KWABOTY

>>749058892
Why did he even make that shit instead of a gmod 2?

I ain't reading all that nigga
Sorry that happened or glad for you

>>749058954
don't worry he's gonna rebrand s&box at some point

>>749058892
imagine if he had just actually made Gmod 2 on the Source 2 engine and paid for the licensed to use the HL models. Too bad he has a massive fucking ego

Gmod was a fluke and just happened to be the right thing at the right time and place, I'm not suprised this is how it all went down

>>749058892
that 50 year old gamer cuckold can either make it Garry's Mod 2 or eat my shit

>>749058892
I don't think S&Box is unredeemable. I just think it has no appeal compared to rival games. Why do I have to pay for it btw? If it's trying to compete with Roblox and build its own economy, it should be a freemium game. It's certainly a very poorly thought out launch.

>it starts with him talking about the god damn sausage motherfuckers
holy shit what is this guys deal with those things

All he has to do was just make Gmod 2 instead of whatever the fuck S&box was

He had the easiest slam dunk in the world and STILL botched it. Nigga how.

>>749058892
>all this rambling nonsense to say nothing
k

>>749058892
Literally who?

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>>749059118
I refuse to believe licensing shit off of Valve is even that much to begin with. A bunch of faggots made Hunt Down The Freeman and are selling it for $10 on Steam (during a major sales period no less), there's no way Gaben charges too much for regular fuckers to use his stuff.

>>749058892
>you're more useful to us as an independent
this comes across like "we really need your feedback to fix this game, but we don't want to hire you as a consultant because then we'd have to pay you"

no i don't know who he's referring to or what this was a response to

>>749059161
I don't think he understood what he made until Roblox figured out how to milk user created maps. He's trying to do a cash grab and failed tremendously. It sounds like even he knows it's slop.

I think its pretty obvious what garry wanted when he made sure to have a fomo cash shop in the beta a top priority

>>749059424
Tbf they’re kinda hot

>Gary IS still going on about those sausage people
lol

>>749058954
Potential Roblox dollars.

>>749058892
>actually admits he fucked up and humblingly apologizes
it is time to close wounds and forgive him, /v/

>>749059116
I mean if he fixes everything (yeah right) it could be fun, he has to call it GMOD 2 though

>>749059739
No he still has to make it good first.

>people just want funny jank simulator where you can make your own shitty maps and fuck around or whatever
>goes out of his way to make the shittiest, ugliest Roblox clone instead
Literally what the fuck is his problem?

>>749059815
FUCK YOU
BUY THE GAME

this guy is genuinely delusional if he thinks people wouldve liked the model if an indie studio did it instead

>>749059904
Ill buy seconds plus tip if I get to goon to female sausages before they pivot

>>749058892
the nine inch nails cover is so much worse than the johnny cash original. Who do they think they are? Completely ungenuine version.

He's such a fucking retard, the sausage people are like 5% of what's wrong about this shit.

This shit is NOT an engine, give us gmod.

>>749059851
Garry is genuinely retarded

the sausage people thing is seriously the crux of the whole controversy. the guy legitimately has evil inside of him to actually sit there and make that shit and release it.

>>749059913
Him being a lolcow didn't really help the reception.

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>>749059460
colossal retard + colossal ego
pic related

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>>749058892
yep, he's retarded and autistic, the whole game is a sunken cost fallacy shit, he pretty much confirmed he's pulling the plug on tr&box by the end of the year or there's gonna be an intervention, after all, they're burning upper 6 digits or more on this crap every month

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The funny part of garry trying to rip off roblox is that roblox isn't even profitable. In that sense I guess he's succeeding, because it was already a proven business model that doesn't work.

That's what malignant narcissism looks like. Sure, one of the biggest gaming companies on the planet can't do it, but he can!

>>749058892
Is he the dev KWABOTY front-runner now? Personally, I mean, God knows a lot of studios had humiliating moments this year too.

>>749059527
that game was pure cinema

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What makes me laugh at all of this is his cope that he's 'making an engine' when really he wants the Roblox business model. You don't use S&box to makes games, you use S&Box to make games for S&Box and only S&Box. If I wanted to make games why the fuck would I bother with an engine that not only doesn't let me make money, is being constantly changed so my work becomes treadmill work, and has no audience on the platform it'd be hosted on when I could just use Unreal or Unity?

>>749059739
>First Paragraph: Im right about the saussagemen, but I cannot find an "elegant solution" for you to EAT THEM.
>Second Paragraph: "Even if there are 50k HL3 quality games, nobody (YOUUUUU ARE WRONG!!!! not MEEEE REEEEE) wants to choose that way"
>Third Paragraph: "We (me Gary btw) wanted to float under the radar (Maybe the biggest lie he ever puke out of his filthy mouth)! and we fail at that! (He is """"admiting"""" failure over a Lie, thats easy, shame is a filthy lie)"
>Fourth Paragraph: "*Youtuber Ballsucking sounds*" (Forced onto a position of weakness, expect to gain sympathy from a bigger youtuber, again, autistic people are Always more retarded that you would think)
>Fifth Paragraph: "I KNOWED ALL ALONG!!!!" (he run into a wall, and now he is realizing how FUCKED he really was, this is the equivalent of the retarded kid saying "IM NOT RETARDED! IT WAS.... IT WASS... A JOKEEE!!!")
>Sixth Paragraph: "I WILL BLAME AI FOR MY FAILURES!!!! I may wait this arbitrary amount of time before capitulate total rape defeat, and then point out "I already knew dude, Im not rape! I even say it on the past *nervous rape victim laugh*)

>>749060373
Roblox is profitable, but their real profit model is a little esoteric to say the least for ol' Garry here. Instead of mulling about sausage people he should've figured out how to sell pedophiles digital access to real children if he wanted to emulate Roblox.

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>>749058892
Holy shit, it's basically just one of those passive aggressive company apologies.
>Actually the sausages are good but people refuse to love them and clearly they would have passed if we weren't know for Gmod
>"Too much content is a problem" "Tech demos and clickers"
>Actually our mistake is that we weren't trying to hook people
He's not saying he's wrong, he's still saying that everyone else is wrong.
And glazing AI.

>>749060503
>Second Paragraph: "Even if there are 50k HL3 quality games, nobody (YOUUUUU ARE WRONG!!!! not MEEEE REEEEE) wants to choose that way"
You missed the part where instead of admitting it's flooded of garbage, he's just calling it "too much content"

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i am enjoying my time on mr bones wild ride

>>749059530
>no i don't know who he's referring to or what this was a response to

this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN-icULJRDs&feature=youtu.be

>>749058892
>>749059739
Literally everyone told him it was going to be a mess and he still did it.
Only NOW that he's been in the red for SEVERAL MONTHS that he has to admit things need to change or he will continue infinitely bleeding money

>>749058954
The same reason every publisher and geriatric investor has forsaken their proven IP's for chasing GaaS and AI trends. Garry was just extra retarded about his attempt.

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The schadenfreude of watching an egotistical narcissist fuck up and cope is euphoric.

Remove the sausage people completely.
Give full access to Source 2 and let us sell games on steam.
Otherwise I don't care.

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>>749058892
S&box is done. There are so many issues it's hard to even establish where to begin. They completely squandered the marketing and messaging. Who is this shit even for? It's not a game engine and it's not appealing at all to the younger roblox crowd. Nobody serious is going to spend the time to make a serious game inside S&box and even if they fix the sausage people, the damage is done and whatever tiny foothold S&box had in the mindspace of the younger casual crowd is off putting and that's the image that will stick with them for years.

Nobody is going to invest serious time learning it. Godot and even Unity in their early years had a massive hill to climb in terms of getting good will from the video game industry space to be taken seriously. Mostly because nobody trusts a game engine made by people who haven't even made a proper game and Gmod hardly counts as one.

>leaning into ai
Putting ai in that shit really will be the final nail in the coffin. Even if long term, ai becomes an inescapable part of video game development putting it in now costs anyone who does it a big hit to their goodwill and reputation, something Garry has already exhausted long ago. Being known as the ex-sausage people roblox ai ripoff appeals to nobody.

>>749061230
>Give full access to Source 2 and let us sell games on steam.
Why would he do that when the whole point of this game is profiting off cosmetic microtransactions?

maybe garry should kill himself

>>749061274
wtf do you mean not a game engine

>>749058892
Yeah, he seething

>>749061274
I find it funny how shamelessly Garry tried to make a cash cow. Before I even touched the game all I saw about it was "devs" speculating on cosmetics prior to release. Then I saw the examples of the games on it. Just the most dogshit AI slop garbage that third worlds were making so they could get the devbucks Garry was handing out.

>>749058892
at this point, S&box is an unfixable problem, he would be better off restarting and literally making gmod 2, but i think he is simply incapable of this... he will "attempt" to fix it and if things are looking okish, he will inmediatly try to incorporate his retaded ideas again.
he just can't take a loss, he can't move on, he NEEDS to be right, even if it will cost him everything

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I feel like chasing the Roblox crowd never really works. Roblox spent a long fucking time with nothing super remarkable, survival maps here, platforming obbys there and only recently have people been trying everything they can with it. Fortnite only just barely gets away with it due to a mix of officially usable IPs and the fact that it isn't meant to be the main mode no matter how much Sweeney wants it to be. GMod worked because it was essentially akin to being able to play the modded side games from stuff like CS in one place with a system that allowed you to mod in damn near anything if you tried hard enough. The design philosophy of S&Box is inherently doomed because of Garry wanting to make it a platform for monetized content he could then take huge cuts from instead of just being GMod in Source 2

>>749061057
>brown youtuber crying that garry hasn't paid him for making dozens of videos about garrys dead game
lmao go back to india u nigger

>>749059851
He wanted to be Minecraft rich

>>749058892
>Garry admits s&box fucking sucks
No, he's saying people refuse to like it, that's different.

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>>749061274
there is so much wrong with this post i don't even know where to start

>not a proper game engine
wat
>nobody is going to invest serious time learning it
people already have and the engine is still missing major features LOL
there are INSANE giga benefits to s&box as a game engine. it's super fucking attractive to any developer who knows anything about anything but it's currently radioactive because of the whole AI discourse around it
>haven't made a proper game
rust? not counting garry's mod is also giga fucking retarded btw since doing the backend dev for something like gmod is 10x harder than standard game development
>leaning into AI
they just don't ban people for using it in their games because that'd be retarded. go to any game dev discord, or any professional AAA discord.
99.9% of developers are using AI now and will be in the future. they just softban people to the back of the algorithm with obvious AI art and don't let them monetize.

it feels like 99.9% of the people giga shitting on s&box have read precisely one twitter thread and have no idea anything actually about the engine.
i don't even give a shit about the UGC/platform part of s&box but saying the engine is bad is just objectively fucking wrong lol you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>749061790
sbox has 50,000 HL3 quality games, why is nobody playing them?

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garry trolling all the retard s&box developers by telling them their games (pic rel) are literally half life 3. based?

>>749061908
there's an insane amount of misinformation going around people parroting, and i really don't understand why anyone would want a source 2 sdk with c++ and legacy valve tools where you make mods. i wanna make games, not fps addons

>>749061908
it's over

>>749058892
>He finally fucking admits he botched the gift Gabe gave him
Holy shit.

>so uh, the “the citizen,” I like him and

What the actual fuck is wrong with this guy? Imagine needing years and countless lost dollars to finally, but reluctantly, accept that nobody wants to invest money into customizing grotesque sausage people, something he should as a game developer understand intuitively

>>749061790
That's because it SUCKS

>>749061908
>AIjeet defending ScamBox
Like pottery

>>749061908
you are brown

knowing that discord trannies made money if i played the game made me never want to play it

this is what he gets for making your race and gender random on rust

>>749061998
HL3-quality game btw

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Trying to be a roblox like game without being F2P with microtransactions is retarded

I get that Garry is a boomer but there's certain types of games nowdays you just can't charge money for and expect it to do as well as the free options with Goypasses or paid skins (see Marathon or Concord)

Part of why those do so well is the ability for friends to hop into a game easily, try it out and get into the gameplay loop/try out random servers rather than spending money for something they might not be into

>>749058954
4k Roblox

Imagine one day Valve actually releases Source 2 to let you make games like the original Source, then Garry would be thoroughly raped

>>749062285
i used to want to play rust when it first came out but lost all desire to play when i heard that
i thought i also heard that ur more likely to get a black skin avatar cuz theres more blacks on the planet

>>749062285
Ngl I completely dropped any pretense about playing the game because of that

>>749058892
I like how he attributes all potentially good ideas to himself while using exclusively "we" when talking about the mistakes.

>>749062257
he wants to improve the system so ONLY discord trannies get paid. this way they can afford to buy their new vaginas asap and then kill themselves sooner.

>>749062348
>Trying to be a roblox like game without being F2P with microtransactions is retarded
this is literally all he doesn't get
this is the #1 fuckup

>>749058954
Gmod 2 would imply Half Life 3 exists which it doesn't

>>749062807
hl3 exists see
>>749061998

>>749061908
Brown.

>>749062715
>>749062348
No, the #1 fuckup is that it's trying to compete with an established platform that existing users have no reason to switch off of. S&box would still be a flop if it was F2P, because nobody's looking for a Roblox replacement. It simply has no audience regardless of price.

>>749062063
>i really don't understand why anyone would want a source 2 sdk with c++ and legacy valve tools where you make mods. i wanna make games, not fps addons
Base sdk is how you make games for Source engine.

what's kinda funny is how he crashed and burned his forums the same way, he tried to make it a reddit clone that nobody asked for and then killed the site shortly after
seems like a recurring theme

>>749058892
Despite all that's been said here, god it must probably suck so fucking much for Garry right now. I hope it gets better for him and he manages to pull at least SOMETHING off (and ideally gets a few more people who don't want literally exactly the same thing as him).

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>>749062947
>it's roblox with better graphics and better* developer tooling!
>except it's paid
>except children can't run it on phones
>except it doesn't have an already fully established developer community shitting out games professionally (there are literally hundreds of game companies that only make roblox games)

>>749063110
I'd rather his studio go bankrupt

>>749063128
>except the better graphics are completely ruined by the ugly sausage people

>>749063164
>>749063110
Garry's Mod still gets updates. They just enabled the x64 executable

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/4000/view/675131625553528405?l=english

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>message me on whatsapp
>t. the creator of fucking garrysmod

This British fuck scammed me with rust. Go bankrupt.

>>749058892
wish i could directly call garry a fag

t. 2001 facepunch user

>>749063128
>better graphics
*Shoves ugly sausage people in youre game*
t-thanks Garry....

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>>749063421
>rewrites the source 2 engine's renderer to match state-of-the-art engines like unreal 5
>so that you can use cutting edge shaders on... british sausages

>>749063110
>god it must probably suck so fucking much for Garry right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzItS5BmUNw

I don't hate Garry, but his game does indeed suck ass and I think it's wasted effort and time trying to fix it, should probably just make it F2P like he promised and wash his hands with it moving onto the next thing.

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>>749062063
it's actually fucking diabolical how stupid the average person is
if you've never programmed, you should be dragged naked through the town square of wherever you live if you try to say a word about anything game or engine dev related
i am so tired of reading people larping about my field

they just hear WOW SOURCE 2 and assume it must be this amazing thing and don't realize it's a pile of dogshit held together with spit and tape that only works because valve developers are 1 in a million divine intellect gigabrains
animgraph and modelviewer are the clunkiest programs i've ever used in my career and it's amazing they made HLA with them
VIS is finicky trash that makes map creation take five times as long and little seams end up turbo fucking performance into oblivion. it also never would have worked with a UGC platform like gmod 2 because VIS can only handle enclosed spaces
s&box started getting ported to C# because the original plan was using UE4 as a wrapper and C++/VScript for scripting languages and as it turns out that's kind of fucking retarded
yeah bro im super down to use valve tools that were created for the express purpose of half life alyx and half life alyx only and are no longer maintained and break every five seconds or when the moons alignment changes
it's almost like there is no actual monolithic idea of source 2 because HLA, DOTA 2, and CS2 all use different forks

has anyone in this thread actually used any source 2 tools like i have or do you all just larp at knowing anything about game development

>b-but garry's mod has VIS!
garry's mod is also 20 years old and could run on anything when it came out. you can be lazy with culling because modern computers have the power to brute force it
you can't be lazy with culling while working with modern graphical pipelines or you turbo giga ultra rape performance, as most people found out when the game launched and they tried the sandbox mode to a sizzling 15fps

>>749061998
I don't get it?

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>>749062238
garry is doing the needful to the s&box

>>749063752
cs2 is worse than csgo

This shit has pretty much every predatory aspect of modern gaming like gambling casinos, fomo cosmetic shops and random drops that require a certain time played every day. It's like Garry was jealous he missed out on all those jewish trends so he shoved them all into his hideous sausage game, I'm glad it failed, fuck Garry

>>749063883
If Garry banned Indians from s&box it would go far to soothe my opinion on him.

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>>749063883
>2 more weeks SAAAR

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>>749058892
>makes gmod 2 but somehow leaves behind every single possible aspect that game gmod 1 fun
>is shocked that no one likes the game
>to this day, copes by saying that the people who don't like the game are in the wrong

>>749063883
R€d€€mbox....

>>749058892
He literally pulled a Concord

>First paragraph is still coping about the uggo sausage people
Holy shit man, let it go. They're ugly

>>749063752
This but also about AI especially

>>749058892
someone obsessed with garry, go marry him already.

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>>749064258
he has cornered the pedo trooncord wannabe game developer market

>>749064339
>when the youtuber avatar crosses his arms
shit just got real

>>749059739
>denies guilt
>found guilty
>denies guilt
>sits in prison
>denies guilt
>has zero way out and everyone has already moved on
>okay yeah I'm guilty
what a hero

>>749058892
Im so sick of garrys ineptitude and his ego. No, the ugly ass photorealistic sausage people were NOT going to be the next Minecraft Steve, roblox noob, mingebag, etc; that is to say, the "default player avatar" that catches on and represents a community and its culture. Because they are fucking ugly. They are ugly as hell and people like nice things. Even programmer art has an abstract nature that lets people fill in the blanks; nobody was going to identify with the sausage man
He was like this on the forums too. Its one thing to be a leader, or even have a firm vision and sense of control over your work, but he just absolutely refuses to listen or engage with anyone period

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>>749058892
He literally deleted Facepunch over those fucking sausage people
>muh AI is the reason no one is playing my shitty game
kek

>trying to out-roblox roblox
>with a sequel to a boomer game

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Just tried it. First game I played was basically Megabonk but programmed by an AI. Second game was a soundboard of nothing but wet farts , third game was a coin pusher game in Japanese that played itself. I un-installed by that point

>>749064651
>FOMO diaper
Can't believe he added this. It's impossible to comprehend the mind of the British millennial

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>>749060569
>their real profit model is a little esoteric
Grooming and child sex trafficking?

He has to have some obsession with chumchum and bucketboy or whateever if he's STILL defending the sausage models.

>>749058892
I ain't reading all that shit. Are you fucking serious right now?

>>749058954
Realistically, there's no point to Gmod 2. If you want to have a "mash together assets" game but in a more modern engine, then UEFN already exists.

With S&box, there's at least some logic there: Roblox is extremely popular but it's wavering as the people who grew up with it in its new age of popularity are aging out, and controversies regarding exploitation and pedophilia are pushing new people away. If you could steal all the best bits from that system, polish it up to a more adult and professional standard, and then reel a lot of that former audience in, you could stand to make a lot of money.

Garry was just a moron because he's far from the first person to push to make such a thing, the fact that Roblox mainly worked because enclosed environments are better for kids to work with (anyone that's an adult will just publish indie), and honestly the fact that he constantly has to explain that it's not Gmod 2 despite sounding similar on the surface means there's a baked in level of disappointment that anyone familiar with his shit will have to deal with.

>>749060503
This is a very twitter-coded post

>>749065301
basically garry is a tranny-loving nigger faggot

>>749065238
s&box is around 90% pedos 10% russian children compared to roblox which is about 10% pedos 90% children

>>749058892
What this fag failed to understand is that the characters in his game lack charisma.
A completely stupid game, but one with a charismatic character that grabs people’s attention, becomes a game that people want to try. That silly game with the busty girl jumping rope is the best recent example of this phenomenon.
His sausage-like men have absolutely no charisma. They’re like the stuff you see in a low budget commercial for some shitty brand trying to do something "funny", but that most people just find kind of repulsive. And it has nothing to do with them being ugly as hell, since ugly characters can also be charismatic (Popeye is a ugly motherfucker but he’s pure charisma).

He needs to understand this simple fact and realize that he made a serious mistake by using characters with negative charisma in an attempt to sell his game.

Bring the old models back to Rust faggot

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>>749064004
i agree with you

>>749062238
>>749062243
>>749062883

this is gonna be my last post in this thread because im not giving the discord groups who make these any more content
here's some s&box features that i a game dev find attractive

>steamworks API native integration making multiplayer implementation take five seconds instead of doubling your codebase because you have to make a networked version of every function
>writing editor tools is a joke, have complete access to the entire editor API, just drop a script in the editor folder and it just werks
>massive cloud library of assets that can be drag and dropped into editor with contained logic in Prop component. can edit/remove behaviors if unwanted
>gameresources are unity scriptableobjects but let you natively serialize fucking anything, including dictionaries
>best designer organization properties i've ever used, create/disappear entire features, prevents designers from fucking shit up but giving them more granular control if they want
>suite of tools that are built for you that any sane game dev uses. scene loader, audio manager, input manager, event bus. don't have to go and build them yourself
>hotreloading saving you from five minute long recompiles on large projects. can also hotreload in FUCKING MULTIPLAYER SESSIONS YOU CAN HOST FROM YOUR EDITOR, LETTING YOU PLAYTEST AND MAKE CODE CHANGES AT THE SAME TIME
>mapping tool is just hammer 2 but built into the engine. missing a few features for now, but adding even more like fragmenting/merging models, extrude along edge (previously CS2 hammer exclusive)

i don't give a single fuck about the platform but if you don't think the engine has legs you are a mongoloid
when your mother had the misfortune of squirting you out onto the floor and you landed on your fontanelle you had to wear a fucking helmet as a child to shape your skull correctly but it didn't stop your brain from being a flat pancake you GAGGLE OF GOYLEM FAGGOTS

>>749064769
the dates don't add up, retard.

>>749064564
>let it go
Dude it's one paragraph, you couldn't work up the mental fortitude to read it until the end?

garry's troon squad is here

>>749065824
>im shit at coding
>i use shitty ai slop cloud assets that are all unoptimised junk
>more i cant code
>gmod has had reloading since forever
>s&box mapping is dogshit and worse than hammer 1 editor
kys brown moron

>>749065824
then be a s&dbox dev then, lmao
quite the attractive prospect, looks great on a resume, i'm sure

>>749058892
The thing is gmod was right place right time. I dont know if you replicate that

>>749058892
shame everyone is too focused on the sausage men and not the fact that the game was loaded up with AI slop basically immediately and it buried all the good shit

>>749059527
You fucked up my face.
*bam*

>>749059424
He really liked them and thought they would be iconic, then it turned out everyone really really hated them

>>749066149
no that works though, it's repellant dogshit on the surface and then even worse dogshit if you even felt like digging deeper, it's perfect

>>749066149
people are too stupid to realise sausage is HL3. garry will show them the way.

>>749066149
This. I actually like the sausage guys but the games are fucking terrible and there's thousands of them.
For example, there are like 50 casino games, how many of them do you think consists of your character running around a casino playing various casino games? 40? 30? 15? 10? What if I told you 0 of them are on par with Tower Unite or Gmod Tower or DarkRP with casino addons.....

This is what people thought of when they heard that s&box was "Garry's Mod 2"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRT3MyFwgu0

Then they booted it up and saw a roblox gamehub filled with no effort clicker games and they couldn't even add Modern Warfare sweps to Source 2 Valve Games and then left.

>>749065846
Back in 2018 he was already showing those things in the forum and people were shitting on them retard, why do you think he started hating that place

This is Garry's Mod 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ryJytVIimI

>>749066149
If anything the Sausage men are the only thing saving Sbox from being completely blasted for being AIslop

>>749058892
No one is complaining about the Sausage People because they're not shaped like Half Life 2 characters. They're complaining because they're ugly as fuck and not fun to build around. He had no reason not to know that, and he has no reason to remain so stubborn on this issue.

I understand 100% that he didn't want to make Garry's Mod 2, which is why he didn't call the game that, and why he tried to take it in a different direction. But what Facepunch ran with for S&box is just too desperate for a brand identity of its own to ever work.
Garry's Mod was successful because it had no brand of its own, it simply exposed the tools of the Source engine, and Half Life 2, specifically, to the player in a toyetic fashion.
You could get hours and hours of fun out of Garry's Mod without knowing anything about the tools you were handed. You could fuck around and explore them at your own pace, slowly discovering more things to play with. Players organically grew into creators, the distinction was always thin.

That's not how S&box is designed. Everything about it is designed around enabling people who are already developers to spam rehashes of other games and bad implementations of other people's ideas at an audience that's just supposed to lap it up, all built around Garry's inexplicable Fanboy & ChumChum-ass mascot character with zero personality of its own.

S&box isn't a sandbox at all. A sandbox is supposed to be fun all on its own. A blank canvas. S&box is a fucked up Games as a Service platform that's opaque to anyone who'd like to use it as a gateway to creative ideas and objectively inferior to a proper game engine on a creative and financial level for anyone who already knows what they're doing. Which means it offers nothing of value to anyone.

>>749061908
SAR DO NOT REDEEM SAR

Garry Lost
Roblox Won

Get raped Gary lmao

What will happen to my sausage crowns?

>>749067532
DAMP EET

>>749058892
>youtube dick sucker thread
That's what is. Garry is sucking youtube man cock.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>749066828
Stop posting your youtube videos you fucking faggot.

>>749066757
>2018-2019
man, i thought it was way earlier. he even made new forum and closed it down afterwards.
All i remember about earlier s&box was the ue4 builds (never had sausages to begin with) and some browser 3d platforming game where you played as sausages (with dicks hanging out) and had to collect coins, which were to be used on a new forum he launched after closing the old one.

The thing with half life people is that they were normally scaled. A desk can be a desk, not this 3 apples high shit you get with the fanboy and chumchum people

Yeah.
Despite all the hate, I do like the engine and I am (very slowly) making a game of my own using it.
Not a big fan of the sausage characters myself, but I don't completely hate them.
But yeah, they'd probably be better off away from all the marketing material, and kept as a secondary choice for certain games that benefit from it, instead of being the primary one.
Regarding the platform, though, no idea if, and or how, it can be salvaged.

facepunch developer QUITS tran&box and says garry is a RETARD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFl5KezZdsI

>>749064339
>FOMOFOMOFOMOFOMOFOMO
Guess we're gonna ignore the 9 or so past years where FOMO has actively killed games' longevity.

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>>749058892
s&box failed because ai and not because garry

Literally all he had to do was basically make the Source 2 SDK that Valve doesn't want to make, and he was golden.
And instead he made liquid shit (attracting jeets in the process).

How are they coping in the discord?

>>749069548
Garry xisters...

>>749058892
The sausage nigger identity was shit. If you Garry were an indie studio no one would have bought his game either. This guys is just completely delusional I ain't even bothering to read the rest.

>>749069794
they are busy making piss and shit VR games so that garry approves them for playfund 2.0

>>749066149
The fact that there were real, actual issues much greater than the AI shit should tell you how fucked sandbox actually was.

>>749069834
You don't get it, the problem of S&Box is that there's just too much amazing content, and they didn't really try to advertise because it would have totally blew up big time if they did.
(I just summed up the next two paragraphs for you)

>>749067096
I disagree.
The sandbox element is really overrated.
DarkRP, TTT, Murder, these were what made it popular.

>>749069548
Shitting on your former employer publicly is pretty based I guess, kinda dumb but whatever. But calling game engines redundant is full retard mode. I guess he thinks he's just going to vibecode his own gmod2.

>>749058954
hubris

>>749070470
>DarkRP, TTT, Murder, these were what made it popular.
None of those would exist if it weren't for the early success of the sandbox mode.
DarkRP is literally just an extension of the Sandbox mode.
TTT was created as part of a contest to motivate people to use the Fretta features they had just added to the game.

Nobody is ever going to play this shit fucking game.
Nobody is ever going to enjoy playing as an ugly as fuck sausage.

IT IS DEAD.
FUCK YOU GARRY YOU DUMB NIGGER ITS A FLOP AND YOU WILL NEVER MAKE ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL GAME.
EVEN RUST IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN SLOWLY AS MORE AND MORE GAMERS SWITCH TO LINUX AFTER GETTING TIRED OF MICROSAARS BUGRIDDEN PILE OF COWSHIT OS.

FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOUR DOGSHIT CASHGRAB ROBLOX RIPOFF.
GET FUCKED NIGGER.

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I can't make janky but soulful ragdoll stop-motion animations in s&box and thats the biggest reason why it sucks

s&box will never have its own kitty0706 or dasboschitt or eltorro64rus or thatgraycartoonpony or antoine delak or dr lalve or greatdictator

They had one job and failed at it.

>>749058892
is there a singular reason to play this shit over roblox? he couldnt have just released a roblox clone that is just roblox with penis people right?

>>749073441
https://youtu.be/kVrrt-nvDnQ?t=296

>>749059739
What humility? Every paragraph consists of passive-aggressive blame deflection because the unwashed masses (the players) didn't appreciate his "HL3 quality" minigames or some shit.

Good, i hope garry crashes and burn for trying to make roblox 2, a game that is the peak of vile and he wanted to make it even more radioactive.

>>749073698
I hate Garry because of the race locked account bullshit in Rust. I will continue to post negative things about every game he releases forever because of this

>>749063883
BUY THE DIP

I dont think we needed gmod 2 desu. Source 2 seems to be a mess between all the games. Maybe going off of deadlock only would work but I'd rather just have a custom games mode

>>749058892
If Garry didn't have Rust bucks to keep him afloat then he may have an heroed over s&box flopping so hard. Worst is that we can see the finances of s&box due to his transparency autism and like it's losing 10k a month or something just running it. Probably not even factoring the hole he's in time and money wise to even develop it in the first place

Garry is too retarded to understand that Roblox got popular because it was a digital playground.

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>*uses AI to analyze garry newman*
This is a pretty standard "youtuber apology video" but in text form.
It reminds me of boogie2988

>>749058892
BWAHAHAHA
SUCK MY COCK CLEEEEEAN GARRY!

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>>749074518
Also, imagine if a big developer stated
>"if we were indie, people wouldn't be so critical!"
But you're not? the whole point is you're SUCCESSFUL, therefore you are EXPECTED to do better?
>Gabe Newell: "WELL, if we were INDIE, then ARTIFACT wouldn't be so criticized!"
Could you fucking imagine the fallout from a statement like that? Talk about tonedeaf

correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that Garry never really understood gmod and had to be tardwrangled?

>>749058954
Valve wanted extra money to use source 2

>>749058954
There's no new version of Source or any real updates to speak of to Source assets/tech so there wouldn't really be anything new to base a gmod 2 off of
Also there's the potential to make a lot more money when you're making a brand new platform that you own entirely rather than one that is based on Valve's assets

>>749073785
thanks for revealing that garry raped you, that took courage.

>>749074448
>money
>money
>money
Everything about this game is just financial decisions. He unironically believed this was his billion dollar idea.

>>749065979
Nta but I think he read it. Pretty sure anyone following this has read the same shit but slightly worded differently about the retarded sausage people.

>>749058892
can I get a brief qrd on garry's mod and this game and why people hate it but liked the previous one?

Have you guys heard about the allegations? Garry is allegedly talking to underage people and grooming them on discord. Shits fucked up.

>>749075495
Because it's not Garry's mod but an attempt of making paid roblox with horrid character models by default made by an egotistical maniac

>>749075495
Gmod was a game made back in the early internet, it was free and built up a fairly dedicated following because it was literally just HL2 assets in a sandbox that people used to make fun gamemodes, because back then that was a thing that people did basically for free so they could run a server and get friends. It then became a paid version that carried all that shit over and people liked it, it's hard to explain the community browser days of gaming to zoomers because I don't think you'll ever understand what it was like, I guess the closest analogue would be something like Roblox but with 20 solid games instead of 82 million MTX farms.

Sampersandbox is just a roblox clone filled with AI jeets.

I'm no expert I just remember being told when I was a child to not put out private info online but is his strategy of having an embarrassing public meltdown going to work out for him?

>>749075743
Well, he can't really lose any more players at this point. He's pissed literally every single person off, all he has left at this point are NFT types who hope the game will get magically popular so they can offload all the garryverse hats they bought.

>>749075698
garrys mod is a zoomer game, retard

>>749075495
Garry's Mod (2004) was the first of its kind: A game engine showcase designed to be used by the everyman.
Its popularity was due to a lot circumstantial factors, but mainly
>Ease of use
>Valve heydays
>Early online video sharing
S&BOX (2026) is the spiritual sequel that came out 20 years later, and tried start from scratch by dumping everything from source engine, and relying on UGC.
The problem is that UGC
>hard to make
>new and uncertain
>saturated by an endless stream of other games doing the same thing

Basically, a massive mis-step with development difficulty magnitudes far greater than any other product on the market. It might be unique, but that doesn't make it good.

>>749061908
my opinions on s&box are informed by steam reviews of people who have dozens or hundreds of hours and one of the reasons I saw people say not to invest in it is because any update pushed by facepunch is liable to cause entire games to break because they change random critical things on a whim. seems like a reasonable complaint

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>>749065238
Are you sure it's not wavering because the game is like 20 years old with no Valve backing like Gmod was? Even Blockland died. Roblox was what got me into Gmod back in late 2008.

>>749076137
It's pretty funny the turd was in development for so long and they couldn't even maintain basic feature parity so each new update didn't kill development.

The real way you should do that kind of thing is only push an update when you add significant new features, otherwise only patch bugs. But that would require basic competency.

my question about s&box is that are all games created with the intent that their content can be taken and used for other products? The whole point of gmod being a cool and fun game is having access to other games' content. If this allows it, then that sounds pretty cool, and why hasn't it been the primary selling point/showcase?
They could easily market this game by giving bi-weekly updates/showcases on UGC, playing with user content, and making new interesting things.

Instead, if all games are self-contained, it would seem to me that this game goes against the sailing principle of gmod: create and share.

>>749076197
Facebook Frog

>>749076419
another note on this is that to enjoy content in gmod, you didn't even have to PLAY the game that said content comes from. You could treat literal video games as "content packs" for gmod

>all he had to do was polish up source 2 and write some documentation for infinite money
>blows it all up
BRAVO GARRY

>>749076104
I don't think the game could've reasonably succeeded either way. I think if you had good looking character models and a focus on custom skins being made and traded between players for an in-game paid currency while you skim fees off it, and harsh anti-AI slop policies with a curation team who plays each new turd that gets added and rates it, then MAYBE you could leverage the Gmod 2 name to get enough players and creators to hit critical mass. But it's still a big maybe.

gmodders and former gmodders just want gmod with an updated engine to make bigger maps and guns that arent buggy pieces of shit

Garry has literally lost almost a million dollars because he desperately hates the idea that someone might make a female avatar that is sexy lmao.

>>749076570
I really don't think (gmod 2) would be successful with any of that. It needed to be an updated engine with support for larger ideas.
>modify source engine/use source 2/any engine that supports huuuge map sizes (source supports .5 miles end-to-end, with some maps using clever tricks like stacking land vertically and using teleportation at the edges)
>make custom characters easy as fuck, maybe not black desert online levels of customization, but a more user-friendly version of bonetool
>talk to devs, get licensing agreements, make content from new games EXTREMELY ACCESSIBLE, INCLUDING OTHER ENGINES. (imagine a uasset converter that makes things from unreal JUST WERK in-game)
>expand playercounts per server to epic proportions in the thousands (WITH safeguards)
>LISTEN to the community: If lots of people are saying the same thing, then MAYBE it's not just "trolls" (or mingebags)
So much could be done better that DIDN'T rely specifically on just existing content, and had the potential to blow up as the "L4D2>L4D"-type-comparison (GMOD2>GMOD)

>>749059460
You're not thinking like a narcissist, anon. He's too good for just gmod 2, all that shit is below him now, he's THE Garry Newman, he has to go above and beyond and make the next big thing

I love these threads so much. Seeing the fall of Garry is spectacular, because you can tell from his public and quasi-private (Discord) statements that he really deserves it. The sausages were/are so unbelievably bad, but it's not just about someone making a bad decision.. it's the whole picture of stubbornly rejecting all negative opinion about it for years and years.

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>>749071221
>Fretta
Probably the most fun part of Gmod
a shame nobody plays it anymore and 90% of servers are DarkRP scams targeting children and manchildren
If Gmod 2 launched and did well we might see a resurgence in fun gamemodes like SpaceBuild, but now thanks to Garry I don't think that's going to happen.

Do you think Garry has ever opened up the game browser and thought to himself if he would want to play any of that dogshit for more than ten minutes.

>>749058892
who is garry

Why couldn't we have just gotten Hammer 2, man

>>749077628
if it said, "Garry Newman Complement Reader" or "S&BOX Success Instructions", then he might

hes an unironic redditor he should kys

>>749058892
>we made people angry
>we turned gmod community against us
>we can't get away from that
>we fucked it
Oh yeah, I'm sure all these retarded decisions were part of collective and not made by a single out of touch faggot

>>749077628
do we know what games he even plays?

>>749077910
He streamed himself on twitch making a game about feces

>>749077910
modding minecraft, dayz, and something called "The Dizzy Series"

Most of the stuff I come across online says he doesn't play games as much as he makes them.

>>749077910
>do we know what games he even plays?
https://sbox.game/u/garry

>>749078341
>and something called "The Dizzy Series"
i'm pretty sure that's referring to a series of shitty platformers for the ZED EX SPECCY that brits just love for some fucking reason

>>749077678
the guy who has a mod

>>749066306
>thought they would be iconic
i'll give garry this - the sausage models are def distinctive and don't look like the models in any other indie game ive ever seen, but that's not necessarily a good thing. they have zero appeal and i have no idea how it took this long for garry to do *anything* about it, and even then it's more of a half-assed solution to give them a neck slider. even when he's "fixing" the issue, he can't help himself but to do the bare minimum because he is too goddamn attached to these ugly sausages, playerbase be damned. they're like an icon of garry's hubris. he kept insisting he was right about everything during development - we need to throw out working and mature source 2 components to replace with our own worse solutions. we need to constantly rewrite the api, pissing off developers on the regular. we need to have ugly sausage designs instead of "generic" pretty fortnite tier ones, even though everyone kept complaining about them. we need to sell expensive timed cosmetics just like with rust, even before launch, even though the game was always planned to cost money up-front and it's nakedly manipulative. speaking of, we need to charge money up-front, unlike any of our competitors like roblox. we don't need to disencourage ai slop because good games will naturally rise to the top. there's probably more i forgot, but you can see the pattern: garry knows best and fuck everyone else

naturally all of this shit blew up in his face because nothing about s&box is appealing, and while garry could cope that the game could still take off after launch, it's become very obvious it's not gonna happen, hence the backpedaling like the model "fixes" and the f2p weekend (which he bitched about having to do and barely moved copies). he's lucky FP has rust, otherwise a disaster of this scale would've bankrupted the whole goddamn studio. consumers might be idiots but if almost nobody likes your game, just take the goddamn L and fix your game properly

>>749058892
a very reasonable message borne solely from a series of extremely retarded decisions
an abstract kind of feel

The funniest shit is when Garry said he wanted the reviews to be negative

>>749078964
reminder they had to hastily fix this shit the first time this got posted in one of these threads

>>749064651
>$3
>536 sold
Please tell me Garry takes 95% of that.

>>749079152
He's not wrong, criticism is more important to hear as a dev than a bubble of toxic positivity

>>749079267
Thats not what he meant. It was at release and he said it was a good thing and expected, its all a lie. So yes he is wrong.

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>>749079267
Ah yes, pic rel is actually a good thing and not an instant turn off to any potential buyer

>>749079267
>a bubble of toxic positivity
that's literally what he wants you faggot

>>749079267
you are a fucking idiot

>>749058892
Damn... i really feel for him. That sounds stressful.

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>read comments
>see this
holy fuck, this game doesn't even launch with a fucking native GRAVITY GUN SUCCESSOR?
how many fucking bags can you blunder? biblical levels of ignorance

>>749077683

Seriously :(
Valve being one of the only big devs I could imagine to still including a full SDK at this point in time. Maybe when/if HL3 comes out...

>>749063752
The furthest I've went with trying to make stuff for Source 2 has been a single map in CS2 and a custom game in dota 2.

I still think that Source 2 could honestly be something good, if Valve just actually TRIED to make it into something good that is. Like you said, it seems like Valve themselves don't know what the fuck to do with it but I hope that whatever Half-Life game they are working on in Secret and Deadlock push them to unify all of the different versions they have for it so that they can make proper tools for it instead of relying on Frankenstein abomination tools that they've kept updating since the fucking 90s without fixing the core issues with them.

>>749079267
to add onto the other replies garry is an even bigger idiot than you think because he not only asked for critique but he digs his heels in every time he's criticized instead of ever considering feedback. OP pic is probably the first time he's ever publicly self-reflected in his entire lifespan as a developer. literally second place behind phil fish in terms of indie developer with ludicrously inflated sense of self-worth and ego

>>749076419
the games are incompatible, because they are built on top of bare engine, not on top of the sandbox gamemode.
The assets from the games supposedly should work in sandbox gamemode, but i dunno for sure, haven't played it. There is ugc system inside of sandbox gamemode that uses assets (models textures etc.) that are available to anyone and any gamemode (if it supports ugc) and there are assets (mostly code based one) that are exclusive to sandbox gamemode (or fork of it)

>>749063752
vis especially for anything open world sucks ass in source 2, it's WORSE than source 1 and runs worse, you really do not want that shit

>>749060486
To be fair, they do let devs publish their s&box games on Steam as a standalone game, though I don't remember how many games have actually done so outside of My Summer Cottage. But why *would* you even do that? It's not Source 2, it's Facepunch's engine, which is a lot less mature and tested. And you still can't publish to Itch, GOG, or consoles. You might need to share revenue with Unreal and Unity but they also have much better documentation, plenty of tutorials, professional support and actually let you publish to consoles with little effort.

>>749080070
>To be fair, they do let devs publish their s&box games on Steam as a standalone game
what a gay way to say that you can export your game as an exe and the steam release needs approval from valve first
https://sbox.game/dev/doc/exporting/

>>749073585
you don't have to play roblox if you play s&box

>>749080308
current system does suck, but eventually they'll do away with that after they get it down

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>>749078473
Oi!, you wash your mouth before talking about the egg 'imself, mate!

>>749079650
The sandbox mode doesnt even work properly. Everything about this game is a pile of shit

>>749080308
Every game on steam needs approve from valve first. Like, the standalone release on s&box is done in a somewhat gay way, but valve's involvement is on par with any other game on steam.
But
>you need a standalone license from Facepunch
>Steam and beyond - release on other storefronts, provided your game releases on Steam first or at the same time
are worth pointing out. Second one mostly because valve blocks porn games and etc and it's unknown what happens next

>>749078964
You'd think ragdoll physics would get old eventually, but watching corpses getting launched into the sky and landing in weird places is still incredibly funny.

As someone who is a complete outsider to all of this, I'm gonna say this:
S&box is one of the worst fucking names I have ever heard for a video game. It's on the same dogshit level as 2XKO.
I get that he was aiming for "sandbox" but it doesn't fucking read that way, no human brain is gonna internally pronounce it as sandbox. Instead, the only way I can personally see the title is "ess and box". Before I've even looked at the game I can tell it's a turd from the title missing the mark entirely.

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>>749058892
He's reinventing Garry's Mod from scratch the old fashioned way.

I will give him credit for finally realizing the game is a pile of shit and that giving people free access only to take it away and make them pay for it was retarded.

>>749080538
what's broken about it? there's a thread on the forums with suggestions on how to fix it

>>749079267
Criticism is also important for the customer to avoid puchasing a faulty or dubious (or in the case of S&Box, both) product.

>>749080741
He should have called it Sawsaj Party (kid friendly spelling) and then people might have tolerated the dickheads. Also Sausage vaguely alludes to "Source Age"

>>749080895
Its fundamentally broken, from bottom to top.

>>749080985
seems to work fine for me, i can spawn and build things, what's fundamentally broken?

>>749081002
Youre just a retarded fuck.

>>749081054
i accept your concession

>>749081074
You will realize it one day that your brain is of a 10 year old

>>749081106
clearly given up

>>749081114
Yes its best that you give up.

>>749058892
GARRY IS AN ASSHOLE

>>749081002
It might technically "work" but it's barebones as fuck, lacks any ability to be anything remotely similar to gmod, has errors all the time from doing basic things, etc. It's just not a fun experience, even if you're trying to "gotcha" that other anon by saying "heh, works on my computer."

>>749081205
it does lack global addons yes, which is on the roadmap. but weapon and entity mod creation exists, so why is it barebones? garry wants that feedback so it can actually be fixed

>>749058892
back to Gmod so I can get my achievement

>>749063540
didn't half life alyx look absolutely fucking fine already? runs well and looks pretty good even without fancy ray tracing or other more modern rendering techniques. dunno how deadlock looks tho

Isn't the code for this thing open source?

whats stopping someone from creating a legit garrys mod 2 from its source code?

>n-nobody likes the sausage guys. i-i-i-i-if we were an indie studio you g-guys wouldnt have batted an eyelid
NIGGER. THEY LOOK LIKE SOMETHING A RETARDED 2008 TUMBLR KID WOULD SHIT OUT.
FUCK.
OFF.
NOBODY WAS EVER GONNA LIKE IT.

>>749081376
You could do it. But what is a legit Garry's mod 2? Entities? Because then everything facepunch has done has to be ripped out, and you're left with the closed source engine.

>>749081241
>it's on the roadmap
You say that as if that answers/clears all doubt. Pointing to criticism and saying "that's on the roadmap" is useless in this day and age with things like Project Zomboid's NPC project being "on the roadmap" yet not complete after 5-10 years, or fucking Star Citizen's roadmap of a roadmap of a roadmap concepts.
>why are tools that are sparse and lack deep configuration barebones??
Fuck off back to the discord, garry.

>>749059739
His apology was literally
>we made this AWESOME thing but people are too stupid to get it

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>>749081460
it's on the roadmap for this quarter

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I refuse to believe people hate this game just because the stupid sausage people. It can't be that shallow. There has to be more to it.

>>749059161
This. It's also only successful because it rode the coattails of HL2/TF2/CS:S. Not a single person would give a shit about it if it wasn't on the Source Engine and didn't have access to Valve's assets.

>>749081496
Oh wow! It's on the roadmap for this very quarter, damn I can't wait for it to come out for sure and fix everything about it, and make s&box the dream game Garry Newman promised and pushed all these years. Invest in s&box, bros, we're lifting off this quarter!

>>749081517
Its because Garry is a faggot.

>>749081626
I do think it was stupid to release the platform without them, his priorities have been really wack

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>>749081517
Its a big reason that turns people away at the door when you plaster it on the front. It of course is the least of the game's problems when you look deeper, but is probably the #1 reason people don't play it to begin with since they see it and dismiss it out of hand. Garry is a dumb retard and his thesis about "people suck" is flat out wrong and literally any game you can think of that has a concept of "play as either fantasy race, or human(oid)" has a clear trend of most people picking humans. There's a reason people love Garry's mod so much with all the default half life models, because (on top of being iconic) they are just regular looking people and most people enjoy playing stuff like that. The people who enjoy playing ugly characters exist certainly but are a vast minority to the previous group, and attempting to appeal to these people alone is a terrible strategy.

>>749058892
>I believe that if we were a small indie studio yadda yadda

No. Nidhogg 2 got deservedly shat on for the awful art style it adopted. Fuck off Garry jewman.
But I'm sure all that drama is to cover the much more aggravating things done with gmod2, like turning it into a fucking goyblox game with paid cosmetic and with Garry getting a cut off every single creations. EVERYTHING surrounding the sausage men is performative so the real suppository can enter the community's asshole unopposed when he takes them away to get brownie points. The proof is that it's the first thing he's talking about like if those dumb sausages were the main reason for the game spectacular failure.
FUCK OFF GARRY JEWMAN.

>>749081517
>clueless man posits tepid opinion in sea of reasons/answers
This thread has the reasons, look around you, the sausages are low-hanging fruit. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of reasons this game is performing horribly

>>749081741
>this game is performing horribly
That's also one of the reasons, it runs like ass

>>749081713
the worst of it is the massive repetition
>Idiot: WAOW, SAUSAGE UGLY LOL
>Garry: STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP MAKING FUN OF MY SAUSAGE
>Commenter: Hey garry, there's other more pressing issues with this ga-

>Idiot 2:BARF, LOOK AT WEINERMAN, LOL
>Garry: NOOO, STOOOOP IIIT, MY SAUSAGE LOOKS FINE
>Commenter: Uhm, garry, listen, there's-

>Idiot 3: BAD DESIGN, UGH, WHY CARTOON HOTDOG?!?!
>Garry: WAAAAHHH, YOU ALL HAVE BAD OPINIONS,
>Commenter: GARRY, HEAR ME-

>Garry: Fine, fuck you, bye bye sausages? OK? HAPPY NOW? jeez
Nobody is happy.

>>749081831
I was howling when I saw that one of the biggest update/community effort is about bringing all that makes Gmod great into S&box so you can play Gmod in a game that demands fifteen times the computing power to run.
And for what, so Garry the cunt can make a shit update down the road that breaks everything same way he did in Gmod? Jews ruin everything good whenever it runs well without them being at the center of the attention. That's why you shouldn't give him anything not even an inch. If after years the game's fixed HE WILL fuck it up to become again the focal point of everyone's discussions.

>>749058942
That isn’t Todd Howard though

>>749074880
so garry got fuck you money and he's an ass who won't change his mind, this game is doomed

>>749081496
That's EGS "no shopping cart" tier retardation, why the fuck did this retard released the "engine" without them?

>>749059739
Having humility would be simply admitting his 'vision' isn't what people wanted in the first place and making changes to suit the players tout suite, not after all this time. Having humility would be acknowledging that all of his previous vitriol and hatred for anyone giving legitimate criticisms was unfounded. Having humility would be accepting the responsibility of the shitty path he walked, the dumbass decisions he made, and the attitude he brought with him on every aspect of its release. None of that was addressed in any meaningful manner beyond "I did what I wanted, and not what the players wanted. I see that now." Every ounce of his shit-flinging, passive-aggressive, and stoic snark has come back to bite him in the ass hard, and he had no recourse but to lay this out in a vain attempt to half-assedly sidestep his responsibilities while still trying to do damage control.

But then again, anyone with 2 brain cells can see this for what it is, so where are your two brain cells?

>>749081935
>people shit on sausages
>garry refuses to listen
>people continue shitting on sausages
>garry refuses to listen
>years pass of people shitting on sausages
>garry finally explains why they're wrong with a blogpost containing weird as fuck arguments/explanations
>people continue shitting on sausages
>garry creates an internal discord poll for his yesmen on whether to change sausages; yesmen vote NO GARRY! :)
>people continue shitting on sausages
>game released and it's absolute shit, no one buys it
>people continue shitting on sausages
>garry refuses to listen
>people continue shitting on sausages
>company meanwhile hemorrhaging money every month
>finally "OKAY FINE WE'LL CHANGE SAUSAGES FUCK YOU I LIKE THEM THEY'RE GOOD YOU'RE WRONG BUT FINE FUCK YOU"
>creates a new design that ignores most criticism and focuses entirely on slightly altering neck of the sausages
it's all so very funny to see unfold

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>>749082124
>so where are your two brain cells?
Sold for a crown

>>749082190
Shouldn't side hustles generate profit?

>>749082224
the point is that they generate infinite money from rust and gmod so they can pour money into the hole that is s&box to use it in the future for their own games

>>749082190
Garry is the human version of a tech company. It's no wonder his "apologies" is just shifting the blame on the consumer.

Launching some kind of lite game engine that is not free in era of free-ish powerful engines already available for years was big mistake, imo. It's literally Concord of game engines.

>>749082248
It's not a good engine, though. This is a giant cope. They've proven they can't build games, so why would celebrating them building their shit engine alleviate concern? And if s&box really was a side hustle that didn't need to be profitable, why is garry freaking out about it being unprofitable and garbage? You can't cut it both ways: it's either a pure money sink R&D to create an investment for the future, or it's a game that you're seeking to make profitable and doing free weekends, changing designs around to increase profitability, etc., in an attempt to make it profitable. Garry clearly is stressed by it not succeeding; if its success didn't matter at all to their plans, this anxiety wouldn't be present.

>>749082416
they've proven rust and gmod isn't successful?