In silksong there is an upgrade that gives you more damage if you don't take damage yourself, i think this is bad game designe, it rewards and promotes a passive and defensive playstyle when i think it a game designer should try to do the opposite and reword risk taking and a more ingaging playstyle. Fromsoft did this very well with Bloodbornes rally mechanic where for a few seconds after having taken damage, dealing damage will heal back a portion of the damage you took. Thoughts?
>>749027634They just had to make a new badge, more quests, more areas, more maps, = more badges . Also, you probably shouldn't equip it compared to other options. Does not sound meta.
>>749027634If you take damage it stops working and becomes a waste of a slot. That's practically the definition of risk/reward.
>>749027910I am talking about the Hunter Crest but my point still stands
Umm... I think I will just equip the shaman crest with weavelight and just spam pale nails without ever interacting with the enemy.
>>749028306Wanderer crest outperforms it for a fraction of the effort. Beast and reaper are downgrades to Hunter. Shaman is useless and witch is a one trick pony that also underperforms. Architect is the only one on par with a crest you can get 20 minutes into the game.Crest design is utter garbage
>>749027634Silksong is badly designed as a whole.
>>749027634>it rewards and promotes a passive and defensive playstyleThis is only a sensible take in a game where you have to commit to your attacks. There is zero animation commitment for your basic attacks and you are capable of dodging literally every attack in the game at point blank because you have access to a dash, an air dash, and a double jumpBecause you can attack and defend at the same time, your argument has no merit.
>>749027634> i think it a game designer should try to do the opposite and reword risk taking and a more ingaging playstyleThat's a personal opinion rather than an objective tenet of game design. If the designer wants to promote passive playstyle's that's absolutely fine especially since they designed the game and maybe playing passively is better.That aside I don't think the upgrade is there for defensive playstyles, it's there for speedrunners and people who do no-hit runs.
>>749028621Sure, if you play perfect, most people don't play perfect>your argument has no merit.Get over yourself dude, like what?
>>749028494>Wanderer crest outperforms it for a fraction of the effortThis shit never account the extra tool you get with Hunter which IMO is way more useful than the ability to sometimes sneak an extra hit you get with Wanderer
>>749027634What item or tool/charm are you talking about
>>749028494/thread
>>749028849*Crits for free and outdamages the tool for no extra action input*
>>749028849Still not worth it for players who are mid/good at the gamehunter is excellent for players speedrunning at very high level but the majority of players (especially people who've played hollow knight) find out that wanderer covers everything you need. Mobility outside of combat etc
>>749027634>Thoughts?I beat the game numerous times
>>749028849You're probably right about the red tool actually being more advantageous but 99% of the tools in silksong are just boring gay projectile vomit so who cares about having less access, people who care play Architect
>>749028971>Mobility outside of combatI mean, that’s every crest.
>>749027634Bloodborne rewards R1 mashing, which is not what Silksong was going for.
>>749028494wanderer has to be a fucking meme. I tried it once in my steel soul run and got shit on because of very tiny needle range and not so useful pogo. Hunter is the best crest, amazing dash attack, pogo that opens up much more ways to follow an attack, 2 red tools and upgrade from Eva for more damage
>>749029143Silksong promotes square mashing
>>749029143>R1 mashing, which is not what Silksong was going for.The beast crest is literally the mash your attack button as fast as possible to become a drain tank experience
>>749027634>Fromsoft did this very well with Bloodbornes rally mechanic where for a few seconds after having taken damage, dealing damage will heal back a portion of the damage you took.Sounds like a mechanic to help less skilled players survive a little longer, but it still sounds better to not take damage at all. A better example would be something that increases damage output as your get hurt or when your health is low.
my thoughts are beating Groal felt better than an orgasm
>>749029442That's stupid, you're dumb, dummy, dummy, you a stupid dummy
>>749029114>hunter crestclunky diagonal pogo (low to mid learning curve but still an additional mental charge to take into account)>reaper crestprobably the only reason people will play this crest, but it's actually a noob trap and much slower than wanderer>beastkek>witchdecent>architectkinda bad, the downward charge attack gives you a little more time to think when platforming similarly to reaper but takes a bit of time to get used to, architect was designed to melt bosses first>shamanwho careswanderer mogs thanks to its early game accessibility and hollow knight familiarity factor, speed, etc. even without long nail or longclaw. I saw a post yesterday saying that there's a good chance people complaining about silksong being slow, clunky or boring were probably using reaper and hunter (not upgraded) and I think I agree
>>749029167>wanderer rangeIt’s barely shorter than Hunter. You’re just stupid
>>749029664and you are metacuck who didnt beat the game
>>749029717>moving the goalpostDumbass
>>749029167I lost a steel soul run in the beginning of act 3 because of the game taking my precious wanderer away and forcing me to play with the hunter crest. You know that partI beat it the second time but I was really mad. I really hated devs forcing you to switch crests upon discovery during your first playthrough, it's not as bad on repeat ones cuz you know the map and where the benches are. Same with the red memory, you play for 20-30 hours with another crest and have to "suffer" the hunter crest. It's not that bad but it felt jarring
>>749029717>metabut hunter is the meta retard
>>749027634It has contact damageThat's all you need to know about this trannyslop
>>749029782>StrawmaningTypical lefty behavior
>>749029819thats my favorite troll from devs. People really hate diagonal pogo
>>749029867contact damage is a good thing. much better to have that than Iframe slop
>>749029867>i can't hide inside a boss's ass the entire time>i have to learn proper spacing>this is a bad thing that makes me feel badIf you're filtered, you should realize that you are a fundamentally incompetent person.
>>749029869Concession accepted
>>749029607>Lower DPS>Bind effect is lost on taking damage>Bind effect is still a net loss unless you need to heal>Additional silk is actually slower than just attacking faster which in turn generates more silk for no cost>You also have to pick up the fucking silk balls AND they're RNGReaper is so stupid I don't know what they were thinking.
ok good gameplay discussion but when do we get to see the steel people
>>749029956You have to use simpler words if you want me to understand you
>>749028957>2% crit chanceThat’s statistically what, one, two times in a major bossfight? Even less if you have to bind often. And yeah it might save your ass but it might also happens on a boss phase you have no trouble in anyway. It’s just too unreliable to be more than a nice bonus when you get one. A second red tool now, that’s always going to be useful, it’s always something you're going to be able to rely on. I didn’t go for fancy on my Steel soul run so I went>Hunter crest (rarely had the DPS bonus I might add)>Boomerang>Triple dartsAnd I honestly never felt that man I really needed to rethink my entire build to squeeze that one extra hit that might be the one that goes *TWIIIIING*
apologize
>>749030128it's not about the crits. even without them you can dish out much more damage and heal faster etc
>>749030128>>Hunter crest (rarely had the DPS bonus I might add)>>Boomerang>>Triple dartsmy NIGGER literally have same builds during my Steel Soul runs. Bone mask + polip in blue slots, magnet and some other random shit in yellow (never used compass btw, its for low IQ specimens who cant orient themselves)
>>749030370Fuck yeah bro. For me it was also Bone mask + compass, some stuff to get more shards on yellow, and mostly the classic survival tools for blue like the one that lets you bind faster. I only started using the 4-mask heal on Lost Lace.
>>749031489oh well I havent got that far in my runs. The farthest one I had was past Trobio, got the clawline, reached the top of cogwork core and died on my way back
I can't say I'm surprised the one dev came out as a tranny. the whole game is about constantly transitioning your crests and loadouts instead of actually just playing the game normally. shitty bloated enemy HP, too. really fucking boring and disappointing gaym.
>>749030370compass is useful if you play intermittently and don't know the game during a first playthroughif you play 5 hours a day every day you won't need itbut if you play 2 hours every week end chances are you won't remember everything about the map or what you did unless you actively took notes
>>749029867>genre defining games (Metroid and Castlevania) have contact damage>whine about a metroidvania having contact damage 30 years lateryou're a soft zoomer
>>749027634>im bad at not getting hit so the game should reward me for being assOff yourself you transvestite nigger
Wandererfags are obsessed with DPS to a insane degree, it's nuts.
>>749032293things dying faster=less time to breathe on you and take half your masks
Speaking of bad game designe, consumables are almost never used unless they are very powerfull and you can get more reletivly easily and yet games often just shove a bunch of trash into their games and expect players to bother getting and using them
>>749027634I think that's good game design because it requires actual effort to take advantage of and requires some real forethought and planning to really optimizeNow consider the exact opposite, The blue dice. An item that requires 0 thought to use, will always save your ass when you don't deserve it, and encourage bad play habits by believing you will get saved by RNG bullshit at any time.
>>749032293Dps?>Mash attack and parries all hits for no double mask damage taken
>>749032386>>749033136Except that mentality is to just ignore the boss and wail on it, tanking hits. You don't learn it or master it, it's advocating turning your brain off like a retard.
>>749030128You're still limited by ammo. You can shit damage with a single Tool instead of wasting ammo on a less effective Tool
>>749033235no, that's Beast Crest
>>749033359Wrong, Beast still requires you to use your head because its pogo is ass and you can't heal out of attacking.
>>749033359Wanderer is also better for tanking funny enough. Theres no defending this garbage. If you're not using wanderer, you're sandbagging.
>>749032293I've always been of the philosophy of>danger>the more danger remains the more afraid you are>kill danger as fast as possibleI don't feel serene otherwise
>>749033235wrong
>>749033594wanderer is boring, thats the point. It requires no skill, no strategy
>>749027634I've not played these games, but that sounds like an incredibly standard kind of equipable skill or ability. Tons of games have that as an option. Even with your Fromsoft example, they literally have rings that do the exact same thing lol
>>749033235>if you didn't bring the bamboo sword to the gunfight you're not using your brain
>>749027634>there is an upgrade that gives you more damage if you don't take damage yourself, i think this is bad game designe, it rewards and promotes a passive and defensive playstyleWhat a bizarre bait thread this is.
>>749034254Team Cherry hates me, personally, so I am going to take every advantage I can get
>>749034419>Team Cherry hates me, personallyYou shouldn't take it personally, since I hate you too and I don't work for Team Cherry.
>>749027634I can see your intentions, OP
>>749034516well sure but you're not trying to give me testicular torsion through a video game
>>749034419just admit that you got filtered by diagonal pogo
>>749028494>Beast is a downgrade>Shaman is useless>Crest design is utter garbageIt's always a treat to see wanderermain posts, you just know these shitters absolutely suck at the game and hate Act 3
>>749034607Believe me, if I could, I would.
>>749034254wrongto play good with wanderer you need to know enemy movesets and your range, especially for act 2contact damage is unironically your worst enemy, so proper spacing and environment awareness are required at all timeshunter is also like that but to a lesser degree, while the pogo sucks for platforming it's extremely useful for a lot of bosses cuz you can reposition. with the wanderer pogo you need to be absolutely sure the boss you're pogoing onto won't do a jump and damage you, which requires more game knowledge
>>749034660but you can't and wouldn't know who I was if we met, so I bear no ill will towards you
>>749034571whew anon thanks, for a moment I was thinking about hornet as if she was a bug and not a hot fuckable chick
I once saw someone stubbornly refuse to switch off Reaper because he liked the moveset, get frustrated by every boss he encountered taking forever and dying a lot, and eventually ragequit the game. TC should've increased Reaper's damage to at least offset the slow attack speed because it's fucking bad.
>>749028849Because if it did, Wanderer would get shit on by nearly every crest in the game that has 2 red slots. Red tools are broken, simple as, Grab the laser pistol and your favorite kind of bomb and you're good to go.
>>749034824The in-game description also made me believe that the reaper crest would trade attack speed for bigger damage. I felt scammed when realizing it didn't impact anything other than a bit more range and giving you worse aerial attacks. Seriously fuck whoever designed that crest and the system as a whole.
>>749034904>Grab the laser pistol and your favorite kind of bomb and you're good to go.I went with this setup until I realized I didn't really have a use for a railgun. It was just a weaker silkspear. Switched it for flintslate and now enemies explode.
>>749027634so use a different oneit's not bad design because you personally don't want to take the riskyou can also look at it from the perspective of "if I play better, I get even stronger" which can just as easily promote improving your aggressive playstyle
>>749035067>I went with this setup until I realized I didn't really have a use for a railgun. It was just a weaker silkspear.That's the point. Discount silkspear for unblockable sniping while running the parry, sharpdart or threadstorm on your actual silk skill slot.
>>749029867Contact damage is based. Yes, you should be forced to actually engage with the gameplay instead of just mindlessly running past everything.
>>749029867holy fuck I was playing the Castlevania demo and no contact damage made it feel like a joke
>>749034625filtered troon
>>749035525>29 hours 100% steel soul>file 4 is 78 hours 95% normal modewtf are you doing?
>>749035525>30 hours on Steel SoulEnvironmental storytelling
>>749036015file 4 was my first save file>>749036134no I just took my sweet time and played without a guide
>>749036223>file 4 was my first save filew h y
>>749036247why notI also do this in rpg maker games, I use like save 15 instead of the first one
>>749036223>no I just took my sweet time and played without a guide>t. using the "best" crest in the game with atleast three playthroughs on recordkek, you love to see it
>>749036281
>>749036324You are extrapolating based on a screenshotIt doesn't tell you that I did steel soul 100% first, then the speedrun thing, then the witch crest ending.It also doesn't tell you that several times I left the game running in the background because I was shitposting here, even during my steel soul attempt(s)Or that I actually tried experimenting with other crests in the other files to see if it truly was worth it to play without wanderer (it wasn't, at least for me)You can continue to move the goalposts as much as you likeI can even stream a 100% steel soul attempt right now for you shitter
>>749036553>Ackchually ISure you did, buddy
>>749035525>wanderercuck gets called out>F-F-FILTERED!!Bitch, sit your ass down and listen to your betters. You might even learn something.
>>749036856your turn troon
>>749036856>>749036909I'm better than both of you because I only have 40 hours in the game and did everything
>>749036909>It also doesn't tell you that several times I left the game running in the backgroundThew jokes write themselves. Neck yourself
>>749037134I've also been fighting modded bosses. You can keep seething as much as you like tranny. You lost
>>749037210>btfos himself by admitting to idling>I fight modded bosses too!Kek, sure you do.
>>749036856>>749036909Are we having a competition?
Ignoring the autistic shitflinging, act 3 is really not difficult compared to the previous 2 acts. You have too much health to be put in any kind of danger, and the last nail upgrade can be obtained extremely quickly if you bothered to explore previously.
