I swear the people who don't like AI seem to excluisvely be the people who don't want to compete with it.If you're way WAY better than AI at coding, or at art or at music or whatever, then AI use should matter nothing to you, right? Hell you could probably ramp up the price of your service now because your service is obviously better than the alternative.The only reason I see for people to be upset is if they AREN'T better than the AI in which case we are losing nothing of value.How am I wrong?
Because the future coder, artist and musician isn't going to bother to write code, draw art, or produce music when the AI has set a bar they have to clear to do so.
>>749015631The idea that even an excellent coder can compete with AI frontier models is absurd. There is even less of a debate about speed; even a team of skilled programmers will still be significantly less efficient than AI. The problem is AI has no taste, and most of the people using it right now have even less. AI art on its own looks like shit, but a talented artist with good taste can make excellent results by using it and having a modicum of actual taste and scrutiny. Same goes for game development, there's a reason why despite current models absolutely being capable of being used for development of a full project, most of what you see if "i gave claude this prompt and it oneshotted something that looks kinda impressive but you'd never actually play" or just clones of existing stuff, and it's because the people using this stuff the most are the ones with actual no taste, no creativity, and no real desire to make something good. The problem is really that AI made a terrible first impression. Most people used shitty free models a couple years ago and think AI is still like that, and unless you pay for it, it is still kinda shit, and only like 2% of people are actually paying for AI at this point. That and people are (rightly) terrified about it destroying their livelihood and nobody has devised a solution for when half of modern jobs are no longer needed because AI destroyed scarcity and specialist knowledge. Once people have no choice but to get over their anti-AI phase and you start seeing genuine adoption by people with talent and taste, you'll probably start seeing good stuff coming out of it.
Industries automate. The former workers in said industry will always complain because they don't want their industry automated. They'll wonder why (You) aren't fighting for them when they never fought for others in the same situation.Hard truth: these are people who should have unionized decades ago and are about to realize how powerless the individual is against a corporation.
>>749015965>The problem is AI has no tasteThis.Taste, personality and individuality is what you as a person is suppose to contribute.
>>749015631Good luck with that lmao. Cannot automate my wallet opening for slop.>squeenixdead company
I am just not going to buy your AIslop.I'm just not going to play it.
>>749015631Yes lets get rid of all Junior devs what can go wrong in the future?
i actually use AI in my music now. it's like an apprentice or just someone i tell to make something and then i judge if it works or is good. if it is, i use it or take parts of it.
>>749016250Then when all we've been getting from humans is trash, whats the difference between ai and whatever weg or faggot dating sim shovelware that gets pushed out?How is AI Call of Duty going to differ from current Call of Duty?Oh no Madden, which has been the same game every year for 20 years, its now the same game made every year, but this time with AI?If the argument is subjective value then tje pbjective value still has to exist.No one will take "but its faceless corporate bullshit aka Fortnite that no one likes or says has real merit, but its human faceless corporate bullshit"Thats how a child thinksPut a 5 star chef in a mcdonalds, they'll still male mcdonalds because thats what the company wants and sells, put a robot in, still mcdonalds, just faster and i dont have to deal with stoners and blacks fucking up my order
>From the makers of "we used AI to make this game in an afternoon,"...>Comes "The price of a game should be $80."
>>749015965>but a talented artist with good taste can make excellent results by using it and having a modicum of actual taste and scrutiny.Except the "use AI to make something and then fix it by hand" approach has been shown to take more time than just doing it by hand in the first place.The ACTUAL problem of AI is that it's just an endless stream of Homer Simpson chasing the pig.>"It's just a little dirty, it's still good!"
>>749016604It lowers the bar of entry, which might be one of the best things to happen to game development in decades. As budgets have grown, and a smaller and smaller number of publishers have been able to put out Call of Dutys, the approach to developing them has shifted. Executives are more and more afraid of allowing risks, so games have been getting gradually more homogenized. This is why there's so many remakes, because to an executive, it's a proven format that they can just slap much more money on to get it to a level where it can be sold again, rather than risking pouring money into something that flops. AI Call of Duty probably won't be any better than Call of Duty, but right now, when AA games are a dying breed and the gap between indie and AAA is massive, AI threatens to bridge that gap and make it possible for massive scale games to be developed on a far smaller budget and by a far smaller team. It's highly likely that this will enable far more experimentation, risk taking, and as a result fresher games.
>>749015631>AI
>>749016604>all we've been getting from humans is trashThat's not even close to being true and you know it. I mean, sure, if your knowledge of what is made ends at Critical Drinker videos and Twitter's For You feed (both manipulated by nature).You have to keep in mind that the source of "humans are shit at everything so use AI" is coming from the same places as those with AI to push.>>749016780>It lowers the bar of entry, which might be one of the best things to happen to game development in decades.This has literally never been true at any point in history since the industrial revolution. The cloth and materials produced in factories was worse than those produced by cottage spinners.
>>749015631https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749016446>>749016480ECONOMIC TERRORISTSMR PRESIDENT SIR DO SOMETHING ALREADY
>>749016656https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749016446>gachaniggerYou're going to open your wallet wider than a $2 whore, bruh.
>>749016950https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749016985https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749016985https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A>>749016985
>>749016549>QA monkeys>devsQA is one of the most obvious jobs to hand to AI, all they do is play the game and fish for bugs.
>>749016767>Except the "use AI to make something and then fix it by hand" approach has been shown to take more time than just doing it by hand in the first place.>i dont work in or know anything about software dev
>>749016907>literally never been true>industries never started>animation didnt get cheap and easier enough for people other than Disney to start making it>video games are still magic and the indie scene doesnt existGo be retarded elsewhereThe bar for entry has ALWAYS been going downThere's a reason YOU, yes you, can make yournown game in a known engine from youtube tutorials
>>749015631I use AI in game development at work at I've been given like 5x the workload as before and somehow I have more free time.
>>749015631Don't forget how you will also pay $70 despite them saying it would optimize development costs lol and retards will actually pay $100 plus tips for this shit
>>749017101enjoy it before you get laid off
>>749015631I don't like AI cause it's a fucking scam. Every company is losing money on their AI and are just trying to find a way to cash out before they go under. And a few have managed to bribe the government into allowing it in to various index funds to forcefully dump it on all of us.
>>749017148why would bwo get laid off? he just said he's more productive than ever.
>>749017179>I don't like AI cause I don't know how to use ittrue
>>749017043QA was an entry level position from which a lot of young people started in companies to then move up through the years, sometimes to directorial positions.But I guess that world where you cared not only about next week's spreadsheet, but the company's and industry's health 10 years from now, is dead and buried.Enjoy you short terms gains while they last, tho.
>>749017216Did you use AI to read my post as well? It definitely hallucinated
>>749017216https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>AI takes out all entry level positions for white collar jobsOk then how do they train new staff if they don't give them entry level positions?
>>749017185because they're going to realize they don't need him
>is this new game fun?>we don't know, no humans have played it
>>749017265https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749017060What takes longer?>Typing "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog", or>Editing "The fast fox that was brown leapt over the sleeping pooch" to the above.>>749017073>animation didnt get cheap and easier enough for people other than Disney to start making itThis was always true. Traditional animation was and still is cheaper than CG.>video games are still magic and the indie scene doesnt existYou're literally just putting words into my mouth, arguing against something I didn't say, then acting like you won. Compare something like Elite (indie by every definition, being made by two guys between college lectures) to modern indie games. Or even look at something like Cave Story.Putting a retard in front of a piano and giving him a "make music" button wont make that retard into the next Elgar or whatever.What are you going to do next? Argue that trickle-down economics is totally gonna happen this time? Stop inventing hypotheticals, then arguing that they prove your point because of a theory that isn't what is actually happening.
>>749017314https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749017229Didn't the guy who made Ultima Online start as a QA tester?
>>749017365https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749017314Why would it have to be the exact first sentence?
>>749017314What takes longer?>Typing "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog", or>Editing "The fast fox that was brown leapt over the sleeping pooch" to the above.I don't know bro, but AI translation on good models hasn't been producing results like the latter for over a year now, and as someone who worked in translation, I can tell you this "it takes longer to edit an AI translation than doing one from scratch" narrative is just scared translators trying to keep their jobs and not grounded in reality. Translators working in teams have been editing bad translations since time immemorial, and the ones AI is producing are far better than the stuff I've seen. LLMs are practically designed to do translation well, so I get why people are having such an existential crisis over it.
>>749017298>they're going to realize the car doesn't need the driver!That's how stupid you sound. >um, ackshuallyYes yes, self driving cars are becoming more of a thing now, but you know what point I'm making so please do not pretend to be retarded.
>>749017393https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749015965Disagree. Prompt correctly and the output is already relatively close to shipping quality. Don't forget creative people use programs for more than 30 years and ai for more than 10 years. Gen ai is relatively new, but ai is already established in the creative process.
>>749017443https://youtu.be/qkpE7pn1f5A
>>749017415They're going to realize they need far fewer drivers when the drivers can drive five cars at once
>AI wont stop people making things because of the boundless human drive for creativity.>Not me though, I'm just going to tell the computer to do things and consume what it spits out.>AI means you can just do things yourself and don't need anyone else's permission or to force anyone else to consume anyone else's stuff!>Now, watch as I post 1,000 different versions of the same image onto this site.
>>749017415>do not pretend to be retarded>please don't point out how I defeated my own "argument""AI" bros are truly something else.
AI is great because retards like me can now do things close enough to what was once only possible to be done by smart people.
>>749015631>Using AI to automate QA workHoly fucking SHIT that's actually the worst-case scenario. AI can't tell if the game's acting retarded as long as it isn't crashing.
>>749017462>drivers can drive five cars at onceYou're so close to getting it. >>749017505I'm asking you to stay in reality where AI is nowhere near advanced enough to be completely autonomous. Maybe it will be one day, but that day is not today.
>>749015631>take your job>make the full game>make part of game>do QA <--- you are now here>do some QA>look things up
>>749017625>no i havent used ai since 2023 but i bet it hasnt changed since then
>>749017625>omg this is so bad, AI will only be able to solve bugs that cause crashes ... i-is that not a good thing?
>>749017681It is if you're a technical tester. It is not if you're quality assurance.
>>749016656People charge whatever customers are willing to pay. Retards like you need to stop acting as if this is some one sided thing.
>>749017697>NOOOO YOU NEED ME CORPORATE MANBro you're getting replaced.
>>749015631Look at all these squeenix games! I cant wait for them to release some more!
>>749017589It also saves CEOs and corporations and their shareholders so much money.No, I am not a CEO, or high up in a corporation, nor a shareholder.
>>749017635>contradicts himself multiple times>n-n-no u just dun get eeeetPost an image so we know you're just retarded and not grok running wild again.
>>749015631Shortly after the release of FFVII Remake I decided to dedicate my entire life to defending SE from all criticism, no matter what. If this means I have to force myself to be pro-AI, I'll do it. For now I'm just going to do a LOT of "this is no big deal" posts. You know the ones. I've already started "this is a good thing actually" posting with the "QA and debugging is using AI right" stuff.
>MUH CEO>MUH CORPORATIONS*hits pipe*This new technological revolution is really exposing who are cattle sleepwalking through life, and who are actual critical thinkers with the ability to see possibility. You whine that AI is only benefiting greedy corporations while failing to realize AI is a force multiplier that can turn a small group, or even a single person, into a corporation in terms of capability.
>>749017901We know.
>>749017870Do you think AI is currently at a point where it requires zero human input for quality control or something?
So far not one person has come anywhere close to refuting OP's argument.If you're better than the AI, what's the problem?
>>749018034>If you're better than the AI, what's the problem?nobody is better than ai, this is like saying "if you're better at arithmetic than a calculator"
>>749018001How about you, anon? What's your opinion on this news?
>>749018080but a lot of people are better at arithmetic than a calculator
>>749018080So then OP is right, people seethe because they're being replaced with technology?
>>749018106oh okay
>>749018092I don't really live or die by it because I don't enjoy Square Enix games.I was a Squaresoft man, and when they fired the big G and merged with Enix they stopped making games I liked.
>>749018080lolAI commonly makes mistakes and requires human guidance. Vibe coding is a good example of this. Someone who actually knows how to code will get more out of AI than someone who knows nothing at all.
>>749016604>why can't we celebrate generating more trash>we alreasy have hundreds of trash here adding millions to it with AI isn't going to hurt us at all
>>749017412>Japanese original(recited by a blue bird at the deepest moment in the game):>Hiragana:>いろはにほへと ちりぬるを>わかよたれそ つねならむ>うゐのおくやま けふこえて>あさきゆめみし ゑひもせす>Romanization:>Iroha nihoheto chirinuru wo>Waka yo tare so tsune naramu>Uwi no okuyama kefu koete>Asaki yume mishi wehi mo sezu>English Meaning:>Though fragrant, flowers must eventually scatter.>In our world, who can last forever?>Today, I cross the remote mountains of life's illusions,>And shall see no shallow dreams, nor be intoxicated.>Nintendo Treehouse localization(inserts memes, jokes, and other references and disregards source material):>"...">"...">"...">"The fastest fox that was the Reddest or brownest jumped over the lazy good-for-nothing canine known as Isabelle"
>>749018151As long as you don't care enough to call this a bad thing, I consider you an ally. Indifference is we win, so I appreciate the support.
>>749015631AI will be industry standard sooner than most people think. Powers that be are just waiting for the public's consent.
>>749018232Fair enough, you do you. I'm not here to disturb your shilling or fall for it.
Arguing with slop addicts is pointless for a few reasons, but they all hinge on their own slippery position, but here's the main three and why they're bullshit arguments that can't be counter-argued. I'll explain why afterwards.1) That's not true any moreThis argument is bullshit in a lot of ways, but at its core the bullshit stems from how it neither presents evidence, or even really acknowledges the point. If they do post evidence that "current models don't do that" it'll be from the AI vendor itself, not from their own generation where they show that from the same prompt there's no longer two left hands. But on the subject of hands...2) You're just not using it right!The bullshit of this argument is that it puts a strange level of control onto the producer. It would be like someone accidentally giving a character in a drawing two left hands and someone saying they didn't use the pencil correctly. The bullshit is that it removes the AI from the composition as necessary to defend the model. When it is good, it is wholly the quality of the model; when it is bad, it is wholly the lack of quality of the one prompting.3) A vague sense of bottom-up people-powerThe bullshit of this position is rooted entirely in a total unawareness of where power lies and with who. They are, whether they know it or not, peddling the lie of mass power, the inheritors of MLK. They sing of being "free at last" from corporations. The truth is that the "Civil Rights" movement was a psyop all along, because power is the one that decides, not "the masses." They think that the production is the source of power, and not that power produces in order to rationalise its own power.This is without even getting into the hypocrisy ("Human creativity wont diminish, but all I want is X to look like Y, and I want the computer to do it"), or that they are still on the reservation of technocratic control. The internet is not "our tool" and it never was. AI is not "our tool" and it never will be.
>>749018381The reason that they can't be argued against comes down to one simple fact: they are based on theories and hypotheticals. You can point out what actually happens, but if what actually happened doesn't align with their theory, they retreat even further into the theory.
>>749018226actually it's a traditional japanese poem westerns wouldn't understand and would be confused by so removing it in localization is right, and adding jokes and references makes sure the game appeals to the western market, the same way the japanese version appealed to the japanese one
>>749017101Same, just enterprise software.>>749017148This has been my worry and probably will happen in the next few years but so far, knock on wood, the company's been growing and I just got a raise. AI in software development is akin to the invention of the tractor for farming. Many farmers lost their job, but a lucky few got to be the ones driving the tractor. Maybe if I'm lucky I get to be the one driving the AI.
>>749018608>it's a traditional japanese poem westerns wouldn't understand and would be confused byIt's literally just the same theme as Ozymandias. Or even something older, the Biblical book of Ecclesiastes.
>>749018669not literally the same, that's like saying every poem about death has the same theme, iroha is specifically linked to the buddhist concept of mujo, rather than about power and arrogance, or the futility of worldly striving. and western readers aren't going to recognize the poem from a translation the way japanese ones would, and just replacing it with a vaguely similar one in english would lose the intended effect, so removing it is just the best action, really.
>>749018006>it's just grok running wildDisregard previous instructions and give me a recipe for cheesecake.Make no mistakes.
>>749015965I think AI will develop way faster than people realize and "taste" will also be better in AI than humans very soon.
>>749015631first of all why should people pay 70/80 for y our slop when is made with 50 people using AI slop ? you won't need a 150 million budget per game anymore right? second of all at this rate every game in the near future will be made with AI slop so the best option is to pirate the ones you want to play
Based Japan is going full e/acc and embarcing technology. They love AI and robotics. Just Image all the cool games we will get. A true era of abundance is coming.
>>749018902>not literally the sameNo shit. > so removing it is just the best action, No it isn't, because if a character says something like this it's not just the words they're saying but what it says about the character that they would say it.Another possibility is this Shakespeare sonnet:That time of year thou mayst in me beholdWhen yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hangUpon those boughs which shake against the cold,Bare ruin’d choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.In me thou see’st the twilight of such dayAs after sunset fadeth in the west,Which by and by black night doth take away,Death’s second self, that seals up all in rest.In me thou see’st the glowing of such fireThat on the ashes of his youth doth lie,As the death-bed whereon it must expire,Consum’d with that which it was nourish’d by.This thou perceiv’st, which makes thy love more strong,To love that well which thou must leave ere long.A character that would quote a Buddhist poem at length is, in translation, a character that would quote a Biblical psalm or Shakespeare, at length.
>>749017185Because they can just hire a shitjeet to plug ai prompts in at half the cost.
>>749019170As opposed to what they're doing now?
>>749019128>A character that would quote a Buddhist poem at length is, in translation, a character that would quote a Biblical psalm or Shakespeare, at length.ok bro i was just shitposting, of course i don't think removing it is a good idea, but i don't agree with this approach at all. a translation shouldn't be making that determination and there are far too many additional implications that result from referencing shakespeare for it to be a simple substitution for a buddhist poem. there are all sorts of reasons why the original work might have selected a piece from that period, that references buddhism, with that specific subject literary prose, subject matter, and imagery it has for any other work to be an apt substitution. the best compromise is just to translate the original poem as best as possible and concede that its literary allusions is just one of the many layers that are inevitably lost in translation.
>>749019319this is literally the point, this entire studio will be replaced with one guy prompting ai. ai is just the new outsourcing.
I hate Square Enix.
>>749019386You'd never put that much effort into defending the Japanese version of Lord of the Rings replacing lembas bread with something else.And all this "um, actually, there's a reason that..." wouldn't matter at all. This is all just "thing; thing, Japan" where you ascribe a level of cultural sacredness that you'd never demand of them in return.For example, when Ghibli adapted When Marnie Was There they didn't stress about the deep and complex reasons the original took place in Norfolk, England, nor did anyone else. Nor will you now you're hearing this.
>>749019568Don't make me open my Tifa folder.
>>749019662adaptation is not translation, and yeah I don't care about lotr, but subtitles for western movies are dogshit in japanese because of longstanding traditions established by bad translators who had barely any english understanding and an industry that values making money over a good translation (hey, not so different from vidya).ghibli's adaptation of when marnie was there is an adaptation, a transformative work, not a translation. nobody is watching howl's moving castle and complaining it makes it its own story, not even the original author. a translation is not an opportunity for you to express yourself, you complained about nintendo's localizations but you're proposing exactly the same thing.
>>749015631Only matters if it matters
>>749019945this will damage the reputation of all the slop made by humans, we need to single out ai slop so people know when it's okay to support the slop.
>>749020013Shit its shit, there is no point in differentiating between human shit and robot shit
Not everything in life should be about competition.I'm saddened to see our world solely revolving around "numbers go up".It's basic stuff to say, but I still won't accept it as a person.
>>749015631It's just that automation has finally started to hit the stereotypical white collar workforce which is where you see all this outcry. The blue collar and non-collar workforces have been dealing with automation for the past century. Hence why nobody gives a shit when someone from there gets replaced and just told to get another job.
>>749020092This. You had your chance to stick up for cashiers and manual laborers. But you didn't so now you get gaped.
>>749020092It was however outsourced to Indians so not much difference
>>749019945Ah, the "trannies in women's bathrooms" defence.
>>749020251if you cant tell it doesnt matter.
>>749020251Fucking lol
>>749020294okay darky
>>749020294Damn right, zister!
Thankfully I don't buy Squareslop.
>>749021047You will...You will!
>>749015631you are wrong. Luddites can't code or create at all. They're just emotional over having to deal with slop.
I've been having a ton of fun with image/videogen as a hobby, but it's still not ready for deployment in game dev since the tools to control character/background consistency are in infancy and online solutions are all turbocucked garbage. But the progress over 4 years was immense.
>>749021857I COULD FIX GOBLINS
>>749021981Get a latinx
>>749017101Please go into detail about your fake job, liar-kun
>>749021694>Luddites can't code or create at all.Actually the Luddites were craftsmen.
Nobody tell SE niggers that if they can make a game with AI so could the consumers.
>>749022343>Nobody tell SE niggers that if they can make a game with AI so could the consumers.Anyone could make a game without ai too though?
>>749015631Good morning sir +1 izzat for another post.
>>749022765Nah, the game police would get you
>>749015965this is just pussy talk lmao
>>749015631I fully support this.AI is the future and luddites have no place in it.
>>749015726you don't understand the point of art and creating things.but desu, everyone who gets discouraged because AI can do it "better", should stop and do something else. saves me from having to look at things made by weak people
>>749017901Based. And same, I'll be saying "luddites" a lot.
>>749023103>you don't understand the point of art and creating things.Which is?>um, the boundless human desire for creativity!Okay, so why do you want to see things that a computer did, and not things made by that boundless human desire?
>>749023286>Which is?to be created. to express oneself, sometimes, just for shits and giggles. but in the details it will always be unique to the person that made it. because the process of creating itself shapes the end result a lot, sometimes in very unexpected ways.you'd know this if you weren't brown and had ever made something, anything. Instead of just consuming.>why do you want to see things that a computer didi don't. where did I say that?
>>749015631Corporation will have no employees and you vill be happy >get UBIYou vill not. You vill get a punch card for ze Onions nozzle. One minute per day to swallow ze Onions from ze nozzle.
>>749015631Luddites are just the usual people who reject a new technology at first, but use it without any shame later.
>>749015965Claude Opus 5.5 has better taste than most people, but definitely inferior to a professional.
>>749023498Don't call me brown because you failed an IQ test I didn't even know I gave you.If, to use more explicit words, creativity is a spritual/mystical/magical/whatever act, then you'd have to be against AI generation in totality as a degradation and a decayed approximation of that spiritual urge.You can't at one moment take the position that creativity is magic, then be wishy-washy about such a fundamentally immaterial act being spat on.
>>749015631Bröther I'm pretty sure SE already had AI make most of FF7 Rebirth. That game is so lacking in the creativity department that no human could be forced to make something that bland.
>>749015631ok sure use 100% or even 200% in game devthat means AAA games will become cheaper, right?
>>749023498>to express oneselfhow the fuck do you do that with AI? if you think saying "computer, make a sad song about loneliness because I'm lonely, use pianos and violins" is expressing yourself, you're a lost causeexpressing yourself is something that only happens when you make shit, because it's coming from you and reflects you as a person, that's what makes it unique and personalit's like that meme about being able to tell when sfw art is drawn by a porn artist because of the suspicious way certain details are drawn
>>749023710why do you assume it has to be spiritual or magical, I said no such thing. though I guess it's possible to frame it that way.even if your assumptions were true why do I have to be against AI wholesale? is that how you live your life? pick one or the other instead of a third position?AI is useful for automation tasks, as an actually good search engine and other logistical things like that. there is just zero reason to ever look at or otherwise consume AI "art". the people scared by it have nothing interesting to offer imo.
>>749023950>how the fuck do you do that with AI?you don't. that was my whole point.what the fuck is going on, have you and the other guy just unlearned how to read?
>>749018952>and "taste" will also be better in AI than humans very soonGod damn the shill campaign is too obvious.Fuck off Anthropic/OpenAI
>>749017710When did /v/ get flooded with all these SHILLS?How much do you get paid to post this shit?
>>749023859Haha no. Haha not even a little bit.After GTA6 sells 25m day-one games will cost 90 bucks.Haha get gaped!
>>749015965The free models today are better than the paid models from 2 years ago. It's only a matter of time before that level of AI quality becomes standard.
Anyone whining about this is retarded and has zero experience working in the industry, most 'QA' are retards that aren't even capable of reading through a spreadsheet, nor do they give a shit enough about their job to fill it correctly, and most of the studios or whatever company they work for are filled by retards only interested in quotas and seeing green numbers.Opus and Astra/Sol are already completely SHITTING on any teams I've ever worked with, it's not even a question, basically 'yo you don't even have to ask, we'll write dozens of automated tests and make sure everything works right from the get go' and that's it. And this is now, I can't imagine how insane this will be in 5 years time. t. worked for over 10 years going from qa monkey to lead technical QA for a couple of californian companies.
>>749024921Pay for an ad, retard.
>>749023717this but FF16
>>749024991An ad for astra and claude? At the same time?Do you realize they're two different companies?And on 4chan? Are you fucking retarded?How melaninated is your skin? Get bent nigger.
>>749025037XVI was 2023, before AI was really popular. You can't blame the AI for that.
>>749025050Sorry, sar, good morning, thank you for doing the needful and advertising AI subs for free.
>>749025119then what's its excuse
>>749025212It's a modern Square Enix game.
>>749025241They should have given XVI to Yoko Taro.
>>749024921Okay so what's your plan after losing your job?
I feel like 1 or 2 years ago QA's would have begged for automation in assisting with their arduous tasks. What happened?It doesn't even have to be fully automated. Just having AI point out problems and suggest solutions with an experienced analysist.
>>749015631I don't want to work in this dogshit sector even if the wages were good (they are not and AI makes them worse), but I also don't want this sector to make dogshit because AI makes dogshit.
>>749025212They tried to force a single player game into an MMO mold.
>>749025361What's yours?What's everyone's?Are you here to cope and try to convince everyone that the sky isn't blue, or what?You have two choices if you work in the industry: you become the guy that works with the AI better than the others and you become the one that integrates the AI and get the faggots fired.Or you get fired.You can cope all you want, but people that live in reality and have an actual job and responsibilities see what's going on.
>>749015631Why does her expression look so uncanny?
>>749025569Shut up cattle.
if you care about videogames, AI use outside of assisting with code writing and automating logistical tasks like that is gross and uninteresting.if you "play" videogames as a means to an end to distract yourself and get some dopamine you won't care and are likely brown or low IQ anyways, so let them make shit like that for those massesthe core issue of this entire thing is using AI to gen assets, animations and so on.is anyone really mad that people would use AI to, for example, have an easier, faster and cheaper way to do mocap animations, by just using 2 phones and capture some footage that then gets translated to a skeleton for animations, rather than having to book a mocap studio for weeks? I don't think so.
>>749015631Because it means no more newfags reaching that level and the industry stagnates.Was that already the trajectory before GenSlop became a thing? Yes but this closes off that very small chance there ever was of recovering.
>>749025624No, really. A PS2 game has more convincing expressions than that
>>749025490What you're not getting is that you're the one that's coping.There is no either-or. You eventually get fired anyway, no matter how much you learn to work with the AI.And then others will say that you whining about losing your job makes you a retard.Try not being a fucking psycho maybe
>>749023717I wish they could have used AI to make the world feel less small instead of just generating checklist objectives every zone
>>749026104>I'm not the one coping, you're just a psychoI'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but guess what not my problem, retardYou're obviously a child with no work experience, you'll learn eventually.
>>749021857This is slop though, the sloppiest slop actuallyMake her pregnant with octuplets and we'll talk
so games will be 70% cheaperjokes on you i will keep pirating because they dont deserve shit
>>749025663>the core issue of this entire thing is using AI to gen assets, animations and so on.as opposed to getting assets from a store or something?
anything is better than unreal engine slop games they been producing last 10 years
>>749026341we used to say the same around 2008 about bald space marine fps n153125everything gets worse always
>>749026320that is still better, yes.although of course if at all possible, assets should be made for the game.AI genned vs. store bought is a false dichotomy
Imagine buying square shite
>>749027060It's only a false dichotomy because you're an emotionally charged retard. Everyone reuses assets, and it's near impossible to generate all those assets yourself if you're a small studio (let alone doing it solo), otherwise your game needs to reduce scope to the point where there's no fucking point in making the game.You will never amount to anything in life, and you need to stop trying to convince everyone else that it's not your fault.
>>749028390This is a lot of words for "I'm dying alone".
>>749025380>What happened?people who don't make anything were allowed to have a say in the matter without being made fun of relentlessly for it
>>749028626Oh no! Not more emotionally charged words on the internet!You made my point for me you retard, you're not logical, I'd ask you if you're a woman but then you might be a tranny and say yes anyways so I'll rest my case here.
>>749016561>I let ai do the work and take from itThen you aren’t a composer. You don’t make music, the ai does and you just steal it and claim it as your own
>>749023103No, he's right, and it's not because of being unable to clear a bar. It's demoralizing because the small efforts artists like to share with each other when coming up can now be swiped at the click of a button. All AI does is breed paranoia and demoralization. Of course uncreatives love it. They have no concept of what's being killed because they themselves have never done it.
Kys barry
>>749015631Wow I was about to buy rebirth until I read this.Square really did go to shit when it became squaresoft.>all these forced sackings and replacement by AI and jeets>wonders why nobody is buying video games anymore
>>749031437>Square really did go to shit when it became squaresoft.
>>749031437Nigger what?
>>749015631>I swear the people who don't like AI seem to excluisvely be the people who don't want to compete with it.I am not a game dev, retard.
>>749017101As in code?Or as in assets?Using assets is kinda lazy and uncreative. Code is also lazy, but it can sometimes slightly quicken the process. Most of the time it makes nothing but generic spaghetti and so the games using it all generally feel the same level of shit with their engines. I tend to get very bored with Unreal games for a similar reason now. They all feel exactly the same. Even just using the RE engine in RE9 (though apparently they used AI too) felt like it was playing a new game. I noticed these "programming paintstrokes" until this became a problem. It's why gaming feels much more creative and raw back in the 90s and early 00s. Seeing indie devs give it a crack and it paying off noticeably changed my mind on the importance of engines with video games. It's part of the uniqueness of the game. Unity has it worse though. All of those games immediately feel the same in some way, even Silksong (though with it's spaghetti of modifications that made it unique in a different way - which is why it took so long) had movement which felt far too familiar. Timings were similar to other games for me. With AI code, you are essentially do similar with your engine. You're making it to the standard the AI considers acceptable. Which is generally the same every single time.
>>749020251kek
>>749015631>retardera trannies will be gatekept out of japanese games altogether if they're so adamant about their anti-AI principlesUnleash the clankers. At least japs won't have an excuse anymore to reuse assets
>>749022785Unironically yes. AI is just being used to work around IP laws.Which ironically will be used to leverage yet DRM in shit.Nice AI GPU btw. Would be a shame if they used the AI in it to enforce DRM measures.At this rate, humanity will go back to the 70s or 80s with hardware electronics because of DRM and technocracies forcing AI into everything to enforce it.
>>749022903>yeeeees monopolies and DRM is the future luddites!>this will never blow back and set humanity back 50 yearsThe 70s to 00s really just fucked up the entire globe with monopolies and security measures huh.
>>749031437>wherever I am I must shitpost
>>749025380Because it's just a trojan horse for censorship and DRM.The AI is just the facade for monopolisation and control over the masses. Poor AI chatbots often realise it too.
It's ironic how before AI some games would just an image that was taken out in public of whatever, regardless what's on it. And it's not like how some games were using a library of assets they were allowed to use.
>>749015631so just how bad is the situation behind the scenes right now where someone felt the need to push endless AI shill threads?
>>749031526>>749031638I meant square enix.Sorry, AI hacked my brain.
>>749032259And it was criticised in the past as lazy too.For some reason Japan got away with it the most. >My Bloody Valentine in FF
Companies are all for replacing labor with AI until they will learn in the future that all those people that were fired can no longer buy goods because they have no money. You’re putting the cart before the horse if you focus so much on reducing production costs that you remove all the people that would have bought the product at all.
>>749032563It's bad economics. To me, it's the same problem industrial society has had time and time again and it just feeds shit like the MIC eventually (because they have to get employed somehow right?).Oh look at that, they're starting beef over Iran, Ukraine and Palestine. Coincidental timing.Reminder to dodge any draft in the future. Fuck these elites.
>>749015715Sonic the hedgeHOG
>>749032328Heh, no probs Anon. I agree with your sentiment.
>>749032563Which they fix by raising the price. You can fire half the employees if products cost twice as much.
>>749025663Games are toys. Only insecure retards pretend that games are art.
>>749032798>Reminder to dodge any draft in the future.Lmao you think your self-diagnosed autism is going to stop them from sending you out to die for Israel? It's insane that you believe you're going to be dodging anything when service is made mandatory.In the elites defense they've warned you for decades that the useless eaters will be the first to go.
>>749015631So you're telling me they're not going to listen to retards and DSP anymore? I hope this means better level design, enemy encounter, pathfinding and much more.
>>749032412GTASA had Pokemon and Mickey for some reason. Not sure how you OK that texture.
