Between Luck and Charisma, which is the most useless stat in a videogame?
>>749109728Luck and Charisma may as well not exist in a game where you can savescum rolls and checks.
>>749109843You mean games like Fallout 3?
Luck is an adjective, not a noun.
>>749109931luck my dick faggot
>>749109843savescumming is cheating.
>>749109931Wisdom 10Int 0
>>749109728Charisma, unless it affects how many companions you can have.
>>749109931Lucky is the adjective form retard
>>749109931What do you think an adjective is
>>749109728Charisma just makes the game easy mode with dialog skips
>Luck is tied to some probability of doing damage or god forbid it affects the drop rate of items which already have a shitty discovery percentage anyways >Charisma affects how NPCs react to you or barter discounts which may as well be bullshit because doing quests and impacting the world already affects their disposition and the game will end anyways so its not like you need to be rich anyways They both suck.
>>749109728For me.All LuckNo INT.
>play Fallout 2>10 Luck>Jinxed>the guns of early level enemies literally explode in their hands and a feral dog killed itself by trying to bite me
>>749109931God damn you're stupid.
>>749109843Huh?
>>749109843So literally every single CRPG ever because they're all jank pieces of shit with the worst balance and coherence of design of any genre ever made?
>>749109728Usually charisma. Charisma normally just helps you avoid fights or stealth sections and better shop prices, whereas luck usually affects crit chance and drop rates. I'd rather go with luck most times.This of course, completely depends on the game.
>>749109993>>749110012>>749110053>>749110076>>749110176I was hoping people were smart enough to understand my high IQ comment. I guess they aren't. And no, I will not explain it.
>>749110256Cope retard.
>>749110236In CRPGs CHAfaggotry is the player making basic bitch logical arguments and every enemy NPC is reduced to an easily brainwashed retard dipshit moron who will kill themselves or let you win if you point out the most basic 90 iq midwit shit. CHAfaggotry is the ultimate display of being a midwit who thinks he wins every forum "debate". The Amazing Atheists of gaming.
>>749109728depends on the game. CHA is dogshit in fallout new vegas however CHA and CHA based classes in BG3 are all extremely powerful and serve as great faces.
>>749109843This is why in FNV you straight up don't get certain events/dialogue options if you don't reach certain values of those stats.Doing it that way makes more sense in a videogame anyway, since you can savescum.
>>749110234I don't know why you're being hostile. I just gave my opinion you loser.>>749109996If the devs didn't bother forcing the game to save immediately after the dice roll then they knowingly allowed it as an optional way to play. Peace.
>>749110329>BG3queer
>>749110387nothing gayer than living your life according to idpol on 4chan
>>749110184Why has there been no media like a movie or game depicting this man's insane life? He was an asshole piece of shit, but time has given us an eternal jester.
>>749110368Im not being hostile im agreeing with you lmao, crpgs suck ass.
Correct build for any RPG:>human male fighter>maxed CHA>rest of points in physical stats>recruit only female NPCsIf you're not roleplaying a gigachad why even roleplay?
>>749110387Let me guess, you got "tricked" into sucking the wizards dick.
>>749109728I dont like charisma builds because in most games they feel almost like a cheat "i win" button.>having to do a sidequest to win a factions trust? Nope, just pick the charisma dialogue choice and now everyone loves me>enemies trapped me and im surrounded? Nope, just pick the charisma dialogue and skip the entire combat encounter>need to sneak around security and infiltrate an enemy base? Nope, just pick the charisma dialogue and walk in like you own the place>two party members hate each other and you have to pick a side and potentially lose one of them? Nope, just pick the charisma dialogue and now they are best friends and everything is resolved forever
>nothing gayer than living your life according to idpol on 4chan
>>749110493>real life race: mexicanYou crave the things you will never have, my swarthoid friend
>>749110515They all suck ass. Heres every CHAfaggot "option">IM GOING TO KILL YOU AND EVERYONE HERE>[Logic: 100] if you kill everyone here, you must also kill yourself, because you too are here.>AAGGHH I HAVE LOST >*kills self immediately*CHA options reduce every villain and antagonist to someone with no real convictions.
Gaming comics and reddit seem to have a lot of fun with their made up luck and charisma stats.Usually its just a medicore crit chance increase that's going to be dwarfed by equipment and like 20% off of vendors that won't matter past early game
>>749110559The charicature in your image wouldn't use gay as an insult. Holy shit you guys say we can't meme?
>>749110387KYS /pol/tard, go back to your twitter thread
>>749110646New Vegas final boss being reduced to "oh I never thought about basic supplies being important in a war WHILE BEING A GENERAL. GUESS I LEAVE" is beyond retarded and I refuse to belive anyone above 30 iq doesn't think is goofy
>>749110871that's a Fallout trope. It was equally stupid in the first game and in Fallout 3 (as /v/ constantly complains about)
>>749110646Fallout 1 is still the only one of these that sort of works.I guess 2 as well, but that's just convincing a squad to turncoat
>>749110321To be fair, convincing people usually is just a basic bitch argument. However, presentation matters immensely in conversation. Even if you have a great point, nobody will listen if you communicate it poorly. Conversely, even if your argument is absolutely retarded, people will listen if you phrase it well and speak with conviction.The problem is that just like a writer writing a character smarter than themselves is difficult, writing dialogue for a character that is more convincing than themselves is basically impossible. So yeah, it almost always looks stupid and just allows your character to command someone to do something, which is usually, at best, just to avoid a minor inconvenience.
>>749110515>>749110646Charisma was so broken in Baldurs Gate 3 it wasnt even funny.I decided to replay it as a low charisma class and had much more fun having to actually deal with problems instead of just solving everything through dialogue
>>749110871The first time I encountered Lanius with 100 speech I went through all of that dialogue and reloaded a save. It's incredibly unsatisfying.
>>749110871No its an incredibly human flaw to be so fixated on the then and now, a current adversary or problem and ignore the future ramifications it can pose to you.
>>749110981Dnd sucks off party faces to an insane degree. Pretty much all chr classes are overpowered They really should just redo the whole system system at this point if they want players to want to talk to npcs and not be forced to invest points into it.Idk make it a skill or something and cut chr as a core stat or something.Maybe base chr which then gets a half a stat bonus from str int or wis when determing if you are intimating, trying to rely information, or feel out how the other person would respond
>>749109728Fallout and TES both independently made Luck into an all-rounder stat for generalist type characters: improves every chance slightly (also advances the critical effects table in Fallout). I think it should be stronger though if creating a generalist character is the intent with it, because the percent increases it grants are tiny.
>>749110871CRPGs are written by the same people who become discord mods. Charisma should be restricted to more party slots, lower prices in stores, higher sale value, resolving quests through bargaining. It falls apart when they try to apply it to dialogue with people that are supposed to be your actual enemy. Peaceful resolution is rarely possible and tends to come down to severe compromise, its hard for a game to do that so instead they settle for silly shit like you pointing out theyre a hypocrite when that would just make them kill you faster. It removes the human element where people are irrational, stupid, obstinate, or just plan on being bad or violent even if you point out its wrong. Its fine to do this occasionally but theres a pressure to make the entire game work like this. People talk about how Frank Horrigan ignores every attempt at persuasion, we'll thats how most people are.
>>749111125Nigga its supplies.This is not a small oversight a general wod make.Its stupid and forced in for le epic speech builds, its okay to admit its stupid.They should have just copied fallout 2 and let you convince a guy to switch sides or rangers to ball up and help you
>>749109728Maxing out luck is how you get booted from the casinos in about an hour, which lets you buy things like the anti material rifle from the start of the game and clear out the quarry to power level
>>749110457There's no movie about the two guys who crossed america in a shitty primitive car with a dog in the first cross-country race either.
>>749111204Its not just supplies its holding all the territory with the troops, logistics and time it takes without problems like rebellion or guerilla factions or troops losing morale. Even Ancient Rome knew this and the dudes model their beliefs on them. Its a 17 year old game, play it for once.
>>749110981Playing as a wizard and having to rely on reading minds with Detect Thoughts instead of normal charisma speech checks was pretty cool.
>>749110871yeah there should've been some kind of evidence requirement for the speech checks to work out, like how you needed proof mutants can't reproduce to convince the master his plan sucked.
>>749111404You're retarded but its okay so is lanius
>>749111429I'm too paranoid to use detect thoughts, I always worry that they'll notice and it'll turn into a fight.
>>749111404>Even Ancient Rome knew this and the dudes model their beliefs on themThen why would the Legion not have been prepared for it?
>>749110559>man who dresses up wojacks as homosexuals - I'm totally not a faggot guysI bet you have a sizable folder of images of gay men and transexuals too.
>>749111556It uses an Int check so it's a nice way to pass dialogue checks as a wizard.
[Speech 100] Oh East? I thought you said "Weast"
>>749111404>game goes out of its way to tell you how bloodthirsty and crazy lanius is.>he marches thousands of miles for glory and honor>greeting possibly the guy who killed his sworn emperor >sprints at you ready for combat>"who's going to watch the roads chud?">"sheeeeeeeiiiiiiit"Its fucking stupid, and you are too.
charisma is often used for casters in some sense luck is always lame
>>749111687huh I figured it would just be detected without a check, so I never bothered to try it. if my next run wasn't going to be an honor mode run I'd make the face a bladesinger, but I'm probably just gonna stick to a bard for the face because it's simply too good not to run in a setting with permadeath.
>>749111467Its a 17 year old game. Play. It. >>749111557Because its human fallibility and the entire theme of Fallout is humans falling into the same flaws and trappings the Old World did.
>>749111809If there were more actual morons and truly bloodthirsty lunatics and conspiratorial jews playing real games with people for things like profit and power a guy pointing something like that out would accomplish literally fucking nothing. It just devalues them as antagonists and makes the entire ordeal seem a farce to begin with.>these genocidal lunatic morons rampaged through miles with melee weapons >I'll point out theyre running low on MREs, that'll solve this problem and solve it forever >oh look, they collapsed after the fact :)Genius, 10/10 writing, the greatest story ever told in gaming history.
>>749111975So the Legion planned to invade the NCR but turned away because they realized it would be logistically difficult at the last second? That's what you're saying?Either the whole game is retarded or the speech dialogue is, you have to pick one.
>>749111975It doesn't make sense for what kind of charater lanius is or actually irl.People do not just go "uh duh, well gee guess I have egg on my face. You are right, we do need to eat" "alright my thousands of soilders pack it up, we did an oopies woopies"In reality even if he did forgot about extremely basic ideas such as uhhh you need people to actually guard the shit you take. He would care, its far far far too late.But you're too autistic and think humans act like this.Its retarded.That anon was right, chr is reddit as fuck if you think a single conversation is enough to make someone Steven universe go home
>>749110646I think the only way to make this work without changing dialogue drastically is doing the F1 approach where it hides options until you get a certain skill level.I also remember a simple mod for FNV where it removes the stat checker in front of dialogue options and just has the line like normal. Since FNV has failure dialogue be different from success it actually made me pay attention a little more to the dialogue to see if something was a good choice or not.A shame I already played FNV a billion times, but it made me think that if I played for the first time with that mod I wouldn't know about how broken something like speech really is and it would have made me more engaged with the dialogue options. Could people still look these things up? Yeah but fuck 'em, players who look up guides on first playthroughs are subhuman and should rope + cope.
>>749109728>Ranged weapons scale with luck>Followers scale with charisma Literally nothing wrong with this
>>749111975Fallability is a failed invasion wherein your logistics fall through, despite your preparations and best knowledge.Fallability is not forgetting that invasions come with logistics issues. That's profound retardation.
>>749112624This film wasn't meant to be comedic by the way
>>749112762Its so funny that this guy is talking about human nature or whatever sniffing his own farts like lanius is some deep villian that really shows the failure of rome or whatever.Like a realistic logistics issue would be typpon season seas making a transport vessal collide losing a good amount of supplies but nah lanius is more like "he forgot people need stuff to live??? And territory needs people on it????"Its just a lazy quick we have a speech option.
>>749110256Is it that luck isn't a person's trait like strength or intelligence, but something external?
All in on INT, LUCK, and CHAR at the expense of every stat that's relevant to surviving combat.
Luck is THE single most important stat to have high points in IRL. Prove me wrong.
>>749113548Emphasis on the word "profound" in my post. It's seriously deeply stupid and demonstrates the inherent flaw in there always being a speech option. I don't even believe the writers were stupid enough to think it was compelling, but they needed something because of the expectation of said speech option. Logos is the only appeal that could ever win someone like Lanius over, so I see their angle, it's just that the reality of the scenario is that it doesn't make sense to talk him out of it at all.I know I'm preaching to the choir but geez man.
>>749109728Luck because usually you at least know what Charisma does.
>>749114206Trying way too hardActual reddit behavior
>>749110871That isn't what happens, but the context for that conversation is subtly hidden across the game. And while that context completely justifies the option, it's still poor game design and lame in general.Would be much cooler if it worked like Arcanum, and your PC actually needed to learn all the relevant information to even get the option to talk him down. Maybe incorporate the mind map mechanics from Pathologic 2, actually give speech/charisma builds distinct gameplay.
>>749111125Yes, but there are solutions to that especially if you have experience with this matter and stop to think about it.>>749111404>its no just supplies ...its logisticsA lot of logistics is supplies + travel time, but sure it goes deeper here. In game they literally talk about supply lines and resupply, foraging, and pillaging. The Courier can get at the greater idea that California is not self sufficient it's a desert that needs trading their skills with caravans for there to even be food to live. The argument is that the NCR is dying now from what the Legion did, and if the Legion marches in there then the caravans won't come. It's just going to be desperate starving people fighting the Legion for a prize of basically nothing, dead land with no people of value any more to be worth enslaving. But Lanius can raid without committing to staying there, or demand tribute, or map out a logistical path to take key valuable places that do have supplies while he's still backed up by the resupply logistics he mentions that he has.>its holding all the territoryThat could be an issue, but there are simple fixes.>problems like rebellionThat could be an issue, but there are very simple fixes to that which they've already done.>guerilla factionsYes that is an issue without completely simple fixes. Still fixable and they've done it before.>troops losing moraleDo you really think that is likely based on talking to legionnaires? That doesn't really happen in the endings except where they're defeated. Arguably though legion winning and becoming more decadent more NCR after their conquest is an issue if the intention is to keep them as a warrior horde, but I don't think Lanius thinks of this, that's something Caesar would ponder.>Even Ancient Rome knew this and the dudes model their beliefs on themYou realize that Rome succeeded in becoming a huge empire right? They overcame logistical problems and they didn't even have cars, trains, planes, and vertibirds.
a lot of autistic overthinking for, "we need a failsafe for speech characters"
All on luck baybeh! Rev up those extra turns and reload attacks
>>749115420You need a fail state, not a failsafe.
>>749112624fucking jej
>>749115527the absence of the speech check would be the fail state
>>749109843I mean, you can just not do that.Just because you CAN doesn't mean you HAVE to. Impulsive behavior is nigger-like.
>>749112098No, their absolute monarch Caesar launched a boondoggle from a combination of sunk cost and a brain tumor. Lanius just got back from an equally horrible campaign in the East, and had little faith in this one. The NCR is only weak in the Mojave because the ogligarchs back home are strong-arming the government to keep most troops defending their borders/assets. Caesar and Lanius know this, even if the former is delusional.It's a risky and costly campaign, even if they would likely win.
>>749110871> "oh I never thought about basic supplies being important in a war WHILE BEING A GENERAL. GUESS I LEAVE"It has issues, but it isn't quite THAT stupid. The courier can bring up supplies and logistics and Lanius has a good answer for that: supply lines, foraging, and pillaging. The courier needs even greater skill and an even better argument. WIth high enough barter the courier can argue that invading is going to destroy the trade that the NCR uses to even stay alive, and Lanius would just be spending so many legion lives in order to gain a mostly dead land, slaughter people, and gain slaves who will mostly die from starvation. Lanius realizes he has seen a situation like this before and that it can be a problem.The problem is that the sensible answer to this is to have a better plan for get value and destroy your rivals without sacrificing a great deal of your lives and military power. The answer usually isn't to just cede power and give opportunity to rebuild to a dangerous enemy, unless you then make some kind of tribute deal where the NCR would pay the Legion and be a Legion ally in order to have peace. The game is a little dumb for not getting at this, but the idea is more than just 'the general didn't think of supply lines'. The general did at least think of supply lines.
>>749109728Ideally a good luck stat in a RPG setting should modify how you interact with the world on a enviromental level, and not be restricted to just>better loot>better crit chance>better persuasion chanceand we don't even have half of those in F4. The only small thing that could differ if you have high luck is regarding your VATS crit and the chance to have a mystery nigga help you out from time to time.I want the world to REACT to my god-tier luck. Make enemies gun jam, or explode them in the face. Make traps that were supposed to kill me suddenly break for no reason.>hack monitor to open a door>you press the wrong word>it opens anyway because it glitchedHell, even make certain events possible that are only available if you're goddamn lucky (or viceversa). Ideally something like in the OP pic would've been good.Picrel is a prime example how to implement luck stat in games, but devs are too incompetent for that.
>>749109728Luck turns the casinos into money printing machines in NV
>>749118528it was even more broken in 1. you could weigh down your 1 key to do infinite low stakes betsgambling stat doesn't even matter if your luck is like 6 or better
>>749109996So is luck.
>>749109728Charisma is very often a dump stat in CRPGs, and where it isn't, it's often over powered. In theory it should be very very powerful, but realistically it is and isn't. Charismatic people have an advantage in taking power by convincing their allies, but they generally don't convince their enemies except through actual deals and compromise.Luck could be insanely powerful in a strategy game where major events can just happen by chance and your enemies can make huge mistakes changing the course of history, but in a CRPG it's hard to make it matter. You can save scum to make random rolls go your way, unless it's an honor mode setting, and you luck as a stat usually never changes the overall narrative and course of events in your favor, instead it's often a minor dice roll difference, like helping you get lucky crits in Fallout or raising all abilities a very tiny bit like in Morrowwind. In BG3 it is potentially strong in an honor mode run but it's very costly when you have to give up a feat choice to take it, and it improves your odds without actually giving you a guaranteed lucky result.So it depends on the game.
Luck when all it does is "add a little bit to all stats" is the worst fucking attribute of all timeLuck when it has it's own unique thing it does is amazingCharisma/Charm is usually pointless and ignoreable. In particularly bad rpgs it's a detriment since you get less xp from skipping combat
>>749110871>not blowing his head off from the door with an AM rifle
>>749113949Literally if you could give yourself even a bit more than average luck you've got infinite money from casinos
>>749110125Fallout 1 and 2 did charisma right by it directly affecting the number of allies you could potentially recruit and while not always leading to fights ending themselves, almost always offer alternative solutions like turning a full group fight into a 12V1 gank.
Charisma is so worthless in every Fallout game except 2, where it's so unbelievably overpowered thereLove CHA builds in that game
>>749120858In 1 you can have as many companions as you want even with 1 CharismaThe only thing it effects is makes a few NPCs that were coded in a specific way like you slightly more when you first talk to them, which is useless since you could just be nice to them and they'd like you anyways even without the Charisma
Neverwinter Nights basically described charisma as the strength of your soul. People regard you better but the fae will fuck with you less for the same reason. Or decide to literally fuck you instead.Selling your soul to satan with high CHA means marrying a succubus while low CHA plebs become rape cubes.
>>749109728Is that a woman in the last panel? Anyway, CHA since it's near worthless if you're going full murderhobo whereas Luck gives you a higher critical chance and boosts your stats all by a little bit depending on the game.
>>749114694Oops. Guess I thought too hard about game design for the subhumans on /v/ again.
>>749115420That's an actual argument for there being a speech check though. Trying to actually justify it as well written is entirely different.
>>749109843>[Speech 20/25] Luck and Charisma may as well not exist in a game where you can savescum rolls and checks
>>749109728CHA.Luck is lowkey OP in a lot of games. It's one of those stats that's literally useless in most playthroughs, but if you dump all your points into it by endgame you become a god since you can crit for days.
>>749109931Luck is a verb
>>749110871>oh I never thought about basic supplies being important in a war WHILE BEING A GENERALthe game makes it painfully clear that Lanius is not a strategist nor a tactician but just a blood thirsty warlord with a leash, people think he is smart because he uses fancy words and his int stat is 2 points higher than caesar
>>749110256Because you make your own luck?
>>749109931What was the point of this postIt's too stupid to be seriousBut not funny enough to be a deliberate shitpost
>>749113157I was just looking for a horror movie and now I know what I'm going to watch. The movie is "The Breed" for anyone who was wondering.
>>749109931short bus hall of famer
>>749109996>Put mechanic in game>Mechanic is cheating so don't use itI think the fuck not.
>>749113949Imagine being born in a cap.
>>749112624how did Jerma get away with this
>>749110368>If the devs didn't bother forcing the game to save immediately after the dice roll then they knowingly allowed it as an optional way to play. Peace.This, savescumming is a thing because games actively incentivise it. Fallout, going all the way back to the very first game, is one of the main culprits.
>>749109728In FO1 and FO2, luck is the best way to cheese the game. You can get the alien blaster or bb gun at the start and cruise through the wasteland with 1 shot kills.
>>749110871>New Vegas final boss being reduced to "oh I never thought about basic x" is beyond retardedthis not only misrepresents what happens in NV but this is LITERALLY what fo3 does but EVEN WORSE in actuality>you need to stop>why>because its not nice>okay
>>749120858That was not in Fallout, but in Arcanum and it made charisma very very powerful. The thing is that this makes charisma feel needed but it also is the kind of stat you can't rely on for most things other than bringing a big team around. It feels needed but not useful for things.>>749131713I forgot how ridiculously stupid that was. Yet it's oddly prophetic for people simply tricking AI with a silly argument now.
>>749110387kek, you riled up the covid tourists with that one
>>749132686>start game>naked tranny dickIt takes a real homo to continue playing after that. I've seen clips of people getting fucked by tentacle monsters and bears. It's like a massive gay fantasy. I think one of the female companions yaps about her trans best friend too.
>>749110184>The avatar of the invisible hand of the free market wrote about as well as the average /v/ user and made /biz/ look like MBA graduates.
>>749127506>Put mechanic in game>He's in a shit area and his quest is less than absurdly easy to trigger so nobody yes I'm including (you) person replying to this post who will say he uses him every fucking time fuck you.
>>749133583>so mad he didn't properly finish his thought
>>749133675No I'm not mad I'm not I'm not mad fuck.
>>749110515Yeah, I don't want to talk my way out of fights. That's boring gameplay. And I don't get to loot their corpses or get XP.Sometimes I'll intentionally start fights even though they're easily avoidable.
>>749109728charisma is useful in western rpgs where all the characters are retarded enough to let you gaslight them into suicide
>>749134675https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnZxT87ZEI
>>749110595?
>>749134875He's implying you're a non-White who uses videogames to indulge in his fantasies of being White and successful. Originally, I would have said that he's assuming too much, but a White man should have been able to easily parse his post.
>>749109728I like it when the luck stat is tied to critical hits and enemy mishap chances... WAIT A SEC-
>>749109931
>>749110038Is there a joke here?
>>749130635those eye shots are nuts
>>749135591Are you sure you want the answer
>>749109905Luck is key to crit builds.
>>749110329> BG3Oh, it's an aids riddled homosexual animal fucking rockspider. Opinion discarded I guess.
>>749124254Luck is not something you can physically have. It's just an observance of someone's experiences. Nobody physically has luck, they are just lucky. You can quantify strength, by muscle mass or the amount of weight they can carry. You can't quantify luck.
>>749110515>feel almost like a cheat "i win" buttonJust like real life.
>>749110368All Fallout games would benefit tremendously from having some form of Iron-man Mode where failed dice rolls can't be re-tried if you reload a recent save file.Bobby Pins in 3D Fallout games feel redundant because you only break one of them after every ten you get. But changing the system to be more like the classic games actually makes me feel relieved when I find a stash box full of them.
>>749129293>MY ONLINE BOYFRIENDKill yourself.
>>749140837Okay bugman, it's still a noun tho
>>749143202>bugmanWhat the fuck is this zoomer term? LMAO ok you moon cricket.
never played any fallout game and never will
>>749109843A game where you can speech check through everything doesn't make for compelling gameplay.Only if the game has outstanding writing, which I haven't seen in a video game. So I rather just fire mininukes instead.
>>749110515Just like real life.
>>749111185>People talk about how Frank Horrigan ignores every attempt at persuasion, we'll thats how most people are.ThisAnyone who has conversed for more than an hour on the internet knows most people do not react well to persuasion unless they are already prepared to be convinced, which probably shouldn't be the guy who is so convinced he is correct that he is killing a bunch of dudes to pursue his goals
>>749112624Based white nationalist subduing the intrusive bean goblin before it takes root in his society
>>749109728Luck can be an extremely strong stat depending on the game, like if it accelerates progression through drop chances your overall power can end up higher for it than committing to real stats like in some ARPG metas like PoE. Or it might influence crit rates and just end up being an important consideration for actual hard calculations like in some Fire Emblem titles.Charisma is basically never a good stat in any video game on a fundamental level. At best like, charisma is strong in practice because it's tied to some extremely powerful options like certain BG3 builds, but the stat itself and its function? Typically super shit.
>>749145180At least you have something in common with Bethfags.
>Start game with maxed luck>Main Quest doesn't happen because villain slips and falls down a flight of stairs and breaks their neck
>>749109728>>749109843>>749110515Honestly my idea on charisma and dialogue checks in general is that "state of mind" is a thing now that your character can have, so they can be angry, sad, happy, etc. depending on personality you gave them and THAT state of mind can dictate what options are available in dialogues or their outcome.There is no persuasion skill, all skills like that (bluffing, Charisma, etc) are now more about your general "presence" and more importantly your ability to "mask" your emotions. It needs practice and skill to be able to come across as polite and friendly when internally you are fucking fuming for instance. There should be no RNG involved when it comes to persuading characters nor should it lock you out of dialogue options arbitrarily simply because some skill isn't high enough. It should however make it less challenging to stay calm around a total asshole when your own character isn't a total asshole themselves.But even with an incompatible personality and low skill level can you do what you want if you make sure you counteract the emotional downer the next dialogue will bring by making sure your own character is happy and content going into the dialogue so they can tank that asshole behavior without losing their cool.Also emotional state being dictated by personality would be nice for roleplaying in general because now it basically forces you into certain dialogue options unless you level your speech skills to circumvent that.Nevermind that personal emotional state could be used for other neat systems (i.e. Berserkers powered by anger, meaning they have a short fuse which makes them quick to escalate a heated discussion into a fight. While sorcerers want to be as neutral in state of mind as possible to concentrate, neither positive or negative making them emotionally cold and distant).
>>749134505A good game would let your way out of a straight fight and then sneak up and shank them in their sleep so you can take their stuff.
>>749121106which is dumb because it still ALSO means physical attraction
>charisma gives ungodly companion buffs and lets you skip shit encounters ezI see it more often as a necessary skill than a bad one
>>749145927Good ideas
>>74910972810 luck jinxed unarmed in Fallout 1 is broken as fuckEnemies just blow themselves up while you flail at em
>>749109931I won the lottery, I am very luck.
>>749110172Luck is the strongest stat in Fallout 1 and 2 thanks to the Slayer and Sniper perks.>Melee and ranged attacks respectively>Roll a D10>If your luck stat is equal to or greater than the number rolled, you crit>By default crits do 1.5-4 times the damage, can cripple, ignore armor, knock down, knock out, blind, instantly kill, and more>If you have Slayer and/or Sniper and 10 luck, every hit you make with any melee weapon or gun is a critical hit
>>749110515Sometimes when I'm playing a charismatic character I will choose the "I'm pretending I don't want to fight" dialogue option that doesn't even give me a chance to persuade the enemy. That way "I tried to be diplomatic" but now I get to fight them anyway, as is most fitting.
>>749109728I'd like a game where luck does something fun, like you find a pot of gold, or you draw really good cards in cardgames, or your enemies trip on rocks, etc.
>>749116409Lanius was screwed. The charisma check is just making him realize how screwed he is.Yes, it's about logistics, but also about internal politics. Lanius has enemies at home and people who think he shouldn't be in charge. If he uses his army in the Mojave, he gets nothing and loses a lot of his army. If he takes it home he can use it to better assert himself in Legion politics.It's a combination of a lot of things. Lanius staying is stupid. The game has a hard time explaining all this but this happened constantly in Roman politics, too. You'd have generals abandoning the front to go yell at senators back home.
>>749110423>nothing gayer than living your life according to idpol on 4chan>>749110497>Let me guess, you got "tricked" into sucking the wizards dick.>>749110695>KYS /pol/tard, go back to your twitter thread
>>749115802This.
>>749123092lmao got'im
