I need /v/ to form my opinion on this game for me. I remember enjoying it and what I specifically remember is>driving is boring to an extent but is really engaging. the high performance vehicles probably could have been made a bit faster/tighter desu>gameplay loop is kind of bland and removed a lot of fun goofy shit previous games had>world isn't as diverse as previous entries but feels really immersive due to large pedestrian/vehicle counts but also struggles with feeling empty due to lack of useful side activities that aren't let's go bowling xD>story is a bit meh but most of the characters are pretty good/funni
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>le driving is ““““““““““““boring”””””””””””” (read: too hard)>muh wacky n goofy stuff (read: I’m low IQ)>muh world too small (read: I’m easily fooled by copy and paste)Pleb tier tourist opinion
>>749028919shittiest, most boring gta game ever madenot even the dlc games could save it
>>749028919best,most interesting gta
V is the best game.
>>749029293>Defends his favorite goyme like a good goyme
>>749029662That's libtard city and troons row 2 thoeverbelt
>>749029348Yeah, I never got the hype for the DLCs either. They didn't really do anything new and the sort of retconning of weapons and vehicles in those two games despite them taking place in the same timeline and those weapons/cars never appearing in the base game always bothered me.
It has some of the best characters and atomosphere better than rdr2 i would sayYou can just feel the grit and dying America dream in GTA 4
>>749029662nahI don't hate V but IV and San Andreas are undeniably better.
The story to me is just bland. Idk. Niko bounces from criminal syndicate to criminal syndicate working for them for a bit doing stupid grunt work until it's time to kill them. It concludes with killing Darko who wasn't even in Liberty City and had to be flown in as some ass-pull and then the story just kinda ends. By the end game he's burned literally every connection he made through illegal work and so what's left? Running drugs around the city for the Jamaican guy? He killed off everyone else and everyone left would have to be stupid to work with him because he ends up killing all his bosses...
>>749028919>driving is boringYou can call it unrealistic, floaty, bumpy, arcady whatever you want. However, for better or worse driving in this game is never boring.Look, you're saying you remember it, that means you haven't played it in a while. Do yourself a favor and reinstall it with Fusion Fix. It fixes a lot of stuff and it even includes DXVK by default nowGrand Theft Auto IV is timeless. It feels like a game that could have been released last year.
>>749028919>gameplay loop is kind of bland and removed a lot of fun goofy shit previous games hadNo
>>749033105Story is GREAT up until you start working for the mobsters, by the time the third island is unlocked you're mostly doing missions for shitty mobster character ripoffs and all of them suck. The story gets put on ice because you're waiting for The U.L. Paper Contact guy to find Darko.
>>749028919gta for hipsters, even more hipsterish than liking saints row 2 or watch underscore dogs
>>749033550Dan houser 100% was watching too much of the sopranos. Probably got the Dwayne/Playboy thing from The Wire with Stringer/Avon too.
>>749033553being called a hipster in todays gay fucking poptimist, marvel baby box office era is not a negative. Neither is being called pretentious
>>749033752ok, you're a pretentious hipster :)
doing cool motorcycle tricks and sliding cars around is lame, I do like trying on different outfits and going out on dates in the game
Speaking of Fusion Fix, I had no idea they added turn indicators. I have always wanted this in GTA. Shitflix trailer shows VI has this as wellThe dedication of the people making mods for this game is amazing. It makes sense though. It's the best GTA and possibly one of the best games ever
>>749028919That's pretty much what I actually thought about the game as well
>>749033734>Dan houser 100% was watching too much of the sopranosHe watched it so much to the point they even hired actors from the Sopranos, most of the characters from the Pegorino family were Sopranos actors.Angie Pegorino, Jimmy's wife, is voiced by Rosalie Aprile's actress, Jimmy's bodyguard "Anthony Corrado" (Tony's and Junior's first name) is voiced by Eugene Pontecorvo's actor and Jimmy himself is voiced by a smaller actor from the show, hell, Ray Bulgarin was the fucking Russian interior decorator from the Pine Barrens episode
>>749033936OH MY SCIENCE! WHAT'S NEXT? NIKO WILL REMOVE HIS FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER WHEN NOT FIRING? A BUTTON THAT MAKES HIM SAY "TRANS RIGHTS"?
>>749028919Best written, best atmosphere, best gameplay, but extremely boring and repetitive mission design. Ultimately, it's the best of a mediocre bunch. I've been replaying it recently.
>>749034624Take your meds please
>>749028919the driving isn't boring at all and that's the saving grace of the gameplay. driving is boring in most other GTA games but not this one where every police chase requires your full attention because if you fuck up, you're going through the windshield.
>>749034748I don't take pills, I'm comfortable being a man. You on the other hand...
>>749034993Whatever broIt's one of the many fixes in Fusion Fix and similar mods that improve IV's already great immersion. I singled out the indicator thing, but there are a lot more
game is hardcore
>>749028919install Fusion Fix with the PC version on steam.https://github.com/ThirteenAG/GTAIV.EFLC.FusionFix#readme
>>749028919somebody needs to make a mod for proper helicopter controls, wish it was more like in battelfield 3/4
>>749035697you also need to delete the included d3d9 and vulkan dlls, linux dxvk is much faster than the included one
>>749035976keep the dlls if you use windowsdelete the dlls if you use linuxd3d9.dll and vulkan.dll specifically
>>749036529Lighting in webm is with fusion fix right? Colors look a lot nicer and less washed now
>>749035976I thought that even if you chose DX9 in the game menu with FusionFix installed, Proton will just use whatever DXVK version it has anyway. Not sure why they even made that menu anyway, how fucking hard is it to drop a .dll into the game directory if you're on windows.
>>749036724looks like I have messed with the saturation slidertry the "screen filter" setting too>>749037105it's easier for me to just delete the files
>>749035976I TOLD YOU BRO
screen filter settings
night shadows
waiting for night time to see night shadows and the impact on cpu
this crate can be moved, never seen this beforeI'm going to use it to block traffic
^I wonder if those frametimes seem to have a somewhat wide min/max compared to something external like manggohud because the in game limiter is prioritizing the lowest latency as opposed to perfectly consistent frametimes
>>749038976the mangohud frame times are like that in every game, I don't know what's up with that. do you have any advice
>>749028919>gameplay loopall the gtas barely even have a gameplay loop. The loop is go to next "minigame" mission and simultaneously watch a movie part, then optionally take a break to dick around in a sim sandbox, which might have more minigame "activities". ALL the gta's are shit for that. IV lets you dick around the best of them all though, just because RAGE physics were new and unrestricted. V barely even used it.
>>749039376749039376It's just how MangoHud works because it's an external limiter. It doesn't actually know what's going on inside the game; it just limits when frames are presented. It's incredibly consistent, but it is technically adding some input latency.
>>749040013it's currently using the in-game limiter set to 60they do not want me to have the crate
>>749040143Man I loved the physics in this game. I'm confused, do you mean the mangohud frametimes in other games are smooth or like the webms you've uploaded?
>>749040770mangohud frametimes look like this. bouncing between 2 values. I don't know if they are just reported wrong or the games are actually running like that
>>749040993Oh. Enable Vsync.
>>749041119didnt help in gta ivwhat got me a smooth frametime min-max in vkcube was VK_PRESENT_MODE_FIFO_KHR = 2type vkcube --help to see the options
I dont remember much but I remember dying like 100 times on the last mission.I dont remember why I was dying or what the mission even was but "I'm not letting you grt away Demitri" is forever burned into my soul.
>>749028919I played it a month ago and that's pretty accurateNeeded a lot more assassin missions that had you explore the map
>>749041943it's the high fps helicopter bug. you need to limit your framerate if you don't have fusionfix
>>749041950Did you play the hitman missions on the payphones and the cop missions in the cop cars? There’s quite a lot there already.
>>749041838>VK_PRESENT_MODE_FIFO_KHR = 2Anon, that's just VSync (double buffering)When I use VSync in game, and rely on mangohud for framerate limiting, I get picrel
>>749042154I guess I have to use external vsync not the ingame oneI don't know if I can try it I just got a pcj
>>749033550>A bloo bloo I want to start over I don't want no more killing>Kills guys literally in like the second mission and doesn't even care >Wants to track down Florian and when he finds him he just... Believes him because he's a heckin wholesome gay faggot now so he can't be the bad guy?????>They have to fly in Darko on an ass-pull to give that whole side arc closure And again the whole game is just bouncing around stereotypes of New York crime. Now Niko works for the Russian mod, now the Italian mob, now some Irish gangsters, now some hood niggas, now the Italian mob again. Why would all these guys want to work with a dude who always ends up needing to find a new boss because he killed his old one...?
Probably the only GTA whete the Auto part felt engaging enough to be fun. The PS2 trilogy was fine too, and it was good enough because your cars weren't made of Vibranium. If you took on too much heat, you had to swap. Most cars would handle about the same. There were some variances but not enough to make a huge difference. IV's handling took it into an interesting but controversial turn. I'm on the side that enjoyed it because it added a lot of variety to chases. You could end up with total clunker options when swapping from your desired car that you wrecked and had to adjust to its quirks on the fly. The cars were more durable but thanks to the changes of handling, the physics engine and the new damage systems affecting the car's performance, it still made for some unique experiences. Especially if you took thinks into consideration like letting Niko buckle up to prevent a deadly crash.V was just the worst of all worlds though. Almost everything handled the same except for Super Cars, which were just faster, your car was nearly indestructible with the post PS3/360 ports removing vehicle crumple, and you didn't have to worry about your car flipping over because it was basically glued to the ground unless you got into a bad jump or hard crash. Even if you got flipped, the car would auto flip back into place so you rarely had to engage with car swaps. You just stuck to your favorite car the entire time.
>>749042317I don't have IV installed rn so I can't say, but maybe the in game VSync option is broken somehow.
>>749036724Use the Console Gamma option in the Display settings, it restores the Xbox 360 and PS3 gamma curves that made the game look less washed out. You can choose one of them
>>749029662Only if you enjoy sucking dick.
>>749042923trying MESA_VK_WSI_PRESENT_MODE=fifomaybe its my window manager messing with me (openbox)i have labwc and xfwm4 too
>>749028919Gay Tony ups the wackiness and has more SA style missions. The base game's missions are boring af. The best thing about 4 is the mulitplayer
>>749042317There was a time I was obsessed with trying to get perfectly even frame times in this game because I love it too much and want to play in the best way possible, but I could never get it to work flawlessly. Although it was with older versions of Fusion Fix and DXVK, so maybe it's better now>https://blurbusters.com/howto-low-lag-vsync-on/Here is something you can look into for perfect frame timing. It's also very useful for many other games. It's basically a way to have the Vsync on without the usual input lag it creates. You set a value in Riva Tuner, usually 59.97 or 59.98 and enable another form of VSync. Slightly lower values will give you less input lag, but higher (closer to 60) will be better for frame times. Try both in game setting for VSync and Nvidia Control Panel. Useful setting I remember is "Low Latency-1" in the panel but there is a way to do this in the DXVK .ini file as well.Now with my results it would be almost perfect. But I could never get rid of occasional stutter this game just has. When you're roaming around the map I guess the shit would load and drop a singular frame which is not a big deal, but it breaks the frame pacing. I believe it's just an issue with the asset loading logicI have no idea if having a Free Sync monitor would help with this at all since I don't have one, but it could possibly make some difference in smoothness.
>>749034570His house looked like shit though.
I don't think most people remember how free GTAIV missions were. Playing V for so long messed with my memories and for some reason I thought IV was just as restrictive with its mission design as V.>>749043838>The best thing about 4 is the mulitplayerUpset that we never got a Cops and Crooks mode in V
>>749043884I'm using a different operaring system. Thank you for the effort.
>>749044259Yeah IV was the last GTA with a lot freedom in the mission approach, but I have to admit they were quite repetitive.GTA V's missions on the other hand had at least a bit of variety but were super cinematic and scripted, which meant that you mustn't go off the script at all times or the the director would call 'CUT!' (mission fail) and you had to do the scene again (retry)
>>749028919>Back thenIt ran like shitThe map is congestedWhere are the fucking weaponsThe cars are SO slowFucking with the cops isn't that funThe story isn't entertaining Progression doesn't feel fulfilling>NowPrecombat setup is tediousMissions that require the cafe are tediousIt's pretty realisticThe story is incredibly grounded and deepIt's easier to run than a web browserGay characters everywhere feel forcedLol piss filter Halo Reach was still more emotionally gripping
>>749044579Still, I am sure there is a way to try this out on Linux. The premise is the same, you just use your Afterburner equivalent to limit the frame rate. Were you able to get a complete stutter free experience with your settings? I think it's more of an issue with the asset loading rather than anything DXVK and other fixes can do.
>spare Ivan>kill Dwayne >kill Francis >revenge ending
>>749044797>It's easier to run than a web browserno it still runs like shit
wayland labwcMESA_VK_WSI_PRESENT_MODE=fifo MANGOHUD_CONFIG="fps_limit=60"
>>749045169skill issue
>>749045248even with DXVK and perf fix patches it runs worse than GTAV
>>749044754Yeah they're definitely just "Go here and deal with target". Still, the ability to approach it anyway you want is a plus when you go into it with the mindset of completing a mission by your terms and not how they laid it out for you to tackle it. I found IV much more fun on a second playthrough with that in mind.
>>749045321no shit it's a more detailed game
>Kill Francis>Revenge Ending>Fuck Kiki>Go bowling with Roman>Nothing of value is lost
>>749045389ok so you have mild brain damage
>>749045517says the guy playing ubisoft gta
>>749028919It's product of it's era. Games tried to be serious so this one had to be, games tried to be realistic so this had to be, games tried to be tell a story, so this had to. The main problem it came out after it's biggest hit of San Andreas which was a ghetto nigger arcade game so people got a whiplash when the next game wanted to tell a story of a serbian war cirminal hunting down his fellow comrades over revenge telling you how revenge is bad violence is bad, enjoy you time with your family while you can while being a sandbox where you can blow up civilians and hit them with your car to laugh at the uncanny ass ragdoll mechanics and being fucking molested by your fucking cousin to force you to play with the boring ass bowling minigame. It was tone-deaf as fuck.
>>749028919We have a similar opinion. The way I describe it is: Gta IV is full of at first - but then's>At first the driving was impressive, the physics are great, experimenting with the cars is fun but then you get to the end of the game, find the best car in the game and it still handles like a boat.>At first the facial and character animations are impressive with top tier voice acting but then the story goes on way too long and becomes monotonous. Personally I tuned out around the time I was doing missions for Brucie, that guy was straight obnoxious.>At first the gunplay is impressive compared to the other games in the series, but then the jank sets in and you're struggling with the cover system that feels both too sticky and too loose at the same time.>At first the character customization is awesome, being able to create multiple outfitts for Nico, but then you find out the style is restrictive and there's no way you can't make him look like a FOB dork (not counting suits) then you start to wonder why you can't customize body sliders like in San Andreas>At first the side activities are impressive, doing bowling, darts, dating, comedy clubs, movies and drinking are all introduced in quick succession but then you find out that's all there is, they're repititive and it becomes a tedious chore to do every time Roman calls Nico>At first the helicopters are impressive, they handle realistically but then you start to wonder where all the planes from San Andreas are>At first the enterable buildings are impressive, but then you find out there's only a handful of them and they serve to make the world feel smaller rather than larger. The strip club and burger joints are cool at first but then once the initial impression wears off it leaves you wanting more and feeling empty.It's a game that has very strong first impressions but falls apart the longer you play it. I'd wager that if you only played halfway through the game you'd have a much higher opinion of it.
mangohud frame time reporting is offit can show a perfect min and max but in reality it has severe frame drops caused by the fps limiteri'm giving up on forcing the line to be flat when it actually makes the game less smooth
>>749028919>>world isn't as diverse as previous entries but feels really immersive due to large pedestrian/vehicle countsLiberty City is by far the most diverse place in GTA, perhaps tied with San Andreas
>>749048870Not op, but it's less diverse in terms of geography and color pallete. Just off the top of my head, San Andreas has the wilderness, the redneck area, the main city, the rural city, the ghetto and the beach areas which are all visually distinct, whereas in GTA 4 each area is just another grey urban landscape.
>>749044259I miss GTA4's sense of humor, every single character treating Niko like shit, because he is a piece of shit, but their thoughts about Niko also told you something about the characters and the city. It felt just like NYC.
>>749028919https://youtu.be/678MLZlgnuQ?is=sbvjFvwMz48FtNIN
>>749045092>kill DwayneWhy kill the underdog nigga when you can have the rich nigga's mansion if you kill him? Also Dwayne becomes your friend, but playboy just says fuck you, you killed my friend and stops texting you.
>>749051078because Dwayne is annoying, when you tell him you can't hang out for one fucking day he acts like a pussy crybaby.
>>749051423>Get a call from Brucie>Drop everything, answer the call and position myself to be ready to go to one of the three positions I always have to pick him up atLove that guy and Jacob. Roman can fuck off though.
