The star has sunkenBillions must solve
how
>>749593491i somehow beat it with slow-mo. sometimes i wonder if it's even a puzzle game rather than a precision platformer
>>749593821ahh, so I tried slow-mo and almost got it but it had to be pixel perfect so I figured that must be wrong and the right way is to somehow get the crystal on the first lilypad. thanks ill just try to cheese it again now that I know it works
hmm interesting level jon, but it may be a bit too minimal
>>749593491Most of the puzzles people frequently post are genuinely difficult onesThis is the exception. I must have solved it in two minutes.There's ONE THING the druid can do here, how do people not experiment with it?
Can't figure this one out. I feel like I've tried every valid move and they don't do shit
What is the rule that dictates if a cube is active? Is it all the gem switches in a certain radius?
>>749594245just fucking kill yourself
>>749594325Whoops, wrong post
Did Blow finesse this publisher or what lmao.
>>749594290Look closely at the beam that's giving you trouble.
>>749594297Yeah. If you have the gems on you see a wavy effect on the borders of the active area
>>749592528This looks like one of those cheap mobage adverts with the bizarre storylines.
its always fucking skipping stones
>spend all that time making your own programming language and game engineI wonder if he's mad that AI made all of his work obsolete.
>>749592528>ORDER OF THE SHILLING SAAAAARThese threads are about as organic as all the 10/10 reviews on Metacritic by accounts created after the game released.
>>749597462Gotta admit name dropping SSR is a nice touch.
>>749597462> Game by big indie releases after 10 years since his last one> Gets a few threads with low activity> Um achsually this is artificialLmao
>>749598591>10 rupees have been deposited to your street corner
>>749597462so is it bots getting stuck on puzzles and offering solutions or what
Yeah this is just getting really boring
>>749593491>>749593821>>749594129Here's my solve for this, which still feels completely janky even without having to work out the steps in-the-moment. I think this puzzle sucks shit. The next one is pretty good, though.
mirror is clipping into the wallunplayable
Man. This game is so unbelievably rad. I super love this game!
>>749599260lmao did you get it yet?
>>749597462>>749598713You're right about them being inorganic attempts at shitting on the game that get ignored by everyone discussing the game instead yeah, nice try nigger jeet lmao>>749599123browns in fact
>>749601032A long time ago. Heroes just sucks
The only sokoban I ever played is Baba Is YouI liked the puzzles where you have to think bigly about how to arrange the wordsI hated the puzzles where you have very limited movement and need to make exactly the right moves to not get stuckWhich type is this game?
>>749601147>Which type is this game?it has a little bit of everything, including what you like and hate.
Someone explain to me how teleport plus skip beam is supposed to work. I've done these levels twice and still don't understand the rules.
>>749601764Chessboard rules; white captures white, black captures black.Like a bishop except not diagonals.I think the logic is that a normal teleport considers every object in your path, but when you move double your 'path' skips every second tile.
>>749601085>REDEEM THE GAME YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD, ITS 10/10 MASTERPIECEshitting on the game with their single 10/10 reviews?at least put some effort in the shilling, this is embarrassing ...
>>749601826Ok I can see that logic, and it explains why you can teleport through so many walls. It only seems to work if you try to skip going down the beam. Going perpendicular to works as expected.
>>749602218Never mind, it works going perpendicular to the beam as well. Fucking wizards,
>>749599478This makes more sense now, I did a fucked up unintended version of this where you root the second lilypad inside the gap instead of near the start, and it's only possible to unroot + move back + switch + push + move across if you time it perfectly at the beginning of a frame using the animation state
>>749600673I was stuck at that puzzle with the golden square in the middle that everyone gets stuck on only to move past it and then immediately get stuck on the next puzzle
Im loving the game but i dont get the slanderI dont know what is a Saar because im a ESL can you enlighten me?
>>749605136Its a meme about how indians say "Sir" a lot and pronounce it saar. People say sinking saar either to be funny because the words are similar, or in this case because they think hired indian shills are making threads, which is unlikely.
I missed the discount period. But is He Who Watches any good? I might get it the moment it goes on sale again.
>>749608789I liked it a lot (but less than OotSS). It has the classic puzzle game thing where you learn a mechanic that's hiding in plain sight, and other hidden puzzles and stuff. The individual puzzle levels are really good and with a cool hint system that I didn't feel bad about using. And great presentation. 8.5/10.Apparently it's an aggy dagger which is neat.
>>749609103Cool. I'll definitely play it then when the time comes.
how actually long is this game?
>>749603949finally beat skipping stones 1 I feel pretty happy about it and I'm not looking forward to finding all 6 treasures
>>749610217No one knows but 'oe blow
>>749594290The laser is on a lilly pad.
The thief is clearly a girl but I swear they sometimes say "he" when the only possible target is the thief
>>749599478yeah i'm on that one now and still haven't found the solution yet no hints please. to be honest i found skipping stone puzzles additionally difficult due to the lack of confidence that they may be completed with or without timing. if there's timing involved, i may fidget around too long with a possibility or even worse, solve it with an unintended solution that requires brutal timing and reinforce the idea that the next puzzles may need it too
was this the intended way to solve this puzzle? feels a little wrong.reflected beams final level
good level that should have been way earlier.
>>749608789I liked it well enough, but I didn't get that far. I will come back to it sometime after I 100% Order of the Sinking Star.
>>749612024I actually just did this today at work. Yes, although I instead put the crystal and cart north of the island. This was I didn't have to worry about the timing.
>>749612024I think that's the right way.
>>749612337ah yea, that would have been better. i had to hold ctrl to just barely make it in time with my solution
>>749592528more like odour of the stinking starlol gottem
>>749592528>You Wont Last 5 Minutes Playing Order Of The Sinking Star!
>>749612480very true for most of /v/!
what now?
>>749612568Now you learn how the yellow beams actually work.
>>749612631crystals in the beam can break adjacent crystals even if you have multiple beams at different rows? i'm more annoyed by the maze,
>>749612568>>749612631Nevermind, I couldn't see the goal in the maze, otherwise it's super easy
>wizard x mirrorAiiiieeeeeee
>>749614732I dreaded the levels as soon as I opened them but they are not that bad actually. They could have really done some devlish shit with that combination
>>749614732I got filtered on the first gold crossover and just went elsewhere kek
Never got filtered by the first screen of one of these series puzzles. Any hint?
>>749615615Nevermind, literally second I posted this I realized the solution, even though I have been staring at it for 30 minutes, funny how that works
@blow resetting the game like 20 times in a row spamming R (I was doing it to observe a timing) seemed to make it chug more every reset until I crashed
>>749616152sent the fix :)
>>749615697Every time
>>749597462But the game is fun
>I cannot turn, the gemsuit is too bulky>turns 180 degrees
>>749612110stuck on this one right now goddamn
>>749617228>>749612110nevermind I literally just figured this out 2min after I postedposting on /v/ must unlock some secret brain technique
baba-is-you-esque
Aint real blow til fineman shows up.
dont play chud games made by chud devs who support putler and drumpf.
very cool level
i think i am too stupid to play this
>the priest can walk on waterI was half asleep and holding left, didn't expect thatGotta ACK myself for using slack spoiler tags initially like a niggerfaggot
>>749611565Yeah, I think this is a fair criticism of skipping stones and that I had similar concerns. I will say that now having spent more time with them, there is a certain "language" to the stones that makes their patterns recognizable.
The puzzles a fun and all but without a cool aesthetic or an intriguing story it doesn't pull you in long term the way The Witness did. Just ends up being a game that sits on your desktop and you play it like 30 minutes a day. Like solitaire or something
>>749614732>wizard x vertical mirrorkino
johnny is calling in every industry connection he has to shill this game. it's gonna start showing up in the 4chan ads.
>>749619296I like that he still uses his young photo.
>>749618989The Witness didnt have a story come on man
i dont get why theres one hard puzzle that makes you want to drop the game and then 10 super easy ones in a row
>>749619528That's exactly why I wanted to explore every bit of the world, to find little clues about the story that's barely there. Here you're overloaded with yapping and all it does is annoy you and distract you from the puzzling. Game gets way better once you mute that shit and turn the subs off. No clue what's happening anymore, and it's a lot comfier that way
>>749619616voice acting was too important, no time to QA puzzle progression
>>749616857beamcaster guy is really the lowest point of the game
>>749619616thats what drug dealers do.
>>749619863beamcaster is my favourite, I like when you have to get other characters or things to push him so he faces the right direction
>>749619019what the actual fuck is this bullshitand here I'm thinking music lady would be the hardest of the gimmicks
>>749619616Perpetually ramping up difficulty is tiring.
OFFICIAL HERO POWER RANKINGS>god tierThief>great tierPriestessWarriorBeam Guy>fine tierSailor>I can be your angle or ur devil tierBardWizard>who are you again? tierMirror GuyDruid
>>749619942beamcaster is outclassed by literally everybody else when other characters get to use his mechanics
32.7 hours for the first ending.
>>749620184what is your IQ? need to figure out how long I'll take
>>749601032lol that’s exactly where I’m stuck at the momentgood to know I’m equally as retarded as everyone else
Every 6 months or so I get an itch for puzzle games. Last time I played Patrick's Paradox and Talos. Im currently playing Lorelei and the Laser Eyes, should I try Order of the Sinking Star next, or I should try The Witness first?
>>749620184This reminds me I should actually go check if I can get the ending already, I've been puzzling left and right
>>749619658so there's not enough story because there's too much story and it gets in the way of good storytelling which is having no story at allYou dont even know what youre saying man, but I get it you just find OotSS annoying. It's personal preference, for me I like the dialog and wish there was more of it, because it just stops playing new lines after a certain point and they hardly come back. But you get no answers as to whats going on until the end so even if you hear the dialog you still don't know what is happening. Idk how you feel about the audio logs that you "find" I think the game would be better off without them and just learning everything from the character's perspective.>>749620184How many puzzles solved?
For what I've seen so far, some massive puzzles (the first of beamcasters took me more than 2 hours and that's without getting stuck a lot) count as one. Does this kind of big puzzles appear later in the game as well? If so, I can see myself easily playing this for months
>>749619019wtf
>>749619616I usually drop a puzzle game when it devolves into the nigger dev smoking crack and making each following puzzle require a progressively nastier mental illness to complete
>>749592528I like this game but this name is terrible. It doesn't have any punch and basically means nothing. Baba is You? Opus Magnum? Into the Breach? Now those are good puzzle game namesEven if you wanted something more artsy and verbose you could have at least gone with something less vague and generic like "Return of the Obra dinn"
>>749620043For me, it's the priestess
>>749620870I'm about to get the second ending and you get a few multi-screen puzzles, but I haven't seen any new levels like the larger initial beamcasters or skipping stones levels so far. A dozen out of 400 puzzles solved have been maybe a third of the size of those levels at most.
>>749620448You will love OotSS if you love Sokoban-likes, otherwise The Witness has broader appeal
>>749620043Bard became my favorite once I got used to how she moves
>>749619616Making the player feel good is important
>>749619658If you're complaining about voice work, you're really just self-reporting on how little progress you've made. Anyone that's played more than a couple hours knows that all of the VO and dialogue suddenly disappears after the tutorial.
>>749621115How many hours did these 400 puzzles take?I'm on 24 hours and 155 solved.
>>749592528saar heh
>>749621115Wait, theres multiple endings? And you xan finish the game with less than 50% of all the puzzles?
>>749621156Which one has the fastes gameplay loop? I can imagine a sokoban would be a non-brainer answer but since OofSS has a Zelda-like structure, Im not sure
>>749621071order of the sinking star is a badass name
>>749621071>>749621087gotta agree desu
>>749621459Part of the appeal of The Witness is wandering around the island looking for puzzles, so probably OotSS
>spooky skellies
>>749620870I've seen large vault beamcaster areas that I haven't played yet posted here so there must be>>749618989Personally I didn't like that myst vibe, the overworld for this one reminds me of the Zelda games on GBC which keeps me sucked in
>>749621850wtf
>>749619296>From the beginning, Blow wanted his next game to be much, much smaller than The Witness.Do they just not proof-read?
>>749621265I'm at 461 solved in 45 hours so about 10 puzzles per hour on average. But I'm also a pretty hardcore sokobanhead.>>749621351You can "finish" the game and see the credits at around 200-250 puzzles, you only need to do enough endcap hybrid puzzles to complete 4 out of the 6 golden squares.
this one was so fucking cool
I would appreciate a small hint for the last gem (the bottom one surrounded by water) since I'm out of ideas. Do I need to reset / get them in a different order? The only thing I've not touched is the pond to gemguy's left. But it just doesn't seem useful. The left-right patrolling thingy doesn't seem movable either.
>>749620043>>749621087Priestess is top tier. I don't get how anyone can rate the thief so highly when she's undiluted reddit
>>749620303I don't know if Mensa is trustworthy or not, but I took their free test last year.>>749620765>How many puzzles solved?I'm now 10 puzzles deep into the spoiler area, so 296 before doing the endgame. Unless endgame counts as puzzles as well.
>>749623037nevermind just writing it out seems to have done the trick
Finally, China.
>>749623285Always seemed pretty dumb to me that anyone would pay for an "I'm smart" test.
I clipped this for the laughs, but now I genuinely feel sick.
>>749623285Huh. I'm also around 300 and should be enabling my 4th antipodes thingy soon. Is that what it takes for first ending or whatever?
>>749623863Yes, you need to activate 4 out of 6 gold teleports. I haven't done the HxB and MxS ones yet.
>tfw brain switches off on any level with two or more mirrors
>>749623841stop
>>749623716Not that anon:Depends on the country. I think I paid $5 for mine, and it's the same shit as the online one really.I joined mensa hoping to escape the psyop bot network of the AI era into a nicer discussion platform, but turn out recognizing patterns doesn't save you from being mentally ill or having retarded political opinions that are vibes based, so the average chat over there is also dogshit, with maybe too many people trying to be funny. I'm trying to join the freemasons next but they never reply to my messages.
Okay guys what is the important thing that just happened to the gem suit guy?
>>749624120>I'm trying to join the freemasons next but they never reply to my messages.You need to know people IRL, which is also the reason why legitimate non-retard discussion about the world can occur there. A chicken and egg problem unless you're one of the generationally wealthy who get in via family recommendations. Anyway if you're not already a well to-do person who does all sorts of gay shit with your nice neat two and half kids family like church (whatever denomination but it's still mostly white people so there's some obvious targets to farm) dinners , sports club crap and other community shit, then good luck meeting anyone middle class who would recommend you.I did used to know a bricklayer who was a freemason but he was a handsome chap who ran a large business and visited wealthy people on site at their properties regularly so it was easy for him to make connections.
>>749592528Odor of the Stinking Saar
>>749622167No, that's accurate.
>>749625141I have some leads, I just haven't bothered pestering investigating deeper yet as the wagie life is going to keep me down for another 5 or 10 years.
>>749625754oh I see, you're rightthanks
>the way priestess's bow bounces when she dances for the bard
>>749626032very adorable
>>749626032I love all their little dances. I hate the bard but love the dances
Do I need to go to another part of the map to be able to reach the marked zone?I want to do all the HeroesxBeams before going to other places but it looks like I have to go to the HeroesxWater if I want to reach the Antipodes with that.
well this is just annoying
>>749628425I think you have to come up from below
>>749628665> Goblin Slayer cross promotion
>>749628665I like it because it's creative. There are no other puzzles like it.
I can't get over how much stuff there is, they really used every part of the buffalo.
>>749628425for the top two, you have to come in from the right
I didn't expect that the audiolog guy's namedrop would to be so impactful.
>>749629246Where does that happen? I thought I caught his name from the log in The Antipode, but I don't remember it impacting me (I can't even remember what it was).
>>749629342No, it's not the Antipode message. Don't worry about it for now.
>>749629394Sounds good, guess that was something else.
> Blow said that like The Witness, there are multiple levels to the game's puzzles, first with the basic Sokoban mechanics, followed by how they combine, with a final abstraction level that Blow did not reveal prior to release"a final abstraction level"has anyone reached this yet?
>>749597462Don't you transvestites ever get tired of campaigning against this game?>Ahhh! He's a chud who thinks it's wrong for faggots to suck dicks at gay pride parades in front of kids! Boycott it!>Uhh... actually, the game is woke! Look, this exotic girl is brown instead of blonde! Ahhh>No, seriously! The game is being pushed inorganically by saars! I swearGive it up, you fucker. The game was a success. Go do what one of those emasculated devs who created one of the games that inspired Jonathan Blow did and go donate money to "minority devs" or some gay shit like that, if you fags care so much
The reveal trailer stated that Order of the Sinking Star has more than 1000 puzzles; director Jonathan Blow has stated that the game has more than 1400 puzzles. Blow stated that the game can take up to 250 hours to complete at a normal pace, and more than 500 hours to solve all puzzles. However, the player need not complete all puzzles to reach the end of the game's story
>wizard clothes in the mirrors areaoh no
>>749629536you, the player, will ultimately move screens around the world to reach the final 26 hour audio log
need fanart of the Thief attempting to drag the Priestess but accidentally pulling her robe off
>>749629536It's either verticality or something I haven't reached yet.
>>749629592it could have been a lot worse feel like they went easy on us
>>749629536I've seen some screenshots of some bizarre looking and absurd levels, so probably some of that kind of thing.
I can't solve this yet can I? I'm trying to get to the giant golden star right above this. Finished initial Heroes and Mirror campaign
>>749630143You very well can solve this.
>>749630245I'm a dumbass I literally realized the solution just as I posted. Didn't realize the little green square spawned somehow
>>749630349I think I had the same problem back in the demo, some psychosis where I felt I couldn't move across the barrier.
>>749630349>>749630495I only realised the green square was there then thinking that there would be no other fucking way to do the puzzle without it
>>749619019>verticality
>>749630349>Didn't realize the little green square spawned somehowIt didn't spawn, it was always there. The theme of these golden tile puzzles is that you can finish one campaign solve 1 half of it, then finish another campaign and solve the other half.
>>749619442As he should. Whenever any celebrity dies, their Wikipedia article always gets changed to a photo of them when they were young, so why not use a photo of yourself in your prime all your life?
>>749620043Rank the boatAlso who the hell is Druid? Crystal guy?
>>749594362It's never bad advice these days
>>749631419i like the boat, his voice sounded like it would get grating at first but hes actually kino>Also who the hell is Druid? Crystal guy?ye
>>749619296>500 hoursI'm 300 puzzles in and it's taken me ~30 hours. Are the later puzzles total bullshit or is he basing it on midwit times?
>>749631419Druid just doesn't look or feel like a druid to me. I would've called him Alchemist, or maybe Scholar
>>749631989His estimate for completing the demo was 100 hours, so he's a little off base.
Why is Skipping Stone's "tutorial" so ball-busting? I'm not even half-way through the first stage and already lost all interest.
>>749631989I'm estimating it will take about 200 hours to 100%. You got to 300 puzzles like twice as fast as me though, maybe you're just really good at puzzles
>>749632189> His estimate for completing the demo was 100 hoursAh, okay then, was scared for a moment. I think the demo took me 7 to 10 hours.
>>749632320that's the original puzzlescript game, it was just really hard
>>749619019oh fuck, is this post-antipodes?
>>749632473Yes.
>>749632473yes
>>749632320It's not really a tutorial, it's the original puzzlescript skipping stones game. I think Blow was very set on the original game being the first experience in each world, but unfortunately, skipping stones is pretty brutal. The levels after that are all original designs and feel much smoother.
>>749632189His estimate for the demo was 50 hours, because it has ~100 puzzles while the entire game has ~1000.
>>749632561>>749632368is there a way to track how many puzzles you've completed?
>couldn't solve a puzzle because it was multiple screens away from the missing link that was already used for another puzzle that's also multiple screens awayi'm looking at you, gold ball
>>749632680"load campaign" menu shows puzzle count
>>749599260>>749620327How the fook do I solve it then? Stuck there too
This game would've worked way better as a PSP/DS title
>>749632954it's on Switch 2
>>749620765i did all puzzles i could find before the first? endgame and am on 318 though with a couple afterwards, just started MxB
>>749633028Bulky and not suited for portable gaming
>>749632368Well, I played the demo so despite replaying the levels I had some advantage on ~115 puzzles. And also it's more like 34 hs now that I actually check.>>749632451Two treasures there are probably one of the only things I ended up googling, the level itself is okay if a bit hard for a tutorial, but the treasures are brutal. Skipping stones in general are the hardest puzzles imo because of the timing component and lilypads.
>>749633136This game needs a pretty large screen to see what's going on in some of the puzzles
where in the fuck do i even begin here
>>749632859Well, you need a crystal past the goblin to get the wizard to the goal there, and also the wizard needs to swap with the alchemist to get him past the other goblin. You should be able to figure it out
>99 puzzles solved>10hrsam I a brainlet?
this is more fun than individual levels
im surprised people is having so much trouble with skipping stones im wondering if its people who didnt play the demo so this is one of their first puzzles
>>749634226I'm at 15 hours 70 puzzles. we're both brainlets
too much playspace, i'm out
>>749634804The timing component and positioning component is just kinda bullshit. Most puzzles are "get from point A to point B" and figure out intermediate steps in a sort of static world with a few components you can move one at a time.Skipping stones is "well if you see the allowed stone throwing positions and lilypad is moving horizontally you can time a looparound rock that will hit another floating lilipad at the right time to make a platform to put a mirror on so the rock going away can be reflected back at the perfect angle to hit Jonathan Blow right in the face"There are some good ones but they are the ones that stump me the most.
>>749634993this one isn't even that bad
>>749632954They wouldn't make any money releasing the game on retro consoles.
>>749635101I like them. The timing really isn't a problem because you can slow down time, and different levels have different speeds for skipping stones, lily pads, and carts. If something seems hard to pull off, then you are probably doing something wrong and it won't work anyway.
>30 big ones
>>749634993It looks big but you're actually quite limited in what you can do.
has anyone been keeping track of who everyone is? names keep getting dropped but i've forgotten every single last one by now with the exception of quigley. and even then quigley may not be the same person as the character you're controlling
>>749635304I'm not saying the timing bit is difficult, I'm saying thinking of a static world is easier than thinking of the same world along a time axis that has multiplied your possible states.
>>749635561Quigley is definitely not the character you're controlling, and I wonder how you came to even consider that
>>749635561valens warriortif thiefisidore (izzy) wizardbardclericdruidjanaila skipper of stonesborraidus her talking boat she has a psychic link with??? second skipper of stonesveddy second skipper's talking boatgem manmerchant mirror manquigley narrator's confidant/secretarythe queen (nameless)
>>749635690>tif thief
why are the hero levels so comfy and everything else might as well be programming
>>749636029im sure its short for tiffany which is an unusual name for a thief
>>749635690also add "parsons" to the list. just another random name dropped in the audio log. there was also another name the main character shouted out at the beginning of the game i think.
>>749636029And Izzy the wizard...It does fit the character = gameplay feature approach
>>749636090the queen shouts at the beginning of the game for her retainers and such before giving up on the idea. just before she was beamed to the world she seemed to be planning to go to war with a country and of course tables that.
>>749635690Don't forget the narrator himself - genuine spoiler, play the game, the reveal is worth it.
I really, really like The Witness but I am shit at puzzle games. I feel like this will be too challenging for me. What are some other great puzzle games I should play first to ease me into the genre/this game's challenge?
>>749636069Everything is better with fantasy rpg elements
>>749634993im stuck on that shit too
>>749635653The first voice log is addressed to quigley and I'm going to assume this anon simply assumed it was meant for him.
>Order of the Stinking Sar
>>749635653i'm guessing the main character the queen? i was actually having audio issues at the very beginning of the game so i couldn't really understand what was going on. i should replay it since it seems important
>>749635690theres also the guy who is trapping the heroes but i dont think that gets anywhere because the story just stops existing
>>749635690I swear to god there was a stones x beams level where you play as the second skipper but it used janaila's voice. Oversight, or deepest lore?
>>749636391the magistrate and his hapless son
am i fucking softlocked here
>>749636391Oh yeah, there's like a massive monologue here about how some woman appeared outside his window and coerced him into this plot. That was like 20 hours ago so I completely forgot; I wonder whether that thread will be picked up after the first ending.
>>749636529no, you can always turn the beams around from somewhere else.
>>749636529I forgot how I solved it but I also had trouble with that one gem.
>>749636587He seemed to have been recruited to build puzzles for the players of the game
>>749636587this shit was so crazy. I spent like 20 hours not hearing a word from any of the heroes and just doing stone and mirror shit and then walked back into the heroes area and saw a level I missed and bam a sudden 30 minute monologue by literally who about literally what then Im doing this final boss looking puzzle then I finish it and nothing happens.
>>749636529I think that one is designed to not be softlockable. I've only seen one multi screen gems puzzle that could be fucked up, and it had only like 5 gems.
It's so over
>>749636950The dialogues really at the same time add a lot of personality and charm to the game and feels completely disjointed. Part of it is probably Blow couldn't guarantee you'd do most things a certain order, and budget, but still.
>>749636982this guy is apparently a puzzle game masochist and doesn't think this game is hard compared to the greats of the genre so that might inform this score
>>749637024I think the problem is more with coverage and consistency. When the dialogue is so frontloaded, it sets expectations and makes the silent 90% of the game feel really fucking weird.
>>749637024I've had the feeling since Braid that Blow thinks he's too cool and different to have a coherent story in his games. OotSS comes by far the closest to having one, and it's a bit disappointing to me it's not as prominent as it seems at the start.On the other hand, his games are gameplay first, which is respectable
>>749631989300 in 30 hours is insane. I just beat the game with 300 and change solved at 65 hours
>>749637085> 800 puzzles inHow in the fuck
>>749637085performative reviewsausage roll wasnt that crazy hard
>>749637024Yea I agree. I really do like the dialog its just like wOaAh when it suddenly appears again>>749636982he looks like a faggot
>>749637085>not on XboxBased as fuck.
>>749637305he had an advanced review copy since he's a smaller influencer.
>>749636982Buy an ad
>>749637305Coke and Red Bull.
>>749636982>>749637085Where I am with 240 solved at 24 hours, I sort of agree with his score. I'd give it a 7/10, but on 5 point scale it's more of a 3 than a 4.There are some good puzzles, and good twists on the sokoban formula, but it's just more sokoban. Nothing really novel there.There are a lot of puzzles, which is good for content and value/$, but it can also bloat the experience.Graphics and presentation is better than budget indie games, but it doesn't match the atmosphere of something like Obra Dinn, and the story is pretty whatever.All in all, a fairly average but enjoyable experience so far. Maybe the end game stuff blows me away, but based on my experience with the Witness, I think it'll just be more of the same.
>>749634226im 60 hours in with 60 puzzles complete. I think im doing pretty good
>hit ANOTHER peak of over 8000 (!) concurrent players>nearing 2k reviews on Steam at 97% positiveSTOP THE COUNT! NOOOO HE CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO WIN!
>>749635690I just beat the game, and have 329 solved. There is a puzzle where a random caver appears and is voiced by a different guy. In the credits he's "Caver's cousin" lol. I think they went really ambitious with the story but ran out of money and time
>>749637863I know she's unvoiced, but does the 2nd cleric have a name?
>>749637663I don't understand your viewpoint. Why would a sokoban game need something else than sokoban puzzles? I think elements outside of that would likely be just surface level gimmicks
>>749636982>>749637085Crawford is a fairly serious commentator and appraiser of these kinds of games, not to be dismissed lightly, but does suffer from a degree of audience capture, I believeHowever, I haven't found that review and I can't imagine what his justification for a mediocre score would be, other than that none of the mechanics are truly meta (Baba is You) or offer atypical transformations of game objects (Stephen's Sausage Roll, Squishcraft). But the game explores so many interesting epiphenomenological properties of its rules that like, who cares
>>749637924No, when its listing the characters in the credits it just says "The priestess has chosen a vow of silence".
>>749637963>the game explores so many interesting epiphenomenological properties of its rulesJon would get an orgasm if someone said this to him in person
>>749637924>>749638042>he didn't get the super secret 100% completion ending where the priestess looks into camera and says "good job"
>>749638125I've occasionally praised details of the game in older screenshots and stuff he's posted and his responses have ranged from a bit dismissive to nothing at all, so I would imagine not. At the end of the day I'm not here to suck up to him though, the game speaks entirely for itself
>>749637954There's nothing wrong with sokoban games, but it doesn't do anything for me that would elevate the score, like Baba did.
>>749638371I feel the opposite. Baba is impressive at first, but just the concept cannot hide weak puzzle designs by the end. OotSS gets more out of much cleaner gameplay
i am not a smart man
>>749638560>but just the concept cannot hide weak puzzle designs by the endNot him but I feel the same way, Baba's legacy has ultimately been slightly weakened in my mind because of the Scribblenauts-like nature of its solutions. It's still one of the best sokoban concepts and contributions to the genre, just not the purest in its designI nevertheless hold Hempuli in very high esteem for his design skills overall
>>749638560Maybe I change my mind as I go through the later puzzles. But I don't really care for the mirror isles and am ambivalent on the skipping stones, which puts a damper on things. Maybe I should do the MxS puzzles now instead of leaving them for the end,
I just don't want to play Beamcasters guys. Heroes is kinda a mixed bag for me too.
>>749638664you are closeish to the right answerESA is the better hempuli game. baba is just ok
>>749638812Weird, beamguy and heroes are my favorite levels. Heroes when I feel like adventuring and beamguy when I feel like dungeon crawling
>>749638862For me, it is mirrors and stones.
seriously what the fuck ive been stuck on this for one hour already
>>749638918You're coming at it the wrong way. Try a different approach.
>>749638918theres only one way in there going by the formation of those rocks matey
>>749638918That was pure hell for me too here's a hint/advice you can softlock yourself if you move a beam too early
>>749638918post the full level so it's obvious to everyone else why you're stupid
what if the only way to solve a puzzle was to get fucked in the ass for one hour? would you still do it or stop playing
>>749638371I agree Baba does something more interesting, but I got tired of Baba after 3 hours and never finished it while I've been snorting Sinking Stars like crack.I wouldn't give this game a 10/10 because I generally need more narrative bullshit for that, but as far as pure puzzle games go, it's top tier.
>>749639401the stephen's sausage roll thread is over there
>>749639401if i love the man doing it its ok
>>749639716you need to reset
>>749618218just spent about an hour on this one myself, probably my favourite level so far.
>>749639807whyif its a softlock i am ragequitting
>>749639807No, it should be solvable in this state.
>>749639716destroy thistorc the yellow beam left and the purple beam right
>>749639980ah fuck me i figured it was that but i kept trying to approach from elsewhere wasnt seeing the purple fucker thx
some of the best puzzles i've played in the game so far here
so the naive solution here is a total failure cuz it kills the goblin and cleric and valens. but it seems like the goblin should go where i put him. i dont know where else to put himneed a hint
>>749640889you should try more stuff out. you definitely have the right idea by noticing the protrusion
>>749641009does the goblin go there or not
>>749641043yep
i just threw up in my mouth a little bit
>>749641114this one is a teaser, there are some more advanced devices you have to construct in other levels
>>749632320its called skipping stones to break your balls for a reason
>>749641078no wait i lied lol, you are close though
>>749634226>>749634859that counter is retarded and blow told as much but people still look at it as some progression measureif you start with heroes/mirrors you can bang out a puzzle solved count ever 5 minutesif you go to skipping stones and beamcasters you will be getting maybe a solve every half an hour
What do you think the average IQ in this thread is?
>>749641572100
>>749641572140
>>749641771mine is one off that
>>749641572its 120
>>749641572Sinking, I can feel myself getting dumber from solving skipping stones puzzles.
>>749624916Guise? I don't care for this type of puzzle. Spoil away
>>74964183240?
>>749642271sorry, 2 off
>Blow returned with Order of the Sinking Star, which is, by any meaningful metric, the biggest puzzle game ever created.
game looks like a limited time genshin event you do for 560 primogems
>>749644046What an auteur
Why is the voice acting for this indie block pushing game better than the voice acting for lots of AAA big publisher big dev big name shit? Huh?
I always get stuck on the most random puzzles, but surely the answer will come to me in my dreams tonight as they always do
>>749646838This one took me a while because I was fixated on a wrong solution
>>749641114>>749641197I'm pleased to announce that after 2 hours of silent contemplation, I now understand that my goal is to construct some machine on the southwestern island that allows me to press the button after two swaps, and only after two swaps. I solemnly vow never to push the mirror and blocks onto the pier ever again.
>>749646838i liked this one, the solution is very elegant
>>749647043and solved, it's amazing what can happen once you understand the problem
>>749647216Wait until you get to the green line with purple alternations level. You're gonna have fun with that one
>>749644046this is the goal tile for the rock right
>>749647535Yes.
>>749647535Yep, its a simple level
what do these words/this word mean on my save file? is it the same on everyone's?>>749617228same
>10hrs in thinking I'm making pretty good process>mfw I don't recognize a single puzzle posted in this thread
>>749647863thats the level your autosave is on. levels are only known by their internal names and only normally viewable in the load a campaign screen.
>>749647863it's probably the level name string the game references so it knows what map to load on start
>>749647921Its a 500h game after all
>>749647863>>749647949>>749647967It's not the level name, it's a random file name so you can locate the specific save data on your machine. Blow added this because he has like 500 save files from development, it's not particularly useful to the end-user.
im really impressed how many different ideas they came up with for torc + heroes
>>749648260by torc i mean the rod
>>749648106>all of that instead of just allowing arbitrary save names by the user puzzle design brain
I just started and the mirror with a big rock before a peninsula is filtering meThere's some trick to moving the gem so you can get it back to the vertical middle of the peninsula, right? this is north east of the duplicate/recombine tutorial thing
I can't figure out how to kill these goblins. I think I figured out most of it and I can get wizard onto bottom right but I can't figure out how to kill the goblins
>>749648340wait nevermind I'm retarded
>>749647357That was fun. I solved green pretty quickly, then spent a long time thrashing before I realized the exact same machine would work for purple.
>>749648437you're gonna need a triple kill along the edge on the left side.
>>749648437i remember doing this level but forgetting how from the picture. have you tried using the mirror?
> Wizard - gems small levels> First one has 2 gem spots> Next one is the same exact level but without the gem spotHow the fuck
played for a long time today, i hope that solutions to all the puzzles i'm stuck on come to me in a dream. don't disappoint me, brain
>>749648920that one reminded me of baba is you
>>749648705thanks anon I totally would've figured it out
>>749649081a huge number of the puzzles later in the layer 1 midgame game honestly require me to take a break and think about what the fuck the angle of approach even is, so don't sweat it.
>>749648920you have to experiment there because it might not be intuitive
>>749649076lol, it really does
Well ain't this some checkerboard bullshit. I'm gonna have to queue up two x4 kills, aren't I?
>>749649338correct. diagonals are key there.
>>749648920that level made me smile
Story seems to pick up in the post ending 1, but it could just be frontloaded again kek
>>749649573is ending 1 antipode?do i need every area's teleporter up?
>don't even know how to start solving itthe worst feeling
>>749649620you need 4, but I didn't know so I did 5 and most of a 6th. I'll be honest, until an anon told me to go back to the platforms last night I probably would have done even more lol. I didn't see it mentioned a "teleporter" on the steam achievement
>>749649573ngl I was actually enjoying the story prior to ending 1, but w/e this game is 99% puzzling
it is tremendously easier to visualize the answers for heroes and light/heroes and artifacts than it is the skipping stone shit. i dont know why there's such a gigagap between these concepts for me.
>>749650796I think it's because for those puzzles you can work backwards, but with skipping stones it's usually "get over there somehow" and you aren't sure which tile you land on
For some reason I find water and mirrors harder than beamcasters>>749646838This was a really good puzzle in hindsight, I didn't think ahead and got stuck at the last part, a certain idea will definitely come to you if you give it time
>>749649365Once I understood what you meant this became trivial, thanks for the tip.
It's weird I put a good 10 hours in so far and only found 1 of the crossover puzzles (mirror + wizard). I assume they're going to pick up soon though since I'm at a dead end in 3 of 4 games
>>749651025you're about to do only crossover puzzles for 20 hours coming real soon
>>749650796stones requires you to work backwards.You usually know the goal, so you have trace the possible paths and then how those paths are possible, and then how you even set them up.If Jon wasn't so attached to pointless homages with original designs, stones easily could have been the best section with refinements and proper difficulty progression
>>749651128you think stones doesn't have proper difficulty progression? i thought the very first level of stones being much more esoteric than any of the other initial campaigns set the tone just right. i might have immense trouble with it most times but certainly i thought it was signposted well that it was going to be immense trouble.
why was "the promise" renamed to "vault of the beamcasters" within months of release?
phew. I just beat the game in its entirety and saw the *real* ending. I wont spoil anything but chewbacca dies and palpatine returns
>>749618218that one took me ages. finished it this afternoon. really satisfying once the insight clicks that you can maneuver the priest through the intersections, and then redo the whole fire path sequentially from the end
>>749651187>you think stones doesn't have proper difficulty progression?absolutely not, and it doesn't teach anything either.> i thought the very first level of stones being much more esoteric than any of the other initial campaigns set the tone just rightThis is a core issue with puzzle games, veterans see obscurity and ill-defined domains as a meta-puzzle to solve. And designers like Jon think "just experiment bro" is akin to "invisible tutorials". But games need to define their domains, especially ones as intensely arbitrary as puzzle games.
>>749592528Is it just me, or does Jon Blow have a very obvious fetish for brown women?
>>749651260The official messaging is that it was the only campaign with a name that didn't feature its primary mechanic. Whether that's a cover story or not, one can only speculate.
>>749651339You should be fair here, the rest of the game AND everything after Skipping Stones 1 does exhibit a "gentle hand" design philosophy that coaxes the player into discovering whatever tools they need. Skipping Stones 1 is the exception here, with the player tossed right into the deep end.
>>749651549>the rest of the game AND everything after Skipping Stones 1 does exhibit a "gentle hand"Of course, Heroes is great for this, and you can tell it got the most attention and care. I just wish the other sections weren't so disjoint in comparison.
things that impress me about this game so far as a genre veteran>has puzzles that take a long time to execute, but it's not annoying because you know the solution is going to work once you see it and there's enough wiggle room that you won't get cucked by an errant block placement 30 turns ago>is capable of introducing a new mechanic without the next 20 puzzles being an exhaustive shopping list of every possible interaction with every previous mechanic that also progressively throws in more tedious vanilla sokobon elements>level layouts provide a sense of atmosphere and sometimes tell a little story>big 12+ screen puzzles can't be softlocked unless you go full retard
>>749592528marvelslop tranny game
i do not see how to free the crystal and be able to recover the green beam to push the goblin into the wall at the same time
>>749634993stuck on the same one
>>749595802Right? All that time making a new language and a fast compiler…and releases a fucking puzzle game.
>>749652396its cuz i needed to preempt the edges of the exit room silly me
This feels like some Spec Ops: The Line type shit. I'm not a bad guy!
>>749648437This was legit the hardest puzzle in the demo, imo but the solution is kinda obvious
>>749651840Yeah the soft lock prevention has been nice. I sometimes find myself admiring the level design when it prevents it. I have only soft locked myself twice after getting a checkpoint, and the undo system and the fact you can undo through a reset makes it really easy to go back
B L O W W A V E
>>749651549Honestly, in hindsight, stones 1 is a tutorial of sorts. Everything you do in it is is elaborated on tenfold, so much so that when you go back to play it you are a bit mindblown at the struggle you once had. Other anon said "just expierement bro" is not akin to progression, but with how much more tricky things they through at you in other stones levels, it kinda needs to throw people in the deep end to truly internalize how the stones work. At least thats my take.
>>749652948You can hate some of his opinions but you cannot hate the man
>>749637306It is. I would have gotten further into it if it wasn't. I think I only did 7 puzzles.
I'm only 10-ish hours in and it's harder and more frustrating than SSR for me, idk what the people saying it's accessible for nomies are smoking
The promise levels are so god damn based. You start off completely lost just searching for any vulnerable gems, and by the end you feel like a master of the grid. I just did one in the post game and on a dopamine high.
Priestess getting cooked alive for the past 15 minutes while wizard ponders the situation.
>>749653241>post game
>>749653240What are you struggling with specifically? To be honest I think its more accessible because its not that tight of a sokoban and more about problem solving/expierementing. I haven't even played SSR but from what I seen, at least early on, its just a pure sokoban. To make an analogy, figuring out the specific steps on how to maneuver the peg so it fits the hole stresses me way more than in Order where its more about finding the right peg and hole and the execution is easy.
>>749653309I think this cleric gimmick has to be the best in the entire game. Some puzzles I was struggling with, but when you figure it out and you are pushing or pulling her to the win its very satisfying
>>749653309I did this level 2 days ago, and I am looking at it now pretty stumped
>>749653426I did heroes 1 2 3 and at some point I didn't see a way to progress in the overworld so I went eastdid mirrors 1 2 3 and then same issue no overworld progress that I could see, went southgot filtered by the very first level lol, if that's supposed to be a tutorial it went over my head, I'll go back later, went westdid beam 1 2 then overworld opens up, have at least 3 puzzles I can do but feel filtered by all 3 right nowand in many levels there are mechanics I just find tedious, annoying, frustrating rather than fun or cleveralso I find it's often somewhat messy instead of truly eleganthaven't seen any crossover yetit's 6/10 by sokoban standards so far whereas SSR became an instant favorite
as someone who doesnt own the game its kinda odd to read people going "I didnt understood a mechanic but now I do and it was mildly satisfying to solve a puzzle"
>>749653635Just worked it out myself and I've already forgotten it, truly the most sokoban level of them all.
>>749654098is it cleric is on the small island and wizard is in the air next to her being shot at by dragon then he swaps with dragon? i also forget how to set that up tho
>>749654010we just having fun and sharing company of other fun havers. Sometimes ask for hint
>>749654154Yeah, that's it. You set the dragon one tile to the left of the small island so the cleric can run to it, let the wizard swap on, then run back into place.
this level kinda sucks. right off the bat you see the reflection in the mirror so you use that to teleport to the middle area. it wasn't until i found out the measurements were impossible that i realized there was actually another passage i could use
>>749654567Me using my 200 IQ to formally mathematically prove a level is impossible (I just didn't notice a pathway)
What do the colours of the level stars mean? Green, pink, orange
>>749654764orange > green > pink
>>749654817It's supposed to be a difficulty scale? I think there is also white ones
Do the skipping stones treasures do anything? I don't really want to go get them...
I am once again, asking for your help.I have stared at this fucking gemstone for an amount of time that I will be taking to my grave out of shame.Please send help.
>>749654924Use this mirror to get it.
>>749654924Like all gems, look at what aligns on the x and y axis of where you want to get to (square below the gem) and go from there. I can be more specific if you want
>>749655119Nevermind other Anon spelled it out haha. I think this was my last gem I got too and had a eureka moment when I noticed I hadn't really used that mirror for anything
>>749592528>>749593491Why did they decide to advertise this game with the sensibilities of a late 2000s Korean MMO?
>>749655030>>749655119I've tried that every which way i can think of as it's the only object at all aligned with the goal. Is there a way to activate the mirror at a distance? I considered duplicating myself but couldn't find a place to do so.
>>749655247>Is there a way to activate the mirror at a distanceyou activate it while standing within the same 6x6 square it's located in
>>749655247>Is there a way to activate the mirror at a distance?You can try. The mirrors work from anywhere in the square they are in as long as they are aligned with you. Also the levels loop too remember.
>>749654567I solved it by making a ton of duplicates of the stone and building a bridge, with the help of a clone. Didnt touch that bait lilypad
>>749655328>>749655406I cant believe it was so simple. (It always is, i love this game) Up and down that level for an hour and never once walked to the one square that solves it automagically.Thanks anons for the hints
i think this contradiction needs to be addressed. are you playing the game by asking others to do it for you? isn't wracking your brain part of the fun of puzzles? or are you happy just completing the puzzle no matter the method?
>>749656070>wrackingthis is what happens when i try to use unfamiliar vocabulary
>>749656070some people don't adhere to the typical purity of solving things completely blind to have it be valid. They have self-defined rules where vague hints or guidance is fine, and some just think the effort alone is enough even if they got backpacked through it.(I am a purity believer though, hints tend to stifle your brain in coming up with new avenues of thinking.)
>>749656109It's not strictly wrong. Racking is straining (it comes from tying people to "the rack" and pulling them apart to torture/kill them) and wrack is a sailing term for getting damaged or tossed around. So if you're going insane trying to figure something out either spelling works.
>>749656070played 14 hours so far, only found one thing I would consider bullshit and worth spoiling
>>749656070who gives a shit
>>749653240>it's harder than SSR for meThere's no way, have you forgotten how extreme SSR's difficulty curve is in the first zone
>>749656070If it's a puzzle in a non-puzzle game I'll cheat, ain't got time for that shit. But in a puzzle game nah
I remember a while back Blow was talking about how some levels will have multiple exits, has anyone encountered that?
>>749656294it's just coincidence that they're somewhat similar in meaning. contextually, i meant to express the former rather than the latter>>749656525i'll probably make people even angrier by asking this, but what is the point of people stating their number of puzzles completed and hours passed if they also relied on hints? each hint is potentially hours saved, maybe days or perhaps wouldn't be completed at all if not for it. if it were other genres i would agree, but this is the puzzle game where integrity somewhat matters
>>749656710I guess skipping stones 1? otherwise idk, no
>>749656791>what is the point of people stating their number of puzzles completed and hours passedI can help you out with that: it is pointless.
>>749656791I haven't asked for any hints, but I've tried to help a few people who asked. I think it's okay and can make the game more fun for some people who would otherwise get stuck and give up on the game, but in principle I agree with you.
I stopped playing Baba when I got to the meta world puzzles that needed you to go inside a puzzle to solve puzzles in the outside world area and you could brick yourself easily, I think it was a couple dozen puzzles after Crushers, almost beat it.Should I play this game?
>>749657123Sure, it's not super hard to make it to the credits and you'll probably have fun for dozens of hours even if you get bored in the late game. You don't get blocked in the overworld much in this game because of optional puzzles and the way the levels are laid out
>hear people talking about how much of the game they did in X hours>always leave my game running in another workspace>now if anyone saw my time played they would think I'm retarded compared to my progress
shieet nigga ion get it
>>749637963>epiphenomenological properties of its rulesThis is your brain on Jon Blow.
scratch that i get it now crazy how that happens instantly after you humiliate yourself by posting
>>749658015think about what the end goal requires and what that means
>>749658313it's probably just the fact that you stopped looking at it for a minute rather than your humiliation
I'm having a great timeUnexpected sleeper hit, I don't pay attention to gaming mediaJblow still got it
>>749655751The solution to that gem was absolutely fucking insane. To think there was no trick at all, and all you had to do was stand in the most unassuming little corner of the level you'd never otherwise bother to go to really blew my mind. One of the greatest examples of hiding in plain sight I've ever seen.Also I don't know who designed that level but it was one of the best in the game so far. You feel utterly cornered and unable to do anything at so many points, and yet you can just eke out a maneuver by the skin of your teeth.
why don't the heroes know what fcking water iswhat did blowie mean by that..
Bro tier list (I've only done N and E, screwed around in S and W for a bit)>Blue Wizard>Red Warrior>Orange Merchant>Gray Druid>Purple Bard>Yellow Priest>Green Thief
>>749659068the heroes live in a world where sam altman already drained the lakes
106 solved and already burning out
>>749659102I really like all the small directional push/pull animations
>>749659326the bard is pink, the queen (overworld) is purple>>749659068also come to think of it, why can't the sailors swim...
>>749659532>also come to think of it, why can't the sailors swim...Historically, many couldn't. You didn't need to swim, you were on the boat
how do you deal with autism part of brain that gets stuck on an assumption and just keeps trying to brute force this idea and becomes blind to other possibilities
>>749659639Restart the level and say "What is this level asking me to do?"For example there was hero+mirror level that involved red and druid, with a bunch of cages, and I didn't see a fucking rock I could push, so you know what I did? I cloned the druid and turned him into crystal and made a bridge out of his clones. Didn't work but was still cool to figure out. Then I realized I only had to move the rock I couldn't see
>>749659639Give up and try another level and come back to it later, this game is very friendly to this approach
>>749659639i restart and try any option besides my default one, even if it's a (supposed) dead end. It's like revealing a self-inflicted fog of war
why would anyone ask for help with a puzzle? In my experience, you just feel bad about being an idiot and depriving yourself of the chance to figure it out. Its like fapping.
>>749660047Well doing it with your own hand feel worse than having someone jerk you off
I'm not asking for help but shit like this is so finnicky and I basically hate the bard
5 out of 6 skipping stones treasures
>>749661347I solved it but I can't even help you. I tend to solve these kinds of levels by dancing back and forth shaking her tits until eventually it works out.
>4 directions>there are 6 pairs of combinationsIt's a fucking cube isn't it
>>749639865The way you kill the dragon is kinda bs
>>749661347Its big amount of really small puzzles, you can figure them out just by fucking around
Was I supposed to use both mirrors in this one?
>>749619616>i dont get why theres one hard puzzle that makes you want to drop the game and then 10 super easy ones in a rowThe easy ones generally teach you fundamentals that allow the difficult ones to be difficult without being abhorrently stupid.
>>749662493nta, but even within a puzzle chain, sometimes there's like>tutorial>tutorial>what the fuck is this bullshit>not quite tutorial but still pretty easy
>>749629592wtf?that was easy as fuck
>1000 levels for 30 dollarydoosThis is a steal
Am I just retarded or Skipping Stones is way harder than the other areas?
>>749662923>Am I just retarded or Skipping Stones is way harder than the other areas?It's pretty difficult.
>>749662923It basically has no intro level to ease you into it
i like puzzleslop, might give this piece of shit a try and ask you what I will have thought about it
>>749662923Yeah, the way you move pieces is just not intuitive so it makes it harder, and the end goal of the stage is not always clear
Is this actually an easy puzzle? I did most of the mirror islands already but for some reason I feel retarded
>>749663179>>749663035>>749663097At least it seems that as you advance, the stages start to get easier and the objective more clear.
>>749663191bro im stuck on this shit right now toowtf is this puzzle
>>749663226>>749663179I have to redo the first level because I missed an orbPlus there was a lot of cloudy spot I missedIt feels like its not intuitive which spots you have to break out of
>>749663191This one is easyYou just have to place the mirror far away as possible from the rock horizontallyThe next level, on the other hand, had me stuck for hours.
>>749663191>Is this actually an easy puzzle?yes
>>749592528this looks like a mobile gamenortubel has better art direction
>>749663278>>749663271Oh okay I got it, I thought it was something like that, I thought I had to buffer the spacing somehow but I just couldn't piece it togetherIt's also almost 6 am
>>749663191For mirrors, it really helps to think in diagonals.
>>749636587Could it be the same seer who sent Mirror Man on his quest?
Fuck! I thought I had it.
>>749663527Wait, never mind inspiration hit.
cool level
I need a hint for this overworld puzzle, how do I put the monster on the button? I need to be able to push him once more left to be done, but I can't seem to get into position.
>>749664329You unlocked that space, you'll need it to move him to the right spot
>>749664329There are almost no red herrings in the game. Anything that seemed important is important.
>>749661347i did it twice in demo and retail and still do not remember the solutions, but you definitely need to line up the gem by moving it through water to your left
oh what the fuck and this is the first level? fuck me
>>749664670
>>749664670have fun anon!
>>749664384>>749664435alright I'm retarded and blanking on this one, give it to me straight
>>749664787fine
>>749664852thanks, I'm retarded yes (but not as much at literally any skipping stones level)
its like head over heels!
>>749664038There is some mathematical beauty here but I can't be assed to think about it
Any hints on this one?
i usually don't care about achievements but do i really need to play the entire 100 puzzles from the demo again to get cheevos? fix your shit jon!
>>749666175shouldnt be an issue anymore
>>7496627701400+
Sometimes my first idea is what works and the puzzle takes 10 seconds. Other times my second idea is what works and the puzzle takes me 20 minutes
>>749666008Not really a hint, but try thinking about what are your options to get someone to the final exit at the bottom, a bridge is impossible it seems
Does the difficulty level increase in the post/late game or it's always easy/medium?
>North is fun as fuck>West is fun as fuck>East is kinda brain melting especially in the diagonals>South is hell on earth ESPECIALLY on the diagonals with eastCHANGE MY MIND
>>749667219I'm only about 15-20 levels into the post game stuff and it the same difficulty because it introduces new stuff and ramps up similarly to when it introduces new stuff in base game.
I'm a little upset. if you sprint you fall in the water, if you walk you make it. this cost me like 30 minutes
>>749667769That seems like a bug
>>749667769thats a bug
>>749667769It truly is amazing that Blow refuses to use state machines for an elaborate puzzle game, and manually juggles bitmask flags and if else jungles
>>749667947brainlet programming take, they're logically equivalentwhat makes the game so complex is he decided to mix all the game together so the real-time stuff from stones and the promise has to work with the complicated transactional mechanics of regular sokoban games
>>749668072I have to assume anon meant atomic state switches which you're saying don't exist?
>>749667769oh thats how you solve that, i did the same thing ffs
>>749668116"state machines" are when you create classes to represent states with enter and exit functions
>>749668072>they're logically equivalentThey're quite literally not.State machines are automatic resolving while he manually manages everything.
>>749652485>>749634993solved after a night's sleep. was trying some galaxy-brained scheme w the first stone which led me down the wrong track, after resetting for the umpteenth time and trying something else it turned out to be simple
>>749668226its very easy to manually create a state machine with if-elses
>>749668215I'm not sure I agree with that definition. To me a state is a value from some finite set, and a transition means updating the value to a different one in the same set. Most likely that should be done atomically (one-shot) but as the mp4 shows there's an `if (sprinting)` in the middle of it, which seems questionable.
>>749668336I assume he meant the architecture and not the logic because he's talking about if-else and bitsetsThe logic can't be done purely atomically / transactionally because the game incorporates real-time mechanics
>>749668537>because the game incorporates real-time mechanicshe has an entire transaction system with entity actions. It could be atomic, unless he's doing shenanigans and manually patching for certain cases.
>>749657437Sure broThat's why you have 40 hours and 90 completedSure
>>749668757Yeah he does, I said it can't be ENTIRELY transactionalCharacters walking / falling happens over time and it's not instant like traditional Sokoban
>>749668805>Characters walking / falling happens over timeit's still just tiles with a Z level. he tracks and commits the active one and was showing off debug stuff when someone brought up the movement and animations.
>>749668989It's tiles that objects move between over time
>>749669002>It's tiles that objects move between over timeHe tracks entity distance on the active tile, and switches at like 51% of the tile width. It's more noticeable if you play with skipping stones in slow-mo and do water collisions.
>>749669116I know, that time factor is why the way events happen could change based on how fast you were moving (even if it was a bug)If it was a Sokoban game with no real-time mechanics like Baba is You then it's easy to write airtight state machines with no bugs
>>749668336Not any of these anons, but its not because he was sprinting he fell. It has to do with what the other anon said, the real time nature of the game. He basically outran the flame perpendicularly and his state was never updated. Probably would have happened regardless of how the states were managed because they must have done something out of order when determining states. I know it has nothing to do with sprinting directly because I have done something similar while walking in a level where a dragon glides on a lilipad parallelly with you and you have to walk in tandem over gaps. I was holding up (the direction of the gap) so I could walk across it the first frame I was allowed, and my cleric kept falling in the gap even though from a gameplay perspective they are not supposed to be able to walk over the gaps unless they are going to be a in a flamed state. I would have to assume its some kind of side effect to the in-between frames they give when lillipads and skipping rocks are moving between squares where you can still hit them. I dunno, I've never coded a game before
Do I only unlock the druid section if I do something specific in other island? I miss my heroes man....
