Just got a gaming computer after missing out on the 2000s and 2010s, and the first game I downloaded was the old Bethesda classic, Morrowind. I quickly discovered there simply is a massive mod for Morrowind called Tamriel Rebuilt (TR). It adds 2-3x the size of the original setting of Vvardenfell, complete with over a thousand quests. You can even join an entire new House. It is all handcrafted, and not a single area or line of text or code or artwork was completed by ai. It is a human built, lore-accurate faithful continuation of the game that apparently defined most peoples' childhoods. Let's discuss it.
It's out.https://youtu.be/V2MNIEiVxns?si=FEfIVB5ZRzPdeqZO
The blue plates are nice, but the brown ones seem to last longer.
Seen any elves?
I just want Redoran. It's not fair...
>>749599972It's really good, but I burned out recently and need to wait a while to get back into it.
>>749599972
Is this the epic morrowshit general /deadthread edition/ that a singular sperg keeps creating and bumping from page 10 even though nobody posts in it?
>>749599972Reminder that SureAI had released 3 Morrowind Mods, one huge Oblivion mod and one huge Skyrim mod with voice acting and music paid for by the pockets of the developers while Tamriel Rebuilt trannies cannot make a bunch of copy paste empty landscape with no voice acting while doing it for 10 years longer then SureAI.
Let me know when they finally put some Redoran content into the game.
Why is being a chitin-clad spear-for-hire such a comfy way to go? I'm helping some random lord quash infiltration from a rival house and I'm bad it but at least I'm gonna get paid after looting their houses as part of the investigation.
>>749603723>The threads were active for the whole of summer while you pretended nobody cared>Now it's all died down you still feel the need to rush in and pretend none of that happened and nobody caredCurious behavior. It sounds to me like you care a lot.
>my water is suddenly purpleYou know what, I don't understand OpenMW anymore.
>You'll go no further until you have your papersWhat is this?
>>749605628for me it's playing sorcerer as written, as a cash-first dungeon diver looking for sweet artifacts
Is there anyone that's NOT playing Morrowind as a Dunmer?To be fair, my first char I've beaten the game with was a Wood Elf, but it was 2002, I was a horny kid, I didn't know anything about TES lore and Wood Elves had the best looking girls.
>>749606521you typically see the dark elf "beat the game" first time runs and then people play around with the other races, RPing as an outlander>I was a kidor that too. I remember the first time I saw an elder scrolls game when I was 10 I couldn't think past orc smash and just beat NPCs up in the streets
>>749606370>cash-first dungeon diverYou will never be real sorcerer. You have no mana regeneration, you have no spellbook, you have no arcane bloodline. You are a mundane man twisted by delusions of grandeur and a desperate need to be special. Telvanni mages laugh behind their daughter-wife's backs, mocking the lack of originality and aspirations. No magicka-mandated waifu harem.All the "magic" you get is stolen from almsivi and their dick-riding. Every incantation you utter is a pale imitation of true sorcer. Every spell you cast is a pthetic mockery of arcane arts. You are a hedge wizard twisted by the arcane into a glorified speak-and-spell of the magical arts.>>749606521Imperial right now. Just got some slightly cooler chitin armor. These n'wahs might not be so bad after all.
>>749599972seems like an interesting project but I won't touch it until its done. I'm also skeptical that they can put enough content in that much area.
>>749606671>You will never be real sorcererBased.
>>749606521>Wood Elves had the best looking girls.Anon...
>>749606718>until it's donehaha.. ha... oh anon
>>749606521Playing as a Redguard right now, Arvesa's dialogue doesn’t really make sense if you're a Dunmer
>>749606521Playing as a Dunmer is really nowhere even close to being as immersive or essential as people say it is. For one everybody still calls you a green newbie outlander anyway and all the Dunmer characters who refer to the player character as [Race Name] always call you "Dark Elf", which doesn't make much sense
>Meanwhile with Beyond Skyrim
>>749610184TES VI will unironically be out before any of their projects unfortunately
>>749611419absolutely. Those guys at beyond skyrim are terribly disorganized
>>749599972im sorry the art design is so fucking terrible. I can't look at those faces
>>749603723what about that gooner thats been making daily general skyrim modded threads all summer long with his shitty marie rose pc in the OP
>>749610184Realistically who the fuck even wants to play more of Skyrim when you have Morrowind. They are quite literally wasting their time.
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>tfw the chargen spawned me in the middle of the desert and now my poor Bosmer girl has to run around without a shirt to not to get a heatstroke, while giant grasshoppers are trying to eat me.I never felt so violated in my life.
>>749605968Got hard stuck at this point and never finished the storyBut cool game all the same, I had a blast
>>749610184The beyond Morrowind mod had more views than the tamriel rebuilt update and what they showed was far more polished and interesting in Morrowind than most of tamriel rebuilt content from the last 20 years. If I was a tamriel rebuilt team sperg I would be losing my shit
>>749616294>far more polished and interestingAh yes dinky islands with monotone ashen wastes and bad pathfinding. How could it possibly get any better?
>>749616294>If I was a tamriel rebuilt team sperg I would be losing my shitInstead you're a BS sperg losing his shit.
>>749616560You may be confused about what mod you're talking about. There are two large escale mods about Morrowind in the Skyrim engine. You have Skywind that seeks to recreate Morrowind. This one is very popular because they're recreating all the features of Morrowind in Skyrim including all the crazy spells and expanding all the content. This alone makes it better than TR which is only concerned with adding their fanfiction into the story The beyond skyrim Morrowind mod happens centuries later after morrowind events. Not being as large escale as Skywind they show new spells and dungeons that let you interact with the environment and cool robot enemies in a semi complex dungeon. Not bad for a modest project considering that most TR dungeons are just one room with an enemy and one million septim magic items.
>>749617153He's very clearly referring to BS' Morrowind Project and the fact it exclusively takes place in ash wasteland isles, I think you might be the confused ome
>>749599972DESU Tamriel Rebuilt isn't very good, no idea how people think anything in it is better than what's in the base game. If you're dead set on playing Morrowind for 1000 hours and have already done all the game stuff multiple times over I guess it can be okay
>>749605631NTA but I remember a new thread getting shilled every day after Poison Song came out and they rarely got 100 replies, very clearly driven by 1-2 posters spamming
>>749599972sweet, bot thread
>>749618426No? Poison Song threads consistently hit the bump limit every single day for like a month after its release. The only ones that didn't were the ones that were made when there was already one up, usually due to the fact that there was a falseflagger schizo pretending to be a comically obvious shill (this thread is likely his btw) making threads one after the other
>>749618197Is still an incorrect description because they showed more than just empty islands though. And what a weird comparison when most morrowind fans are invested in Skywind because it takes place in the same time period. Maybe is not a good idea to start comparisons if you're going to get your ass handled like a sexy butt in an male prison showers
>>749618713What does Skywind have to do with this conversation at all
>And then the prophet said: 'Shall we dance?' And that's how it went...
>>749613949If you say so.
>>749617153>which is only concerned with adding their fanfiction into the story Weird point to make while shilling Beyond Skyrim, which is arguably a lot more fanfictiony since there definitely exists a whole lot more canon information on late 3rd Era Tamriel than 4th era Tamriel
>>749620026They're not pretending is canon just like every other beyond skyrim project is upfront that is a totally made up scenario based on what if. TR goes around pretending they're not fanfiction when they're
>>749620179>TR goes around pretending they're not fanfictionThey don't tho
>>749620273why are you going to start a discussion if you're just going to blatantly lie and larp
>>749620461That goes to you. Where do you see the TR faggots ever claim that their shit is canon? Do you see random people in these threads compare it favorably to ESO & other post-Morrowind lore and thinking that's some sort of genuine belief on canonicity and also the official position? No, this whole part of the fandom is built on the belief that "canon" doesn't matter because having Zenimax's seal on it doesn't somehow make it good or worthy of respect
>>749617153maybe in 20 years you'll get to play one of them if you're lucky
Where do I find this bitch
>>749599972Honestly what the fuck is the point? Morrowind is a complete game, it doesn't need more shit tacked to it.Also these tiny modern bethesda game worlds just feel lame after Daggerfall. Doesn't matter if you add the rest of the province, its scale is still completely wrong. Just a little backyard caricature.
>>749620729>broh i don't pretend we're canon>i just pretend we're betterthanks for replaying to yourself so I don't have to waste my breath
>>749622297Random anons on /v/ are not TR devs, and no one owes Bethesda anything. The fuck are we supposed to do, pretend we like the shitty MMO better so people like you aren't offended? lol
i remember when PS released some people were confused by the decision to have house indoril and the ordinators to spec on heavy armor instead of medium and a lot of people rebuked them by pointing out the fact that the ordinator class actually does have heavy armor as the favored skill in vanilla. but in addition to that, indoril armor is straight up described as heavy armor in the old elder scrolls website>Indoril armor is the ornate heavy armor style worn by Ordinators, a military order of knights in service of the Tribunal Temple. Gold leaf details the pauldrons, bracers, and helm of this insect-shell laminate armor. So many Ordinators come from House Indoril that the armor style is known as 'Indoril' armor, though knights of all Great Houses may serve as Ordinators.so i guess the iconic indoril armor WAS supposed to be heavy and then they changed it last minute for whatever reason. probably because medium arnor is kind of scarce even in the final game
>>749624630>Gold leaf details the pauldrons, bracers, and helm of this insect-shell laminate armor.Great, now I have a reason to nitpick every artist that depicts it as some sort of bronze armor
>>749625384To be fair, you have to be retarded to assume the Dunmer are using BRONZE when all their other native shit is made out of bugs or volcanic materials.
The elves fear this
>>749606521i played these games in a weird order. i played oblivion, then morrowind then skyrim. first argonian in oblivion as i thought they just looked like a cool monster race. everyone else looked fucking retarded. then morrowind, and it opened my eyes to a version of tamriel that wasnt unbelievably fucking cringe and lame like oblivions. i played dunmer then and played dunmer in skyrim as well. skyrim really didnt hit the mark for me either. my love of this universe came and went with morrowind. its probably one of the most poorly handled fantasy universes and biggest "what ifs" in gaming history. the foundation morrowind laid with its sort of "soft reboot" of the TES series was amazing and they just couldnt ever quite match it since.
>>749625859The average fantasy fan is only really only familiar with metal and leather armor. And there's ESO, which is a lot of people's reference for the setting nowadays and does depict the Dunmer as primarily wearing metal armor and the game's signature leather hoodies instead of bug shells
>>749599972You know it's kind of a shame there's such a divide between the old guard and new guard of modders when it comes to utilizing AI, because I think if the guys that are already familiar with creating and importing content into this game started using the tools we have at our disposal now, we could see the entire planned map out by the end of next year.
>>749606521I like playing as Imperial or Breton for the fish out of water experience, Dunmer I play when I want to do Temple or Redoran quests. I think you shouldn't even be allowed to join those as a non-Dunmer.
>>749627376i wonder what trainwiz thinks of AI.
>>749627715Redoran is pretty moderate even if there are is only like one non-dunmer member iirc. The temple questline is just weird in general imo and always feels awkward.
>>749599972Forget Morrowind, is oscuro's overhaul enhanced the definitive way to play oblivion in 2026?
>>749624630>Based on High Elven designs, orcish armor is an ornate but remarkably light steel plate worn over cloth padding. Light and comfortable by contrast with other steel plate designs, orcish armor commands premium prices from campaigning mercenary officers and style-conscious nobles.Damn, now Sneedrim's decision to have Orcish armor be ugly uruk-hai scrap metal that's only strong because it's made out of special green metal named [OR]i[C]halcum feels even more retarded
>>749599972Why did you use AI to write this shitpost? Why do you keep posting these AI shitposts? Its not hard to make an authentic thread.You're so fucking gross dude.
>>749627376I agree in principle, but I doubt it will happen, and they won't be outpaced by a new AI-driven team within your timeframe because all the people with sufficient lore autism join TR. Even opus 5.5 has surprisingly shallow knowledge of the lore and sources, I have had to tardwrangle it quite a bit for my own stuff. No matter how smart it is it can't know shit that wasn't in its training data, isn't searchable online, and isn't otherwise available to it. By the end of next year it will certainly have the 3d-modeling/tool use to replicate all necessary dev processes from the top down (and maybe even the artistic taste to do it well), but it will be a while still before it's as easy as "claude please go make the rest" without a bunch of support simply because the lore it needs to follow is so scattered and buried.
>>749599972I like AI and think grandstanding against it is low testosterone
>>749628115>they won't be outpaced by a new AI-driven team within your timeframe because all the people with sufficient lore autism join TRThat's the sad part. With the current team it's gonna take like 10 years, and with an AI-bro team it would take like 5 years (they'd have to employ lore-keeping agents with some kind of codex reference)But if they just JOINED FORCES and stopped be such petty little bitches we'd get this shit done pronto
>>749606521You forgot everyone who plays Argonian. We're a simple people - see lizard, pick lizard. Also - fuck worry about poison or breathing underwater, true adventurer chads take the water breathing every time.
>>749628085you have AIDS (AI Derangement Syndrome)you also have HIV
>>749628470I'd rather it take longer, but be a higher quality. Reality of it is they could complete it quicker, but it would be half assed like how it was done in the early days of the project.A good chunk of the development process is quest design too and I don't have a lot of faith in the current models to create well designed quests.
>>749628674Its an AI shitpost. You are a deranged little subhuman if you cannot even formulate a simple on topic normal post to create a thread. You will always be brown. Your will never (ever) be human.
>>749627376it's a good thing, better to keep the slop out until the hype dies down, way too many retards shitting out slop
Can I shill my mod I just made here or is that gay
>>749630634sure anon :)
>>749630007>better to keep the slop out until the hype dies downYou're a retard. It's only getting better. Compare an AI voice mod for BG1 from 2 years back....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Dxp3j9QPoTo one from a few months ago...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouNqNI0RLjo
>>749630968My opinion has been reinforced, thanks I guess.
should i slop up skyrim combat in morrowind?
>>749631104you should put dark messiah combat into morrowind. i wanna ragdoll kick ascended sleepers down red mountain
>>749628470>petty little bitchesAI jeets really are the worst
>>749629123>>749628171Why do you think it's an AI post, anon?
>>749630718https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/60571rough attempt at implementing domain expansion from jjk. aside from kind of looking like shit, is there anything u think I can improve on?
>>749626717If you knew what was good for you you'd be scared, too.
>>749631686I was talking about both groups retardTalk about AIDS
>>749628470>they'd have to employ lore-keeping agents with some kind of codex referenceWhat's the point of a complete TR mainland if it's just AI writing, even edited AI writing? AI should be used for technical shit only. I'd rather it remain incomplete and go read or play something else if it ended up full of AI writing. It's not like there's a lack of vidya or fantasy novels. There's enough content as it is with the game right now we don't need to ship moar like a tech company just for the sake of covering the rest of the map. Especially when it comes to a mod AI shouldn't be handling any of the creativity. Mods are supposed to be the opposite of slop (slop content not AI-slop). Mods are cool because people aren't held to deadline constraints of companies, they're cool because they aren't fulfilling an obligation. Part of that also means you're not going to get 500 hours of content a year.Honestly I think anyone who genuinely expects TR to ever be complete has lost the plot, pro or anti-AI. You're all in la-la land and don't know what the mod even is anymore. You just like the concept of unlimited TES.
>>749631104N'garde and the dark souls targeting is all you need
>>749627945Honestly, if you figure it out let me know, I've been looking for a Morrowloot equivalent for Oblivion for ages now.
>revisit TR after 2 years away>in the past I started many guilds but only did 1 or 2 cities worth for each of them>want to finally go through and finish every guild/house questline because I have a wealth of freetime now>cant remember which quests I did and didnt do beforeI dont wanna replay shit but fuck its annoying trying to figure out what ive already done
I recently remembered that /vrpg/ exists and i saw that about a fucking third of that board is just TES threads nowadays, including like 5 Morrowind threads, one of which is TR-centric. In it, one guy shat on PTR on the grounds that the devs are supposedly ESOfags (and no one bothered correcting him until like 2 days ago), which is a hilarious accusation to say the least given the fights that happen on the /v/ threads, including the one earlier in this threadIn his defense, the Cyrodiil guys really should consider updating their wiki pages at some point, wiki readers who wanna learn more about the project are bound to get the impression that they're still holding Oblivion & other later lore as canon. The settlements page still mentions counties and Jagar Tharn being a member of an established family from Cheydinhal and such lol
>>749634403What do you think about AI?
>>749599972They should use AI. It will still be mediocre slop but at least it will get finished.
>>749633021If you tell an AI to write an argonian getting fucked, does it really matter if the full scene is written by a robit or not? Especially if it's betaread and edited afterwards.
>>749599972waiting for the AI voice acted normie dialog version of morrowind (i don't want to read a book when i play a game)i'm sure Bethesda is working on a remake and will surprise drop it before the Elder Scrolls 6
>>749620729>the fandom is built on the belief that "canon" doesn't matter Not just the fandom because c0da
>>749627725he probably uses it given how his latest project is much lower quality than even /v/lancer was
>>749639063It is a very small but vocal part of the fanbase that does not care about canon.Well about actual canon. They care a great deal about their headcanon.
>>749638660Pretty sure there's already one available.
>>749639226underspace is kino though
>>749635941>>749636935>>749639226so much seething and crying about AI lol
>>749640559Its codebase and technical design decisions (except the parts he shamelessly stole) are hot garbage.
>>749641231seems pretty kino to me.
>>749641435yeah a blind and retarded consoomer like you will gladly swallow any turd withou knowing better
>>749641529Yeah, because I like good games.
>doing TR's new Indoril quests>first mission for Roa Dyr is delivering potions to ailing farmers in Dondril >along with a letter for the local sheriff>sounds simple enough>decide to read the note>Ilvi doesn't like them trading with Imperials>it's an underhanded threat wrapped in a care package>mfw
>>749641231Did the AIfags finally decomp underspace?
I desire more Reman tech
>>749642296>posts dumb ai memes>knows jack shit about techAs usual.It's a unity game, those literally ship with their IL source code and even for il2cpp there's an externsive modding ecosystem that casually decompiles them just as a step to enable code modding.
>>749642678That seems like a lot of work. Why wouldn't you just get AI to do it?
>>749641108Its the latest virtue signaling fad
>>749642678Only people who play games would know something as basic as that.So, not /v/. Definitely not /v/.
>>749640559I just wish he'd add voice acting already
>>749642563Why is the Third Empire so technologically regressed?
>>749643353Because trains are gay
>>749643353like 400 years between it and the Reman Empire and they'd rather spend their money on the economy and promoting the godlessness and racelessness of their cosmopolitan (and corrupt) society instead
>>749643248Soon. Soonish.
claude, finish these project these troons taking too long.
Why waste all this time on some fuckshit game by Bethesda? The only good thing about this game is that meme of the masked dude
>>749643353Pretty much this >>749643973 Cyrodiil's industrial revolution was carried solely by Reman's autism. Dude was a special kind of crazy.
>>749643973>the godlessness and racelessness of their cosmopolitan (and corrupt) societyWhat's funny is that this ultimately resulted in Jagar Tharn, who is its best representative, being so culturally and racially mixed he's basically unique (and this is old lore too, Arena-era,) and he's the one who pretty much killed the Third Empire in the end. Undone by its own creation.
>>749642101I'm always so divided on whether or not to read delivered messages like this because you never know when theyre going to through in a "the player read this" script and punish you, but I also dont want to be a huge pussy and save reload to read it either
AI is going to rape Tamriel Retrooned devs so hard.
>>749626717https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZbK--FCu4
>>749643353Constant civil wars
>>749635363of course they're not holding oblivion as canon. they're holding their own lore they made up in their heads as canon.
>>749650897They actually hold Morrowind-era lore about Cyrodiil found in the Pocket Guide, Morrowind generic dialogue, and dev forum posts, as well as later texts written with the Morrowind-era Cyrodiil in mind like the Song of Pelinal and Remanada as canon. Which of course naturally means that their version of Cyrodiil is ruled by Colovian Monarchies and Nibenese battlemages & Merchants as described in those sources, not the counts and dukes from OblivionDon't worry though, they still use things from Oblivion. It's pretty fun actually, seeing things from Oblivion adapted to the Cyrodiil that should have been
>>749652345>They actually hold Morrowind-era lore about Cyrodiil found in the Pocket Guide,That's only the background stuff. The rest of the things are up to their interpretation and pulling things out their ass while putting 0 effort on it
It's really funny to me that his favorite argument (because I've seen him use this particular bait in many threads) is "THEY MADE IT UP" like literally anyone fucking cares. It's the kind of 'gotcha' argument that you'd only dream up if you were legit retarded and thought people playing PTR are somehow Bethesda lore purists.
>>749653418I don't care that they made it up, honestly.
>>749653498Exactly, nobody does, the only thing people care about if is it doesn't blatantly contradict what Morrowind-era stuff tells us, that it evokes the feeling of Morrowind-era worldbuilding, and most importantly that it's cool and fun. Nothing more.
>>749653192>The rest of the thingsLike what exactly? Like i said everything about their political structure for Cyrodiil is rooted in official material from back in the day. The storylines involving those structures are, ironically, mostly directly inspired by Oblivion stories. The only thing they've made up entirely is like, some of the wildlife i guess. And everything about Sutch and most things about Kvatch, but that's out of necessity since the former got pretty much entirely cut from Oblivion and the other is just a main story setpiece. I don't even care if they made it up or not, I agree with the posts above, I'm just curious: What, do you think they should have done instead? Just stuck to Oblivion's low level animal enemies and omitted things like Sutch as to avoid pulling things out of their ass?
>>749642296No, it's another schizo who escaped the pit. Push it back in.
>>749631965i dont know jjk, but it has a very classic mod feel and looks pretty good
>>749635363Maybe if those barneys let anyone edit, like the UESP
they don't know thwt my PC is going to jump off the talos bell tower. heh, they think im just a normie imperial on business for a pawnbroker guild that I completely made up. what a bunch of dumb losers.
