This game is so objectively perfect its boring and I kind of love that.
>>749059232>artifact back trackyeesh.
>backtrack the game>perfect
>dude just look at every single pixel in every room and press the scan buttonThey took the "bomb every tile" thing too far.
>>749059232Reminds me of Ico in that sense
>>749059516dude yes good analogy
>>749059232The attention to detail, like Samus' skeletal arms in X-Ray or the thermal visor overloading in Magmoor, always keep me immersed no matter how many times I play.>>749059292>>749059309>Unlock powers>Use them to solve puzzles>Get rewarded for paying attention to detail and all the notes you've picked up on your ScannerYou have to explain WHY backtracking is bad.
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>>749059391I love poring over every pixel in this game it's beautiful!
>>749059668>You have to explain WHY backtracking is bad.It's boring, slow, and I already completed every area. The way this is doled out as a surprise at the end of the game is a slap to the face>but you're supposed to have advanced knowledge on your second play through and get 4/14 artifacts through normal progressionGreat, I'll remember that next time I don't play this game because once was enough. At no point was the game fun, the combat interesting, the scanning satisfactory, the platforming and movement interesting.
>>749059781When people say they like Prime 2 is it purely because of the "I LOVE how much it hurts!" factor with the overtuned bosses or is it a more general love? I think Torvus was the only map that matched Prime 1's levels' atmosphere.
>>749059668Examples:bad backtracking
>>749059232It's almost perfect,but the Chozo ghosts get annoying to fight and I find backtracking through Magmoor Caverns to be tedious around the last third of the game. But man, this game is awesome.
>>749059668good backtracking
>>749059817>Boring, slowNot with all your new tools making you more powerful and faster. Use the Boost Ball, use the Plasma Beam to melt shit into thin air, it's fucking awesome. Skill issue to be quite honest.>already completed every areaThat's your mentality treating a video game like a grocery list instead of an adventure. If you don't like being in the environments this was never the game for you.>AdjectivespamI thought the game was enjoyable, the combat exciting, the scanning engaging, and the platforming and movement well-done, personally.
>>749059895Prime 2 has better graphics, better music, better level design, better enemy variety, better bosses, better abilities, better difficulty, and even has decent multiplayer. I got a lot of mileage out of the multiplayer, we played it a lot between Smash Bro matches.
>>749059817how is it a surprise? you can go to the artifact temple pretty much as soon as you land on tallon IV and scan the artifacts for the clues
>>749059817>I already completed every area.This is the goyetic mindset that led to games no longer having lives and giving you a linear smell trail by the way.
>>749059232eh not quite perfecti just replayed it this week and the rock boss was really long and kinda lamealso space pirates sometimes just clusterfuck around you and make it hard to seebesides that its a phenomenal game and a strong contender for best 2d to 3d transition
>>749060238Prime would be better if it was a linear game, they would have to make it fun instead of relying on backtrack slop to waste your time.
>>749060275>I wish this game played itselfWe know, cattle. We know.
>>749060308It already does, you don't even have to aim and it's an FPS.
>>749059232I remember playing it for an hour or so after hearing the rave 10/10 reviews for the remaster. Couldn’t bring myself to continue it was so below mid.
>>749060335Aiming is the least interesting part of FPS games, unless of course you're cattle.
>>749060376Prime would have been improved if it had anything interesting about it, but unfortunately they made sure to sand off all the edges.
>>749060335>i only want to click heads when i play in first personfag
>>749060420>I only want to scan and read retconned text blurbs when I play in first personYawn.
>>749059232>objectively perfectvalue is subjective you fucking moron
>>749060051>better level design>better abilitiesYou get three beams throughout the entire game, and they're all shit. And you spend half of the game in the Dark Aether, which is extremely linear and not interconnected at all. Just random isolated dungeons. You can praise the atmosphere and bosses but it objectively had some of the worst level design and upgrade progression in the entire franchise
>>749060406Sanding off the edges would be making a linear series of hallways where you point and click on targets behind cover, which is what you want all games to be. The reason being is simple: you're cattle.
>>749060489They may have to make a game with challenge and interesting progression instead of the awkward back tracking we got. Imagine that, a game that's actually challenging and demands something from the player beyond how much boring bullshit are they willing to put up with. You ever play a game that's actually fun?
>>749060460>knowing whats happening is badstop consuming propaganda
>>749060582>it's only fun if I'm led through a linear series of hallways and click on stationary targetsIt's not even a joke at this point, you're just genuinely subhuman.
>>749060686Enemies that can actually threaten you and force you to adapt, metroidfags seem to be terrified of actual gameplay.
>>749059292>>749059309AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!I need to play the game more!!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!!!!
>>749059232pic unrelated
>>749060582I really don't understand what about the environments you go through having the same names as earlier gets your panties so bent in a twist.
>>749060761>wow this game was dogshit from start to finish>the enemies are boring, the bosses suck and the exploration is dog shit back trackingFiller gameplay is filler gameplay.
>>749060820There's literally countless games made for your exact kind of retardation.
if you don't enjoy backtracking with new items to unlock things previously not accessible, then why are you playing a metroid game?
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>>749060742>Enemies that can actually threaten you and force you to adaptI'm sure the space pirates in the mines don't count for some arbitrary reason.
>>749060902Unfortunately I've seen that meme already anon, therefore looking at it is too boring and meaningless.
>>749060958Oh the bullet sponges? No, they don't count as a challenge because they aren't one.
>>749060897You gotta understand the guy hating Metroid Prime in this thread genuinely loves retarded console shooters. The kinds of actual hallway simulators with the lowest form of gameplay imaginable, that's his favorite and I'm not joking.
>>749061045>smert games for smert gamers, like nintendo metroid gamesWe're really doing this bit?
>>749060989This is the kind of game you like, enough said.
>>749060989>enemy doesnt die in a single head clickgod damn you are insufferable
>>749061130Infinitely more exciting than Metroid Prime, although getting hit on easy mode like that is sad anon.
>>749060275This is why I prefer Prime 4, it doesn't waste your time with backtracking.
>>749059232I'll never forget first time landing on tallon 4 and going through the phazon mines.
>>749061218They were much more honest with the time wasting garbage and low quality gameplay in that one.
>>749061206I don't know which is funnier: the fact you don't recognize it's set to normal or the fact you think that's good gameplay. Either way definitely the smartest MP hater.
>>749061098The more you insist on having an issue with something nobody else does, the easier it gets to blame your personal ADHD anon
>>749061227For me it's going through the Pirate base in Phendrana and activating the celestial observatory by turning the power back on. The game is just really good at organically making you stop and take in the sights.
>>749059292filtered
>>749061307I've never played the game on a difficulty lower than hard, you sure showed me how skilled you are normal difficulty guy.>>749061308We've already ran a defensive playback over half of metroid prime, I guess its boring perfection just isn't the winning formula you thought it was.
>>749061443>I've never played the game on a difficulty lower than hardIs that supposed to be impressive? The game is made for literal retards regardless. Its core gameplay is perfectly designed for someone like you who very clearly has issues navigating 3D space on his own.
>>749061554>Is that supposed to be impressive?It's clearly made you feel inferior, which you are.>The game is made for literal retards regardlessAnd Prime isn't? Come on anon, be serious. It's a Nintendo baby game. It's meant to handhold you and first time players who need help doing things like moving the camera around.>very clearly has issues navigating 3D space on his ownWhite people be like the quiet sadness of navigating 3D metroid spaces
>>749060465>You get three beams throughout the entire game, and they're all shit.Wrong right off the rip. They're all stronger, and the ammo lends itself into alternating between guns way better than Prime 1 ever does. In Prime 1 you get a new beam and you're using that as a linear upgrade path unless you need to open a door, then you just go through the motions, switch, open door, switch back to your plasma. Rinse repeat. Ammo limits allow for guns to be really powerful, the annihilator beam is allowed to be extremely strong. There's nothing in Prime 1 as satisfying as applying light beam or annihilator beam to a bubble and having it instantly kill the Ing.>And you spend half of the game in the Dark Aether, which is extremely linear and not interconnected at all.Entirely the wrong mentality, because you don't "spend a lot of time in one overworld" you spend all of your time jumping between dimensions, where everything is completely integrated. It also adds the benefit of oppressive immersion, and hostile alien environments. You can hear heart beats in the dark world. It's an inhospitable environment, you're a foreign intruder. There's also the overwhelming sense of empowerment that comes from obtaining the light suit, which in effect gives a feeling of having conquered this harsh and threatening world.>it objectively had some of the worst level design and upgrade progression in the entire franchiseAbsolutely incorrect. Level design is very strong, when you obtain a new ability it immediately opens up a shortcut. One of the first you get is space jump, and you walk into the next room and drop down to the portal to leave back to where you need to go. You could jump up the ledge to return if you need. When you obtain boost ball you can take the half pipe into a tunnel to the seeker missiles, AND it doubles as a shortcut to the beginning of the game as well. The entire game is like this.
>>749060897The backtracking in Prime 1 is tedious because you have to go back and forth down a linear pathway (magmoor) multiple times. Prime 2's modular design avoids this. The 2D games like Super usually have you loop around to where you need to be, and it's also faster to get around in those games. It's not backtracking that's the problem- Prime 1 just handles it poorly. Still love Prime 1 btw.
>>749061687>It's clearly made you feel inferior, which you are.Your people reading skills are about on par with your gaming abilities.>And Prime isn't?Clearly not since it filtered you.>White people be likeLeast surprising brown reveal in history.
>>749061443All you've done is spout some nonsense about "replaying levels you've already done" which is disingenuous because every time you go back to a previous section it's for the purposeful factor of unlocking a new region in it. Completing the puzzle to unlock the Plasma Beam in Magmoor isn't "replaying Magmoor". >But what about muh elevators and-It's exploration. It's supposed to feel weighted and inconvenient. This is the same thing everyone praised DS1 for before later installments ruined everything by slapping checkpoints every twelve steps for people with ADHD. Like you.
>>749061786>The 2D games like Super usually have you loop around to where you need to beI dont get why this is so hard for Prime 1 fags to grasp. Super does it well, it does it really well. Prime 2 tries earnestly to replicate that, in ways Prime 1 never achieves.
>>749060897prime 1's backtracking is just worseit's slow and tedious and takes much longer>t. has played every metroid game
>>749061834>Your people reading skillsThere's just not much to read off of you. The whole disaffected guy who really hates not-nintendo but gets angrily defensive and obsessive over nintendo is played out and lets be real here bud, we both know there's not much else there.>Clearly not since it filtered you.Filtered me to the end credits.>Least surprising brown reveal in history.White people be like least surprising inherent sadness of metroid prime>>749061881You already know which parts of the game suck to play lol. It's actually funny how rehearsed the flaws are for this game, just because you recount them doesn't mean they no longer apply anon. You can figure that out. Salt doesn't become unsalty just by remembering it's salty.
>>749059292>>749059309>Waaaaaah! I NEED new content! Replay the same area!? Why would I ever do that???? I can ONLY do anything ONCE so I can keep my brain fueled with dopamine from novelty!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEI'd love the meltdown you have from playing JRPGs where you have to fight the same monsters a dozen times.
>>749062102I don't mind this.
>>749062076>xhe actually browses reddit and looks for things to rage atLeast subhuman linear hallway FPS fan.>Salt doesn't become unsalty just by remembering it's salty.Is this like a proverb in Bangladesh or something?
>>749061881NTA but Prime 1 is filled to the brim with time wasting nonsense that the developers have confirmed in interviews they did on purpose because they were dreadfully afraid the game would be too short otherwise. I will list some:-Obtaining the boost ball begets traveling all the way across the overworld back to the landing sight to obtain space jump boots which begets traveling all the way back across the overworld to get wave beam-Getting grapple beam begets traveling all the way across the overworld to get plasma beam and then traveling all the way across the overworld to get phason suit grabbing xray visor on the wayThere are no shortcuts to be used during these parts! there's just retreading magmoor caverns because it's the only thing connecting all these disparate areas together.Not to mention generally >>749059918 anon's image depicts consecutive back and forth through hallways with nothing having changed at all in the first area of the game. It makes all the upgrades feel very ineffectual and token, a piecemeal facsimile of a Metroid game.and I have to mention tedious tricks such as the ice beam door outside the room you obtain ice beam, which would send you back and forth through a submerged tunnel moving slow as molasses until the game graciously informs you to go ALL THE WAY across the overworld for gravity suit and ALL THE WAY BACK again through that same submerged tunnel. EGREGIOUS, on PURPOSE. because fuck you. Metroid Prime is "all the way across the overworld": The Game
>>749062343>which would send you back and forth through a submerged tunnel moving slow as molasses until the game graciously informs you to go ALL THE WAY across the overworld for gravity suit and ALL THE WAY BACK again through that same submerged tunnel. EGREGIOUS, on PURPOSE.Gaming was better when developers did things like this. The concept of "QoL" and "respecting my hecking time" has completely sanded away unforgettable moments like this.
>>749062278>Least subhumanThanks, recognizing your superiors takes some time. The desperation to outgroup is just pathetic too, I'm already an outgroup. I'm shitting on your game, don't be redundant in an attempt to own someone it's so shallow and pathetic.>Is this like a proverb Don't think too hard.
>>749062470>I'm already an outgroup.Believe me, I know.>Don't think too hard.Is that your mantra in life?
>>749059292>>749059309>t. born after 2005
>>749061227kino of the highest order
>>749062596I was born in '96. The backtracking in Prime sucks.
>>749063095Gay
Stupid sexy ball
it's boring alright.
>>749063817Kek
How can it be perfect if osmosis Metroids suck ass, the combat is garbage and the last boss fight is one of the worst in the entire series?
I love how these threads die as soon as an anon completely dismantles other anon's arguments so completely.
>>749059292Mildly annoying but in a short game like Prime it's not that bad. The GC prime games are about as long as any of the 2D games.
>>749063817I respect your efforts, ballposter.
>>749065302Who won this time Prime?
>>749065302Yeah there's really nothing to say about metroid these days. Just post porn and get it over with, at least we can say there's a thread on 4chan so nintendo keeps their mindshare of the board.
>>749059292If you're not a shitter you can get almost all of them on your way through the game normally
>>749065895If you know about them in advance, sure. Not particularly useful information for a first time clear.
>>749062343Learn English faggot
>>749063095you're a fake fan
>>749066048fuck you, Prime 1 is a great game, but I can acknowledge its faults.
>>749065976ironic
>>749059232I recently replayed it and while I have a few minor gripes with like the difficulty scaling or whatever (it's pretty much impossible to die before Phazon Mines if you're trying) I finally found out why I always capped out at about 80% completion on previous playthroughs. People whine about the artifacts but you can clean a lot of house while pressing forward with a bit of curiosity. What ACTUALLY sucks is walking back through the world to clean up shit that requires the plasma beam or x-ray visor when you can just walk into the Impact Crater instead. That's the shit I don't want to backtrack for because fuck it, the end of the game's right there if you were paying attention, but with those two powers it's like a memory check on shit you might have seen 70% of the game ago but couldn't interact with it. That shit sucks, and it's not like you need it because the one actually valuable powerup is energy tanks and the last one should be falling into your lap 5 seconds after killing the Omega Pirate. It's all missiles and power bombs, whoopee.
>>749065302Happens often to the resident Metroid Prime hater, he's just not very bright.
>>749063817SARGE
>>749066359Missile upgrades in Prime 1 are actually worth itMissile cancelling and Beam combos burn through them very fast
>>749066579You don't need the like 8 or so missile expansions that you're missing, you still probably have around 200 missiles without that runback. It's not useless but come on, you can work with that.
>>749059232>Oh cool a new powerup, I remember that one room early on>ERM ACTUALLY YOU NEED THE NEXT POWERUP>oh cool I got the next powerup, maybe I can finally progre->ERM ACTUALLY YOU NEED THE NEXT NEXT POWERUPI hate this game so fucking much, I don't remember super ever pulling this bullshit
>>749065921Let me guess, you're not INTJ
>>749060051>better musiclol lmao
>>749068649NTA but I have believed for over two decades now that Metroid's music peaked with Torvus Bog. Do not bother attempting a counterargument, it will not work.
>>749059232OST still incredible almost a quarter century later.
>>749068845This is kind of a weird statement lol. It's not like gamecube audio was bad.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK IM GOING TO PUKE IF I STAY ANY LONGER
>>749068649>>749068784and then there's the Maridia remix under Torvus bog which is great
has anyone made a pc port of prime 1 or 2 yet?
>>749067591>Meyers BriggsBased
>>749062343I almost ragequit the game when I got to the bottom of the sunken ship, thinking "of course the gravity suit must be down here, allowing me to easily return to the top", only to be met with NOPE, GO NO FURTHER IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE GRAVITY SUIT and having to slowly go alllll the way back up with shitty platforming
>>749062343>send you back and forth through a submerged tunnel moving slow as molasses until the game graciously informs you to go ALL THE WAY across the overworld for gravity suit and ALL THE WAY BACK again through that same submerged tunneli think the idea is to explore the spaceship from the very start of the game in a completely different way and feeling how underpowered you are underwater, which then sets up how much more powerful you feel when you return with the gravity suit. if you just went there straght away with the gravity suit it would not be as memorable
>>749070706haha, I did the same on my first playthrough too.
>>749070767>and feeling how underpowered you aregod they need to innovate Metroid
>>749070706>>749070768At least you get an energy tank for it.
>>749062102>>Waaaaaah! I NEED new content! Replay the same area!? Why would I ever do that???? I can ONLY do anything ONCE so I can keep my brain fueled with dopamine from novelty!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEUnironically this.
>>749059781speak what?
>>749062343>>749070706skill issue
>This game is so objectively perfect>console shooterOP's IQ must be about 50 or lower
>>749071965Game's only nominally a shooter, kinda like early Resident Evil.
>>749071965It's a First Person Adventure
