.)>Makrik's alone, missing his wife, knowing that she's most likely dead, but still wishing that he knew for sure, when you bring him the news, he doesn't even have words for you, doesn't say anything other than thank you. It's somber and simple, he's not relieved by the news his wife is dead. In new version, for some reason they wanted a happy ending for the story, yes she died, but look, her ghosts shows up and tells Mankrik that it's all okay and he should just move on with his life, isn't that nice. Doesn't feel tragic, doesn't feel compelling, feels like a disney movie ending.You would be correct in a vacuum but this is a deliberate subversion. Unless I'm completely mistaken, Mankirk's wife's ghost showing up is meant to tell the audience>Hey this is vanilla WoW but also a different timeline so stuff you expect will be taken in a new directionI don't mind this conceptually. I do believe Blizzard will fuck it up because they are Blizzard.
>>749014213What kills me is that Jaina should have gone scorched earth at some point but never does. Only promises that she might lose it some day like her mentor did.
>>749028375Because I wanted pale elves! IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!
>>749028356>honor>Lok'tar Ogar>victory or deathThe idea of honor has been a poison to the horde. Honor is a concept that ties weaker forces to set of rules that allow stronger forces to steamroll them.There should have been a point in the story where an orc tries to honor duel an alliance member only to still be slaughtered despite winning.
>>749025720
>>749028678Bro they will fuck it up intentionally. The retail team won't be able to take the ego hit of people liking forever more.
>>749010889Where can i find a quick and good recap of everything leading up to WC3? to play it before Forever
>>749028365Blood elves will likely have to be on horde so horde has a race for demon hunter.
>>749010889WoW has always been pure faggotry.
Most people don't want to admit it, but the fact of the matter is that WoW ruined the Warcraft franchise and ultimately, Blizzard as a whole. Everything went downhill after WoW.Be reasonable, you know it to be true.
>>749029572Demon hunter only being open to elves could change. There's more reasons barring undead from being paladin. Other than them wanting to reuse everything.
>>749029745Actually it went down after warcraft 3. Defense of the ancients is what really did it. The fans are to blame.
>>749029745The issues were starting to show in TFT, hell even in vanilla WC3. The books following like WOTA then cemented the foundations of shit that'd actually end up breaking Warcraft as a setting, especially in it's later expansions.
>>749010889The only good thing to come out of retail WoW is that the Windrunner sisters all seemed to crave Big Human Cock which always made me giggle. Anduin should stop being a fag and fuck Calia (and someone how get her pregnant), that would be an exquisite meme.
>>749030467Knaak...
>>749029924>>749030038>WC3Yes I agree, in many ways WC3 started to show signs of deterioration, but at least it was still salvageable, it still cared about the story and all, but WoW shifted the focus to make something appealing to a broader audience, thus ruining the franchise. Things were no longer about the world of Azeroth, but about how the players interacted with that world and themselves, which I guess is fine on paper since a game's point is to entertain (not that I liked WoW, I found it to be mediocre at best), but it did sacrifice the world they had built, and it transformed Blizzard as a company, since it shifted their business model.
