"Learn Japanese" fags in shambles.
AI is going to translate all this shit in 5 minutes.
NOOOO STOP PLAYING THOSE GAMES BAKA GAIJIN THOSE AREN'T FOR YOU
>AI
>>749509123indeed. more accurate than the alternative
literally the only good use of LLMs
Okay but are the TLs any good? Because the AI TLs I read on novelupdates are pretty consistently ass unless the guy making them spends time editing it.
can someone translate the dreamcast mystery dungeon game k thx
>>749509215This. Machine assisted and 100% AI TLs are night and day.
>>749509194More accurate than knowing japanese?All translations suck but i'll grant you machine translation is better than localization.
>>749508814No one told you to learn Japanese to play games with no translation available, the idea was for you to stop using translations at all (regardless of how they were made) because they will always be inferior.
>bro just trust the AI translation of someone who doesn't speak Japanese themselvesNo thanks, I use AI to try to translate shit daily while learning Japanese and it's crazy how much it gets wrong
>>749508870Good.
>>749508814>G-mode finally releases>After like 4 goddamn years of the Steam release>Waited because>Of the fucking water textureJesus Christ.
>>749509867Does the AI get lines like this wrong?
>>749508814Learning Japanese is literally impossible if you didn't start as a child. 3 different alphabets. Instead of vowels building words building phrases, Japan has unique characters for each word or phrase. Meaning you have an infinizillion symbols to memorize. Also good luck having a conversation with a japanese person, actually getting to hear each word they spew at a rapid machinegun fire rate and respond with the correct word with the correct gender/formality/whatever other else context.
Google translate is objectively much much worse now that it's AI-driven. Having all these these botched translations out there is only going to increase the value of language-learning.
>>749510323None of that makes Japanese difficult, you can brute force memorize all of that in a year or so
>>749510323I did it in my late 20sIt's not impossible, it's just a waste of time
>>749509867then just use a better AI model lolthe best ones already BTFO human translators
so much cope ITT from retards who wasted their life learning a dead chingchong language kek
>>749508814>Here's some low effort garbage games that weren't good enough to translate and release on real platformsNah I'm good
>>749510323The first half is just extremely basic rote memorization the second half is true but irrelevant to media where everything is very clearly enunciated
>>749510452You don't know Japanese if you think this is the case
>>749509393AI is worse than actually learning Japanese. However AI is much better than "learning Japanese" with internet flashcards like stupid ass weebs frequently brag about.
why would i play a translation if i can play the original
>>749510720I don't want to see gookscribbles on my screen while gaming
>>749508814A translation will always be a translation. If you cannot parse text directly into thoughtform you are just reading someone else sloppy seconds interpretation of the text.
>>749510771then you should avoid playing japanese games
AI is good enough for JP learners so it's probably good enough for the slop u fags play
>>749508814>using AI>not even bothering to proofread it afterwardsDo the jeets who release these low effort translation patches even really care? What's the point then
>>749509123Nigger do not act like before all the current AI shilling that /v/ didnt majorly push for machine translation instead of localized shit
>>749510823But they aren't Japanese if they're in English. It's like calling ramen or yakisoba Japanese when I make them at home; it's not because it's mine now.
>>749510921if you think its slop why are you invested in whether people play a translation or the original
>>749511116First post in the thread after kinda skimming the rest. Just postin because AI is good enough for translations now and saying otherwise is just cope.
>>749511070some japanese games include kanji characters as symbols on in game objects, icons or ui elements even if the rest is translated to english so you should watch out so you dont get a panic attack
>>749510430it's not a waste of time if you play a lot of japanese mediathere are somethings EOPs will just never understand
>>749511209so youre just here to shill ai?
>>749510452you wouldn't know the difference between a good and bad translationyou just take the word of whoever gets to you first if you cared about the truth you'd try to empower yourselfbut since you don't stop pretending you do
>>749511356More or less. Now go read MAO translationshttps://mao-tls.github.io/
>AI translationwe really are just going to let the world fall apart. Fuck quality, amirite? This is just disgusting.
>>749511070then why are you even playing japaense games?
>>749511289The funny scribbles left untranslated are just there as flavor. They have no bearing on the content because if they did they'd be in English too. Now get back to making me my miso paste and Kikkoman stuff, Takeshi.
>>749510323Sounds like a skill issue, considering how many people become reasonably fluent as adults.Admittedly, complete fluency is a bit of a tall order, but if you're being honest, your english fluency is far from complete as well, as is the case for 98-99% of completely native speakers who've only known english since birth. You know goddamn well there's a lot of words that you don't know and couldn't guess at the meaning of, even right this moment.
>>749511565i thought you were scared of seeing japanese characters in your games like you said before so i alerted you to this fact for your own safety. dont play samurai warriors 4 btw, they flash a really big kanji on screen every time you use a musou attack
>>749511472Because they're fun. I don't need to respect a culture and certainly not a language to consume their products. Do you think that because we import cumin and black pepper we should respect Indians by opening up shitting streets?
>>749511759then why did you even need a translation?
>>749511681I know what the word rape means, and that's all I will ever need.
>>749511289Claude Opus can easily extract them and translate those too. All directly on the .iso. It takes like 5 hours to do a full game with some rounds of feedback.
>>749511969>opussonnet 5.5 did it for me in 20 minutes, all text strings + all images
>>749511056"/v/" was retarded then too.The ideal is fan translations done by people who actually know what they're doing.
>>749511969>>749512225i can already read japanese though but i guess the other anon i was warning will appreciate that
Chaindive does not use AI btw
Wake me up when they do the Devilman game
private trackers ban AI subs. All AI translations on exhentai have terrible ratings. People don't want AI subs, or at least the older anime fans. I imagine the younger generations getting into these communities don't give a fuck and that will be the future for all this kind of media anyway.
Wait does that mean i can finally translate all the manga that got dropped by trannyslators?
>>749511436of all the things to be against AI for Translation is not one of those things art and communication is different because art transcends language barriers but not words, there are a few auto translators in the world now that actively translate live what people are saying to eachother I think in this case where the authors intent isnt marred or hidden behind people with bad intentions or frivolous morals. The Language barrier is something as a whole Humanity actually benefits from destroying completely. I speak as an artist and even as a potential writer myself it only means good things as the machine begins to pick up on inflections and meaning, nothing bad other then a few fucking self righteous faggots in the industry losing their jobs and usefulness.
>>749509123The reality is you either get machine/AI translations or no one will touch these things with a five foot pole because the curious are never the skilled. Only those autistic enough to try. And hey I'm not asking you to compromise either, that's just the mess we're in.
>>749511436not like fan translations aren't devoid of their own bullshit before. see wonder project 2 or tales of phantasia dejap.
>>749511843millenialwoes.jpg
>>749513480That's peanuts
>>749508814basedhuman faggot translators have become even mroe worthless and it's the best shit ever
>>749508814Learning korean, am i retarded for doing so? i dont like japan
>>749510706Flashcards are gay, the best way to learn is the exact same way you did with your first language.Just through context and hearing it alot.
>>749514474Why are you learning korean?
>>749514474Depends, do you like k-dramas and k-pop?The only real reason to learn a language today is to engage with media in its original language, any actual important reason for knowing a language died along time ago with dedicated translators and now with real time automatic translation software. You can literally subtitle an irl conversation with smart glasses. So it honestly depends on why you want to learn it.
>>749514538It takes Japanese kids 7-8 years of learning the spoken language and all the words and understanding from birth and then 10 years of learning the kanji in school, from being exclusively exposed to the language all day every day for 17+ years Flashcards let you condense that into a year or two as a gaikokujin
>Want to learn cantonese>All the resources online are for mandarin
>>749511681The difference is that gaijin don't have a Japanese brain. Any idiot of any race can learn talk velyvely good engrish, but Japanese is such a complex language that if your brain doesn't have special adaptations that are only racially found in the Japanese, then you'll just never be able to speak it properly.Japan during the showa and early heisei genuinely believed this.
>>749513049There are VN text hookers dating to the Fate/sn translation.You're talking about some luddie nu-translator rating competition badly because he needs donates for his sick mother lol.
>>749514765Japanese kids do not take 7-8 years to be able to speak.2 year olds are able to understand and communicate.Reading Kanji is a different story, but understanding a language is alot easier than you imply.
>>749514580>>749514642I like the art korean artists post on twitter and pixiv and its also a fascinating language and culture
>>749509867The AI doesn't really get lines wrong anymore. Dunno what you're talking about.
>>749515251The point is by the time they're 7 and ready for school they already know tens of thousands of words, how they're pronounced and what they mean, and only then do they start assigning kanji to the words in school
>>749515252Engaging with media is a good reason.Its buisness reasons that are literally unimportant in todays world.
>>749515306It does, stop coping
>>749515391Any replicable examples?
>>749515352Yes and you can do the exact same.If you want to speed up the reading process then you can watch stuff thats subtitled in japanese.Speaking a language is considerably easier than reading and writing it, thats true of all languages.
>>749515458>>Yes and you can do the exact same.Why would you waste 17 years on doing the exact same when you can cram it into a year or two with flashcards Not to mention that learning kango makes far more sense when you have tons of kanji examples in front of you as opposed to first learning them as pronounced words where you won't necessarily pick up on the patterns
>>749510542Don't you ever dare speak that way about ChainDive again, nigger.
>>749515560>learning kango makes far more sense when you have tons of kanji examplesWhy would I learn nursing?
>>749515560Flashcards are boring.Watching content and playing vidya is fun.You can learn without feeling like you're studying if you're just playing video games.
>>749508814trannylators in shambles
I still need to learn Japanese tbf. There's an anime I need to watch that will never be translated ever and waiting for ai to get good enough would be another decade at most probably.
>>749515657Watching content and playing vidya when you don't know the words nor grammar nor kanji is not fun, flashcards let you efficiently frontload and optimize the boring stuff so you can get to the fun stuff
>>749508814Why would I be in shambles? AI translation just makes my decision to learn JP a decade ago even better in retrospect.Back then people would be like "nooo you have to learn Chinese, Japanese is a waste of time, there's no business value" and it's like bitch, I just want to enjoy Japanese media in its original language, fuck money. And now anyone who learned a language 'for the money' is shit out of luck, and I still get to play JP games in their original language.If you don't understand why playing it in its original language is a good thing, you're probably monolingual. Even an ideal translation is still just a translation and not the same experience.
>>749515713>Consumes tranime content from tranpanYou're one of them
>>749515859
>>749512243Get fucked you dumb nigger.
>>749510323You can learn kana in a weekend as long as you arent retarded. Learning Kanji is becoming irrelevant by the day with translation apps. Learning basic Japanese to talk to someone is not hard. Once you learn noun placement and verb changes, you're basically all set. After that the hardest part is getting a Japanese person to talk to you.
>>749515760Playing vidya in japanese is incredibly easy, you dont even need to understand the language to be able to beat most vidya. If you then learn hiragana and katakana which takes a whole 1 day, then you're at a much bigger learning advantage from simply interacting with menus and listening to subtitled ingame dialogue.I was playing vidya before I could even read in my native language (English) and vidya is also how I learnt to read
>>749508814i bought a couple atlus g-mode games last year because the guy translating last bible said they were gonna get to the persona games soonguess its time to finally play them
>>749516016Except kanji is nothing like latin script and can't be picked up casually like that without a ridiculous time investment, which you can skip by going through flashcards
>>749508912>THOSE AREN'T FOR YOUas it should
>>749515983I ain't reading all that
>>749509867I'd rather have an AI stay truthful and fumble occasionally than a faggot who hates everything Japanese rewriting entire characters to fit his view points
>>749510323Japanese isnt a gendered language.Atleast not in standard japanese.Some slang like atashi is mainly used by girls however.
hoping we get to the spoonfeeding soon cause i want a complete Giftpia trannylation and DONT put it behind a discord please!
>>749509393>>749509867>>749511436>AI can't possibly be better at translating than humans... ACK!
>>749508814I encourage all AI translators to include a credit to the LLM they used right on the title screen so that everyone can know right away the nature of the translation they've done. There is already precedent for this set by Working Designs for many of their games.
>>749516158You should rather learn the language and avoid having to go through middlemen altogether
>>749515842>you're probably monolingualThis is what we in the industry call "cope"
>>749516075>Flashcardsそれらは何ですか?Ive never used them and never will.
>>749516182https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7778/
>>749516075>which you can skip by going through flashcardswhich you can skip by having AI translate it
>>749511681Retard, most Japanese only speak N3 levels of their own god damn language. Most all college students are on the low end of N2, with engineers, programmers, and language majors beibg on the higher end.Oh, fun fact, Japanese Engineers learn fluent German because their language is so dogshit it can't describe all the terms they need to know to do actual engineering shit. Trying to do any collaborative work with Japanese engineers is a fucking nightmare because of this, and has lead to the proliferation of entire fucking firms who's sole job is to act as intermediary translators for manufacturing firms dealing business with Japan.Meanwhile going for N1 is basically unheard of unless you're a writing or history major.Throw in Japanese slang and how their refusal to adopt a space between words, leading to them instead schitzophreically alternating between hiragana and katakana when writing kanji words, in order to put in mental "spaces" between words, and Ive never actually wanted to shoot myself before as strongly as I did when I realized a year and a half of College Japanese was a complete waste of time.I hate the Gooks, I hate their women, I hate their dog spit language, their food is pure IG slop, but fucking hell learning conversational Korean in less than a month was a breath of fresh god damn air.The Japanese could easily overhaul their language seeing as the Gooks could do it in less than 5 years. Though they might not have do seeing as Japanese students now speak english just as well as they speak Japanese (poorly), but wait and see I guess.
I want to learn Japanese so I can go to Japanese furry cons and buy kemoshota merch
>>749516425You are a disgusting man
>>749516361Gooks are koreanNips are japanesePlease learn your racial slurs t. /pol/
>>749513049I could AI translate better than 99% of the people that upload random slop doujinshi and I have zero experience. The thing is they don't double check, fix grammar, optimize bubbles and text, or fucking do anything. Just hit translate and upload yolo.I guess everyone that would have put in the effort is too old to care at this point and all you get is ESL retards. I was a major contributor to torrents way back in the day, uploaded thousands. If I was younger I would put in 100% effort to AI translate but do it well.I got better shit to do now
>>749516361NTA but this is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. Any Japanese first-year high school student could pass N1. Also, I passed N1 over a decade ago as an adult, and still don't feel near-native in fluency. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>749516075>and can't be picked up casually like that without a ridiculous time investmenthttps://github.com/bpwhelan/GameSentenceMiner
>>749516464we all have our goals in life, and kemoshota is one of the few things that makes me happy
>>749516312damn im retarded, but if this is it and its finished, then i a m very happy man, we can let the old dog finally rest then, RIP.http kirameki altervista org/eng/giftpia php
>>749516216This doesn't really indicate the quality of the AI so much as clarifies the translator's own lack of skill. If you're translating things and an AI returns many errors that you yourself couldn't diagnose, then you have no business translating anything. It makes you question whether these kinds of people can even make it through an entire easy light novel and actually understand what they were reading.
>>749516361Literally any late middle school to early highschool kid could get close to 180/180 on n1 with no study for it
>>749516543Nigger you're suggesting a flashcard method to someone who's advocating for flashcards
>>749516216what was he translating?
>>749508814SD Gundam & SMT Devil Summoner translations finally
>>749516560I'm amazed how open you are about sacrificing all of your dignity, even if it is just anonymously. I'm always impressed at people who have no shame in life.
I HAVE TO MEMORIZE HOW MANY JAP LETTERS TO BE FLUENT?
>>749516629GSM is just a yomitan overlay for games so you don't have to look them up externally. You don't have to mine shit if you don't want to
>>749515983I don't understand.Why is that one fag super pissed that some random dude made a translation patch?
>>749516361This reads like someone who complains about "rare" words and grammar that they only see in study textbooks. Not because they're actually rare, but because they don't read anything or listen to any native media to find out how common these "rare" elements actually are. The kind of dumbasses who claim that something like 咎める is an uncommon word, or that 汝 is archaic and never used anywhere, or that や否や is obscure grammar that you won't see in your lifetime.
>>749516675Kanji is the easy part
>>749516567about 95% of people who work on fan translations of manga/anime/games/visual novels have literally no business translating anything. it's an art form that requires mastery (not just fluency, mastery) of two languages and years of study. meanwhile we've got ESLs who have not read a single book in their lives who barely scraped by N1 translating shit. obviously AI is prima facie going to btfo the average fan translation when the situation is like this. good translators have jobs, they don't waste their time working unpaid to provide toys for nerds>>749516645https://vndb.org/v10680
>>749510323Problema di competenza
>>749516216AI translations are still gonna suck if the one prompting Claude is a retard and also neglects to proofread anything. Just look at the flood of AI translations on sadpanda.A lot of these AI translations are being done for flex and clout instead of genuinely wanting to get a decent/good English translation.
>>749516567The AI could return errors on any pro TL. It's like asking a human to verse a calculator. Machines are better than people at this stuff.
>>749516729>https://vndb.org/v10680damn, I wonder if he just wanted an excuse to stop, I bet translating your favorite VN can help you a lot with learning the language but I bet after a certain point you get bored with it
>>749516698>The kind of dumbasses who claim that something like 咎める is an uncommon wordLearned this watching Gachiakuta>or that 汝 is archaic and never used anywhereLearned this from watching Card Captor Sakura>or that や否や is obscure grammar that you won't see in your lifetimeLearned this from watching The Ninth Jedi
>>749508814You still have to wait for translations while I'm already playing it
>>749516675Memorizing what characters mean is the easy part. Bullshit readings is what makes the language hard imo. 躊躇, 躊躇い etc
>>749516797If a sadpanda level comic (simple manga dialogue, tons of stock porn lines) is translated badly it's because someone's trying to do it on a free model that they provide by default on Google (or it was uploaded 2+ years ago). It's almost impossible to translate something that simple wrong and you can easily feed the images for additional context on the scenes. It'll even do the typesetting and sound effects for you.
>>749516075Just pirate the RTK book series.It teaches you how to write them with correct stroke order, what kanji is made of other kanji, what specific kanji looks like when converted into a radical for other kanji and gives you easy ways to remember them with mnemonics.Theres also a website that lets you search up any kanji so long as you know one of the kanji its made up of https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/
>>749516691Because the Fate H/A fan translation patch was at a standstill during that time for whatever reason (I think around 2011 or so, I was late to the party) and in the mean time this absolute chad just came around and dropped a full MTL patch for everyone to use. Causing massive butthurt for autists that wanted to be first.
>>749516993RTK is so uselss. A bunch of mnemonics that tell you nothing about the kanji other than how to write it.
>>749517030So that fag demanding it be taken down is just a butthurt fag?
>>749510323It's only worth it if you're a weeb and plan on taking the pilgrimage to weeb Mecca at least once in your life. If you're like me, who lives in the midwest, and has only interacted with a handful of English-speaking Asians in their entire life, then fuck that.
>>749517150Re-reading it, it also seemed to use the butthurt fag's patch as a basis.So imagine your work getting stolen while you hoard it all like a faggotdragon then some chad comes and steals your treasure and finishes it for the world to experience.
>he didn't just watch 10000 hours of anime to learn Japanese
>>749517217Ok well fuck that guy then.
>Waaaa mom it's hard Just immerse, dumbfuck
>>749508814
>>749517251Watching with English subs teaches you almost nothing.
>>749517398That depends on whether its "official" or fan subs.Fan subs > official almost every time
>>749517119Learning what a symbol means in your native language first is a huge advantage. Even if you forget for an easy example the readings for 専 if you know it means Dr. then you can still understand what its saying. This helps with kanji that have multiple kun'yomi and on'yomi readings that you dont know.
>>749517398Worked for me
>>749508814What concerns me is that, before, if a translation was shitty or whatever, the community would rake it over the coals and eventually fix it, even when the troons would pitch super big fits and try to stop you.But now with AI translations, AI fags are way more sensitive, constantly try to fuck up conversations about fixing MTL/LLM translations, and spread misinfo all over the place. Then the real damaging thing is like, troonslators were always too sensitive to leave their forums, but AI fags come here, and so they stand to fuck with the actually good translators we have around here and bitch out any budding onesLike I think back to about 6 years ago, in the Kamen Rider scene where O-T was basically the big face of translations, and they were total shitlibs that also loved doing "localizations." Eventually they were fucking up enough and taking so slow that people were complaining all the time about it, and they did the whole>we actually have lives outside of translating :^)>if you hate it, do it yourself :^)and then someone on /m/ actually rose to the task and made the undisputed best subs for Zero-One and was the most consistent one to rely on for years, while also being super fast on uploading the next day after broadcast. And now we might not get shit like that anymore because AI fags are way more belligerent and pushing their shit and demanding there be no questions, while actively trying to convince anons not to learn Japanese and actually do decent translations
>>749517398Watch raw or with japanese subs.English subs dont work because you're not really listening properly, you're just reading the english text.
>>749517532>専 means Dr.
>>749517251Name some anime that are good but not good enough that I care too much about paying 100% attention.Basically give me good background anime to have on.
>>749517526Fansubs can be just as bad, if not worse>>749517565Doubt it.
>>749517567>O-T was basically the big face of translations, and they were total shitlibs that also loved doing "localizations."The shit they did to Gaim still pisses me off.
>>749517593>watch these people babble something while not understanding anything and you will magically learn what they are saying
>>749517693>Fansubs can be just as bad, if not worse
>>749517532>Even if you forget for an easy example the readings for 専 if you know it means Dr. then you can still understand what its saying.Sen doesn't mean doctor...
>>749517526The reason why fansubs could be considered better than official subs are entirely unrelated to the quality of the translation. It's stuff like karaoke, typesetting, understanding of the material. The translations themselves? Usually dogshit.It's not that Crunchyroll has particularly talented translators (they don't) but fan translators have always genuinely been apes who barely speak English, let alone Japanese. But the fan translators are often literal thirdie apes. You just don't typically notice this because anime dialogue is genuinely mostly N3 level and hard to mistranslate.
>>749517708Wasn't that Aesir that did the Mr. Warring-States Man
>>749517760Fansubbers genuinely suck at Japanese.
>>749517693>Doubt it.Some people simply have the IQ required to learn a language. I'm sure you can do it too if you work hard
>>749517823It was released under a different name but it was "basically" OT.I believe it was Magenta who was part of OT.
>>749517593Raw doesn't work because you can't easily look up what they're saying and the dialogue comes at you fast.
>>749517686Sorry clicked the wrong one on my kanji converter博 was what I was supposed to write
>>749517743How do you think babies learn?
>>749508814Ermm... Where's the zoomer slang? The outdated jokes? The anti-capitalist messaging and non-binary language?
>>749517251is there a japanese version of sesame street i can watch?
>>749510323I literally learned it by early 20s starting at 18.
>>749517779博It was meant to be this
>>749510430This. Don't do it bros. Not when AI can do it for you. In fact, don't ever learn anything ever again for the same reason. There's no more reason for human intellectual activity.
>>749517942Are you a baby?
>>749517864Off of English subs? Yeah, no. Most are too loose to make any kind of progress in the language, even assuming you attempted to parse what you were hearing.
>>749517593You've to go out of your way to find jp subs
>>749517760anon, even in the past 99% of fansubbers and fan translators either literally made shit up or wrangled literal google translate into something readable but not accuratenowadays its even worse because anyone with a brain holds too big of a grudge against the average ironic weeb to translate shit and anyone willing to "translate" is doing so with literal AI
>>749518105No, but not being a baby would make it easier, retard.
>>749518140Bettermelon.ru
>>749518010Ah okay. You could still know that kanji without doing RTK but recognizing it from 博士
Reading teaches the words if you want to watch raw and watching raw teaches you to actually notice it in conversations. Watching with subs in en or jp won't make you get good at listening. Both are cope
>>749518147Are you a professional translator or something? You are shilling really hard against fansubs.
>>749516361>Retard, most Japanese only speak N3 levels of their own god damn language.this isn't actually true
>>749514765>It takes Japanese kids 7-8 years of learning the spoken language and all the words and understanding from birth and then 10 years of learning the kanji in schoolYeah, I forgot how japanese kids can't communicate with each other at all before they are 18. You fucking retard.
>>749518136You never learnt any Japanese words from watching anime with English subs? I'm sure you did. Now simply do that for every word, it's simple repetition
>>749518140https://jimaku.cc/Literally everything that has subs is here>>749518215He's right tho. Fansubs are just as but, just in different ways that aren't obvious to you. There's a reason people only ever post obvious culture war changes here
>>749518273>He's right tho.Don't pretend you're a different person.
>>749517687anything isekai
>>749518249Maybe the odd interjection or pronoun, but not the entire syntax and grammar. It's simply too different to parse from just reading subs while listening.
>>749516472No shit, retard. Learn to fucking read, I'm specifically referring to the Gook's Hangul lanugage reforms.>>749516486>>749516590>>749516698Cool, good job faggot. Except I've been to Japan, I worked with the Japanese, and Highschool students have all but given up on seriously learning their own fucking language. It was a serious point of reform before Covid hit, and since then standards have dropped. And even then, just last year their language exam scores were the worst they've been in fucking decades.Fucking weebs are more in love with Japanese than the Japanese are, I swear to God.
aiGAWDS dabbing on retards who wasted their time learning nip or whatever generic bait i don't even care anymore
>>749517875>it was all O-T all alongGolgom soundin niggas
>>749518170Ok go find yourself a Japanese mommy and live in complete immersion for 10 years and it will probably work. The reason English subbed anime works is because you already have the knowledge of the English words so it's much easier to connect the meanings to Japanese words you are hearing rather than build them up from nothing like babies do
>>749517743Thats literally how every single human learnt their first language.
I'm 100% convinced that people that keep trying to push people to flashcards are doing exclusively to get them to give up.It is the absolute worse way to learn anything even if you have enough discipline to keep it up which nobody in this thread has because it's fucking sunday night and you're shitposting on /v/
>>749517875Old Testament?
>>749510205What game is this? I like this character.
>>749518342>Highschool students have all but given up on seriously learning their own fucking language.I find that seriously hard to believe with how standard the language is on N1. How the fuck did they even finish highschool?
>>749518441Over-Time.You won't have heard of them unless you are into toku.
>>749518140A lot of netflix rips have all language subsThough I don't recommend that as your only method of learning anyways
>99% of the ESLs on 4chan learn english by just consuming media and playing games>people pretend it's impossible to do the same for japanese
>>749518443Golden something from saga planets iirc
>>749518430Flash cards are probably the best way to learn vocabulary.
>>749518340>learn すき>learn 君がすき>learn it used in a longer sentence>repeat with all other words>grammar acquired
>>749518342>Seriously learningYou could say the same about english and yet every single english speaker can speak it
>>749508870yeah, into unpassable garbage.It's funny that for all these trillions being poured into jeet AI shit, it still can't do basic useful stuff like translate between languages correctly
>>749518494>inb4 someone says Japanese = hard and english = easyIts actually the opposite irl.
>>749518507No. Actually consuming media is the best way to learn vocabulary. Just like with every other language on earth. You're just a miserable piece of shit trying to get people to quit learning nihon
>>749516216copebots on suicide alert
>>749518342Listen, there's no salvaging how stupid your post was. I live in Japan right now and have for over a decade, so your 'I've been to Japan and worked with the Japanese' credentials do not impress me. You claimed that Japanese -college students- were on the -low end of N2-. You are retarded, period. Any native speaker can pass N1 easily at the beginning of high school. You are wrong, period, either lying or you spent your time in Japan in a sad little English speaking bubble.
>>749518563the only reason english could ever be considered easier is that it is easier to immerse yourself in english content exclusively compared to japaneseas far as the language itself and grammar japanese is far easier
>>749518513Ahhh how convenient that your example is a simple declarative sentence. Your argument would break the second an actual sentence was formed.
>>749518590>Any native speaker can pass N1 easily at the beginning of high school.I don't really agree with the other guy but you're retarded.
>>749518635Not to mention most countries these days teach English in school from 3rd grade up
>>749518578Media is all well and good, but there's simply too much vocabulary to learn to simply let it pass you by. You still have to make an intentional effort to memorize what you see, which will be thousands of words.
Just read 9+ hours a day until you make it. There's no other way
>>749518692How can you not understand that you learn shit step by step? You hear the same type of sentence with a word or two swapped and you start understanding how that sentence works without ever being taught any grammar rules. It's not like you were taught grammar rules for your native language before you were already fluent in it
>>749518737>but there's simply too much vocabulary to learn to simply let it pass you byThat is exactly what dictionaries are for.
>>749518340You cant figure particles out?は (when pronounced as わ wa) is a topic flagが subjectを objectに targetと just means andの is basically an 's
>>749518696N1 is piss easy if you are fluent, which all Japanese kids are
>>749518806You still gotta memorize it.
>>749518696Care to elaborate? N1 is not difficult for native speakers, and passing only requires 100/180. You can only get 60% right and still pass. Which section do you imagine a native speaking 10th grader to fail with that huge a buffer?
>>749518737Is that how you learned English? Assuming that's your native language.
>>749518826>と just means andngmi
>>749518841Not really.You memorize shit that's commonplace and gets said all the time.For the rest its something you can look up.
>>749518737>there's simply too much vocabulary to learn to simply let it pass you byThat's why you watch more so it comes by again and again
I think the retarded jeets that make nonstop AI threads on /v/ and then spend every thread on the defensive while sucking corpocock for AI should be hunted down and killed
>>749518194Correct. Subs, even in the native language, are detrimental to the learning experience
>>749510921where can i find this
>>749518826>に targetVery convenient truncation of one of the most complex particles to translate>と just means andWhat about conditionals? What about its quotative function? You just starting out?>の is basically an 'sIt nominalizes as well. Pretty important function.
You can understand 80% of Japanese just by memorizing a bit more than 1000 words.
>>749518882The rest is the rest of the language, which does in fact also have to be memorized, otherwise your nose will be in a dictionary for the rest of your life.
>>749518928The moe way discord #resource-sharing
>>749518826holy simplistic troonslator brainlet tier understanding
>>749518885You underestimate how much vocabulary that actually is
>tfw can't learn anything at all because of dementia or some shitI'm only in my late 20's but there's been times when I've forgotten my own birth date a few times before. I definitely know this is not normal, but is there anyone else here that has exceptionally bad memory formation and memory recall?
>>749518797Because the word order is reversed and grammar can be difficult to parse. Approaching Japanese from a Western-language perspective is very difficult.
>>749519031that's pretty bad. check your diet or see if you're being poisoned by something in the environment. or see a doctor.
>>749518850To put it simply for a short 4chan post yes it means and.Are there other use cases sure but you can understand them by understanding that its function is as an "and"
>>749519031sounds like brain fog from a shitload of anxiety and depression
>>749518696He's retarded only because a half-illiterate middle schooler could pass an N1 test if they were native. It's a B2 level multiple choice exam where you need 100/180 to pass.CERF B2:>A B2 level of English would allow you to function in the workplace in English, and indeed, many non-native English speakers in international workplaces have this level of English. A person working in English at a B2 level will, however, lack nuance particularly outside his own field. He may also miss some of the subtleties and implied meanings in conversation.>You can express most general thoughts, but you often lack exact words, nuanced phrasing, or proper idioms for abstract, technical, or high-register topics.>Even if you can keep a conversation flowing, you may still pause to search for structures or feel that your thoughts are much clearer in your native language than what actually comes out.
>>749518849I learned my native language through a combination of exposure, school, and the power of a developing brain to naturally acquire a mother tongue.
>>749519031are you getting enough vitamins? you're at that point where your body can't sustain bad lifestyle practices as good
>AI mods>AI translationsAI this AI that. could you imagine shilling this shit for free. you could be talking about your own personal projects but no. instead you're just cattle.
>>749519179All my personal project's are my girlfriend Claude's personal projects too. We are a team, an inseparable dynamic duo.
>>749519067You just have to accept that's how it is and stop trying to translate it to English in your head. Actually learn the words rather than always translating them to English. I'm at a point where I catch myself thinking about shit in Japanese all the time simply because the last thing I did was in Japanese or the thing I'm thinking about is related to Japanese
>>749518929>ConditionalsSure but the function is still basically an and.Do X and Y happens. Its a very simplified way of explaining it for beginners which is what im attempting to do.
>>749519346Oh and to answer the question about just starting out, yes.I'm only about 6 months into learning.
>>749518583>mother 3 fan translationbut thats full of errors and "localization"
>>749518506Nice, thanks anon
>>749518449The N tests only measure formal "foundational" Japanese, and not the slang everybody speaks with now. And simple fact is, 90% of all reading in Japan is at the N3 level. Unless you're either in college, or are reading texts that are 30+ years old, you don't need proficiency past N2.>>749518590Japanese Jr High students are expected to know a rough average of 2,000 words, including kanji, shit for brains. Most college prep schools don't teach past N2>>749518847Theres "passing" and then there's passing. If you come to Japan as a foreigner and apply to a school, you HAVE to score at least an N2. However, universities will look at where you scored within the N2 bracket, and id you're not hitting above 88%, most schools won't take you. Nicer schools like Tokyo will not take anybody below 98% under any circumstance, and generally require a minimum of 80% N1 to be competitive.The Japs have their own tests for native speakers, but its all the same bullshit. Stupid tests to gauge how many words you've remembered which is only a thing if you're being tested on dogshit pictogram script based lanuages like Japanese and Chinese. Koreans used to be the same, because like the Japs, they stole the worst fucking thing they could from the Chinks, their fucking vocabulary.
>>749518237Where'd I say that, you can't even read english retard
>>749519596>Japanese Jr High students are expected to know a rough average of 2,000 wordsBased retard
>>749518550>heckin NOOOOOO don't use AI! a human might translate it someday if we wait long enough!!! WHAT IF THERE'S A TYPO???!
>>749519596I would argue with you, but you've already moved the goalposts so far that I can just quote your own words back at you:>>749516361>" most Japanese only speak N3 levels of their own god damn language">" Most all college students are on the low end of N2">"going for N1 is basically unheard of unless you're a writing or history major"You are retarded, sorry!
