So is he more like a werewolf or a vampire?
fent addict
>>749179878They are vampire furries
>>749179878Vampires larping as Werewolves.Actual Werewolves let them have a 5 seconds head-start as a reward.
>>749179878He's more of a werepire.
>>749179878he still needs to drink blood and is killed by sunlight
>>749180228Or a Vampwolf
Personally I prefer when Gangrel avoid taking on specifically wolf qualities since the Garou are right there. Cat like, Dog like, bat like, he'll even shark like plays off better.also make sure you blood bond with a Brujah to get Celerity and Potence
>>749180781fine..... blond bond with damsel I guess
>>749179878Vampires that take the classical vampire trait of turning into/commanding wild animals like bats and wolves and turn it up to 11.
>>749181043>Gangrel are basically the textbook Dracula vampire>Actual VTM Dracula was a TzimisceAlways felt like a weird change
>>749181212>Actual VTM Dracula was a TzimisceNot Nosferatu?
>>749181212Dracula isn't a guy who lives in the woods, casually turns into beasts and hates society and hierarchies, he's definitely the regal uppity vamp type
>>749181363VtM Dracula isn't ugly
>>749181528VTM Nosferatu can change their appearence to mortals with face of thousand masks to not appear ugly, the game simplified it into just obfuscate invisibility
>>749181649Nosferatus are introverted goblin people tho I like that they also became hackers
>>749179878Animal forms are classic vampire stuff. Werewolves are their own beast in WoD.
>>749182715Being a Werewolf used to be more like a fairly common condition among those associated with demons and such as opposed to a really particularly distinct thing. Every other pagan or witch used to be a Werewolf.
I'm running Vampire the Masquerade tabletop for my Pathfinder group this Halloween season. Any tips? I'll be using V20
>>749179878his base model is funky looking its not even really werewolf coded either. they should have committed to either being a manbat or werewolf because what we got is retarded.
for me, its TrialRunTieflings replacer.
>>749183095If I were to make my own character in a proper sequel he'd look like kurt cobain and be a manbat
I wonder how Damsel would react to getting knotted.
>>749183095We're on the coast. Honestly I like Mariner Gangrel even though they've been reduced to more OC donut steele super niche subtype. I like the idea of a vampire who migrates around the coastlines and just yoinks people off boats or piers to feed.As a side note I'm sort of surprised it's not an explicit power of upper level 1-5 Protean to mix and match certain features of the animals you transform into for the sake of activating a host of your Protean abilities at once. Like A gangrel can turn into a crow and fly away but for some reason it's not incorporated that he can just grow wings and hollow out his bones to do the same while being man shaped.
>>749183761she'd beat the shit out of you and probably rape you since she's in the physically strongest vamp clan
>>749183883>damsel femdomplease, I can only get so hard.
>>749182889The witches, infernalist or otherwise, would have been taken for werewolves in this setting too.
>>749183883This was V20 though, and one of the things I didn't like about it was that Potence, Celerity and Fortitude could actually be intrinsically learned by everyone and had lower xp costs compared to Disciplines like Protean or Dominate. So Brujah were actually sort of gimped. They could reach their peak of those Disciplines quicker but in the long run they were sort of hobbled.
>>749183972MR DRAWFAG make a pov of Damsel doing that to the viewer and make her tits EXPAND
>>749184040Yeah. They're all werewolves they're just not THE Werewolves.
>>749184190theres no drawfags in this thread but Ive been training LoRAs a lot recently and I kind of want to make one for her
>>749183037Oneshot?Keep it simple. No Trujahs, Kyasid, Dom Malk, or any other weird bloodlines. Stick to the bog standard Brujah, Toreador, Ventrue, Nos, Malk, Gangrel, Tremere, and MAYBE Banu Haqim. Giovanni are fine too I guess.Safest bet is to stick with the Cammies, but keep it street level. Shovelhead Sabbat also could work, but then you need to deal with shit like the vaulderie and other weird sabbat shit.
>>749184729Actually assamites are probably a bad idea. Quietus is kinda busted in v20.
>>749184668https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpahYJ7UpP4
>>749184729Wouldn't doing either Thin Bloods or low-level Arnachs work better for street-level shit than cammies?
>>749180146>Actual Werewolves let them have a 5 seconds head-start as a reward.lmaoI somehow doubt that. They just don't seem to give a fuck. Everyone gets shred to pieces.
>>749185095I fw this heavy, added to my playlist
>>749185204With cammies you get a bit more of the lore and some structure to the whole deal. Plus you get the masquerade, which you kinda get with the anarchs but not really. Like the anarchs generally agree with it but they're not strict about it.
>>749179878one of draculas powers was turning into a wolf and every vtm clan is just 1 hyper specific dracula ability or movie reference
>>749184325easy as pie
>>749185204A useful tool in VTM is to give the group an Elder whose claiming "responsibility" for them and then making the group do a bunch of shady and dangerous shit to pay him back.
>>749185095https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRntBOQsNYchands down this is the most fitting song that could ever be in vampire the masquerade not only in it's vibe but the lyrics also talk about hunger and sensation both what vampires are all about
>>749185880I feel like rik schaffer really nailed VtMs audio aesthetic. Also Selfless Doubt is sonography
>>749185230werewolves and garu unironically respect gangrel far more than any other vampire
>>749183037You might like to take some broad strokes from Alien Hunger since it thrusts your characters into the world and gives them the wiggle room to fuck up without having to worry about the Traditions and sect politics.
>>749184729Maybe this is a dumb question but do player groups typically consist of more than one faction? Like would it be weird if there was a Toreador, Malk, Nosferatsu, and Tremere working together?I kind of want to give them a sampling of each but I have no idea if these people would even work together typically. I've only played the game so I'm ignorant
>>749186051Shame all his stuff in bloodlines 2 was so mid; same with the rest of the soundtrack from that game, some of the CYOA have decent OSTs
VTM has literal demons, right?
>>749186186>Like would it be weird if there was a Toreador, Malk, Nosferatsu, and Tremere working together?No, vampire bloodlines know they need to work together to survive, that's why the bigger factions like the Camarilla, Sabbat and Anarchs exist in the first place.The clans or bloodlines that go their own way are the oddball ones that generally have a specific reason to not be associated with any faction
>>749186316Technically vampires are demons because Cain created them kinda like how god created lucifer but he became the devil and ruler of hell
>>749186060As a group? Not really. An individual Gangrel might have an okay relationship with a specific pack if the Gangrel helps them bomb a data center or whatever but Vamps are Weaverborn at absolute best and Wyrmspawn more often than not.
>>749186316Yeah, it even has demon-worshipping vampires with the Baali
are saburi the only morally good vampires?
>>749186250Is It All Worth It nailed it, everything else I agree.Eidolon and Sociopathy fell flat, felt like an attempt at mimicking the original sound style without any inspirationBelltown blatantly is shitall the rest felt like meaningless atmospheric noise with no real identity. A real shame honestly
>>749186250he's supposed to have a new album coming out this month i think or maybe it was last month but i can't find anything else about it
>>749186186Consider that a few of the VtM signature characters are in a coterie of sorts:Anatole is a Malk Christian zealot with True FaithLucita is a Lasombra antitribuBeckett, whom you know, is a Gangrel nerdWhite Wolf wants your player group to be a random hodge podge of special snowflakes, it's sanctioned by canon.
>>749186186>one factionfaction as in sect like camarilla/anarch/sabbat, nofaction as in clan, yes it's common for coteries to be composed of multiple different clans
>>749186250that whole game and ""sequel" is an absolute travesty it looked promising with the Hardsuit version but then they dropped the ball and gave it to a shitty faggot brit bong company that made walking games to rebuild it with tape and glue.
>>749186709Culturally? Sure. At a base line being a vampire is bad for your soul and as a group they're generally really focused on killing the Tremere or foiling their schemes whenever they can.Anyone from any Clan can have High Humanity but culturally most of them select for people that are already starting from a lower threshold or at least willing to go there if 'necessity' requires it. Toreador can often do a descent job of keeping their humanity high because they're among the best at blending in with humanity and holding on to the vestiges of their living life but they also tend to devolve into debauchery.
since VTM is so niche what type of demographic are here talking about it? Neckbeards or 30 year old millennial goth women?
>>749186118So far I've heard that VTM doesn't really 'do' one-shots because it's heavily about political connections and establishing a persistent characterI haven't heard about Alien Hunger, I'll take a look. I've been eyeing is picrel>>749186398That's wonderful. I was afraid I'd be stuck only showcasing one. Thank you
>>749181212>not even real Tzim>gay, smug, knockoff Tzim>so gay and smug they claim to be the REEEEEEEEEEAL Tzim
>>749186991I doubt the OST for hardsuit version would have been much better than what we got, which was fine overall.I honestly put more of the blame on Paradox for how Bloodlines 2 went than TCH, expecting them to make anything but a glorified walking sim was just bizarre
>>749187071Radical Muslims
>>749187071>VTM is so nicheIsn't it still one of the most popular TTRPG?Like D&D and Pathfinder beat it out in popularity, but im not sure what else outside of FotM games
>>749187157
>>749187153>t. vampire Bogdanoff
>>749179878Beaten the game a second time on Sunday as a malkavian with the sabaat ending. Now I wish there was a Mage The Ascension game.
>>749187331Paradox has been working hard on making it less popular.
>>749179878hory shitto is that hunter left4dead as a human?
>>749187452that's lfd hunter as a vampire werewolf
>>749187335The Hunter game might be good at least.I have to wonder why Paradox even bought WW in the first place it's been an exceptionally poorly managed brand under them
>>749187402You don't want the wandering eye of paradox and White Wolf on their forgotten brands; anon it will just make people suffer
>>749187504>The Hunter game might be good at least.
>>749187504Paradox is a disgusting misshapen homunculus of properties. By all rights it should have died and dissolved into unrecognizable mucous by now but, by the will of Satan, it continues to shamble on to plague the righteous.
I still want my mage game
>>749187951Mageshit is always garbage, and magefags inevitably ruin everything they touch. The most normalfagcore example I can think of is how SpeakerD has single-handedly ruined HtP.
>>749187951A very in depth point and click puzzle adventure game could work.
>>749187630Ive been itching for a new playthrough, already had a malk one but I think malk is the only thing that'll bring some new life to me.Last Malk was brujah, should I be chinapilled or be a cuck for Lacroix?
>>749188726Female Ventrue Clanmaxxer who thinks LaCroix did nothing wrong
>>749188726>should I be chinapilled or be a cuck for Lacroix?It's your funeral
>>749188726Lacroix is a loser. Help the Tremere in their schemes. You'll be richly rewarded. Clan Tremere is Clan Malkavian's greatest ally after all
>>749189009
>>749189070That's Anti-Hermetic.
>>749187092If it helps, you can think of clan/bloodline as analogous to classes in pathfinder/D&D. For example, tremere are wizards, brujah are barbarians, toreador are bards, gangrel are rangers, so on and so forth.
>>749189009Tremere are the jews like how the Ventrue are the wasp elites
>friend texts me a month ago asking if I can run VtM for them since its something that group has ALWAYS wanted torun>getting into vampire is one of the most obscure things because of how mismanaged this whole franchise seems to have been since the 2000sIm going to go with v20 because fuck the v5 lore but man is the franchise kinda in a rut and v6 seems to be pissing people off more and more each day
>>749183037In DnD it's typically considered a dick move to do things to the parents or friends of your player characters. But the decline of humanity is actively a big part of the game. If the Players piss someone off while still pretending to love their mom, or a circle of friends, or a pet, then someone is going to find out and get to those people if they can't get to the character themselves.
>>749189009Tremere is kino but my first save ever was a tremere purist so theres no point
>>749189472>going after the loved ones of a coterie member This is the kinda shit that gets you staked and left for dawn.
>>749189287You're supposed to have everyone act like it's still 2004 while running V20.
Caine looks like a werewolf when he kills Abel
>>749189287Yeah v20 is definitely the best release so far, though redditors (unfortunately the current largest bed for the community) seem to wrongly think its v5. Classic editions each have their individual charm, and can be considered better than v20 if you have a specific idea for the world you want your table to be playing in, but v20 has the most complete and well crafted lore, mechanics and tone.
>>749189287>>749189768v5 exists for the type of person that recoils at the usage of words like "retard"
>>749181212VtM Dracula was a chad who as a mortal man whipped both the sabbat and camarillas asses, kidnapped a Two Tzimisce, a sire childe pair, forced the latter to embrace him, diablerized (ate the soul of to steal his power) the former, exiled the latter on threat of death, then proceeded to kick the shit out of the assassin the sabbat and camarilla sent, visit the Flesh Cathedral, and escape the Flesh Cathedral after it ate everyone else inside of it and survived to modern nights still shitting all over Vampire norms
why do brujah have the most difficult playthru experience
>>749190023Melee is fun early on and always good against mooks but sucks against monster bosses. You start feeling the struggle against the shark thing in Chinatown
>>749189768V20 is better because V5 barely even tries and it seems like V6 is even worse buy V20 as an older system can have combat that feels sort of grindy and there are clear powerhouse Disciplines over others.
>>749190184Literally NOT a problem.>BrujahCelerity means you will never take damage. Add on Potence and it's a killing machine.>GangrelProtean is admittedly a pitfall but Fortitude still means you take minimal damage.>NosferatuYeah, this one will hurt if you can't get in a stealth kill or attack from Obfuscate.>TremereBlood Shield is bullshit and that's what makes the clan work
>>749188726dont forget to use TRT's mod replacer!
>>749190354Okay but it's not fun
>>749189575I'm talking about what the Storyteller should do. VTM looks like gothic horror but it's actually about a bunch of shmucks getting unexpectedly drawn into gang activity.
>>749190519>no crazy goth malk gf
>>749191372You can't handle a Malk gf
>>749191512they're all malk gfs
>>749191512all women are malks thoughbeit
Anyone else like to re-watch this after playing Vampire? I can certainly see why White Wolf sued them lmfao
>>749191010Oh yeah the ST should absolutely gun for anyone your neonate cares about. That's good drama right there. So is interparty conflict. But again, that shit will have you staked if you get found out. Shitting where you sleep is typically a bad idea.
>>749191736No but I like to beat my meat to Interview With the Vampire. I still don't know why Anne Rice didn't sue White Wolf.
>>749191934look one of them produces gay erotica aimed at women, and the other writes books. completely different businesses.
>>749191512I got that gangrel dog in me
>>749192043I gotta be in that gangrel dog
>>749192091all about the bitches, huh
>>749192091>not playing as the objectively superior literally me wigger male Gangrel ngmi
>>749192231
>>749189070Oy vey, that's anti-hermetic!
>>749192273me when a foid tries to flirt approach me in a social setting
gimme a quarter bro i'm frickin' thirsty man
>>749179878Let's see what ToreaChads did>Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine>Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power>Clan "curse" is a boon to make her Kindred feel alive>inspiration for the Path of Humanity>Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece>While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence.>Toreadors are the leaders of culture>so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage>Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol >Started the Renaissance>started many trends, really>can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence>sex appeal so strong even the coldest Tremere fall for them>Malkavian lovers flock to them>Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them>Venture prize them>Tzimisce praise them>Asamites are befuddled by them>guardians of Elysiums>throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody>hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others>leave oldfags in the dust by getting with the times>best girls are from the Clan of the RoseWhen did you notice Toreadors are the most powerful Clan?Also, they might have caused the Holocaust and other genocides to get inspiration from the suffering of Jews and other minorities.
>toreawhore copypasta again
>>749193729>the holocaustthe what
>>749185880End credit outrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3v6KdQUg4VTMB is up there with Fallout in reframing so much music. Conceptually I think VTMB is so strong it won't ever die, although it won't be a world of darkness specific thing.I found a dark rhode piano 1 hour vibe session many years ago with like a few hundred views or something. Now I can't find it. Drives me nuts. Barely any dark rhode improv on youtube even.
>>749193587Gimmie a can of Dirty Sanchez
>>749193587>>749194113>Dirty Sanchez most commonly refers to a British stunt and prank television series or an urban legend sexual slang term. Wikipedia +1British TV Series Overview: A reality stunt and comedy show that aired from 2003 to 2007 on MTV in the UK and MTV2 in the US. Cast: Welshmen Mathew Pritchard, Lee Dainton, and "Pancho" Locke, alongside Englishman Dan Joyce. Style: Similar to Jackass, the group performed extreme and dangerous self-harm stunts and pranks, later releasing Dirty Sanchez: The Movie in 2006. Wikipedia +1Slang Term Definition: A largely mythical or urban legend sexual act describing the smearing of feces on a partner's upper lip to resemble a mustache. Culture: Referenced in various pop culture outlets, comedy shows like South Park, and media, though sexologists and lexicographers note it is primarily a piece of shock-value slang rather than a common practice.What the hell??
>>749194621zoomer pls
total chink death
>>749195328no chink ever called me racistexcept approvingly
>>749179878>The big nigger was right
>>749195769https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qakZ94ng1nY
>>749195328total chink love
>>749196058don't fall in love with evil asian ghost women
>>749196107what about regular asian women (evil (implicit))
>>749195848https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYovbdepJ68jej
>tfw i cant make decent fanart of my favorite game
>>749196351i believe the talentless just make sloppa these daysare you talentless?
>>749196479No, but I fail to adapt to new technologies. Also, drawing is a skill, which is the worst ability for Toreador in Bloodlines.
>>749196527well at least you're sensual and beautiful
>>749196351draw a vampire squad of toreadors going to Disneyland at night to try and feel something human again
>>749196351draw a gangrel doing the werewolf sit pose
>>749196351draw something not up to your self-imposed standards
>>749196729I can visualize it in my head. One Toreador mumble singing "Come along and sing the song and join the jamboree," and then the rest mumble along, "M-I-C, K-E-Y, M-O-U-S-E," as the fireworks above Magic Castle go off.
>>749196943BUT IT'LL STILL BE SHIT AND I'LL STILL KNOW IT'S SHIT!!!!!
life is pain...
>>749183761by a gangrel or a werewolf?or a literal dog with true faith? that one seems awfully more dangerous than the former
>>749198835Normalfags finding out what Interview actually has would be disastrous, so please delete your post. We must maintain the masquerade that it's about gay vampires.
I saw it>Masquerade Violation
>>749198975why does swansong use wegtech?
>>749196351Keep working on your art to maintain HUMANITY but I'm gonna use AI to conceptualize VTM characters
>>749179878Wish they made a sequel for this game I know /v/ would love it
>>749199478Really all they would have to do is keep the hot babes. Surely they wouldn't forget to do that, right? Hot people is like 90% of vampire media's appeal
>>749199565It's a statement of fact that the reason women in video games are ugly is to appease the transsexual community. Transsexuals can't even begin to approach an uggo like Heather in attractiveness. This makes them angry and violent, as the recent hitchhiker killing anecdotally supports. Fortunately, VtM is in a unique position to appeal to transsexuals.If the sequel kept the hot babes and allowed for a Vicissitude minigame where transsexual players can spend hours modifying their avatar's body, proportions, facial structure, genitalia, and so on, they would have loved it. They wouldn't have even touched the rest of the game. They would just spent hours harvesting flesh, muscle, blood, and bone from prostitutes, and using it to make their own bodies more perfect. The rest of us could have enjoyed a good RPG while the transsexuals were properly catered to in their containment minigame.
>>749191934Because it's an ecosystem. You want origins of WoD? Read Anne Rice. I wish she at least played a small, but official role in the system's creation like Fritz Lieber did with D&D and RuneQuest.
>>749196224The female Nosferatu dialog for the start of the quest he gives you to get the briefcase is pretty great, too.
>>749179878Gangrel are one of the clans that didn't really work out as a concept. They need to be retooled, possibly to lean more heavily on how weird and creepy ancient cultures thought nature could be. Maybe even make them connected to demons like the Baali.
>>749200940They work fine if you don't tie in Garou to heavily or just style them as literally any animal that's not a wolf. The themes and niche are fine, the problem is largely Their Disciplines. Fortitude is mechanically worse than Celerity and Potence and passive instead of active so it's not a tool for problem solving the way Potence can be. Protean is a weird grab bag of random situationally useful crap, and Animalism is sort of just bad?
>>749189287I can kinda see how writing vampire in the modern day might be kinda challenging with all the surveillance tech we got now. But HOLY FUCK how do you completely bungle everything else? Like just take a look at VTM:B, see what people liked about that, and go from there. Hell you can even rip out the old metaplot, keep what works, and start over. WoD is more about vibes anyway. That's why none of the splats play nice with each other (unless you're playing nWoD or CofD, which have their own positives and negatives).
>>749183761she wouldnt "ahego" if you fucked her. Look at her grey ass skin, she cant feel shit. No humanity, no "blush of life"
>>749201679I mean honestly, how do you completely butcher the lore like they did in v5 intentionally?The thing that pisses me off the most is the Hecata. Stupidest fucking thing. You got two bloodlines of the same clan who hate each other, with one basically genociding the other into irrelevance, suddenly decide to team up and make one unified clan after centuries of trying to kill each other.
>>749201839And I refuse to talk about Rudi.I am angry.Angry about v5.
>>749201523Aninalism should be more than just controlling a few stray dogs or rats to eat bodies. It should be expressing a field of power over a whole territory in which all the local flora and fauna acquiesces to the Dominion of that Vampire and actively fucks with intruders.Protean I'm less certain what to do with. Night vision certainly should not be tied to it. That should be inherent to vampires. I guess think it should be more like Thaumaturgy and be a whole host of diverse transformations for adapting to specific environments.
>>749191736i don't see the connection, secret societies aren't exclusive to white wolf
>>749200940>>749201523>>749202232>AnimalismMost STs forget that animals detect and alert others about Kindred. Being able to communicate with animals is huge. There's an entire skill devoted to dealing with animals, Animal Ken, and Feral Whispers/Subsume the Spirit is a solid way to avoid wasting dots in it. Quell the Beast and Drawing Out the Beast are huge social abilities, the latter of which can cancel the clan's weakness. Beckoning is cool to do, too, since wild animal attacks can be used as cover for when one Frenzies and there's a corpse to deal with.>FortitudeSure, it's not "active", but being able to throw one's self into any situation and come out unscathed is great. It's not fair to compare Fortitude to Celerity because Celerity is known bullshit. Comparing it with Potence, well, Potence doesn't let a Kindred survive leaping off a skyscraper to safety the way Fortitude does. You're not thinking about what Fortitude can do for a Kindred.>ProteanOnce again, everyone forgets vampires can't see in the dark. They don't have night vision. Eyes of the Beast lets a Kindred do that. Vampires can wear armor to resist everything except aggravated damage. Feral Claws lets you deal that type of damage. Vampires need a haven, which makes them susceptible to being ambushed. Earth Meld avoids that. Shape of the Beast and Mist Form both give Kindred to go places almost no one else can, and get away with things other Kindred can't.All I'm getting from your posts is that your groups play VtM like D&D.
>>749190519>TRT's mod replacer?
>>749186316Ehh... kinda? It's one of those "if enough people believe it then it's real" type settings.There are spirits that look like and name themselves after demons, there are occultists who do satanic-style rituals and gain power from them, there's like three different ancient evils whose minions are called demons and like three different side dimensions attached to different cosmologies either called hell or with a hell-type subsection.Worth noting that Demon the Descent is about malfunctioning clockwork reality viruses who betrayed The Matrix.
/V//V/...
>>749203058I've never played VTMTT so my knowledge is only from bloodlines from 20 years ago and random spurts of reading the wiki out of sheer interest for the setting. The setting has fuckin' sorcerers, mummies, spirits and wraiths and all of that, so I assumed non-vampiric demons wouldn't be too out of the ordinary.
>>749205228For oWod, it's Demon: The Fallen.>The penultimate game set in the old World of Darkness and the last using the title layout of X: The Y (Orpheus was the last game set in oWoD), in Demon: The Fallen you and your friends take on the role of demons, fallen angels who have escaped Hell and now live among humans. The premise is pretty cool and the lore and mythos behind it is for the most part well written and with a great deal of interesting ideas and an interesting story. A notable criticism of where the game fucks up is how it's heavily centered around the Abrahamic religions. This is rather odd given the number of pagans working for White Wolf at the time, and their love for the non-Abrahamic faiths clashes with the fact that one supplement outright states that every other religion was created by the Earthbound and are thereby false... and then goes to reveal that Abrahamic religions were created by Lucifer to de-power the Earthbound and are therefore equally false. The game is interesting in that it is exactly what Jack Chick and his friends were going on about with the Satanic Panic: you play as a demon who tries to tempt people into making pacts that give them dark powers and makes them worship the forces of hell, all for the glory of your master Satan. This makes Demon: The Fallen one of the most elaborate Aristocrats jokes of all time.
>>749198975They got me pretty good with that anagram.
>>749180781City gangrel do stuff like cats or even spiders, easier to stealth.
>>749202465>They don't have night vision.that's how you know the whole thing was a prank from god
>>749191934What would she sue over?
why is this game so effortlessly sexy
>>749205969>Back in my day, we called that a favor.
>>749181212Should have been a losembra
>>749190023? Brujah are god tier in melee. clerity and potence is a very good combo and combine with bloodbuff you can punch any boss to death.
>>749199779>the recent hitchhiker killingQRD?
>>749206106It was a black joke. He was making a black joke.
>download some mod for VTM >it lets you date a kui jin girl>at the end of the quest she comes out and said she used to be a guy when he was alive and possessed his girlfriend body
>>749205969I feel like, realistically, the guy would fall over way before she finished.
>>749206219>tranny gf without the feminine penisNigga got played twice.
can you dominate damsel into joining the cammies
>>749201839>I mean honestly, how do you completely butcher the lore like they did in v5 intentionally?You hate the original lore, or more specifically, all the lore that doesn't work on in a Nordic LARP experience.
>>749185880>>749185095https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_Ig6Xt2G8
>>749206352the boner is strong
>>749185880https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25VY2vTnJk
>>749206750>Always missing some girls
>>749191512That's the point
>>749205057Susan
>>749186060OWoD or NWoD?OWoD all vampires stink like the wyrm so it doesn't matter if they're gangrel or not. NWoD has retarded rules so who cares.
>>749185880https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PrcN0xqq4o
>>749179878What's the last UP version before wesp went full retard? I kinda wanna play cqm and that comes with 9.2 i think.Which clans have the better quests?
>>749210601This image uses way more white space than necessary.
>>749210594I think people say 10 and earlier are mostly okay. The clan quests from what I remember were mostly meh, the best thing about CQM is the Sabbat route you can take.
>>749189881dont forget being more evil and less human tahn other vampries BEFORE being turnedANDcommissioning a book based on himself for shits and giggles, putting vampires in pop culture and fucking over every kindred as a resultwhat a fucking chad
>>749181212Tzimisce have Animalism as well and dracula didn't look like a deformed rat dog bat furry fuck
I wish Vampires were real desu, i want to be one so badly
>>749206352The Kiss™ is extremely pleasurable, so he's basically fent leaning until he gets sucked to death
>>749210546I fucking assure you, no one is ever speaking of NWoD, nigga.
>>749211543Did VtM writers ever bother trying to add Carmilla to the setting?
>>749199565>>749199779If you're talking sequel as in VTMB 2 you can (rightfully) shit a lot on the game itself for various reasons, but it did have attractive women like Lou, Ryong and Safia (and even Elif if you somehow want to include HL's scrapped version). And each of them with distinctive interesting personalities and backstories.If you're talking tabletop I haven't played anything from V5 and after but, judging by things like Rudi and the like, I imagine it to be as you say. VTM was never "chud" territory anyway but it did try to keep a mostly even hand. What's been happening nowadays is different.
We need MORE non-fantasy/medieval RPGs.I'm going to flip if I see one more RPG set in a world of mud and stone.
>>749202465>Quell the Beast and Drawing Out the Beast are huge social abilities, the latter of which can cancel the clan's weakness.This is actually really bad game design and the idea taking aninalism means not taking Animal Kem is exactly the sort of antagonistic skill/ability relationship that makes Gangrel awkward. It's like how Ranger in DnD excels in survival by letting the player completely ignore survival as a mechanic. Meanwhile Stealth is still very useful when you take Obfuscate because of the way the Duscipline works.Anyway everyone knows all this. No one is arguing these disciplines don't have any use, only that they're thematically and mechanically underwhelming.
what clan are you getting embraced by /v/
>>749213959I would probably end up a nossie, to much of a NEET, for any other Clan
>>749213959That one quiz people like on here gave me Tzimisce but in real life I'm more of a Nosferatu, if anything.
>>749187207Ur-Shulgi is going to turn your ass into a drive through.
are there any good fanmade clans?
>>749185880https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ognBcHjlcJo
if i want to have an ending that upholds the laws of vampire society, maintains the status quo and keeps to the masquradei have to do the ending with the tremere guy right?do i have to be a tremere myself to get that?
>>749218247Yes, Strauss' ending is probably the best Camarilla-aligned one. Stay on good terms with him throughout the game and agree to help him with the plaguebearer quest when you first get to Downtown. Also when Isaac hires you to deal with the gargoyle, talk to Strauss first and then don't tell anyone that it was his gargoyle. You'll need to pick up that gargoyle book in the chantry too. You can do it as any clan.
>>749180781Classical vampires transformed into wolves, bats, and rats because those animals are nocturnal-ish and wouldn't arouse suspicion, whereas other animals would be questionable.Like >>749205843The choice of animal should be more about blending in with the environment, not because wolves r kewl
>>749218461thank you thank you, time to reinstall
How hard or crazy will it be to make an oWOD CRPG?
>>749190023Purely socioeconomic factors
>>749218651I think they're doing something like this atm. Might become the best Vampire game we have after 20+ years.https://store.steampowered.com/app/4102480/Vampire_The_Masquerade__ETERNAL_WHISPERS/
>>749183784the problem is that thematically and lore wise, it's closer to lovecraftian fish people than vampires. You'd be driving away a good chunk of your audience if you subvert their expectations.It also shoehorns you into a specific story as it's not as if other vampires or their ghouls are good at swimming. That and no dialogue for your RPG.
>>749218883>https://store.steampowered.com/app/4102480/Vampire_The_Masquerade__ETERNAL_WHISPERS/>disco elysium VTMBi wanna say that i'm interested but modern world of darkness is really good at being a fucking disappointment
I always found Promethean to be the most intriguing part of WoD and it's the one people care about the least.
>>749201679you would be surprised how cheap and low quality most surveillance cameras are. It's a force multiplier for security, not an end all be all.Also vamp rules still apply. Most people are tech illiterate. They wouldn't blink if the camera glitched out while filming a vamp.
>>749179878ghoul close to nosteratu
>>749219810Wouldn't surveillance products from companies of the Technocracy be great though?
>>749214982Have you considered that you act more like a Nosferatu in real life because you don't have the ability to actually turn women into toilets? Perhaps you feel more like a Nosferatu because you're full of bitterness with no real way to express that frustration.
>>749219558It's V5 so if it talks about the world wide lore it's going to suck but if it focuses specifically on what happened in Montreal that's a bit more interesting and less intrusive.
>>749218936I wouldn't really call it subversion. Protean let's you adapt to your surroundings. Part of that should be that Protean vampires are just really good at swimming/climbing/digging/etc when it's required. Strictly speaking a Gangrel isn't supposed to be specifically a werewolf or focus on wolfish qualities.
>>749220205You start mix and matching modules you're gonna get fucked no matter what in regards to vampires staying hidden.
>>749218883Night Road is unironically pretty good if youre willing to read. I bounced off it first time I played, but was glued to it the second time I gave it a shot.
>>749219680Thats cause its very player driven. Prometheans are so rare, they have no society AT ALL. You have to make up everything about them yourself.
just finished vtmbshould i buy vtmb2 bros?
>>749188078Explain, i want all the deets
>>749179878Gonna open it, bros
>>749191512After a lot of soul searching i came to the conclusion that I prefer a werewolf gf over a vampire gf. this has nothing to do with your post thoughever, so to answer you no OF COURSE i cant handle a Malk gf and thats exactly why i would be chosen for the rotten task.
>>749218883Playing a game where you're a sabbat shovelhead with no combat feels kinda weird
vampire-bros!?
>>749222352Not really. Level 1 mages get murked all the time. Fuck even high level mages and the technocracy needed to bring in the wod avengers to deal with an antediluvian vampire and he managed to wipe out most of india.
>>749222352MAGE is the annoying little brother of World of Darkness
>>749212790I think Promethean and Deviant are cool, and Hunter the Vigil is good enough for people to backport it to oWoD.
>>749222352i hate this fucking meme. a old 8-7th gen can literally stomp a mage or werewolf (if it's alone) solo.
>>749221105no. it's debatable if you should even play it for free.
>>749222352>watch a mage take a shit>mage explodeswhoa... so this is the power... of magic...
>>749220205The Technocracy's slow-rolling tech and keeping the good shit for themselves, primarily.Also Pentex is enshittifying everything on purpose, and they're deep in bed with the Technocracy.
>>749222352
>>749221105God no.Maybe listen to the soundtrack though, it's alright.
>>749222864>mages that lowThis is made by a very low iq person, even a couple level 1 spheres mage is outright broken in the hands of an intelligent person.
>>749221105It's not as bad as people say. it's alright. It's not a bloodlines game though. It's nwod and feels like it too. I wouldn't buy it personally but it's worth a pirate.
>>749222864I like that nobody can really try to correct info about Changeling or Demon because nobody has ever played them
>>749213440I agree but I also want a Dark Ages game.
>>749223006Both are logged by their nWoD counterparts.Honestly I think nWoD would've caught on way better if VTR wasn't as lame as it is
>>749223116Play redemption nigga
Reminder that almost everything the conspiracy theorist says on the radio is at least somewhat true, including the shit about aliens.
>>749223226Mogged, even
>>749223226Most of NWoD was better than OWoD
>>749223730You and your post fucking disgusts me.
>>749223756not a fan of the NWoD versions of Werewolf, Mummy, Mage, Changeling Hunter or Demon then?
>>749223882No. All nwod suffers from the same issue. It is set after the year 2000 and has had all the soul of it removed to appeal to normies. The lore is completely abysmal and everything suffers for it. Mainly to appeal to people who thought the underworld films were high art. It's total slop.There are tons of issues with owod. But it has soul. Nwod has tons of issues and no soul.
>>749224015I mean it has lost its counter-culture angle, both in-universe and from a meta standpoint at this point. What more do you need?
>>749223301I tried figuring out how to get this game working in widescreen for like an hour but it's literally impossible because the fan support for Redemption is nonexistent
>>749222864How the fuck are hunters so fucking powerful? How is that even possible? Throughout the years, in discussion here on /v/ and around the internet, anons always gave me the impression that Mages were the epitome of power given the insane amount of bullshit they could pull. That one is based on what?
>>749224698oWoD Hunter isn't about regular humans, they're imbued with power by mysterious entities that might be good, might be ayy lmaos, or might be some Exalted crossover shit.Also True Faith is fucking crazy even if you are a regular human.The list is bullshit though.
>>749225197Yeah, original oWoD hunters are meant to be Solars from Exalted, and Solars are OP as shit
>>749222738>DeviantMan, am I glad nWoD went out on a high note. It would've been really funny to end with the shitshow that was Beast, granted.
>>749224015I'm pretty sure this d00d is confusing nWoD for V5.
imagine if both Therese and Jeanette became enamored with you even though you're a mortal and constantly fought over who'd get to spend time with you and used their connections and powers to make your life better in every way wouldn't that just be crazy haha
>>749226373Nwod is everything that came out after the end of Owod which is the time of judgement books, tourist. Yes that includes v5. Everything after 2004 needs to be burned.
>>749221105Fuck No! Don't give these people your money.
>>749226530dealing with a schizo sounds tiresome
>>749225197Oh, right. Thanks
>>749206750iirc you can't dominate someone into doing something that they would never doso if she has some inner repressed fetish of being a cammie fuckdoll, then sureand if she doesn't, you could always plant the seed
>>749222864>list doesn't include wraiths, mummies, orphics, or gypsies
>>749226624You don't know what you're talking about.
>>749226624Unfathomably based desu.
>>749227096Technically he's kinda right in that what most people call nWoD is Chronicles of Darkness, but fuck semantics
>>749224567Just wait 2 more weeks for decompiler remaster mod.
>>749227096He's right though. Owod ended with the end times. Whitewolf explicitly said so. Everything after is technically nwod.
>>749223226Requiem is so bad, holy shit, it's like VTM designed by chatGPT
>>749223730>>749223882>Werewolf, better>Mummy, never played>Mage,a thousand times worse, not even close>Changeling better>Huntermuch better>Demonnever played
>>749227704>Werewolf, >betterIs it though?
>>749189217Venture - Anglos/WASPsTremere - JewsToreador - FrenchSettites - EgyptiansAssamites - SaudisGiovanni - ItaliansTzimisce - SlavsWhat are the other clans IRL parallels?
>>749227384Yeah, I'm sure the two people that actually played Redemption are totally working on a decomp, anon
>>749186316Yes and fucking with them will make every faction kill you on sight if they find outInfernalists are very bad news
>>749227614It's really wild, every other counterpart at the bare minimum has some interesting tradeoffs compared to the oWoD, but Requiem is just watered down and sucks.>>749227763Not anon, but as fond as I am of magic ecoterrorism shenanigans I think The Forsaken works way better in terms of being a classical werewolf game, and has a lot of neat stuff in it, especially the bestiary of assorted weird shit for players to deal with.
>>749228071>Tremere - JewsWho's gonna tell him?
>>749228256Not you apparently
>>749228185Personally I think getting werewolf players to bomb wyrm powered data centers is way more entertaining than whatever is going on in Forsaken.
>>749190184I literally only ever played as Ventrue (7 times btw) and melee is only a problem against the wereshark, Ming, and the Werevolf. Everyone else gets turbo-raped by a well-built character with a good sword or axe and Fortitude.
>>749228072More obscure retro games are getting treated as we speak. VtM is the second most popular TTRPG in the world and has only three games. Someone will enhance it in a few weeks tops.
>>749228434They were backing the Nazis. Himmler even got embraced as an 8th gen.
>>749228708>second most popular TTRPG in the worldDoes it beat Pathfinder? I know PF2e is pretty successful.
>>749228717I thought he was Brujah
>>749228798Historically, maybe but right now it's probably like fifth or sixth in popularity
How the fuck do 8th gen vampires keep beating 4th and 5th gen vampires in the lore?
>>749229409WoD is full of OC donut steels and no one on the team ever considered creating a Bible clearly delineating what can realistically kill what.
>>749228717Wouldn't that mean he's blood-bound to the Chantry?
>>749229409>4th gen>some dude>3rd gen>literally cthulu
>>749229871You mean the Chantry that practices blood magic and revels in mass blood sacrifice? THAT Chantry??
>>749205057(.)(.)
>>749229871He was immune to the bond (his player clearly took the unbondable merit using points from the Enemies flaw) and went Antitribu and joined the Sabbat.
>>749230228That's more Jeanette. VV is more like (๏ 人 ๏) and Damsel is kinda like (͜ₒ ㅅ ͜ ₒ).
>>749228620Yeah, because those are the monstrous bosses. Normal dudes get raped by literally every build.
>>749229971Hey, one 4th gen is an Abomination Werecrocodile
>>749224698Imbued hunters are a hell of a drug.
>tfw no mousey tremere nerd girl x badboy biker Garou who fights himself every night to rape-murder or love nerd girl romance
My Gangrel's flaw? He has a horse cock!
>>749231031
>>749210443this album was recommended to me on my work laptop today unrelated to this thread. unreal
>>749228798Can we even call Pathfinder a separate game from D&D 3.5e?>>7492293391. D&D and everything OGL2.?3.?4.?5.?6. World of Darkness
>>749229339>>749232285WoD used to be huge. Like really huge. Especially back in the early 2k's. Now it's basically non existent. Especially after all the controversies.
>>749232467Among the earliest examples of Go Woke Go Broke
>>749232540It really was the canary in the coal mine no one paid attention to.
>>749232285I would say pathfinder is a separate entity from D&D since it is owned by a different company and current 5.5e D&D is a completely different beast from the 3.5 D&D Pathfinder is based on.as for TTRPG systems more popular than WoD right now, it would probably be in no particular order: D&D, Pathfinder, Daggerheart, Warhammer RPGs (mostly 40k) Cosmere, Cyberpunk Red, and OSR in generalA lot of these are pretty FotM and will fall out of favour, but right now i would guess these are all more popular than WW's TTRPGs
>>749232595Yeah man, they were playing the wrong type of make believe, you tell them.
>>749228071Gangrel - Irish/Gaelic/ScottishNosferatu - Gypsie/Romanians Malkavian - Dutch Brujah - Germans Lasombra - Spaniards/Portuguese
>>749232540They were always super woke. The game suffered for the same reasons video games today are dying: releasing too many supplementary materials.>>749232641Pathfinder 1e cannot be considered a separate thing since it started as 3.5e third party material. 2e is a different game because Paizo wisened up and jumped the ship before OGL fisaco.Also I'd argue 5e and 5.5e are derivative works of 3.5e more so than sequel to 4e. PF 1e is almost 1:1 the same base game with quality of life improvements.Daggerheart, really? Didn't even its creators from Critical rolls ditch it for 5e in their latest season?CPR is crazy. CDPR is misma aging R Talsorian, barely anything gets released while 3rd party is banned. WFRP just released its 5e, we'll see how popular it becomes. OSR is just BECMI with art by black metal logo designers, not independent from D&D.
>go to store page for new Vampire title someone itt was discussing>dev update>your spunky short haired redhead thinblood companion, sireThe heart wants what it wants.
>>749233459>Nosferatu - Gypsie/RomaniansNoob. Gypsies are separate entities with their own little game line.
oh so you know celerity?dodge this
>>749221105Don't buy it. Ahoy it. It might not be a sequel to Bloodlines and under NO circumstances an RPG, but it's a pretty fun Dishonored clone with a Vampire paintjob. Story is ok, nice setpiece for it (if you're a fun of suburban winter), some characters are good and the ost is decent. So overall a very MEH game (hence the Steam ratings). Might had done better if it wasn't named "Bloodlines", but Parakikes insisted on TCR.Just remember, if you want to do a second playthrough, to enable playing only Phyre's side of the story. Cause it's insanity to repeat Fabian's if you already know the mystery and it breaks the game's rhythm anyway.
>>749233459Gypsie Are Indians Romanians are ethnicity European also Nosferatu is Irish
>>749234025Gypsy-vampires are clan Ravnos that got canned because it was too racist.
>>749179950fippy bippy
>>749179878Is this Hunter from Left 4 Dead? Isn't he a zombie?
>>749233790I like how in the mafia book, they say you can only have magical mafia abilities if you are Sicilian or made by one.
>>749234025Nosferatu came from RomaniaIrish people are Gangrel because of their connection to druids and mythos of turning into animals
>>749179878worse. he is a furry
>>749234416he's hungry like a wolf from Duran Dura
>>749234416Better worse: White women prey upon him!
>>749224698you clearly underestimate the power of divine intervention
>>749221760>I prefer a werewolf gf over a vampire gf.Smart boy
>>749235335bitches love dog wiggers
>>749235745
>think i'm gangrel or sometimes ventrue>every vampire quiz i ever take gives me nos
>>749228708>VtM is the second most popular TTRPG in the worldMaybe in the 90s. Now? WoD is relatively obscure thanks to two decades of mismanagement so horrendous it makes hasbro look like a competent company. 2nd place for dice games is Pathfinder 2e. After that probably some PBTA "game" theater kids enjoy.
>>749235953It could be worse. You could be consistently getting Salubri.
>>749224698They're blessed by actual God and imbued with divine power, at the price of holy schizophrenia. At least in oWoD. HtR has them as anything between conspiracy nut who hit the nail a little too square on the head and saw something he shouldn't and divine warrior wrecking shit with the power of True Faith and God.
why does a commie vampire college girl need tits that big
>>749236671To seduce dumb guys.
>>749228185>It's really wild, every other counterpart at the bare minimum has some interesting tradeoffs compared to the oWoD, but Requiem is just watered down and sucks.2e Requiem was way better.The issue is that they were afraid of changing too much at first.
>>749236671She's got that "fuck me stupid" body type, but she's too passionate of a person to pull it off. She's built for mating press instead of tricking her into a plapping.
>>749236823I agree that Requiem is a much better RPG in a post-2007 society, but I have a much better experience pretending it's 2004 while running VR (or V20 if I'm feeling scandalously deluded).
>>749234137>In order not to be racist against Roma and other gypsies, we killed them all in the loreAmazing how SJWs can spin mass genocide as a win for social justice.
>>749236671blood bond hate love relationship with this vamp wench
>>749236671There needs to be a redistribution of breasts. The lucky few shouldn't be allowed to horde it all for themselves.
>>749237093Those breasts were promised to the Tremere 3,000 years ago.
>>749223006I played Changeling!Back in the late 90s. I shudder to think how modern White Wolf has ruined them.
>>749179878Gangrels are the more bestial vampires.
>>749229409There are 4th gen and there are 4th gen. Baba Yaga (4th gen Nosferatu) conquered all of Russia and put a magic barrier around it so no supernatural being could go out.
>>749236936>spoilerI can't relate, anon.I'm current running a HtV game featuring a cell that were the victims of a werewolf attack based on a WtF game I ran years ago.>idiot omega of the pack bit off more than he could chew trying to prove himself>ended up going on a death rage rampage through town>at 3pm>mas-cas event>got to describe a 9' tall mass of claws, teeth and hate open a school bus like a can opener and feast on the tender meat inside>the tender meat was the children of the current cell>even the jokester stopped laughing that day
>playing during modern timesSorry, but the Golden Age of mankind (late 90s to early 2000's) is the only era I play in.
>>749237163Current Changling (2e) is great, actually.>>749237251And Baba got schrekt'd by ANOTHER 4th gen nossie.
>>749237262I have a much better experience with VR/V20 because I'm surrounded by people who do the "NEW=BAD" knee-jerk reaction thing and don't care to glance at Requiem 2e, so the only way I can play the latter is with randos.
>>749237251>>749237349>Baba Y-ACK!!!?!?
>>749193858Sounds like lyrics from this song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KDipZnEtDc
>>749236823>>749236936Requiem 2e has the best mechanical base by far. The fluff is more personal preference. I think VtM has the better core, but Requiem really shines in the oddities that VtM is too rigid to even consider.
>>749237372>I'm surrounded by people who do the "NEW=BAD" knee-jerk reaction thing and don't care to glance at Requiem 2e, so the only way I can play the latter is with randos.Oh, christ alive, anon, you have my sincerest condolences.Those kind of people can ruin any game; it's why years ago I crafted my own circle to game with that really is open to just about anything at least once. No more randos or fucktards, and the autists are bearable autists that I can browbeat in to shutting up.
>>749237251>Rage Across RussiaOne of the dumbest original run books I've read. Though little can hold a candle to Rage Across the Amazon and Chaos Factor. >>749237262Fun game concept, Anon. I love having chronicles in a shared, consistent setting.
>>749237706Video not available
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>>749237735I enjoy the fluff more because sweeping metaplots that do not involve the players, to me, is for books and novels, not ttrpgs I play with friends.I still like it, but I HATE VtM mechanics so thoroughly I have vowed to never play the game again.I have however been to and once ran a VtM larp beforeI was called the 'man in white' mockingly because I was a black Ventrue in a white suit
>>749237906Weird, it works just fine for me. If you want to go look it up, it's Want by Recoil.
>>749237905The cell so far is equal parts genius and fucking idiotic, it's been a blast so far.They are currently hunting a serial killer that is killing and skinning people, taking out their eyes while painting strange runes in the immediate area.the killer is a man who also lost family in the werewolf attack, and is trying to transform into a Slayer
>>749238032Thanks
>>749238019There's more to VtM than the metaplot IMO, when I say the core I mean the clans (at least the ones people actually care about), the rough status quo (Cam, Sabbat), the general gothic flair and the ten-thousand-year game of intrigue. Metaplot was always the millstone around Masquerade's neck. Agreed on the mechanics, I ended up making a Masquerade hack for VtR because one of my friends had such a bad experience with oWoD he just didn't want to play it. lol.
>>749237905>One of the dumbest original run books I've read. Though little can hold a candle to Rage Across the Amazon and Chaos Factor.That's where WoD is at its best. When it's unapologetically dumb and over the top.
/tg/'s doing a favorite VTM clan poll. Let's crash it, /v/.https://strawpoll.com/X3nkPNaKVgE
>female player picks Gangrel>has a wolf ghoul
>>749238178I vaguely recall someone talking about a game like that, did you post about it on /tg/ at all, or am I misremembering?
>>749227096Who's the masked lady?
>>749238739Malkavian from the cancelled version of Bloodlines 2.
>>749238729I have, good sir, it's nice to see that someone remembers my shenanigans.The doctor refused the vampire's offer, btw.
>>749205906The same thing WW sued Underworld for, whatever it was.
>>749201679One thing I liked about Bloodlines 2 was that there was a plotpoint that the vamps made sure there were almost no surveillance cameras in Seattle until the Inquisition arrived and set up their own network.
>>749238620You just know...the garou are going to tear her apart when they find out.
>>749229409Prep time.
>>749240097what clan would batman be
>>749238729>>749239094Please post the story here for the rest of us.
>>749240151Toreador.>AuspexWorld's Greatest Detective>Presence"Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot.">CelerityExplains how he can disappear out of sight in the middle of a conversation.
Why don’t Gangrel get a sports entertainment discipline with the impaler DDT?
>>749237349>Current Changling (2e) is great, actually.Expound, please?Only thing I know is that it's about actual Changeling (in the sense of a baby being replaced) rather than fun-loving fae.
What vampire clan gf would be the best generally.
>>749240639>So, to reiterate, Changelings are Fairies. More specifically, they're fae, and every last one of them was once a human, born on Earth, probably raised on Earth (Abducted babies and children usually don't last long and typically go barking mad if they do survive), and stolen away by god-like alien monsters to be transformed into slaves/playthings. Their souls, and indeed their personalities were shredded by thorns, and they served their usually terrible Durance in Arcadia in a mindless stupor. But on the rarest occasion, a slave catches a whiff of memory that overpowers their desire to stay in Arcadia, and they work to free themselves by outrunning, outfighting, outsmarting, outcharming or outbargaining their Keepers. They earn their sweet liberation, and can begin the healing process to mend their broken bodies and broken minds. But even so, they have to deal with all sorts of problems. Odds are that either a long time has passed in the real world since he's been abducted, leaving him anachronistically stranded, or a short time, leaving him as an adult while his family expects him to be a child. Secondly, there's a good chance that a Fetch, an identical simulacrum created by his Keeper, was left to live his life from the moment he was taken, and odds are he's not willing to give up his place without a fight, if he even knows he's a copy made to replace you ("It's basically highlander rules now." -Rick Sanchez). Even if the Changeling can get his life back on track, he's still a Changeling. He's forever changed, and being tracked by the Gentry, Changeling Privateers and Loyalists, as well as the more gutsy denizens of the Hedge, and his family is considered fair game to get his guard down; it’s enough to destroy his already fragile mental state, which is literally eroding his relation with reality.
>>749240165I'll give a shorter version.>member of the cell is a part of the Union, a blue collar group of monster hunters>help the dude out on a job>job is eliminating a vampire coterie>the cell finds and eliminates a group of gouls>rest of Union mission kills vampires>surviving lick is watching the cell via a ghouled cat as they rampage thru abandoned bar the ghouls lair in>afterwards, tracks down one of the cell, who has a crippled daughter>attempts to make contact with her, offering a way to heal her daughter in exchange for... something>cell member refuses to talk>vamp leaves>they contact the Union relaying the info>Union boss spazzes out on them, promises them round the clock protectionNext game is the anniversary of the werewolf attack. What they don't know is that the vampire has some new ghouls in a local gang, and is going to do a drive by of the cookout they are having that weekend in retaliation.
>>749187335Rein-Hagen actually lives in Georgia and had to go into hising because Chechens were looking for him, but he also got canceled for saying Richard Spencer shouldn't be punched.
>>749240727>Secondly, there's a good chance that a Fetch, an identical simulacrum created by his Keeper, was left to live his life from the moment he was takenCan you play as them instead? Do they have any special powers or knowledge, or do they just think they're you and you're a nutter trying to ruin them?
How come /tg/ and /v/ crossover threads are always comfy and chill and literally every other crossovers are cringe and retarded (besides maybe /an/ crossovers on any other board, those are cool).
>>749240826>he also got canceled for saying Richard Spencer shouldn't be punched.Today is October 7th, the third anniversary of the day the Left officially sided with the Nazis. Shouldn't he be uncancelled by now?
>>749241315>implying this thread isn't comfy, chill AND retardedBut to answer your question, it's because a /tg/ and /v/ crossover filters out the most autistic of the /tg/ cohort and the most knuckle-dragging of the /v/ cohort.
Giovanni girls looked the best and it sucks that they are less popular than VV and Jeanette. You cannot spell necromancer without romance.
>>749242253>no Gio Scotti Giovanni gf to have blood spaghetti with
>>749238615I like Brujah conceptually, both Idealist and Iconoclast, but the latter should really be portrayed as a lot more like terrorists. The point should be to tear down and decentralize. Brujah wanting to replace "the system" with another one like communism is dumb.A lot more Fight Club and Ted Kazinski and a lot less Che Guevara and Trotsky
>>749242253>>749242326>wanting a giovanni blowjobishygddt
>>749242671this but the not dying part
>>749243168When you start thrashing around and your vampire gf accidentally breaks your bones trying to restrain you, and your screaming, bleeding, and adrenaline cause her Beast to take over and make her Frenzy, you'll realize that your intentions going into such a shitshow didn't matter.
>>749243358>Ventrue gf>Dominates you to calm downNoice
>>749243497>brujah gf>beats the shit out of you and fucks you whenever she feels like it
>>749243657>you get to hatefuck her afterwards and she loves being abused
>>749192740>>749192273> Errgh... enough! It's coming... ARRRGH!
>>749243736you're right about the hate fuck part but Anon she's the only one physically abusing you
>>749189287>v6 seems to be pissing people off more and more each dayI had no idea there was a v6 in the works. Is it just doubling down on V5 while hoping a "rebrand" will bring in the sales again?
>>749238615Nerds and edgelords, what else could I expect.
>>749244004They announced it at Gen Con this year it does a lot of changes that aren't popular; the crunch was completely unworkable from what I remember
>>749238615>tremere>tzimiscegross
>>749237163Changeling is excellent. We really deserve a Changeling game. Both cwod and cod are good.
>>749245230well good news they announced a new Changeling at Gencon
when will we get our beast game?
>>749243657That's just a regular girlfriend
>>749243657>he wants to fuck his mom
>>749245673That game gives you inspiration to become someone's nightmare.
>>749183761IS THAT
>>749245673>rapist: the justificationHell no.
>>749245673>rapist: the justificationHell yes.
>>749245882If the setting is based on Interview with a Vampire setting then a good chunk of The Vampire Lestat is literally just about that, yeah
>>749244223>>749244286It seems /v/ has much worse taste than /tg/, Lasombra went from near bottom to middle of the pack after it was linked here.
>>749245779nah for the majority of girls they don't have the power or will to sexually restrain me as much as i secretly want them to
>>749246308Lestat's mom is a Gangrel even though he's Toreador.
>>749246336I wonder why 4chan, of all places, would support the Tremere, the Tzimisce, and the Lasombra?
>>749210943here
>>749179878thats the hunter from left 4 dead
>>749246409those are the jew larpers on this site the real 4chan ones are Gangrel, Malkavian, and Nossies with some tremere autists
>>749246542I'm Salubri and I've been here since 2007. 4chan was the furnace that purged my impure properties and helped me learn that the entire world is one massive trolling attempt, and I have an obligation to not feed those trolls. The Path to Golconda is a long, lonely one, but well worth it for one's peace of mind.
>>749246409Idk, /tg/ loves bitching about Tremere but they were in the lead before it was linked here. It makes sense why we have a lot of Tzigger fans. Tziggers are often no social skill NEETs living in abandoned mansions, but also can still force themselves into positions of power with a small horde of deformed freaky blood-bound minions. That or we have too many trannies. Lasombra is the one I don't clock. I usually see them get love on Reddit, not here. They're the second banana to the Ventrue that mask an insane inferiority complex with shadow edgelordism.
>>749246735I think the Lasombra thing is misunderstanding that not all Lasombra are failed Catholic nuns with gigantic tits and mistakenly believe that Lasombra are yandere because they kill a prospective ghoul's friends and family so the ghoul has to become dependent upon their master for everything.
>>749246735I thought /tg/ had a whole larping general where they pretend to be Nossies. I'm surprised that's not higher.
>>749246973The Schreknet thread?
Vampires are well accounted for, but what exactly was God's great plan with the Mages and Gaia and the Fera and the Umbra and the Fae and the Shadowlands and and?
>>749246973the LARPing thread isn't only Nossies, it's general VtM. It's also been a zombie thread for longer than it was an actually flourishing one.
>>749247015Yeah, I only skimmed one once but the little chunk I saw mostly seemed to be a lot of shifting on other clans, which was funny. But then even if you do that you probably have a clan you like more I guess.
>>749247061Retarded wieckslop has no place in a cozy bloodlines thread.
>>749247074/tg/ is a zombie board, tbf, but so is a lot of 4chan
>>749246887There are a lot of Tradcath larpers who read that Lasombra were influential in the church and often selected from the Priesthood and seemingly mistook that to mean they were ardent Catholics and not a dig at how corrupt the Catholic Church was at the time.If you want a "Christ is King" clan it's probably Nosferatu and even for them it's died down quite a bit, but pretty much all the Clans are in a pretty shit spot culturally.
>>749246409Tremere has the best waifu. Simple as.
>>749179878Worse. They're furries.
>>749247339Did you know that GATE conspiracy theorists believe one of the requirements to have been a targeted individual is to have had, at some point, a Jewish liberal arts girlfriend? I always thought that was weird haha
>>749246409fleshcraft is one hell of a drug
>>749247410Your point? Aisling is Irish and Catholic (pre-Vatican 2)
>>749247305Isn't it Dark Age Cappadocians are really the only religious clan, i.e. they properly believe in Christ and god and stuff
>>749247473Feigning ignorance is a disappointing character trait.
Clan doesn't matter, being a vampire is awesome regardless of your clan. It's certainly better than being a mortal.
>>749247670no sunlight
>>749247670I don't know. Nossies got the short end of the stick.
>>749247753Let's not pretend that gamers see a lot of sunlight.
>>749247517No clan is actually some sort of religious monolith, not even the highly organized ones. Even the actual religious cult Setites have a bunch of different denominations. Many vampires either lose what faith they may have had in life, or develop bizarre offshoots in order to cope with their new existence. Cappadocius himself is often claimed to be a born-again Christian, or at least, was convinced of Jesus's Divinity. But his was a supremely schizo gnostic christianity, where he believed he could become like Christ, then Diablerize God, in order to usher in paradise. A small number of vampires keep their mortal faith as best they can, but most either accept some sort of weird cope set of beliefs, or lose their faith entirely.
>>749247916Then you have vampires like Beckett who think God is a myth and religions is fake and gay.
>>749179878Vampire. In classic vampiric folklore and literature vampires were said to be able to transform into animals such as wolves
The stupidest thing about World of Darkness is how real life celebrities exist as supernaturals.Al Capone is a vampire, Jim Morrison is a mage. Who allowed this?
>>749248014Certified Fedora tipper
>>749181212Tzimisce is the classic textbook Dracula vampire.>lives in Romania>nobility>needs to lay in the soil of his homeland every night>owns a shitload of ghouls>can shapeshift>can communicate with animals and can sense whatever happens in his realmHow the fuck is he anything like a Gangrel? Gangrel are homeless bums that live in the woods and larp as werewolves.
>>749248092Fair but we just ignore that
>"I believe the story of Caine and Abel is an allegorical myth to describe humanity's movement from hunter-gatherer societies to agricultural settlements."ok liberal
>>749238615Nosferatu brothers we must show our power
>>749224015Underworld was sovlful as fuck, though.
>>749248014Yep. It really varies, and it makes sense that it does. Your objective existence as a VtM vampire doesn't neatly fit into any religious orthodoxy. Putting aside morality entirely, God's own word just forgets to mention the ancient society of immortal bloodsuckers that actively and often mercilessly preys upon mankind? It's enough to at least cause you to reexamine your faith. Perhaps one retains, or even starts believing in the idea of a deity or deities after becoming unliving proof of the supernatural. But they might approach this from a point of curiosity. Or fear. So many options, adds a nice personal end to things in a setting where clans can sometimes feel too monolithic.
>>749242394Who called them communists? They are more like anarchists than anything
>>749248206People fixate on him turning into a dog and dissolving into mist, which are Protean abilities. But he's also a Methusaleh and back in the day a lot of old vampires have a shit ton of additional Disciplines.I'm on the fence if vamps should be more confined to their inherent Disciplines or if the gates should just be wide open and figuring them out shouldn't be too hard even without a Teacher, it's just that Clans would have unique tricks figured out that are too complex or require a specific frame of mind to learn properly.So anyone can figure out the basics of Fortitude to make your skin hard as rock but only Ventrue would learn the stoicism needed to turn that inwards and make it so Fortitude also protects from mental affects. Anyone could understand using Auspex to heighten your senses but only Toreador would really excel in using it to understand people. Stuff like that.
>>749248267Didn't remember that Beckett was such a whiny captain planet faggot.But then again, what can you expect from a fedora tipper in the world of literal Cainites.
>>749248471The Brujah Clan was literally behind the rise of Communust Russia until Baba Yaga ate all of them.
>>749246735>but they were in the lead before it was linked hereI don't know why you're surprised that nerds like the wizard clan.
>>749244286Anon, why don't you have a seat right over there?
So who was the cab driver? Is it caine?
>>749238615>>749244286I'm sure that Tzimisce popularity is due to the interesting disciplines, the compelling clan history and surprisingly deep, if disturbing philosophies that the clan members usually adapt that create opportunities to develop interesting characters that can be the primary drivers of the story and absolutely not because of the tranny faggots and their dick ripping fantasies.
>>749248842https://spinanotherstory.neocities.org/vtm/disciplines/combination-disciplines
>>749249035it was caine white wolf can suck my dick
>>749249102>Zer>Ze>ZeirAbel, what the fuck us this shit!?
>>749185880https://youtu.be/3igy4eLQK8M?t=47
>>749248997
>>749249035could not possibly be more blatantly caine right down to that literally being his filename
>>749249102kill all tranny faggots
>>749248206This is more because the writers stapled all the Dracula stuff to the Tzimisce rather than the Tzimisce being inherently Dracula. All the body horror flesh mansion shit is not classic Dracula. Dracula's "in-clan" disciplines would probably be Protean, Animalism, and Dominate, not to mention how many of his abilities the book chalks up to being a trained sorcerer. They had to invent "Old Clan" Tzimisce in post to try and better justify the Dracula thing, but that just made it messier.
>>749249261Was this drawn by the dude who was making those bomb-ass Elder Scrolls videos and then deleted them all because he didn't want to be known as the "Elder Scrolls guy"? All In All, I think it was.
>>749249084>and surprisingly deep, if disturbing philosophiesLmao, pull the other one Tzigger. Their "philosophy" is highschool edgelord tier.
>>749249347>not to mention how many of his abilities the book chalks up to being a trained sorcererKoldunic Sorcery
>>749249136What's white wolf? Some tabletop magazine like games workshop white dwarf?>>749249276I figured. Didn't expect him to be out and about. What does he spend his time doing in lore?
>>749249690>White Wolf was a game publishing company formed in 1991, known primarily for the World of Darkness and Exalted settings. Its less well-known but still viable settings are Scion (urban fantasy based on real-world mythology; basically, you get to play modern day demigods) and Trinity (a trinity of settings bound by common backstory: pulp age gadgeteers and mystery men, grimdark superheroes, and psychic warriors in a post-apocalyptic Earth). It took its name from the heroic epithet of that archetypic fantasy edgelord, Elric of Melniboné...>In November 2018, White Wolf officially ended up deader than dead; the retarded fuckheads finally went too far and wrote the ongoing mass murder of homosexuals in Chechnya into a Vampire splatbook for cheap angst, and the ensuing tsunami of very reasonable responses from the rest of the industry (to say nothing of the Chechnyan government's own bitchfit over being shown in a bad light) forced Paradox to put its foot down. Everyone who could have conceivably had a hand in the offending books (read: fucking everyone) was sacked from a 50-floor window, the books themselves were pulled from publication, and White Wolf, Inc. was reorganized as an IP holding company that cannot produce any material in-house.>And then in late May 2025, Paradox unexpectedly dug up White Wolf's rotting corpse for another go-around, changing their "World of Darkness" brand to use the old White Wolf name and "roots". However, despite their best efforts at wearing the original company's skinned-off face as a mask, the hollowness is painfully obvious - their current leadership consists entirely of Paradox suits responsible for the distinctly skubby 5th Edition World of Darkness games, complete with a buzzword-laden announcement about how great Nu-WW is going to be. Time will tell if the new guard of soulless corpo suits will prove better than the edgelords, bad poets, and batshit insane neopaganists who ran it into the ground to begin with.
>>749249347In v5 those are the clan disciplines of Clan Tzimisce
>>749249557He's specifically Solomonari, not some slavjank spirit faggotry. >>749249862>V5 ew
>>749249968>SolomonariWhy yes one of the many powers of Koldunic Sorcery is the ability to control weather. Well spotted friend.
>>749249968Why are you disgusted that you're thinking like a V5 lore-contributor?
>>749249968Why is Viccisitude different from Protean? It's the same principle, the Tzimsce just like body horror.
>>749249418no
>>749249801Bro wtf. So they were the owners of world of darkness and they raped it to death. Wtf
>>749249801Why did you seriously reply to the ratposter? You know he imagespams threads with AI images of rats to get them slid off the board, right?
>>749249035Caine. Fuck recons.
>>749180228He's more of a human-pire.So you mean half vampire, half human..?
>>749249801There's already playtest version of Vampire 6e in the works (notable highlights - Protean will be removed as a discipline, there will be new discipline called Corruption, also retcon on clan Hecata it's called Giovanni again).And there's some prototype for "World of Darkness D&D", which might indicate Paradox is testing water for possibility of selling WoD to Wizards of the Coast (the proprietors of D&D), because that's perhaps the only one who might want it at the point..
>>749250190absolutely not, one manipulates (flesh and blood) and the other transforms (you into your Beast/soil/mist)not even in the same ballpark thematically
>>749249035He was just a character made by the lead designer. Guess what he's called.
>>749250683Transforms your what?
>>749250640Another case of 'every system must become d20 sooner or later'.
>>749250640>Protean will be removed as a disciplineSounds like shit already
>>749250884why, my peanus weenus of course :)hahah! :D
>>749250751Caine?
>>749251028Yeah, they noticed a lot of people complained about it being missing in the playtest, so much so that they commented on it in a blog post >The most mentioned Discipline was one not in the playtest. Protean was the most mentioned discipline in all the feedback, and it wasn’t even in the packet. Impressive! It was not great of us to only show you where part of it went (Animalism), rather than the full picture. As part of the audit of Discipline powers, Protean powers were sorted a couple of ways, and you will see the other parts of it in Alpha 2.0.
>>749251408>Alpha 2.0What in fuck's cunt does that even mean? Is that an oxymoron?
>>749251028Totally, especially after Vampire 5e went out of its way to give Protean to clans that did not have it before (replacing their original disciplines).There's also some bullshit with humanity, were becoming too "good" can force character retirement, so even most civilized vampire has to give in to the monstrous impulses every once in a while. Which has always been a theme, but 6e wants to do it in the most hamfisted way possible.
>>749251528They're updating the playtest rules for people to try out.
>>749250640Protean is being folded into Animalism which is not a terrible choice in my eyes. Gangrel are getting Celerity as a Clan Discipline which is probably very good for them. My main gripe with V5 is the fact it has no fail states or some shit? That players can fuck up and then negotiate an alternative? Which could be good if you have really reliable players in it for the roleplay but anyone whose got a bit of particularity in how they want the story to go could totally fuck it up if they're subtle about their suggestions.
>>749251528At some point someone discovered that instead of having a QA department you can just outsource the testing to your playerbase and it'll double as marketing too.
>>749251709That only works if you make a halfway decent game before putting the playtest out.I guess it's better than paying to be a beta reader, like Cubicle 7 does with the Warhammer RPGs
You just need the 20th anniversary edition, and that's it. Why are you chuds playing anything else?
>>749250640>also retcon on clan Hecata it's called Giovanni againDo Lasombra get to be their own thing again too? Are Obtenebration and Necromancy still merged for some fucking reason?
>>749251549I really hate 5e's massacre of the unique disciplines.
>>749251934lot of things are gone, including visitude, I think
>>749196351gitgud. check this tremere skank i doodled once in mspaint. my sire said>ATTABOY!and pay mind that she's VICTORIAN era lady!but i didn't told her it was tremere
>>749251934Yeah Vicissitude and Obtenabration are back to "normal" and their own distinct disciplines, not amalgams. I think people are overstating issues with the Discipline system, There are obvious holes in application but they have easy fixes that'll hopefully get tied in. What I think the much more major issue is how Humanity/The Beast is handled and how action failure is handled.
>>749249261This game has such ridiculously strong characterization that you KNOW how certain characters would interact with each other even though they never do.
>>749251651Protean would make some amount of sense as Animalism+Celerity amalgam available for Gangrel (because City Gangrel already had Celerity so there is a bit of precedent), but just folding it into Animalism is bullshit - because that's discipline shared by Nosferatu and Ravnos. And especially Nosferatu anatomy is notoriously inflexible, with their whole clan curse deformities. Also swapping Protean for Animalism is yet another U turn on Tzimisce who in various iterations did or did not have Animalism, giving them perhaps the most inconsistent discipline spread across the editions.>My main gripe with V5 is the fact it has no fail states or some shit?That's more of a general trend in the tabletop roleplay, notion of character death has already become pretty much unacceptable, and now even just suffering any significant setback is frowned upon. At least with younger people, and things published targeting those that are new to the hobby. Boomers/grognards still play their meatgrinder dungeons.
As your punishment for sharing the /wodg/ poll here, I'm now going to start talking about Werewolf and Mage in /v/ threads.You did this, not me.
I respect nines for saving my life twice and I thank him for that but fuck the anarchs
>>749252493I don't think that's accurate. Animalism and Protean both explicitly deal with managing the Beast, ones just in relationship to personal form and ones in relationship to the effect it has on animals. I don't know what you mean that Nosferatu anatomy is inflexible, their whole curse is having their anatomy flexed. It was never impossible for a Nossie to learn Protean. Tzimsce always had Animalism. I don't know what you're talking about there.
>>749252668But you're doing this.
>>749252795Thanks to you. I don't want to, but you've left me no choice.
>>749252849Niggerfaggot, no! You have to fight it! You can't let the Wyrm win!
>>749252980Too late, this is now a Mage thread.
>>749253121not with tits like these hanging around
>>749253121Can a mage make it so we aren't past the bump limit?
>>749252668We already get plenty of fags like you, you just get ignored.
>>749252776>I don't know what you mean that Nosferatu anatomy is inflexible, their whole curse is having their anatomy flexed.I mean they're getting deformed by the curse and unable to do anything about their appearance by their own will. Sure, they can cover it with Obfuscate, but that's just trick on the onlookers that does not change the flesh underneath.>It was never impossible for a Nossie to learn Protean.Learning Protean as out-of-clan has always been a niche, because Protean used to be Gangrel exclusive, and disciplines that were exclusive to just one clan were seldom shared outside of that once clan (ditto for Vicissitude, Dementation, Quietus, Thaumaturgy)>Tzimsce always had Animalism. I don't know what you're talking about there.My bad, I mixed it up with Auspex, which Tzimisce do keep gaining and losing across the editions.
>>749253471Not going to stop me from flooding your refuge with Wieckslop.
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