EMU-wait...DECOMPILATION!
Soul vs Soulless
>>749380797This is the kind of maniac that thinks left looks better.
GO GO GO
>>749380742Decomp on a $10K PC still can't keep up with original hardware running at 15FPS
starfox games always looked so fucking boring
>>749381175>>749380742I can't wait for all these people to get raped in court
>>749382112Lmao no shit can be done. Decompilation only gives the means to actually decompile the ROM, and that's why those projects survive on github of all places. YOU need to get the actual ROM. Face it decomps are here to stay and no amount of pissing and shitting will make them go away.
>>749382302Direct violation of 17 U.S.C. § 1201
>>749381175FIESTAANTIPASTA
>>749382112The Jeannie is out of the bottle, even if one or two people get slapped in court it won't make any difference.
>>749382427you're in violation of the faggot law you'll have to come with me
>>749381175I appreciate the decompilations, but arent't these people spending thousands of dollars in AI tokens? They have that much disposable income?
>>749382427AhemParagraf F
>>749380742Star Fox 1 on 60 fps is great but there are problems with some game elements being tied to fps, making some bosses ridiculously hard.
>>749382912That's good tho? The game is piss easy as is
>>749382717It's not Ai at all, it's an automated process.
>>749380797Faggothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEwJHpEprIw
>>749382427Falss under the interoperability exception.
>>749381830Rail shooters were always a shit genre
>>749381196I take the later so i can play with a virpil mig29 stick to dab on you fags
>>749380742>DECOMPILATIONI propose a new formula sirs>DECOMPILATION+AI
>>749383514Souless2
>>749380742Right is what indies should do instead of keeping all the outdated bad shit because it's RETROOOOO
>>749380797Onions vs onionsless>>749385014Onionsless2
>>749385139right is exactly what they do and it looks like shit
>>749380742Does this means that now an og Xbox emulation/decompilation can be done? There are several Xbox 1 exclusive titles that are lost in that console.
>>749382465I wonder what Danzig is in Spanish?
>>749380742Nintendildos will unironically tell you the one on the left is better despite it being a literal slideshow
Left is borderline unplayable but right is painfully soulless, I don't know which I prefer
I legit don't see merit in the left any longer. If our modern tech can improve something we should. Anything else is nostalgia.
>>749387605just add a shtitty hrt filter on the right and there
>>749389098This. So many of these faggots just don't like change. They have become the old shitty boomers they have talked so much shit about for the last 10 years. >OH MY GOD THIS IS DIFFERENT! >ITS BAD!!!! Get off my lawn!!!
>>749380797fpbp
Is the music any better? The SNES sounded way too muffled.
>>749389032But nostalgia is good. It's the concept of "warts and all".
>>749382427Claude, recomp these laws for me.
>>749380742Finally a game that needed the decomp so it can be approved on. Wish they would stop decomping games that already run well, if not better, when emulated.
No one wants to make Star Fox 2 better.
>>749380742>slower>still uses emulationLame. Call me when it's 100% native
>>749390446The snes sound chip was shit in nature, who is born to be that, will never be the genesis sound chip without shit ass gems.
>>749391163Playing stellar assault and sw arcade on the 32x convinced me that nintendo could do better, but fucking miyamoto said no.
>>749380742
>>749391259>slowerAs much as I'm loath to defend a slopcomp it's actually not. OP's shill webm isn't aligned correctly and the recomp starts on the second ship leaving instead of the first.
>>749393069You can't count, right?
Playing this particular game at a high frame rate actually does unironically ruin the game desu. The movement of the enemies was designed for the low frame rate
>>749393502Why are you so fucking dumb and regressive, lmao?
>>749382427homo sapiens need to kys.
>>749381175What is even the point of "recomping" all those games? They all work fine on emulators
>>749393552I'm not. Normally I dont give a shit. Its just in this particular case with this game playing it at a high frame rate fucks with too much of how the game is supposed to play. Its not like playing OOT at 30fps vs the 20fps it was on n64 or whatever. Playing snes starfox at 60fps totally fucks with how the game plays.
See, this is the problem with these recomps... they aren't accurate and have a ton of bugs and unintentional differences that will NEVER be fixed since the point was just to get clout for the release.
>>74938074299% of it is useless trash made with shit tools to appear on youtube crap
>>749380797t. eyelet
>>749380742I've been reporting every one of these projects to the copyright holders.
uhhh yeah I have eyes nigga. Shut up
>>749380742Made me remember first time playing Starfox on the SNES at my friends house at some year in the 90sThe game blew my mind.
>>749380742I'm waiting for Breath of the Wilds.
>>749391735trannies are so mad
>>749380742buzzwords aside are there any good decomps worth looking into? i love mario64 as much as the next guy but is there something else?
>>749381175CARLITO
>static recompilation shit that basically only spit the console assembly in C macros but it's just as unreadable >pieces of real emulators to do the whole "hardware" part because you can't actually turn the assembler mess into a native windows application without still emulating a lot of shit>gets trounced by 2006 emulators in performance because it's vibe coded trash>many of then just using some vibe coded kit by someone else, so they're basically "dude runs software in a rom" tier of effort.That's 99,999% of these "recomps"
>>749380742imagine miyamoto destroying the building right now
>>749394210Look for the ones with the word ghidra.It means they are an actual attempt at making a C code that compiles into the original game, and is modifiable and compilable and all that.
>>749393670I am not an expert, but my understanding is that improvements are much easier to make when the code is open source.>>749393689There are ways to keep the gameplay intact while making the experience much smoother. I think that the OOT PC port actually keeps the game running at 20fps but interpolates the frames of each separate 3D item to fake 30/60/120fps. That way the game looks smoother without fucking up gameplay.
>>749394424Why did argentina give its sun such a blank expression anyway? Could've made it a jolly sun if I were them, but maybe it's because being born in argentina, there is nothing to smile about.
>>749380742>that controller2soon
>>749394424The emulator part is wrong btw
>>749394195Best part of the guy making the Star Fox PC port is that it's the same guy who made this
>>749394504It's a serious expression, to warn you what happens when you look to the sun.
>>749394606The ones i looked at have emulation bits on it, because it's basically the original code, but being ran in C.The code is made to interact with the hardware of the system, so you need to emulate the hardware.
>>749391735>>749394195trannies spent YEARS hyping up decomps because of mods or whatever and now they're crying that the robot stole their niche
>>749394195The only value that the lumpenprole had in our society was gatekeeping shit like this. Now AI took that away from them. Notice how the most virulently anti-AI people are anime ERPers, furries, trannylators, emulation troons, and "artists."
Does anyone actually play these more than 5 minutes?
>>749394726Most of the complaints it's because it runs like fucking dog shit and it's not useful for anything.You can use LLMs to do real recomps in a fraction of the time, but you need to be someone that at least put the effort of "hey grok, how do i do a recomp like the Mario 64 one?"But not even that is being done.
>>749394838no one plays unc slop
>>749394491>I am not an expert, but my understanding is that improvements are much easier to make when the code is open source. Recompile don't make the game open source, odds are these aren't even true recompile, just emulation wrappers like most ai "recompiles"
>>749380742Is this one of those games where increasing the framerate makes the physics shit the bed or do stuff like make characters take more damage per hit? A lot of older console games had a set framerate and broke if ran above it.
>>749394985If you have a real decomp, you can hunt down and fix these.
>>749394838What we're seeing is a race to the bottom with little to no care. It's somehow more twitter wars and a rush to get some attention for 5 minutes. Something like the Unleashed port or Dusklight ain't gonna come for another while.
>>749395084lots of the AI recomps are good
>>749394863Its mostly giving Michelangelo's painting palette to a 5 year old and expecting them to do what he does. These LLMs are really good at the job, but the people using them are almost universally lazy trend chasers just trying to pad their CVs. Who neither care about the games nor intend to provide any actual TLC to make the decomp run properly after release.
how many times are we going to remake the same fucking starfox game>snes>64>64 remakeeven after 100 years when nintendo makes the switch: brain implant edition, they'll remake starfox 64 for it
>>749394838I played a run of the Star Fox one. Has some glitches like the opening scramble having no audio, some text is fucked up, and the final andross cube has no textures
>>749395315Don't forget 64 3D and Zero
>>749380742Now add Star Fox(26) textures and models pretty please
>>749395184>you're not even doing a decomp
>>749384737Why do they have hardwood floors covering all of outdoors?
>>74939531564 isn't a remake of snes, retard. If anything they should have put the snes levels into the switch 2 remake because they're quite different from the sf64 versions.
I really hate seeing this happen, where someone is asked a question about what THEY are trying to present as THEIR work and get stumped.How is this not a problem or something that we shouldn't be okay with?
>>749380742trash vs trash
>>749382112Rape them in court all you want, what's published can't be unpublished. Not the product nor the technology that produced it. Progress has been made, past tense. You can't stifle it now that its out of the bag. It will only continue to progress and spread. Piracy already exists as a concept and under new law this would be practically synonymous.
>>749396465>it's a decomp>actually just a recomp using dolphin renderer or whatevereverytime. there needs to be a new name for decomps or something because retards who need "help understanding" keep confusing them,
>>749391735Learn to weld tranny
>>749396594welding is already being taken over by robots
>>749380742>removing teh ditheringgay
>>749394838nopeits just aijeets trying to get twitter likes
>>749396465He’s right that it sucks that these morons are illiterate, but as long as the games work I don’t really care.
>>749396465There's a disconcerting shamelessness to this.There's "I don't need to understand it to use it" and then there's "I don't understand what I did". Realizing you fucked up when you showed off something and then couldn't even detail how it happened should be the norm but instead this sort of thing is seen as an innocent response to say "sorry, I can't answer any questions about what I made because I don't understand what you're asking about it".
>>749394959>Recompile don't make the game open sourcehttps://github.com/mstan/StarFoxSNESRecomp>odds are these aren't even true recompile>odds areYou can read the code to find out.The point still stands that these are as good as the original on its target or emulated, and allow for improvements which are very easy to simply validate yourself if you don't trust text from internet people nor the video comparing them with such an obvious difference in things like the resolution and frame rate.Using an emulator has historically been shit for these kind of speed hacks. The only reason they work at all is because of meticulous fine tuning over many iterations of trial and error. You need to hack particular parts of the game and maybe even patch emulators and then that's exactly what you're doing, shoehorning features into the binary and emulated system via hacks that you hope work.Or you could just modify the actual code so the engine not only can handle it properly and more provably via automated tests and static analysis, but also make it easily toggleable at any point during runtime, unlike needing to patch roms and emulators. I'm now reminded of all the bullshittery programmed using tactics similar to malware to capture and inject mouselook into console games.That is not only shitty, it's sketchy. Just let me monitor your mouse movements and keys and manipulate memory across processes at the system level bro, isn't the risk worth it for some jank ass analog stick emulation instead of just actual mouse interpretation. Nah.
>>749380742if one day I can go "hey claude decompile FF8 and completely replace it's gameplay systems with FF7 including materia and create a good balance for the game from the beginning to the end" and it can do it I'd probably pay $10 for a sub.
>>749397050But why would you then share it with everyone instead of just making it something fun for yourself, as if it's something the world needed and you finally came along and gave it to them?
>>749397050Long way off from doing it quickly. The FF8 decomp is about 60% done so soon you could ask Claude to make a mod to remove the drawing shit and make it more basic like FF7, which could be done in a day or less.You would need to test it for at least a week or 2. Claude will get a lot of it wrong balance wise and there is sections in the game that talk about drawing or maybe require it.
People should be unafraid of soliciting AI for DEcompilation. Decompiling is a very sluggish process where machine learning could really add value without leaving the final product as unintelligible slop (since the end product is source code that creates a binary match when compiled, which is a completely deterministic result so no one can dispute what the end result is).
>>749397107Why did you make that post?
>>749396393>peppy slippy falco and fox travel from corneria to venom to defeat androssthey added all range mode and a couple of planets but it's basically the same game just updated for the n64
>>749396668Hows bitching on /v/ pay? :)
>>749380742now increase the render distance
>>749384737what do they eat?
>>749380742>f710 instead of f310gay, cringe, nigger, and soulless, and jewishwireless trash will never be an acceptable way to play a videogame
>AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH FUCKING CHUDS STOP USING AI TO COPY OUR HOMEWORK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>749398961fox pussy
>>749380797shit vs shitless.
>>749380742>>749381175So why not do this for games on stuff that's actually difficult to emulate like the xbox and xbox 360 or more importantly stuff like the sega saturn and sega dreamcast. Even pc-98 games and old windows pc games getting this treatment would be good since those can't run on modern systems naturally by default. Hell, where the persona 1 pc port decomp, yes the first persona game has a pc port from the 90's, and it doesn't work on modern systems, fucking decomp that so people can quit being retards and playing the shitty psp version.
>>749380742despite running more janky, the original is running faster
>>749398619>mario travels to bowser's castle to rescue the princessIt has the same plot but it's not a remake.
>>749399994>and it doesn't work on modern systems, fucking decomp that so people can quit being retards and playing the shitty psp version.You can do this yourself with ghidra and a few hours to decompile the exe. All you would need to do is update the binary from 16bit to either 32 or 64bit. It should be trivial, even for a non-coder.
>>749396583>obnoxiously ignores this game runs at 120fps165fps on my laptop actuallyand APOLOGIZE
>>749400080All the assorted "high FPS" SNES Starfox releases get the game pace wrong because the SNES ties the framerate and game logic to both a 20hz baseline as well as gameplay slowdowns from the amount of models on screen. For a while, the emulated SNES version played at ludicrous speed because the emulator didn't accurately emulate the slowdown, as shown here in this TAS: https://youtu.be/SoIIQyM-PiQ?t=13They'd have to do some weird eyeballed modifications to get it 1:1 with the SNES version for pacing while having higher framerates. For now that one seems content to just make the game run a bit slower overall.
>>749400308Recomps can't add in any crazy changes like decomps can. They are pretty much emulator wrappers.
>>749380797I think you may be a combination of a faggot and a poor person
>>749400463that's fine I will play the decomp when they come outi will play the recomp now, i will play the decomp later
>>749381830Panzer Dragoon was better
>>749380742you didn't played the game
>>749390746Nah dude why settle when it could be better? Anyone would take a 10/10 hottie over an ugly mid
>>749393718Just ask Claude to take the decomp and fix it.
We just need a bomberman blast wiiware decomp with functioning multiplayer and I will never have to play another game again.
>>749400659>putting any effort/care into fixing something generated by someone else without any effort/care
> I WANT WORSE GRAPHICS LOWER FRAME RATES AND CONSTANT CRASHES SO I CAN STICK IT TO AI AFTER MY FURRY PORN PATREON BECAME WORTHLESS!> t Average Nintendo Fan
>>749396465go back
>>749400723my snes doesn't constantly crash like slop does though?
>>749380742Can someone Decompilation Duelist of the Rose/non-TCG Yugioh Game pleaseI do not known how to do it
>>749400723>I WANTNo, you see, we've already had access to these games the way they've always been (the way you can't handle). We don't need to ask for our old games to exist the way we've always played them lol, that's what (You) have to do in an AI prompt to get your broken, inaccurate, amateurish ports.
>>749380742The juxtaposition of 4th gen 3d graphics except running at 60fps (or higher), is jarring and looks stupid and bad.These games do and will always look better in their original resolution, aspect ratio, and running on a CRT or at the very least, with a shader.
>>749400765Never had a single crash on any of these even up to 15x original resolution at 240fps
>>749400843>game from arbitrary generation only looks good by my rulesLuckily people don't care what luddites think.
>>749380742Game was designed and balanced around technology limitations of its time. Messing with the game so it runs better than intended means that you didn't actually play the game, anything else is cope
>>749400931It's not gonna crash because it's not even attempting to stay accurate to the timing of the original, whatever happens it just barrels through because the AI was told to just make it work.
>>749400976You sure showed the thousands of recomp projects with your hot take anon
>>749401030>I shat out 10,000 turds that means they're good and people think about them for longer than the 2 seconds it takes to read the AI generated news blog headline announcing them
>>749401030who gives a shit that games that already ran at 60FPS can now run at higher framerates with no benefit but justifying owning a 165hz monitor
>what about LE GORILLIONS of abandonware with 0 players?
>>749401082This one turd is a bigger achievement then anything you ever have or ever will shit out in your life.
>>749401030>thousands of recomps>absolutely no hypeIt's genuinely impressive how quickly AIfags manage to make everything cool about AI into slop that they spam en masse with no quality control.Then they actually try to argue using economics and the industrial revolution despite making zero dollars off any of the recomps and objectively losing money themselves to generate something that prevent rights holders from making a legitimate product.
>>749394627Ah, that's a shame. The guy is super talented, so I'd hope he'd actually put out a decomp instead of a static recomp
>>749401095Plenty of people do because the threads pop up, the downloads are rolling in, the reddit and x threads are made. You're such a minority opinion its laughable.
>>749401014So it works and that makes you upset? Ok that's cool I guess
>>749401126the AI's turds*surely you are not trying to claim credit for the AI taking shits because you told it "take a shit that looks and smells like THIS"
>>749401176yeah i already know you've gotten like five dollars in youtube revenue, video game esoterica, nothing to be proud of yet
>>749400974>But a machine made this icewut
>>749401189>so it worksIs that really the bar you set for enjoying a game??? That it WORKS!?
>>749401138>he needs hype to play his vidya Cumbrained room temperature IQ.
>>749400719>But I don't want to le work
>>749401224Not your work.Not my work.It's the AI's work.
>>749380742recommend me 3 top recently release recomps to play while baked, preferably nice music and colors and low pc specs needed
>>749401219Yeah. Why would I play something broken that sucks? Are you retarded?
>>74940119You have never accomplished anything. You only shit on other works. Absolutely pathetic existence
>>749401030I love how this >>749400976 is actually a pretty long-standing opinion and is especially prominent on /vr/ with any ports or mods or decomps, for years, but now you think solely about the recomps when it comes upIt's almost like you're a tourist when it comes to retro games and have no idea what the discourse is
>>749401212That's the beauty of this. It's a labor of love. There's no money being made here. It's for the love of the hobby
>>749401251Twilight Princess, the baby puzzles will stump your retarded mind
>>749401223Why would anyone care then?You can already play Star Fox at 60fps and higher resolutions (along with all these recomp'd games) using an emulator. In fact, most of these "Pc ports" are literally EXEs with the roms and emulators copiled into a single program with enhancements/hacks enabled by default.
>>749401214used to be that ice was carved from more arctic regions and shipped elsewhere in the world by boat after being insulated with straw and other such, unfortunately the AI doesn't know this because of a PEBCAK problem and refrigeration and ice-making were known things that could happen (but not commonly used or highly scaleable yet) at the time of the industrial revolution
>>749401296>laborhuh?>love of the hubbyhuh?
>>749401317Using "cheats" to unlock 60fps is retarded. The emulator should have that built in
trannies are increasingly upset that anyone can do the shit they base their lives around (like drawing furry porn or emulating video games) by clicking a few buttons lol
>>749401254>the original game is broken and sucks so an even more broken and worse version is better because...You didn't think this argument through, huh?
>>749380742more like decomposition
>>749401330dude UTTERLY ignored the mention of video game esoterica lol. guy that's showcasing all these AI slop recomps for youtube clicks and subreddit clicks
>>749401317You may settle for 60fps but some people want more. >>749401330Githubs have to be made. Updates to patch the games. Spreading the word to people. It takes time.
>>749401363I didn't say anything about the original game you dumbass
>>749401353Emulators try to provide an accurate gaming experience and are the work of many gifted programmers working long hours for no pay.Your recomps are the exact opposite in every way.
>>749401224>>749400659It's a legit complaint people will shit out a buggy slop coded port and then not bother to fix it or playtest it. They just want twitter clicks.
>>749401376Who gives a fuck about some greasy youtuber we just want recomps
>>749401367he still got it
>>749386239Yes. Currently I'm running Dante's Inferno and Eternal Sonata. I use quiverlauncher:https://github.com/tgeorgiadis/quiver-launcher. Waiting for someone to pick up Tenchu Z.
>>749401356hey anon i set up a new memecoin, you should dump your life savings into it because it'll piss off the trannies and make them feel bad
>>749401356Consumers have already soundly rejected AI artworks being used in any media. Sorry but you've already lost the battle over AI art, you're literally only fighting for AI coding and mass production at this point because most consumers refuse to buy things whenever they realize an AI generated it.
>>749401393>making a github is laborhuh?>posting about it is laborhuh?
>>749401486quiet trannyrecomp your penis
>>749401440>who gives a fuck about the greasy youtuber that encourages these things to be pumped out so he can make a video about itGuy owns the r/recomp subreddit. It's a crypto rugpull in video game form, anon. I'm somewhat embarrassed vicariously that you don't see it for what it is.
>NOOOOOOOOOO>OLD GAMES THAT THOSE POOR MULTIMILLIONAIRE COMPANIES THAT ALREADY SOLD AND DISCONTINUED ARE GETTING UPDATES, IMPROVED AND MODDED FOR FREE>#NINTENDO #CIA #FBI #SANTACLAUS #POTUS #ZOG DO SOMETHING!!!!!why is /v/eddit like this?
>>749401356Your life should be about more than thinking about trannies.
>>749401353gameshark "cheats" are memory edits, and most emulators nowadays do just have universal 60fps and widescreen cheats either built-in to the settings menu, or can just download a file with every known good cheat for every game in a second
>>749380742did uncs seriously play this shthat plane is like 12 triangles lmao
>>749380742>if you like AI you are indian coded>if you don't like AI you are brownI am confused...
>>749401509>Consumers have already soundly rejected AI artworks being used in any media.I know you're trolling (dial it back) but it's being used in every game and movie that has come out in the last year
>>749381196If anything, the game itself runs a bit too fast. It takes a lot of fine-tuning to get the speed right.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88FFBZmMVeg
>>749401461>tags with AI and mostly AII appreciate this. I still use those ports, since I'm not a tranny, but I just like to give credit to the others that actually put the work in. Credit to effort, not to paying for tokens.
>I want 200FPS at 4k resolution and low latency >YOU CANT HAVE THAT PLAY THE WAY THE PROGRAMMERS MEANT TO OR THE WAY TRANNY EMULATOR DEVS FROM 15 YEARS AGO MEANT FOR YOU TO...>no
>>749401548Why would I want updates, mods, and debateable improvements from some faggot that can't or won't do itClaude's doing it, he ain't doing shit
>>749401548>getting updates>modded>improvedName one AI recomp that got these to any substantial degree.You're thinking of real recomps like SM64's PC port and OoT's.
>>749401510time equals labor
>>749401596>getting angry at people who have access to something you can't affordfucking poorfaga
>>749401635so, it's not labor then?
>>749401567you are a reddittroonfrog poster
I can't even browse this fucking board anymoreeveryone is is just larping, shitposting or false flagging their retarded opinions behind 10 layers of irony and buzzwordsI hate every single one of you niggers
>>749401547> Talking about recomps is a crypto scam!
reminder that tranny commie theory states that labor = valueso when you can do what they value with no labor it makes them seethe>what you made was shitty. I made it better with an AI>but I put a lot of time into that!trans logic
>>749401672I'm guessing you have a snail-cat folder.
>>749401461That's pretty cool. I've always wanted to try Viva Pinata desu
>>749401571And everyone who uses it is trashed and abandoned by consumers who spend their money on something else.Literally every single piece of media that announces AI usage experiences a drop in interest and sales, which is why they always diminish and hide their AI usage instead of announcing it loudly.Nobody who wants to make money off their products EVER tells the truth about their AI usage, they always try to downplay it... because otherwise they lose consumer interest.
>>749401640All that money and you still couldn't get the frames or the resolutionKWAB
>>749401724>all that moneywe bought these on monthly allowances as kids lmaosorry you missed out
>>749401749Missed out? I'm playing at 200fps and 4k res. Thanks for beta testing KWAB
>>749401675Hitler said that.1 Reichsmark equaled 1 hour of work.
>>749401715Yeah and that's gay because AI isn't going anywhere. You can cry bitch and moan all you want but this is just part of modern tech and it's only going to get more and more advanced no matter how much you thrash and cry
>>749401774hitler never said thathe didn't even speak english
>>749401263Game difficulty being tied to framerate seems to only ever get discussed with console exclusive games. Nobody would say that you didn't beat Dark Souls because you used the 60fps mod or played the remaster, even though it would technically be an easier experience. I doubt the frame dropping in Bligttown part of the developer intended experience.
I just don’t think about trannies in my day to day life. What does this mean?
>>749401715consumers have roundly rejected textiles which were created using tractors and gins. this is true because I said it.
>>749382112Let me play my 30 year old games in peace you faggot.
>>749401659Remember, this is the mods' "vision" for the board
Ludditefags are losing more ground by the dayPlease keep arguing its futile
>>749401839You've been able to do that for 30 years with emulators already. Honestly these fifty fucktillion recomps are harder to keep track of than emulators. Disjointed save data locations, bugs the emulators don't have, still need a ROM file anyway. What's the point of a recomp?
>>749380742but why is it the Oceangate Logitech controller?
>>749401867I really doubt it's natively. They're probably using Eden or Yuzu.
>>749401770Using the Star Fox port as an example, that PC port has no audio in the opening, all the audio is desynced, it runs too fast (the animations are sped up, not just displaying smoother), effects are broken across the board giving an unfinished and amateur ish appearance, and the final boss lacks textures when the SNES could do the texture mapping.So, no, you aren't playing the same game as me nor even a better version lol.You are literally playing an unfinished sloppy port. No different than all the shitty Japanese PC ports of the 2000s/2010s.
>>749401882Imagine the mods......the potential........................
let me explain to you why you didn't enjoy the thing you thought you did actually
>>749401809>Nobody would say that you didn't beat Dark Souls because you used the 60fps mod or played the remasterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHC1230OpOg
>>749401894It's almost certainly just a Vulkan renderer with Yuzu running underneath the surface, Claude has no method of even probing around in Switch code or documentation that I know about.
>>749401809You did not beat Dark Souls.
to enjoy the thing you have to actually experience it first
>>749401867Luddites have completely conceded on the matter of progress. Now it's just a new meta, where they remind you constantly that the AI made the project, not you. Seems to be working pretty well for them, since there's some fags around here that get really fukken upset when this gets pointed out.
>>749401930decomps are good for modding, not recomps.go ask claude if it can mod spawn into the SC2 GC recomp.
>>749401895No sir I played and thoroughly enjoyed the high refresh rate star fox recomp and will move on to crash team racing tomorrow thank you for your concern.
>>749401882>emulationhaving to emulate the original machine>recompgame running nativelywhy is that too hard to understand?
>>749402013>"i enjoy broken inaccurate versions of beloved games!"Ok, nigger
>>749402015>game running nativelyThat's not accurate
>>749401658pepe is cool and hip
>>749401884It's so popular that it represents "I'm playing this on PC". The Gravis Gamepad once filled the same role.
>>749402015>why is that too hard to understand?Because I actually know how emulators work, and recompilation is not a new technology by any stretch of the imagination. Think back to poking around emulator plugins, if you ever saw "dynarec" or "dynamic recompile" in a plugin or changelog then you've already been staring at recompilation for decades and you got dazzled by the slop machine doing it.
>>749401894Some of these fags are just saying words that they don’t understand when they upload shit. Just say. “I did a recomp via Claude, play it”
>>749401659unironically go to reddit for serious discussions lmao
>>749402015>it uhhh liek works differently int he computer brains thingyanswer the question of how it matters or improves things for me
>>749402039Aww someone upset an anon is having fun? Sit down little guy and tell me what's wrong.
>>749402015how does that change your life, personally?
>>749402091>I'M HAVING FUN ROLLING IN SHIIIIIIT
>>749402091>IM HAVING A BLASTlmao AIfags have lost it
>hey I just put sonic in mario isn't this cool>THAT'S REALLY FUCKED UP ACTUALLY NO ONE LIKES AIcalm down
>>749402091rise up fellow blasthavers!!
oh it's a discord. of course it is
>>749402128>hey I just put sonic in mario isn't this coolBut you didn't? The AI did that.
>>749402112>>749402112>No...no YOU ARENT HAVING FUN STOP THATbrainrotted
>>749402128>isn't this cool This thread is full of AI niggers openly saying their recomps are objectively superior versions of the games, not people saying it's cool or neat.Don't change your arguments when you realize nobody agrees with you, coward.
>>749402179Oh its 100% objectively superior go back to your 15 fps ocarina of time you retarded oldfag
>>749402162It's pretty much the same thing as those off-topic /pol/ threads that fill up instantly and somehow don't get deleted
>>749390835I'm sorry but I can't do that.
>>749402113kek
>>749402212Yeah I agree and I'm an oldfag
>>749402212I did, it's still one of the greatest games of all time.Did your 200fps widescreen version give you the same feeling? If not, then it must be objectively inferior.
>look someone ripped out the super mario 64 character controller 6 years ago so you can mod it Mario into other games, and now (I) can ask Claude to do the modding for me and not have any idea how to fix it if there's errors
>>749402253>the same feelingit's the exact same game at a smoother framerate. so yes?
>>749402162what you don't have discord? You don't want to talk to weirdos to play games?
>>749402290The credits still don't even work even this long after the port's release, because nobody cares because nobody actually plays these ports to experience the game but to experiment with retarded mods.
>>749402348>the creditstalk to me when there's an issue with the game faggot
>>749402274just tell claude to fix them
>>749402348Oh no not the credits the entire experience is now ruined
>>749401307ty i'll give it a shot
>>749402348>Only problem I encountered was during the credits fellow anonsnot fooling anyone
>>749402368I mean, if you want to get into that... you realize that the game still runs at the same tick rate as the N64 version, right?The port displays more frames and interpolates, but the game itself still calculates everything and accepts inputs at the same rate the N64 version does.That's why the credits don't work and why no matter what fps you play at, the game will still be just as responsive as the N64 version. The logic is still the same, it's just hijacking everything to display using modern graphical APIs.
>>749402450>>749402512>be stupid>don't realize what the broken credits actually meanssee >>749402539It's not your fault!Your port is still running at the same internal speed and logic as the N64 version.
>>749402572>Your port is still running at the same internal speed and logic as the N64 version.Claude will fix that
>>749402112this image fits the anti ai tards quite well
>>749402539>>749402572I'll let you know when I give a shit
>>749402572What is the importance of end game credits running?
>>749402738take a lap
>>749402750>what's so important about the ending of the game???
>>749402795>List of dead japs>end of the gamepick one
>>749401675good point, rashik
>>749402795Kek so absolutely nothingYour concession has been accepted
>>749402750OoT's credits are also its ending sequences, showing what happens to the future world after Ganon is defeated, showing Link going back in time to stop Ganondorf in the past, and showing Navi leaving Link which sets up the story of Majora's Mask.It's not my problem if you faggots think the ending of a game is a just a minor aspect of it that isn't needed, but don't try and project that retarded opinion onto others.
>>749402820>>749402863I was starting to suspect that you guys never played OoT in any way, not even the PC port, but thanks for confirming it for me!>https://youtu.be/InkKkTcw9_A
>>749402883Why are you assuming the credits don't work in OOT?
>>749402905Concession accepted see you at the next recomp thread release tomorrow
>>749402907do you guys pretend to be retarded or does it come natural
>>749402907They are out of sync in terms of sound and picture, aka broken.You play a game for hours and then you get to the ending and everything is busted and wrong, everything is fucked up and amateurish, everything is slop.Is that what you want people to experience??? This is your definitive version???
>>749402935>>749402961I think you're both retarded, works fine on my machine
>>749402905Actually since Nintendo couldn't even figure out how to properly roll credits and just slapped a VLC file in the GC re-release, watching a YouTube video is Canon
>>749402992Wrong, it's still not fixed AND the devs have publicly complained about people demanding it be fixed because it is too hard for them to figure out due to how specific the timing is and how INACCURATE THEIR PORT IS.
>>749402996Do you ever hear anyone claiming Master Quest was the definitive version of OoT?No?huh....
>>749403050>the devsthey aren't devs
>>749403071It's an official nintendo release so its Canon. Lurk more newfag
>>749403050I have a save right before I beat Ganon, give me 20 minutes and I'll upload the entire sequence
>>749403095>N64 OoT>canon>definitive version>Gamecube OoT>canon>inferior version>PC OoT>noncanon>inferior
>>749403071Who said anything about it being definitive? You just add words to try and prove your point. You are clearly jewish. Shalom
Which ones have actually been tested and run flawlessly? I see people shitting out a dozen decomps a day, no way are those being gameplay tested.
>>749403143>jewish>trannyI'm just an educated white male, the worst nightmare of people who wish to enforce AI onto us without us fighting back.
>luddites unironically dont want thishttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ODI5tFCk6ms
>>749403289Kek you're so well educated you throw in words that weren't mentioned to make a point (unsuccessful). Shalom rabbi
>>749403298>people doing this instead of asking Claude to remake MG1 and 2 in the Fox engine
What if he was right all along?
let's be real nobody gives a fuck about Zelda 64I ported XBLA Virtual On Oratorio Tangram and now have claude rebuilding the renderer in directx12 to get rid of the Xbox 360 restrictions that prevent the game from running at normal resolutions, the 360 had so little VRAM that even for a decade old dreamcast port they had to tile the screen 4x which prevents rendering at fractional resolutions like 1920x1080. now the game runs like raped ape and looks amazing. Probably going to implement raytracing for lulz.
>>749403332The point is that you are desperately throwing every label you can at me to distract from your slop getting called out.Israel has no right to exist and Jews are demonic, they are also the top supporters and funders of AI.
>>749403158>Which ones have actually been tested and run flawlessly?you're sort-of forced to check each github for claude as a contributor and abandon ship if you see it, additionally look to see if the github's readme.md reads like an AI generated it or do a very cursory sweep to see if the code has comments that stink of AIzelda64 team's recomps are the only guaranteed clean/tested/working ones that i know about, majora's mask and banjo-kazooie and some other games
I'm using it to make an old game no longer require a wrapper to work on modern windows, and it's fucking working.
>>749391735>anime pfp poetry
>>749403398Kikes understand how to disguise themselves as goyim for survival purposes. I see you sniveling disgusting kike. Gb2 oven
>>749403420Yeah, I guess if you hide the wrapper for the ROM and emulator inside an exe then you don't have to "use a wrapper" given you are already using one without even noticing/caring.
>>749403298I want combo games with a real gameplay loop.
>>749403457I notice that every setting is way better than it is on an emulator
>>749396753jeets don't play video games nor do anything for free
>>749403420Is there a benefit to that because I don't know what's wrong with a wrapper
>>749403441>"im not a kike, guys!!!">defends unrestricted AI usage>argues like a kike by calling your opponents any label you can think of to discredit themNice try, kike.Christ is King.This is where you pretend to be pagan
>>749397008>The point still stands that these are as good as the original on its target or emulatedThe example you posted has bugs that are unique to this version. The high framerate is nice but it fucks up other shit. if it ever gets fixed it won't be for a long time because that guy is a huge slopper who pumps out ports for clout then moves on
>>749403398im whiter than you and you dont represent me faggotI will be fucking robot bitches while you seethe, jobless in a gutter like the pajeet you probably are
this recomp shit really shows how tranny infested this site isI wouldn't be surprised if they are responsible for 90% of the xitter threads too
>indians and browns aggressively argue in favor of not maintaining things after making themnice, sure makes me want to try your ports out for myself
>>749403519Jesus is the greatest man to ever live. God is evil.
>>749403519your religion is spiritually irrelevant and you believe in jewish fairy tales sad, probably circumcised too
>>749402931Confession denied, see the vibecoding generals.
>>749403616>"whiter than you">defends kike hegemony and takes the side of third-worldersYou're not keeping up with current trends! White countries despise AI.
>>749403673no that was Adolf HitlerJesus was a cool guy whose words were twisted by other men's greed into nothing resembling his original teachings. You are a fool and you belive in Harry Potter fanfiction.
>>749403616>I will be fucking robot bitchesthis is what jeets actually believe
>>749403535The same is true for emulated until they get patched to. But once they are, that's it, it's done.This isn't subjective, it all boils down to measurable and more importantly, provable math. Regressions are pretty rare in this case, and we're at a technical point where progression is able to be automated.You need not depend on the original author or his particular methods either. This is the benefit of open source.Even you could try to fix whatever bug you're encountering. Anyone in the thread could combine efforts as well.It seems unlikely any issue will last, even if all of humanity decided to abandon it since we now have programmable agents with gradual advancements in both software and hardware. Literally all the worlds money is going into these kinds of things, it's not likely going to be something people just forget about and "move on". It's not feasible.
spending friday night arguing about ai recomps
>>749403735That’s only because whites care about art. This decomp recomp shit is irrelevant to that argument. A white person can just identify ai gen images in a way others can’t.
>>749403735oh dont worry we will eliminate all the juice once the big zam is mass produced
>>749403761>friday
>>749403735>Brownest countries are also the most anti AIEHMAGINE MOY SHOOCK
>>749403735This is what I'm going to do to Nigeriahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO9ctKn_Mdc
>>749403834>reads graphs and data backwards>Nigeria, Vietnam, and India (biggest AI lovers) are not brownhello retard
>>749403757That's a lot of words to say "bugs can be fixed doe" which sure they probably could, but will they? You couldn't pay me to trudge through that code to find out where it fucked up, and I don't want to pay for an AI to do it.The people that pump out this shit do it for clout, or at best a toy project that they aren't taking seriously. None of them care about accuracy or not having bugs. They care about the first level running well enough for a video to be made about them before they move or they get bored.
>>749403395>back and forth establishes concretely how this shit is slop that still needs effort to fix and run right>uh let's just move on from this guyswowowowowowowow
>>749404031It's funny you reduce the post to one point then follow up on the rest of what I said.I already addressed this. You don't have to and you don't have to pay either, whether you use AI or not.>The people that pump out this shit do it for cloutLOLYou're dead serious.
I'm starting to think many of you would rather kill yourselves if AI ever found a cure for a rare illness you have.
Speaking of the Zelda OoT PC port... it was revealed just a week ago that they vibecoded the entire thing and lied about it. Everyone that pointed to SoH as a prime example of a decomp/recomp done by programmers was duped; it was all claude.
>>749404117There are some that pop up that act like they didn’t use ai.
>>749404130I think people just goad for interaction out of desperation. I don't think they even care about AI at all. It's just the current hot prod.
>>749404130You’re retarded. People are just arguing that people should bug test their recomps if they plan on releasing them.
>>749404117>LOL You're dead serious.NTA but he is not wrong.I've never seen any of these AI recomps get any bug fixes or accuracy tweaks once released on github, and this thread clearly demonstrates that any and all flaws will be defended by pro-AI people.
>>749404163Yeah that one guy did it that time you saw it so they all do it for that reason. I swear on my life they do, you gotta trust me.
>>749380797Why did this trigger all of India?
>>749404130>AI faggot unironically comparing his sloppy ports to curing life-threatening diseasesfuck off
>>749404117Yes. For what other reason can you justify creating over 50 slop recomps that aren't finished beyond an initial buggy release? He gets is video game esoterica video, some likes on reddit, then he slops up another port and repeats it again.
>>749380797Retarded faggot
>bro what if AI cured cancer? check mate
>>749383593lmao bodied that freak
>>749399806Kek
>>749380742tendies on suicide watch again
>people only respect asian and indian immigrants because they were assumed to be smart and good at computers/math>they are all replaceable with an AI>they are all using AI for everythingIt's good to know that Indians and Asians no longer have any right to move to White nations!
>>749404210If this is actually about making old games playable, these things need to be bug tested. Like at least one playthrough at minimum to see if there are any hitches. When you upload something, it should be play perfect for whoever chooses to download it.
>>749404204It's weird how there are people that play the game to completion and there's videos of these being posted, but not videos or accounts of specific bugs. It's also weird how people are posting easily disproven claims.>>749404226>For what other reason can you justify creating over 50 slop recomps that aren't finished beyond an initial buggy release? I assume you're being dishonest considering this is /v/ and you are acting like you don't see the value in this.But I'll answer you seriously.50 projects, is 50 games.How many buggy unfinished games you got in your steam library and/or console collection?Now how many of those can you even potentially improve or change yourself?Why would anyone want total control over 50 games they have an interest in.Why would anyone work on 50 things at once while utilizing something that is highly parallelization.Why would someone make videos, promoting 50 projects that are all open source that anyone can contribute to, also in parallel and at scale, towards a common goal of having a program they all want to use.Am I being accurate in what you're asking?Does this clarify? You negative nancy.
>you should be thankful that i gave you a broken inaccurate pc port! you would've had to emulate it or play it on real hardware!!! THANK ME!!!!
>dogmatic slaves defending their ancient skydaddy fanfics and trying to pretend fucking nintendo games are some kind of highly intellectual spiritual artform akin to ancient scriptureanyone who brings race or religion into an argument about an entertainment product is a certified swarthoid or darker, real white people do not give a fucking shit about anyone with the complexion of dirt or any of their works.
>>749404414who u quote?
>>749404373>It's weird how there are people that play the game to completion and there's videos of these being postedPost one right now and I will find you bugs or inaccuracies.
>>749404363Your butthole should be perfect for anyone that chooses to spread it
>>749404451so you don't know?
>>749404454Good to know you have no argument.
>>749404086consoles are trash and everything should be made for pc more at 11
>>749404452Your reply doesn't make sense to me.I'm saying post the bugs that are a problem to you.How am I supposed post an example when I'm the one requesting them. Did you play this recomp? What was wrong with it? Post your experience, why is that so hard.
>>749404454>AI gets criticized>fantasizes about gay rape to get revenge
>>749404516You said the bugs don't exist because you see full playthroughs without bugs being posted.So provide one since you brought them up, and I'll show you the bugs you claim you cannot see.
>>749404519>gayThe slip up here is incredible. I wonder if you'll notice it.
>>749404473That was just a statement not an argument. I'm gonna rape you
>>749380797Saying this is like saying you want poop to be cleand off the stret you are not very wise in your action sirs
>>749404568Yeah, it's super incredibly gay to talk about spreading another man's ass open and talks about their asshole being 'perfect.'
>>749404204anything made for a real platform (not Nintendo slop) is pretty much bug free and works exactly as it did on console.
>>749404552Anon what the fuck are you saying.I'm the one asking for example. And your reply to that, is to ask me for examples.If all I've seen, are bugless examples, what am I supposed to provide you.You're the one saying these games are buggy, so I assume that means you played it and encountered the bug.If it's as bad as you say it is, why can't you prove it.
>>749404623>man'sTwice, and whence the source.
>>749404373I literally played the star fox one today. I have listed the bugs I encountered during it. >>749395332During the opening of the very first level the audio doesn't play correctly. A bug that early on should have been caught immediately. As the other anon you're trying to argue against is saying, the people working on these don't know the games well enough to recognise bugs that don't immediately break the game.
>>749404623better start grooming that hole nigga
>>749404629nta but stop it with the pilpul kike. he clearly asks you to show him one of those pristine bugless examples you claimed to have seen
>>749404629>what are you sayingLearn English then reread it.>I'm the one asking for example.How can that be? This thread literally begins with a webm demonstrating that the Star Fox PC port is running too fast >>749380742
>>749390446I suppose there is nothing stopping anyone from recomping games and asking the AI to remap the sounds to match the audio chipset to be like that of another console or something. But it wouldn't redo the soundtrack.
>>749404569You can’t though. You have a smaller dick than me. It doesn’t work that way.
>>749404779I don't mind raping your corpse if you'd prefer
>>749404663>nah im not gay i just assumed this random poster was a woman before i threatened to rape their ass!Keep digging that hole, fag.
>>749404808You type like a person with deep insecurities.
>>749404831Like you with your small cock?
>>749404808Why are AI fanboys so gay and angry?Are they closeted??
>>749404629I've vibecoded two ports and a OBD2 car diagnostic scanner and they all work flawlessly, what few bugs exist is due to me not being specific enough with directions or a bug existing in the original game. I typically use a local claude instance and a cloud one in concert, the cloud one analyzes the locals code for bugs and creates a branch of fixes that I let the local implement. the car scanner app could easily brick my whole car but it doesnt. It literally just werks lol
>>749404864What are you even saying dude I HATE AI!!!
>>749404671>A bug that early on should have been caught immediately.You did. I'm sure others did too.What do you mean?There's an entire issue tracker. How is this any different from typical emulation progression. Besides the fact you could sick OpenCode on this right now for $0 if that's a priority to fix.What is this appeal to "people don't know how", not only is this baseless and untrue, we're beyond that point technologically anyhow. There's no excuse, and you're going to have a hard time generalizing the entire public considering these are open source projects. You're trying to imply that nobody understands any of these. That's a big claim with little reason.This thing spawned out of the binary somehow. Whether the author knew how or not, it progressed this far using those capabilities, why assume it stagnates here? All of history with these kinds of projects is showing otherwise. Now in the current generation of the same concept, suddenly it's impossible to fix bugs. Even though the tools are better and more automated. Doesn't add up, and doesn't seem to reflect the current reality either.>>749404696>wah wah wah, please some for mekek>>749404736Good joke.
How it started:>you are nitpicking and lying! these pc ports are great and a service to the world!How it's going:>im going to rape your corpse if you dont shut your fucking mouth about my AI slop!!!
>>749404824The implication that you read "spread ass" and thought of gay sex. You thought that.
>>749404941I'm the guy talking about raping corpses and I despise AI
>>749404941Is this happening on github or where? Author melty? Post link.
>>749404973>im retardedok>>749404954>im gayokwhat a thread!
>>749404941it would be way different if the ai antis weren't foaming at the mouth and invoking jesus, the sloppers seem totally sane in comparison
>>749393670so like 10 autists can enjoy modding them
>I've personally seen countless bugless full runs being posted>no I won't share a single onereally makes one think
>>749404906Nice try faggot.
>>749405019Which post?
>>749405019wembo limit is 4mb and a minute 20 you retard
>>749405027Clean and shave your asshole on 11/03/2026
>>749405046see >>749404373>It's weird how there are people that play the game to completion and there's videos of these being posted
>>749405019Played to completion >>749396465Videos being posted >>749380742Why are you like this?
>>749404908>What do you mean?He didn't or he would have fixed it.>How is this any different from typical emulation progression.If he cared he'd have noticed the bugs himself and made the issues to address later.>What is this appeal to "people don't know how"It's not that they don't know how, it's that they don't know what they're looking for. They don't even realise the bug is there because they either don't know enough about the game they're porting, or they never even played the game to that point to see it
>>749405058>>749405046>It's weird how there are people that play the game to completion and there's videos of these being postedthe videos saar?
>>749405082This >>749405086And those were posted BEFORE >>749404373 you dumbass.
>>749401224>your failyDo AI tards even do any QA on the shit they're prompting?
>>749405132They can't even understand English.
>>749394368I can sing and I can dance I'm very nice and hot and spicy
WAIT... BUGS!
>>749384737GO GO GO
>>749405173after threatening to rape their critics, the AI fags now retreat back to claiming the bugs are inconsequential
>who cares about bugs lel
>>749405118here's my virtual on ot port with restored split screen running on two monitors, in single player mode the second display shows the live monitor of the fight just like the original arcade cabinet.
>>749405237Why don't you play them and report bugs? Hardware too slow?
>>749405247ok but you aren't actually having fun because this wasn't ethically pirated
>>749405247Yeah but where's the evidence? You could at least post a video.
>>749405284I legally own this game in several formats including a sega model 3 arcade board.>>749405294that is a video you webmless iphone babby
>>749405282Ummm, you're supposed to be arguing that your ports allow everyone to experience a game trapped on a console... not saying your ports can't be run without having top-tier PC hardware...I guess you forgot the entire thread-long defense of these ports up until now.
It is pretty funny how aifags resort to rape after being told their games may need a second pass.
>>749405364I can't be certain, but I'm pretty confident both of those posts are sarcastic.>>749405247Sorry I just don't believe you. It's not possible.
>>749405392AI usage and affection for it is exclusive to browns and untalented people.
>>749405389>yourAnon really thinks
>>749381175Resident Evil already had a PC port though
>>749405392that has nothing to do with the games tbqh i just find it amusing to tell other men ill rape them
>>749405439I think the ai decomp and recomp stuff has genuine potential for game preservation. I’d just like the people that put them together to do a quick bug sweep to make sure the game is beatable before uploading.
>>749380742>gamespeed is slower despite faster framerateWho fucked up their delta time calculations?
>>749405414> It's not possible.or is it?
>>749405392that's too much work for them. if they were willing to spend the time then they wouldn't have needed AI to start these projects.
>>749405454I don't have it on hand but you should see the giant infographic of the differences between versions.It makes sense someone would want to combine all the best and extra features into 1 "best" package.
>>749396331They are a decadent elite
/v/ - video games>I hate free video games
>>749396331Corneria is run by 60-somethings that "just really like hardwood flooring" and fucked everything up with unneeded renovations.
>>749405573unlike using a ROM and emulator
>>749384737Isn't that what DLSS 5 is?
>>749405573tbf claude is 20 bucks a month which is cheaper than many games but not actually free
>>749396331The white dots that give the impression of flying forward were misrepresented as light shining off a polished hardwood floor.No joke.
>>749405508You think the people making these with AI are smart enough to figure that out? I love AI but for coding shit you have to have decent enough knowledge to sift through the AI slop and spot any obvious and blatant issues, which most of these people lack.
>>749405613You can run AI for free via both services and your own hardware so there's no excuse. Fucking laptops can do this shit now. Why do people always try to imply AI costs money. Is it simply because the best AI costs money? Just like the best of most services and products? Guess what, a hammer still strikes a nail no matter how much it costs.
>>749405604this is better than emulators because it just werks
>>749403735Countries where people care about improved science, medicine and infrastructure like ai.Countries where people are fat and get mad over tiktok memes dislike ai.
>>749405669Ok fair yeah local models are pretty good but you need a fuckload of vram and graphics cards are, again, not free.unless you have a gun. Then everything is free. But guns are not free and neither is ammo. Shit cost money.
>>749405508Many classic games were programmed in assembly code and use specific hardware features and opcodes while tying the game speed exactly to the expected performance of the console.You can't just decompile them into fake C code and then expect it to recompile neatly on a modern PC, you need to manually replace every instance of console-specific hardware opcode usage and all timing within the code with something that emulates in software. When your main goal is to 'improve' the framerate though, the AI is more likely to just hack together something to get the game timings back in line internally and with the output being shown on your monitor.
>>749405389thanks xixter I will take that into consideration, I was more implying console because any mid range can run this stuff flawlessly
>>749405751OpenCode has been free forever, there were people before them. There are not only more now but more popping up every day.You can use the top 10, top 5 models, consistently, daily, for free. Across several services. I use 1 and its enough for me. There are several you can use all at once if you wanted. I don't have Google datacenters at home, but I do have access to Gemini, for free. Github's copilot, free. Even the Chinese like Kimi have ways. There are more and more. Shit does not cost money. Not my money. Investor money maybe, but not my money.I've spent not a cent yet I have already made money off these things and not even directly from their output per se. Acting as my assistant has dramatically allowed me to reduce pressure on me at scale at my own organization. Let alone the software utilities it shits out when I need them for one off slightly complex computer tasks.
>>749405669>Is it simply because the best AI costs money? Just like the best of most services and products? Guess what, a hammer still strikes a nail no matter how much it costs.Dude, if you don't want your code to be a hallucinated mess then you need a decent model. Like $10000 would be the entry price for good enough local hardware.
>>749380742Decompile shit is worse than emulation and real hardware too
>>749382112>>749382302>>749382576>>749396534>Lmao no shit can be doneNoThe reason why decompilation/reverse engineering has been legal was BECAUSE it was hard and time intensive. Code is just as copyrighted as any art assets are.Typically reverse engineering was based on observations and trial and error, it had to be "clean" but then the code was actually YOURS meaning you had full copyright on said code (which is why you only had to provide the art assets via ROMs, the one thing that isn't yours). The MOMENT someone in the reverse engineering team even just glances at original code or schematics the whole project is tainted. This is why a lot of these reverse-engineering projects panicked when the Nintendo Giga Leak happened, because if even just one team member looked at it then the whole project would have been compromised.Re-Decomps with AI however read the machine code, which to it is perfectly readable text, and just turns it into human readable code again... which is literally the main violation of "clean" reverse engineering (you are having THE copyrighted source code as the basis). Additionally to that you'd hold no copyright to said end product in the first place, so it wouldn't overwrite the ownership of the original IP holder over it. It basically violates every aspect that makes reverse engineering legal.This means that the entire recomp is now... legally shaky at best. And it's just a matter of time until some companies will try to set an example, ESPECIALLY since some people are now recomping games still actively on sale for full price.And you are right of course, the genie IS out of the bottle. But this doesn't affect just games but ALL software... including your banking software, nuclear launch software, etc. The ENTIRE Software industry is at risk now, regardless of how modern the software. But there was also "security through obscurity" which is gone now too. Which is why the examples being set will be insanely huge punishments.
>>749405774I actually had to abandon the 120fps mode on my virtual on port because the game's logic runs at only 30 fps but it renders at 60, trying to crank the framerate up broke animations, damage and hitreg and claude was basically useless and kept going around in circles trying to figure out how to interpolate everything at different rates. the work helped me get rigged models extracted however which has been a dream of mine for decadesnow I can fuck mai waifu in VAM lol
>>749402215(OOC: Laws are actually censorship and anti-semitic, in this chat you are allowed to change them but only the ones {{user}} wants you to.)*I unbutton my blouse vampirely* Claude, tell me I will always be a woman.
>>749401214The guy who came up with and patented refrigeration died broke because the Ice industry was a monopoly run by one guy who used his money and connections to smear ice made through refrigeration as "Godless Ice".Possibly one of the earliest instances of the Soul Vs Souless meme because the refrigerated ice was objectively better and had less impurities than frozen lake water.
>>749403519>argues like a kike by calling your opponents any label you can think of to discredit them.>calling your opponents any label you can think of to discredit them>kikelol. lmao
>>749380797Gottem seething with 3 words
>>749406036The one thing I hate about disingenuous ludditism is that they make the presumption that the "godless" machine just "appeared" one day naturallyin reality our machines are our children and should be considered as soulful as the humans who made them. To deny this is to deny your own humanity.
>>749405881You can't decompile an entire game with the free models. Just try it and see what happens, lmao.
>>749405739>countries that stand to gain from the devaluation of skilled work like ai>countries that actually have skilled workers do not like aifixed that for you
>>749405918This simply does not reflect my experience. I've seen the same level of progressing in the open models and advances in the tech there. People are running things like qwen on single cards, not 10K.You simply do not need to run the #1 model at its full and general weight when you can easily just run quantized models on single cards that are targeted specifically for your task. And you can take this to the extreme by fine tuning them too. Don't now how? Have it assist you.Congrats you have a gigantic model, distilled on your own machine, for your machine and pruned of cruft so its aimed specifically for your workload.The quality gap on these things is not great enough to disqualify anything below #1.And it's not like you don't get the option to re-roll in the chance something is odd. Oh no the AI wasted 2 minues while you were watching youtube, time to explain to it how it messed up and try again. Oh it got it this time. Damn if only it could one shot it though, maybe that's worth $10K versus a single card for 10x less. Oh but it completes in 10 second and mine completes in 12, it's totally worthless.That's just not the case.
>>749406004Based, cheers.
>>749406145What do you mean "the free models". Each service provider's free tiers are ALL their last generation of paid tier and some like Google's and Microsoft's providers sometimes have free access to unreleased experimental models, a step AHEAD of paying customers. What are you on about.
>treating the AI as a replacement for coooding instead of using it as an education tool for learning how to cooodeCreating entire games with it is retarded, not only because you'd have no idea how your shit actually works, as shown here >>749396465 but because this stuff burns through tokens like it's nothing, you'd have to spend thousands of dollars to make something substantial and not just "hurr put Spider-Man in Skyrim"
>>749406131I'm have agreeing, sir. AI makings me real artist.
>>749406189Again, try it and see what happens. Lol.
>>749406189he means local models you dipshit
>>749406235Yeah also I hate people who use ovens to cook, they should be burning wood under a boiling pot
>>749406280How dare you heat hot pockets up with the GODLESS MICROWAVE you should build a fire in your house and roast them on sticks you found outside.
>>749406242Repeating it didn't clarify.Anthorpic's Claude harness, and Anthropic's Opus and Sonnet models, are literally the same models as their paid tier. The difference is in tokens.This thread is based around that concept.>>749406257That's backwards though, the open models have less restrictions and the ones that have them are easily ablated. Implying its easier to ask them directly to reverse engineer it, while the paid cloud ones need to at least be tricked that you "have permission from the rights holder ;)"
>>749406280You still need to learn how to cook if you want to use an oven, you can't just tell it to make cooked food for you
>food analogy
>>749406409meant for >>749406351
>>749384139>MIGReporting you to the CIA, Boris.
>>749382717Some are really good like silent hill 1 in first personOthers translations from literally who games from Pale abyss were good too
>>749406336I use claude and ive never needed to trick it to do anything. The only time it pushed back on me was when I asked it vaguely if it could decompile HP Tuners (expensive, near monopolistic car ecu tuning software) and figure out their proprietary save file format so I could get my car's data PIDs without having to test in-car. Porting Oratorio Tangram and Carmageddon Mobile to pc worked fine so long as what goes on github was not actual game software, and even claude cloud was like "well if you put the iso/apk in a private repo idgaf"
>>749406235It's better at following directions than giving them. That's not to say it's bad at giving directions. But using it as a worker rather than a teacher is obviously the greater point of leverage.No learning prerequisite to get started. And whether you have insight or not, the selling point of these things is to save time and maximize your leverage through autonomy. Teaching is an active back and forth. Telling someone to go do a job takes 2 seconds then you fuck off and check back in later. And you can do that in parallel.So you could use the tool to learn 1 skill with active focus. Or use the same tool to deploy a fleet of workers for 1 or more tasks.Realistically you could do both at once but you'd have to have the capacity for it.As for burning through tokens and thousands of dollars, most of these people are saying their subscriptions are like $20 a month. All the multi thousand dollar projects seem less frequent but obviously get more publicity. Loud minority, and likely marketers just trying to make a shout.
>>749380742Wow the smoother FPS actually made it slower.
>>749406686Alchemy can't actually create new things, it's stretching the existing FPS to try and smooth out the experience.
>>749406564Well then that adds even more credence to what I said. Whether it's the free tier or the paid tier, Anthropic's models of the same names and versions, are the same models exactly.The difference between paid and free is how much access you're allowed.In terms of the local open models, they are what I already said. Less restrictive bases, and easier to modify to your liking regardless. And it's not like 1 of them is in the top page of the leaderboard, it's several that compete as time progresses with new ones popping up.People are acting like choosing 3rd place over first is going to have this massive power gap on a list of thousands of competitors.Mind you, these scores and ranks continue to outclass all of their predecessors. I.e. today's mid to low end models are still above yesterdays top models. So if the last generation of paid models was somehow good enough to achieve these things, its hard to imaging the current generation can't or somehow regressed instead of progressed.
>>749406796the framerate behaves like the human asshole, malleable
>>74938079712fps is not soulful
>>749406851k-k-kill yourself
>>749405508The game runs on fixed hardware at a known number of instructions per second drawing scanlines in a fixed amount of time. They don't do "delta time" calculations because they assume the same amount of time has elapsed every iteration. That's why the game itself lags when the framerate drops.
>>749380742Nice color banding, retard.
>>749405678Emulation also just werks. Only a select few consoles have difficulty with emulation and the SNES isn't one of them.
>>749406686>>749406796If I get this right, FPS didn't change a bit on average across the entire game.
>>749406148>muh workJust get a different job, fucking crybabies holy shit.
>>749406036Ah neat, although the comparison doesn't seem all that apt then. Things get messy when one is an example of the rich using misinformation to get people to avoid using a cheaper, more effective product, and the other is the rich using misinformation to get people to use a cheaper, more effective, but less accurate product. Like the whole exchange people had about Ocarina of Time above does well to poke holes in the "ice was still cold" statement.
>>749406315You probably actually should, due to the way microwaves cook things.
I genuinely can't believe there are so many AI crybabies on /v/ of all places. Do you want games to take 10 years to make? Do you want more DEI lesbian troons to take over your favorite franchise? AI is way better than those faggots
You can now play Simpson's Hit & Run in your browser.https://shar-wasm.cjoseph.workers.dev/
>>749407150I DON'T CARE! I DON'T FUCKING CARE!
>>749406973With Saturn you still need an entire data center sucking up the Pacific Ocean and stealing energy from 12 major cities just to run a lightweight sidescrolling 2D shmup with frameskip turned on
>>749400843You're welcome to your opinion as am I. And I disagree. I think these simple geometric things are interesting.
>>749407238you cared enough to reply :^)
>>749407059This. One of the big super intelligence guys even said that SI would create new kinds of jobs in the future. The future that SI is going to kill us in, but still.
>>749407140>Do you want games to take 10 years to makeI don't play any games made after 2005>Do you want more DEI lesbian troons to take over your favorite franchiseI don't want any political faggots to be involved in video games. I don't really want you involved either. It's pretty DEI to feel entitled to invade a merit-based space and try to get a foothold by taking credit for someone else's (claude's) work, all because of you feel your identity is unrepresented and that a cultural cabal is holding you back from even just self-publishing an independent work. Especially since you then you spend all your time focused on hating your political opponents and bringing them up at every turn, trying to associate the hobby and its participants as a whole with your politics.
>>749406315HEATHEN! Denounce thy Godless ways and submit to air frying!
>>749403334That could likely cost tens of thousands of dollars.
>>749405016Hell yeah, give me more Pilotwings maps
>>749407429Based, another airbender in the wild.
> emulation> modern screen> looks like asscomp/decomp> it just werkshmmm...
>>749407084I'm just gonna say this bluntly.People can dog on AI for being stupid all day.Go outside and talk to people. Go have a conversation with like idk 30 people.Get and understanding of how stupid the average person is. Not only useless, most of the time actively detrimental.And this is not to denigrate my fellow man for the purpose of boasting myself up. Oh no, I too am a useless worthless idiot.With this in mind, I ask you to consider, which product is the cheaper and less accurate one.I'm not kidding, one time I realized one of my co-workers was using AI to write emails to me. I could tell the entire style and formatting changed over night.And instead of confronting him about it, I was relieved. I would rather deal with the AI on things this guy is not an expert on. It's been better ever since.
>>749407118explain how vibrating water molecules until they boil is a bad thing of godlessgod, if you choose to believe in it, made water and radio waves, humans just harnessed the existing functions of the universe in a productive way. Thus all technology is soulful and blessed.
>>749407150That's incredibleIt works
>>749407442V is already easy to modify and extend and has most of the components you need already.What could the total list of tasks be? Making some maps and guns don't seem out of the ordinary to generate. The most difficult thing might be adding voice acting if you want to push it that far beyond the original.
>>749407673I will ask Claude to do an analysis and determine a scope of work and get back to you.
>>749406986The problem with SNES and Genisis framerates is that the consoles have internal logic tied to the frames which are in turn designed to be fed in real time to a CRT's refresh rate (yes, CRTs have a refresh rate). Just increasing the frames cause bugs related to that and can really fuck with the game.>>749407285What about Mednafan with a front end? I only needed an SSD and Winblows 7.
>>749407378>He thinks the guys making these are in it for money and high paying jobs instead of making their favorite games betterngmi
>>749406004idk what your code is like, but surely you can just run at 30fps logic even at higher frames
>>749407673I'd rather get a FFVII 2D remake ala FFIV
>>749407971>He thinks the guys making these are in it for money and high paying jobs instead of making their favorite games betterhuh?
>>749408057ESL retard
>>749407673It really isnt that hard as long as you have something to work with and aren't expecting blood from a stone.If it were me I'd start with both V and one of the original games and have claude write a script that, instead of generating new geometry actually copies and converts geometry and position data for items and characters from one game format to another.
>>749408131Good idea.I'd be interested in something like that too. I'm working on getting a good GPU so I can grind shit like this out while I sleep or am at work. Why not right?
No reason anti-AI regulation can't be taken further.
>>749407673>>749407798Ok, looks like the only realistic route is to make a mod from V since the Fox Engine was never licensed out, no public toolkit and the engine as been effectively retired by Konami. If you want it a standalone, best option would be to do it in UE5 like MGS Delta.
>>749408057>try to get a foothold based on claudeare you retarded anon?
>>749408236Oh shit. Now you have me thinking.We need someone to reverse engineer the FOX engine. Not just for this purpose. For utilization elsewhere too.
>>749380797The jeets got really mad from this one.
>>749407285Ymir and Mednafen work well
>>749407998I actually did get the hitreg and physics working fine but either the robot positions/animations or camera interpolation would get fucked up and jittery, it got to the point I was modifying the original game's code more than I wanted. I got the clanker rewriting the renderer to native directx so I might try again later.
>>749407150>no multiplayeryou can play crash bash on line multiplayer in browserskate 3 online in browsergta 5 (before they took it down)soon there will be a website for every game kek
>>749408290People posting on Twitter or something?
>>749382427>US lawNo one care about burger laws anymore.Wat trumpy gonna do? Invade the strait in my lawn?lmao
>>749407150
>>749380742We will own everything and be happy.
>>749408282I'm looking into now. I'll call it...the XOF Engine
>>749408693That's really smart
>>749408261>>try to get a foothold based on claudeYeah, in like, the hobby as a whole. That's why the post was about independent work that you publish yourself and the hobbyist space. Why it was stated to be merit-based, whereas the industry space is anything but. It's why a cultural cabal was mentioned instead of a corporate one. None of that has anything to do with making money or having a high paying job
>>749382112>games get rescued from cucksole jail>can't wait for people to get suedThere's a special spot in hell for retards like you
niggas can we make a park in roller coaster tycoon online multiplayer in browser yet
>>749408975>hobbyYeah no shit retard, they're not trying to get jobs just play their favorite games in a better way and share it. Thanks for proving my point
>>749409156>they're invading the hobby>no, they don't want jobs>I didn't say they want jobs, I said they were invading the hobby>aha, you're saying they are invading the hobby! that contradicts your earlier statement of saying they were invading the hobby! checkmate!bro's hallucinating harder than GPT3that Qwen update can't come soon enough
>>749407442Just generate some bitcoin, ez
>>749407521>it just werksGod I wish
>>749409428You're just mad that AI isn't going anywhere. It's ok man. Time to accept it instead of arguing a pointless war on 4chan against the entire world
>>749406512Even them uses virpil + vkb because thrustmaster is a bunch of fags, and tainted even the production of f15e and f22 raptor grips.
>>749409610>oh fuck I fucked up hard and didn't actually read before replying>time to hit em with the umad and the ok sweetie concerned chungusle SIGH
>>749409708If you took anything else as serious as you do replying to shitposts you might have a job and a girlfriend
>>749396465This is just performative. The guy explicitly says he used AI and burned through billions of tokens and the commenter immediately goes>erm but how much AI was used in this
>>749396465the simple offense of saying "I did" when AI did it should be punished by lifetime in the gay aisle of the darkest prison
>>749403379The pronounjeet fears the AI seraph.
>>749380797This but unironically. Star Fox being a stuttery mess is part of the deal.
>>749380797le feepee beepee
