Is it still the best RPG of all time?
I've lost interest during the tutorial like three different timest. played BG1 for 200h
>>749036219it's not even the best Baldur's Gate
>>749036219Yes
>>749036408I really enjoy 1 more. Retried 2 recently, forgot how OP enemy mages are. Every fight is with status effects.
>>749041773>Every fight is with status effects. :((((((as it should be?this should be RPG standardI hate how combat has been simplified to a point where it's just wailing at the enemy and sometimes catching a damage spell.In fact, casting Death on player characters should be standard too, but no developer dares doing that shit.Except games like Might and Magic 7 - there some enemies just disintegrate you until you learn your lesson and cast grandmaster level protection against magic.There is also Knights of the Chalice where you constantly catch arrows of destroying humanoids.that's some good shitthat's how it should be
>>749043572Ah yes, I love me some tedium and busywork. If the game doesn't feel like a second job then it's not a real game.Retard
>>749036408I understand you, one of the most popular mods for the game is to skip the Chateau Irenicus?
>>749043572>that fem barbarian javelin throwerThat is literally one of the best builds BG3
>>749036219>bg1>cast a fireball>people die>nice>bg2>cast a fireball>erm xually they have fire resistance / magic resistance / magic globe spell / immunity to evocation / too high saving throws / way too much health>sorry chud you should use non-damaging spells and remember to cast 3 trillion buffs and debuffs firstI prefer BG 1.
>>749045780>"nooooooooo planning is soooo tedious, it makes it feel like work - i don't want well balanced encounters that make me think what I actually need to do - i wanna repeat the same simple actions again and again and again with no deviation!!!! that makes my brain feel good!">plays pic related>"Yeah, that's just the right amount of cerebral stimulation"some of you niggers are so fucking faggy it's un-fucking-believable
>>749036219NoThat's like people who never got over their teenage years still claiming FF7 is the best JRPG of all time.
>>749036219Yes. I really wish somebody would make Baldur's Gate 3.
I prefer bg1
>>749046712>what's dispel magic>what's 15 foot silenceyou know these spells aren't just in your spell book cause their pictures look nice, right?
>>749046948>Show me your honor>No, your other honor
>>749046712Durlags tower is widely regarded as BG1's best dungeon and constantly fistfucks you with stupid spell effects
>>749047021i dont like that i understand that reference
>>749046948>resist dispel magic because uh some shit no one cares aboutIt would be fine if combat encounters weren't so common IMO. At least let me have fun mowing down the plebians if you're going to throw these samey encounters at me for hours on end.>>749047085Only made it halfway through before getting bored, don't care who considers it the best I liked the BG2 mega dungeon more and I actually completed it.
>>749047085I don't get the praise for Durlag's Tower. BG has substantially better dungeons.
>>749036219>breadth/side contentyes, there's shittons to do and it's mostly good>main storyeh, there isn't much of one if you think about it.>visualsaged like milk sadly. Some games like morrowind or DA: Origins were ahead of their time visually, while others like BG2 were behind>combatmediocre. You can do a lot of things, but the resistance mechanics and enemy casters are annoying to compensate (also if you don't go caster then lol get fucked)>characters/NPCspretty interesting for the most part.so 2/5? I don't think that's enough to call it the best of all time
>>749046712You are fucked in BG2 if you don't have dispel magic ready to cast - and bunch of dispel magic scrolls as well, just in case.
>>749047145BLOOD AND THUNDER!
>>749047520It's okay I always have Keldorn kill his wife for cucking him.
>>749047613Nigga, are you having a stroke?
>>749047656I am in full control of my faculties, melinated individual.
>>749047785If you act like a nigga, then you're gonna get called a nigga. Just FYI.
>>749048058Were these the rules taught to you in the streets of Detroit, good man?
>>749047421>BG has substantially better dungeonlike what?BG1 is not exactly a game of great dungeon designone half is minesthe other is the ruins of ulcaster repeated three timesthe overworld and cities are fucking great and i don't mind the dungeons but i wouldn't consider them a high point of the game.reason why durlags tower is so well liked is probably that it plays like a DnD module and the individual levels have large puzzles with an overarching story.can't really think of any other dungeons like that in the gameicewind dale also has better dungeons than base BG1
>>749036219BG1 was better.
>>749036219for sure one of the best CRPGs, maybe #1... were you thinking about playing it?
>>749048265>the other is the ruins of ulcaster repeated three timesi'm not joking with this by the wayulcasters design is also used in firewine and on ice island
>>749048589So great when the AI pathfinding completely fucks itself trying to get anywhere, even better when EE's ""fix"" to this has them getting stuck into each other.
>>749047441>>visuals>aged like milk sadly3d niggers need to be scalped
>>749046712>being able to "save" against a massive fireballretarded shit, i can understand hold person or mind attacks but wtf
>>749046748>well balanced encounters>mage and his bitches because only mage matters
>>749046712Dumb ass, double or triple casting fireball still wipes everything.
>>749049021>doesn't bounty hunter solo the game with traps and backstabsweakdisappointing even
>>749046882why isn´t Viconia and the porn actress mentioned.
>>749036219More like most overrated RPG of all time.KOTOR beats it handily.
>>749048265>icewind dale also has better dungeons than base BG1well shame that it has only dungeons and literally nothing else going for it
>>749049735I remember there being a companion dialogue mod for it but I played it like 10 years ago so I don't remember whether or not it's good.
>>749049605Kotor is even more overrated than Baldur's Gate
>>749049735combat encounters are better and more varied as well, but yes all in all it's dungeon crawling autism, without going all the way like Temple of the Elemental Evil does.the most imaginative dungeon level in IWD is probably the one with the friendly priests turning on you and transforming into snake people (surprise, surprise). there should have been more like that. and also more alternative paths. and also more puzzles
>>749036219No but it's better than BG1
>>749049735I like Arundel and the setting. Icewind Dale is peak comfy
>>749049605kotor is okay but it's not goat material. kotor2 is, I'd say it's on equal footing with bg2 even though it's less polished
>>749049116>mfw using chain contengecy with all horrid wiltings
>>749050651True, I also liked the second Kotor a lot more despite it being a much rougher game
>>749046712>Be Inquisitor>Start every encounter by instantly stripping all effects from all enemies>Mage casts a fireball>Enemies dieSimple as that.
Definitely great game, much better than bg1, but I liked iwd more. I guess with tob and scs it has better depth in fights, but sadly not that much fights.
>>749049439Because you are a retarded non-playing secondary too stupid to realize those are BG1 portraits and Viconia's is right there you blind double nigger.
>>749050840>another man kills your enemiesThat's pretty gay.
>>749036219It's definitely the best CRPG of its time. Better than Fallout, PST, Arcanum, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, and I don't think much modern titles have been able to top it either.
>>749050840>inquisitor teaming with a mageyou failed at the simplest level
>>749046748>casting the same buffs and debuffs over and over again is stimming my cerebral
>>749036219still haven't found any game with better unique loot. The item upgrades came at just the right time and were sufficiently special.
>>749036219I can't think of a better one so yeah
>>749036219Yes.
>>749036219It should have been nothing more than a stepping stone for the greater RPGs to come after it. But as it is now it's probably still the best, sadly.
>>749051762>casting full stack when single spell is enoughno you don't need barkskin for basilisksbut you do need protection from petrificationno you don't need united strength for goulsbut you do need to cast free actionSee how this works?Are you also the type of person that just throws all kinda shit in a pot and calls it cooking?
>>749053028it killed the genre because it was garbage
>>749053160How so, fren?
>>749036219YesMostly because RtWP has been spurned over the years.
>>749053227ToB
>>749036219That's not Skies of Arcadia.
>>749036219It isn't even the best Baldur's Gate of all time.
>>749053630Exactly. BG2 is the best one
I recently did the a full playthrough where I didn't bother throwing all the buffs on every fight/rest, pretty much a protection from evil 10', maybe 1 chaotic command on Anomen, and haste/maybe 1 imporved haste. It's perfectly fine, sometimes someone got feared or confused but it's not a big deal. Of course if you want to throw an incendiary cloud out you'll want to make sure your protection from fire is up or have equipment but if you find excessive buffing annoying you don't have to. Not even on dragons or ToB, core rules unmoded is easy enough. I think I used spike trap once on the anti magic zone in watchers keep.
>>749053120I haven’t played BG2 in years but in Pathfinder casting the same buffs over and over again is in fact the meta. It’s tedious and no one likes it.
>>749036219The only other contender is FFV.
>>749053275Based
>>749053960well then you are playing pathfinder wrong as wellyou guys are acting like you've never seen a monster manual before.you don't need all those buffsyou just need to roughly know what's aheadthat's it.what kinda monster could be in a grave? hmmmm very tough, really jogs the noggin what kinda spells i might need there
>>749036219Second best. Divinity Original Sin 2 is better.
>>749036219It wasn't even the best d&d game on the infinity engine released in the year 2000.
>>749054418The Owlcat games absolutely require pre-buffing unless you're playing on like, casual or some shit. They're not 1:1 to the tabletop you imbecile.
>>749043572The fuck is that dwarf doing, why is he dressed like a bard but has a maxe and a dagger? Embarrassing. I'd leave him at the first tavern and recruit someone who isn't useless
>>749053745>you must gather your memes before posting forth
>>749053917core without mods is indeed easywith scs on higher difficulty levels recasting spells before any harder battle is basically mandatory if you are not savescummingyou can see how critical these buffs are when they get dispelled, party members immediately start dying and you can rebuff only at 1 spell per round per characterthis was similar in iwd and it was nicely visible at belhifet when you get dispelled before fight starts, which automatically made it hardest fight if you decided not to cheese it
>>749036219Among CRPGs, yes easily
>>749054418You don’t buff spam for monster types though, you do it to stack AC and to actually be able to hit enemies.
>>749054970with scs you can put the improved alacrity out of combat portion on though, much less of a hassle plus other QoL features. My post was just to say to all the people (who are probably just playing the base game) that complain about buffing that buffing isn't that big of a deal.
>>749036219>the best RPG of all timeThat's BG3.
>>749055287>gay simulator>best anything
>>749055364Why do you people respond to the shittiest baits of all time
>>749055364I remember having a gay black vampire in my party in BG2 that I tried to romance
>>749055269but you still have to put up 10+ different buffs up and if you get dispelled in fight, chances are ia is already down and you need cleric buffs tooI love the game, but constant prebuffing is not enjoyable
>>749055503i'm bored
>>749055364You're hallucinating, I wasn't saying anything about your life experience.>>749055503>baitAh yes, the classic "I don't agree = bait".While BG3 being the best RPG is somewhat debatable, it is definitely the best CRPG. Nothing even comes close.
>>749055724>You're hallucinating,no i'm not dumb shillgo have gay sex with the bear too
>>749055858That’s a woman
>>749055364if bg3 is a gay sim then 2 is a cuck sim
>>749055724It has more interactions with the environment than BG2.Here ends the list of things BG3 does better. No, it's not the best crpg because its not even the best crpg in its own saga.
>>749055535Are you talking about scs or the base game, I'm saying in the base game buffing isn't that big of a deal.In scs pre buffing is a big of deal but there are QoL features in scs and gibberling three that make it much simpler (pressing a couple buttons to throw all the buffs up, giving out of combat casting improved alacrity) It's still not actively fun to prebuff but it's not as big of hassle it would have been without these QoL features. Of course if you get dispelled mid fight in scs that's a big oh no but that's a moment of excitement not annoying. But that's why you use spell immunity abjuration, or impervious sanctity of mind/entropy shield, a lot of enemies use dispel round 1 but if they're loading a dispel midfight you should have already done some ruby rays to spell strip them so that you can hit them with a breach. A fighter that's had their spells striped is gonna die real quick but Korgan with enrage up should still last a round or 2 in combat barring fighting a dragon or ancient vampires. I digress.
>>749056046BG2 is a visual novel. BG3 is a fully simulated world.
>>749056046Better combat, better level design, better encounter design overall, better itemisation, better presentation, better evil options, more freedom (nearly everything is killable/skippable, save a few mandatory bosses), better reactivity thanks to the previous point, better music.
>>749056279BG2 also doesn’t have any gay sex scene, which in my opinion is homophobic and racist.
>>749036219Baldur's Gate 2 is the best normie CRPG of all time, but not the best CRPG.>introduced romance that became a mainstay in CRPGs>choices don't matter, you get railroaded anyway>game carried solely by the voice actor
>>749056675What’s the best CRPG of all time?
aerie cucks you with haerdalisjaheira cucks khalid with bhaalspawn cockviconia is viconiawtf, i thought you guys said that this game wasn't like owlcuck romances
>>749056490You control the buttons you press.
>>749056851People that play RPG games to romance sprites and portraits deserve to be cucked.
Anomen is probably the companion I've taken the most in bg 2, besides Jan Jansen.
>>749056894Exactly, theres no button in BG2 for gay sex scenes which makes it objectively worse than BG3.
>>749056765disco elysium
>>749056181reddit world
>>749049021People do yearly solo runs of this game anon, just because you don't know how to beat mages without magic doesn't mean it's impossible.
>>749057212Disco elysium is a literal visual novel
>>749056279>Better combatBoth are dndslop but at least bg2 is based on a decent edition of it, which makes the combat significantly better than the simplified 5e>better encounter design overallNot really, there's just less encounters overall meaning they stand out a bit more as unique. But 99% of fights are not interesting.>better itemisationNot really, its fucking broken if anything.>better presentationThe game from 2026 has better graphics, no fucking shit. IMAGINE if it failed to compete.>better evil optionsNeither game has a particularly nuanced evil options, but at least in bg2 you can make a full party and more that fits your character>more freedom (nearly everything is killable/skippableThat's what I said, the world is more interactable, that's the one thing I will concede.>better reactivityTo the interactions, NOT to the choices>better musicYou are deranged and insane. In comparison the villains suck, the companions suck A LOT when compared to bg2, the dialogue and roleplaying options are VERY limited, the side quests are completely unremarkable, the combat is piss easy (this is more important than having 3 more unique enemy types), the system is shallow. What's more the party you travel with interacts with each other A LOT more.
>>749056851>this game wasn't like owlcuck romancesIt's notThey are very much better written and more interesting.
>>749036219OP here, used the wrong imagesorry about that
>>749057434>simplified 5eExplain how it is simplified without appealing to buff spam or build bloat
>>749057434>Both are dndslop but at least bg2 is based on a decent edition of it, which makes the combat significantly better than the simplified 5eStopped reading there. "Edition bad" is such a disingenuous """argument""" that I know everything past that is just more nonsense.BG3 has the best combat gameplay of any CRPG, comparable only to D:OS2 - another Larian game.
>>749057614>build bloat>answer 2+2=? but DO NOT mention 4I don't need to add anything else, you have already disqualified your position by admitting 5e is already lacking in something.But I'll add one more thing: being able to dispel the enemy protection using my magic (bg2 magic) is a lot more fun than just throwing shit at each other (bg3 magic)Mind you I do NOT think bg3 is a terrible game with no value, just that its clearly lacking in depth, difficulty (its significantly easier, I played tactician on launch and never encountered any trouble), and a bunch of other things.It's enjoyable, just not as good as bg2.
>>749057685>comparable only to D:OS2The game with the worst armor system ever devised by mankind? YeahNot a good hill to die on.>Edition badI could go on a 20 post dissertation about every single mechanic of bg3 but its hardly worth the effort. Take it or leave it.
>>749043572I can respect this. I just dont save scum so its such a cunt. Not that bad if you know whats coming of course but if you are blind than its just a ctrl Q - Ctrl L simulator.To the Anon so hard-core they dont save scum and still prefer this, I kneel.
>>749057836>appeals to having 1000 useless build options and dispelling You lost
>>749057993First it's "edition bad", now it's "armor bad".You're a walking talking caricature of an average /vrpg/ sperg lmao
>>749036219>Is it still the best RPG of all time?Never was. No RTWP game can be considered as the best.
>>749053997>FFVMiddle is garbage and Im tired of pretending its not. Masterpiece till you lose Galuf though.
>>749058026>2+2?>4>YOU LOSTOk? I don't see the point in continuing this since you have made clear receiving the correct answer to your question is not enough, and is in fact downright disqualifying to you.I could also mention how the concentration system makes half of the spells in the game fucking useless because why the fuck would I use my concentration for anything but the best spells. Again, we could be here all day, but since you are not interested in discussing the combat of bg3, I won't bore you more than I already have.
>>749043572>I hate how combat has been simplifiedSpamming the same buffs and debuffs in the same order for every fight isn't complexity, it rote tedium. You don't like actual mechanical complexity.
>>749058084>first its 2+2=4, now its 3+3=6>You are a walking caricature of someone who is correct, lmaoTrue!
>>749058197Concentration is to shit on buff spam trannies
>>749046712>retard gets dabbed on for relying purely on magicMelee chads stay winning
>>749056279All true, except for the music. I just gound it had next to no replay value. BG3 was 8/10 one and done for me I forgot about 2 weeks latter. I was so suprised it caused 3 years of constant threads.
where all the new lord of murders at
>>749058182It understands that each boss should have a unique gimmick, something no other game in the series does.
>>749047085lol get cheesed
>>749059952That's a lot more patience then I had when doing that section.I just run in with electric resistance and trigger all the lightning bolts and hope the people in the back don't get imploded.
>>749059952Pretty sure that if you tried that off screen bs in scs you'd get bum rushed. That chessboard always turns into a glorious clusterfuck desu, I'm lucky to get out of it without multiple deaths.
>>749060207it still works in scs, offscreening in general still works even with mages throwing up all their buffs automatically. But that's why it's call cheese .
FuckThis thread reminded me I forgot to finish Durlag's tower when I played bg1I got tired and finished the game
>>749059952I have never once done the chessboard legitimately.
>>749036219There are three things that stand out to me about BG2:Nalia>A holier than thou progressive that is made the butt of the joke repeatedly for having zero self awareness. There are no characters like this in games the last fifteen years or so.The three romances >Viconia being trafficked and hunted, Aerie being enslaved and her wings being infected, Jaheira being a huge bitch because she just went through a terrible loss, each one of these hits pretty hard but I haven't seen anything that hits similarly and feels realistic.Anomen>Despite being a force for good he's a pompous fool who can't see the forest for the trees and basically just a huge faggot.Each of those are the characters. I enjoy the multi layered magic protections and better AI in mods and the sense of humor but each of those don't stand out as much to me. I miss writing that really pulls me in. BG3 had a couple good moments but nothing quite got to the highest highs of BG2. BG1 just feels underdeveloped by comparison to 2 and even 3, I'm not sure why people including notable devs like Tim Cain prefer 1.
>>749060578>I'm not sure why people including notable devs like Tim Cain prefer 1It's comfierBy any sane objective metric, it's worse than 2 and 3, but there is something that is simply special about the simple adventure that it offers. Hearing the tavern music for the first time, the tavern keeper telling you its cleaner than an elven arse. There's something to that, I think people call it "soul".
>>749058343>Pure melee in BG2Good luck. You'll need it.
>>749036219BG3 is the best RPG of all time.1 is complete ass, 2 is ok.
I like playing bards. Like playing Fighter/Mage, but less tryhard.
>>749053227Not him, but it neutered exploration from BG1, had more simple quest and progression design than something older like Fallout, pushed the idea that cRPGs need to be number bloat instead of having interactive worlds, and it introduced and popularized the cancer that is dating sim elements into RPGs.
