>Playing from the perspective of a pro car propagandist >None of the pro car propaganda you can spread relates to the danger of the homeless/drug addicts on public transport despite that being the #1 reason people prefer cars to itInteresting. Even in their own fantasy mocking their opponents, they cannot do that bit.
>>>/pol/
>>749432307It's probably more effective to dump some keys to people to market your game. There's even websites where you get paid for doing that.
>>749432307what do cars have to do with migration and policing policy?
Is there a city planning game about dealing with the homeless drug addicts aggressively shouting in public in every major city?
>>749432945l4d
>>749432307artstyle is cool but the game is basically a meme. theres very little actual gameplay. was hoping th is would be an actual simulator with unique gameplay.not worth spending money on
>>749432945>every major cityTry every city ever.
>>749432307You can rest easy knowing that the creator likely spent years to make this and ended up burning much more money than this will make back. Although, shouldn't the creator like this if they value labor so much more than capital.
>being anti-car but pro-nigger>wanting walkable cities but wanting them to also be dangerous shitholesmake it make sense to me
>>749433897"some of you may die but it's sacrifice I'm willing to make"
The steam forum for this game doesn't have this europe vs american fuck cars culture wars like /v/ does, why is 4chan so political?
>>749433757I was shocked when I moved back to my mostly suburban area and even there, there are homeless people with dogs who panhandle and shout at you.
>>749433897>>749433968There's a segment of leftism that is simply oppositional defiance disorder, they want things dirty and ugly because their parents made them clean their room 20 years ago.
>>749434017Steve Bannon paid for it 12 years ago.
>>749433897Part and parcel of living in a multicultural society
>>749434148Poor people deserve to have clean streets and should be able to walk to the store without being accosted. Disorder and chaos is not virtuous, it is annoyance.
I don't get why he couldn't have just made a Theme style game without the retarded snide political commentary in it. Theme Hospital just has goofy gags in it like curing someone with a swollen head by popping it with a balloon, it doesn't have snarky comments about the US healthcare system or whatever.
>>749433897>I need a car to do anything at allI genuinely can't imagine being a buck broken American
>>749434262>it doesn't have snarky comments about the US healthcare system or whatever.Two Point Hospital does, but you can also actually make a functional hospital that helps people in spite of it. Here there is one win condition: make people reliant on cars, have loads of pollution, and use the government to silence dissent. There is no "happy middle ground" which is what we actually have. If you want to move to a city where there's no car usage, you can pick up and move.
>>749434402Certified /r/fuckcars moment
>game foregoes most of its sim elements to preach about r/fuckcarsWhy bother buying the microprose name and ape the RCT style just to make such a basic bitch game crying about cars that you couldn't even properly program to drive on roads....
>>749434402I can't imagine trying to walk down to the shoe cobbler next to the tea and chippy shoppe and getting culturally enriched by Achmed either so I guess we are even.
>>749433897>wanting walkable cities but wanting them to also be dangerous shitholesLook into New Urbanism, it's basically white people going "why can't we have cities but just white people are allowed?" And even then it just turns into a corny parody of a city, because the only walkable environments encounter are college campuses and amusement parks. That's what it ends up feeling like.
>>749434402A car means the state can't decide how you move, when, and where. As long as you have one you'll never be a slave.
IDK where u live OP but taking public transit is always better in black-adjacent areas because if you drive and park it outside they'll just break into your car and steal your shit. And homeless bums will run onto the street without any notice too either panhandling or trying to do some insurance fraud bullshit and they WILL block your car. Another great thing about driving is all of the fucking retards swerving through traffic in plateless cars who WILL just drive off if they hit you, half of whom do not speak English and the other half of whom are gangster wannabes looking for any reason to start a confrontation. You people can't handle the truth!
>>749434449>happy middle>which is what we have nowI am like 89% sure the people making this game unironically think we are living on the broken extreme end of the horseshoe, like when people try to say America is so racist it's a borderline apartheid state
>>749434449>Two Point Hospital doesYet another reason to not touch modern games
>>749434594Yeah wipipo are so boring, they need to be culturally enriched by achmed, jamal and sanjeet
The assblast is very real.
>>749432945>>749433789>>749433897>>749433968>>749434148>>749434590what do cars have to do with migration and policing policy?
>>749434662Its also mostly a worse theme hospital, like how planet zoo is a worse zoo tycoon(1) with better graphics
>>749434731Ask the leftists who group together multiple different attitudes to different areas of policy that harm each other.
My question is: How deep is the game in these areas:1. BusinessDo you need to plan anything? Do you need to think strategically to win? Do you have to consider things like not growing too fast, not building too much, not acquiring too much land because of taxes, etc.?2. CustomizationHow customizable is the game? Can I create unique things like in Rollercoaster Tycoon? Can I put up signs with the phrases I want and rename things? Do the maps take on my "personality" after I create them?3. MechanicsAre the game’s mechanics complex? Will different elements interact and generate interesting outcomes? Can unique things emerge if I decide to do things in an unconventional way?
>>749434402>he thinks he can live as an adult without a carmove out of your mother basement you fucking retard
>>749434707I looked up this town specifically and there's no arts or culture, it's just bars and places to get coffee. Again, because the only experience Americans have with walkable places they aren't afraid of are amusement parks. They had to stop themselves from building bumper cars I'd bet.
>>749434632>state can't decide how you move, when, and whereDriving is a humiliation ritualEveryone drives 35mph in a 25pmh road, so technically anyone can get pulled over by a cop at any timeLicense plates and driver's licenses are tracked everywhere If you get on a bus with cash, it's much harder to track your location
>>749434828Deep as a puddle in all respects, most everything is aesthetic aside from building more carparksLandlordingAnd sending cops on protestors
>>749434793>IM NOT RESPONSIBLE! ASK SOME ELSE! HELP HELP I SHIFTED THE BLAME GET AWAY FROM ME!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/837880/You_Suck_at_Parking__Complete_Edition/bideo gam about parking if anybody cares. it has single and multi player. it regularly goes on sale for $4 and sometimes $2.
I love how every racist argument is always a confession that you are physically intimidated by brown men lol, so fucking weak and pathetic
>>749434051Cars unironically did this. You can bus the drug addicts out of the cities and into outlying neighborhoods now. The homeless of the semi-rural and suburban areas used to be self-reliant in the same way mountain men were. Hobos eating cans of baked beans cooked over a campfire in the gravel pit do not exist anymore.
Did this game nerf rent yet? I know in the private play test you could just buy every square of land and charge rent, and pretty quickly get infinite money
>>749432307>it's in the style of RCT2 but you can't do anything nearly as creative as building a rollercoaster or themeing your areasthen why bother?
>>749434912Fuck whitey and fuck the west
>>749434905>No local multiplayer??
>>749434997Because you want to signal to others how much you hate cars and capitalism
>>749432307Homeless/drug addicts are the number 2 reason.nonwhites are the number 1 reason.
>>749434912Who tf is physically intimidated by indians lmaookay maybe their b.o is physically intimidating
>>749434912If that's how you gotta put it, sure. I don't like living around erratic people, and I don't think it's fair to subject my kids to it
>>749435005It's that lobby shit you see in nearly all games nowadays :\
>>749434912The last homeless guy to accost me was a white guy strung out on fent. The last homeless person to bother me was a woman who was walking with her dog and it ran into me and she apologized profusely. Both white.
>>749435040Were you mad at Cannon Fodder too?
>>749435174Cannon fodder didn't masquerade as a deep simulator
>>749434731You basically become cattle without a way to independently move yourself. At any moment they could hike the price of public transportation, bar you from it, dismantle it, etc. Roads will always be present in a society and cars can go off it if they really needed to. The simple ability to drive yourself whenever you want means you can quickly get anywhere connected to the same network. Walkable cities, other than going counter to aforementioned values, also make a city smaller. They encourage people to live in unowned blocks and walk around everywhere. They also let things like pavement apes that can't drive reach into every place you could ever go. It is like a form of radical equitarian city policy and is as destructive long term. It is like asking what being hobbled has to do with living with an abusive person. Public transportation only works in an extremely high trust society like Japan where the government is too afraid of disrupting social cohesion to screw people over.
>>749435291>everyone before Henry Ford was cattleebin
>>749432307Chicken and egg type problem. The car dependent society was in full swing by the early 1970s, long before there were problems with drug addicts and homeless in public transport. That car dependence left public transport underfunded and most wealthier people no longer using it which THEN attracted homeless and drug addicts, especially since public transport now only remained in the poorest neighborhoods.Best seen in countries were there is still a lot of reliance of public transport: if a lot of regular people use it, then druggies and homeless won't really be much of a problem in it. Essentially if a lot of regular people use it, then undesirables don't feel attracted to it, only after it has been abandoned by politics do the homeless and drug addicts appear. It's a supply/demand problem. The demand is a demand for mobility, which was construed to a demand for cars, which is NOT the same. A demand for cheap transport can also be met with public transport and bikes, it depends on the individual. Because only cars are now an option to meet the demand for transport, the supply doesn't REALLY meet the demand, which is why the price for the demand of transport just keeps climbing and climbing. (Look at how the average price for new cars has exploded, or the prices of ticket fares. Or the prices for toll roads). It also affects housing prices because roads being clogged by space inefficient cars makes housing close to where you work FAR more valuable. The smoother the traffic the less of a requirement to live close to work. Public transport and bike friendliness makes traffic smoother and thus reduces housing costs.
>>749435335Europeans moving is a whole ridiculous song and dance of "meeting the movers" and making sure you're there a the right time, its absolutely silly and moving anything bigger than a breadbox is a gargantuan task that takes the entire village
>>749435291>THERE IS ONLY BLACK AND WHITE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT GRAY
>>749435291Holy moly
>>749435213Ok?And Car park does?
>>749435593Its absolutely masquerading as a SimCity/RCT type game, yes....
>>749435467You're too smart for this site, Anon.
>>749432307The only reason public transport is associated with the homeless is that our public transport systems have been gutted in favor of cars. So only the desperate will still use them.In countries with good public transport they don't have this problem. Everyone uses it, so the trains are full of normies, creating safety in numbers.
>>749435916Assuming everyone uses public transportation assumes that even the poor still use public transportation, anon....>but it's only bad because everyone uses carsI don't care how nice the American double decker bus is, I don't want to sit next to Mexicans and black people blasting their music on a pill speaker
>>749432307great aesthetic wasted on some faggy preaching. pass
Can a burger explain to me WHY your public transport is filled with homeless drug addicts?
>>749436048>blasting their music on a pill speakerWe had a solution to this 20 years ago and Apple fucked it up. It fucked us all as a society.
>>749432307What I find interesting about anti-public transport guys is that they think they’ll be forced to ride a train. You can still use a car bro. There’s just going to be less traffic on the road.
>>749436048Americans will also regularly travel and hour or more at irregular hours to visit family, go shopping, work, etc. Public transport would eat up so much time and would have to be very multifaceted in order to service all the wide varieties of trips. Maybe a network of bullet trains could solve some of this, but it'd require a lot of funding and also getting around shit like unions and embezzlers who get in the way of most American infrastructure advancement.
>>749436258California tried it and the tax payers not so quickly found that any expensive public works project is impossible
ameribrownies are having a melty!
>yet another thread where people refuse to talk about the game
>>749434632daddy gobernment still decides where you can go with roads and tolls thoughyou will also be a debt slave perpetually paying for car loans, repairs, insurance, gas, registration fees, etc. It's a bottomless money hole.the motor vehicle is simply an illusion of freedom
We already settled this issueEuropeans are angry that Americans don't have to ride the bus with black/brown people and they do. They want Americans to adopt public transportation so that we too are forced to sit with brown and black people on a bus for hours a day every day
>>749436258The point isn't to eliminate cars entirely, but to reduce their usage. If we could cut car trips in half we could reclaim half of all parking lots for new construction and families could sell their 3rd car.
>>749432307>the danger of the homeless/drug addicts on public transportI like driving too, but your chances of dying in a car crash are significantly higher than your chances of getting assaulted by a bum for doing the same exact trip. Not once did I get assaulted on an NYC subway every time I'm in the city..t bus to LIRR to college/uni for 4 years and now 16 years of 5 days a week work
>>749436689Its kind of a false premise thougheverbeitfully. People do not want to live in the city. People do not want to ride the bus. Even in making the city walkable, people don't want to live there. When I worked in a metro I was willing to drive 45 minutes one way every single day because I did not want to live there. There was no element of "Aww shucks if only the traffic was better I'd totally live in this shithole"
>>749436868There's plenty of "town centers" in the US where people live and walk. The problem is racial minorities. It's the ugly truth.
Game is alright but it definitely feels a little bit lacking in things to "do" compared to something like RollerCoaster Tycoon. I know it's in early access but what it currently offers feels like too little for its start. The graphics and sounds are definitely on point though. Everything feels satisfying to use in that regard.
>>749436868It reminds me of how a lot of countries are too poor to have suburbs, leaving their middle class disenfranchised and insecure. I can't imagine not living in a society where a family can move into a nice sized house with a plot of land.
>>749437094Their middle class is tiny, barely above their poor. That's by design of course.
>>749434997>it's in the style of RCT2It's a fork of OpenRCT2 but costs money and for some reason isn't complying with the requirements of the GPL-3.0 license, making it illegal to distribute.
>>749436868>People do not want to live in the city.Demonstrably false. Tons of people want to live in cities which is why their population density and housing prices are so high.
>>749433897it's dey cultah
>>749437094This is where some animal gets angry and posts a picture of a suburb saying ITS UGLY ITS UNCANNY ITS TOO UNIFORM. Mind you their "porch" is a 3 foot by 5 foot concrete balcony.
>>749437196>we love it here!Demonstrably false
>>749436657>the motor vehicle is simply an illusion of freedomas opposed to gobernment transit, which doesn't even give the illusion
>>749434862You don't actually give a shit about "arts or culture" and neither do 99% of the people having these debates on /v/.
>>7494348281. There is upkeep on buildings, but generally money rolls in so fast it is a non-issue. I'm sure this is going to get reduced in the future. As it stands, the best thing to do is immediately buy up all the high-value property at the start of a scenario and just become a land baron collecting rent.As far as strategy, you can't immediately bulldoze everything without creating a shitload of protestors and vandals, so you do want to be at least a little strategic with how you demolish and build.2. There's a decent amount of customization right now. You can place billboards, trees, adjust colors, rename things specifically. I'm sure more stuff will get added eventually.3. Ultimate goal is to build parking garages. I guess the most novel challenge would be trying to keep the city clean and relatively un-polluted while fulfilling mission objectives. Again, becoming a rent baron is probably the most novel way to deal with mechanics.
>>749435174No, because Cannon Fodder is actually fun, has a sick intro song, and is correct that war is shit. They also get bonus points for pissing off their own nanny state overseers by putting the red poppy ingame.
>>749436048Some of you have never existed within 50 miles of a cities and it really shows.
>>749435467>bikes bikes bikes bikes bikesalways with the bikes. just dress up for rain and snow and never, ever have to carry anything larger than a shoebox and don't complain when your bike is stolen
>>749437756>of a cities
>>749437775Today's shopping trip: one box of cereal, a chicken breast, 4 slices of cheese
>>749435174GO UP TO YA BROTHAKILL EM WITH YOUR GUNLEAVE EM LYING IN HIS UNIFORMDYING IN THE SUUUUN
Europeans say america is a mutt country when they are forced to share public transportation and their overcrowded walkable streets with third worlders from Syria and Nigeria kwab
>>749438016The average European is also poorer than a poor American
>>749433757Depends on the culture.When I went to Asia, the bums were just sitting on their cardboard boxes and had the decency not to annoy people. Over here they're a lot more annoying and keep asking for money, as if you could actually be homeless here if you didn't actively refuse help.
>>749437925>buy utensils for my cereal and chikky brest>ride 3/4 bongs home in smog and pea soup>bobby stops me and makes me dump me bag>get arrested for having a knife for the chicken breast>chikky is warm by now, have to cook it as soon as i get home>really looking forward to me afternoon tea, have some day old bread for a bread sandwich>ride by Mohammad gutting a chicken on the street corner>ask where he got it and if i can buy some fresh chicken>he stabs me>get home>apply gauze and sellotape to me stabby hole 'til it stops looking like a greggs meat pie>finally ready for me chicken, cheese and biscuit feast of a king>look in bag>forgot the cheese
>>749432307>custom-built game engine that's made to look like assemblyI will now buy your game.
>>749438315>made to look like assemblyyou don't know what the fuck you're talking about in any way, shape or formdie
>>749437775I ride an e-bike as my primary mode of transportation.If the weather is bad or I need to carry something bulky I drive.But most of the time that's not the case. So it reduces my car trips significantlyMy car is 4 years old and has 3000 miles on it. While everyone else is crying over gas prices I'm laughing.Stop getting hung up on edge cases.>>749437925I've never had any problems hauling groceries on my bike. I've got a front basket and two side baskets so I can always haul as much as I feel like buying. Which is usually around 4 bags of groceries and a pack of soda. If I need to get more than this I can drive, but like I said above, that's an edge case you shouldn't get hung up on.
>>749438348Correct.
>>749437643>because Cannon Fodder is actually funSeems people think this game is as well.>They also get bonus points for pissing off their own nanny stateWouldn't CPC get bonus points for pissing off this shithole then?
>>749438583>Wouldn't CPC get bonus points for pissing off this shithole then?No.
>>749432307Evergreen.Also applies to the seething replies.
>>749438625>but it's different when it's at our expense!
>>749432307why are you here? shouldn't you be out protesting something retarded or cycling in the car lane?
