"Learn Japanese" fags in shambles.
AI is going to translate all this shit in 5 minutes.
NOOOO STOP PLAYING THOSE GAMES BAKA GAIJIN THOSE AREN'T FOR YOU
>AI
>>749509123indeed. more accurate than the alternative
literally the only good use of LLMs
Okay but are the TLs any good? Because the AI TLs I read on novelupdates are pretty consistently ass unless the guy making them spends time editing it.
can someone translate the dreamcast mystery dungeon game k thx
>>749509215This. Machine assisted and 100% AI TLs are night and day.
>>749509194More accurate than knowing japanese?All translations suck but i'll grant you machine translation is better than localization.
>>749508814No one told you to learn Japanese to play games with no translation available, the idea was for you to stop using translations at all (regardless of how they were made) because they will always be inferior.
>bro just trust the AI translation of someone who doesn't speak Japanese themselvesNo thanks, I use AI to try to translate shit daily while learning Japanese and it's crazy how much it gets wrong
>>749508870Good.
>>749508814>G-mode finally releases>After like 4 goddamn years of the Steam release>Waited because>Of the fucking water textureJesus Christ.
>>749509867Does the AI get lines like this wrong?
>>749508814Learning Japanese is literally impossible if you didn't start as a child. 3 different alphabets. Instead of vowels building words building phrases, Japan has unique characters for each word or phrase. Meaning you have an infinizillion symbols to memorize. Also good luck having a conversation with a japanese person, actually getting to hear each word they spew at a rapid machinegun fire rate and respond with the correct word with the correct gender/formality/whatever other else context.
Google translate is objectively much much worse now that it's AI-driven. Having all these these botched translations out there is only going to increase the value of language-learning.
>>749510323None of that makes Japanese difficult, you can brute force memorize all of that in a year or so
>>749510323I did it in my late 20sIt's not impossible, it's just a waste of time
>>749509867then just use a better AI model lolthe best ones already BTFO human translators
so much cope ITT from retards who wasted their life learning a dead chingchong language kek
>>749508814>Here's some low effort garbage games that weren't good enough to translate and release on real platformsNah I'm good
>>749510323The first half is just extremely basic rote memorization the second half is true but irrelevant to media where everything is very clearly enunciated
>>749510452You don't know Japanese if you think this is the case
>>749509393AI is worse than actually learning Japanese. However AI is much better than "learning Japanese" with internet flashcards like stupid ass weebs frequently brag about.
why would i play a translation if i can play the original
>>749510720I don't want to see gookscribbles on my screen while gaming
>>749508814A translation will always be a translation. If you cannot parse text directly into thoughtform you are just reading someone else sloppy seconds interpretation of the text.
>>749510771then you should avoid playing japanese games
AI is good enough for JP learners so it's probably good enough for the slop u fags play
>>749508814>using AI>not even bothering to proofread it afterwardsDo the jeets who release these low effort translation patches even really care? What's the point then
>>749509123Nigger do not act like before all the current AI shilling that /v/ didnt majorly push for machine translation instead of localized shit
>>749510823But they aren't Japanese if they're in English. It's like calling ramen or yakisoba Japanese when I make them at home; it's not because it's mine now.
>>749510921if you think its slop why are you invested in whether people play a translation or the original
>>749511116First post in the thread after kinda skimming the rest. Just postin because AI is good enough for translations now and saying otherwise is just cope.
>>749511070some japanese games include kanji characters as symbols on in game objects, icons or ui elements even if the rest is translated to english so you should watch out so you dont get a panic attack
>>749510430it's not a waste of time if you play a lot of japanese mediathere are somethings EOPs will just never understand
>>749511209so youre just here to shill ai?
>>749510452you wouldn't know the difference between a good and bad translationyou just take the word of whoever gets to you first if you cared about the truth you'd try to empower yourselfbut since you don't stop pretending you do
>>749511356More or less. Now go read MAO translationshttps://mao-tls.github.io/
>AI translationwe really are just going to let the world fall apart. Fuck quality, amirite? This is just disgusting.
>>749511070then why are you even playing japaense games?
>>749511289The funny scribbles left untranslated are just there as flavor. They have no bearing on the content because if they did they'd be in English too. Now get back to making me my miso paste and Kikkoman stuff, Takeshi.
>>749510323Sounds like a skill issue, considering how many people become reasonably fluent as adults.Admittedly, complete fluency is a bit of a tall order, but if you're being honest, your english fluency is far from complete as well, as is the case for 98-99% of completely native speakers who've only known english since birth. You know goddamn well there's a lot of words that you don't know and couldn't guess at the meaning of, even right this moment.
>>749511565i thought you were scared of seeing japanese characters in your games like you said before so i alerted you to this fact for your own safety. dont play samurai warriors 4 btw, they flash a really big kanji on screen every time you use a musou attack
>>749511472Because they're fun. I don't need to respect a culture and certainly not a language to consume their products. Do you think that because we import cumin and black pepper we should respect Indians by opening up shitting streets?
>>749511759then why did you even need a translation?
>>749511681I know what the word rape means, and that's all I will ever need.
>>749511289Claude Opus can easily extract them and translate those too. All directly on the .iso. It takes like 5 hours to do a full game with some rounds of feedback.
>>749511969>opussonnet 5.5 did it for me in 20 minutes, all text strings + all images
>>749511056"/v/" was retarded then too.The ideal is fan translations done by people who actually know what they're doing.
>>749511969>>749512225i can already read japanese though but i guess the other anon i was warning will appreciate that
Chaindive does not use AI btw
Wake me up when they do the Devilman game
private trackers ban AI subs. All AI translations on exhentai have terrible ratings. People don't want AI subs, or at least the older anime fans. I imagine the younger generations getting into these communities don't give a fuck and that will be the future for all this kind of media anyway.
Wait does that mean i can finally translate all the manga that got dropped by trannyslators?
>>749511436of all the things to be against AI for Translation is not one of those things art and communication is different because art transcends language barriers but not words, there are a few auto translators in the world now that actively translate live what people are saying to eachother I think in this case where the authors intent isnt marred or hidden behind people with bad intentions or frivolous morals. The Language barrier is something as a whole Humanity actually benefits from destroying completely. I speak as an artist and even as a potential writer myself it only means good things as the machine begins to pick up on inflections and meaning, nothing bad other then a few fucking self righteous faggots in the industry losing their jobs and usefulness.
>>749509123The reality is you either get machine/AI translations or no one will touch these things with a five foot pole because the curious are never the skilled. Only those autistic enough to try. And hey I'm not asking you to compromise either, that's just the mess we're in.
>>749511436not like fan translations aren't devoid of their own bullshit before. see wonder project 2 or tales of phantasia dejap.
>>749511843millenialwoes.jpg
>>749513480That's peanuts
>>749508814basedhuman faggot translators have become even mroe worthless and it's the best shit ever
>>749508814Learning korean, am i retarded for doing so? i dont like japan
>>749510706Flashcards are gay, the best way to learn is the exact same way you did with your first language.Just through context and hearing it alot.
>>749514474Why are you learning korean?
>>749514474Depends, do you like k-dramas and k-pop?The only real reason to learn a language today is to engage with media in its original language, any actual important reason for knowing a language died along time ago with dedicated translators and now with real time automatic translation software. You can literally subtitle an irl conversation with smart glasses. So it honestly depends on why you want to learn it.
>>749514538It takes Japanese kids 7-8 years of learning the spoken language and all the words and understanding from birth and then 10 years of learning the kanji in school, from being exclusively exposed to the language all day every day for 17+ years Flashcards let you condense that into a year or two as a gaikokujin
>Want to learn cantonese>All the resources online are for mandarin
>>749511681The difference is that gaijin don't have a Japanese brain. Any idiot of any race can learn talk velyvely good engrish, but Japanese is such a complex language that if your brain doesn't have special adaptations that are only racially found in the Japanese, then you'll just never be able to speak it properly.Japan during the showa and early heisei genuinely believed this.
>>749513049There are VN text hookers dating to the Fate/sn translation.You're talking about some luddie nu-translator rating competition badly because he needs donates for his sick mother lol.
>>749514765Japanese kids do not take 7-8 years to be able to speak.2 year olds are able to understand and communicate.Reading Kanji is a different story, but understanding a language is alot easier than you imply.
>>749514580>>749514642I like the art korean artists post on twitter and pixiv and its also a fascinating language and culture
>>749509867The AI doesn't really get lines wrong anymore. Dunno what you're talking about.
>>749515251The point is by the time they're 7 and ready for school they already know tens of thousands of words, how they're pronounced and what they mean, and only then do they start assigning kanji to the words in school
>>749515252Engaging with media is a good reason.Its buisness reasons that are literally unimportant in todays world.
>>749515306It does, stop coping
>>749515391Any replicable examples?
>>749515352Yes and you can do the exact same.If you want to speed up the reading process then you can watch stuff thats subtitled in japanese.Speaking a language is considerably easier than reading and writing it, thats true of all languages.
>>749515458>>Yes and you can do the exact same.Why would you waste 17 years on doing the exact same when you can cram it into a year or two with flashcards Not to mention that learning kango makes far more sense when you have tons of kanji examples in front of you as opposed to first learning them as pronounced words where you won't necessarily pick up on the patterns
>>749510542Don't you ever dare speak that way about ChainDive again, nigger.
>>749515560>learning kango makes far more sense when you have tons of kanji examplesWhy would I learn nursing?
>>749515560Flashcards are boring.Watching content and playing vidya is fun.You can learn without feeling like you're studying if you're just playing video games.
>>749508814trannylators in shambles
I still need to learn Japanese tbf. There's an anime I need to watch that will never be translated ever and waiting for ai to get good enough would be another decade at most probably.
>>749515657Watching content and playing vidya when you don't know the words nor grammar nor kanji is not fun, flashcards let you efficiently frontload and optimize the boring stuff so you can get to the fun stuff
>>749508814Why would I be in shambles? AI translation just makes my decision to learn JP a decade ago even better in retrospect.Back then people would be like "nooo you have to learn Chinese, Japanese is a waste of time, there's no business value" and it's like bitch, I just want to enjoy Japanese media in its original language, fuck money. And now anyone who learned a language 'for the money' is shit out of luck, and I still get to play JP games in their original language.If you don't understand why playing it in its original language is a good thing, you're probably monolingual. Even an ideal translation is still just a translation and not the same experience.
>>749515713>Consumes tranime content from tranpanYou're one of them
>>749515859
>>749512243Get fucked you dumb nigger.
>>749510323You can learn kana in a weekend as long as you arent retarded. Learning Kanji is becoming irrelevant by the day with translation apps. Learning basic Japanese to talk to someone is not hard. Once you learn noun placement and verb changes, you're basically all set. After that the hardest part is getting a Japanese person to talk to you.
>>749515760Playing vidya in japanese is incredibly easy, you dont even need to understand the language to be able to beat most vidya. If you then learn hiragana and katakana which takes a whole 1 day, then you're at a much bigger learning advantage from simply interacting with menus and listening to subtitled ingame dialogue.I was playing vidya before I could even read in my native language (English) and vidya is also how I learnt to read
>>749508814i bought a couple atlus g-mode games last year because the guy translating last bible said they were gonna get to the persona games soonguess its time to finally play them
>>749516016Except kanji is nothing like latin script and can't be picked up casually like that without a ridiculous time investment, which you can skip by going through flashcards
>>749508912>THOSE AREN'T FOR YOUas it should
>>749515983I ain't reading all that
>>749509867I'd rather have an AI stay truthful and fumble occasionally than a faggot who hates everything Japanese rewriting entire characters to fit his view points
>>749510323Japanese isnt a gendered language.Atleast not in standard japanese.Some slang like atashi is mainly used by girls however.
hoping we get to the spoonfeeding soon cause i want a complete Giftpia trannylation and DONT put it behind a discord please!
>>749509393>>749509867>>749511436>AI can't possibly be better at translating than humans... ACK!
>>749508814I encourage all AI translators to include a credit to the LLM they used right on the title screen so that everyone can know right away the nature of the translation they've done. There is already precedent for this set by Working Designs for many of their games.
>>749516158You should rather learn the language and avoid having to go through middlemen altogether
>>749515842>you're probably monolingualThis is what we in the industry call "cope"
>>749516075>Flashcardsそれらは何ですか?Ive never used them and never will.
>>749516182https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7778/
>>749516075>which you can skip by going through flashcardswhich you can skip by having AI translate it
>>749511681Retard, most Japanese only speak N3 levels of their own god damn language. Most all college students are on the low end of N2, with engineers, programmers, and language majors beibg on the higher end.Oh, fun fact, Japanese Engineers learn fluent German because their language is so dogshit it can't describe all the terms they need to know to do actual engineering shit. Trying to do any collaborative work with Japanese engineers is a fucking nightmare because of this, and has lead to the proliferation of entire fucking firms who's sole job is to act as intermediary translators for manufacturing firms dealing business with Japan.Meanwhile going for N1 is basically unheard of unless you're a writing or history major.Throw in Japanese slang and how their refusal to adopt a space between words, leading to them instead schitzophreically alternating between hiragana and katakana when writing kanji words, in order to put in mental "spaces" between words, and Ive never actually wanted to shoot myself before as strongly as I did when I realized a year and a half of College Japanese was a complete waste of time.I hate the Gooks, I hate their women, I hate their dog spit language, their food is pure IG slop, but fucking hell learning conversational Korean in less than a month was a breath of fresh god damn air.The Japanese could easily overhaul their language seeing as the Gooks could do it in less than 5 years. Though they might not have do seeing as Japanese students now speak english just as well as they speak Japanese (poorly), but wait and see I guess.
I want to learn Japanese so I can go to Japanese furry cons and buy kemoshota merch
>>749516425You are a disgusting man
>>749516361Gooks are koreanNips are japanesePlease learn your racial slurs t. /pol/
>>749513049I could AI translate better than 99% of the people that upload random slop doujinshi and I have zero experience. The thing is they don't double check, fix grammar, optimize bubbles and text, or fucking do anything. Just hit translate and upload yolo.I guess everyone that would have put in the effort is too old to care at this point and all you get is ESL retards. I was a major contributor to torrents way back in the day, uploaded thousands. If I was younger I would put in 100% effort to AI translate but do it well.I got better shit to do now
>>749516361NTA but this is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. Any Japanese first-year high school student could pass N1. Also, I passed N1 over a decade ago as an adult, and still don't feel near-native in fluency. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>749516075>and can't be picked up casually like that without a ridiculous time investmenthttps://github.com/bpwhelan/GameSentenceMiner
>>749516464we all have our goals in life, and kemoshota is one of the few things that makes me happy
>>749516312damn im retarded, but if this is it and its finished, then i a m very happy man, we can let the old dog finally rest then, RIP.http kirameki altervista org/eng/giftpia php
>>749516216This doesn't really indicate the quality of the AI so much as clarifies the translator's own lack of skill. If you're translating things and an AI returns many errors that you yourself couldn't diagnose, then you have no business translating anything. It makes you question whether these kinds of people can even make it through an entire easy light novel and actually understand what they were reading.
>>749516361Literally any late middle school to early highschool kid could get close to 180/180 on n1 with no study for it
>>749516543Nigger you're suggesting a flashcard method to someone who's advocating for flashcards
>>749516216what was he translating?
>>749508814SD Gundam & SMT Devil Summoner translations finally
>>749516560I'm amazed how open you are about sacrificing all of your dignity, even if it is just anonymously. I'm always impressed at people who have no shame in life.
I HAVE TO MEMORIZE HOW MANY JAP LETTERS TO BE FLUENT?
>>749516629GSM is just a yomitan overlay for games so you don't have to look them up externally. You don't have to mine shit if you don't want to
>>749515983I don't understand.Why is that one fag super pissed that some random dude made a translation patch?
>>749516361This reads like someone who complains about "rare" words and grammar that they only see in study textbooks. Not because they're actually rare, but because they don't read anything or listen to any native media to find out how common these "rare" elements actually are. The kind of dumbasses who claim that something like 咎める is an uncommon word, or that 汝 is archaic and never used anywhere, or that や否や is obscure grammar that you won't see in your lifetime.
>>749516675Kanji is the easy part
>>749516567about 95% of people who work on fan translations of manga/anime/games/visual novels have literally no business translating anything. it's an art form that requires mastery (not just fluency, mastery) of two languages and years of study. meanwhile we've got ESLs who have not read a single book in their lives who barely scraped by N1 translating shit. obviously AI is prima facie going to btfo the average fan translation when the situation is like this. good translators have jobs, they don't waste their time working unpaid to provide toys for nerds>>749516645https://vndb.org/v10680
>>749510323Problema di competenza
>>749516216AI translations are still gonna suck if the one prompting Claude is a retard and also neglects to proofread anything. Just look at the flood of AI translations on sadpanda.A lot of these AI translations are being done for flex and clout instead of genuinely wanting to get a decent/good English translation.
>>749516567The AI could return errors on any pro TL. It's like asking a human to verse a calculator. Machines are better than people at this stuff.
>>749516729>https://vndb.org/v10680damn, I wonder if he just wanted an excuse to stop, I bet translating your favorite VN can help you a lot with learning the language but I bet after a certain point you get bored with it
>>749516698>The kind of dumbasses who claim that something like 咎める is an uncommon wordLearned this watching Gachiakuta>or that 汝 is archaic and never used anywhereLearned this from watching Card Captor Sakura>or that や否や is obscure grammar that you won't see in your lifetimeLearned this from watching The Ninth Jedi
>>749508814You still have to wait for translations while I'm already playing it
>>749516675Memorizing what characters mean is the easy part. Bullshit readings is what makes the language hard imo. 躊躇, 躊躇い etc
>>749516797If a sadpanda level comic (simple manga dialogue, tons of stock porn lines) is translated badly it's because someone's trying to do it on a free model that they provide by default on Google (or it was uploaded 2+ years ago). It's almost impossible to translate something that simple wrong and you can easily feed the images for additional context on the scenes. It'll even do the typesetting and sound effects for you.
>>749516075Just pirate the RTK book series.It teaches you how to write them with correct stroke order, what kanji is made of other kanji, what specific kanji looks like when converted into a radical for other kanji and gives you easy ways to remember them with mnemonics.Theres also a website that lets you search up any kanji so long as you know one of the kanji its made up of https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/
>>749516691Because the Fate H/A fan translation patch was at a standstill during that time for whatever reason (I think around 2011 or so, I was late to the party) and in the mean time this absolute chad just came around and dropped a full MTL patch for everyone to use. Causing massive butthurt for autists that wanted to be first.
>>749516993RTK is so uselss. A bunch of mnemonics that tell you nothing about the kanji other than how to write it.
>>749517030So that fag demanding it be taken down is just a butthurt fag?
>>749510323It's only worth it if you're a weeb and plan on taking the pilgrimage to weeb Mecca at least once in your life. If you're like me, who lives in the midwest, and has only interacted with a handful of English-speaking Asians in their entire life, then fuck that.
>>749517150Re-reading it, it also seemed to use the butthurt fag's patch as a basis.So imagine your work getting stolen while you hoard it all like a faggotdragon then some chad comes and steals your treasure and finishes it for the world to experience.
