I don't care. It's a super cool weapon and really satisfying to use.People who refuse to touch it because it's popular among casuals are some of the dumbest faggots in existence.
You'll understand when you're older
>>749613618For me it's the chaos blade in DS1.
>>749613618Me with the Longsword in MH.
>>749613618https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKsj5mCR7qsisn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
>>749613618Based Moonveil chad
>>749613618>WHY HAVE A CHALLENGE IN A GAME ABOUT CHALLENGE???! WHY NOT JUST PICK THE MOST OP METAFAG SWORD AND USE IT FOR THE WHOLE PLAYTHROUGH? IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A CONTRARIAN INSTEAD OF BEING A PUSSY BITCH LIKE MEEE!!!!you didn't beat the game, at least, not spirituallylike having sex with a hooker
>>749613618It's actually very lame to use. People only use it in PVP because the weapon skill comes out in like 6 frames, making it very difficult to react to. A magic infused uchi does more damage and lets you use more satisfying weapon arts like glintstone pebble or carian sovereignty
>>749613725LS is one of the least casual-friendly weapons in MonHun as it actually requires you to learn the monsters unlike most other weapons.
>>749613618I actually prefer that you use it, it's one pf the easiest weapons to parry in the game. It'll make it easier to kill you when I invade you.
>>749613819Using an int scaling weapon that used to be PVP meta 3 years ago for the whole game doesn't actually reduce the challenge. It's arguably not even the best option for int/dex weapons specifically.
>>749613819Bro's stuck in 2020. Moonveil hasn't been OP for a very long time. It's still good, but it's a far cry from what it was at the game's launch.
I mean, as far as kats go it's one of the cooler weapons, I personally prefer the Chimpveil, RoB and the Sword of Night but it's still a cool weapon for a Selian themed build.ER has so many cool weapons it's hard to choose though, same with spells.
>>749613936any strong weapon with a spammable long range weapon art is a cheese weapon, people use it for the WA, not the scalinglike ROB and blasphemous sword
>>749613618Man how the jap convinced an entire generation of nerd thinking this weapon is cool
>>749614060RoB's WA is pretty trash nowadays.It's probably the worst ARC weapon second only to Varre's bouquet, but even Varre's bouquet has some funky gimmicks like being one of the few somber weapons that can be infused and being a mace, what salvages RoB is the fire damage really.
>>749613618Based.
>>749613618It's easily the coolest weapon in the game. Yeah, it's really fucking strong. But it's also cool as hell.
>>749613819>WHAT? YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME WITH AN UNUPGRADED FARTSTICK? FEH, FUCKING CASULS
>>749614060ROB is mediocre. Transient moonlight is pretty good, but the range is less than almosg all sorceries, do you even play this game? Blasphemous Blade is still fucking bonkers. At least it's locked behind maybe THE most out of the way boss in the game besides like, Malenia
>>749614157Sabres are cooler and more fun to use.
>>749613618I think it has made somewhat of a comeback thanks to Renala's charm buff.
>>749614389Sort of, but Uchi/Nagakiba with Iai stance are still better off because they can also run Rellana's charm and deal much higher damage for less FP.The extra projectile is nice to have but ever since they removed the stacking with the physical hit of the blade it's just okay.
>>749613618as long as you don't use one in each hand like a megaweeb
>>749613867>whiff a parry >eat a 1000+ damage combo The best thing about using Moonveil in PVP is how many people are confident that you'll just spam the skill, leading to them dying in 3 seconds every time.
>>749614157If you mean the katana in general, it's not really the Japs themselves that did that. The weapon was featured in a lot of 80s/90s American action movies because a lot of directors from that time were proto-weebs. The katana creates a cool contrast to Western fashion and it's honestly one of the more practical self-defense swords for modern times as it's compact enough for theoretical everyday carry. After all, the katana is designed to be a self-defense weapon carried during everyday life, not a battlefield or a dedicated dueling weapon.
>>749613618Based, all true Souls players know that the real challenge of the games are absolutely destroying bosses using minmaxxed psycho shit you can come up with. Moonveil is like one small part of those types of builds.
>>749614731>it's honestly one of the more practical self-defense swords for modern times as it's compact enough for theoretical everyday carry.It's a brittle two-handed sabre with no hand protection. A good everyday carry would be a real workhorse like a navy cutlass but there's no real romance for those outside of fantasy pirate ones because the real ones were functional and ugly.
>>749614157it is coolseethe
>>749613618For me it's the manslayer in DS2. The only game where poison stat is useful. And where bows are useful too. And magic being varied, flexible. Praise DSII.
>>749615020Being pretty is part of what makes it practical, because realiatically you were unlikely to actuallybever draw it in anger. Also you can use it with one hand.
>>749613618I refuse to touch it because using a Katana with a knight armor set or, god forbid, a shield, severely triggers my autism.
>>749615230>Being pretty is part of what makes it practical, because realiatically you were unlikely to actuallybever draw it in anger.That's also why rapiers and smallswords were typically so heavily decorated. Smallswords in particular were often only decorated on the underside of the hilt since that was the only part likely to be visible in public. But you can actually have a sensible middle ground, that's what officer's swords were supposed to be.>Also you can use it with one hand.Katana's kind of suck to use in one hand, there's a reason most dedicated one-handed swords don't have extended grips.
>>749615658>Katana's kind of suck to use in one hand, I mean they're a bit larger than ideal, but it's fine. I have a WWII shin gunto that my great uncle brought home from the war and it's reasonably comfortable with one hand.
>>749615658>>749615929Oh, and also in a self defense scenario, there's not many reasons you wouldn't be able to use two hands anyway
>>749615592There's multiple japanese themed sets and even a wakizashi, who's exactly forcing you to use katanas with knight armor sets?
>>749614373but can they shoot laser beam
>>749615658Yeah, but the katana just looks cooler.
>>749613618The rule of cool
>>749616180they can in ER, though that doesn't mean much as every weapon type can shoot some kind of projectile
>>749615929It's a sticking point for me because there's certain techniques that don't work well with an extended grip, doing a No. 1 cut wrist moulinet with a grip over a certain length is a recipe for disaster. Broadly speaking these things come down to personal preference but I still think a more durable if less sharp blade that flexes well is overall a more sensible choice if you ever need to consider using it in anger.>>749616080A two-handed grip binds up your movement options. Also you never know when you'll want a free hand to do anything else.
>>749613618>Press L2 to awesome>"really satisfying"
I like big axes.
>tfw I am always thinking the plasma sword of S4League looks too much like the swords that used my ancestors but I never said it beforehttps://youtu.be/0Z4M9eP6ETw>katana resonates weird with me>the scythe feels like the only meele weapon that feels right with mehttps://youtu.be/IFTaQmhBuZg
>>749613618Aw shit a katana thread!
>>749615592I just used the Black Knife set.
>>749613819>GAME ABOUT CHALLENGEimagine playing darksouls for 'challenge' and actually thinking it's difficult or challenging and then arbitrarily making self imposed rules to make the game MORE difficult for yourself and then bragging about it to protect your ego. very strange phenomena.
Ever since stumbling my way thru DS1 with a dex/int build I thought was cool because I heard buffing was good (it was less good than just using that int to plaster everything with soul spears but it worked) I've made a tradition of trying for a dex/int katanafag on my first playthrough so moonveil was made for me. Then after suffering through with a dex weapon I rolled a str character and realized for the 5th time in a row that str was ezmodo
>>749613618>weapon deals magic damage>needs intYare yare
>>749616242They do look very pretty. The nicest one I ever saw was just the mounting for a Heian era sword in a place in Ginza, but it scabbard was so narrow that I doubt the sword was ever intended for actual use.Sabres aren't as aesthetically pleasing but they have their own charm and I wish they had more presence in vidya.
>>749616539Scholar's armament on a Keen weapon in ER is legit better than using Magic weapons, it's FTH that has buffs that don't scale all that well, although DEX/FTH with elecritify armament is probably more efficient.
>>749616452>I just used the Black Knife set.Based
>>749614674hasn't been my experience lol. i see bloodhound fang, moonveil, RoB, or anyone using flaming strike, and i can almost set my watch by when i need to press l2.
>>749614248Carian Greatsword ash of war is cooler
>>749614326sorceries are lame
>>749613618Ice Spear (Ash of War) is better, cheaper FP, less stat requirements, and deals more poise. People still cling to Moonveil like its 2022 you're just as bad as River of Blood copers.
If katana has int requirement, miss me with that.
>>749613867But I love invading with Moonveil. It's an incredibly deadly weapon in the hands of someone who knows how to pvp. Parries are super easy to bait, especially now that everyone is so trigger happy with them due to the parry buffs.Picrel is my favourite INTvader build.Moonveil as your main weapon with Butchering Knife, Dryleaf Arts, Scythe, Carian Regal Scepter and a 2nd Staff of Loss for hardswaps.Butchering Knight being your Waves of Darkness L2 stick (mainly because the stats can't afford the Zweihander but also because WoD on the Zweihander has become way too predictable)Dryleaf Arts mainly to Palm Blast corners but it's also good at chasing people down.Scythe to fight shields since INT doesn't have good ways to deal with them.Carian Regal Scepter just for its ash of war.And the 2nd Staff of Loss is to cast Night Comet and Night Shard, the only sorceries on the build. And the off-hand SoL is there to double the Night sorcery boost since that makes Night Comet stronger than Comet fired by Lusat's.
>>749613819He says, making yet another brainless jump R2 strength build
>>749617976Prisoner is the better starting class for Moonveil and for Cold Dryleaf Arts
>>749618198Oh yeah, you're right. You save 1 level. Guess you can put that into HP.
>>749617961Katanas are one of the few weapon classes that are overwhelming INT oriented outside of some ARC options.Funnily enough there's not a single FTH katana, which is fitting for the fedora tipper weapon class.
>>749618435>Katanas are one of the few weapon classes that are overwhelming INTNo, they're not. Moonveil and Meteoric Ore Blade are the only ones. Everything else is dex. Even that fancy katana from the DLC that notYoda uses.
Rapiers were the deadliest weapons back then, eventhough the weren't aesthetic.Cuts can be healed without modern medecine, but deep stabs? Literally imposible since you need surgery to fix organ damage. One stab on your torso and it's over.Romans understood this, and that's the reason why the gladius was so effective and widespread.
For me, it's the simple unassuming little guy.
>>749613819game creator himself said he uses every advantage he can to cheese fightsit's literally the intended way of playing
for me it's Rivers of Blood but not because it was strong I just thought the name and design looked cool. it's so edgy I love it
>>749614298This but unironically. Not tryharding in these games is for mongoloids.
>>749613618It’s just not a masterwork bastard sword
>>749613819Moonveil is pretty balanced in PvE
>>749621302>game creator This reeks of an ESL SEAjeet. Neither director, Miyazaki nor Tanimura have said this
Use whatever you like, don't let faggots tell you otherwise. For me it's the shotgun spell.
>>749621805Nta but I think Shitazaki did say that.
>>749613618This is better.
>>749614326RoB is not mediocre. It’s insanely good. Something like BB or Marais being god tier doesn’t really make RoB not insane. To be honest the true litmus test is actually nighreign which separates the wheat from the chaff
>>749615592The Beast Champion set looks good with mage weapons.
>>749613824>glinstone pebble>more satisfying than moonveil art>more satisfying than any artit's literally the shitty level 1 wizard spell, this is somehow cooler than some shit that looks like some wuxia shit that should be called One Moon Under Heaven Veil - Second Movement: Cleaving the Sky In Half
>>749613618It really is
>>749613618>Using a katana in a western fantasy inspired settingCringe. True chads stick to the european longsword.If only Fromsoft didn't have an obvious bias for weapons from their own country and actually gave the longsword an accurate to real life range and an actually good moveset...
Troonveil
>>749622439Just get a Zweihander instead. Fighting huge monsters and dragons with anything smaller just looks dumb anyways.
>>749622812The Zweihander moveset looks too retarded for me to use once i learned how it's meant to be used in combat irl
>>749613819Moonveil falls off hard towards the lategame. Early game, where you can just get the meteor staff, the rock throw spell, kill the wyrm, kill Alexander for the skill buff talisman, get somber +6 without much effort, yeah sure. It's neat to carry you up to the point where you can just re-spec into an 80 int beast. Then you use it as a sidearm.>>749622439Nignog please. Square Off is insane, and straight swords have either been bis class, or right behind the best for the entire series>actually good movesetIt only does fucking everything
>>749616705have you played Rise of the Ronin?I'm playing it rn and it features sabres and even different combat styles for them, along with other western weapons of the erashame it's basically AssCreed but it's fun
>>749623134If you actually played the games instead of watching videos, you'd know that everything straight swords do in souls games, katanas do better because not only do they have longer range, they're faster, do higher dps and actually incorporate irl moves unlike longswords where 95% of the moveset is retarded swipes and 5% thrusts. Ideally, a longsword would be a light greatsword and would have the moveset of one
>>749624218The M249 is sex because it's a true machine gun that can be shoulder fired pretty accurately.
>>749621891Modern firearms have this uncool factor that I just can't explain. I love revolvers, older bolt action and especially lever action rifles but modern firearms just don't do it for me. Except for shotguns. I like modern shotguns.
>>749624313>Except for shotguns. I like modern shotguns.That might have something to do with the fact that shotguns haven't actually changed that much over the past century or so. A hunter from 1900 could probably figure out a modern shotgun pretty quickly because it's really not all that different from the model 1897 they used to feed the family.
>>749624278I'm sure that sounds cool to /k/ regulars.>>749625075Fair point.
>>749613618Ah, Moonveil. You and Cold Antspur + Spinning Weapon can blend most anything.
>>749625543>I'm sure that sounds cool to /k/ regulars.I don't listen to hip hop.
>>749613819Don't care, the series is known for throwing unfair shit at you so it's cathartic to have that power yourself for a change, pic very much related. This fucks up enemy AI like nobody's business.
>>749623021>muh realistismWho cares. Anyways you should mostly be using the crouch poke, R2 and jumping R2 even in PVE which shouldn't trigger your autism. Plus the ash of war, which would probably be Giant Hunt or if you want to be anime, Lion's Claw. Hell, you can even use Stamp (Sweep) if you want a more realistic spinny Zweihander use.
>>749621253>Carian Sorcery Sword in mainhand >Cold Main Gauche in the offhand, parry as skill.>Slicer, Adula's Greatsword, Piercer, Gavel of Haima, Stars of Ruin, Swift Glintstone ShardOh yeah, it's spellblade time
>>749614248Eleonara's clears it in the base game. Dlc has tons of weapons that clear it but everything is mogged by the simple and elegant milady
>>749623982This sounds like horseshit to me, straight swords were the meta in dark souls 3 and are pretty good in ER. Yeah I would say katanas are better but it’s also because they are bigger. Bigger is usually better in ER. Like spears are mogged by great spears and straight swords are mogged by greatswords
>>749623982Katanas are not faster than straight swords in this series.
>>749628513Main Gauche is a very good main weapon btw. The two-handed R2 is crazy good. For PvP, that is.
>>749623982>If you actually played the games instead of watching videosWell, you clearly didn't because straight swords dominated both DS2 and DS3 pvp meta.
>>749613618Sword Lance.
>>749613819>IN A GAME ABOUT CHALLENGE???!Don't really give a fuck about the community (maybe the grossest word in the english language) or the reputation these games have about being le hard. Half the items in these games, all of them, make the game easy. >2026 and he thinks the average women is better than a hookerRofl. Still not using the moonveil lol. It's simply too popular. But so is the antimoonveil sentiment. Guess I'm not that into katanas.
>>749613819>didn't beat the game while blindfolded by giving commands to a brand new player who is also blindfolded while at SL1 with no items, no jumps, no rolls, bare fists onlyYou didn't beat the game, at least, not spiritually.
for me it's scimitarfuck weebs with katanas!fuck nerds with longswords!fuck niggers!and most importantly FUCK JANNIES.
>>749630249I pronounce it ski-MEET-er.
>>749615139It's great but it comes quite late
>>749623982>you'd know that everything straight swords do in souls games, katanas do betterThey don't?>R1sStraight swords are better, Katanas are slow, have worse posture damage and most don't have access to piercing damage either>R2sStraight swords are better, you have better posture damage, more range etc., Serpentbone/Sword of Night are the only kats that can compete due to their multihit R2s but they're still inferior to the straight sword R2s purely because the multihit R2 is slower, Sword of Night has a true combo for the uncharged WA into uncharged R2 and that's about the only notable thing Katanas have going on>PowerstancingStraight swords clear, period, powerstanced kats have the single worst powerstanced moveset of any two handed weapon and that includes axes/maces>Guard CountersKatanas' guard counters are abhorrent dogshit, neither are good, meanwhile SS have the best one handed GC in the game together with CSs >Ashes of WarAgain, Straight swords clear, Square Off alone is better than anything kats can do outside of Iai stance which is a worse Square Off, the Nagakiba singlehandedly carries katanas due to the bullshit hitbox and even that isn't enough to compete with something as simple as the Lordsworn SS.>Somber weaponsStraight swords once again clear katanas, SoN&F alone mogs any katana, Regalia of Eochaid has unbelievable damage and amazing synergy with Malenia's GR, Coded Sword is an incredible pure FTH weapon and even the two swords of St. Trina allow cheese that no Katana offer, the only somber katana of note is the Moonveil, everything else is either mediocre or straight up bad.
>>749630601I agree with basically all of this except the post nerf the Sword of night and flame is ass even with the dlc. Off the top of my head not a single other cameo buffed AoW is as bad as it. I’d rather use a basic longsword with square off or if you want the double element the rellana twin swords. My last playthrough was int faith and I low key hated that shit. It’s constantly 1 frame slower and or 1 inch shorter and it lets you down constantly
>>749630374skimeater
its ironically an indicator that you know nothing about the game and have been coasting on coop to get you through everything. you can onetap every moonveil user cause they are made of paper and dont know where their roll button is.
>>749613618Sword of Night and Flame mogs it
Moonveil is a fine weapon but Eleonora's Poleblade is extremely lethal within seconds, in the proper hands of course.
>>749633717
>>749613819>like having sex with a hookerExplain to me the difference between paying a whore upfront to have sex with you and spending money on a woman, taking her on dates and buying her gifts until she has sex with you.
>>749613618There are worse weapons out there
>>749613618*teleports behind you*psshh...nothin personnel...kid...
I just hate katanas
>>749613819You sound anally raped.
>>749637779>teleports behi-ACK
for me it's the rapier. or the estoc. or the claymore.everythhing else is trash. the whip is alright.
>>749613694mein nigga
I beat everything with nagakiba and unsheathewe are not the same
>>749639602Literally stronger than post-nerf Moonveil btw. Especially if you use Bloodflame Blade on it.Casuals don't understand just how busted Unseathe is.
>>749621000Rapiers were for unarmored duels, but weren't battlefield weapons.
>>749613618I'd like to interject for a moment. I tried Moonveil a year or so ago and found it pretty boring. I preferred the Meteoric Ore Blade with its unique heavies. L2 sticks stopped being impressive to me within the first month of playing Elden Ring; actually mastering the rest of the moveset of a weapon is the interesting part about the game's weapons, in my opinion. As a side note, I also can't believe Bloodhound Fang hard carries noobs. There's really nothing that remarkable about it besides the fact that it's an early somber weapon that can still be buffed.
>>749641841To be fair it does have a bonus to jumping attacks and GCS are already pretty strong in ER, I wouldn't use it over most GCS but it's fairly good as far as somber weapons go.
>>749613819Miyazaki constantly dumping powerful gear on your lap and then nudging your shoulder knowing that you’re a true gamer and you’ll reject it every time like he expects you to. Then when you finish the game he personally thanks you for ignoring him and says that all of the things he was constantly dropping on your lap, now a pile of weapons nearly touching the ceiling, was only intended to help casuals along but not you ever. He then boots up Skyrim and commends the game on its auteur “choose your own difficulty” design, calling Todd Howard on the phone and telling him that he will respect Todd’s vision and spend the entire game using nothing but an Iron War Axe rejecting all possible weapon upgrades that might cheapen the experience if taken. Todd ends the phone call confused and then delays TES VI to add a prompt to every weapon that says, “Yes we actually intend for you to pick up the better weapon that does more damage than your current weapon, this is an rpg”. As you leave hearing Miyazaki take 50 swings with his shitty axe to kill a dragon you trip on a shield (gasp) and die.
>>749641947I really don't care all that much for the CGS moveset honestly. I prefer Greataxes, Greatswords, and Heavy Thrusting Swords (particularly Queelign's Greatsword). I've also really been enjoying Great Katanas, and the fact that they finally put one in the early game has been a joy for me. I'm currently doing a maidenless playthrough with the Reed Great Katana as my main weapon. Already mostly finished Leyndell.
>>749641841It has huge AR and innate bleed that you can buff with even more bleed, and since it's somber it's an easy weapon to upgrade. The iframes on the skill also means dealing safe damage against enemies whose moveset you don't already know, which is perfect for someone in their first playthrough.
>>749642252The skill is not intuitive to use for a noob though, and the iframes are only on the 2nd part of the skill. I've watched infinite noobs get killed thinking they get iframes on the first part.
yeah it was a cool weapon. shame they nerfed it into the ground
>>749642339The backflip still dodges most attacks simply due to the distance it covers. Another important thing is the quality scaling, which means any amount of STR and DEX will contribute to its damage, which in practice means that anyone with an unoptimized build will look at their weapons and notice that the Bloodhound Fang outdamages anything else they might have.
>>749642802>The backflip still dodges most attacks simply due to the distance it covers.Yeah but you have to know when to use it and how to space using it at all if you intend to actually hit with the first part of the attack. There's a fair bit of mechanical knowledge you need to do those things effectively and noobs really don't have that. You're right about the scaling part though. Noobs have no idea how to build for weapons so it's only natural quality scaling weapons will look the best on paper.
>>749613618
>>749642361it's basically useless in nightreign. shit deals no damage.
>>749642925Not really, all you need to do is walk up to something and press L2. Even if you do get hit it'll be a trade, and the skill deals good damage + stagger, so you just keep doing it until the entire game dies.Popular weapons are popular for a reason.
>>749643256>trade with every enemy in an area>you are now out of flasks halfway through every dungeonAh yes, the noob experience.
>>749641841It's an early somber weapon with bleed with low requirements. That's literally enough. You can get it to +9 early and kill Morgott with like three L2's if you built right.
>>749635749the kaiden nightlord
>>749622360If you had actually played the game, you would know that the glintstone pebble ash of war has a followup attack where you do a very heavy stab forward with a satisfying THUNK that does a billion stance damage. Good in PVP too.
>>749622439the 1h moveset is like the one thing longswords have going for them, at least for me. they're kind of unimpressive in every other aspect. very middle of the road weapon class. Still have done quite a few playthroughs with them though
>>749622027>RoB is not mediocre. It’s insanely good.Was, for like a few months, now it's just okay at best. It's also in fucking mountaintops, making it not really an option at all for most of a playthrough.
>>749613618If you're doing PvE there's zero reason to use Moonveil over MLGS>Looks cooler>Has cold build up>Better at beam spam>Frees up your weapon art slot for a parry>More fun as a result
>>749642252>It has huge AR and innate bleed that you can buff with even more bleed,No you can't. Somber weapons can't be buffed.
>>749613618I always go katana or rapier for melee weapons
>>749635749>rivers of chudlmaoWhat a retard trying to trade with a roar build.
>>749643761Bloodhound's Fang is one of the few buffable sombers. There aren't very many, Varre's Bouquet is also one of them.
>>749643683There is one reason.Minimal steps to get MLGS:1. Reach Altus plateau through preferred method and rest at any grace.1. Kill Radahn.2. Talk to Ranni.3. Go through all of upper Nokron and get the fingerslayer blade, then give it to Ranni.4. Go through Nokstella and kill Shadow Blaid.5. Beat all of Raya Lucaria so that you can open the chest in Rennala's library.6. Go through the lake of rot and kill Astel, marry Ranni on the moonlight altarAlso if you do it this as fast as possible, you're skipping all of Seluvis's shit, locking you out of a number of items, the most important of which for a hypothetical MLGS user being the magic scorpion ring Steps to get moonveil:Step 1: Go to Caelid and kill the boss of literally the first dungeon you encounter
>>749622439Nigger straight swords have one of the better movesets in the game (including just being straight up better than katana when power stanced) and square off is unironically arguably the best infusable weapon art in the game.The only thing that kind of sucks about straight swords in ER is that you don't really get any great somber straight swords outside of maybe Ornamental and the highly stat committal and basically just a glorified wand SoNaF (Coded Sword is good, but it's good because it's an easy faith caster sidearm, you probably aren't basing your build around it).>>749623982>katanas do betterstraight sword r1 string is faster, on average the length on ss is longer than katana (outside of washing pole which is admittedly pretty dumb), and katana are stuck dealing slashing damage (easily the worst physical damage type in the game) while ss gets standard (which is literally never a bad thing).If you really want to bitch about something bitch about how blatantly overpowered the naginata is compared to every other standard spear.
>>749644127>scorpion ringTell me you're bad at build theory crafting without saying you're bad at build theory crafting>b-but it's BiS if you're doing a no hit challenge!!!!!
>>749644238Scorpion rings are a very questionable choice for PVP but an easy pick for PVE.
>>749644180Nagi is only good on ARC builds, and even there the bloodfiend fork is better.
>>749644384The +10% physical damage taken isn't worth it in a game where damage is so overtuned to begin with. You get enough damage increase on MLGS from WJS and Godfrey Icon anyway, it's better to dedicate your remaining two slots to things that will help you survive longer.
>>749643460You don't need to trade with regular enemies because they get stunned by the skill, it straight up demolishes them.
>>749644891Just wear armor faggot
*throws up rot on you**bites you for the rest of your HP*
>>749644891Use a shield as it'll fully negate damage even with the resistance debuffs from the talismans
>>749646796>just do a completely different build faggotYeah man everybody wants to run around in the same fuckugly bullgoat/veteran set so they can take 1 extra hit's worth of damage
>>749613618Katanas are gay actually and if you use one you might..... be a bit of a fruit.....
>>749613618I have never seen anyone say that ever
>>749613819>A GAME ABOUT CHALLENGEIsn't this just a normal ARPG?
>>749613618It’s the one thing the casuals get 100% right.
fromsoft makes good katanas, the odachis have a good moveset toobut they aren't even trying for european sword movesets. The greatsword and curved sword movesets are mostly bad still, and they never do cool curved swords right, like messers or twohanded falchions
>>749647449Medium armor and 40-50 vig is enough to be comfortable even in Haligtree and the DLC even with a scorpion charm.
>>749650576They need to make Sabres its own weapon class instead of lumping them in with the fruity curved swords.
>>749650576If you look at the older Souls games you can see pretty clearly that they were at least trying with the Japanese swords and the rapiers, specifically working from kendo/kenjutsu and modern fencing. The rest they clearly had no idea what to work from. Which is a shame because other Japanese companies have gone out of their way to do research, the Junketsu no Maria team actually looked into recreating historical weapons and how they would be used when making the anime.
>>749650842they tried in Dark Souls 2 to give more realistic weapon animations and overall people clowned on them (didn't help the game was such a mixed bag otherwise in almost every element too)
>>749650576>>749650842Also I'm all but certain that the "curved sword" moveset is based on modern Chinese dao techniques that are more performance art than sport, the silly flips are the biggest tell.
>>749650909It's funny to me that the Mirrah Greatsword moveset is still probably the best they've done for longsword moves and it still isn't that great.
>>749613618oh make no mistake, i refuse to touch it because it's an INT weapon
>>749650576>>749650842The reason that the moves look right for katanas is because everyone knows at least basically what it's supposed to look like without research. Less than 0.1% of people have any clue what authentic claymore martial arts would look like or how it would meaningfully differ from how the game handles it. Plus, actually effective martial arts often looks kinda lame, and wouldn't even necessarily be the best choice when dealing with the fantastical combat scenarios the game presents.
>>749651004yes the ds2 alt greatsword moveset is goodds2 also has better stances, holding the sword on the shoulder, rather than pointing forwards
>>749651056>because everyone knows at least basically what it's supposed to look like without researchthat's just because they're japaneseobviously it's easier for them to make katana movesets, but it also wouldn't be particularly difficult to make better longsword movesets
>>749644891Funny because I’m playing the dlc for the second time and I switched to the scorpion charm for the first time AND dropped my heavy armor I’ve been using all fame for some variety simply because I found I was tanky enough at 50 vigor. Granted I’m not at PCR yet, but it’s definitely fine.
>>749651121>that's just because they're japaneseNo, it's because kantanas and faux-martial arts are all over pop culture media. Almost nobody does or ever has given a shit about how long swords were actually used, in part because it looks kinda gay compared to handing out haymakers.
>>749651209that's ridiculous, the average westerner, even the average western game developer could not make a good katana moveset without watching at least a few kendo videos first the difference is that traditional japanese martial arts persisted to modernity in the public consciousness, while traditional western martial arts did not. But it's no harder to make a moveset based on kendo than on traditional european swordfighting.
>>749650842You’re being a redditor, this is fantasy. Characters much stronger than a normal human irl, fighting against monsters most of the time. Using combat techniques designed by humans against other humans in either 1v1 or a battle context would be stupid as neither apply
>>749651332most of the enemies in souls games are humanoid
>>749651367Humanoids can be monsters. Way to be a pedantic redditor. Imagine being such a fruity faggot you complain fantasy isn’t HEMA slop, which for the record is largely unsubstantiated.
>>749651332Swinging a sword like it's made of depleted uranium does not make sense from any practical standpoint regardless of what you'd be fighting. The actual reason is for gameplay balance purposes.
>>749651445most of the enemies in souls game are undead humans with swords
>>749651367In basic shape I suppose, but most of them have at least a couple feet on the player character, with most major enemies and bosses being multiple times larger.
>>749651452>Swinging a sword like it's made of depleted uranium does not make sense from any practical standpoint regardless of what you'd be fighting.It does if the sword is actually as heavy as depleted uranium.
>>749651452Swinging a sword like a larper isn’t practical nor historical
>>749651486They also have these faces.
Katanas are cool and you're a faggoty hipster if you don't like it.
>>749613819you're overselling this swordin pvp? nothing good, parry bait, comes out fast but also very predictable, invadee weaponin pve? I'd rather take a magic flameberge with FotR
>>749651723I don't think you can infuse magic with FotR.
>>749651581There's also no practical purpose for a sword to be that heavy. The silly fantasy UGSs are one thing but this is a problem for basically all weapon classes in these games.>>749651602No one said anything about larp.
>>749613618>be low level>around the 40-50 range>bash head against the brick wall that is the godskin apostle in the tower of caelid for hours>obtain pic related>feel like an absolute champion>stomp through volcano manor>stomp through leyndall>starting to lose the fun>stomp through haligtree...>stomp through farum azula...>reach the DLC>put the game down after beluratGotta be my least favourite playthrough. sapped the challenge and fun out of the game like a light switch.At a certain point I was being more entertained by the movies I was watching (that I had already seen) on my second monitor. These games are nothing without the challenge.
>>749651486You sure >burg Sure >darkrootNo>depths No>sen’s No>blighttown Mostly humanoid in the upper section. Not with words, no to the swamp though>great hollow and ash lake No>demon ruins and lost izalith No>catacombs and tomb of the giants No>anor londoYes>dukes archives No >new londo Sort of? The darkwraiths have swords the ghosts do have daggers but that’s a stretch >valley of drakes No>oolacileNo
>>749613618i never listen to weak loser game boys and their gay nerd shit
>>749651868When you are invoking “practicality” you are invoking larping, martial European tradition is substantiated in unarmed disciplines (eg wrestling) and twentieth century and later combined arms, pretending hemashit is either historical or practical is larping. It’s basically fanfiction without basis in history
>>749651868>There's also no practical purpose for a sword to be that heavyYou need to kill a 9 foot tall guy wearing half inch thick armor, or a skeleton dragon the size of a tennis court
>>749651875sen's is full of snakemen with swords and shieldscatacombs is full of skeletons with swordsduke's archives is full of hollows it's the most common enemy archetype in the game
>>749651875I generally agree eith you, but you're wrong about Duke's archive, the catacombs, and Sen's fortress,
>>749651995Like I said, the silly fantasy weapons aren't the problem, it's an issue that affects all of them.>>749651993Your personal vendetta against hema because a larp nerd fucked your mum or whatever this is has nothing to do with the basic concept of not swinging weapons like a retard.
>>749652006>snakemen Aren’t human >skeletons with swords A reanimated skeleton without flesh or organs is completely different than a hollow, you know this >dukes archives is full of hollows The most common enemy is the snake experiment Hey dipshit kill yourself, skeletons aren’t zombies bro imagine being such a social loser you’re willing to be this disingenuous to try and bait interaction.
>>749652006snakemen are absolutely monsters
>>749651870Colossal swords are EZ mode.
>>749613618I don't get the appeal. Besides some extra range from Transient Moonlight, the Uchigatana does more damage generally from what I've seen as a magic user and it looks better too, going well with various armour sets. The Moonveil just looks ugly as fuck.
>>749652127You are projecting a vendetta against hema because you seem personally offended. I have nothing against hema, it is just not historic and not practical. It is larping. It is not actual martial tradition.
>>749652112The most common enemy in dukes is the horde of snake maiden things, then the crystal golems outside, even the hollows that are their aren’t normal they have the crystals as well
>>749652216No one mentioned hema or larp until you brought it up, people were talking about the effort involved in weapon animations. So yeah, it seems like a (You) problem to me.
>>749652298You did invoke larping when you invoked “practicality” in a fantasy setting.
>>749652216nta but what do you think has more relevance for looking at sword techniquesbecause wrestling isn't teaching those to anyone
>>749652267There are 500 billion crystal hollows in dukes and they're all just dudes with swords and bows. The weird octopus things are all in one part of one room. The crystal golems are more spread out, but there's still only like ten of them total, even counting crystal cave
>>749652421There’s not that many hollows in dukes and they have crystals. It’s the room with the channelers.
>>749652343You brought up "techniques used against humans" and acted like clunky retard swings made sense because fantasy makes it okay, me calling you out for being retarded and using the word "practical" has nothing to do with larp. Or the larper who fucked your mum, or whatever your problem is.
>>749652161>A reanimated skeleton without flesh or organs is completely different than a hollow, you know thisyou're splitting hairs herethe point is that most combat techniques still apply. It doesn't matter if the enemy has a snake head, you still use the sword the same way 99% of the time
>>749652421dukes doesn't have that many hollowstaking the area as a whole with the caverns you have a pretty large amount of monsters between clams, golems, picasas and channelers.
>>749652503>clunky retard swings According to who?
>>749652505it matters a whole lot because the practical technique for a snake monster man lunging his giant snake head at you is to cut up in a manner you'd probably never animate for anything elsemonsters and "practical" animations run into this issue as a whole because the practical solution is going to be swinging your sword at a unique angle or stabbing it in a unique location contextually to the enemy you're fighting, there's not much else to it than that, everything's a matter of finding the most practical application of edge or point to vulnerable area.
>>749652505It actually does matter, a reanimated skeleton getting stabbed does not matter compared to a dog
>>749613618I have fond memories of using pic related in PvP and watching fuckers that either spammed this or RoB’s special attack shit themselves when they either only healed me or put a tiny dent in my health bar even with Bleed constantly triggering
>>749613618This is western neckbeard genocide pls delete
>>749652503Literally no one has an issue with the straight sword moveset, one of the most popular choices, in any of these games except larpers
>>749652716Most swords don't have enough stabs and are pretty bland slashes, there's a reason most people look for every alternative moveset straight sword rather than the stockfor me it's the silver knight straight sword until they finally made LGSes
>>749652553According to the retard who thought the counterargument to>Swinging a sword like it's made of depleted uraniumwas to bring up larp and shit his pants, apparently.>>749652716People were comparing the katana and rapier movesets to the greatsword and curved sword movesets and why the first two are less dumb than the latter.
>>749613618Me and SnS uppercut parry in MH Rise
>>749652716Lol they are terrible and btfo by the starter weapon
>>749613618Most fun I had with Elden Ring was a katana playthrough. Jumping 2 hand attacks is kino
>>749652843Please point out where anyone other than you called them “clunky retard swings”. You’re deeply confused because you are upset.
It pisses me off how few good basic bitch sets there are in ER, the default K***ht set is probably the worst looking one in a Souls game, the Vagabond one is all banged up, the chainmail/tabard sets from the footsoldiers are cool but they're all reskins of each other, then there's the samurai set and that's about it
>>749652592>>749652636you're retardedthe whole point is that the average enemy is mostly human, so it makes sense for the developer to make movesets based on how humans use swords on each other in real lifeobviously this isn't realistic for many enemies in the game that are giant, or very inhuman like slimes. The developer can't and doesn't make different movesets for fighting different enemies. If fromsoft was designing specific animations for cutting off snakemen heads you might have a point. most of the enemies are generally human, so they should design movesets that make sense when fighting humans. They already do this with katanas. The greatsword movesets are not designed to look like something for fighting monsters, they're just generic movesets that look like they were designed by someone who doesn't know how to use a greatsword, or how much one weights.
>>749651862i actually don't remember if you can off the top of my head, either way, pebble, giant hunter and spinning slash are also very good and i can get ranged attacks off my spells
>>749653038>calls someone retarded >is stuck in a loop of ridiculous mental gymnastics, pedantry and semantics You are fucking stupid and consume too much pop history
>>749653038bro just being humanoid doesn't truncate things downhumanoids half your size vs humanoids twice your size ask for completely different tacticssouls has plenty of normal human-y enemies general tactics would work on but it's stupidly reductionist to pretend most games don't have a huge amount of monstrous enemies and enemies that would benefit from bespoke tactics due to how bizarre they are
>>749653038>the whole point is they are mostly human What does that even mean? Sounds like total horseshit especially if you’re trying to equate everything from 8 foot snake men to mindless zombies to skeletons to the same zombies but inlined with literal magic crystal under one category because it fits your flimsy and shit “logic”
How would you rank each category's respective fanbase?
>>749653007I'm not sure what your point is, the other guy who replied to me acknowledged it as such proposing that the sword could be that heavy. The problem is people were talking about improving the attack animations and that one faggot came in swinging about larp when that's not even the point. Fromsoft could've used any number of things to make the animations less shit. They could've used classic cinema or TV shows, but my point was that they won't do that because the weapons need to be animated the way they are for game balance reasons.https://youtu.be/I0npjsC59ZM?t=1859
>>749613618For me it's the Beserker Blade
>>749624313Same with modern cars. Souless designs for an equally soulless time.
>>749653312Best would be Great Axes Worst would be Katanas
>>749653018And then nothing except the Leather set (Patches' set) looks good on females.
>>749624313Manual operation, based on you liking modern shotguns as an exception. It makes sense, older firearms back when no one really knew what they were doing had a certain charm to them.
>>749650576The Light Greatswords have a wonderful moveset.>MesserCool sword awful fanbase.
>>749652161>>749652505>>749652636You don't fucking stab or slice at a reanimated skeleton with a sword. You grab a mace and you shatter that bitch. Dragon's Dogma is the only game I've seen that did it right.
>Cool meteor sword>Neat stubby blade>S-tier ash of war>Interesting loreI just think it's neat. I'm keeping the second one from Yelough Anix Tunnel at +0 so I can use it in NG+ (I plan to nerf my stats at Rennala before I end the game so I won't one-shot everything before Altus.)
>>749659308This thing is weird, the heavy hits do extra damage and take less stamina than with other swords. Anyway the only thing you need is a pickaxe. Fuck your fancy weapons.
>>749650576oi m8 u got a licence?
