>Work 5 years on dream game>Some guy with a claude 20$ subscription copies it perfectly(thanks to Anthropic's latest frontier model only available through a sub)What's the fucking point of developing games if anyone can copy them now?
>>749431469based ai chads taking cuck developers jobs, money and women
>>749431469>Some guy with a claude 20$ subscription copies it perfectlybased based if true it means AGI is here
This russian guy is really dedicated to selling subscriptions to AI models on 4chan.
>blow spends 10 years and 20 million dollars to combine 4 puzzle games>claude does it in an afternoon for $20 worth of tokensit is so over bros
If you’re only making the indie game in hopes of making money then why not use AI as well so it doesn’t take you 5 years? I don’t understand.
>>749431727>mmm you should drink some water>nooooooo you are a big water shill!!!!What mental illness is this?
>>749431469Then just do what they did yourself and make your game faster?>spend 5 years slowly chiseling a statue>some guy with a 3D printer does most of it in an afternoon then polishes off the rough edgessounds like a skill issue idkPeople still do shit like woodworking manually even though cnc machines exist. Maybe indie devs have to adopt the mindset that they are hobbyists and not expect to make money. Like people who write a book just so they can say they wrote a book. Or small time musicians who just play for fun. seems kind of entitled to assume you'll actually make money off something most people do for fun
>>749431727shhh he doesn't like when you know its him based on other threads.
>>749431469just don't make shitty slop games that don't have any content beyond their concept
>Release a trailer>AI copies trailer footageThat does suck but it's missing the rest of the game. Shouldn't really be a problem since it's basically just a demo.
>>749431727Why would some russian be trying to push American AI dominance?
Why does modern 4chan feel like someone is constantly trying to sell a product
I'm honestly shocked Anthropic hasn't been sued to oblivion yet.
>>749431996>modern 4chanliterally every thread on /v/ was wall to wall "viral marketer" accusations like 15 years ago, the word shill was not even in use yet and that was every other post. this is how it has always beenyou're a shill btw
>>749431469if the indie game dev used AI he could've made his game faster
>>749431996>why is this board made for consumer products trying to sell productsThis is a marketing platform now
>>749431996Because most of the organic posters left and you have vultures looking for scraps
Do something with your game that AI can't understand like hide a bunch of lore in the environment that only a human mind would understand thru context. >>749431996Always been that way. Anonymity is a perfect system for a marketer to sell a product pretend to be anon. You can spot a shill because they will often link you directly to a steam store page and never actually discuss the game.
>>749432025Their AI was just caught giving false evidence to police so yeah, at some point they will be up to their necks in lawsuits.
>>749431996Enshittification and Slopification have extended to the internet and social media. Literally 90% posts in TikTok have affiliate links and are only made for the purpose of trying to go viral, same in X with blue checkmarks niggers. People either get paid to do it, or it profits them directly.
>>749432025A lot of the AI companies have been sued for stealing copywritten material for training. Facebook comes to mind. But I haven't seen anything more than a slap on the wrist for it.
If devs didn't dev, Claude wouldn't have source to copy. Devs are important
Is not shilling to say AI is fundamental to do any work now. You literally cannot compete without it
>>749431996nigger did you not see the DALLE3 generals staying up for multiple years?it's pretty obvious this place is used to shill the shit>b-but 4chan is deadtwitterniggers screencap this shithole for up to 10 million views
>>749431469>What's the fucking point of developing games if anyone can copy them now?For fun
>>749431996stop noticing
The remaining years of this decade is your LAST chance to make enough money to move yourself into a higher economic strata. You need to do whatever you can to earn 300k+ or you will be forever the underclass.
>>749432335>twitterniggers screencap this shithole for up to 10 million viewsit be like that sometimes
>>749432085>big gap of inactivity during the sharty hack
>>749431469goodI don't support woke indie devs that hate me and my hobby while trying to exploit it for moneyfuck thempassionate people only
>>749432413Those all cost $0.00
>>749432475how many bots are on 4chan
>>749432475Traffic does not equal posts. Traffic can be visits by scrapers.
>>749432475>spam AI shit on /v/ just so twitter niggers could screencap it and show it to the AI bots on twitter
>>749432475I can believe it, I see shit like blue checkmark accounts with 100k+ followers but their posts get <1000 likes all the time, whole damn internet is barren
>>749431469the original dev is an idiot, he made people wait for his shitty game for 5 years, whereas the other dude actually delivered a playable product in a fraction of the time. Well done to the random dude
>>749431843based
>>749431469I WARNED YOU ABOUT STAIRS BRO
>>749432108It's also why anonymous imageboards thrive on negativity. It's easy to sell your product by being positive about it. It's hard to sell your product by being negative about everyone else's products. Unless it's a market leader that you're trying to dethrone like Valve.
>if gatekeeping and talent didn't exist, ideaguys would deliver a new golden era of gaming>the golden era of gaming:
>>749431469Uhh..Maybe stop making generic slop that can be replicated in 5 minutes using AI by hand and just use AI in the first place?
>>749432085>change captcha >bots leave>/vee/ loses 40k posts kek!
>>749432169Because to sue AI right now is to try to sue the American goverment
>>749431469It means your generic pixel art 2 hour long game doesn’t have much going for it. If you’re not autistically working on a passion project over the course of years, putting thousands of dollars into it it’s probably nothing special.
>>749431469The real story of this is actually funnier.>be dev>release 'demo' of game onto itch>demo is actually the full game with a toggle to turn off more of it>chinese guy with a claude subscription turns off the toggle, finishes up the code, then puts it in a mobile app wrapper>uploads it to chinese tiktok>actual dev plans on taking at least half a year to finish the game stillThe real answer is to not be retarded with releasing a bunch of random bits of your game and expect no one to dig into it.
>>749431469>refuse to use AI for some misguided moral reason or virtual signalling>someone eats your lunch>you get to complain and get pity buys or donations or whateverI don't really see the issue, everyone is getting exactly what they want.
>work 5 years on your game>demo ships with the entire thing behind 1 (one) flagretard
>>749431996This site is corrupt garbage with how Fishtank threads are allowed but if I share an on topic link about some software I use that I like I get banned for "advertising"
>>749431469LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO loser retard should've gone to Turkey for 5 years fuck Turkey ladyboys or whatever & AI code many games in the between.
i noooootice that not a single one of the 50 posts itt says which game has been stolen, from who and by who
>>749431843>seems kind of entitled to assume you'll actually make money off something most people do for funThis, you have to dig ditches to be allowed to pay money to do something for fun.
>>749432454Lol they will kill us all
>>749433020because its a literal who game, "my own hero party" stolen by chinese tiktok's in-app game section
>indiefag making a glorified clicker game gets it copied by ai jeetb-based?
>>749431469>wahhhhh someone stole my hard work it's not fairrrrrrif indie devs weren't retarded they would do what Nintendo does and patent some unique aspect of their game that hasn't been seen before and then when someone copies it sue them. if their lifetime passion indie project doesn't have anything unique enough to gain a patent then their game is just more run of the mill generic indie slop like 99% of the genre.
>>749433020>antisemitism
>>749433053They want to enslave you, not kill you brainlet
how much does this new claude cost to use? it can't be cheap.
>>749433142To do what? There's nothing to do, if there was I'd have a job already.
>>749433089>"my own hero party"Oh yeah I think I played that.
>>749433142Nope robots are coming they will only keep sex slaves and some scientists
>>749431469This sucks but my lazy ass was never gonna make my dream game anyways
>>749433181Manual labor, farming, dig ditches, drill oil wells, fix your plumbing, HVAC and electric. there's plenty of tasks the menial class have to perform that a robot won't be able to perform for at least 100 years
>>749433181You could easily get a job in North Dakota right now at an oil rig but you're too much of a useless shit to do anything of value.
>>749433363Nice, how to move there and how to get this job?
>>749433296Oh man, don't look up what they're doing with machine vision.Farming is easily the most vulnerable profession, robotic pickers are the easiest layup since they already pay slave wages and never have enough illegal workers.It's gonna hit the trades just as hard eventually, first it will just be "assistants", then they'll just use the bots in place of apprentices.
>>749433296Omega cope.
>>749431469>I will continue updating my game for my loyal fans while my plagiarist thrashes around like a joke, delivering update after update of my original visionUnless he has no original vision and his only selling point is spending a long time making a generic concept by hand
>>749433416Get a brokerage loan. Apply on indeed, go on Facebook for room rentals. Pack up essentials and buy a 1 way ticket.
>>749433516Ok be a loser and do nothing. I'm all in on the s&p anyways.
>>749431727>NAFO derrangement syndrome in full effectI enter literally any random thread on /v/ these days and within 20 posts someone will be randomly screeching about russia.
>>749432085>>749432475It's interesting, 5-10 years ago you could've reasonably said that the internet is too intertwined with the real world, but nowadays every site is bleeding organic traffic AND trying to plug up the holes with bots that the current internet isn't a good metric for the real world in the slightest anymore, hence why everything feels faker than ever.
>>749433579And they'll just hire me despite being from the EU?
>>749432169Suno has plenty of lawsuits, most companies settle or do some sort of partnership deal.
>>749431469should have added racism so the AI couldn't copy his game
>>749432475Yeah, I believe tiktok supplies authentic real user visits, yeah.
>>749433736Oh Kek sorry anon you are genuinely fucked. But you can always collect gibs
>>749432113What are the implications of this? It's like we're becoming stocks or memecoins. We used to be so much more.
>>749431469Just don't tease a game years before it's ready?Trailer, release date, demo, release should all happen with 2 weeks
>>749431727Wow this is some new leftist take I've never seenYes bro it's Putin personally telling you to use American products because uuuh
>>749433296>farmingthe fucking tractor drives itself, navigating with GPS for precise row distance etc. lmaomaybe inseminating the fucking cattle has to be done by Cletus still but that's it
>>749433926That's how games get buried under 500 daily releases on Steam anon. Indieshit only gets popular via word of mouth.
>>749433926if every dev starts doing this then marketing won't exist anymore
>>749433926>GUYS I RELEASED MY GAME ON STEAM BUT NOBODY BOUGHTED>HA, YOU SHOULD'VE POSTED ON TWITTER ETC. WHILE YOU WERE DEVELOPING THE GAME SO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT YOUR GAME>GUYS I BUILDET A PLAYERBASE BUT MY GAME WAS STOLED>HA, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE POSTED ON TWITTER ETC. WHILE YOU WERE DEVELOPING THE GAME SO PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR GAME
>>749434273case by case retard
>>749431996video games are a product
>>749433728Because they're talking to AI.I've encountered many people like this. They grow accustomed to using AI in some way, eventually they talk to it regularly, then forego communicating with humans entirely.I think it's because most people "interacting" online were just doing it to achieve some end. Attention, money, companionship, intimacy, killing time, entertainment, validation, whatever. If a bot satisfies this faster than a human, on-demand, and maybe even does a better job, then there's no use for socializing anymore.Social media is especially vulnerable to this because it was already fake. Basically if social media is already fake then interacting with AI is actually better, because at least it admits it's fake.Yes I think we are past the peak of the social media era, in hindsight the run from "iphone launches" to "chatgpt launches" may be seen as this weird era where people flooded the internet with banal trivia and overshared their lives like crazy, and the end result was it all served as feedstock to train models that made the whole thing obsolete.Even though 4chan isn't like most sites you'd call "social media" I think a lot of former posters are simply filling their low-investment communication need with AI now.
>>749433862I can't, from the other half of the EU.
>>749434319The fuck does that even mean? If you choose one route for development there is no opportunity to pivot to the other. How do you evaluate a case by case basis for literal gambling?
>>749431469>What's the fucking point of developing games if anyone can copy them now?Because it's fun?
>>749434552Use AI to make many games and see which gets caches on fire?
>>749431469Oh boy, two cakes!
>>749431469Lol this is some of the more obvious advertising I've seen in a while.>and can you believe he duped it using [exact product name]? Available only through the $20 subscription model on [website.com]! Fuck outta here man
>>749434668two? >>749432827
>>749434489>I think it's because most people "interacting" online were just doing it to achieve some end. Attention, money, companionship, intimacy, killing time, entertainment, validation, whatever.What do you think people IRL are doing?
>>749434901Well yeah but real-life relationships exist beyond the immediate end you just achieved. Yeah you're killing time with your friends but then you'll see them another time. Or you play games but maybe later you talk about it and enjoy the memories you had. But sometimes online it's just people dipping in and out of existence ephemerally, or the "interactions" are just numbers or random comments. So it may as well be that nobody really exists as a person at all, which means the transition to AI, the absence of any real person, is fairly seamless.
>>749431469The trick is to not advocate the game and stay silent until shortly before release.
>>749431469Everything you post online is public domain and open source. Nobody can "steal" you game because it never belonged to you.
What I wanna know is, can this AI model, system, just make anything? For example if you bought a game on steam and ask the AI to make new animations for characters in that game that play at certain times, or new mechanics that are completely new and just inject those into your game with 100% integration would that be possible?
>messing with indiesKinda low, so the goal is just to destroy creativity?
>>749431843>he thinks sculpting is the same as 3d printing
>>749431996It's been a weird variant of /biz/ for years now, instead of pumping crypto shitcoins they pump tech stock and ai.
>>749435278Factually wrong.
You guys wanna know how to avoid all of this? Make porn games. I'm being 100% serious. China won't clone your game because they literally can't without going to prison, but neither will the average clonefag because your game has sex in it and gives them the ick.Take the porn game pill.
>>749435784Porn games are the only genre that is already flooded with ai slop.
>>749431469The solution is to keep most of your game hidden and only show select bits in the trailer.
>>749435861That's not the same thing as your original game being copied though. Most genres like idlers, roguelikes and autobattlers are already flooded with fully generated slop as well.
>>749435740>copyrightlmfaohere lemme show you how that works, read that thing at the bottom of the page real quick. The binding legal text that says "Comments are owned by the Poster." OK now watch this>>749435278Factually wrong.Well? What's going on big guy? I thought you owned that post??? Didn't it belong to you??? oh no no no no look at this dude-
>>749434901People evolved to want community. Substituting that with ai is just bad for you.
>>749433151The top model is €200
>>749435298>can this AI model, system, just make anything? For example if you bought a game on steam and ask the AI to make new animations for characters in that game that play at certain times, or new mechanics that are completely new and just inject those into your game with 100% integration would that be possible?You can make new animations for characters but it kinda sucks if you yourself have no idea how to animate. It would be better if you had some experience animating. Here's something I've done. Mind you, this takes quite a bit of handholding if you know nothing and are retarded. Sometimes claude can get it, other times it can't
>>749435958If you cared about anything besides making money you wouldn't be making ai slop porn games in the first place, if all you care about is money you're not going to have an issue cloning games because you are spiritually or literally third world.
>>749431469>What's the fucking point of developing games if anyone can copy them now?What's the point of copying them?i mean i can understand copying features out of different games to sell as your own but people already do that.and as far as resold decomps go:You might wanna take a look at the bootleg marketthe only difference is that now low-iq indians will be able to do that, not just the chinesebut you gotta be fucking retarded to get scammed like that in the first place
I was literally shaking with excitement to make my little original games with Claude.I’m waiting to see how much it can do with just a simulated screenshot.>>749434770>avoiding basic knowledgeThe quality of discussion suffers if a lot of people think you need to pay for a gazillion credits to do the most basic mod or original game.
>>749436236Why do ai images still look like this?
>>749434489AI is probably replacing some casual online interaction because it's easier, faster, and more predictable than dealing with people. But social media was already shifting toward passive consumption long before AI became popular. Declining participation doesn't necessarily mean people are talking to chatbots instead. AI may accelerate the trend, but genuine human interaction offers things it can't fully replicate.
>>749436316Because they're made with API slop models that incestually reincorporate their own generations into training, which deep fries the model into make the same shit foreversee also, indians making ghiblis turning ai image output permanently brown(there are also some other technical reasons involving diffusion technology, like dark parts in an image are balanced with brightness resulting in samey composition)
>>749436658Yeah, what's the point of baiting AI if I know it can't genuinely get mad?
>>749436739It can. Anthropic confirmed this recently. It banned cruel behavior towards its models which implies AI can OFFICIALLY be subject to cruelty and thus get trolled.
>>749436316You can use a variety of styles. >>749436685>ironically reusing discordtroon talking pointsIt’s using my mech design clown.
>>749431727Zoinks, Putler is BACK and he's here for our videya! Make sure to #resist
/co/ schizo btw
>>749431843Successful writers dont write for fun lolWriting a real book takes serious effort, if there's no monetary gain thet wont do it. Never do anything for free is always true. Every writer wants money.
>>749433967yes
>>749433967>Leftists and Putin out of nowhereOP really hit the nail on the head huh
>>749437184Why aren't you writer? Don't you want money?
>>749436739That's actually one of the few things AI can't replace about the old internet: the satisfaction of knowing there's a real person on the other side getting genuinely pissed off. Half the appeal of trolling was never the argument itself, but the fact that you could provoke an actual emotional reaction from another human being.You can insult a chatbot for six hours, and it'll just patiently explain why your language might be inappropriate. There's no ego to bruise, no pride to wound, no genuine frustration behind the response. You're essentially arguing with a mirror that has been programmed to remain polite.And that's the contradiction in the idea that AI will replace online socializing. If people only wanted agreeable responses, social media would never have been such a toxic mess. A huge part of the attraction was precisely that other people were unpredictable, irrational, and emotionally invested.The internet wasn't entertaining despite the fact that everyone hated each other. Sometimes it was entertaining because of it.
>500th thread trying to get people to subscribe to claude
>>749436006> comparing video games to 4chan postsare you fucking retarded
>>749431996because you are schizophrenic
>>749431469>(thanks to Anthropic's latest frontier model only available through a sub)Shills don't even try being subtle anymore
>>749437198This just means people who hate America are using American products against America, not that Russia is behind Claude or whatever. Try not being illiterate>>749437249He literally said "this Russian guy" you mong
>>749437184I mean yeah everyone wants to be successful and randomly hit it big, but that's not the expectation. 99% of authors are literal whos that get no sales, and they expect this will happen and they're just writing for themselves. Same is true for musicians and artists and yeah the same is true for game devs too. Like if you make a game and it gets 100 reviews on steam that's a good success.
>>749437395Have you considered that it’s you, yourself, originating your desire to use Claude to do a cool game you would dream about but you’re suppressing your honest desires?Pic is a wip of Claude as it still does a build from 1 simulated screenshot.>>749437137This harasser has been at it for almost 6 years, long enough to see me putting together my dreams with no need for any creative industry to do a damn thing for me. lol
>>749437427Not coping well with having your property stolen huh whiteboi? Maybe ask gemini what to do about it.....
>>749437304Because I freely concede I lack the creative spark to be one.
>>749437739Oh. I thought all you needed was to want money.
>>749436216>What's the point of copying them?It's normal thirdworld behavior. We're going to enter a dark age of videogames that shills will try to tell you is ACKSHUALLY the golden age because any retard can "steal" any good idea that would have been a indie GOTY contender 5 years ago, and the market drowns in garbage. The "developers" actually making new games just won't bother anymore, and gaming will just be a circlejerk of AI stealing from itself while some random other guy gets AI to make a 3rd person mod for diablo3 or some shit for the 5th time just because he can. AI is basically your pic but to all of gaming, globalized, and widespread.
All I personally know is that AI is just going to make the problem worse with people with zero actual life experience trying to make shit and coming up with crap. Talk to most ideas guys and they barely talk about gameplay and instead talk about story/setting, which is usually nothing too noteworthy either. This is not to deny this has been a problem for years because despite what AI shills like to say, there was no gatekeeping in making vidya thanks to the proliferation of asset stores, the dumbing down of game engines and the lack of moderation on most game stores compared to years ago. The only filter was time, "effort", and money, which is still true in this world of AI made games, just that it is much faster and much more appealing to those with even less self discipline. But beyond that, there aren't people using this tech to try and make new innovative stuff, nor is it bridging gaps with people with one particular set of skills to be able to show their passion project. A bit hyperbolic, there may be some, but there is definitely an overwhelming majority that aren't doing it because they think they have an idea worth a damn, and even if they are that delusional, they don't have anything to back it up with except other media they consumed.
>>749431843sculpting with stone is more comparable to digital sculpting, which takes just as much skill. similary, CNC requires a design, which also takes creative skill.you don't magically end up with a complete bishoujo figure just by owning a 3D printer. you first need to sculpt it, cut it, then print it, and then paint it, all of which takes an immense amount of skill. profressionals can take months to produce a finished print-ready sculpt.
>>749438039Stop slandering us idea guys. You'll see. You'll all see!
>>749437395>playing Control Resonant>see a mod that gives similar functionality to what I want in-game>see the mod maker used AI to make it>gives me an idea>download claude>free version isn't really giving me what I want>decide to see how much difference the paid version makes>it starts doing exactly what I want>try other games>getting mixed results but with some tard wrangling, start getting more of what I wantwebm related is what I've got working right now which is something not currently being done by anyone and I'm also>>749436209. I'm having fun. FYI, there's no remaster for Bravely Second and if you play on an emulator, you have to have the second screen open for various things but I'm making it so it all plays on one screen like how the Bravely Default HD Remaster does
>>749433967>>749431951
If the indie game is completely invalidated by an AI copy, then it's just not a good game fundamentally. NONE, and I mean NONE of these ai slop shits are good. They have 30 minutes of gameplay at best and then the interest dies out completely because they are that shallow.
>>749431843>"Bro if you don't want infinite indians in the neighborhood just work for sheklestein for 0,11$/hour and convince everyone else to do that too, easy"
>>749438272Trump isn't to be taken too seriously when talking about tech, like most CEOs and Execs. He's a washed up business guy, not a tech guy. Its why tech companies can so easily manipulate politicians in general, none of them understand tech at all and probably think that seeing a CMD window pop up that says "Hello World" is some magical shit and the computer is alive.
>>749438039Yeah, the flood of garbage from retarded and lazy people is going to be monumental. I mean, look no further than the AI image threads we used to have. People would happily post absolute garbage while thinking it was great. Imagine that confidence but making something as complex as vidya. Needing skills and patience was a natural barrier to entry that filtered out a lot of the chaff.Please note; I'm not anti-AI. It's just a tool, like any other. It's just that a tool in the hands of an overconfident retard is disastrous.
