Esteemed game director Jonathan Blow's latest magnum opus released today.Let's discuss puzzles and/or tenderly loving the Thief.
Just put the puzzles in the bag, John
>>749332524
I like the boat :)
The new voice acting feels weird now that I got used to the one in the demo.
>>749332524im having a blastlooking forward to a puzzle weekend, now gotta get my wagie sleep
All I could think about during this part was all the game dialog I've watch blow skip on stream.
>>749332765wtf she's white? no wonder
>Order of the Flopping Shart
I wonder if the skipping stones intro 6 treasures do anythingI also wonder if I have to get all 6 + complete the level in one run, or I can just get 1 or 2 in a run and eventually add up to 6I got 3 so far
Played 11 hours today, savegame says I have 120 solved, picrelI started on a fresh save, but did clear the demo a few months ago so was able to beat some tricky levels pretty fast because I remembered the solutions. Loving the stones and beams
>>749333905>white???
>>749333947Can you soft lock yourself from them? I beat the first skipping stones area only getting 1 treasure. I went to the grey island after you return to the ship on the left which I assume is key to getting more, but seemed stuck. I didn't want to dwell on it too much because I assumed maybe you have to do some out of the box stuff right from the start of the level to get them and will go back to it later.
>>749334039Its very easy to softlock the treasures I gotI assume I'm going to have to beat the entire skipping stones multiple times to figure out all the treasures
PC or Shitch 2?
>>749334128'eck
>>749334162i dont have one of those
40 minutes in and I already hate the wizard
>>749332524saw this pop up on steam. the puzzles look interesting. is it fun?
>>749334234No! But the puzzles are interesting.
>>749334234Entirely depends on what you like. I love mirrors and promise, skipping stones is complete mega ass (in my opinion).
>>749334234Yes, and I bought it do to the amount of it has. I watched a pre release interview that is on Jonathan did and it has something like over 500 puzzles.
>>749334249That IS interesting!>>749334326I'm willing to give most things a go, and this might be a good time. I haven't played something like this in a long time>>749334356yeah, when it showed the map in the trailer, I realised it'd be a pretty meaty game and not 30 bucks for 5 hours of gameplay and a handful of puzzles
>3.7k peaksoulja won
>>749334234I love it, goty for me, but I love puzzle games I can automatically dive into and dedicate all my gaming time into until I'm done
>>749332524This shit is stupid as hell mane
>>749334525Yup, shant be buying odour of the stinking saar
I'm addicted to this game
>>749335195I had to force myself to stop for the day. Looking forward to playing more tomorrow.
>>749334525Anyone who is not retarded knew this would happen. Game is great, value to usd is great. Average gaymer doesn't care about sokoban (japanese warehouse simulator desu-ne). Jon should switch from games to pure tech, there is no market for video game crosswords. The entirety of his modern credit is technical knowhow. Primeagen isn't going to play his game, neither is any other cockslurper that brings him on their stream.
Skipping stones is hard because its too tempting to just fuck around with rocks instead of actually thinking what you need to do and how to get there
>>749332524Is this the game he added a story to?Is the story paced with something every puzzle or couple or are there story progression puzzles with side puzzles?
>best puzzle game of all time>complete crickets from the gaming publicGamers are such goyim holy shit
>>749335616Actually all he has to do is use his superior coding skills to not spend 11 years and 20 million dollars making a block pushing game.Since he's so much better than everyone at coding it should be easy.
>basic puzzles for retards that make retards feel smartof course people love it
>>749335797Since you're so much better at game design what's your brilliant idea? Let's hear it.
>>749334525puzzle games don't really work on streaming since they aren't fun to watch unless you already have interest in them (at which point you may as well just play yourself instead)
>>749335826If I play Picross to feel smart will these also make me feel smart?
>>749335702At least in the initial campaigns, every puzzle has dialog. But in the side content and even one of the overlap areas, it's complete silence, which surprised me. It honestly feels like they accidentally forgot to put dialog into Heroes and Mirrors.
Do you guys replay demo levels? Im thinking about replaying western area because I remember jackshit from it and there are a lot of rules
>>749335797He is superior to everyone else, unironically. Ootss is an insane accomplishment on every technical level. It is running native, hand rolled, new language, etc etc. Theres just no market for that.
>>749335837The game was already designed, it's mostly made of 4 games that already exist. Again though, the point is that he's not going to break even but he could have if he didn't spend 11 years and 20 million dollars making a block pushing game.
>>749335854it's not really the methodical kind of puzzle picross is, cipher zero might be able to scratch a similar itch while making you feel smart off the top of my head
>>749335904he and his team pretty significantly tweaked most of the levels in the existing games he's working off of
>>749335883A good chunk of the dialog was changed, so yes.
>>749335904>making a block pushing game.*and an engine*and a programming language
>>749335883I replayed from scratch and I don't regret it, a pretty significant amount of dialogue was rewritten (west and east are basically completely different off the top of my head)
>Go MAGA Go Broke
>>749335904>it's mostly made of 4 games that already exist1) The "ported" levels are the first 5% of the game.2) They weren't just porter, they were redesigned to be more fun. You can especially feel it in the Beamcasters. Promesst went from the worst of the 4 to the best. And the Druid was completely reworked.
>>749336002Yes, I would hope so, it took 11 years.>>749336019I'm going to blow your mind here. Every game has an "engine"The language is irrelevant to the game, it's cool that he enjoys that though and having faster compile times probably increased his fun while making the game....but 11 years is too fucking long for this.
I got absolutely int-checked on this level. Was a solid 50 minutes of going what the fuck. Super satisfying finally figuring it out.
Skipping Stones >> Mirror Isles > Promesst > Hauling
>>749336117>I'm going to blow your mind here. Every game has an "engine">The language is irrelevant to the game, it's cool that he enjoys that though and having faster compile times probably increased his fun while making the gameare you retarded?
>>749336169Promise>mirror>polycule>>>>>>>>>>>>jeetoids>>>>>>>skipping stones
>>749336228FILTERED
>>749336172The tooling is absolutely irrelevant to everyone but the developer.
>>749336172Refute a single thing I said, oh genius one.Every game has an engine, that doesn't matter, this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists. The language, again, that compiles down to the exact same as if he made it in another language. I'm happy for him that he is making those things if he enjoys that, but I am not going to excuse the insane amount of time it took.
>>749336271Yeah I got filtered by holding speed up time button for 1 minute and not aligning the send cuck rock to land on this petalfile within 44.56ms exactly.
>>749336303>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.you are retardedare you one of the devs you fucking retard?only a retard would defend this and tell such lies
>>749336303>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.so what is the reason you are lying you fucking retard?
>>749336303>but I am not going to excuse the insane amount of time it took.Please tell me you at least got a PhD or something equally impressive in the last 11 years. That's why you're on your high horse right now, right? Because you did something impressive too?
>>749335661I feel like the screens (at least in the first level) are too open-ended, it's frequently unclear what the goal even is and it seems like you can exit in any number of directions. This is often coupled with the expectation that the player will just bumble into a new mechanic or interaction that's required for intended the solution. It's, quite frankly, just plain horrible.The second level seems a lot better, so far.
>>749336438...You think this game couldn't be made in any of the popular engines available? Haha. It's kind of endearing how far you go to defend a guy you don't even know.
>>749336384>>749336438Holy fuck, you two don't know what a game "engine" even is lolWhat do you think Jon has created here, something revolutionary? What specifically can only his magic engine do? Please explain it>>749336497Yes, I have done more than one thing over the last 11 years.
>>749336551I think this is just the natural result of having listened to Blow's self-important monologues on stream for the past six years and having come to believe that everything he's doing is something entirely novel and brilliant.
>>749336303This is actually untrue. There's a SOVL that gets carried to the game when you make your own engine.Think about it. Rollercoaster Tycoon gets praise while 99 percent of everything today is slop. All the games that have sovl had an engine. The spiritual sovl of an engine carries over to the game. It has no other explanation. This is stuff an atheist can't explain.
>>749336532there was a point I was convinced I had softlocked myself because I didn't bring a rock with me that I thought I maybe could have, at least the constant checkpoints kind of push against that notion but it still feels pretty aimless especially since the way the rocks and lilypads behave is already a really weird mechanic to adjust to
>>749336539>...You think this game couldn't be made in any of the popular engines available?>Holy fuck, you two don't know what a game "engine" even is lolwhy are you lying you retard, that's that what it says you retard.>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.so why are you lying you worthless retarded turd?the game would perform significantly better if made in unity or any other engine that wasn't made by the retard blow.
>>749336539>>749336551explain why are you lying you worthless retarded turd
>>749336723>that's thatthat's not
I refuse to play it on Windows, I'll wait to run it natively on jonblOS.Draknek was right to complain he should be mentioned more, the game sucks because of him, it's his underlying bland and boring sokobans
>>749336551>you two don't know what a game "engine" even is lolyou don't know what an engine is you retarded turd>Yes, I have done more than one thing over the last 11 years.you did nothing you retard you are a failure that doesn't even know what an engine is
>>749336880This is the most Indian behavior I've seen in weeks.
>>749336905This is the most Indian behavior I've seen in weeks, pajeet.
>>749336905so can you explain why are you lying you retarded pajeet?
I am enjoying the game, but I think at the end of the day... I preferred line puzzles.
>>749336551>>749336539>>749336303>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.why are you lying you retarded turd?
>>749336539>>749336551what happened pajeet? why are you lying?
I just can't get over how big the game is.
>>749336539>>749336551>...You think this game couldn't be made in any of the popular engines available?>Holy fuck, you two don't know what a game "engine" even is lolvs>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.the lying pajeet always twists the narrative
>>749336539>>749336551>...You think this game couldn't be made in any of the popular engines available?>Holy fuck, you two don't know what a game "engine" even is lol>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.retarded pajeet thinks unity and ue5 look and perform the same
When the engine released, I'd love to see someone port Void Stranger into it.
>>749337507unity and godot already exist
what was the point of the pajeet telling people they don't know what an engine is when he had no idea what an engine is? sounds like a retard from the dev team.>>749336539>>749336551>>749336303
it's so cool and based how much this and every other thread discussing this game from now until forever is destined to suck shit
order of the stinking saar
>>749336303>this game would look and perform the exact same on any other engine that already exists.the maxed out overworld would choke every single mainstream engine because of all the active entities. Most devs would end up having to do ad-hoc instancing and chunking, which would be a bitch later because of what i assume would be overworld-wide puzzles
>>749337876it's unstreamable, undiscussable
>>749337876Marathon has it worse.
>>749334525It's also #15 in global top seller on steam, not bad. It came out just today.
>>749338092top seller means nothing you retarded pajeet
>>749338117Order of the sinking star wonned thoughever
>>749337970what is this retarded shit? you are just making up shit to defend blow's retarded decisions and his shit unoptimized engine.
I wonder what Blow's next game will be. All that we know is:>It's smaller than OotSS and will reuse the engine>It's not a puzzle game>Edmund McMillen played it and it inspired something in Mewgenics. Blow guessed that it was enemies becoming obstacles when you kill them, but McMillen said that this is unrelated.
>>749338092could be doing better
The very first world I entered was the skipping stones one. It went smoothly until I felt absolutely and completely 100% stuck. Wondered if maybe I had placed myself in some kind of loss state by clearing the prior screens sub-optimally. But even when rewinding I struggled to comprehend how to proceed. After way too much time at my "final" screen of the world, I exited. And then I entered the mirror world instead. And boy was that different. Smooth sailing all the way through.
>>749338183it's okay if you don't understand anon, I also don't like Blow's game for a lot of reasons. But technically it could not easily be ported to mainstream engines, and would require a lot of work.
>>749338257Skipping Stones is the hardest area.
Think I'm done for the day, ending at 171 puzzles done. It's getting way more interesting than the demo with the puzzle mixing. Also I didn't realize you could play the light beam levels with the camera zoomed out. It makes them way more playable. Still haven't found a single 3D level yet which is crazy considering the trailer had so many
>>749338226It took 5 days before mewgenics hit its peak, wait a few days
>>749337876Game is ok, I played the demo(s), but can't be bothered playing enough of the actual game to get to the OC puzzles.Jon lost the plot in both the scope, and the voice-acting + story. He breaks his own rules with not distracting the player.
>>749333981I also played 11 hours today and solved 130, I love this game it's infinite sokoban and every puzzle has a new insight. I can see how it would filter reviewers who aren't sokoban enjoyers though. The beam area is the best, I still haven't made much progress on the skipping stones so I'll try that next
It's empirical fact. Games with sovl tend to be made in their own engine. The history of gaming proves this. By making an engine Blow imbued SOVL into the game. History will remember The Blow and everyone will forget your Unityslop.
>>749338226From the creator of the fucking binding of Isaac c'mon now>B-But BraidThe average person only knows about Braid because of the twist not because it was a must play game
>>749337876yeah these threads have been shit for months, it's not a big deal though, this is very much a solo experience anyway more so than most singleplayer games
>>749337876Same but for every game. You are on /v/
I PLAYED THE DEMO AND THE MILLENNIAL VOICE ACTING WAS HORRIBLE. THERE WAS NO VOLUME SLIDER TO MAKE THEM SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!! DID THEY FIX THIS IN THE FULL RELEASE?
>>749338994The demo had AI voices. The full release has real voices.
>>749337196Will rush to the bottom right now
>>749339136i am asking can i disable the voices ENTIRELY. i hate the voice acting it's awful, and i'm not talking about the AI voices. they all have reddit cadence.
>>749339251>reddit cadenceWhat does that even mean
>>749337876it's just one resetera tard spamming something about jeets on cd
>>749338708Let's be real here, if you know Braid's twist, you aren't an average person. An average gamer may know Braid because of Soulja Boy and even that is a stretch.
>>749339294>being this unaware
>>749338994>THERE WAS NO VOLUME SLIDER TO MAKE THEM SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!! DID THEY FIX THIS IN THE FULL RELEASE?Yes, there is a volume slider for voices and you can set them to 0
>>749339251Quigley, send this man to the penis explosion chamber.And yeah you can mute them. But the jury's out on whether it still holds you hostage while the invisible voice lines play out.
>>749337196how'd he get in there
>>749338258>>749338550>But technically it could not easily be ported to mainstream engines, and would require a lot of work.why are you lying you retard?
seems pretty low for a game he's been working on for years.plus, i don't really like push and pull block puzzles
>>749339620What am i lying about?Default Godot and Unity would be at 3FPS.Unreal might fare better these days given the fortnite updates. But default UE5 is still grossly unoptimized.And then you'd still have the undo system, which lmao, indie devs would just do a naive array and end up OOMing players machines
>>749339746why are you lying you retard?
>>749339779>understands nothing so he goes parrot modesad!
>>749339794yes you understand nothing you retard
>>749339679you can thank @geoffreybunting.bsky.social (he/him, disabled) for the troll review>plus, i don't really like push and pull block puzzlesyeah you probably won't like this then, it's for sokoban enjoyers
>>749339868>leave the autistic millionaire alone
>>749339892he actually is getting hate mobbed by leftists though for being vaguely anti-woke, why shouldn't i defend him
>>749339868vgh... fine, I'll play it
>>749339679>plus, i don't really like push and pull block puzzlesit gets insanely more complex than this, though it is ultimately grid based throughout not necessarily a 2d grid though
Buying this game to support the autistic millionaire.Kill every fucking mediocre normalfaggot that parasites in the West Coast man.
>>749339892>You can't defend this autistic man because.... Uhhhh... He is a man and all men are evil and deserve to die
>>749339892Blow is /are autist/
>>749339868>disabledI don't see that in his profile. did you add it in as a way to belittle him?
>>749341131>cfs/meis a "disability" and his pinned post references being "disabled". just fuck off back to resetera already man
>>749341198>just fuck off back to resetera already manholy superiority complex
I'M HAVING A BLAST
>check negative steam reviews >Half of them are crying about MIGAk, so is the game good or not?
>>749341131>did you just do a heckin ableism?bro
>>749337196fuck, i laughed
>he hasn't gotten to the sky world yet>he hasn't gotten to the underworld yet
>>749341291if you're a fan of puzzle games then you'll like it, the quantity and quality of puzzles is excellent, but the game doesn't have as much of a broad appeal as the witness did
Does anybody else like the game and mechanics but actually playing it makes you tired? I completed like 100 puzzles and it's just cool, not mindblowing as I expected with The Witness and I can't bring myself to continue
Wasn't he working on this game for like 10 years or some shit?
I'm enjoying it so far. The characters are funny and switching between them is more fun than the usual sokoban shit.
>>749341987he stretched out the dev cycle by trying to juggle a dozen projects at once, all while semi-frequently streaming too
This game is making me feel so fucking retarded and yet I had no problem beating the witness when I was younger. I've had to look up solutions for skipping stones MULTIPLE times because I just could not see the solution no matter how much I played with it. I get that alcoholism probably made me dumber but holy fuck this is upsetting.
Is this like puzzles in the future?
>>749332765the voice acting sucks tbf
>>74933252430 bucks seems much will they lower that in the near future in hopes to increase player numbers? I know the game is huge but still
>>749342361wait there are solutions already?
>>749332524I'm waiting for someone to finish the game and tell people if it's worth it or not
Idk man in the first hour of the witness even a total retard like me was finding secret mystery shit that tittyladed me into continuing sokoban is just too soulless
>>749342897Would you believe he invested a lot of the budget into voice acting? Someone told me he even got some fairly popular actors/actresses to do some of the voices. And there are A LOT of voiced lines and dialogue.
>>749343583it's just sokoban bro lmao
What the fuck do I do here, This game is really starting to annoy me in how even through experimentation I can't figure out a mechanic. Once again I beat the witness no problem but this is giving me serious anal pain. I don't see how or what I could do to these rocks to suddenly make those lilypads no longer be on the same row. You can ONLY push the rock to the right and that does not split them up REGARDLESS of timing.
>>749343716nevermind.
Post ending in 0 and I boughter
>Speed up bugged >doesn't work on controller>doesn't work on keyboard>doesn't work after restart and/or rebindingThis engine Jonathan Blows.
Does this have kino weird shit like Void Stranger?
>>749344031I just got it but man was the timing very specific.
>>749332765sex voice and best girl
This game will fail because most "puzzle game fans" don't actually like puzzles, they want to see some crazy meta twist like Witness environment puzzles, or very unusual mechanic gimmick like that game where perspective changes the size of objects (which isn't enough to make a long game, but it doesn't matter). It doesn't even need to be puzzle related, it could be purely story shit like Talos Principle 1. The amount of people who like puzzle games for the puzzles themselves is smaller than even the small "puzzle game audience".
>>749344031he should have cut this and ones like it to secret levels.nothing worse than gimmicky gameplay changes that are just tedious
Fuck it I boughtered. Liked the demo although I think it's too bigbrain for me later on I should enjoy it
>>749344298the witness is at the center of my 3x3 and I've enjoyed many tachtronic games and other sokobans like baba is you which doesn't even have a story. So please fuck off with your idea of superiority.
We heil autistic millionaires here, you stupid fucking nigger.
>>749344486>baba is youThat is THE dictionary definition of a "woah crazy gimmick" game.
>>749344576kys, closing the thread btw to play more so you can kys twice and seethe at the response you won't be getting.
>>749344626kys he's right you retarded turd
>>749339868> Games on which it is based> Does not name the games
>>749344298>this game will failBut I'm the only person who matters and I'm playing it, thus it won. I boughted btw and I almost never buy games.
>>749344576it's not gimmick over substance though. the gimmick is substantial substance
Does the story and writing get better or is it all over-done faggy shit?
>>749344694He credits and links them in the actual article.
>>749344780I sucked enough cocks in life to know its peak, kino ludo maximosie even. Kys. Only faggots like women. Actual chads rape other men because they find women intolerable due to being bad at videogames(the only thing that matters in life)
>>749344298It's kinda reasonable that most people don't like solving the same puzzle hundred times in a row. And those who do can just play chess.
>>749344831Do you think anyone is going to read that?
>>749336285The performance, file size, and how easy the game is to continue to develop, port, and patch all directly matter to the consumer.
Ngl after playing this game for a few hours I'm convinced it might be the greatest puzzle game ever>look at the trailer>thought every one of those rooms is a puzzle>it's actually an area that CONTAINS multiple puzzles>and each area has its own new gimmick>this is only a fraction of the gameHoly shitAlso west > north > east >>> south
I played the demo for like 5 hours. I assume if I buy the game, progress carries over, but I also don’t remember the demo all that well… Should I start over if I buy it? Or is the game just a bunch of separate puzzles
>>749345349>how easy the game is to continue to develop, port, and patch>directly matter to the consumerAbsolutely not.
>>749332524It's cool that Thekla spent a lot of time and effort making something which would otherwise be considered hyper-niche and never make it on commercial terms even if I'm not interested in sokoban myself. Reminds me of the 90s where everyone was making what seemed cool to them
>>749344851Sokoban enjoyers don't see the problem when the solution to the box pushing puzzle is more box pushing puzzles their brains are wired wrong they have to do a box puzzle to tuck themselves into bed at night
>>749345565Stuff has changed since the demo so you'd be better off replaying
>>749345565If you care about the story it's worth starting over, a lot of dialogue was changed. Some puzzles were tweaked slightly but they're pretty much same.
>>749345565I'd recommend starting over, firstly because the knowledge from the tutorials will be fresher, making you more able to handle the harder puzzles. And second, the demo had AI VO, now it has proper actors.
>>749336285A consumer can feel the SOVL in an engine. You play Tycoon Rollercoaster thats made in assembly and its awesome. A hylic disbelieves this but you feel the assembly when you play Tycoon and Unity is not awesome, you dont feel it.
>>749345593>its a good thing when a dev cannot fix bugs or add content to a game I paid for due to retarded tooling decisionsokay so its not a problem for consumers when bungie "lost" multiple destiny 2 expansions because of retarded tooling and bad version control
What the heck? 4.99?
>>749344841Profound.. Anyone else?
>>749332524>the game every single person was saying would flop has now officially floppedAlways refreshing to see a narcissist put in their place. Now the getting angry at fans and blaming them for not buying his game stream is surely one week away.
Someone help me with the skipping stone chests.I think I have them all figured out except the one in the middle right below the spawning area, which I suspect you get by deviating the water on the right puzzle so a lily pad takes you there but I'm failing to make that arrangement, I think maybe I need an extra rock from somewhere before? But from where? Getting the extra one via slowmo button in the first area already felt kind of absurd abuse.
A stones is a lot of fun once you start "thinking with portals". Once I adjusted my brain to the idea that the water is essentially one long push and not just trying shit it really unlocked the fun
>>749346314Might be the soundtrack or something
>>749346154Yes, that's Bungie's problem. What matters to the consumer is that their game works, not how easy it is for the devs to make their game work. To the consumer, good tooling matters as much as how healthy the developer eats or how much sleep they get.
I used to shit on journos, now I realise Steamie reviews are just as vapid.https://steamcommunity.com/app/499170/negativereviews/?browsefilter=toprated
>>749344576What a retarded take. Sure there is the one central word pushing sentence forming gimmick, but each word is a separate mechanic, so in a sense there are dozens of gimmicks. You could probably recreate Order of the sinking star in baba and never need the player push a word other than to simulate the character switching I suppose
Blow might be a trans-hating, covid-truther chud but I gotta admit he CAN cook up a good game
After a 24 hour shift I'm ready to go home and play this kino no stop for the next 3 days. So, how's /v/ liking it so far? Is it the kino that Blow promised us?
>>749346894These are all good things though? Lemme guess, you got the vax.
NOW WATCH ME YUUU
>>749346945Ain't no point to the game just push around blocks and shit
>>749346935IM COOMIN HOEME TO PUZZLE HONE, WHOS THAT ON THE TELEPHONE? AN ANON I WANT TO BONE?
>>749332524>got a chinese publisher>steam community hub filled with chinese bot screenshots
>>749346894People don't know that Blow hired a young guy to work on the game who died from the Vacco
>>749347014Johnshua Blow
>>749346795
>>749347167Did this he/him find out the MAGA stuff after the 1.4 hours or before itWas he like,>Yeah i saw his trump hat, but lets give the game a shot
>negative review>TOO MANY PUZZLESkek
>>749346314>>749346662that's rating you retard
Dr fauci, blow me a dream, of a game with a sokoban theme. Unless my dearest takes jab, then then I'll cancel you with my twitter tab!
Braid and The Witness were great but after a few hours of moving around blocks I'm bored. Call this a genius masterpiece if you want, it's not my kind of thing.
>>749347470> 1000 levels of Sokoban> What the fuck it's all block pushingYes
/v/'s goat spent 10 fucking years making a sokoban?jesus CHRIST.you low-functioning spergs go on and have your fun, I'll watch from the sidelines in amusement.
>>749347738What games do you like?
>>749346894Why doesn't he have a wife? Surely there are some takers for a semi-famous millionaire even if he isn't handsome.
>>749347243His review doesn't even show that he refunded it. It's probably one of those moral warriors who doesn't even has the backbone to stand in for his believes at the cost of having his toys taken away from him.Same thing as trannylovers boycotting Hogwarts
>>749344298It will fail because just like what Soulja Boy said, his games "ain't got no point"
>>749347792He's an old and bald autist workmaxxingIf you pay attention Bezos got divorced and Musk gets dumped every other year, you can't workmaxx and fit a family in thereHaving said that, apparently he married last year
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=E49H-hm5j80Reminder that Jon is based as hell
>>749347470There's like 50 different types of blocks and 50 different ways to push them and 30 environmental objects that interact with them... this game is much more involved than it looks
>>749347783most genres AND most puzzle games, be it a zachtronics or something easy and artistic like portal or INSIDE or something innovative like baba or superliminal or something that's more abstractly a puzzle game like factorio or something that's more of a classic puzzler like solitaire variants.sokobans are for mouthbreathing spergs on the spectrum but again, have your fun!
>>749335903Right. You see how detractors can't ever make an honest argument. They have to use reductive terms like "block-pushing game" to lie and downplay the achievement.
>>749348108Do you like Void Stranger? I consider myself a hardcore puzzle gamer, but I just can't get into that game.
>>749348554no, but admittedly I only tried it for a few hours.I should make clear that I like jonathan blowjob as a personality on the internet and I wish him success with this game, I just hadnt looked into what he was up to and am thoroughly uninterested by a sokoban no matter the supposed scope. might pirate it and try it for a few hours in the months to come
>>749336151Just beat this one, only took me 10 minutes, but I'm not trying to flex lord knows I get stuck for longer on levels people probably find easy, like that 4 goblin + wizard + cleric tutorial level took me like 45 minutes
>>749348808What if the ending change your life
>>749348508What achievement? Wasting time and effort reinventing the wheel isn't an accomplishment to be praised. It is a deeply personal thing in scope that I'm sure gave Blow personally satisfaction but it means dick all to advancing gaming as a whole. It's not even clear that his pet language project even has any strengths at all. The specs and performance of a block pushing game are pretty fucking grim. It's way too early to declare the game itself an achievement because no one has completed it to a degree to pass a valid judgment.
did they delete the sexy psychiatrist from Mirror Isles completely? i liked that take better
So far the voice acting hasn't made me cringe, Thief is a cute
>>749349068Sounds like tumblr/reddit Outer Wilds bullshit
>>749349486this wasnt me but this is what I would reply lmao. that and learn english, friend
Skipping stones are filtering me hard> First level, only got 4 treasures> Second level, stuck on some random part of it
>>749348508I can spend 10 years filling a 30" x 40" with some artwork made entirely out of my pubes, but that wouldn't create something interesting to engage with for more than a short while. A game is an achievement insomuch as it's worth playing, and brother, most do not want to play this.
>>749349486Outer Wilds genuinely does have a fantastic ending sequence though, even if "changes your life" is a dumb cliche things to say.
>>749349645I had no problem beating the levels, but don't know where to even begin with treasures, I only have 1 which I think the game forces you to get so you are aware they are even there
>>749349775I do think the music is really doing the heavy lifting and pulling on heart strings, because beyond that, there really wasn't much emotional attachment to the characters. In fact I felt it a bit odd that the ending was a reunion of sorts, like it was your coming of age (but end of an age I guess) but you don't even really know them or why they would be important to be there at the end. Most of them I talked to 1 time for 2 minutes during a 25 hour playthrough. The ending was good in a vacuum, just didn't build up to it effectively I find.
>>749332524Having a BLAST with this game
>>749349782It's kind of like the gems thing where you need to use the entire map to solve it. But also you often need to do some bullshit timing things with slowed down time
>>749350145is it like if you send a rock the wrong place 4 screens before you are fucked?
I thought Mr. Blow was a coding genius, why isn't this on MacOs and Linux?
>>749350201Kinda. The last one requires that you finish the first one with a spare rock. And I solved that part but got stumped by the actual puzzle once you use that to get to a new area
>>749349976>there really wasn't much emotional attachment to the charactersThat's not even that relevant, nor why the ending works so well. The first *big* thing is the way the pre-ending sequence is build up in such a way that you, the player, understand the implied consequences of what you're about to do and why you're deliberately doing this from all you've learned in your playtime, which should build up a ton of tension/anticipation. Then you join with God and see the ultimate futility of everything else in the universe.>I do think the music is really doing the heavy lifting and pulling on heart stringsYes, and that's quite deliberate, from the get go the game emphasizes the music and uses that to lead into how it's ultimately to come together.
>>749347792He spent 10 years making this game, wht do you think?Oh wait, you actually believed that story about the Stardew Valley guy being financially supported by his GF for 4 years?
>>749335903>insane accomplishment on every technical levelThe game runs like shit.
>>749350482There is a whole "everyone's here now" campfire and you are saying it wasn't trying to evoke some sort of kinship or something?I might be forgetting the pre-ending sequence you refer to, as in the clues you get to understand what you are doing. All I really remember of the important stuff is the lizard race failed their project, but millions of years later due to the supernova the probe was launched, its been looping for thousands of iterations, you warp to the eye, and then it ends, but I am not really remembering why I needed to warp to the eye. I know removing the core from the ash twin is what stops the looping, so in that sense I was going to die to the supernova no matter what, but what were we supposed to expect in the eye? I guess the only reason I harped on the characters is because its the only thing I really remember about the ending. That and the final splash graphic with the next cycle, which I thought was cool and though provoking.
>>749348108This game has as much in common with talos principle as it does a sokoban. Its not a pure sokoban at all. I'd say a vast majority of the puzzles don't involve specific movements in tight spaces or take into account the order in which a box is pushed so some other box can fit as a requirement to solve
what do Heroes drink if water is novelty in their pocket universe?
>>749351089>This game has as much in common with talos principle as it does a sokoban.well you definitely did not sell me on it
Does someone have a guide for the second west level? there is a gem that I don't know how to get (the one surrounded by rocks)
> Trying to figure out what to do with the extra lilypad + 2 stones at the end of skipping stones level 2 for over an hourPlease tell me it's not a red herring
>>749351504Screenshot the grid it and I can give a hint
this shit stupid as hell manwoooooop
>>749351554the upper left gem, sorry for the quality
>>749350482>Then you join with God and see the ultimate futility of everything else in the universe.Not you again. I already dealt with your retarded nonsense in the last OW thread.
>>749350659>Oh wait, you actually believed that story about the Stardew Valley guy being financially supported by his GF for 4 years?Yes. Is it not? Please tell me now since that's the only story of a decent woman I've heard in modern time and is the only barrier keeping me from full-on misogyny.
>>749347738What have you spent 10 years doing?
>>749351825You don’t need to destroy any rocks to get this gem.
>>749351914I've definitely never had this conversation before and am just pointing out what happens in the ending, which you should keep spoiler-ed. Like, I'm not even religious but don't see how else you'd interpret the ending.
>>749352015Jacking off
>>749351937>credible sourcesAlso she was working two jobs.Notice how gaming journos ran with this story while they attack any other successful indie game that puts AAA devs to shame.
>>749349142>moving the goalpostsIf you care so much about wasted time, why do you make such retarded, ignorant and desperately pessimistic arguments on a topic that doesn't affect you at all, in a mongolian basket-weaving forum? Blow lives in your head rent free, it seems.
>>749349763>another dishonest argumentJust proving my point.
>>749334197true lmao. heroes of sokoban sucks chode>>749334525big gucci soulja never lose>>749343669that's hard to believe until I remember Jon has no strong artistic sense outside of coding and game design. the story seems corny so I don't know if it's the actors fault or if they did they best they could with nothing.
in West after first puzzle, do you only need to get the special gem thing or all normal gems? i quit the level before maxing and it still opened the paths forward
>>749344298This
>>749344298Antichamber was a better game than The Witness.
>>749343669He got robbed
>>749353304Eh, I don't know about that. They're very comparable all round, but I feel like Witness does its larger mysteries better.Anti-chamber does a much better job of not wasting your time on bullshit though.
>>749343716Anon, that's a tutorial puzzle. Your action space is basically a line, how do you get stuck here? Webm related is my first time ever seeing this puzzle.>>749353304No. I love Antichamber, but The Witness is better.
>>749353304Antichamber was mostly just walking around until you found something cool. Some of it was puzzly but I would barely call it a puzzle game, it was more about exploration
I played for just 46 minutes and solved a few of the mirror puzzles. It seems like a really good game. It'll probably keep me entertained for the next few dozen hours.I don't understand why everyone is complaining about the story. So far, I've only seen an old man wondering what that place is, and a canoeist mentioning an oracle. It seems like a decent narrative for this type of game: people raising questions and telling unfinished stories, and you piece them together over time, while solve puzzles.What I didn't like, first of all, is that the game has a lot of smoke effects that drive the GPU crazy. I set all the settings to the lowest possible, so my RTX 3090 stays quiet while I play.Another thing is that the character's movement is a bit unpleasant. It should have more "snap" on the grid and move quickly between the squares. It moves on the grid like an RPG Maker character, rather than a Sokoban character, and that's not very nice...But for the first 46 minutes, I think this is another good puzzle game for a genre that already has a lot of great games. I recommend it.
Beautiful pause menu scene.
>priestess aura shields from all dangers as long as you are in harm's way>literally walk on water if you're fired at by dragoncool moment to continue from where demo ended, didn't expect this interaction
>>749332524I am a certified dumbass I thinkI am already taking awhile and getting stumped on some of these im so early in the game.I went off to go try skipping stones and also got stuck.Mirror isles was pretty good, then I had to make 2 clones, then 3 clones, and soon after got stuck for now.>>749335661I forget how many screens into skipping stone I am. Maybe 5 or 6. It was right after I had to use one stone on the shore to block the 2nd stone and make a land bridge. I keep thinking I have to send a stone back a few screens on the map and then send it down from a strange angle but cant see any way to solve it yet
So how esoteric does this game get?
>>749339868>https://blog.geoffreybunting.co.uk/order-of-the-sinking-star-review/>"Where to start with Order of the Sinking Star? With its director, Jonathan Blow? He has spent the game’s ten year development mirroring right-wing provocateurs while sneering at pronouns, claiming that women are biologically less interested in programming, and acclaiming Donald Trump “the best president we have had in my entire life.” On Covid, he offers conspiracies about its origins and labels its vaccines – which have saved tens of millions of lives – “experimental.”He deleted the blog version and didn't include this paragraph in the official review.Very ethical.
>>749352170
>>749354558>a game journalist decided to leave his personal biases out of the game and reviewed it for what it isNOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>749354869A weaselly game urinalist/activist decided to damage his political opponent and hide his motivation.
By the way, to follow up on a post I made up there... the character's movement is so bad that I wouldn't mind a mod that just makes him teleport between tiles, cutting out the animations entirely. Holy shit, it's awful to move this character.In Sokoban, you just tap the keys and move with precision, but here you have this lazy-ass son of a bitch shuffling around like an obese person between the tiles.
>>749350212Linux can easily run it by launching through steam so idk what you are on about
>>749354992gaming journalists dont have ethics standardsthats why the whole gamergate thing happenedthey continue to not have standards forever so those reviews are what people expect
>>749354597
>>749354053>Some of it was puzzly but I would barely call it a puzzle game, Maybe you should try actually playing it.
>>749332524Perfect timing, just finished Isles of Sea and Sky. Loving Heroes and Promise the most, Mirrors is boring, and Shitting Stones is filtering me.
>>749354869Except he didn't.
>>749352246I don't get your point. Eric himself is the one who told the story and his then-girlfriend now-wife confirms it. If anything, I think the story isn't as altruistic as it seems because his gf lived with him and his parents for years so letting him live with her was more like repaying the favor rather than going above and beyond as a gf but that's still a lot considering how the average woman acts nowadays.
Anti-softlock measure in Beamcasters 2.
For all the chartniggers ITT: this game just reached a new playercount peak.
>invited to depart this world>overworld becomes loopedi had a hunch after seeing this mechanic in the west side, kino
For people that are far into the game: Are there meta/retarded puzzles like the ones in The Witness?
>>749355452Maybe you should try shutting the fuck up
>>749355828The Witness looks like a flop if you look at Steam numbers, but it was insanely successful financially.
>>749355829They spoil this in the trailers.
someone called this odor of the stinking saar and i can't think of anything else when i see it
Trapped forever.
>>749355828Realistically speaking, based on review counts, after steam cut and taxes, game has probably made ~300k on steam. Probably made some decent sales on the switch 2 as well. Gonna take a while to break even, it cost like 27 million or thereabouts.
Is it a videogame or is it an art game like the witness that's full of bullshit?
Game was too easy. Oh well, back to staring at Baba is You maps hopelessly.>>749356702It's a video game.
I'm having a BLAST. Played through Beams+Mirrors for a while, now completing Heroes. Haven't touched skipping stones yet.
>that 3x3 grid displacement puzzlei feel like i'm missing something really obvious holy shit
>>749352149Sorry, I got into this with another anon that was beyond adamant that OW was a religious game. I'm also not antagonistically atheist or anything like that, I'm just tistic about the topic. Spoiler tags on an almost 8 year old game is moot though imo.The whole game deals with quantum entanglement. Recall what happens to quantum objects in the game when they are observed: they collapse into a physical state in a fixed position but technically when they are not observed they occupy all possible positions at once. When you enter the eye you even see another version of yourself. The campfire scene is happening inside of your head as you approach the epicenter of the quantum phenomenon. When you fully reach that panopticon point, the point where you observe every possible quantum state simultaneously, you spawn in all the quantum matter entagled in the phenomenon at once.This is far far more matter than could physically occupy the space and results in a big bang. Basically the Owlks knew that if a being or construct that had the property of manifesting quantum matter through observation reached the physical point inside the eye then it would annihilate the known universe through a gussied up variant of 2 objects clipping in skyrim and spazzing the fuck out.
>>749356702what are you even talking about nigga - you walked around and did some line puzzles
>>749347039Wait really?
>>749357920no. he killed himself while working on the game.tb h i would too if i had to work with blow.
>it's another bard levelplease no
>>749334525what does this post mean?t. greatest generation
>>749332765Nice
>>749356402when you warp into infinity in the purple beam I get unnerved
>>749358646https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSXofLK5hFQ
>>749358646Blow gave some interview where he talked about some of the responses some game of his got, and a documentary spliced in soulja boy comments next to those comments in a confusing way as a joke.
>>749337507Didn't he say he will release the engine and language with the game? Where is it?
>>749356148Yeah there's both the overworld has puzzle elements generally themed around applying what you learn in each field and some of the puzzles are retarded
>>749359569Even just mod tools would make this game basically an infinite puzzle platform.
>>749359569>>749360179just grok it
>>749355829I just started the west side. I got 10 gems. I think I need 12. Theres a (orange? Brown?) Beam that goes to the left side with a red block blocking a 1x1 gem. Its the beam where you teleport 3 steps when moving from it.I dont see a way to get past the red block alive since I can teleport in to get the gem but then cant get out. Maybe im not understanding how the red beam worked. Do I obtain a personal buff of 'you can deactivate red shield blocks if you walk into them from a red beam'? Because the only thing I see is shooting a red beam up into the teleport beam nearby but no way to directly shoot the red block. Or maybe I need to explore the two unexplored sections by getting in somehow with a green beam
manufactured ass successhaven't seen such obvious jeet marketing in a long time, but i can also see idiots are falling for ithave fun with your half-completed puzzle game, you fuckin goys
>>749360540Seethe tranny
While I do think this sort of screen is better than what's in the first skipping stones level, I'm still stuck here, after a lot of experimenting :(
>>749360635you proved his point pajeet tranny
i think a weakpoint of the puzzles is the lack of red herrings. generally anything you see would be used to solve the puzzle, so it kind of solves itself and/or is more easily brute forced. if there is "noise" in the puzzles, it is more difficult to brute force, and encourages more critical thinking as to what would be used to finish it
>>749360540I am having fun. So goy of me to spend $30 on a game that will last me a long time vs. $90 on a 10 hour campaign. Not that I think price should correlate to game length, but you would think since I am such a goy I would buy many shorter AAA games on repeat to line jewish pockets. Retard
>>749360526light hint consider that beam effects work inside the beam and when you exit its radiusbigger hint you can be affected by more than one beam at once. can you mix the effect to get what you want?solution stand two blocks away from red block while standing in crossing of red and orange beam, it will warp you and carry the red effect
>>749361161I prefer no red herrings and the "sokoban community" has largely shifted that way in the past 5 years
>>749360774Do you want a hint?
>>749347167thanks, I was gonna pirate it anyway
>>749332524Jobathan Blowathan does it again
>>749361518I absolutely want a hint. Best I can tell, my goal is to get a rock on the west edge of the pool and a character on a lilypad behind it so they can push it toward the double lilypads.
I'm going to cum.
I thought these were all really fun puzzles, though doing them in complete silence after how talkative the main Heroes levels are was very weird and made the game feel unfinished.
>>749332524>From legendary directorImagine sucking your own dick this hard
>>749332524The Mirror Isles is filthy (in a good way) once you start cloning yourself
>>749338092>It's also #15 in global top seller on steamMeans nothing. The top seller spot is done on an hourly basis and only compares sales done in that period making it very swingy and unreliable.Veilguard was also "top seller" on steam
>>749362564To be fair, though Jon is a fag, the publisher actually adds all of that, not him personally
>>749332524I have been doing over 100 levels blind so far, but I finally had to look one up, and the reason I didn't get it is because I didn't think the grid extended as far as it did. I thought there was an invisible wall where the grid stopped and did not realize I could even move there. It was a Cleric and Thief on the water puzzle. One of the middle-late ones.
>>749338092#15 isn't very good for launch day. Honestly, I think Blow will need to choose a more marketable genre for the next game.
>>749332524nigga got on the nytimes front page today
>>749362945the game has been out a day? if you don't struggle for a week on a puzzle before looking up a solution, you are a certified zoomer npc
>>749363076Well his next game is not a puzzle game.
>>749362023Yeah I think you got the end goal. I personally didn't realize there was walkways all around the edges. Once I noticed that I noticed you can push the rock off the stage in directions I didn't consider. At least I think that's what I did been like 10 hours. More specific hint : I think if you roll the rocks to the previous stage you can retrieve them in such a way that you can manipulate them better. There is also a technique you learned already I believe where you tuck someone in and then roll the rock in front of them so they can get it off the edge of a pool, think how to do that with the lillipad
>>749338257skipping stones has the hardest intro by far
>>749362520There is also a lack of dialog in the whole Heroes and Mirrors section. This is really weird since Heroes and Water was fully voiced even back in the demo. Either cut dialog of they forgot to put it in. In either case, I hope it gets added later.
>>749354869it's pretty obvious he let his personal opinion on blow skew his review
>>749356148there's meta stuff but nothing as tedious as the witness's meta puzzles as far as I can tell
The 1000+ number didn't seem that daunting in the demo when I was speeding through everything, but now that the puzzles are getting harder, I can tell that I will be playing this for a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av_M4S8SK1k>theres no motion vectors so no dlssI wonder if they'll add upscaling support later
>>749363487>Once I noticed that I noticed you can push the rock off the stage in directions I didn't consider.Sure looks like they can only go up and down across the pool to me. Guess I'll continue staring at it until something clicks.
I wanna buy on Switch 2 because handheld and standby but performance seems to be bad.. can anyone confirm?
anyone play this on steamdeck? how is the performance?
>>749364350On the video above blow explores steam deck performance
>get bored 10 puzzles in>realize there are 990 morerefundedloved SSR but this is just itch io puzzlescript slop
>>749364558ah, im super blind
>>749364123You clearly need to get them to be able to go right to left if you want to do anything with a lilly pad. More in depth hint: can you roll the rocks to the right in general right now? I mentioned a different direction, probably something you haven't tried Hint that will spoil the trick: use the previous stage as a way to unstuck the rocks
>>749364620>knows what puzzlescript isFor some reason I doubt you actually refunded
got rockblocked by a nigger pillar yesterday on some island so i'm just exploring the north/west sections for today. has been relatively smooth sailing so far
>>749364620I beat the skipping stones puzzle script game this version is based on and the introduction of a second character in the second level deepens it so far beyond the puzzle script version it's not even funny.
>>749365272he's a great youtuber. funny thing is his content is mostly about deep secrets and that review is only like 300 puzzles in. it'll take a week or two for people to even say something meaningful about the game
>>749364724>probably something you haven't triedWelp, skipping stones has once again made me feel like a fucking moron. Thanks, I've got it now.I'm glad it was "just push the rock" and not "skip the stones into each other to do a frame-perfect deflection." I think the possibility of the latter really made it hard to see the former, but maybe just assuming it will never be something like that will help reach clarity more quickly.
Order of the Shitting Saar
>>749365272I'm wondering if there are layers to the over world or something? I want to say I have like at least 33% of the surface area revealed and I only have 138 puzzles solved in about 15 hours. I know blow clarified that the "over 1000 puzzles thing" doesn't mean over 1000 enterable stages (he counted an individual gem as a puzzle in the first west level for example), but it still feels like it's not adding up. Like I already reached the top and bottom of the map
>>749365496https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHq09lqW9y0
>>749332524I went west first, and got put into a "pocket mine". Like a 4 x 4 grid of rooms and an elevator to another 4 x 4 grid self contained puzzle world. I had to get 20 gems. Was very satisfying. I wonder how many of these there are in the game.
>>749365618It's possible to both be sponsored by a product's maker and genuinely like the product.
>>749365719>I wonder how many of these there are in the gameThere are several. The room grid is a mechanic, but like the beams and carts.
>>749365719I heard there's at least 3 big pocket mine areas with the beamsGoing south to skipping stones, there's a couple mega-levels there too
>>749365816>but*just
I was going to buy this but when I saw some gameplay of the "west" world with all its beams and shit and I realised I just couldn't be bothered with that
>>749365719Minor spoiler I guess, but there are little mini versions too soon after I really enjoy. Like solving one room leads to the next, and to the next, and then maybe you have to go back a few rooms to adjust something etc. I really like those too because they aren't as behemoth as the big ones but also not just simple 1 room puzzles. I've only come across two giant ones so far, hopefully there is more.
>>749365613yeah probably some dark world or the corners are dense with level entrances
>>749365613Look at hidden steam achievements if you want spoilers. The over world is probably only 20-30% of the game.
>>749366134Damn, and fuck no i ain't looking at that. Part of why I'm enjoying it a lot is I am on the forefront haha, I couldn't look up solutions even if I wanted to
Jesus Christ, Blow, what were you thinking? Children could be playing this game. This is evil puzzle design.
>>749367795You could have started from top
>>749367795You're overcomplicating it (though this is what I landed on originally, too).
Enhance.
>>749365834>At least three in westWell, if it's only 3 per cardinal direction that would suck. If there's like 20 of them per cardinal direction that would Jonathan Blow.
>>749368484Most areas aren't big multi-screen puzzlesMost areas are a bunch of one screen puzzles
guys...
>>749368736i solved it immediately after posting
>>749368697How do I check my progress / completion?
>>749368736how
>>749368819https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
Am I supposed to be feeding this lizard my gems or is it gonna fuck me later?
>>749368861start by moving from under the dragon's spawn and then exit to the right as soon as you can
>>749367795There is a part later in this level with three streams going in opposite ways that was making me question if I even did it right given how tight the timing is. The timing isn't pixel perfect but for a game where 99% of the time it's about finding a solution and the execution being trivial, the execution of that part was insanely tight.
Odor of the Stinking Saar
>>749369007story seems to be about greed, so probably.
>>749369007I thought I collected all of them so I started feeding them and he stopped and said I need to keep 8 to get more, only then I realized I missed some. So I think it's a soft lock prevention measure. That being said I don't think anything even required 8 at once
>>749332524What's Soulja's opinion?
Will understanding this be a pivotal moment of revelation rivaling the moment with the river in The Witness? Or will it be absolutely nothing? Only time will tell.
>>749368736Damn never made it that far with the dragon until I beat it and don't remember it at all because I really dislike the bard, I always just end up spamming things until I'm close then think about it, seems like you gotta get the goblin in position, then kill it with dragon, then hide it like you did. Bard is probably the only mechanic I haven't been big on. The wizard can get on my nerves too
>>749368852Pause, load a different campaign, check the save select.
>>749369403>69nice
>>749369403Could it be a coordinate or something? Like those symbols represent the 4 worlds obviously, maybe the true center point is 69,104 up/down/left/right from there, however their coordinate system works. No clue
>>749369403The Sixty-Nine that Stumped the World
>>749369403what if you added 316 to that number?
>>749369403Hopefully, but since that whole intro felt very "you are in queue, there's nobody in the trial atm, so you can go in", it might just be flavor text of how many attempted this challenge before the player character.The tutorial area did have some things you could not interact with however, so it's probably revisitable later for extra reveals.
This game is hard as fuck.I got up to 16 gems now in the west. Did the top layer to 12, went downstairs, got the power glove, got all the downstairs ones I think i can do, went back upstairs, now shit is making my brain melt. Thought I had the solution to one but the green beam foiled me. Add to that the anxiety of pushing a beam starter the wrong way and locking it up. Fuck.
>>749369403It's a Zork reference (69105)
Favourite puzzle so far
>>749370826Oh motherfucker
do i have the right configuration for the four button pushers here? i think the bard needs to move the purple crystal onto the button but separating her from the quadpushers is a pain, so i think my configuration must be wrong.
>>749370965Is there perhaps another character that can move the purple crystal onto the button?
>>749370965I spent 15 minutes here thinking I needed the thief alive to move the crystal
>>749370736I beat it in the demo and it took me a while too, so this time around it was easier. A word of advice, at least for the ones I have done so far, try not to overthink it too much. I haven't encountered any that require a huge rube goldberg, after solving each one it felt like a small mini puzzle independent of other gems. I think you can do most with only a few lasers. I don't know if you want my unsolicited advice about the downstairs, but I did soft lock myself in the demo without realizing for like an hour before resetting and immediately noticed I misplaced something and got it stuck without thinking like an hour prior, so maybe consider a reset and doing them again one by one and not getting too complicated
>>749371782I had the same thought, thinking I needed the crystal to hold one of the yellow buttons.
>>749339868
Update.
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This looks like a really good game to play while drinking or smoking weed.
>>749332524JESUS CHRIST THE CHARACTERS NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP
I've been doing this area for an hour or so and i just realized the characters haven't been talking at all and now i fear my save is fucked somehow and i've missed a bunch of story shit or maybe Jon's budget ran out at this point.
>>749375934Fret not, it's the last one.
>>749344298Correct. That's why Ace Attorney is the best puzzle game.
>>749375537until they do, and then it's too quiet.
>>749375469Holy SHIT this game is huge
i don't understand
>>749376618wrong image
>MWF get to the end of the skipping stones laser mega level and there is a second floor
so close yet so far. in the purple beam hallway with walls in between. figured it out eventually though, had to bring the beam block all the way back
>>749376684The monster wall will reapear if you unfreeze a monster
>>749376684Which part don't you understand? I think the mechanic this depends on has been tutorialized by this point.
>>749376684I did this one last night. I can give a hint if you want. The rock is permanently in the bards path, how have you destroyed rocks before
>>749348024This seems like horseshit, NEETs are some of the most unhealthy people.
>>749376850thanks!
will this run on my thinkpad T480s ?i ave 16 gb of ram
>>749377076Probably not.
>>749377076yes, obviously
the overview map is laggy for me, anyone else?
is there a claude/gpt plays stream of this yet?i'm genuinely curious desu. i think astra would probably beat most of it
did somebody reach the world above or below already?? Im curious
>>749378005Yeah
>>749378476this game is insane man
>>749355828It's peaked the Witness all-time player count. Officially not a flop compared to the last game.
I'm still only on like 170 puzzles solved and getting kind of filtered, I feel like a retard but I love this game
