>fantasy world>picks human fighterWhy are you so lame
>>749049461>93% used a custom avatarI'm lame? I was one of the 7%. Did you use an Origin?
>>749049461Because it's Gaming Time?
>>749049904you're trolling or retarded
>>749049461that clearly says the most popular is elf paladin, not human fighter
>>749049461If i could be whatever i wanted, i would be myself.
>>749050035>>749049904this is the new how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast
>>749049461>male origins>Durge>Astarion>Galeand>Wyll>Durge is #1, Astarion #2, Gale #3 and Wyll is not picked by anyone AGAINlmao, how players and Larian themselves hate only black guy you'd think it was KKK game
>>749049461>wow look how quirky and unique I amFag
>>749050784rather be quirky than be a boring sheep
I've played BG3 probably five times through on my own and with friends and nearly every time I went Dragonborn. The exception was trying out Karlach to see if there was any extra fun story stuff for playing a premade.
>>749049461UMMMMM THERE'S A THING CALLLED... ISEKAI? EVER HEARD OF IT?
>>749051003doing things differently for the sake of difference makes you just as much of a sheep
>>749050035I don't know why people would play Paladin when Paladins heavily restrict how you role play.
>>749051178npc cope
>>749051235>npcthanks for proving my point
>>749049461in modern D&D, human fighter is the oddball choice. the human fighter of 5E is tiefling bard. you strike me as a tiefling bard kind of guy (histrionic, probably trans or female)
>>749051003But you ARE boring: there are legions of low-IQ narcissistic fags like you, all of them trying so hard to be different in th3 exact same way.You're boring AND a fag - you're a redditor.
>>749050467Westerns Devs just need to give up on the fact that the Black party member / romance interest is NEVER going to be popular unless everyone else is also black.
>>749049461If i could be anyone i would be myself.
>>749051325>generic human self inserter calling others low iq redditorsLMFAO
>>749051178>>749051325go back to the sharty, sistas
>>749051232You can just pay a roleplaying tax. It's fine.
>>749051293>Bard is a common choiceI can't believe it...
>>749051293do bards even do anything besides play music to buff teammates
>what's this? the demon looking thing is treated just like a human? what's this? the demon looking thing acts just like a human? what's this? the demon looking thing has the same psychology as a modern day liberal? what's this? it's just a human in drag?weird, whatever could make you pick a human. it's really strange...
>>749051625Bard was always lame and gay. Now that lame gays have become so common amongst the D&D playerbase, it's no surprise that Bard surged in popularity.As for Tiefling, I probably don't have to explain why that's so popular.>>749051696Dilate and moderate subreddits. It's important work
>>749051728what
>>749051696They deal damage with slurs
>>749049461>Human Fighters are so lame good thing I'm not like them>Picks Half-Elf Paladin/Barbarian
>>749051345https://youtube.com/watch?v=bCVY11c2qdM
>>749051728>Most versatile class>LameHuh?
>>749049461Being boring is a core part of white culture. Whites define themselves as boring in comparison to other races>A-Asians might be smarter than us, but we're stronger and manlier!!!>B-blacks might be stronger and manlier than us, but we're smarter!!!Whites see being boring and unremarkable as a point of pride, which is why they take pride in being an unremarkable white human warrior
>>749051696They can do pretty much anything.
>>749051232The rolplaying constraints of paladin aren't that big of a deal, most people like being good guys anyways, and the benefits of being a charisma class largely outweigh any of the paladin constraints. You can do more playing a Paladin than you can as a Druid, Ranger, or Monk.And indeed. Look where all those classes are. Note the hard drop after Wizard when you get into the MAD non-charisma classes. The real mystery is Bard not being higher.
>>749051834>frontliner but worse>full caster but worse>literally all half-and-half builds are terribleHuh?inb4 "I said versatile, not useful"
>>749051232this might shock you anon but most normal people never run into any issues with playing paladin since most normal people arent psychotic murderhobos
>>749051753https://youtube.com/watch?v=8HqLysSnnlQ
Bards are OP
>>749051696Yeah. It's a pretty fleshed out class these days. I think the idea of bard being a support gimp has tainted it though, even though that really is no longer the case. But Cleric, who has a similar stigma, being the least played would reinforce this hypothesis. People don't want to play support in their own story, and even the perception of support is enough to sour it
>>749049461Human fighter is only boring if you're a boring person
>>749052031>HuhI see I hurt your feelings.
>>749051232Paladin, and the different oaths, actually have tons of unique dialogue options. I think more than any other class, and more than some of the less involved ones combined.
>>749049461Because I am Brock Thunderfuck
playing anything but human means you hate yourself, and most likely you are a white guilt cuck
>>749052031>Most played class is a half-casterHrmmmm
>>749052161>can't even enjoy a videogame without being obsessed with politicsyou're gonna be a male suicide statistic
>>749052031>Lame is when low DPSHow about you go back, WoWtranny?
>>749052161NoI modded in lizardfolk and played lizardfolk because I like to bite a motherfucker
>>749052205Paladins are TECHNICALLY quarter-casters, like e-knights. They're also lame, but D&Dfags aren't ready for that redpill.
>>749049461Love this game
>>749052260>I admit the class is useless. I still have fun playing it.FTFY. I accept your concession, wannabe theater kid.
>Dragonborn Rogue Dark UrgeJust different enough without going full freak or meme magic
I played a cleric which means i am very original and unique
>>749052356U mad.
>>749051989>The real mystery is Bard not being higher.Bard is a lot more mechanically intense looking even though you can just melee it up because BG3 is full of broken magic item combos
Because humans are better than any fantasy race ever.They are the most versatile and are not cast into a mold like other races. Their depth is infinite and they can do whatever they want.As a human, I know humans the best and what they're capable of. If you pick an Orc, you'll always be just that, an orc and whatever pre-determined lore their race and culture include. Human however, can be whatever, and that's what it's all about in a fantasy RPG.
>>749051912Being stronger doesn't matter when you're too dumb to advance as a species. Being smarter doesn't matter when you're too bugbrained to be truly creative and innovative. That's why whites conquered the world before self-immolating due to jewish subversion and suicidal empathy
>>749049461I did that when I was young because I wanted to fuck/ERP girls and I didn't want to have to watch/imagine myself as something inhuman do it.
>>749052031this, bards just sucki groan every time i see one because i know theyre going to be fucking useless outside of rolling charisma to fuck the bartenders
>>749052450you make it sound like the jews are simply a superior race
>>749052450>WE WUZ KANGS BUT THEZE DAM JUICE
>>749050467I cant stand Astarionhow he is so popular is beyond me. his VA is also terrible
>>749051989The thing is that in a CRPG you are playing the main character hero and most people will pick classes that they feel personify that the best. Bards are designated side kicks like Druids and Monks are wise mentors. Nice to have but not MC material for most people
>>749051232most people arent rp'ingthey just pick what they would pick, which is gay
>>749052441you know this only works because you're viewing it as a humanit's literally impossible to give yourself a non human perspective
>>749049461>everything but blaster caster is the least usedWhen can we go back when magic is the strongest for a reason? It's lame playing martial classes and casters cosplaying as martial classes. It's all so samey now.
>>749049461>>749049904I don't like futzing around too much with character generation and such, so I used the default Dark Urge with his sorcerer preset. I liked it.
>>749052635Woman and trannies love him.
>>749052441Unironic slave race for their Nephilim masters. This is Canon btw.
>not picking human barbarian
>>749052441>Because humans are better than any fantasy race ever.HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>>749049461I always go undead then lizard then human as a last resort.
>Good thing I'm a based Warlock and not a lame fighter>ELDRITCH BLAST >ELDRITCH BLAST >ELDRITCH BLAST >ELDRITCH BLAST >ELDRITCH BLAST
>>749052706>2 (two) (1+1) (200/200) (89-913(x-98)+82) damage
>>749052657I kept lizard Durge but swapped to Rogue. I feel it suited the Bhaal murder cult thing a lot better. I did good guy things for the major story beats like helping at the grove but acted like a psycho and lied, killed, and stole for most minor things. Needed to make sure I got that sweet Bhaalish Armor.
>>749049461>myriad of good rpgs to play>plays bg3 insteadwhy are you so lame
>>749052878name 3>a b-bloo bloo i uhhh i cant becasue well uhhh theyre so good and i gotta gatekeepyeah that's what i thought
>>749049461I don't care for all the gimmick races or classes. I don't want to play their filthy "origin" characters or a retard "dark urge" (there is only ONE interaction as that, that is somewhat good, and that's kicking that squirrel, but only because it was unexpected)I play the standard Fighter, Wizard, Rogue or Cleric. Always human. And I replace every pre-fab NPC with a hirelings. Each of them human and so that my party consists of Fighter, Wizard, Rogue and Cleric. It's fucking retarded I have to use mods to do this.
>>749052831for damage I just throw a hammer, it deals like 30 damage without expending any resources
>>749052878Why would I play a good rpg when there's a Great one I could play?
>>749052907baldur's gate 1baldur's gate 2skyrim
I think the story is very boring unless you play as dark urge
>>749050467doesn't help that he is a shitty character>flamboyant homo dancing alone>whiny demon bargainer
>>749052104No, they're boring mechanically and story-wise. Only self-insertfags enjoy them. A paladin is better because they're fighters with a goal grander than themselves.
>>749053001>skyrim
>>749052878BG3 is the best RPG made in the last 50 years and it's not even close, it's the magnum opus of the genre.
>>749052907Despite its dated graphics and its primitive mechanics, the Geneforge series is more compelling and more open ended and branching than BG3. There is also the best of the Ultima series. And that's just listing off some of the true unc games
>>749053015Indeed. Tavs are only for when you use the game as a DnD module with friends and you are more focused on goofing off and Chaos.
>>749052031When I played modded solasta, bard was by far the most broken class in the game>inspire self>get to attack twice very early>access to practically every magic school after a certain level>the bard I played caused fear on surrounding enemies and recovered inspiration on killsBy far the worst d&d class I've played is a basic thief, you literally have to play a sniper or else the class just feels like horseshit
>>749049461When elves are given the proper respect they deserve, they are the most-picked race. Which makes humanfags SEETHE.
>>749053001Those games aren't multiplayer and look bad. One thing BG3 does well is everything in its power to make you forget it's a top-down game, because RPGs are not top-down. TES is just janky simulators, they're not fun outside of seeing the game fall apart.
>>749053110kys shill
>>749053015its definitely missing something. all the bhaal stuff in the third act basically means nothing to you without it.
>>749051696>>749052031>>749052513Bard is the second strongest class in 5e. What are you smoking?
>>749053249True, which is why it sucks because elves these days don't have any regality, nobility or finesse, they are just quirkchunguses like tieflings and act like teenage girls even if they're 50-200+ years old.Ironically TES High Elves are the closest thing to a proper elf we have in a modern videogame, and even they are ruined by a retarded conquest mindset
>>749049461>Why are you so lameHey, it's not my fault that Larian decided to give humans double carry load capacity +1 skillpoint in a skill of your choice. Also prof with light armor, shields and glaives/spears(does not matter for fighters but matters for other classes that don't use armors/shields). Also unlike other RPGs fighters in BG3 have a lot more to do, even if you go with the worst path that is Champion. You still get the bonus skills that are specific to the type of the weapon you carry and also all the actions like pushing, throwing, using item/enemy as improvised weapons. And if you make a magic knight or a battlemaster you get bonus skills/spells tied to those ontop of everything else. Playing a human fighter is way more interesting and way more involved in BG3 compared to pretty much every other D&D computer RPG out there.
>>749053110The pace of the game is slow. The controls are handicapped by the chaining system. There is a sluggishness in the control and navigation of the UI and its elements. It is not a bad game, it is good - DESPITE all of its horrendous flaws - but it ain't the best rpg even in the past 20 years. As much as I loathe Owlcat and their retarded niggergames, the Pathfinder games controls better and have much better pace. Now, if Larian would let themselves be inspired by the good things owlcat did (fluid in-out-on-demand shift between turnbased and rtwp with a single keypress; simple, effective and precise control of one or all characters; easy management and positioning for tactical purposes) ...or they really don't need to look to owlcat, they just have to ditch the chaining system and revert to the drag-selection style that has always worked.
>>749053516>The controls are handicapped by the chaining systemOh it's you
>>749053690What are you, a console fag or an actual cripple? No functional human being likes the chaining system
>>749053249Elves, when done properly:>noble>tall>graceful>ageless beautiful>minds that can think hundreds of years ahead>mysterious>most advanced culture> in tune with nature (in different ways for different types of elves)>have conflicts that span thousands of years
>>749049461>human fighters seething at paladin elf chadsmy first character was a dwarf war cleric, kind of wild to see how unpopular my favorite class is overall.
>>749053989Elves are best when they don't have conflictsthey're supposed to be so wise and reclusive that they'd only ever be caught in a fight if they had to defend themselves or their territoryMeanwhile popular anime elves like Frieren are just retarded>shorter than a teen boy despite hundreds of years of age>acts silly and childish despite hundreds of years of age>can't take care of herself despite hundreds of years of age>interested in the most pointless shit imaginable, things like magic she should have (by right) seen already or better yet invented herself due to being one of the greatest mages in the world>somehow has NO savings and always running without funds or survival smarts
>>749051834Oh, bard is very strong in 5e. By my book it's the strongest class in 5e, particularly in BG3. I never claimed otherwise. Just that it's lame. Lame and gay. And it attracts lame gays.Strong =/= not lame.I apologize for the delay mon frere, I was at Best Buy getting gaped by the incompetent shithead customer service. I would say my experience was gay and lame, so, probably bard players
>>749054709she did invent the demon killing magic her and Fern use I'm pretty sure, Frieren just likes collecting magic so even though she likely could invent some of the more useless spells she has accumulated over the years, it's the pursuit of the past magic that informs her hyperfocus on collecting tomes. Like practically she doesn't really need to invent much more than what Fern already uses, shields and blasts seem more than good enough for most things combat wise, so all other magic is usually just silly little things.
>>749053852Literally no one but you cares. It's a non issue.
>>749055047nta but I care a little bit, I think the BG1/2 and Pathfinder RTS drag boxes is a way better solution. never understand why Larian didn't just use that too honestly
>>749054709this is your reminder that the correct elves are both shorter and slimmer than humans
>>749055047You're wrong, people are just focusing on muh gay shit, which is irrelevant.>>749055183It is a compromise that "functions" for mouse/keyboard and controller, so that they didn't have to develop two different control schemes. As a result it kind of suck on both
>>749051232It was suggested early on that it was the best/strongest starting class.
>>749055336I dunno I think halo wars did it pretty alright with like, the circle that would group of units when you swept across an area with it active.
>>749049461>Larian threw a hissy fit that 85% pf their playerbase made white human male fightersStay mad.
>>749055443the only people who are mad are those who are still bringing up an early access update post poking fun at how boring people can be with their character creation
Fuck fighter. I'm going ninja!
>>749053516BG3 advances the genre forward, it's light years ahead of the competition.The only thing I genuinely dislike about the controls is that the camera automatically centering on the character you select, instead of staying in place and only doing that if you double click or press the key twice.
>>749052441good 'ol jack of trades race that never will be as good as any other race at something.>gains faster xp>gains faster reputationwow, these are just handicaps and not actually abilities, kek
The more "pros" I see people say about humans, the more I think humanfags just want to be "oppressed" by others to be the underdogs for some reason.
>>749055674Alright, I'll humor you, In what ways does it push the genre forward?
>>749056182nta but the immersive sim-isms and problem solving sandbox is quite robust compared to the older BGs and pathfinders where you basically have a flat map and you do combat on for the most part. I know the later Ultimas did this first, but that kind of system driven stuff fell by the wayside for awhile after. Environmental design is also very good, lots of terrain to take advantage of, both enemy and player wise. first time I did the underdark boat fight I lost because the dwarf just pushed my entire party into the water.
>>749056182bear sex
>>749049461>using indomitable human spirit and a sword to defeat all sorts of magical bullshithumanmale fighter
>>749055674>>749056182To not come off as completely dishonest, I will give you that they have set a standard in two ways, which is respectable; stability/optimization and complexity in world interaction. Those are very good
>>749055554>shorter than a nailmanlytearsninja lol
>>749056130one pro for the race that really can't be contested is that in the BG1/2 ruleset only humans could dual class, other races got multiclassing which worked differently. Dual Classing is one of the cooler things in CRPGs and while a bit obtuse and hard to play around when you finally pick up your second class the gains you could get from playing the system is quite satisfying
>>749056395Those are all very fair and true
>>749056430>>using indomitable human spirit and a sword to defeat all sorts of magical bullshit>the "indomitable" human spirit when it gets zapped by magic
>>749055309they're not the correct elves because they're basically just normal humans with pointy earsElves need to be racially distinct, humanlike but also obviously not.Games like Divinity OS2 did them very well>literal tree people that gain skills and memories from what they eat>anatomy is humanoid but their muscle structure is completely different>lanky
>>749056548kek
>>749052441You got the tiefling players upset with this one but I agree.
>>749051232>I don't know why people would role play something that forces them to role play
>>749052441>>749056704No one actually cares if you play human male fighter, nigga. You whine like lil' bitches.
>>749053989the last one does not follow
>>749056548>enchanted greatsword with elemental bonus damage>high initiative>momentum>jump-exploit to get extra movement>2 attacks>drink haste potion>2 extra attacksWhile constant skill/magic-useage of every single damn enemy every single turn is annoying as shit, a fighter can quickly trim down the numbers and withstand the abuse until next turn where the rest fall.
>>749056839Is that what the game looks like if you don't play on ultra?
>>749056864>indomitable human spirit with a sword actually needs magical swords and potions interesting
>>749056923Not really, but it does speed shit up. The game is just so fucking slow otherwise
>>749056864>needing all that magical shit I don't think the indomitable human spirit is all that if it needs outside help.
>>749056910I oinly have a 6750xt
>>749052706>critical miss he missed throwing the guy to the ground???
>>749057012Read >>749056997It's for convenience because the game's combat is slow
>>749056548>gets zapped by magic100% magic interruption
Never played this game before, is it a good or bad idea to do a first playthrough as Durge? Seems funny to me, but idk if it ruins anything or spoils the experience for a first timer.
>>749049461I mean, I didn't do that personally, but you get 3 party members, plus the guys in your camp, so it's not that weird to make a "boring" "self-insert" main character and fill your party out with different classes.
>no path of the beast barbarian>cant claw people to death without turning into a fucking animalHate this game
>>749057197Even if you could, you'd be given the voice of a wimp. Which probably explains why the half-orc is ranked so low
>>749049461don't know why they even bother with origin characters when the vast majority of their players are using custom avatarsimagine all that time and money wasted on origins spent on the custom options/special dialogue, or make act 3 better, or make Karlach's ending better, literally anything besides playing as origin characters
>>749057124naw you're good Durge is basically the actual main character, the custom character without the dark urge origin is basically a nothing character. I think they just made Durge not the default because people reacted negatively to the dark urge manifesting in EA against people's wishes.
>>749057124It would spoil your first playthrough if you DIDN'T play the Dark Urge. It's a custom character that actually feels involved in the story. It's way better than Tav.
>>749057437Yeah I didn't even know that idiot character existed when I played it the first time. I'm playing through it again now as the dark urge. I don't see too much different, except some "uuuh you're having homicidal whims and fancies" and get to kill and harm people in ways you otherwise couldn't in conversation or cutscenes..which is neat. Makes it worth playing through a second time. Otherwise I wouldn't have
>>749057124dark urge adds a lot to the story. he is deeply involved in the backstory and it makes all the plot threads juicier when he's present. like any origin character, you're also going to get a lot of dialogue options, story bits, interacts etc. that are unique to him and not available with a generic tav. he is fully customizable like a generic tav as well, you don't have to be a dwagonkin sorcrer. he is very much the intended avatar character story-wise, but i think larian didn't want to force everyone to play such a violent edgelord, which is fair enough.there are a quite a few dark urge-exclusive choices that can cock up your life a little bit, but it's very obvious when this would happen (your urge telling you to kill Very Definitely Important Character Whose Death Will Have Hugely Negative Ramifications) and you can usually get around it.you are a black man
>>749057437Man the EA play testers were really a bunch of the most sensitive bitches on earth. I'm fine with the gameplay adjustments but when Larian does their next EA which I assume they will I really hope they ignore player input on characters and story.
>>749057045it's improvised weapon attack using the enemy as the weapon, it registered that I clicked on the pole, he missed the pole
>>749052031>frontliner but worseMedium armor and shields, martial weapons, extra attack, and fighting style makes them a full fledged front liner PERIOD. And that's before self buffs and Booming Blade.>full caster but worseThey have heals, revives, buffs, crowd control, debuffs, and disabling spells. Take Lore and they can throw out fireballs and chain lightning just fine too. They are full fledged casters on par with wizard and cleric.>literally all half-and-half builds are terriblePaladin is god tier. Sorcadin is god tier. Hexblade is god tier. And wouldn't you know, Bard is god tier too.Add in that they're better skill monkeys than rogues and a party face and bards are the good at everything class. Not even "jack of all trades" they can do it ALL.
>>749057827Too bad they're so gay and so lame. Even propping them up with a comical power level isn't enough to save them from this fate.
>>749052031>no mention of ranged physical attackerBard is insanely good, probably the best class in BG3. it does it all, and it does it all well. it's a skill monkey, frontliner, caster and archer all in one. I actually dislike how strong it is because I feel like I'm throwing honor mode by not playing one
>>749057827NTA, bards are mechanically very good but I wouldn't make one my MC. I just want to say I find CRPGs a lot more fun when each member of a party is good at a specific niche thing and no Charisma based class. I hate "[Persuasion] Obviously Best possible outcome" game design and like how when you drop them from the group you're forced to actually pick sides and deal with risk vs reward consequences unless you put in the work to physically find alternative solutions.Fighter/ClericBut not one of the busted subclasses/Wizard/Rogue is top tier.
>>749057652damn, wish I found this mod before I locked in to Gunslinger
>>749058737it's not a mod, it's the Giant barbarian class
>>749049461>humanbecause I want to fuck the fantasy races>fighterSorry im not a pleb I went ranger
>>749058784Ah, it's a subclassShame that you need to use a skill for growing in size, it should be always on
>>749049461Being a regular human only fighting with your physical strength against magical beasts is the most kino thing imaginable
>>749058860I wish Rangers got some sort of stronger core class ability instead of relying on a weird gaggle of niche abilities and some lack luster 1/3rd spellcasting. Or at the very least make the spells Ranger gets scale a lot better with level and multi attack.
>>749051696Bards have sex with your whole family and leave you holding the bag
>>749049461>Why are you so lameyou sound afraid
>>749057652Is there any mods that make grappling more applicable as a legit playstyle rather than just a novelty?
>>749051696Bards are the ultimate support class. They have loads of spells for buffs, debuffs, area denial, map control, etc. You make your team mates overpowered, disable or manipulate enemies, build walls or smoke clouds or other environmental traps. In top of that you have high charisma with a lot of fun dialogue options, and good dex and buffs for lock picking, pickpocketing etc. I played as bard having never played BG or D&D before and had a shit load of fun, really feels like the perfect class for being the leader of your party.
>>749060506That's neither a human nor a fighter. That's a chaos god LARPing as one.
>>749056829They're still living beings, and living is all about conflict.
>>749051753 >>749051929 >>749052101 >>749053392 >>749059465 >>749061159>duuude they're like uber pro but uhhh you gotta buff teammates and they're like soooo pro that way *plays free bird solo that hypnotizes the enemy*gay ass faggot class
>>749062096thisbards are dumb and gay and they suck. you wanna melee? play a fighter or barbarian or paladin. you wanna cast spells? play a wizard or cleric or sorcerer. you wanna be a skills monkey? play a rogue or ranger
>>749051293replace bard with sorcerer
>>749062190no bro trust me they are op doe but no one understands them cause they're so op and gay bro trust me *plays the flute and entices the enemy into jerking off in front of you and wasting their turn*FAGGOT CLASS
>Bard class: fucks>Fighter class: "I attack" *dies next turn*SEETHE-ing martial cucks
>>749062465no one believes your lies
>>749051293>Open game>Go to pick race>Nice tiefling has ram horns maybe I'll make a sheep character>Go to pick class>Cool I don't get to play music classes that often in gamesThe normalfag...was me?
did the fag that whines about these being chinese shill threads finally kill himselfdid everyone's suggestions finally get through and he decided to make the world a better place?
>>749054709YeahThe idea of a level 1, adult elf is simply preposterous in most settings. You're telling me, that in the some 200 years it takes you to reach maturity, you NEVER did a single thing that would have contributed to a level? An adult elf, even if we assume they only achieved comparable human consciousness at like 80, has literally an entire human lifetime of education, experience, and reflection. Dwarves, actually do get decently portrayed. Dwarves are rocking maybe 50 years over a human, and indeed, every single dwarf almost always being talented at dwarf shit (mining, forging, brewing, ect) paints a believable image that this guy really is older than he looks
>>749063310Commoners are CR0 buddy. That includes commoners of non-human races.
>>749051232It really doesn't, I had to really fucking tryhard to oathbreak
>Race: Half-Orc>Class: Ancients Paladin>Deity: Selune >Romance: ShadowheartTime to game
>>749052161I'm spiritually Aryan (agarthan) so I play elf as Tolkien intended.
>>749052635he's safe dangerous and women think that they can fix him
OkayReal quickJust imagine Asterion was a femboy. Astolfo tier. You have just found your answer.
>>749063639>>749063729way uglier than default astarion
>>749049461Same reason why so many normalfags keep asking for diversity. They're incapable of imagining being something unlike themselves
>>749063639is this a twink mod or an actual female mod
>>749063729Considering the whole Harry Potter thing with female Malfoy, you know anons here would be into Female Asterion.
>>749049461I hope they ditch the idea of playing as origin characters unless it's a background you can customize like the Dark Urge. It must have been a huge waste of resources to record unique lines for playing as every character when the vast majority of players would rather hang out and interact with those characters as their own character.
>>749049461 Humans evolved in a society where 90% of people had to be the boring slave surf so there's your answer
>>749063310The point of your character is being the exception. The world is mostly full of commoners, even elves, who have never gone beyond their home villages or even cities. Besides that, elves have the luxury of having time so they don't need to rush. They can practice, weave baskets, have sex with a gazillion people and practice again in ten years.
>>749064565This seems to be hinged on the idea that CRPGs are played with a focus on a customizable blankslate MC being used as a vessel for world interactions and around which the rest of the party has to orbit around but I don't get why they don't adopt the JRPG thing where the party is just a thing that moves together as a unit and interacts with dialogue and stuff as a unit. Keep the Origins but just make it so you essentially play all the origins at the same time.
>>749064565>Hooved KarlachYeah I would. Honestly more Tieflings should be. Really Tieflings mutations from 2e in general should come back instead of all of them just being rainbow people with horns.
>>749051232Most people just play the most goody-two-shoes protagonist possible so being a Paladin changes nothing for them.
>>749056548for all the martials VS casters meme flame wars, the key problem with any old knight is that videogames are systems of rigidly defined rules and preset encounters, and magicians have way more options to interact with those rulesthen again, it's not like creativity is shackled by vidya format itself, if all the litrpgs and weeaboo fightan magics are any indicationif a stab in the back or a poison in the night are just gonna be no-sold by NUH UH I HAVE CONTINGENT RESURRECTION ON ME sort of bullshit, no fucking wonder martials are at a disadvantage
>>749049461It's weird that ranger is not that popular. I usually pick that archetype in games. It's like Fighter+. And it's funny how people really hate manlet races and love the beautiful races.
>>749052041>play a fantasy game sold on player choice with emphasis on doing whatever you want>choose to be a goodie two shoes faggot and do exactly what the developers intended every timewhy would anyone play like this?
>>749067304>what the developers intended every timeWhile being pure evil and killing all the tieflings screws you out of a bunch of Act 3 quest rewards I find that Larian generally rewards you a lot more for being asshole scoundrel mercenary type than a purely good hearted person.
What's the difference between a sorcerer and a wizard
>do monk >build correctly >capable of almost one shotting multiple enemies in one turn why play anything else
>>749067304>why would anyone play like this?Because being a warrior of light and justice and rescuing princesses and killing dragons is not exactly boring or an everyday occurrence for anyone, and most people don't like doing things that go against their personality. Also, playing the way the devs intended guarantees that you'll experience the most content. A retarded question, honestly.
>>749049461I interpret the multiple attacks per turn as crazy reaction speed which I always found cool
>>749067304I'm a gigantic piece of shit in real life so it's actually fun to pretend to be moral.
>>749067601Sorcerer has innate magic that manifests as a restricted list of a few spells they can further augment with Sorcerer abilities. Wizards can learn as many spells as they have gold and time to learn and put in their wizard book, creating a massive list of choices of which they can select a few, but they will only have a small number of subclass abilities that augment casting a particular school of magic.In a CRPG the drawback of a Sorcerer often becomes less apparent because the Spell list and situations is often more limited to start with and the player will have potential foreknowledge of exactly what they'll be dealing with which makes picking obviously good spells easy and enhancing the obvious best spells more valuable compared to a Wizard turbo utility.To me on table top a Wizard almost always feel better but in CRPGs Sorcerers tend to be more meta.
>>749067797Forgot pic.
>>749056704why is every piece of D&D media now mandated to have an annoying, shitass tiefling girl present?
>>749068152because it's one of the core races. It'd be like asking why a hobbit or Dwarf showed up.
>>749068301Why is the entire race snarky teenage gingers?
>>749068472wife?
>>749067689I will never get over the fact that the knight is supposed to be the bad guy.
>>749068301Tieflings are absolutely not a core race, they're weird planescape refugees.
>>749049461Well you see, when a Human Fighter and an Elf Sorceress love each other very much, they make a Half-Elf Paladin.
>>749067652>start a new playthrough with friends>"i really should try one of these other classes">pick monk againi'm the motherfucking fist of the north star jesus christ
>>749049461But your image clearly shows that Paladin and Sorceror are more popular than Fighter and Elf and Half-Elf are more popular than Human?
>>749049461Humans are gay. I want harengon to start appearing in DnD games.
>>749067689>4v1>STILL lose to the soloGODlmao what a shitter party
>>749049461>human fighter>most popular pick was elf paladinwhy do you lie so hard?
>>749068732Monk is like, the one class I haven't played. I really should try it eventually
>>749068672Cool fact but not really relevant to whether they're core or not.
>>749068985It just feels weird punching everything. Like there isn't anything wrong with liking monks but I just find them sort of funny conceptually.
>>749068672Thieflings have been included in the core phb since at least 4e.
>>749069118I got no beef with that, the real issue I have is that like, you basically want a bunch of 4 stats which can be tough to deal with. you want DEX and WIS for AC, CON for HP and STR for tavern brawler damage on your punches. STR is at least easily potioned up but I can never be satisfied with a stat distribution every time I try playing it.
>>749049461My issue is: >I just wanna play my class>I don't wanna play the whole party.As in: I'm fine with controlling them, telling them what to attack and whatnot, but I'm not a D&D fag. So I already have my hands full just choosing what talents and items to pic on my sorcerer. Now you're giving me 10 other classes and going: "Oh btw, manage the skills, gear and inventory for these fags, too. You can click auto level if you're fine with them skilling some absolute nonsense tho" FUUUCK. What does a barbarian wield? Probably a 2h?? How about the fighter? uuhh, also a 2h? Sword and Shield? Why the fuck do my fighter and my barbarian turn everything into mince meat with double attacks and extra moves and whatnot, and the Rogue is mostly only good for picking locks and pockets. The other melee classes do more damage looking in an enemies general direction than the rogue does.Also:>Dude, just multi-classFUCK OFF. If I want to play a sorcerer I want to play a sorcerer, I want to play a sorcerer. I don't want to be a sorcerer warlock. And I want my Rogue to be a rogue. I don't want to ask "Hey how do I make rogue work" and hear fucking "take 3 levels in rogue and then go Ranger". That 's not a fucking rogue then, is it? That's just a fucking ranger who dabbles in pickpocketing, for fucks sake. I'm sure every god tier OP build is some form of: "Take the absolute minimum of your class and then take the most OP, different class for the rest of it". But who enjoys playing like that?
>>749070109Somewhat mirroring this sentiment, I do wish more RPGs had adopted the Gambit/Tactics system of FF12 and Dragon Age Origins, so you could almost completely fully automate your party members' actions in combat. That would let you focus entirely on manually choosing your main character's tactics.Tangentially, I've never been fond of "Classes" in the first place because most of these games are only giving you a party of 3-4 characters at once, which leads to big blind spots that make some classes suck ASS on their own. This is especially egregious in the D&D system when you put them into video games since there's so much more combat than what you'd actually get in tabletop. They have these utilitarian skill-focused classes that can't do shit elsewhere, so they become a drag on the team for the most common scenarios, and that makes multi-classing so valued. If multi-classing is pretty much necessary for half the classes, why have classes in the first place? Just let characters pick and choose whatever skills feats spells abilities etc. if the classes aren't actually balanced to be involved in the majority of the campaign.
>>749050467How come they don't want him man?
Tavern Brawler was a feat brewed up by Larian. Monk stat distribution isn't normally stretched across that many stats.gygax tossed monks in becasue even back then there was a fetish for orientalism. katanas don't make sense either but some dudes wanted to be samurai.
>>749049904I don't relate to any of the characters so I played Astarion because he's a vamp
>>749070109>>749070917Classes are indeed gay as fuck. I've always wanted to play a game that makes the WFRP career system work, but I've never heard of anyone using it.
>>749051625>>Bard is a common choice>I can't believe it...5e bards are actually really good, because they're not a full spellcaster with 9 levels of spell, they get rogue-like expertise, and Charisma the social skill is their primary attribute.BG3 is pretty much the perfect game for a bard.
>>749072446>because they're not a full spellcaster with 9 levels of spell*because they ARE a full spellcasterNot sure how i fucked that up
>>749050467I think a bigger part of it is that Wyll is just... the least interesting starting character in the game by like a country mile. Shart, Frog, Karlach gale and Astarion all have much much more interesting stories and are much more compelling origin companions. Wyll is just kinda.. okay, whatever. yeah. The only less interesting characters are the non-origin companions, which I guess famously were very underbaked when the game came out. I think when people realized you can recruit Minthara she didn't even have dialogue for a bunch of situations. But I haven't kept up with patches to know if they changed anything in that regard, but I can't imagine they added a "make these fucks interesting" patch.
>>749072105Gygax put a lot of things in because they were fun.2nd edition D&D (which largely happened to further divide from earlier gygax D&D from at-the-time current TSR) tried to be "more serious medieval fantasy" D&D. Also concessions to avoid the Satanic Panic stuff that happened earlier (no using "Devil" or "Demon", they were now Tanar'i and Baatezu,)
>>749072370I mean I actually like classes. My whole point is that if I get THE classic class based system aka D&D. I want to actually *be* that class. If I'm a Barbarian and someone tells me it would be benefitial to take a few levels as a Bard for better perks I'm gonna fucking lose it. Give me my class fantasy. And usually I like a classless system. "take what works, make your own class" but in D&D I feel like everything revolves around the class. Astarion IS a rogue. I'm not gonna fucking multiclass him as a fucking ranger. Astarions personality is not a ranger. Neither is Karlach a Paladin. or laezel a warlock.
>>749067448ThisAnd you can generally know who's probably important and coming back after a few minutes even on a first encounter, so can maintain good relationships with them. Really, the only downside of being a dick, at least in DoS2, is you can only rob a man with a store once
>Race : Elf>Gender : *checks if there are good girls to romance as a male* Male>Class : Sorcerer Yup time to fantasy
>More people playing elves, half elves and drow than all of the other races combinedWe are so back fey bros, the based dwarf meme was so forced and performative
>>749062190>you wanna melee? play a fighter or barbarian or paladin. you wanna cast spells? play a wizard or cleric or sorcerer. you wanna be a skills monkey? play a rogue or rangerBut what if I want melee, cast spells and be a skills monkey?
>>749073509The problem is some classes are just bad, and some classes rely on a DM to let you do shit. Barbarian is JUST worse than Fighter after about level 7 or so. Definitely after Fighter gets their third swing, and Barb gets a bag of dicks. Paladin has zero reason to be taken past the aura, Monk has no reason to exist, period. Rogue is dogshit because Larian stealth is dogshir. Ect
>>749073876nta but classes were designed purely with single class in mind. they just didn't cut off multiclassing because too many people would expect it (but it was technically an optional system in 5e for a DM to allow or disallow)
>>749073876>after Fighter gets their third swing, and Barb gets a bag of dicks. Which is what I complained about with my Rogue. Rogue already doesn't feel quite as cool and strong as figher or barb, but the fact that both of those get to hit twice, and a rogue, who lore wise would be capable of quite fast attacks, doesn't get multiple attacks a round? Fuck me.
>>749074063rogue is more tricky/agile than a combat machine. They get to move crazy distances and slip in/out with cunning action, and a mega strike via sneak attack.5e is probably my favorite iteration of rogue/thief in all the various editions of dnd.
>>749074159>They get to move crazy distances and slip in/out with cunning actionSince I'm a sorcerer main, this problem is solved by dual-casting leap before a fight on karlach and laezel, then starting the fight and dual casting haste on both.It's absolutely fucking hilarious to imagine some ranger bandit on the other side of the map thinking he's gonna take potshots at me, only for Laezel to fucking jump right in his face from across the entire room and delete his existence. I feel like my Sorc is already stupidly powerful but the most damage he has done has been buffing these two.Meanwhile astarion is also there. I don't know. Maybe I'm doing rogue wrong. Maybe I don't get it. It just doesn't feel good to have 3 party members who turn every room into a giant blender. and one class who's like... just doing his best.
>>749074590rogue is dogshit in terms of combat power in 5e, even in the cucked version of 5e that bg3 uses
>>749072497Wyll suffered the most with the changes from how he was in early access.Like the Wyll of EA sounds way more interesting, a ego-centric fake hero who's racist against goblins.
>>749056719Preach. It's like how /v/ doesn't understand wheelchair-bound characters in RPGs>uh, but the wheelchair wouldn't work in a dungeon>uh, but you'd be pretty immobile in combat>uh, but you'd have a bunch of other problemsit's like, yeah. that's the fun of it.
