Why did this game's central theme trigger gamers so hard? Revenge IS bad; you have to learn to forgive and move on. That's not a particularly controversial message, and we've known this for a long time.>“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."Matthew 5:43>"Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord."Romans 12:19
>>749042280Do you really think any of the mean-spirited people here have their hearts open to receive the teachings of Christ?"Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil."
Christ cuck bullshit was invented as cope for peasants who had no power.
>>749042280>That's not a particularly controversial message, and we've known this for a long time.Exactly the point of the criticism that's going over your head because the only fiction you consume is videogames.
>>749042973>Exactly the point of the criticism Not really. Most people were furious that Ellie didn’t kill Abby
>>749042280The Last of Us Part Two is a Zionist game, Christ was not involved in the direction. Even Jesus knew about the Synagogue of Satan, and had righteous anger for their betrayal of his faith. Renounce the Talmud or you will not survive the Rapture.
>>749042280(((They))) want to brainwash you that revenge is bad so you don't resist.
>>749042280Because I thought the execution of it was shitty?
>>749042280Dumb message 99% of those who played wont go on a revenge rampage using firearms
>>749042280kill kikes
>>749042280LMAO you expect these fucking coombrained /pol/acks to grasp basic shit?>>749043487Not the dude, but Jesus didn't forsake the jews and he called their temples the house of his father.>>749043562Revenge IS bad, all it does is go around in circles. Defending yourself is fine, seeking revenge is not.
>>749043487>The Last of Us Part Two is a Zionist gameI don’t think so. The WLF (IDF) are portrayed very negatively, and both Ellie and Abby righteously kill their soldiers
>>749043638I should really get around to watching what the story is about on YouTube.
>>749042280As a Christian (eastern Orthodox), i have to say the game does a horrible job at explaining why revenge is wrong.Ellies revenge arc is constantly punished and shown as evil and bad by the developers and writers.Meanwhile Abby is shown as objectively in the right who does nothing wrong, and is portrayed as justified for killing Joel, because Joel killed her father.Now all that is well and good until you realize that throughout the whole game you kill HUNDREDS of enemies, just to reach the final cutscene where the game just says>look, i know you just slaughtered through entire armies of innocents who had nothing to do with it.>but killing abby... that's too far and bogus duuude.What the actual fuck? If you're gonna portray Ellie as an revenge seeking monster, then go all out.Don't jerk the playerbase throughout the whole game just to pull the rug at the last second to save one troons life because >it's cinematic duuude.You could tell the developers didn't have the courage to go all out and half assed everything >let's make a revenge sad story... BUT DON'T TAKE THE COMBAT AWAY, TOO RISKY FOR SALES>let's make Ellie seek revenge... BUT MAKE HER GOOD LAST SEC CUZ EVERYONE LOVES HER>let's make Abby good... by seeking revenge which Ellie is also seeking but Abby is 100% justified in it because she just is bigot chud incel >:(The last of us 2 was a joke story wise, sue me. The plot is all over the place and gives more mixed messages than women going through a breakup.
How is getting even with evil people who wronged you “bad?” That doesnt even sound like some hippie bullshit or Christian rhetoric, even those groups believe that evil in some form should be punished or at the very least fought…
We've had this thread about 50 times
>>749043893I think if you can find a way to play it, the game itself is worth it. Even if you don't like the story, only an idiot would pretend the gameplay wasn't damn good for a third person shooter.
>>749044003for 6 years
>>749043953>Matthew 5:38-42>“38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
>>749042280They basically make you want revenge by virtue of caring about the characters from the first game, then teach you the other player character wanted revenge just as much for the same reasons (love.)So who actually deserves revenge?By the time you’ve played both characters you’re supposed to understand their points of view, feel invested in them, know they are better than cultists or slavers, and how either character “winning” their feud doesn’t actually solve anything.In forgiving Abby, Ellie finds forgiveness for Joel. Lev gets a chance at life. They had to put in the work to get to that crossroads. They’re otherwise worse off for the entire journey.Its cool. Not a lecture, just a story about what love does to people.
>>749044147Matthew 5:44>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
>>749043940>Meanwhile Abby is shown as objectively in the right who does nothing wrong, and is portrayed as justified for killing Joel, because Joel killed her father.Absolutely abysmal bait lmao She gets no satisfaction out of killing Joel, she can’t sleep afterwards from the guilt, and her revenge quest gets all her friends and the man she loves killed
>>749044193Hey, stop that. You're not allowed to take that interpretation on! You're only supposed to hate the game and talk about jews!
Revengesisters... our response?
>>749044017I think when the game shuts up and lets itself be a game then it can be quite good, but the pacing is almost unforgivably bogged down by walk-and-talk dialogue sections and find the code puzzles.
>>749044147Jesus overturned tables of hasidic mongrels dealing in his church and is going to come down and slay dragons and fight demons when the world ends. He also does not abide by evil.
Sex with ellie
>>749042280>Revenge le bad>Made by a jew who wants to bomb palestinians to bits
>>749042280It’s especially sad because had Abby and Ellie met when they were young, in all likelihood they would have become lovers
>>749042280Because killing hundreds and not killing the main villain is retarded.
The Bible is a very preachy book. Everyone is a sinner except for this guy
>>749044553Canonically everyone Ellie killed was killed in self defense on her way to kill Abby. Except Nora
>>749044354Chillet a cute. Kill all relaxausarus.
>>749044193Abby chose revenge and savagely tortured a man to death right after he saved her life for the crime of stopping his kid from getting her brain cut open. She gets a hopeful ending leaving behind her shitty militant group to find the Fireflies with Lev. Ellie saved the person who ruined her life. In the end she got maimed, traumatized, and lost every positive relationship she had left.
>>749044193That's what they're TRYING to do, but that's not actually supported by the gameplay.
>>749044652Relax, guy
>>749042280>revenge bad>doesnt even get revengehow can i know that its bad if I dont see the consequences of it? if anything her life is worse at the end for not getting revenge
oh look it's this thread again
>kills 500 people getting to the Revenge>Revenge bad though, sorry
>>749042449why did god get revenge on the devil then you larping retard
>>749044262It's absolutely funny to me that the person I thought they should pick to play Elle (I came to that based on her character and acting in Justified) was who they picked to play Abby. Takes me back to thinking Topher Grace would make a great Peter Parker, only for them to cast Tobey, then hire Topher as Venom.>>749044378He overturned tables because they turned his father's house into a marketplace. It didn't stop being his father's house. You ARE right that he does not abide by evil, but as a Christian, the book of revelations is the only one I cannot get with. I'd rather they chuck it. The obsession with Christ coming back is part of what is ruining the world. Evangelical Rightoids Christians support Israel so hard, they believe it is a necessary precursor to the second coming, so they are actively making the world worse to achieve it, instead of actually following the teachings.
>>749042280>“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”>― Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral AutobiographyBecause this is how the retards see it, they're wholly and totally evil. They should be able to hit you, torment you, revenge themselves upon you, but you must bear it and suffer.
You can talk to God.
>>749042280Faggot
>>749044864>It's absolutely funny to me that the person I thought they should pick to play Elle (I came to that based on her character and acting in Justified) was who they picked to play AbbyShe was Druckmanns original pick for Ellie back in 2014 but she aged out
>>749042280Revenge is the only correct form of justice.
>>749045119>aged outI definitely disagree. She was still a perfect fit, but whatever.
>>749044492The game was actually inspired by that >The formulation for Ellie’s turn toward darkness can be traced back to the year 2000. Then in his early 20s, Druckmann witnessed news footage of a crowd lynching two Israeli soldiers in the West Bank. “And then they cheered afterward,” Druckmann, who grew up in Israel, recalls. “It was the cheering that was really chilling to me. … In my mind, I thought, ‘Oh, man, if I could just push a button and kill all these people that committed this horrible act, I would make them feel the same pain that they inflicted on these people.’">The feeling faded, though. Eventually, he looked back and felt “gross and guilty” for his intense feelings. With “The Last of Us Part II,” he wanted to explore that emotional tumult on a didactic level.https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/video-games/news/the-last-of-us-part-2-ellie-evolution/
>>749043745>Revenge IS badNo it is not. The only way to make the world a better place is by removing anyone who wronged me.
>>749042280Abby is an impulsive vengeful murderer who will likely come back to kill Ellie again in the future after she recovers and learns just how many of her friends Ellie killed. Killing Abby isn't revenge, it's justice.
>>749045295But you're a piece of shit, so the world would obviously not be better.
>>749044147Why does Jesus teach his followers to be spineless cowards?
>>749044262>She gets no satisfaction out of killing JoelDude, it's shown in 4k right in front of Ellie with a golf stick.>it gets all her friends killedYeah, that's the consequences of your actions for you
Batman is vengeance. Batman is the night. Leon Belmont will kill you and the night
>>749045474Choosing not to seek vengeance because you legitimately don't see it as improving the world is not cowardice. Cowardice isn't a choice, it is a response to fear.
>>749045520>Dude, it's shown in 4k right in front of Ellie with a golf stick.Yes, we see her hollow expression directly afterwards
>>749042280>>"Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord."This almost never happens irl. People who hurt others and do much evil, yet walk free, almost always live good, comfortable lives, surrounded by loved ones.
>>749045694>Cowardice isn't a choice, it is a response to fear.Wut. Cowardice is a choice always pussy.
>>749045796>Yes, we see her hollow expression directly afterwards>BUT SHE DIDN'T ENJOY IT OK, IT DIDN'T GIVE HER THE FEELGOODS TO DO IT. THAT MAKES HOLDING HER ACCOUNTABLE FOR MURDER WRONG.I'd line you up in front of a firing squad with Abby all day everyday for that opinion.
>>749042280>EllieDoesn't end up committing the revenge at the end, let's Abby go, still loses everything at the end>AbbyDoes get her revenge, doesn't lose everything at the end, arguably ends up at a better position with Lev and finding the Fireflies remnants.
>>749045897Who are you talking about?
Picrel is the game's creator btw
>>749046532You know who.
>>749042280Revenge is good.
>>749043240>triggered so hard>they were furiousLook at how you have to use such charged language. Why do all you "people" talk like this?You're a disingenuous newfag, so I'll enlighten you.You don't remember when this game leaked, it was immediately met with an abundance of memes laughing at how bad it was.Very few people were fuming pissed. It was a laughing stock.Because at the end of the day, it's a toy. Most people, believe it or not, do understand that.
>>749042280But murdering 1000s of people on your way through the game isn't bad?
>>749042280>Why did this game's central theme trigger gamers so hard?it's not the message of revenge being bad, i's the way it's delivered, you have a moral compass to pursuit such powerful message yet you give it in a videogame where you let players kill people left and right in a world where you have not much of a choicethe right way to do would have been letting the players decide at the end, not that it would have fixed the game's morality but at least it's a videogame and would have left the player with a choice, for sure most of them would have just kill abby but still
Everyone knows that moralfags think revenge is bad.The problem is making a game about that is fucking boring.
These games forgot that they were supposed to be zombie games instead of preachy pretentious walk and talking sims. There really was no point in putting them in the zombie apocalypse setting. 98% of the time was human on human drama BS.
>>749047175>Why do all you "people" talk like this?You know why, leftists cannot ever be honest because their goals are cartoonishly evil, so they always have to be dishonest in some way, and one of the most common ways is constantly projecting their emotional irrationality onto you. It's why those freaks are so obsessed with asserting they're "normal", because they want to designate you as not normal to persecute you, which after all their talk of muh tolerance is quite ironic I'll admit.One of the most important redpills people need to swallow early in life is that you can't discuss with everyone, not everyone cares about building a better world through shared objective truth, some people are just evil and batshit crazy and must be put down.
The writer does not understand how normal people think.
>>749042280It was mean spirited and based on a flimsy premise that incorrectly assumed the worst in the player
>le revenge is le bad>kills people in the worst way imaginable
>>749042280>>749045897Seem like silly arguments. Emperors and Kings saw their rule and order as extensions of god's will. Justice and revenge was for a king and his men to take. For a video game like the last of us, society has completely fallen apart. The idea that war and revenge would just disappear is silly. Maybe you could make an argument purely on a survival basis that "revenge is bad" but that isn't really morality based, that's just detatched and cold survival calculations.
You "played" and formed opinions on the game so you could confirm a bias against Jews and shitpost on a basket weaving forum.I never played it because the first one was a boring corridor shooter with extremely fancy and repetitive character animations and I had no reason to repeat that experience since I actually like and videogames and not interactive experiences. We are not the same.
>>749048914we're not going to get something as violent as tlou2 for a while and that makes me sad
>>749049289I feel both.
>>749048914the druck would have you believe that's what character development is
>>749045694Sure, but "do not resist an evil person" is straight up telling people to not defend themselves. Spineless.
The game can't say "Revenge Bad" when both Abby and Ellie definitely killed hundreds of innocent people in their path for revenge, and Abby even gets hers, just to decide at the end>Yeah, I guess this WON'T really solve anythingThe devs can't defend the fact that, had they given the players the option to choose to kill or spare Abby, the overwhelming amount of players would have killed her. At that point, it changes nothing to the ending. Ellie already abandoned her family and was abandoned in turn. Might as well give her the peace that that piece of shit Abby won't hurt anyone else ever again.
Druckmane had a co-writer for Part II and she convinced him of letting Abby live in the end.I don't think he thought that one through. Or maybe they had long discussions about it, but the game fails to make a case for this in the ending. Bitch should've been killed, at the least provided it as an option. My headcanon ending is that she doesn't interact with the two and just leaves them there hanging. Bye, cunts.
>>749043562Revenge and self defense are 2 different things.Self defense is preserving your life.Revenge is preserving your honor>honor killings are le based.Imagine getting yourself killed and your daughters brutally raped because your dads 10th half cousin got into a debt because of alcoholismSounds retarded? It's how people in the past functioned and why the past was such a trashheap to live in
>>7490426320/10 bait.Christianity directly led to a 180 day work year.This tradition goes on to this day with winter (Christmas holidays) and easter holidays.Retards out here really cheering the destruction of their free time so they can work a 9-5 for their corporate secular/atheistic overlords all year round.Suit yourself, the amish are fucking their wives day and night while you sit in your 1 room apartment and masturbate.Funny how that works amirite?
>>749051393>It's how people in the past functioned and why the past was such a trashheap to live in.Nah, the medieval times were dope as fuck, but yeah, honor killings were shit
>>749046546Bella Ramsey is a devout Christian https://youtu.be/7AusOQq0FlM
Revenge is bad is not the message of the game at all are you people retarded
>>749046845Bro you can't even ask the barista for a refund without a panic attack
>>749042280I agree that holding onto hatred is a bad thing, revenge does nothing, and forgiveness is the greatest measure of strength. However, people make fun of TLOU2 and other stories like it because the concept is executed poorly. Ellie kills HUNDREDS of people in her pursuit to kill Abby, yet she chickens out on Abby itself. It's hypocritical and is ridiculous pop culture morality (i.e. those hundreds of guys didn't matter because they were just faceless mooks, while Abby is a main character so her life has more value than theirs)
>>749046845Based.
Religion is a cope.
>>749044529Abby mogs me so hard
>>749042280Can you explain why something is 'bad' WITHOUT quoting a fairytale book? Don't be disingenuous, you KNOW (((their))) scriptures were bullshit.
>>749042280revenge isn't bad you fucking retard, go play death stranding 1 and 2. somebody else's forgiveness cost Sam his entire chance at fatherhood and he wasn't even the one who made the choice.
>>749042280you made this post already.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/4rllUxjymD7v8S8xJCUepg/Same filename, same text, same faggot.
>>749042280kys druckman
>>749045207>>The feeling faded, though. Eventually, he looked back and felt “gross and guilty” for his intense feelingslefty jews are the most fucking pathetic, disgusting creatures on earth. Jesus.At least normal leftists are being rhetorical or trying to inflict it on others, but going "I don't have a right to protest if browns kill me and parade my corpse around" Genuinely how do you even get to that point without brain damage?
>>749053807A Malfoid thread died for this
>>749042280>revenge bad>increases her body count by the millions
>>749054521It’s weird that you are criticizing him for being a good person
If abby was a cute girl people wouldn’t mind sparing her. But there is no forgiveness for being ugly
>>749051494Every social norm and work behavior in the modern day was created by Christians in a Christian nation, lol>b-but jewsOkay, that isn't secular or atheist either though
>>749042280you posted this at me yesterday and I didn't respond, if I knew you were so desperate for attention that you'd make a thread with this post I would've given you that attention to avoid this shitty ass thread from being made. I apologize to you and everyone else my inaction may have affected
It’s more their reasoning for Ellie sparing her that is retarded. They said “if Ellie killed Abby she wouldn’t have any humanity left”, implying the hundreds of npcs she killed meant nothing, and only Abby was a real person. which is ironic because the fjrefly doctor was just an npc before they decided to make him a real person implying all the npcs Ellie killed were real people as well, Abby would just be a drop in the bucket and sparing her makes no difference
>>749042280Revenge is a dish best served at room temperature. It is a natural and fully acceptable thing to want retribution for a crime. The reason they are so hyped up is because the are faggots lying about "revenge" because they want to rule the world with faggotry/evil. If it doesn't make sense like I just explained (retribution being righteous and not bad at all) then get away from them, they are not the people they say they are.
>>749043852they're shitty but they're still given a degree of humanity via Abbey and her friends, while the insane island cultists are basically painted exclusively as insane island cultists who you also kill in droves. the only humanization the cultists get is through people seeking to leave the cult
>>749055306Abby and her friends desert the WLF because it’s so shitty
>gamers just can’t appreciate good storytelling, they don’t have the media literacy, this story is above them >game gets made into prestige hbo show>everyone hates it and the show flops So confirmed, the only people who liked that shit we’re faggot trannies who liked there were faggot trannies in the game
>>749055306>the insane island cultists are basically painted exclusively as insane island cultistsDid you forget Lev and Yara exist? The message of the story is that the only way to deal with death cults like Israel and Palestine is to leave them. A very liberal Zionist view
>>749055513Abby leaves the wlf because she befriended a faggot tranny girl (and we were supposed to find it charming)
>>749055539the main criticism of the part 2 season of the show was that it deviated from the source material anon
>>749044262>gets no satisfactionWhat do you mean? She killed the dude like a dog. Dragged it out. Tormented Ellie over it. His death was slow, deliberate, and with the purpose of causing as much mayhem.She enjoyed it.
in the original game the player was supposed to deliberately stop tapping x to drown Abby because they assumed everyone would feel sorry for her and not want to kill her but all the play testers thought there was a bug that wouldn’t allow them to kill her, because everyone wanted her dead. They failed to make the player sympathize so they just made it a cutscene
>>749055001"Good but weak" people are worthless burdens. They will be killed and exploited by those with more volition than them, while they comfort themself with rhetoric. This is what they deserve.There are true evil elements on earth, arabs being one of them. To refuse this is willful ignorance. Patting yourself on the back for "forgiving" them when they never even pretended they would stop hurting you is Evil. It will get you and others hurt.In this example, they STILL cheer when jews get shot on the street. You just normalized forgiving it like a beaten wife coming back for seconds, and he's pretending he's moral for it it's fucking gross.I actually think israelis are very based for holding the line like they do. Call me a shill or whatever but they're an ideal example of survival and actualization through sheer will, skill and effort.
>>749055660The main criticism was Ellie being ugly as fuck. Just like the main criticizism for the game was Abby being ugly as fuck. People don’t like ugly bitches, they need to stop trying to make that a thing
>>749055879it's honestly so funny that /v/ is now the drooling masses that need to be titillated at all times while the normalfag audience can have articulated criticisms about a thing's writing.
>>749055726>She enjoyed it.Nothing about her expression in the moment or her behavior afterwards indicates this.It’s clear she thought she would enjoy it. She wanted to enjoy it. But she didn’t.
don't caredidn't readEllie sex
>>749055617>Did you forget Lev and Yara exist? no because if you were able to read two sentences before posting you'd see I very much mentioned them as people seeking to leave, they were in the out group of the insane island cultists. they are only humanized after they decide to leave, everyone still in the cult are insane murder cultists, while the WLF are allowed some level of human characterization even through whatshisname despite him being a piece of shit. like the cultists have a big hulk enemy type man they're fuckin cartoon evil bad guys you need to kill bazillions of. the message is that cycles of violence are bad and only lead to endless conflict and death, but it's still very much steeped in Israeli favoritism by making the Palestinian stand in insane cultists invading lands that are not their own
>>749056030She actually makes a really good point
>>749055982uggo freak
>>749056204>the WLF are allowed some level of human characterizationThis is really dumb. Members of the IDF also joke around with each other and display normal human behavior just like the WLF do. But they are still monsters. The WLF torture prisoners, murder children and try to commit genocide. It’s stated outright that the Seraphites were radicalized because the WLF killed their prophet, who was a moderate. Getting the allegory here, anon?
>>749055879>The main criticism was Ellie being ugly as fuckyou are brown lol
>>749044613>you can kill as many people as you like, as long as it's not done in revenge Yeah, that's fucking retarded.
>>749056509>nigger can’t read Color me shocked
>>749044613The doctor was threatening Joel with a knife and was going to kill Ellie so Joel was double justified in killing him and didn’t deserve to be killed, going by your own words
>>749042280what about setting a precedent? If you let people get away with fucking with you then you're courting future problems
>>749056252>But theres genuienely no biological basis for race.
>stealth through the firefly hospital and only kill who the game makes you kill, because I want to immerse myself and Joel soloing an entire army feels unrealistic and immersion breaking >”joel slaughtered every man woman and child and raped them while skinning them, he deserved to die!”Yeah, part 2 didn’t land for me
>>749054005>twice everThat's nothing. You gotta wait until he's posted it at least like five times before you can really complain.
>>749055982Normie fags also hate part 2 as shown by the flop of season 2, only culture war leftists trannies like that game because of its optics
>>749056736I don’t think Joel deserved to be killed for that. I think he deserved to be killed because he murdered people as a raider, by his own admission. He doesn’t seem particularly shocked so he clearly knew that was gonna come back on him >Get this over with
>>749057089>I think he deserved to be killed because of offscreen thing he did in the past that was vaguely alluded to with a throwaway line GREAT STORYTELLING!!! TELL DONT SHOW, THATS LIKE THE FIRST RULE OF WRITING!!!
>>749056863missing out on using all your guns and the new AR in the final mission of the game just to crouchwalk through the entire thing, is somewhat missing the point.
>>749042280>>749042449It's a video game, it's not about educating people on morality you fucking retardsthe reason it was poorly received is because it's not at all satisfying for anyone actually invested in the story
>>749057263Oh I’m sorry I thought it was supposed to be LE GROUNDED not fucking Rambo
>>749042280i always thought the moral of TLoU was "dont have hot kids because way too many people wanna fuck kids"revenge is healthy and our desire for it strengthens the tribe
>>749051494This doesn't contradict the fact that forgiveness for transgressions is a cope for those without an ability to exact vengeance (without a substantial loss, e.g. imprisonment)
Abby is just pixels, not a real human, annoying pixels with no redeeming qualities or memorable persona. If the game made her relatable and human I’m sure more people would be willing to digest the revenge is bad thing they were going for, but as it stands I wanted to see her face smashed in for wasting my time
>>749058371>the game doesn’t RESPOOOOOCT MY TIME
>>749056001Dunno bro. She slooooowly beating him to death makes me think otherwise. I judge only actions, and hers was one of relish.
>>749056252Stop marginalizing the objective differences between races. Diversity is our strength
>>749042280The major issue is all the people she kills before she finally reaches her target and then suddenly has a change of heart at the very last secondAlso dogshit writing but that's all of TLOU
>>749058575>i like having my time wasted
>>749042280People were making fun of this played out shit for decades before tlou2 dropped.
>>749042280Why do the games need to teach me something?
>>749042280>Jews starting to get called out all across the world>sudden forgiveness propaganda everywhereLolLmao
>>749059178Yeah it’s literally the “hero spares the villain because otherwise they’ll be just like them, ignoring the pile of henchman bodies in the background” trope you see in a thousand other things. some people give this game a pass for being cliche and tropey because the graphics are good or whatever so anything that happens is le gritty and realistic even if it is derivative hacky shite
It insists upon itself
>>749059263>sudden I’m not sure I’d call 1500 years of Christianity being the dominant religion in the West “sudden,” anon
>>749042280>quotes the new testament in defense of people who would see it destroyedTLOU2 is a revenge story and Abby is the protagonist and the "good guy" in Druckmann's vision. The quote you're referencing is addressed to people like Druckmann who want infinite dead white men as revenge for the temple or the holocaust or the diaspora or the whatever
>lectured and moralized at by a guy who loves Israel and thinks genocide is justified because their 3000 year old book told them the land was theirs Evil game made by an evil man
>>749042280I think people were more bothered by the spitefulness that seeps into practically every nook and cranny of that game.
>>749058003Erm? Why would you seek vengeance in this day and age? If the guy gets 20 years in prison (and is guaranteed to get assraped daily) then that's just solving the issue for you.But hey, let's assume you live in medieval times and you DO get vengeance in some cool private duel in the forest, you kill your enemy fair and square, and emerge victorious.What now? It didn't bring shit back, and what's even worse you almost got yourself killed in the process. Remember, there was a real chance the faggot could've killed YOU instead, and probably he would've fucked your corpse afterwards for good measure.Revenge isn't cool, it's the epitome of brownoid logic. It's a waste of time, resources, and life, for something you fundamentally cannot retake whatsoever no matter how much you try.Seems like it's revenge that's the cope huh?Also, boy. You are sweeter than grandmas cookies. Unless you are an ex felon with a fucking body count I'm not taking a single letter from your words seriously whatsoever.
>>749057295Ah yes, giving your neighbor a scythe because his broke down is communism.Communism was built around the idea of an industrial society dumbass, how the fuck are the workers supposed to seize the means of production (factories) when factories don't even exist yet?My mom is such a commie dude, bitch gave me milk from her breast when i was born, must be some Soviet spy
>>749061664Druckmann is a deeply vengeful person full of hate and resentment (like all Jews). The moral of the game isn’t revenge is bad. Its revenge is bad if you’re a certain race/religion, but ok if you’re chosen
>>749057284Yeah but you must agree that the game does try to lecture you though. It's not much but it's definitely there, this is a problem for all movie wanna be vidya not just this one
>>749061390>>749061946Are you aware Jesus was a Jew? He was called rabbi.
>>749062049If I remember my lore correctly the Jews rejected him and killed him because he opened gods covenant to goys and ruined their secret exclusive club
>>749062049>Jesus was a jewOh so you're quoting the bible because he was called a rabbi? (Rabbi was a synonym for teacher).Cool, let's quote the bible as you didJesus isn't jewish because Jesus is God. Why would God identify as a an nationality when He literally said "my kingdom is not of this earth"Also Jesus spoke Aramaic. Pic related is an aramean person. Looks familiar doesn't it?What's even funnier is that Bethlehem back then spoke Aramaic, and being the place of Jesus's birth, you can connect 2 and 2 together.
>>749062185He himself said he wasn’t there to reform the religion or create a new one.That’s why the Bible includes the Old Testament, God is the Jewish God, and Christian values are an extension of Jewish values via the Ten Commandments.
>>749062324Nah I’m pretty sure the Jews at the time were corrupt as fuck and strayed from the path and god didn’t love them anymore, earning them the name “synagogue of Satan” so Jesus made a new covenant with a new chosen people (Goys), and that’s why Jews hate Jesus
>>749062294>Jesus isn't jewish because Jesus is GodYes. Hence his title, “King of the Jews”
>>749062324You just contradicted yourself, Christians strictly follow the new testament, which jews utterly and completely reject.What's even funny is that judaism even shot itself in the foot with the talmud, because the talmud came AFTER Jesus's birth.The first few pages of the talmud (I'm not making this shit up, google it) literally state how Jesus is boiling in excrement.If the jews were really the Hebrews of old, then they wouldn't feel the need to write the talmud.Thing is, the modern jews aren't the same as ancient Hebrews, because turns out the guys with Polish first names, German last names, who's entire genetic make up is Russian, has nothing to do with the middle east.
>>749062419>Jesus made a new covenant with a new chosen people (Goys)He excluded his own apostles from the covenant? They were all Jews.
>>749062584pretty sure they were Christians bro
>>749062582>Christians strictly follow the New Testamentholy larp lmao
>>749062432Wasn't that title used to mock him on the cross lol?
>>749042280>GAME THEME>revenge bad! if you seek revenge, you will be miserable!>GAME END>Ellie (crude dyke) chooses not to enact her vengeance>She goes home and has a miserable lifeBravo Cuckmann
>>749062624>no argument As expected.You know, it's extremely funny how insulting Jesus is never considered anti semitism.Weird how that works, almost as if the semites rejected him?Noooo
>>749062582>modern jews aren't the same as ancient Hebrews, because turns out the guys with Polish first names, German last names, who's entire genetic make up is Russian, has nothing to do with the middle east.All modern Jews have Levantine DNA, which is why they don’t look European I think most of the seethe they get from White people is because White people gave up their own tribal religions and adopted the Jews’ tribal religion instead
>>749042280Why I'd it always a zionist Jew who is justifying blowing babies with missiles in parallel with lecturing me about morality? I wonder if these people have any self awareness
>>749062750>ashkenazi >levant dnalol, that nigga is Eastern European
>>749062750>some guy who looks Italian.>name is Goldblum (Gold flower in German)What's even funnier is that there were a fuck ton of jews in northern Italy during the Holy Roman Empire, which was a German led empire.Way to prove my point for me, appreciate it homie
>>749062872Druckmann supports innocent Palestinians, along with innocent Israelis.
>>749042280I'll kindly remind you you can find a bible passage that will support just about any fucking thing you want, which is one of several reasons why bible quotes are not and will not ever be an argument.
>>749062936Here’s your European bro
>>749058003Exactly. The Christ cult made it up because the Jews were ornery bastards and the Romans were going to genocide the hell out of them if they didn't settle down (which they did eventually, based Hadrian).
>>749042449This. Leftism is the light coming straight from God but people have darkness (not being left) in their hearts and they want to shield a toxic, evil male from being murdered as punishment for his evil deeds.
The basic issue is that Druckmann is a liberal Zionist. So he believes that violent conflicts only exist when people can’t forgive past transgressions and move forward. It’s a deeply naive view that a lot of Israelis have; it ignores history and the role of the oppressor in continuing the conflict.
>>749063061Who is this khazarian gypsy
>>749063061I think you are under the impression that all Europeans are blonde blue eyed vitamin D deficiency phenotyped.Buddy, i got newsflash for youGo to Sicily, and to Crete, and that woman would be considered snow white.The thing about the Hebrews, is that the original Hebrews are now arab speaking Palestinians who never left their homeland The jewish diaspora on the other hand mixed to hell and back with whatever population hosted them.Look at the language of Yiddish, it's literally just German with some jewish words.If a whole fucking language arose from this interbreeding, then what do you think happened to their ethnicity?>they still have Levantine DNASo? So do Americans have native American and Irish DNA a lot of the time, it doesn't make them either. Literally everyone on planet earth had African DNA, doesn't make all of us black does it?
>>749062582This. Jews are white
>>749063413They are by definition not.
>>749063491Theyre literally European, anon. Eastern European to be precise
>>749063246You know, if an religion can somehow predict the future, maybe it's time to convert. Your words, not mine.And besides, how come these based Romans gave the Hebrews privileges? Such as trade, finance, port tax cuts, and banking?They did all of this shit while slaughtering blonde Germans and red haired celts like wild animals by the way."Based hadrian"Mind you, they also treated brown Egyptians better than white northern Europeans.Go on, defend the Romans buddy
>>749063491By your logic, Achmed, who speaks Arabic and doesn't know what Germans even are, is GermanBecause he was born in Germany.By the way, i had a rat named Pip who was born in an aquarium because we couldn't afford an cageThat makes Pip a fish
>>749042280>Why did this game's central theme trigger gamers so hard?Because it's already a difficult theme to impart on the audience, it is controversial, and tlou2 does a horrible job with it.
>>749042280Revenge is good when it is carried out within reason. Discouraging it is a good way to create a culture that emboldens and encourages bad behavior because anyone who tries to punish it or seek justice will be seen as the bad guy instead. So you can do whatever you want without worry of consequences. Not sure why anyone would wanna live in a world like that unless they are the aforementioned bad guy. Or if they're a retard who can't think about the downstream implications of promoting that world view that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy and like an enlightened, special little cookie.
Abby got her revenge, so she should be seen as irredeemably evil. If God can forgive her for brutally murdering a man, then God can also forgive Ellie for killing Abby.Sorry, you cant make exceptions. Either both are okay, or neither.
>>749063939I both agree and disagree with your postI agree that something should be done within reason but i disagree with the term "revenge" usedWe should differentiate "Justice" with "Revenge" because it's very easy to mix up or for them to be mistaken for one another.Justice is the quality of being fair, right, and impartial, that means, you are looking at someone's actions and deeds without judging them for who they are or where they came from.Revenge can be right, but it is not fair, and it is not impartial, it is fundamentally targeting someone (or a group) specifically because of a personal agenda or grudge.With that out of the way, i think justice should aim to recover whatever damage has been done to an extent, surprisingly enough Russia does a good job with this with their prison system, where prisoners work their ass off and all their earnings are sent to the family member/s of whoever they murdered (this is only reserved for murder cases in Russia)I think that's a fair system because even though someone got killed and they'll sadly never return, it is still providing the best of both worlds, where the family gets their revenge without taking the life of someone else in return, hence avoiding the "eye for an eye, the world goes blind" mentality
>>749063669I agree with you, but what the fuck is that family which can afford a whole ass aquarium but can't afford a cage?>Sorry Jake, we couldn't afford that PS5, so we just bought you this Lamborghini instead :(I envy you, truly i do.
>>749063939>Discouraging it is a good way to create a culture that emboldens and encourages bad behavior because anyone who tries to punish it or seek justice will be seen as the bad guy instead.The goal is to discourage vigilant justice and let the state pursue justice instead. Which, if you look at the history of familial blood vendettas in the Balkans, is a good thing.
>>749042280>Revenge IS badThere is a difference between justice and revenge but hollywood doesn't seem to know this and thinks your attackers should be 'forgiven' and face no penance.Do not forget, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent
>>749064668>There is a difference between justice and revengeWell, what is it?
>>749064503Nigga can't afford Mcdonalds so he goes to his personal chef to make him a burger
Honestly the game should've let you choose wether to kill Abby at the end or not and then have both lead into the same ambiguous ending without clear moralisation in order to have the player think on their choice and be unsure if they made the right choice
>>749064771He probably got kicked out of his apartment for not paying rent and went to cry in his mansion
>>74906349192 percent of Jews identify as Whitehttps://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/
>>749064762Wether your actions are being done to punish a crime or in retribution to retribution.
>>749063273that is blasphemy, god doesn't punish people.
>>749042280No Revenge was the best album they made retard.
>>749065209That doesn't make them White.
>>749065498That seems very subjective to me And there is no law code after the apocalypse, so no crimes, so in this case there can be no justice
>>749065209Shroedingers whites. They are white when they need to blend in when they need to lay down the law on gentiles they become non whites. Their "whiteness" is entirely ad hoc.https://www.jpost.com/opinion/jews-are-not-white-race-and-identity-in-israel-and-the-us-opinion-685368
>>749065794it's a very subjective matter unfortunately, all interpersonal matters are, which is why we created laws to substitute for our decision making. Justice doesn't mean only legal justice, there's also moral injustice which will only go away when all humans abandon their humanity and become uncaring animals
>>749042280>Why did this game's central theme trigger gamers so hard?Becuase zombies are played out.The central theme of the last of us is a zombie apocalypse and I'll never ever give it the time of day.
>>749064373I agree in some sense but I don't agree with your definitions of justice and revenge.Justice is at it's core about righting wrongs and it is a form of revenge that is fair and correct, if applied within reason like I said. And enacting justice is not possible without judging the guilty person based on their actions. That's what they are judged on, not for who they are or where they came from so I don't understand why you felt the need to even say that.Not sure how revenge can be right but not fair nor impartial when I already specified it's good when carried out within reason, meaning with consideration for fairness. If someone beat your mother for fun and broke her arms, you are well within your right to do the same to him and maybe break one of his legs as well. Killing the person though, or harming their mother would be going too far. And revenge can be about a personal agenda or grudge, but personal agendas and grudges can be righteous and justified and overlap with justice, they're not inherently wrong.I do agree on the example of the Russians' conception of justice with the guilty being forced to labor in prison and the earnings going straight to the family of the victim. But this should match with the severity of crime committed. It would be appropriate punishment for manslaughter (killings done unintentionally or due to neglect) and maybe some cases of murder, stuff like that. But it would be an inappropriately insufficient punishment for someone who for example was involved in long term abuse, cruelty and mistreatment towards people and who may be characterized as evil or deeply malicious.>>749064582Sure, I don't support vigilantism, it can be dangerous. But sometimes it's either that or the guilty party walking away consequence free. But There are also retards who are opposed to revenge at a basic, fundamental level. They take a cucked kind of stance at the idea of someone daring to think it's okay to harm someone who has harmed you.
>>749042280people with hate in their heart were unable to appreciate this game, about releasing hate from your heart.
>>749066000>Sure, I don't support vigilantism, it can be dangerous. But sometimes it's either that or the guilty party walking away consequence free. But There are also retards who are opposed to revenge at a basic, fundamental level. They take a cucked kind of stance at the idea of someone daring to think it's okay to harm someone who has harmed you.I think point for point debating the concept is entirely irrelevant given the fact that the message is being spread by a literal zionist jew. The people who regularly engage in millennia long tit for tat ethnic feuds are going to lecture us on why we shouldn't seek revenge(I wonder why?sarc)
>>749066000>But sometimes it's either that or the guilty party walking away consequence freeThe thing is, individuals have very different conceptions of “guilty.” There are right now hundreds of thousands of people in this country who would like to see the Cornell Seven hang, or be castrated etc. Despite the fact that these guys probably didnt do anything.If everyone felt the way you do, then - should these men walk free - they would be suitable targets for revenge.
>>749066141>The people who regularly engage in millennia long tit for tat ethnic feudsDruckmann isn’t one of them. I doubt he’d be donating to Palestinian causes if he was. >>749063005 and he expressed guilt over desiring revenge >>749045207
>>749066102>character who releases hate from their heart has shitty miserable ending >character who gave into their hate and sadistic desires gets happy ending Not really
>>749056252She's correct in a way. You can of course measure genetic variation between individuals and populations, but there's always a question of how much granularity you should analyze these differences with. Are there 5 clusters? 6? 7? More? Less? It's very easy to say some colors are yellow and others are green, but often you'll find hues where your categorization and another's will disagree. Fuck niggers.
>>749066441ellie had it all and went back, that was the issue. The final conflict ending was a nice thing to do, but it was not for her.Sorry you're too stoopid to get that.
>>749042280>Why did this game's central theme trigger gamers so hard?Because anyone who wanted a sequel to The Last of Us has no media literacy
You can’t justifiably seek revenge on someone who has atoned for the wrong they have committed
>>749066274I've heard some things about it but I don't know enough to actually say what would be the right thing. Based on what I know though, there were some things consented to and some that weren't consented to. It started out consensual then it got out of hand, I don't know. I'd leave it up to the courts to figure that out and for the truth to emerge through proper judicial processes. But I don't know how anyone can call for hangings or castrations without even having the full picture of what happened.The idea of vigilantism being justified in some cases could be in situations where a crime has occurred that you know about but for which no proof exists. Imagine a person knows with 100% certainty someone who has harmed a child but because of circumstances and them covering their tracks well enough and through other dirty tricks they may employ, the truth may never be found. What should that individual do in that case who is the only person who knows the truth but cannot prove it enough for justice to come through the proper channels? I would say they'd be justified in taking the law into their own hands. They may be punished as well in return and face jail time, I would say that's also okay.Or as another hypothetical, being in a third world country where there's no rule of law. Or whatever courts that exist are incompetent at their job. What choice do people have in that situation except vigilantism/revenge?
>>749066801>What should that individual do in that case who is the only person who knows the truth but cannot prove it enough for justice to come through the proper channels?Me personally, I would say “nothing,” since I simply don’t trust people to get it right with no evidence to prove it. And the “harmed a child” example is telling, because historically that was a very common way for people to smear their enemies and get them killed by mob justice. Even today we have retarded pedo hunters who attack innocent people. Unless you credibly believe someone is going to harm a child imminently then I see no justification for vigilantism. >Or as another hypothetical, being in a third world country where there's no rule of law. Or whatever courts that exist are incompetent at their job. What choice do people have in that situation except vigilantism/revenge?It sucks but they just have to enact justice reform through political means. That actually happened in El Salvador.
>>749066519Abby had it all and went back, and was rewarded with sadistic revenge and a happy ending The games message is revenge pays off if you are chosen, but if you are not chosen then just let people fuck you over and don’t pursue retribution
>>749042449If Saul can change, anyone can.
>>749042280>is a better 'revenge bad' game than tlou2
Video games aren't real. Why am I obligated to align with your morals through my interaction with a video game?Regardless, Fuckman's magnum opus of pretentious far-left bullshit makes no sense, like most pretentious far-left nonsense. Every person Ellie killed on her way to get to Abby was an act of vengeance. Killing the non-Abby NPCs was as much an expression of revenge as would be killing her primary target should she not have decided to walk away. Even behind moments of self-defense, revenge is the background motive holding it all together. But this undeniable dimension, which totally undermines the naive platitudes of the narrative, is never explored or even noticed. The game floats upon a popular leftist ideology - "Our enemies are people who's story I have never heard before." It's a crazy and childishly false nonsense of a platitude. If Fuckman wasn't such a coawrdly, leftist moron, he might have been brave enough to give the player a free choice of what to do with Abby. The game is retarded, shallow, "Progressive" bullshit. And Abby is ugly.
>>749042280I wonder if it's just one guy cycling all these bait threads that get guaranteed replies. He's probably going to post the Steven Ogg "I like books" thread again next, assuming there's not already one up.
Killing literally every named person related to the person whose revenge you sought and not finishing them off is probably meant to come off as vindictive but they couldn't even do that.
>>749042280Hippy shit. Revenge is masculine.
