>kills dungeons >dungeons are now useless >and those who like dungeons will be made to skip all mobs or they’ll get booted
>>749030434Does WoW no longer have dungeons?
>>749030491anon is mad he can't earn gold by botting mage aoe clears
>>749030434if spamming dungeons is your fav part of classic you might as well play another game. the boost/lazy zoom zoom generation is the worst. gotta get 60 asap and raidlog!!!!
What’s with trolls insane seethe about forever here?
>>749030434>>749030491>>749030553>>749030572
>>749030491>>749030553Dungeons and raids are the most fun thing about WOW.
>>749030674nice AI retard
>>749030703Lol no, ganking alli fucks in BRM trying to run to their raids is the most fun thing in wow
why do people have an issue with people grinding dungeons? There's still plenty of people doing quests in the open world.
>>749030434>*mad rambling*So far, every change they made was a good one.
>>749030826>dispells your worldbuffs>mindcontrols you off the boatye fuck raiders ill waste your time for my amusement
>>749030434ok so I've never played wow before, but I remember doing long quests in MMOs which gave the best armor/weapon I could get but basically no experience, meaning it was always worth doing them. How is the dungeon change in forever different?
Dumb niggers really like to regurgitate the reddit "dungeon leveling is da best" but the fastest 1-60s opt in for no dungeons even with summons.And to even match that you need an AOE group which half the classes lack.
>>749031030You get little to no EXP from mobs in dungeons. This is a new change for this game which 99% of the time you with your party just rushed through the dungeon trying to avoid every monster doing this little fighting as possible just to get to a specific boss and then quit.
>>749030434>tank already took us through BFD mechanicallythough I never liked that one much anyways so whatever but getting like 25xp a mob is a little silly. 100xp a mob was standard outside a dungeon and individual kills are a lot faster.
>>749031314Look at their faces lol it's clearly ai
>>749030434oh no you can't just do dungeons for 40 hours to skip the levelling process, the game is basically dead .......... they should have made that change years ago
I love how some people just automatically assume this is about leveling. No this is about the gameplay of dungeons and raids and trying to get the better items that are somewhat rare for bosses. You will never ever be able to normally play dungeons again. everyone will always just be rushing and skipping everything making dungeons completely pointless.
>>749031368I didn't notice it was AI. I guess someone became an Indian in order to fight them. He's like Batman.
>>749030434"People" keep saying this. They made it so you can't be a fucking incel shut in and hide in a dungeon all day like a pussy. More fresh meat for the pvp rapings.
>>749031030one strategy people would do in fresh wow classic servers is dungeon grind to max level. This means they would just get a group, go into a dungeon and kill all the mobs, then go out, reset it, and clear it again. It's not the absolute fastest way to level, but the big positive of it is that there's no competition, you're constantly getting dungeon gear, and it's consistent. Not everyone does it, but it's popular enough you'll always see people looking for groups during the first few months.people don't like it because it ruins the "feel" of the game, they think people should only do a dungeon once or twice for quests, and then go back to the open world to quest with the general population. so the devs for forever changed it so mobs give less exp, but quests give more exp.
>>749030434So they turned it into FFXIV.
>>749031472People have been rushing and skipping dungeons forever now and only inviting mages, if you're spamming dungeons for hours upon hours people want to get it done as fast as possible if you're only doing the dungeon once or twice to do all the quests people might actually take their time with it. Obviously people will still be doing a ton of dungeons at max lvl for gear. This absolutely was the right choice every iteration of classic has a huge chunk of players just ruining the game for themselves by sitting in scarlet monestary are days
>>749030674Why are you mad that you can boost anymore? :3
I don't like that they also just nerfed the dungeon XP quest rewards. I liked being able to go from 13 to 20 in three dungeons
>>749031548>people didn't like how other people played the game so we reduced ways to play the gamenice
>>749030934>>dispells your worldbuffsthank you for your service
>>749030934>mind controlling the strongest autoattacker so they can get devastating crits on their clothieslol. at least they get to see bigger numbers than they ever would normally
>>749031521>More fresh meat for the pvp rapings.Delusional. People who play on Forever's PvP ruleset won't be doing it to spam dungeons. They'll be spamming BGs and clogging up STV.
>need to kill an optional boss for a class quest>everyone else in the group refuses because they get nothing from it and just want to kill the end boss for the quest reward blue gearThe idea to stop boosting is good, but the implementation is not. Should make a long debuff that makes running the same dungeon give no exp instead.
>>749031964optional bosses have loot, you're making up situations and then getting mad at them
>>749031964>The idea to stop boosting is good, but the implementation is not.Because it's not about boosting, they literally stated they want you to go out and do their new quests.
>>749030491They nerfed the mob xp and the quest xp for dungeons recently making them not efficient for levelling which is what 90% of people who will play forever care about.
>>749031579not quite, in FFXIV all of the mob xp got transferred to bosses, but in forever all xp including bosses got slashed by 80%, so the only way you get worthwhile xp is via the non-repeatable dungeon quests.There's also the fact that xiv was smart and added walls and gates so you HAVE to kill everything to progress (at least in later dungeons but in earlier ARR dungeons you still had to kill all the bosses at minimum)
>>749031964Stop making things up to be mad about, hardly anyone will actually be like this and even then it won't be commonplace until like 6 months into forever when everyone is on their 5th alt.
>>749031964>need to kill an optional boss for a class questSpecifically which one, the only example I could think of is SFK horse for paladin 2h mace. I've been playing the game long enough to know 90% of groups absolutely would kill an optional boss for your quest
>>749030703Go play Fellowship. They need you.
>>749032186so it's somehow even worse
>>749030434>>and those who like dungeons will be made to skip all mobs or they’ll get bootedThat was a thing since you retards demanded original classic servers to be like private servers>>749030491You can't bot farm them or pay real money to level through them anymore, and so people who hate playing games complain
>>749032119>>749032243>"Hey can we do this thing">no response. tank just keeps taking the shortest possible route to end bossThis is exactly what happens on retail and will probably happen here too due to megashards or whatever the fuck they're called.
>>749032186I'm sorry but if you're genuinely saying FF14 dungeons are better than WoWs you are hopeless, FF14 dungeons are AWFUL the way they gate progression it feels like it's instanced inside an instance. It's hard to even put into words how awful FF14 dungeons are and I say that as someone who has gone to bat for FF14 many times
>>749032609still making shit up. lol
>>749032186>>749031106Why did they do this? Now it'll be even more difficult to find people for dungeons. Why would you ever spend time running all the way to for example Scarlet Monastery instead of just grinding some boars and leveling up?
Low IQs don't realize that this incentivizes selling carries.
>>749032609Nigga I've never known a group in classic WoW type setting to not do the optional shit Why would sharding matter in a 5 man instanced dungeon?? Do you know what sharding and layering even is? You are not only making shit up you're also not informed enough to be convincing about the stuff you're making up
>>749032624I'm saying that 14's xp redistribution is better than what forever did, and the gates DO solve the problem forever dungeons are currently experiencing which is players trying to skip everything because it's not worth killing
>>749032897people maximize for time anon, not gold. if you can level faster questing people will do that
>>749032252Lock boss is stratholme on balcony comes to mind and I didnt even play a lock.
>>749032769the game is going to have like 3 million people playing it i don't think it will be hard to find a group for anything
you can still spam all the dungeons you want. in fact, you now have the opportunity to run more instances than ever to get to 60, which should be great news since you claim to love that shit. or maybe the actual seethe is that dungeon spamming is no longer the optimal method of lvling and you are big mad about that.
>>749032769they're going back to the original vision for dungeons as a one-time thing you do on your journey and move on, rather than an xp and loot pinata you abuse until you outlevel it and go to the next dungeon
>>749030434based and quest-pilled
>>749032979Scholomance* and apparently theres 2 summonable bosses there
>>749032945all the dungeons in 14 feel the same because it's just the tank running wall to wall pulling interchangable packs of mobs, WoW players occasionally skipping a mob or two doesn't really change anything considering they were doing that before exp nerf anyways
>>749032979stratholme is also paladin for their mount. Warlocks optional boss is in dire maul where you need to do a wave defence for like 5 minutes and then the boss spawns but most people are happy to help you get your mount from it
>>749033113>the optimal method of lvlingThe WoW dads really ran it with this lie.
>>749033176the balcony boss in scholomance drops such good loot if you have the blood and can summon it you're more likely to get invited into groups, at max lvl people do dungeons just for gear they obviously wouldn't skip bosses unless the group is formed with a specific boss in mind
>>749032926Without servers there is no sense of community. On a megaserver you will see a person once and never again. There is no incentive for them to help you.You clearly do not actually play the game and are going off of memories from 15 years ago. Dont reply to me again nigger.
>>749033113I don't like spamming dungeons myself but of course people who like would be mad it's less rewarding
Blizzard is on the record for why they have done this. They have added a bunch of new shit to the world, and they really want niggas out there playing through that instead of spamming SM.
>>749033281i think the people that like spamming dungeons is in the vaaaaaaaaaaaaaast minority, they only do it because of how effective it is.
>>749033113Why shouldn't you get rewarded for completing a difficult task?If blizz is worried about boosting, why not tie the xp gained to the highest lvl character in the group.So if a lvl 60 is in the group, you get like 1xp per mob, but if you are all of the appropriate dungeon level, you get the normal amount?
>>749033270>On a megaserver you will see a person once and never again.Forever is already confirmed to be using a system that puts players together who have met out in the world before. Forever is also confirmed to be using the Recent Allies system from retail that marks players you've recently played with.
>>749033374>the new content is so bad and unappealing, the only way to get anyone to try it out is to enshittify the old content
>>749033473is questing being faster the same as you not getting rewarded for spamming dungeons? so the argument is really that you think dungeons should be faster than questing or what?
>Try out Forsaken Paladin and check out other new quest dialouge>The only edge thing is Sylvanas threatens to kill us if we go insane because of our power>Female leader of the order at the Keep in the new area remarks "We do this to be good and help others">When the entire concept should be essentially self-inflicted torture in the name of vengeance or justice, where it's a bunch of cops threatening>Shaman description in character customization removes the concept of 'tribal' and 'fury' that emphasized the more raw nature of their magic>They are now 'community leaders' and 'spiritual guides' as the only focus>New Elves """"work""" in the lore, but it's more hamfisted then a man being dragged around by 2 pigs with both his arms shoved up their asses.>Haven't completed the zone, but it still just feels like adding elves for the sake of China and women to have something to play on Horde.
>leveling as prot>enter a dungeon>pull everything>some nolifer dps pipes up "you can skip those mobs">kick him because I'm the party leader>recruit one of the dozen dps's standing just outside>rinse and repeat until my quests are done*sips* yep, this is the life
>>749033591The new content also includes a dozen dungeons
>>749033473it's not really a difficult task people were spamming dungeons even while half asleep, people did that for every iteration of classic for 7 years every new release people were spamming stockades or scarlet monestary or hellfire ramparts or utgarde keep. so they're probably just pivoting to something different. maybe they could make it a bit better xp but it shouldn't be nearly as effective
>>749033473dungeon quests still give huge xp even with the nerf
>>749030434Good, now they need to nerf all other exp gain by like 90% to make it an actual horizontal mmo like they intend.On their current trajectory, players are still going to hit level 60 within the month. Then everyone will beg Blizz for "endgame content", and we will be back on the retail treadmill of vertical progression.
>>749033646>Haven't completed the zone, but it still just feels like adding elves for the sake of China and women to have something to play on Horde.The worst part about Blue Elves being both factions means everyone is still playing Horde. They should have just been Alliance to force a balance.
there are new dungeons with its new quests so it balances out probably, and with all the QoL and class changes I still think leveling is a little bit faster
>>749033835They are opening raids after a month so getting there that fast seems intentional.I have no faith in Blizzard to make a true horizontal game. WoW tards are trained to chase number go up. Doing content because its fun and rewards cosmetic stuff doesnt compute for them.
>>749033137Good luck trying to get the deviate hides and serpentbloom in one go retard.
>>749033227after a month no one does that Warlock mount boss when bot accounts can just keep the quest in turn in stage indefinitely and sell you the completion.
>>749034126this. Im pretty sure you could level to cap starting from Ragefire Chasm or Hall of Thanes to level cap if you rotated between all the new dungeons once and did their quests. maybe not now with the quest xp nerf
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>>749034378Wtf.... Let me try to make a dude.
>>749030553I don't believe they nerfed loot but what's funny is that, if they did, that would affect the people who manually run dungeons for gold more than bots/gold sellers. If anything, it would just encourage players to buy gold by removing a way of legitimately making gold.
>>749034291Pretty sure they've already fixed shit (dungeon) quests like that. In outdoor content they're only making it so quest items drop more equally for people.
>>749034378I STILL can't make a Horde. Are those percentages for PVP? Link to the site.
>>749034291>20/20 hides>10/10 bloomsNot my problem, like blizzard intended *leaves group*
It's no different from any other version of WoW really. But I get what you're saying OP
>>749031964Pugging in general is meaningless.>will not just be 20-30% worse than people you know but 600-700% worse>will be significantly slower>will likely just need on shit they don't need>probably won't even speak English>will need to take 20 smoke breaks before finishing a single runor you just find a guild and do 5 runs in the time it would take a pug to do 1.
>>749034147If you want mounts mogs cheevos why arent you playing retail?
>>749034687NTA but it also says 20-30 so there could be 6 million level 10 forsaken paladins
>>749034759Because I like what Forever is promising. You apparently do not so it stands to reason you should be the one to fuck off.
just let me level in dungeons, we are playing on a megaserver anyway as if the questing areas will feel empty its such a retarded excuse to nerf dungeons. I don't always want to be questing its repetitive and it's aids when the areas packed. sometimes I want to spam scarlet monestary so what let me spam it. I like playing with other people let me faggot, fuck your new reddit quests
>>749034815Oh... you're right. 20-30 isn't all characters. It's complete shit that you can't make a character if there's too many on the faction. All that does is cause crazy FOMO, but I don't give a shit. I only missed out because I didn't know about this bullshit, but it's not full release so I have a second chance.
>>749034815Dong ding
I just want arms to be a playable spec in pvp and pve. Faggot hunter main dev gave mortal strike to a fucking croc pet and other insane pet abilities and wants recklessness to be a 30min CD so he can feel good when killing a warrior popping reck from africa
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>>749035025Umm arms is the pvp spec honey ;) if you want to play pve then go fury like the devs intented :)
>>749034957you will collect 15 gnoll foreskins and you will like it
>>749034147>Doing content because it rewards cosmetic stuff doesnt compute for themAnon have you looked at modern WoW? There's more pointless cosmetic shit than ever before. Reputations only exist to drip feed you mounts, pets, toys and now decor. Maybe some recipes for gear if you're lucky. The big rewards for being super good at M+ and Delves is mounts and titles. People still run old content for the tmogs and mounts. Playing junk collector has never been easier or more of a focus than right now.
>>749030434>and those who like dungeons will be made to skip all mobs or they’ll get bootedBig reason why MMOs cant work these days, no matter how many times you revive shitty old systems. It is a societal issue, people are awful and so a virtual world cannot exist or have integrity. Forever will become rampant carry selling just like retail is. Where as a new player you either buy your way with rmt or stay out...forever. lol
>>749035139>trims out the fun partnot reading
so they made dungeon spamming slower than questing?
>this is social game go out and quest, incel!Questing>182 people trying to tag boars>make group>15/15 boars slain>"ty" leave groupDungeons>spend hours with the same group of people>more likely to actually get to know someone and leave with a friend or acquaintance
>>749035219that's how it was before wrath/cata degeneracy
>>749035219Dungeon quests got a huge xp boost (it was nerfed recently but still far above what they give in classic) and dungeon mobs give close to nothing.What this means is that most groups seem to be avoiding what ever mobs they can easily skip, clearing the dungeon once, and moving on.Why this is funny is that quests are still anti-social since there's next to nothing in place to support group play. Dungeon farming was one of the few things that kept random players in a group for awhile and now that's gone as well.
People like playing dungeons, it's not always about leveling?
>>749035350as if nobody spammed dungeons in vanilla and especially tbc
>>749035250Azeroth is the main character.Stop hiding in your little pocket dimension jerking off
>>749030434in hardcore they made it so you can only run each dungeon once per day until you hit 60 at which point the limitation disappears. why not just copy that? i don't get it.this is just gonna result in an even greater tank/healer shortage as nobody is doing dungeons until 60 at which point they'll be too entrenched in dps to consider switching.
>>749035484>in hardcore they made it so you can only run each dungeon once per day until you hit 60 at which point the limitation disappears. why not just copy that? i don't get it.What change would that effectuate?
I love PVP but on a megaserver how bad has it been so far? Can you at least get through most quests?
looks like the hype for forever is already slowly being deflatedsoon, all that remains as a reason for being hyped is "well, we were hyped so we must have been hyped for a reason so we should stay hyped"
>>749035557it means no dungeon boosting spam? you could still level only through dungeons but it would take exponentially more real-world days due to the cooldown.
I'm already bored with it. When are we getting TBC forever?
game was infested with people spamming on chat about rushing dungeons per gold, or even dm spamminglots of them were bots
>>749035686>looks like the hype for forever is already slowly being deflatedMaybe everyone should fuck off so I can make a character. I pray for nobody to play this shit, so I can make a character on release.
Trade and General are surprisingly based on the PvP server. I assume PvE is the fag containment zone?
>>749035686>excited at first>beta happens>everyone is a faggot blue elf>dungeons cucked>bots everywhere>streamers heavily influencing the game experience>RMT in a fucking beta>my desire to play it just completely dries upthe people calling it retail minus were right, thank god i wasn't retarded enough to pay for this shit lmaoi'll just do another 1-60 hardcore run to scratch the itch probably
im struggling to understand how you would learn about new quests and zones in forever and your reaction to that is "yeah lemme go spam sm like i did in 2019 and again in anniversary". makes zero sense to me.
>>749035957>I assume PvE is the fag containment zone?It's not, and my time during the beta was on PVE. PVE is just the normalfags, and PVP is everyone else. RP would be the people sitting in the darkest corner of the school.
>>749035968>>everyone is a faggot blue elf33% of Alliance is human, 30% of Horde is undead, last I saw anyway>the beta isn't perfect!!! >:(Trust the vision, it's going to be PERFECT.
>>749035974im struggling to understand how you would think completely cucking the dungeon experience for the average player instead of just nerfing mages is a good idea. makes zero sense to me.
>>749034957>I don't always want to be questing its repetitive>Wants to kill the same mobs for hours in the same dungeon
>>749035974Most people are literal monkey golems that see level cap and make it their mission to hit it as fast as possible while killing all the fun they could have if they slowed the fuck down for 5 minutes. Really, level cap is an absolute disease killing all those games because DON'T YOU KNOW THE GAME STARTS AT LEVEL CAP HURR FUCK LEVELING WASTE OF TIME. Every game, every time.
>>749035968That feels like every Blizzard/WoW release nowadays.>announced>people get excited about the possibilities>point by point, the things people were excited for are obliterated>in the end, what keeps people excited isn't the things they actually look forward to, but the circular logic of 'we were excited therefore we're excited therefore we were excited therefore we are excited" without even having any idea what they're excited about
But dungeons were never faster unless you were some premade abuser? All the fastest solo levelers do quests for a reason.
>want to play on RP servers to avoid str**mer drama, retards, politics, etc.>don't want to play with cringy roleplayers or ERPers (though those might at least be funny I guess)SufferingI wish there was a "RP naming rules apply, don't talk about real life shit too much, and don't be a fag" ruleset.
>>749035250Kinda fucking true. Rerunning the same dungeon a couple times with the same people because they're competent and chill, taking time to check rares for one guy in the group, taking time to complete some quests for the people who need them, chatting with people when someone takes a small break, rerunning the dungeon a couple more even after you got all you needed to help and give more chance to people who needed the same loot as you to get their own. But no, faggot devs wants you to experience the new slopfog ( that you cant even turn off anymore ).
>>749036217just go pve tho. for sure all the streamers and their cult follows will go pvp (which is a meme anyways)
>>749035974>~33% more quests than base vanilla (over 1000 new ones)Can't wait, there were so many zones that just needed that little bit extra in. Just a dozen more quests in even the most scarce of zones sounds like a lot, I don't know how they managed to spread over 1000 more quests throughout the game.Anyway it should reduce the need to do dungeons beyond quest clears for most people entirely I think. You shouldn't ever have those weird gaps now. So the xp changes are great imo, and anyone against them seems like a moron.
>>749036263needs an anklet and toe rings.
>>749036263>pre-nerf JainaWe're coming home. This really is Classic Blizzard era.
>>749036474The problem will now be that you outlevel zones before you can do even half of the quests available. With the dungeon quests now shitting out insane amounts of exp it will be even worse if you also wanna do dungeons even 1 time on your way to 60.
>>749036156you get loot dopamine and every new party, if you don't run it back, is a different experience, I like playing with randoms I don't know why I'm not allowed to play how I want
>>749036605You dont NEED to do every quest available. I am happy that I can tell the intact makrura eyes to fuck off and collect the new loa totems instead.
>>749036605I actually tested this. You basically have the choice to skip out on the last few quests of an area and jump into the next one for maximum exp gain, or you can wrap up the quest lines in the previous area and you'll usually be rewarded with some decent upgrades for your gear. It's a decent trade off
>>749036474>Anyway it should reduce the need to do dungeons beyond quest clears for most people entirely I think. You shouldn't ever have those weird gaps now. So the xp changes are great imo, and anyone against them seems like a moron.why can't I choose to do dungeons instead if questing is just as fast, because you don't like them? its optional
>>749036680my dream would be that they slowed lvling way down and let me just wind my way through all the zones and dungeons, but i know there would be a riot from casuals if the time to 60 was made longer.
>>749036263>3 mana 6/10What is this, 2024? Literally unplayable.
>>749036737>why can't I choose to do dungeons insteadWhy do you want to play WORLD of Warcraft stuck in the same small instances over and over again?You're supposed to explore the big open world and all that was added.
>>749036737>why can't I choose to do dungeons insteadThe developer of the game has said they dont want that. It's really not more complicated than that.
>>749036783Should we kill battlegrounds then too? And remove pre raid bis from 60 dungeons? We are on megaservers. Exploring and doing the quests is fine on the first character but what if I'm leveling an alt, I have no choice but to play the game the way you want because you don't like instanced content. I like leveling healers especially by spamming dungeons, questing solo on a priest isn't fun at lower levels
Doesn't matter what side of the argument you're on, Blizzards current "solution" is categorically terrible and encourages skipping all the mobs and most bosses in dungeons to just rush the quests and get out. It will 100% be adjusted no matter how hard you scream and cry.
>>749030434You do realize that WoW Forever is an attempt at mainstream popularity and not for autistic loser faggots spamming the same shit over and over for 15 years right?
>>749030434WoW Forever will die because of a combination of retarded devs and retarded players.The point about the devs has already been talked to death, basically it's fucking nuBlizzard and they already did a few blunders (Skyborne) and will eventually fuck it up even harder, plus WoW is not built for evergreen horizontal content, it's fundamentally a themepark with leveled zones you quest in for a bit and move on to the next one.Now about the players, they will suck the fun out of everything, minmax all the systems, play according to some "rested xp" like addon, grind the currently available lvl 60 content and bounce.>the client is always right thoughNo, it's 2026, everyone is a moron, I'll never forget 2020 lockdown and how pussies just fell in line and betrayed their fucking neighbors for some "good boy" points.
>>749030434good, classic launch fell off hard for me because as soon as i hit 30 i realized half the playerbase is just living in sm instead of playing the fucking game, dungeons should be run a few times for gear not grinded to fucking max in a version of the game that was all about bringing back the open world
>>749036739For some reason the devs have decided that one month of gameplay before the first tier opens is enough. Pretty much forces people who want to raid day one to poopsock to level 60 in two and half weeks and then focus on preraid prepping.
>>749036938shuffle some of the exp from quests back to mobs, but still keep it slower than questing. problem solved.
>>749036957That's retail faggot nigger. Forever is Classic+, several developers have already come out and said it's balance is meant to appeal to Classic players, and retail isn't going anywhere. Hope this helps!
>>749035250both kinda sound shit to me not gonna liebut the idea that we must FORCE people to go out and quest in the world already makes me feel like 1. blizzard is too insecure about their non-dungeon content, and 2. what point is there to playing an MMO when your entire playstyle is railroaded? Wasn't Forever lauded for supposedly bringing back the "RPG" in WoW?
I WILL quest in the open world.I WILL do dungeons for the dungeon quests.I WILL do dungeons for the item drops.I WILL do dungeons multiple times for fun.I WILL adventure and level at my own pace.I WILL play with my friends AND with randoms.I WILL enjoy myself.I WILL re-roll to Goblin when they get added in a patch.And I WILL be happy.
>>749035692>it means no dungeon boosting spam?That's already the case though. I'm asking what benefit limiting dungeons to one per day would offer over the current situation of dungeon mob xp being heavily nerfed.
>>749030434>INVITE TO SPELLCLEAVE ASMON LAYERwhy do you want this
why would they nerf dungeon xp? what is the point of them now even if you only do the dungeon once?>questsI can do quests outside of dungeons>gear drops retardyou are leveling who cares
>>749037019>Pretty much forces people who want to raid day one to poopsock to level 60 in two and half weeks and then focus on preraid prepping.no one is forcing players to do anything. blizzard is not holding a gun to your head and making you do anything. players do this shit to themselves, even when blizz is begging them to stop.
>>749037141>you are leveling who caresThat's right bro, level cap, level cap, we all only care about that level cap.
>>749030434Are the new quests the same old shit or did they somehow innovate?
>>749037127this mfer actually likes video games godamn.
>>749030434>clear dungeon>pull every pack and kill every mob>be done with itWarchief wanted it cleared so it's done
It'll be funny when players can no longer do the dungeons they need to because all the other players around them have no incentive to enter them anymore.
>>749035448they say this and yet the only content to do at endgame is instanced content. raids or bgs
what will there be to do at 60 outside of clearing the relevant raid once a week?
>>749036515Reserved for elfs
>>7490372734 months down the line everyone will be buying 15 minute dungeon carries because all that matters is the boss and quest.
>>749033673Which are disincentivized by the xp nerf.>>749033681It's more difficult than killing boars in the overworld, thus you should be rewarded for it more than you would for killing boars.Also, spamming dungeons was only viable in a dungeon finder world. Most people would stop playing after a dungeon, two at most.The xp nerf is now punishing all players, just to get to the few boosters who would want to get to 60 asap.
>>749037424Blizzard just want the 1-30 areas to look populated because 90% of the playerbase don't even make it to level cap
>>749033646>>Shaman description in character customization removes the concept of 'tribal' and 'fury' that emphasized the more raw nature of their magic>>They are now 'community leaders' and 'spiritual guides' as the only focusOh I hope the new writing they make is so pozzed it gets tons to cancel their subs.
>>749037237CORRECT
>>749036710The "correct" choice will probably be to target the quests that give the best gear upgrades, while ignoring those that either don't or are less experience efficient.Of course, WoW is a very casual game and none of this matters or should matter to 99% of players. I just finish the quest lines in an area before moving on because I like it.
>>749035686the devs outed themselves as retards who can't be trusted. not that this is surprising after sod
>>749037573i assume groups can aoe farm outside of dungeons if they want
>>749037532 pvp or leveling alts
>>749037273Like all of the many problems in the game, the real solution is having friends
>>749037706so they outed themselves as modern blizzard employes?
>>749037547>>749036263Not a footfag...BUT...
>>749037698>I just finish the quest lines in an area before moving on because I like it.based beyond belief
Idk man. I will just create paladin, download that addon that shows me where to go with an arrow and I will follow it and press 1 (one) button untill I'm max lvl.
>>749037782yes pretty much
>>749037028Just do what XIV used to and move all the mob exp to the bosses. Same total but you have to go kill all the bosses to get it.
>>749037902we must be better
>>749037783But..?
>>749037891Why don't you just play Wolverine if that's what you want.
>>749032252Always kill the horses, they drop decent bags
>>749036263hag feet...I KNEEL
>>749034378Where are the class breakdowns?
>>749038010Who's gonna tank for you then?
>>749037973noooo don't stomp my 4 inch body NOOOOOO NIGHT ELVES ARE SUPERIOR PRAISE ELU- AAAAACK
>the magic and appeal is in the journey>already pigeonholing all their players into a specific path that they can control so they don't go and have fun in ways Blizzard didn't pre-approvethey just don't get it
I dont think the dungeon changes are inherently bad, but they way overcorrected and magies can still easily spam mobs in them anyway and get a relatively big payday
>>749038110The other tank that's online.
>>749037973But they are very well drawn and very pretty
I guess you'll just have to find like-minded people by talking in chat and form connections instead of hitting letsfrottinggay and autorunning a dungeon every five minutes. Wait... what was the vanilla experience that we missed so much again?
>>749039351>what was the vanilla experience that we missed so much again?I don't know, but Forever is definitely trying to recreate it. This campfire system is just to force players into close proximity. I think it's really neat. It won't even be necessary at launch because the game is going to be flooded with players.
>>749032624Retard. Try to keep the context in mind when you read his reply.
>>749030491People are going to speed run them for boss clears and skip mob pulls even more now because of what Blizzard did. Even worse, because Blizzard added a carry option in the LFG (You can literally group find for 60s to carry you through dungeons to complete quests) dungeons are going to be even more dead. These devs have NO idea what they are doing. It's like they want you to hit 60 as soon as possible to raid log.
>>749039887the whole playstyle selector is retarded
>>749030553>earnIf he earned the gold himself whats the problem again? Oh right, mage bots, yeah lets ruin dungeons for everyone because we here at blizzard are a bunch of greedy niggers and refuses to hire cs staff to enforce the rules of our game
>questing should be the only way to levelThis is another "you think you do, but you don't" moment, except the retards championing it won't actually want it 4 months down the line when they're leveling their 3rd alt (or most likely quit) and Blizzard has once again chosen the wrong side.
>>749030434>oh em gee. you get only level and half instead two levels per dungthe drama
>>749031964that just makes them cunts
>>749040545What's crazy to me is everyone loves complaining, but nobody seems to give a shit about this: >>749034076Are you going to downplay the population cap?
>>749033835they should defo increase the needed xp per level, maybe even a little past real og vanilla
>>749040545Back in 2004, you'd be happy to get 1/4 of your bar when you cleared a large dungeon like BFD or WC.Now you'll be happy to get 1/20th, so have fun hearing every tank and healer tell you to fuck off and not waste their time.t. tank who will tell you to fuck off and not waste my time.
You WILL join the PvP realm, right /v/?
>>749037237Heresy!!
>>749040816Yes, I will. I can't even make a character in the beta, but I will be playing there on release. I will wait an entire month in anger for my chance to make a character because Blizzard thinks it's okay to say>you can't have any more childrenImagine if they did that to ethnics in the real world. I don't even see the difference.
Why are there more horde than alliance? I thought everyone wanted to play with asmongold
>>749041135>Why are there more horde than alliance?I know why, and it's because their racials are better, but I can't believe instead of balancing the game, Blizzard just make it so you can't make a character if there's too many on one side. It's really absurd.
>>749037132People might be willing to run the dungeon more than once for loot, making it easier to find parties.
>>749030434how is it for hardcore?Is the xp unnerfed since there is a 1 dungeon per day limit until 60 anyway?
They need to go all in on this actually.>Make it so you cant progress quests when in a party with someone above the dungeon level range.This would prevent dungeon quest boosting which might still be a niche thing.>Make it so bosses aggro all nearby allies in the same roomThis way people dont try and skip as much trash. Realistically bosses 'should' call for help within the same room kind of like how Mograine/Whitemane do.Then the can work on cracking down on RMT.>Dont let players use any chat besides /say and DMs until level 10>Don't let players trade currency until 10-20>10 dungeon lockout per day; nobody should realistically be doing more than that>Enemies in dungeons reset if they cant reach any target within 30 seconds of being kited
I cant get rid of my mental illness I lose interest in any wow version since I tried harscore classicit just doesnt feel as good
>>749032609I have never had this happen and if they ignored me I'd just go "oops" and pull them anyway, even if they risk kicking me.
>>749041494>if they ignored me I'd just go "oops" and pull them anywaybased
>>749037127>cata style questsgood luck having an 'adventure' while you sit around watching invincible scripted npcs do things
>>749033646Adding Elves needed to happen. But they should have just been generic high+blood elves and nothing fancy.
>50% of the Horde is either Forsaken or Orc, with Shatter Curse or Will of the ForsakenPlaying an Alliance Warlock in a PvP realm is suffering.
>>749040154thats the crux of the issue. a minimal amount of oversight would gut the RMT industry.i truly hope that they're serious about doing it
>>749041578>But they should have just added High Elves for the Alliance and Blood Elves for the HordeThat's literally what they were going to do until Chris Metzen told them not to do it.
>>749041580>PicrelMade for Forsaken cock.
>>749041668Yeah and its too late now. All we can do is hope they see the negative feedback and try to make these nu-elves as unimportant as possible to the lore. That and when they have them as NPCs just dont use the blue skin and pretend they're just high elves.
>>749041671*Worgen
>>749041440>Make it so bosses aggro all nearby allies in the same room>This way people dont try and skip as much trash. Realistically bosses 'should' call for help within the same room kind of like how Mograine/Whitemane do.I might be retarded, but didn't the first boss in Deadmines do this?
>>749041563I will, thanks. Go be a crybaby doomer faggot somewhere else.
>want to play warrior>all the cool warrior shit is gone and not replaced by anything interested>mana classes don't interest me because drinking sucks>rogue isn't fun in pve>pet classes suckwhat is there to do?
>>749041856>all the cool warrior shit is gone and not replaced by anything interestedExamples?
>>749041856play druid
>>749041856hardcore warrior leveling is going to be a nightmare
>>749041580did they update the classic models?that face looks cute
>>749041920healing setnon-normalized ragefury tank
>>749041580>censored the starting armor cleavagelmao wtf why are they so petty?
>>749042027>hardcore warrior leveling is going to be a nightmareI died sub level 10 in Teldrassil as a Warrior. It only took two mobs. Can't believe Hardcore is even a thing when it's that easy to die.
>>749042068Which set specifically?Two of those are still there
>>749042148you can die to a single mob that's 3 levels under you as a warrior if you get a few misses
>>749042068>fury tankhow so?just leveled a fury tank in hc to lvl 60 and it was very chill how did they kill it?
>>749042192Yeah, maybe. The problem is they don't have a heal. I'm not even some shitter and I played multiplayer games all my life. I tried to bandage during the fight and it got cancelled, and there's no other heal. I suppose you can make potions, but that's still high effort for regular questing.
>>749042235the game is designed to require actual tank specs now
Why does it matter if people want to spam a dungeon so their group gets all the gear then moves on to the next? You can go do every quest or just go spam dungeons, how is that bad?
>>749042321So is threat nerfed or just more dmg incoming?
>>749041284I think you got the question backwards. The way it is now, you can at least run dungeons with the same group for loot. Limiting it to one a day would only detract from that while adding ______.
>>749042409they completely changed talents, as well as scaling of abilities for threat, rage generation, damage, etc. Also yes, enemies generally hit harder (could be a beta bug, but who knows)
>>749042407because blizzard decided leveling in dungeons exclusively is not part of the classic philosophy
>>749041671She fucks every type of cock EXCEPT for forsakencel cock. Lol.
>>749042560hm maybe I will try prot warrior leveling for the first time on forever until hardcore is out just think the hc community is a bit more chill
I never played WoW. how do you even level up as a healer class? Do you become someone's else pocket healslut so he kills all the mobs you couldn't kill or wha?
>>749042321>the game is designed to require actual tank specs nowThis is false
>fuck dungeon exp>force more world content>not sure how the pvp server is going to go>especially with streamer niggers
>>749042818>how do you even level up as a healer class?You don't spec in to healing until the end levels because healing at low levels is piss easy and requires zero talent investment
>>749042824it isn't but good look buddy.feel free to screenshot this and call me a retard if you're right (you aren't)
>>749042818as someone that leveled multiple priests to 60 spec shadow and keep good healing + gear in your bags for dungeonsI think druid got fucked tho for healer leveling in forever
>>749042818>how do you even level up as a healer class?you play retail or you get friends to play with.
>>749042818You level as a dps and then pay to respec.
>nerf mage aoe because of gold bots>dont permaban gold buyers including streamers???????????
>can't just spam dungeons to level my tank/healer charsHmmmmmm, that's kinda dogshit?
>>749030674you know this is AI because the reality is much worse than this.
>>749042983you would love retailclassic isn't for you chud
>>749030572you can tell the people that say this retarded shit are dps only who have no understanding of what it means for healers or tanks to be expected to flip flop back and forth between specs spending gold every time they want to run a dungeon (1) time because there is no incentive anymore and god help you if a piece of gear you wanted didn't drop because now you are punished for trying to run it again because of how awful the rewards for just running a dungeon are now
>>749037193>That's right bro, level cap, level cap, we all only care about that level cap.remove the level cap. make everything scale to your level fuck it your naxx geared? pull 3 wolves in elywn and get clapped by em
>>749043090thank god for dual spec I guess
>>749033646if UD pallies got too edgy they'd be encroaching on DK territory, and DK is eventually coming to Forever so
>>749043159very classic btwnot retail- at all!!
>>749042983obviously all this "tanks healers" cant level is just minmaxing idiots anyway, but if it really bothers you you could just whisper a melee class as a healer or a healing class as a tank and quest together you will be even more effective than the good solo specs
>>749043090>healers or tanks to be expected to flip flop back and forth between specs spending gold every timeGOOD NEWS EVERYONE!Dual spec was invented in 2009
>>749043275>>749043159Dual Spec is only available from level 40.
>>749043219It's le classic+ thougheverbeit
>>749043313and nothing before then requires you to have a specific build so what's your point chud?
>>749043272>you will be even more effective than the good solo specsOr I could just play hunter and quest my little heart out
>>749043313You dont need a single talent point in a tank or healing spec to do anything remotely close to good tanking or healing before 40
>>749043275So was the dungeon finder.
>>749043482Yeah and one of those additions is completely harmless, while the other actively hurts the game.
>>749042894i wouldn't put a single point into resto at this point
>>749043627no dude you don't get it, being able to play another spec without farming gold for an hour first is pure evil and totally the same as queuing for everything from a city.
>>749042983Then dont level as tank/healing specs. You dont need to. That being said I think they should move dual spec to 20.
>>749038131Hot.
>>749043739I've heard enough.Nerf Warrior again.
>>749043627>while the other actively hurts the game.yeah dual spec really fucks my immersion up
>>749043819Seeing female NE Druids fucks my immersion up but here we are.
>>749043819dual spec really does end wow as an rpg, like just press a button and become a totally different character
>>749043739>queuing for everything from a city.summoning stones should be in because its cancer to wait 45 mins for some cunt that has zero fps to walk to a dungeon
>>749043782I don't like that though? ROLE playing game? We're all just DPS now???? I'm flipping that collector's edition I ordered if they don't change this shit.
>>749043948It makes zero sense that your character 'forgets' how to be a healer/tank when they respec. It was purely a mechanical restriction.
>>749044030The whole point of it being expensive to respec is because they wanted people to specialize and commit to a role
>>749044030Well the problem only exists because you CAN respec. That only exists to satisfy casuals.
>>749043970>We're all just DPS now????What do you mean "we"? Are you saying you have no control of your actions? You could play Tank or Healer.
>lol what if we made warcraft but we made it gay and like disney XDyeah, no thanks, wow died a long time ago faggot
Chris Metzen is a pathetic feminist faggot who gets scared by the word "bitch" and cries at seeing old Sylvanas model.Of course he ruins the game.
>>749044263Read the fucking reply chain you braindead gorilla
My dual specs will be healer and tank. LOCK ME UP.
>>749044365I won't read the reply chain. In fact, I'll close the thread and you can talk to someone of your intelligence level. I hope you have fun.
>"we are going to very aggressively punish gold buyers">don't permaban ziqo and payo>permaban people for using dumb silly namesmake it make sense
What if I just skipped every dungeon until endgame by questing solo?
>>749044409paly and druid tanks rape solo anyway
>>749042983I literally did dungeons without healers all the way to 60. You can bumrush with 5 dps through everything without issue. I don't think you retards understand just how easy dungeons are with 5 dps or even 4 dps 1 healer, it's even more of a joke with hybrid classes or pet classes. I used to do Uldum and Scarlet with pure dps groups and people were amazed how smooth it was. The game is literally baby mode easy for retards, you don't need a tank or healer if the mobs are retarded and path to people constantly and die. The game isn't designed for it.
>>749043956get a warlock
Nothing you can say will stop me and billions from playing Forever(tm)
>>749044102Then they shouldn't have made two of those roles suck fucking ass
>>749044550The secret in the beta so far are hunter pets, especially that damn carrion bird. Thats like a pocket tank that can even do dungeons like a real one.
>>749044626hes the faggot thatz 45 mins away.
>>749044331>Chris Metzen is a pathetic feminist faggot who gets scared by the word "bitch"that was Steve Danuser thoughbeit
>>749044550yeah in RoL someone suggested i put on a 2h instead of a shield, no point really tanking anything
>>749044683retarded dps niggers shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on any aspect of the game. shut your worthless monkey mouth and put the backstab in the bag you disposable shitstain
>>749030826>>749030934dangerously based and true
I honestly think I'm more pissed about the nerfs they made to the gear you get from dungeons. There was a nice blue cloak you got from ROL that gave strength agility and stam, then I took a break for some days, logged back in and it's now a green cloak with only strength and stam and lower numbers. Several other examples.
>>749041668>most requested race in all of WoW almost became playable until a senile soiboy said no at the last minuteFuck Metzen.
>>749045095>WHY DID THEY ADD BLUE ELVES INSTEAD OF PINK ELVES REEEall elf faggots should be skinned alive
Why the fuck haven't they enabled BGs yet if they expect us to test this shit? It's not like they've given us any outdoor PvP events like they did on SoD
>>749044989>Why isnt the game filled with overtuned blues that trivialize the game?
its crazy to me they couldnt even wait half a year before they started to introduce new races. the ammount of bullshit they will add to Forever is gonna be very funny to watch.
>>749045452>Why isnt the game filled with overtuned blues that trivialize the game?if a single blue cape makes you feel this way your gonna have an aneurysm when you learn they put spellpower on some low items
>>749036957Give it a few days and every single one will run with their tail between legs here, complain how the game is shit, without mentioning how blizzard played them again.At one point in your adult life you have to realize there is no one who will change their entire personality just because of you, and any attempt is a waste of time, money and energy. WoW players were betting on this change for 19 years at this point, and still think if they bitch about it hard enough they'll get what they want. They wanted classic + and got retail -.
>>749030491No lol. Retards are pissy because they nerfed being a fucking loser getting carried through dungeons by AoE spam.
>>749032156They nerfed the dungeon quest xp after boosting it it's still over twice as much as it used to be iirc. It went from like 2500 to 5000 and now it's like 3600 or something. The actual mob xp is all thats actually nerfed and it's not an issue. If you're overleveled you still get like 4 or 5 bars running something like BFD and you obviously3 still get gear and complete quests. It's not an issue for any normal person.
>>749030934No world buffs in dungeons or raids. They ate fixing class power not to need world buffs. Plus the majority will be on pve.
Do you ever get rings as quest rewards? Level 23, no rings dropped at all.
>>749045452>Why aren't there better quest/dungeon incentives in you know... Classic+ which is supposed to be an improvement on the dogshit slog that was regular Classic
>>749045920Yeah in your 20s theres quite a few ring rewards and few start dropping in dungeons. There was a ring in RoL I believe as well as quest reward iirc. I've had at least 5 rings so far and replaced 1 twice.
>>749031521>More fresh meat for the pvp rapingsPerfect example of why PvP are shitholes nobody wants to play on.
>>749045452>why is there overpowered blues>why would i rerun a dungeon if I can't get xpmake up your mind on what fucking game you want bro.
>>749041612They're not. Retail has too many swiping dad gamers who openly talk about it on their discords and if Blizzard would make a stand then all those swiping dad gamers would unsubscribe.
>>749045967>Why aren't there better quest/dungeon incentives in you know... Classic+ which is supposed to be an improvement on the dogshit slog that was regular Classicuhm your incentive is the cloak thay gives you +4 stam instead of 3 THE JOY IS LEVELING AND NOT HTTING A POWER SPIKE UNTIL PRE BIS
>>749036263Who's the artist?Google is shit, searching for "Lady of the stiletto" brings up nothing.need jaina feet
>>749044989>i played a beta (paid money for it btw) and things changed? how could this have happened to me?
>>749045920https://www.wowhead.com/forever/items/armor/rings#0+4+20
>>749030434>WoW (((classic))) Forever>log on>forced to play on third world mutt server>ingame shop>dungeon finder>ocdonut elves>negroid character customization features >500% exp boost for some reason>dungeons give no xp but for some reason turning in the quests from a dungeons will instantly grant 5 full levelsGlad i refunded this steaming turd. What a fall from grace.
>>749045679Yeah you're clueless. They changed how spells scale by default so they do way less. The spellpower on all gear is a bandaid to fix what they did.
dungeons having shit xp is fine, if they hadnt nerfed the dungeon quest xpthose gave you a reason to do all dungeons atleast once
>>749045967>The game is improved by letting me speedrun it and trivialize it
>>749046216Ngl anon, I think that was created by AI...
>>749046249>anon played a beta that he paid for>things change (get worse)>criticize a company that is already known for it's shitty decisions, especially when it comes to balanceYeah surprised pikachuface... hell if you think this is bad you should check out the Blizz forums
>>749046080The new items added need to the equivalent to existing items at their level ranges, but just filling in for slots and stat combinations that didnt exist. Luckily Blizzard realized this and is nerfing them accordingly.
>>749046494n-no...How is AI getting so good?
>>749042818There aren't healer classes only healer specializations. Specializations are just what points you put into a talent tree and in vanilla, that means you get maybe two extra abilities that you wouldn't otherwise have.Every class that can heal can also dps which means you just buy the dps abilities and use them while leveling.
>>749030434>"ITS ABOUT MUH LE JOURNEY NOT THE LE DESTINATION">meanwhile every wownigger boosts or gets boosted before the game even launchesexplain?
>>749046506>game is worse because one early gear piece is less powerful (actually just complaining that he won't be as cracked out for muh streamer tourney)
>>749030553>>749040154>My arm have a skin infection>Better amputate it all
>>749046582Boosting is gone thoughbeit
>normies overwhelmingly believing dungeons are "useless" because you can't spam them for exp anymoreI am fucking salivating at the idea of being one of the few geared people in a pvp zone just tearing ass through undergeared retards
>>749046582>needing to boost when you can hit 60 in two weeks
>>749046608And why did they feel the need to remove it? Because joyless WoW Trannies made it popular to skip the gameplay portion of the game they pay a monthly sub for.
>>749030491The people developing this project are complete morons
>>749046601Dungeons were never meant to be spammed according to the devs. They were supposed to be self contained adventures to supplement gaps in questing. And while freedom of choice is nice, sometimes people have to be physically prevented from meta decisions for the good of a game as a whole.
I think this thread just proves that people wanted Retail- and not Classic+
Sorry guys, we had to nerf the exp on all dungeon stuff because a streamer who stacked 40 completed quests actually didnt like that they leveled fast. and its fine if you want to run the dungeon once for gear thats fine, you are a streamer who will be given all the blues that drop right? because that's how we are judging the vibes for the game
>>749046728Retail IS dungeon spam. Vanilla is about slow paced questing and the occasional dungeon to break up the monotony.
>>749046458>Yeah you're cluelessno i already knww that but since you fucking sperg out about a cloak giving 4 str 4 stam i assume your a brainlet
>>749046582need to get server firsts to show people how l33t my guildie are ;)
>>749045186i'm only mad because bloolves have dogshit class options
>>749046831The spell damage and healing are not overtuned. What is overtuned on the new gear was the stats. Original dungeon gear at this range was giving like 4 strength not 11.
ah yes... exactly how i remembered it...
>>749046375it makes me sad cause I was expecting the shop and probably the pet/mount/legacy point collection but I actually thought they would show restrain and just let us have classic+ at least for a year before they added everything else. then I saw the new models (not just the elves) and knew it was doomed
>>749047005How exactly does this work? You can see how much gold a person has on hand now?
>>749047005>send money from your main to an alt>"Errrrrrrrrrrm, mind explaining your unrecorded income? I am a totally normal person that tries to spy on random people."
>>749046975it was a quest reward not a dungeon drop and if you think 14 ap is op im sorry you feel that way.
>>749046732is this game even playable if you are American? its not just Asmongold there are like 50 other retarded assholes with their fanboy. thats a lot of fucking people you have to group up with
>>749047102apparently in the "achievements" there is a tab that keeps track of incoming and outgoing spending which is viewable to anyone close enough to inspect you, and using that they can see if the gold made is legit. Of course a bank alt breaks the whole thing but that wont stop streamers from justifying how the handouts they get are "legit"
>>749047005>IRS in a goddamned videogameMan we just can't dodge (((them))) anywhere, can we?
>>749034378Those character portraits look AI generated they're so bad.
>>749047207Think what you want. The devs are listening to the right people and nerfing overpowered gear. Its a slow chud world now.
>>749047005can they just ban people who buy gold already holy shit
>>749047271>5 stam 5 str op>better nerf it to 3 stam 3 str>Think what you wantoh your just another bot i accept your concession.
>>749047268wait til you see the tier gear
>>749030434>>749046582So what are the odds this game becomes raid logging slop within a month where everyone is bored afking in Stormwind/Orgrimmar again?
>>749047973I think its just gonna become the new classic and a lot of people will stop playing / go to retail until they release the next race for 30 dollars
>Classic WoW is back on everyone's minds>somehow no new good WoW smutGoonerbros...
>>749030434>waaaah i cant just afk and spam dungeon finder waaahWhy do people who play WoW hate playing WoW? You install add-ons to maximize your rotation efficiency and basically alert you when to cast what and download add-ons that alert you to boss moves etc.
>>749048185>Why do people who play WoW hate playing WoW?It's the same subset of people who mass disliked Slay the Spire 2 when a broken mechanic got nerfed.
>>749048185>Why do people who play WoW hate playing WoW?90% fomo 5% too shit to play retail 5% streamers
>>749047319that addon was made for streamers so they dont accept gold from weird level 1 characters and get banned
>>74904808690% of the "hype" is marketingmarketers can only make shitty AIslop
>>749048272they should also ban streamers who take gold from their moronic idiot followers. farm your own gold fucktards
>>749048272if the streamers are as good as they say they are why do they need handouts?
>>749047973It's not a chance; it's literally all the game offers at 60. That or roll an alt.
>>749048185I agree with not wanting to dungeon spam, but the "no addons!" crowd can fuck right the hell off
So are melee hunters good now?
>>749048487Seem fine, retarded to be one at 30 though
im glad they nerfed the dungeons and are forcing everyone to quest in the world. After all they just added 1000+ really well crafted and written quests about bringing a love letter to a lesbian's partner 2 flight paths over
>>749048487it seems like a really bad choice if you wanna raid, there is no way you gonna get any good weapons with how insanely good rogue and warrior dps is
How's everyone feel about this whole First Name/Last Name thing?
Is this good for WF shamans?
>>749041612bots are paying customers too, sorry chud
>>749048710I don't really like it as I feel like it encourages people to make meme names or cringe derivative RP names, but I've coped.
>>749048780you cant apply these and shaman weapon buffs at the same time
>>749045791All they had to do was make it illegal for groups with more than 1 mage to exist.
>>749048390then why are people getting so hyped for this? Its like a path of exile season almost. I just don't get the "forever" aspect if its just raid logging and maybe the occasional unbalanced pvp BG. I really hope Runescape and GW3 shakes things up
>>749048710What the odds of getting banned for using Tiggle Bitties?
>>749048954I think it's been changed. Rogues with poison can have windfury.
One look at skyborne is enough to tell me that this shit will be awful. It will be really popular for a few months because it's fresh classic but then there will be mass player dropoff once people start hitting 60 then they'll release more new bullshit that will suck and very quickly it will be retail 2.0
>>749043090>he thinks you need to be specced appropriately to run a low level dungeonNigger if you can't tank as arms or heal as shadow you're just a shitter plain and simple
>>749049019People have been begging for a Classic+ for a long time and the recency bias hype kind of overshadows just how underwhelming it actually is. I think population will plummet very quickly if Blizz doesn't at more gameplay systems for people not interested in joining a raiding guild.
>>749049019people always get hyped for "fresh". I honestly think the best part of wow these days is hardcore classic. I cant see that forever can really expand the game enough to really build upon vanilla for many years.
>>749048710Overall dislike it but I know it's more or less necessary since they're doing this whole megaserver shit
>>749031964Classic wasn't like this in my experience. Groups were always happy to help. More so if it was a cool quest like the Warlock epic mount quest in Dire Maul
>>749049102>skyborneThey look like draenei and blood elves had an abortion. And they're fucking charging for them too. It's actually laughable how hyped people are for this dogshit
I am considering boughtening the skyborne.
>>749046582Gotta get to 60 and grind prebis quick because raids open only 5 weeks after launch.
>>749049019marketing to nostalgia and the promise that they will do it right this time despite having the same 1000 Californians devs who made retails making the game
>>749049126I actually play a resto druid so yeah I do need to be specd as a healer to heal. But yeah keep reddit spacing and defending every choice that blizzard makes while they change core things from vanilla
>once again shadow priests get the short end of the stick
what can they even add as content for this to grow? surely it cant be more lv 30 dungeons. are they just gonna add TBC and WotLK areas withouth higher level cap?
>>749049402Because people had a reputation on a server. If you were helpful or a dickhead it stuck with you.Then retail dumpstered that with RDF that just plopped you in an instance and included players from other servers. Thats when everyone turned into mindless antisocial drones.Forever seems to be in a middle ground where RDF doesnt exist so you need to actually socialize a bit so people will probably be cooler.
>>749032609Brown and lying. errytime
>people talk about how underwhelming Forever is, and how Turtle was so much better>look at what's in it>about half as many new zones as Turyle added in 8 years, with more coming>more dungeons than Turtle added in 8 years>a Timbermaw Hold mega-dungeon is coming>2 new raids and a reworked 40-man are coming>class changes look good>spec changes look good>profession changes look good>took Turtle's survival profession and trimmed all the pointless fat>designing out soulless dungeon spam>blue elves look like shit, but they're already being bullied into giving them actual SD modelsI don't get the outrage and disappointment, personally. Nor do I really know what people were expecting; too few changes, and it's pointless, too many, and it's no longer Classic+. The expectations seem unrealistic, to say the least.
>>749049832in what way
>>749050041the timbermaw dungeon is from turtle btw
>>749050041This just goes to show that people have no idea what they wanted out of C+>you think you do but you don't!
>>749046375All those guys could be having a massive orgy and that would be less gay than what they're really doing.
>>749050041your bullet points amount to>new instanced content>glorified regular patch updateswowmeanwhile Bronzebeard was doing cool shit like actually rewarding you for exploring the world
>>749034578>encourage players to buy goldNow you understand the strategy in having a foot in both worlds.
What class should I choose if I want to be decent in PVP and PVE?
>put on summit to see how the beta looks>guy looks like he has one foot in the graveThis is what WoW does to people?
>>749030434get fucked, turtlefag
>>749048954Yes you can
>>749050583Put on a dress and play a healer.
>>749050548Boronzebeard was abysmal Retail- garbage, and that's without even getting into Ascension's scummy cash shop
>>749050812That's kinda gay, no?
>>749051073Just tell people it's a robe.
>>749030434Reminder that it's always morally correct to kick mage players while they're down.
I was planning on going Prot Warrior for a change too.
>>749050657slop
>>749051420Prot war/prot pal are going to be a lot better for solo world content this time around anyways so it still isn't a bad choice. Not to mention it's still a great idea to run a dungeon once for the quest xp since even with the recent nerf you're still getting around a level from doing them all unless it's a dungeon with only 1-2 quests.
>>749051861I've mostly quested and the SM grindfests did annoy me. SOD was really bad about it. I was hoping Forever would add Gladiator Prot but I can live without it.
>>749034957In reality when logging in you will complain that the Q areas are too populated and you have to fight for spawns.
>>749051861why do people keep saying this? at least for warrior it's definitely not true
>>749049830sounds like a skill issue, and not just your skill but the ones you run with too
>>749043367Thank youuu. God I keep saying this. Nothing under 40 requires a full blown balls deep tank/healer build. And once you get to 40, you can dual spec so now these "healers" or "tanks" (which I think is a lie, most of these people just want to rush through leveling) so you don't feel like you're falling behind if all you want to do is heal main. Seeing the way the people are acting since the beta started only confirms my suspicion that at least 50% of the wow community is clinically retarded. I still think WoW forever is going to end up "failing". Because all these people they're attracting really want retail design but are afraid to say it. So they'll quit when WoW:F isn't retail. Blizzard will then make it more like retail to preserve their revenue. And around and around we go on this fucking loop.
>>749052526At 21 you're gonna have 60% extra revenge damage and 5 rage every time you block/parry/dodge. If you're pulling 2-3 mobs at once you're always going to be proccing revenge while have plenty of rage to use it on top of your other shit. Meanwhile Guardian druid feels like complete ass because all of their shit takes a bunch of rage to use and they don't get rage on dodge until 35+.
Tom Ellis confirmed fired. I have inside info. Not gonna be announced, they are just gonna let things die down. A quiet exit. Clampdowns in effect on unhinged employee social media posts in effect. Emergency PR lessons given to remaining staff. Blizzard does NOT want this launch to be fucked up. Chuds won.
>>749053142I mean at 21 with arms warrior I was pulling 3 mobs, constantly had rage, and did more damage because of a 2hander, impale, etc.
>>749053298The breast milk is also secured in all tummies and the evidence has been discarded
>>749053298>chuds won>because they got a chud who was LARPing as a gutmensch fired for showing his chud wayssure
>>749032119He might be referring to quest mobs like for the warrior rags chest in RFK. You have to go off to the left for a mob/boss but you only ever go there for a few class quests so most people dont know about it.
Some things this game needs to actually be "Forever"1. Alternate advancement at level cap - See ESO Champion system, FFXI Merit Point system2. A reason to explore the open world at level cap - Open world dungeons like Stormgarde Keep, PVP lakes, dynamic events requiring a raids worth of people, handplaced items you can find3. New abilities added with xpacs - Even if the level cap doesn't increase, classes need new toys and playstyles to tinker with4. Vertical progression needs a ceiling - They talked about different raid tiers. This must not go above tier 3. New raids in the future not tier 3 can offer other ways to gear for alts.5. no dungeon finder, no M+, no arenas, no rated bgs - they must not cave on these things that encourage antisocial and/or sweaty eSports behavior 6. No housing, no flying - These are things that make the world feel more empty
>>749053330I just meant that prot war will be far better off than it was in the past. Not that it'll be going faster than a dps spec. Prot leveling in OG classic sucked ass but that was also in part to the fact that the majority of the prot tree sucked ass.
>>749053965got you, my bad I misread
>>749053632Nobody is going to play new raids if the gear isnt an upgrade
>>749054237I will and my guild will, I don't care if chuds who don't even like the game don't
>>749054345No you wont because the game will die and stop getting updates
>>749053142i'm still scarred from leveling as resto in bear form in 2004
>>749054397yeah wow sure is going to die after 20 yearssure thing chud
>>749035350In TBC you either spam dungeons to grind rep during levelling or you level slightly faster through quests and then grind dungeons.
i would never ever ever run mara or BRD more then once!
>>749054237This.
>>749054237then those people might as well play retail
I think I'm going to roll warlock but it seems like a shitty idea on alliance.
>>749055109True, people should play retail instead of GW2s retarded cousin>>749054574WoW has spent 20 years making sure new gear is better than old gear, and its successful for it. Changing that will kill it
>>749055380sorry you hate the game chudblizzard will never change the game for people who don't even enjoy it
>>749049570for what>literally just blood elves, they don't even need to be blue>racials are whatever (haste and regen/ms but only if you find the thing to use)>faction locked classes are mage (wat) and shaman (boring)>druid forms look like shit>starting zone is ripped straight out of retail
>increasingly desperate doomposters continue to try and gaslight people into believing their obvious lies and retarded opinionsImagine if you actually had video games to play so you could do something else with your time instead of seething over a fucking random MMO you have no intent on playing
>>749053064dual spec is giga fuckoff expensive though isn't it? it was 1000g in anniversary. you're not gonna have that at 40, not even at 60 because that's your epic mount money.
>>749055493>blizzard will never change the game for people who don't even enjoy itThe game is and has always been vertical progression where each tier adds better gear. If you enjoy WoW that is what you enjoy
>>749055771If you enjoy that you'd be playing retail.
i wish they would stop wasting time developing new dungeons. what a waste of dev time for content meant to be run a single time
>>749030434>could just leave things the way they were and add new stuff>no let's ruin the old stuff tooBlizzard devs are mentally ill
>>749055842Classic is just 2004 retail, it was always a vertical progression gameDid you actually like WoW at any point? Why do you want it to be radically different
>>749055842or any other version of the game. This is retail btw.
>>749055771if you've ever played the game you would know the entire gameplay loop is progressing bosses with your guildthe only real purpose of gear is to hit dps checks if your guild is struggling or to give you different gameplay mechanics through tier sets and trinkets (or cantrip items/ legendaries in some rare cases)
>>749055939>Why do you want it to be radically differentThey're shills, they're here to agree with everything Blizzard does
So, what do they expect me to do after I reach maxlvl? What content will I have?
>>749042095Had to take a look at it myself and it looks like they just added shirts to each class for whatever reason. The cleavage is still there if you just take that off.
>>749030434hmmm
>>749055939>Did you actually like WoW at any point?No, I did not. I've never played it before.>Why do you want it to be radically differentBecause WoW as it stands is a bad game that fucked up the MMO genre for decades with its awful anti-MMO decisions. But Forever seems to be rectifying those mistakes. At least, they claim to be doing that. So I'm gonna give it a try.
>>749056165bot post
>>749056214Non-argument post.
>>749056161dont you dare think about casting a lower rank spell or say goodbye to omen procs
>>749056243You're right, I'm not arguing with a bot!
Chuds won, we finally removed all the woke from wow.WoW Forever is BASED
>>749056312Correct. You're failing to argue with a person because you have nothing of value to say. If you like vertical progression then you have retail. So why would you want Forever? If vertical progression is so successful then there's no reason to abandon retail, right?
>>749056165Sorry shill-kun I thought blizzard wasnt going to change the game for people who dont play itNow actually they are changing it for those who hate WoW and here's why thats a good thing?Pick a lane your shilling sucks
>>749056401I made only one of those arguments, Pedro. Learn to write in English before you post on my website again.
>>749055971>progressing bosses with your guildClassic is too easy to have progression. Maybe try retail?>the only real purpose of gear is to hit dps checks if your guild is struggling or to give you different gameplay mechanics through tier sets and trinketsGear is overwhelmingly basic stat sticks so this isnt true.
>>749056373>You're failing to argue with a person becausebecause it's a bot, not a person! Have a good day Claude!
>>749056373If you like horizontal progression you should play GW2
>>749053298It's crazy to me how this guy had an entire doxx & harass campaign against him by Asmonpigs and all he did was say "be better humans" and yet the f*male dev who thought a charlie kirk murder joke was funny had 0 criticism from these people.
>>749056606GW2 is way too gay, and it's also not new. I'm gonna play Forever and see if blizzard's claimed intent actually pans out.
>>749056536>Classic is too easy to have progression. Maybe try retail?people progged classic and tbc classic. good job admitting you never played the game
>>749056802>progging MC Embarassing to admit really anon
>>749056862good job admitting you cant read anon
>>749056659Nothing wrong with Charlie Kirk jokes though
>>749030572Dungeons have always been the best designed part of the game.
>>749056920Nobody progged anything in classic or tbc, the bosses just fell over
>>749057024>Nobody progged anything in classic or tbcyeah you also never played the gameyour point?good luck trying to read this btw
>>749053298And we're supposed to believe you because?
>>749030434>blizztrannies paid $60 for a demo version of pozzed vanilla wow
>>749057098I did play the game actually, which is why I know that people below level cap in greens rolled in and 1 shot raid bossesProg isnt a thing in classic. If you want prog you should bd playing retail
>>749030553No, I'm mad that>can zero skill grind mobs in the overworld infinitely with zero issue>go to dungeon where the mobs are much harder and need a party to handle>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GET XP FROM THAT!The hardest content should have the highest XP reward and you don't know shit about RPGs if you disagree.
>>749057262>>749057024Do you seriously only know the word 'progression' in the context of boss attempts?
>>749057262try playing wow someday after you learn english
>>749057024>Nobody progged anything in classic or tbc, the bosses just fell overOH NO NO NONO
>>749054574Runescape will outlive WoW, not just by a little bit but by a significant margin. Your shithole company is run by feminists and indians. It's not outlasting anything. Your franchise has a higher chance of being liquidated within the next 5 years if anything. Don't think Blizzard is immune to getting the Bethesda treatment from Microsoft.
is it even worth getting into wow? im so overwhelmed by all the versions. vanilla, TBC, mop classic, wow midnight, wow foreverlike what do you even fucking play is any of it even good?? seriously is ANY of this stuff fun? how do you keep up with all of it
>>749057362also ignoring the fact that even in nerfed tbc plenty of guilds couldn't kill kael/ vashj week 1, etc.
>>749057425No, get FFXIV instead.
>>749057335Clearing the whole raid week 1 isnt progression in any sense
>>749057494Again, do you seriously only know the word 'progression' in the context of boss attempts?
>>749057362Not pictured: classic, where everything died instantly
>>749057494see>>749057362
>>749031591This 100%. Its as the saying goes. "Players will min/max the fun out of the game". When classic vanilla launched and people got "into" the dungeon grind meta. I can't tell you how many people I had on my friends list that ended up quitting due to burnout shortly after getting to max. The amount of people who bitched constantly during classic about being bored/burnt out after dungeon grinding till their eyes bled were a lot. Blizzard isn't making these decisions without reason. They probably saw the same behavior in the data. Plus, they want to slow people down while leveling. Its WoW "Forever". There is not supposed to be a big expansion reset in 1-2 years. They need to have a steady flow of players leveling constantly for forever to work. If they make it too easy for a majority of players to get to max within 1-2 months; they will see the same issues as classic vanilla. "No content, I'm bored". They have classic vanilla, SoD, and SoM to look back on. Tons of data. Making dungeons primary focus about gear and not exp is the right decision.
>>749057557spoken like somebody who never played the game
>>749057557>where everything died instantlyretail was indeed pictured there, look carefully
>>749057278i assume people can still boost by aoe farming outside of instances
>>749057362This needs to be shown to every single retard that says Vanilla WoW was never hard and you'd just loot pinata bosses.
>>749057570No it's a retarded as fuck decision for the sake of handling fags I don't even want playing the game.
>>749057278Dungeons have gear drops as incentive.
>>749057693anybody who plays knows that plenty of people struggle even in 2026.
>>749057493im not a troon
>>749057758Not good enough. Do I need to explain to you why the combination of>most difficult content>gives the least XPis absolutely retarded and anti-RPG?
Before you could level a rogue through quests and level a priest through mostly dungeons and each alt felt like a fresh experience, while you got to learn your character in the role you want as you make your way to end game.Now everyone gets to level the same way through quests and as a dps spec until you finally jump to your preferred spec at the very end with zero knowledge of how the spec is meant to be played (just like level boosted characters funnily enough.)I cant WAIT to play this FOREVER!!
>>749057570>If they make it too easyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaTITWTLKAlmao a group of lvl 20s can beat BFD, you dumb shills are completely full of shit.
>>749057693It was literally just loot pinata bossesThats why pull count is hidden, because admitting they did 20 pulls over 2-3 months would be embarassing for vanillafags
>>749057846>still gives exp>gives powerful gear you can't get anywhere elseRetard.
>>749048710Good addition but its dumb that you cant optionally just have a single name by leaving the second one blank
>>749057758also the benefit of getting a few high xp quests done in a short time
>>749057886>most difficult content>gives the least XPYou don't have an answer to this and you know it.
>>749057758Yeah and those gear drops invalidate all content outside the dungeon by making it too easy
>>749057806Yet you play WoW.
>>749057913The answer is that it instead rewards powerful gear. What do you not get about this? You get exp outside, you get gear in dungeons. Thus you have reason to do both and keep both populated.
>>749057913but dungeon quests give far more xp than regular quests anondo you even play the game?
>>749057570>"No content, I'm boredthis is gonna fucking happen anyway there is no content in forever its vanilla with modern paint and some new shit>Making dungeons primary focus about gear and not exp is the right decision.welcome to m+
>>749057882post the data then (you have none)
>>749058002if you played the game you would be aware of this, sorry anon
>>749057959>Thus you have reason to do both and keep both populated.But you don't, because once you get the gear you don't need to go to the dungeon. Once you outlevel the dungeon, there's no reason to get the gear.
>>749057959Not an answer.>>749057972Also not an answer, because quests are a one time thing. You don't miraculously stop getting XP from grinding a camp over and over, why would I think some artificial 'noooooo you can't get XP from running this dungeon more than once!' put in dungeons is a good thing?
>>749055768I'll wait to see a confirmed cost before getting upset about it. But it was NOT 1000g on anniversary. It was 50g. Which I think will be doable with professions. Right now on beta its not uncommon to see people in the 35-45g range already with level 30. And yes, they're going to have to split between mount and dual spec. But I think it will be very easy. That being said, I would not be surprised if they make it cheaper considering how they're overall trying to tackle inflation hard with forever (cause inflation is going to be one of this game's biggest issues). Price capping materials. Supposedly going after gold buying much harder.
>>749058038I did play it and the opposite is true, sorry Ranjeet
>>749058072blizzard wants people in the world, not farming dungeons for xpcry all you want, it changes nothing
>>749058038If you actually played the game you'd know guilds would be hard stuck on bosses for months.
>>749057972>but dungeon quests give far more xp than regular quests anonYou only do them once
>>749057976>welcome to m+Except this content is piss easy and leveling content. Like comparing apples to oranges. Yes they're both fruit, but they're not the same.
>>749058108sorry you can't afford wow, or a pc to play itgood luck in life indian
>>749058156>Blizzard wantsWhat Blizzard wants and what they should do are two completely different things. You say they want people in the world, but then they have layers, which nullifies that. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>749058156I don't care what Blizzard's intent is, I care whether Blizzard's intent is retarded. We already had this exact setup but less punishing with Bronzebeard and CoA, and it was retarded and terrible.
>>749058169you only do every quest oncepoint?
>>749058221>calling it an Indian triggers it into responding in kindt.
>>749058163You arent stuck on a boss if you arent actually pulling itThey hide their pulling counts because it shows what a joke the content was
>>749058238>>749058256lol, keep crying faggot. it won't change
>>749058213vanilla niggers do not want hard content they want to mindlessly level to 60 theres ready a rested exp version for forever and smash their 1-3 button rotations and collect epics
>>749058238>>749058256>Blizzard: Hey we've acknowledged that the path we've been on for the past 20 years is retarded so we're doing it over from the start and making different decisions this time.>(You): YESSSSSS!!!!>...>(You): Wait what the fuck why is this not like retail?! WHAT ARE THEY DOING WHY IS IT DIFFERENT?! THIS ISN'T WHAT I'M USED TO!!!Just stay on retail lil gup.
>>749058280That it's not going to make people keep going back to the dungeon, which was the stated intent, you fucking imbecile.
>>749058385learn english
>>749058351>nigger gets raped>leave the billion dollar company alone LOL
>>749058351I accept your concession Microjeet
>>749030434You still have to do them to get gear retard. If you don't keep it up to date from level bracket to level bracket you'll suffer. It'll take you so long just to do one kill quest you'll just an hero.
>>749058434>>749058436keep crying about shit that will never changeit makes me laughmaybe next you can beg for dungeon finder
>>749058342cope harder retoilet, the data shows your game got easier over time. That's all there is to it.
>>749058381see>>749058436
>>749058381>Hey we've acknowledged that the path we've been on for the past 20 years is retarded so we're doing it over from the start and making different decisions this time.Then why are they making it like retail again?
>>749058489enjoy retail minus. also i accept your concession
>>749058351Then I'm not going to play.
>>749058381don't worry, the chuds who don't even like the game were never going to stick around anyway. let them bitch and cry
>>749058489>>749058563can you commit suicide now?
>>749058586>>749058585no one cares that you won't play, hell no one cares about you or your opinions. keep crying lol
>>749058442>forced to do the dungeons otherwise you won't do any damage because they nerfed gear scalinglmao yeah I LOVE having gameplay choices taken away from me! Let's railroad people into playing exactly the way Blizzard wants them despite everyone being completely fine with the way things were before!Now where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, RETAIL!
>>749058496Nope, pull counts have clearly gone up
>>749058641+10 izzat for defending blizzard
>>749058489>maybe next you can beg for dungeon finderIt has dungeon finder, it IS retail
I just don't want to raid log and have to raid on specific days 3-6 hours a week like its a job application. For what? What is this for? Gear to afk in stormwind with? Leveling is the most fun, but once you hit max level its either dogshit pvp in the same 3 bgs or its raid logging with some sweaty people that have shitty lives
>>749058638yeah dude they should commit suicide for enjoying a game lolcool projecting, when you kill yourself because wow forever isn't being made for you and there will never be another one, remember that no one gives a fuck.
>>749058686What the fuck are you talking about? There is no gear scaling. Its static level.
>>749058703Post evidence then
>>749058381>>Blizzard: Hey we've acknowledged that the path we've been on for the past 20 years is retarded so we're doing it over from the start and making different decisions this time.Oh well if blizzard said something it has to be true, Im glad the marketing team came up with that, hopefully they let all the cali devs know its time to change it up!
>there are so many browns in forever threads we're actually having arguments if vanilla was hard or not after 2019 classic proved it was all a jokeEven blizzard admitted the raids in forever will be piss easy because thats classic
>>749058787>There is no gear scaling.Yes there is
>>749058857Why would I want to play them then?
>>749058816If they lie then I just won't play any longer, it's simple. I'm curious why you aren't just playing retail when that's the design you already want, though. It's already there. It's very successful, right?
>>749058857and anybody who could afford the 15 buckaroos to play the game knows tons of guilds still struggled with the piss easy content, lmaowhy do you brownoids like to project so much?
>>749058902>I'm curious why you aren't just playing retail when that's the design you already want, thoughI don't want retail design, that's why I won't play Forever, because it's retail
>>749058950Is it? Then why are you crying that it's designed differently from retail and insisting that they're lying and will make it retail later?
>>749058924Nobody struggled with vanilla content, they struggled to get people to login because it was so ass nobody wanted to playThat's why they wont share the pull counts, because Liquid will chain pull a boss for 16 hours a day right now while in 2004 Nihilium would do 2 pulls and log off
>>749058367You're not wrong. I mean shit, there's a reason wow token, in game boosting, gold buying, and paid level boosts were so successful when they released during the original classic runs. Such a large portion of the "community" doesn't actually want to level or do anything difficult. Good thing is most of these idiots will be gone by the end of Feb due to boredom.
>>749059094weird larp dude
>>749059126Objectively proven by all vanilla content being 1 shot in classic btwReal bosses dont get 1 shot
>>749059207>yeah dood it's proven cuz i say so doodokay larper
>>749058881I don't think you know what gear scaling is. It means every time you level, the derived attributes you get from X amount of stat points decreases, forcing you to constantly need better gear for the same effect. Its not necessary in WoW forever because there is no stat bloat gear in the game with 36664757456 agility that'll push you to 100% crit at level 100 or whatever if it didn't scale.
>>749059231Its proven because the bosses got 1 shot in 2019 and died day 1Notice how retail bosses dont get 1 shot?
>>749058902bro i havent played since cata other then one playthough of classic in 2020 when it came out for the first time. I played this beta for 2 weeks and got my refund. WoW went to shit and never recovered because of the people working at blizzard.
>>749057697If your idea of WoW Forever/Classic+ is sitting farming dungeons/raids all day, you are not the target audience. Go to retail or go play the other classic versions. They're still there for a reason, for you. >>749057853Jesus the reading literacy of some of you people. "make it too easy" is not referring to the difficulty of the content. Its referring to the ease of getting to/time it takes to get to max level. Classic is not a hard game and forever probably wont be either. Its been solved. Posting how easy classic content is doesn't prove anything. Its like acting like a paraplegic being unable to walk is a big secret.
>>749059365keep larping dude
how does someone leveling in a dungeon personally affect you though?
>>749059454Theres no larp Pablo, this is just a factAPES 1 shot every classic boss day 1
Retailfags really are on suicide watch because of this game, huh? They know it's over for them, 20+ years of dailies and logging in for mount drops, gone like dust in the wind.
>>749059398>Posting how easy classic content is doesn't prove anything. Its like acting like a paraplegic being unable to walk is a big secret.Shitskins in this thread are currently insisting classic raiding is hard
>>749059504sorry you can't afford 15 a month larper
>>749059528nah I'm just going to play both, like most of my guild
>>749058857Its not Classic though, its a 2019 dadshitter revision. Baron Geddon and even Majordomo used to be a wall for guilds. Guild would completely fall part because they couldnt do Razorgore.
>>749059690>boss with fewer mechanics than a random lfr boss is a wallDo you hear yourself?The fact that dadshitters can easily clear classic says it all
>>749059528NO MY INVINCIBL-
>>749059690Which is why they should be trying to emulate the actual difficulty of actual Classic rather than making everything piss easy. The game was not easy back then and its only easy now because 2019 Classic was on the last patch of Vanilla with 20 years of raiding experience.
>>749059417My idea of WoW is that people get to do what they want, in the quantities they want. The fact that this makes you butthurt speaks so poorly of you.
>>749056606why would he play GW2 when Forever already does what he wants? Why dont you play retail that does what you want?
>>749059858Its only because of the patches. There were all kinds of nerfs to every boss in every raid in every patch to let more casual raid guilds catch up even way before TBC prepatch. I'm pretty sure most dungeons even got nerfed every patch in terms of HP and damage as well. By then niggas were farming Naxx with only twenty man groups. That's the Naxx classic players, not the old pissjugs and poopsocks release Naxx.
>>749059560Yeah I disagree with that. The only thing that made classic raiding "hard" was the time, preparation, and raid sizes. >TimeIf you have two groups of a raid in both retail and classic. And both groups had no issues completing the content (so they're not pushing). I think in general, classic Raids take 1-2 hours longer. AQ40, Naxx, etc.>Group SizesManaging 40 people takes work. Shit most of the wipes I've been through in classic vanilla are due to people not paying attention. They get bored during the fight, zone out, and stand in fire. >PrepConsumables, resists, etc. There's overall more prep required for the classic fights. The "difficulty" about classic was never the combat, boss mechanics, or strategies. The difficulty was in the administration work behind the raid. Getting 40 people to show up for 4-6 hours with proper buffs/consumables/resists/prep. Retail boss mechanics are overall more complex/in depth. Forever may change that, we will have to see. They're reworking a bunch of the raids.
>>749060184>PrepConsumables, resists, etc. There's overall more prep required for the classic fightsNo retail has more prepYou still need consumablesYou still need to be itemized well. Its much important when bosses have super tight damage checks
>>749060181>By then niggas were farming Naxx with only twenty man groupsNo they werent. Naxx remained a 2% raid all the way until WotLK. Fucking zoomers trying to rewrite history and make shit up.
>>749059961Can't believe I get to see this meme play out in real time, again.
>>749060184Were reaching a point where people are typing out responses that look exactly like something shat out by AI. Grim.
>>749060298Ahh. I haven't played a retail raid in 2-3 expansions. Last time I did, it wasn't that complicate. There was a clear, single path upward for equipment. There was no "ok I need to wear this equipment instead of this other one because it has different stats". And when I did do raids, like half the raid wasn't giving a shit about consumables and we still didn't have any issues. If they changed that recently, good
>>749059858It was easy in 2004It was easy in 2019Its easy in 2026
You think Blizzard will make balancing changes after release? a month doesn't seem long enough to fix the classes currently
>>749060597>You think Blizzard will make balancing changes after release?obviously
>>749060410>doesn't agree with something>its...its...its AI guys. I need to deflect, its AI!But no, its not AI. Go take your meds.
>>749060330Twenty good players with the gear was all it took after the nerfs to it. That's how you caught guildies up in gear. You dragged them through Naxx to roll on drops even though they could contribute basically nothing. That's what 'on farm' means retard. My point is that post nerf naxx is what classic players experienced. They got nerfed versions of all the raids, 30% off the top.
>>749058106well, it was 1000g when i played anniversary hardcore. never played actual anniversary. that's on me for assuming it'd be the same, my bad.
>>749060529There was never a point in the last decade where bosses didnt have relevant damage checks that you needed gear/consumes for
>>749060637Makes theorycrafting builds a pain in the ass
>>749060834good
Honestly, I want to like WoW, but I've seen through it. Beautiful world, awesome looking art style, but the gameplay fucking sucks. And if your game is not fun I will not play it. But hey that's probably a blessing in disguise. Now I don't have to give Blizzard $15 a month until the end of time.
>>749061242cool blogpost
>>749061357"noooo u cant heckin share ur opinion on the internet noooo it's not like human beings talk in-depth or anything"
>>749061242retoilet player
>>749061440What's there to talk about? You don't like it and won't play. Bye.
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>>749061461no i dont play wow at all. i just said it's boring
>>749050239i will kek if its found to be 1:1
