>invents battle passes and lootboxes>kills physical video games Disgusting fat pig
>>749621242He invented battle passes not lootboxes
Digital only for PC was inevitable, Gabe was just the man who enacted it
>>749621242Don't forget about the Skyrim paid mod fiasco.
>>749621354>totalitarian surveillance state government is inevitable so just put on you shackles now
>>749621242he's also responsible for PC gaming, he started the trend by porting Doom to Windows 95
Snoys are still pushing this, huh?
>>749621242>physical video gamesNot a real thing.
>>749621467The one where Gaben backed out of it but Bethesda continues to push it, despite knowing well that gamers find it despicable?
>>749621748>gamers find it despicableyou live in an echo chamber"gamers" don't give a shit
>>749621748Ya, the one he initially defended believing money is a driving factor in all things, but I guess saw the huge backlash and shut it down.We still feel those effects either way, and now have to pirate mods of all things.
gape newhole is the god of trannies
>>749621242The only good guy left in the business. Your hate campaign will never work.
>>749622031don't forget to get the fat fold between the scrote and anus
>>749622105still not working
>>749622031Lol literally Epstein 2.0 but with international water's and marine interns
>>749621470you voted trump
>>749622191Still no proof Epstein did anything wrong.
>>749622171just like the thirdworlders who support gape
>>749621242I can't believe Gabe made all the KMMOs since the 2000s. To think I couldn't love this guy enough.
>>749622312besides liking yuri
>>749622312You know he went to jail before right?
>>749621665Physical goys don't even know they're not legally allowed to sell their disc's. Inside the instruction manual it says they are only allowed to play the game, not profit off it. It just wasn't enforceable.
>>749622292No
>>749622694he said she said
>tranny
>steam user
>>749622728digitalkike melty
>>749621242I don't get why people like him when he's just a greedy psychopath. He worked at Microsoft and Valve does nothing for gaming
>>749621354It's insane to think Nintendo is the only company left keeping physical alive.
>>749623848they are just two or three gens behind. just you wait, tendie. you all said the same when they took a bit to implement paid online, and it will happen again.
>>749623770He worked at Microsoft and left it because he was frustrated with them not taking PC gaming seriously. Without Valve the industry kikes wouldn't have anyone to stop them from killing off PC gaming and focusing on consoles during the 2000's.
Reminder that Steam is a free, optional download.
>>749623848ywnbaw
>>749623770>I don't get why people like himyou're a console cuck
I'm honestly convinced that for the large majority of steam users, thinking they got a good deal on some (probably buggy and last patched in 2012) abandonware because it was 80% is more fun that actually gaming. Have you ever seen steam cheevo percentages for the most basic shit that would take 10mins to get? Steam is a social media platform for kids who think gabe newell le savior of pc gaming xD and Valve knows it all too well.
>>749623770He knows how to market well, a lot of these billionaires had great PR teams like Bill Gates or Elon Musk
>>749621813Most people don't like paid mods but 40 year old gamerdads don't give a fuck and those are probably the only people that actually buy "creation credits"
>>749621242he's a hero, you're a jeet, simple as
>>749621354nope, it was publishers and brick & mortar stores that enacted it
>>749623953two more weeks, steamturdy
>>749621586even before then, he was part of windows development itself since the very first versiom
>>749624548>muh cheevosdie in a fire, you're the one who doesn't play vodeogames, nigger
>>749627330You are paying for P2P connections.
>muh physicalWhat good is it when your "physical game" is locked down like fort knox and you can't even modify the files in it?
>>749621242If GabeN kills video games, then it is time for me to grow up and leave them behind.
>>749621242I have that same exact poloheh
>>749621242Korean MMOs like MapleStory invented loot boxes
>>749628680I can modify my physical PC game disc files, now what retard
>>749623770>psychopathWhat?
>>749630950I can do that, and make multiple physical copies of my digital game. Without silly physical restrictions.
>>749621242didn't koreans or japanese invent those
>>749621242literally nothing wrong with thosethey are far better than the paid map backs of the pastbased gaben saved multiplayer games
>>749621813nah, steam users give a shitthe ones who dont give a shit are the normalniggers who use consolesgaming would be astronomically improved if consoles didnt exist
>>749631057paid map packs*
>>749631026Lootboxes yesBattle Passes are 100% a Valve invention with the Dota 2 Compendiums
Didn't Nintendo invent a device for betting on horse races? Incidentally, Nintendo was originally a playing card company; those cards were used to get around Japanese state regulations regarding card games.
>>749621354Physical PC gaming was crap, and DRM kept getting more and more dogshit; Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft, and EA were the ones who created and ultimately killed off physical PC gaming by unleashing the industry's worst DRM garbage because they couldn't control piracy. Meanwhile, Steam gradually introduced improvements that made digital PC gaming far superior to the trash those companies were offering.
>>749621242Don't forget bringing full price digital only games; praise lord Gaben according to Steamies. The only thing this guy got right was stating a truth about piracy and that's about it.>>749621586>PC gaming didn't exist until the 90sNot even a vegan would be that stupid. >>749622031>only good guy leftThat was Iwata and he's fucking dead. There are no good guys in the bussiness and Gaben never was one; nobody that has even been heavily related to Microsoft is in any shape a "good guy"
>>749631009Ok now delete your steam account and try that
>>749628680come to think of it, modding in physical media would eventually lead to paying for mods but with the risk of fucking up your copy
>>749622728>mixing up IP ownership with product ownership>>749623770>>749623994>Without Valve the industry kikes wouldn't have anyone to stop them from killing off PC gaming>Proceeds to kill PC gaming by killing its audience from physical option, flooding the platform with low quality shovelware, mobileshit ports, always on line services, early access scams, poorly done console ports and no strict method for quality standarKind of ironic tbqh
>>749632046Why? I can uninstall Steam and still back up my gameshttps://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steamhttps://github.com/inflation/goldberg_emulator
>Tim announces switch to full AI only coding>this thread pops upTimmy isnt sending his best
>>749623770I find all the ”praise Gaben” tier shit insufferable, but at the end of the day, I can still admit that he and Valve were the least evil candidate to become the biggest digital game vendor in the market. Just imagine if Microsoft or EA had been the ones to corner the market first.
>>749628680Only the cucks from videogames try to make an issue a cd player not working with their cassete tapes>>749632140Not at all; translations and restores like undubs have been a thing for longer.
>>749632195>Proceeds to kill PC gaming by killinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_for_Windows_–_Livehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_ConnectIt was actually thanks to Sony, EA, Ubisoft, and EA.
>>749631961>Physical PC gaming was crapNo it wasn't.>buy game>get game for the money>also a huge ass bible with game lore, map, character relation's tree and the ost sometimesNow compare that to click buy button and only get a license. Night and day levels downgrade, only "crap" thing were cd keys and the system for verification but that was just annoying due the practicallity of the times and bound to improve... it fucking didn't but hey there was room for improvement at least
>>749632312but i mean theres whole difference from change texts/audios to straight up replacing models and textures
>>749632468>No it wasn't.You're just an underage faggot who's never used a computer for anything other than coming here to act like a fucking retard
>>749624548It's more for older people who are smart enough not to buy into console ecosystems
>>749632468>>also a huge ass bible with game lore, map, character relation's tree and the ost sometimesDo physical games still come with this?
>>749632197>big list of not every game on steamHuh so you're telling me ONLY these games work without steam DRM
>>749632468>were cd keysCD keys fell out of use when companies started using their shitty DRM like "SecuROM."
>>749632256>I can still admit that he and Valve were the least evil candidate to become the biggest digital game vendor in the market.GoG is far better than Steam at that; they gave you a license at worst, freedom to control the exe you dl with it as it should.>>749632448>most DRM free games are literal shovelware tier>the only relevant games in there need fiddling like file fiing or using Linuxlol lmao. Don't dare to claim such thing until important releases are DRM from the start without anything but their dl needed. Only real bad thing was GfWL but that one was going to flop on its own>EA so cancer it's mentioned twiceThat's bullshit but I believe you 100%
Im not turning against Gabe no matter how many times you post these threads.
>buy physical PC game>needs activation key>activation key doesnt work>lost like 40$Ive had more money stolen from me with a physical purchase than gabe's liscenses.
>>749632312>Only the cucks from videogames try to make an issue a cd player not working with their cassete tapesI should have the freedom to burn my CDs onto cassette tapes and vice versa. That's not possible when people support physicuck DRM.
>>749632616Steam's DRM is less strict; it doesn't require online verification after the initial installation. Once it's installed on your PC, you can run it without an internet connection. You still need Steam, but you can easily stay offline the whole timebor, if you don't want to use Steam, there's Goldberg.
>>749632724GoG has the same digital license wording as steam fyi. They say they can also revoke it at any time.
>>749632559I used to turn off my computer with the ON button, unless you were raised by the command line alone, shut up. >>749632610Not anymore thanks to Steam and the whole digital is the future wave of the late 00s/early00. Some games do have but they are very rare and bound to the ultimate edition format
>>749632197>goldberg_emulatormiss me with that shit
>>749632828Technically true but if you already have the files or installers downloaded the fuck they gonna do about it
>>749632791>digitalcuck doesn't knowofc he doesn't know when he's pushing his goy agenda shitting on physical...>>749632828Yeah, but unlike others; you get some actual ownership within the digital only enviroment.
>>749632868No I mean do physical games still produced come with those things? Methinks devs just got lazy and stopped adding extra value to your games and you blame steam for it.
>>749632724GOG is better for the games that they get to sell, sure, but there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that big publishers would agree to put their games available DRM-free day one, which means that they never have/had a chance to become the biggest player in the market.
Imagine the shitshow of modern gaming without him LOLonly Timmys make threads like this
>>749632767>buy physical PC game>needs activation key>activation key doesnt workName one time that happened to you. I can't since always worked.
>>749632921How is steam going to remote uninstall my games too then?
>>749632828All GOG gives you is an installer; otherwise, the same conditions apply as with any platform distributing the game. Copying and pasting DRM-free games has the same effect as using the GOG installer, except that the installer allows for better management such as compressing the files or putting them on a CD. Even so, it has tools (I think even native Windows ones) for creating your own installers.
>>749632971>Methinks devs just got lazy and stopped adding extra value to your games and you blame steam for it.Well that happened when they got rid of manuals, so yeah you're right
>>749632868>unless you were raised by the command line alone, shut up.That just confirms you're a retard who doesn't use a PC, kys
>>749633030They won'tAs long as you have shit installed those files aren't going away no matter the service.
>>749632904Why?
>>749621354>>749632468The last dying days of physical on PC were much worse than physical on console. It's funny how quickly you forgot about Games For Windows Live and all the other crap we had to deal with.
>>749621470>so just put on you shackles nowhelllooooo saar
>>749632982>Imagine the shitshow of modern gaming without him LOL>physical in PC revitalizes when the audience goes back to it at the brink of its death>games come with manuals>Game sizes are within decent numbers and don't pass 40gb>storage format changed to carts/flash units ditching optical media after becoming redundant>games are released complete>Updates are minor in PC and consoles>Optimization is actually done>Actual graphics>Actual physics>Water looks great again>PC has a massive array of exclusive releases>Console has a massive array of exclusive releases>Both platforms are great>Multiplayer is more of a service than everI can imagine and it's pretty dope tbqh
>>749633214>forgotMost of these homos weren't alive or old enough to live through that
>>749632724SecureROM was always problematic, even when it wasn't supposed to require an Internet connection.
>>749633129I'm using one right now, retardo. Stop coping
>>749633282>retarded Timmy dreams
>>749633214>The last dying days of physical on PC were much worse than physical on console.Post Steam advent, yeah. Codes in a box were fucking retarded, always have been no matter the time or platform.
>>749632468Sick larp.>want to buy game>have to drag my ass to a game store>the selection boils down to old games, console shit and gun & ball garbage>have to go back home>have to carefully pull out the disc and insert it into the disc tray>have to insert the cd key during installation>installer injects a bunch of malware that will always assume I stole the game>have to keep the disc in the tray to play>have to swap discs to play another game>a bunch of clutter is taking up space and gathering dust when I'm not playing itI stopped giving a fuck about le physical once I could download any game I wanted from the internet.
>>749633343you're using it right now to post crap and act like a retard
>>749633282Copium overdose.
>>749633354Erase Steam and PS3 (Xbox 360 to some extent) and all the bad shit plaguing gaming goes away, all the cancer reduces to ok levels quickly
>>749633437>have to drag my ass to a game store>digitalgoy too lazy to go outside>somehow this is a negative to the argument outside himAre you British by any chance? You sound like you have never been exposed to the sun
>>749633354Said the guy saying imagine PC without Gabe, you have no logic just what if scenarios>bro pc would be worse without gabe just trust me bro
>>749633282Jesus fucking christ, larp harder.There wouldn't really be any "PC gaming" today without Steam. The industry wanted to favour consoles, move to digital and at best keep PC around as a MMO and Facebook gaming platform.
>>749633282Here's your (you)
>>749633447No, that's your coping projection
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>>749621242Every PC player was always nothing more than a consumer wage slave to him to fleece and skin you alive. He was never interested in entertaining you, only taking your money from you.
>>749633595>muh console scapegoatPC gaming today is a barren wasteland due Steam and don't blame consoles for pirates running the platform almost to the ground making consoles better for devs and studios, mid range and AAA alike>Facebook gaming platform.That doesn't exist, it's a spyware front
>>749633692Bro you'll hurt your steams main audience!
>>749633706Your picture starts with incorrect statements and is utterly worthless. You should delete it and try again at some other date.
>>749633596I reciprocate.
>>749633706>He was never interested in entertaining you, only taking your money from you.That's every company though
>>749633806No wonder PC is so shit; it's riddled with fucking Chinese. Are those numbers accurate?
>on-disc drm? limited activations? stupid boomers, this youtube video i watched never told me about any of that so you must be lyingWhat is the final solution to the zoomer question?
>>749633706You can activate keys bought outside of Steam you know? The key economy is massive. You can also play on PC without Steam, there's DRM free stores, there's Timmy giving you free games all the time. You can also just pirate games, you can even hijack Steam to play pirated games online on their infrastructure.PC gaming is unlike anything else.
>>749633790>PC gaming today is a barren wastelandNo, that was when the "PC is dead and consoles are da best babeee!!!" bullshit was at its strongest. Getting cucked out of games daily, being desperate for a half-decent console ports, not being able to access many game series and genres without owning a console, living in a situation when if you had no interest in shooters then that killed off like 70% of what PC had to offerAfter Steam took off we ended up living in a time where on PC you can have a huge library of genres and niches that previously were considered to be "never ever" for PC and we get hundreds of games weekly, tf are you talking about even
>>749633912That was during peak PUBG era, now they are just 33% of steam
>>749628438not right now
>>749621242always chasing every last penny
>>749634024Yes, but you fail to take into account that the poster you're talking to wasn't alive at the time so he doesn't know what you're talking about.
>>749633806this explains why you're unable to have a sincere conversation about steam/valve's shortcomings on here
>>749634024>No, that was when the "PC is dead and consoles are da best babeee!!!" bullshit was at its strongest.Wrong; the 90s were the best. Consoles and PC alike.>Getting cucked out of games dailyHere's the problem; You are a seething retard thinking you're entitled to everything. Bro, if you got fixated on consoles having games and chose to miss Doom it's a (You) problem, a big one
>>749634154I can think of a few reasons that for once aren't the fault of the Chinese
>>749634024>After Steam took off we ended up living in a time where on PC you can have a huge library of genres and niches that previously were considered to be "never ever" for PC and we get hundreds of games weekly, tf are you talking about evenAnd then proceeded to stay there in the library looking at it and arely playing any of those lmao
>>749633806>>749634064Oh hey, I recognize this piece of shit from last thread. Hey, remember when you said that Rimworld was removing mod and workshop support and that the new update would force everyone to use Windows 11? and then you never backed up any of your sources? Hi-larious
>>749623848Nintendo treats games like what they are: toys.
>>749621354>paid online was inevitable >delisting games was inevitable>graphic bloat was inevitable>layoffs was inevitable>MTX was inevitableMe when I'm defending a billion dollar corporation
>>749634143>>749632559It's the same guy, right? Only says the same thing with different wording>>749634281But you MUST hate them for that. They're only doing their thing, chilling and being right about it, but HATE THEM for understanding toys being toys!!!11!!
>>749623848>the only game developer of the four is the only one treating games properly>insane to think this
>>749634291If you're defending a billion dollar corporation... layoffs ARE inevitable to be fair
>>749634196shut the fuck up you retarded teenager you weren't even alive back then
>>749623848>>749623953This. After PC and paid online; the goalpost will be moved eventually so enjoy while it last and for the love of god; don't be a retard buying a key card thinking it's physicalOr maybe there's a resurgence for physical but don't get your hopes up; the videogame audience are the ultimate goy, pure cattle to fuck and bleed
>>749621354It wasn't fully inevitable, it just got cemented by Microsoft abandoning PC.
>>749634467Stop coping. I used Windows 93, you likely didn't in your endless attempt of coping with age
I always thought Fortnite invented battle passes. We literally call them "battle passes" and I assumed it came from them first, anyway.
>>749633595>There wouldn't really be any "PC gaming" today without SteamBut there isn't PC gaming today. There's PCs that can play ports of console games. PC gaming died in the early 2000s.
>>749622312t. Palm Beach Pete
>>749634537>After PC and paid online*Steam and paid online
>>749633282PC gaming was at the brink of death around 2003-2004 but I guess you weren't around to witness the absolute shitshow that it was.If anything without Mr. "Piracy is a service problem" we would have every game locked down with a SecuROM 2.0 way more invasive than Denuvo today.
>>749632468[Maximum Zoomer]
>>749634767>PC games were hard to pirate before steamYou weren't there junior.
I'm not turning against Gabe.
>>749634923You can't, you're in a cult. There is no way out by design.
>>749633806>China wins without even trying
>>749634590>I used Windows 93Holy LARP, Batman
>>749634884so the problem is that you want free shit? Is that all there is to it?I thought we we're talking about hypotethicals on possible futures.
>>749634291>>paid online was inevitableNo such thing on PC btw.
>>749621242Based and factual. Woke fat kike. Valve drones tongue my anus and homeless niggers.
>>749634991If they make a good product, then they have nothing to worry about.
>>749634991No my problem is that you claimed gabe solved the PC piracy "problem" you fucking moron. You weren't there.>gabe beat me theoretical demon that never existedSo did Jesus. So did Trump. So did Allah. You're in a cult.
>>749634767>PC gaming was at the brink of death around 2003-2004That was the death, you zoomer spouting retard. You do even know what happened those years?>If anything without Mr. "Piracy is a service problem" we would have every game locked down with a SecuROM 2.0 way more invasive than Denuvo today.Because you couldn't help yourself and pirate the platform to its death, and that was because it was extremely easy to pirate on PC. But for all your cope; you weren't there.>>749634991>so the problem is that you want free shit? Is that all there is to it?Basically PC gaming audience in a nuttshell, specially the zoomer kind.
Still not turning against Gabe btw
>>749634923>I'm not turning against Trump.
>>749634590>didn't start with DOSPoser.
>>749621242Good morning sir.
>>749621242The chinks invented lootboxes, I have no idea who invented battle passes but I assume that it's also one of the bug hives.
>>749634606How about League of Legends and Counter Strike 2? Those games ain't on consoles.
Realistically, though, given humanity's general inclination towards laziness, convenience and impatience, is there really any timeline in which digital purchases wouldn't be a thing?
>>749635238Not many are alive by now.
>>749635185Shalom.
>>749635293>Those games ain't on consoles.*services>>749635297Yes but not this one where masses are dumb as consumers
>>749621242and yet he's still the best choice out of all of them
>>749635297>is there really any timeline in which digital purchases wouldn't be a thing?The one in which Rosa Luxemburg doesn't get murdered by the succdem goons.
>>749635191>>749634948
>>749635297>is there really any timeline in which digital purchases wouldn't be a thing?Nope
>>749635423>polish>marxistshe would be so fucking obliterated if she lived in this era lmao
>>749635293>How about literal shameless cash grab GAASMy phone has plenty of those
Both of those predate Steam. >those early days of freemium games where you had to call a phone number to have your payment charged to your phone bill
>>749635524>those early days of freemium games where you had to call a phone number to have your payment charged to your phone billSOUL
>>749635519None of those games have good gameplay nor esports scenes.
>>749635663He's not talking about LoL tough
>>749635297Nope all I see is a timeline where PC cultists worship digital purchases and can't handle criticism towards digital purchases
>>749635494We live in the era of pure coonsumption, cannot be fixed anymore.
>>749634358And yet Nintendo still doesn't know how to properly implement backwards compatibility into their consoles. The most they can do is have switch 2 play switch 1 games. No compat with WiiU or 3DS or Wii or any console prior. And as sony showed us this week, it's intentional to make you rebuy your games, or constantly hold onto old, decaying hardware.
>>749635705He was talking about phone games.
>>749635663>games*services
>>749621242https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJUIzfmJvfs&t=25
>>749635726Digital dominates all consoles btw.
>>749635848GAAS means: Games as a Service.
>>749635820I never said they were perfect.
>>749635946I call them services and I have plenty of those on my phone and other consoles and other PC storefronts
>>749635185>That was the deathOh yeah nobody is playing on PC today.>You do even know what happened those years?I remember having to wrangle SecuROM and later GFWL to work, yes. Basically piracy was a given if you were palying on PC. Now at least you have the option to buy without having to worry if this shit will work some year later.Also controls were a bitch, and games were having tons of compatibility issues right out the box, while console versions were flawless.my point was that without steam nowadays PC gaming would still be looked as an afterthought with shit ports and issues.If you pirate nothing changed for you basically, don't know why you're so worked up about it.>Basically PC gaming audience in a nuttshell, specially the zoomer kind.I'm probably pirating more than you, Timmy.
>>749635898Yeah, anything can when you gaslit people and undermine the physical option conveniently
>>749636032>Oh yeah nobody is playing on PC today.Correct you're playing console games using a PC.
>>749636021You said: GAAS, games as a service.
>>749636094If physical came back to PC in full force, there would be no reason to support it, other than selling it. And if you never plan on selling it, then there goes that pitiful option.
>>749621242He gave the consumers what they wanted.
>>749636094Digital is more convenient by default, it was inevitable the moment internet speeds got fast enough. A plastic disc was never the best solution for transmitting data.
>>749636119Meaningless distinction to me. If your game is a service then it isn't a game. Feel free to believe otherwise.
>>749636032>Now at least you have the option to buy without having to worry if this shit will work some year later.No, I don't; physical for PC releases is nonexistent worldwide aside digital format. I, as consumer, have no options.>my point was that without steam nowadays PC gaming would still be looked as an afterthought with shit ports and issues.Still is, ports are still ridden with issues.>Oh yeah nobody is playing on PC today.>Economic success = health or quality
>>749635898I can't help you with that, non owner.
>>749636223>If your gameSo it's a game.
>>749636032>I'm probably pirating more than you, Timmy.You're right. Because I buy games, if not possible pirate is the only way
>>749636162Idolatry?
>>749636158I'm more concerned with ownership and property than selling away my ownership and property. Thanks for the reply though.
>>749636281Feel free to think that.
>>749636218>A plastic disc was never the best solution for transmitting data.That's why HDD and flash storage were the future. Nintendo got it right>>749636158Ownership that's why I don't plan to sell it, so that option is not even pitiful, it was never an option to begin with.
>>749636351You own an encrypted code in a chip encased in degradable plastic.
>>749636351>>749636429Good thing digital lets you own your games.
>>749632975Microsoft are the biggest challenge for DRM-free games. Even Square and Capcom are more open to DRM-free releases than Microsoft. At some point I think day one will happen for most single-player games based on the progress of things. It's weird that Microsoft are protecting a virtual platform they don't even own though.
>>749636417You are the one who said it's a game.
>>749636480>digital cuck agendaNo, it doesn't. Digital is inherently a service.
>>749636429The data on a HDD literally banishes after a while. Transporting it is also more expensive.
>>749636436>>749636480Two cents have been deposited into your Steam Wallet
>>749636501Meaningless semantics. It's a GAAS.
>>749621470retard
>>749636534Try telling that to my offline backed up games that can be played without internet or launchers, and which can be infinitely replicated.Funny, in a response to this TRVTH NVKE, someone in a previous thread said that Rimworld would stop working on older PCs and that workshop support was removed, but after a quick check, it was revealed to be a lie. Of course, lying is the consolegroid specialty, I shouldn't be surprised.
>>749636564t. Timmy Tencent
>>749621354This, I used to hate Gabe but then I realized he is a time traveler who used his foreknowledge to preemptively usher in technologies which were grievously abused in other timelines. Imagine if we lived in a reality where EA or Ubisoft had been first to market with their DRM storefront.
>>749636560Non issue when size is small now, hdd and flash storages have been perfected
>>749636670That has nothing to do with steam. Stay on topic please.
>>749636654>GAASGames As A Service
>>749636731These games are steam games, though. I have an entire cavalcade of games I got on steam, which no longer need steam.I have turned steam games into owned titles.
>>749636694Nope. Tim is guilty of the same anti consumer crimes as Gabe. Nice try, zealot.
>>749636670>Try telling that to my offline backed up games that can be played without internet or launchers, and which can be infinitely replicated.GoG sells them with no security DRM; as anon said >>749632828 That said your actual ownership of that digital good happens if you treat it like a physical product (one time use; if you lose it, it's gone) But that is more on the person since the majority doesn't accept digital in ownable forms but for convenience.>someone in a previous thread said that Rimworld would stop working on older PCs and that workshop support was removed Wouldn't be feasible; it's a service, they are bound to keep supporting it. GoG does this with old games being able to work in current OS
>>749636748Let's agree to disagree. >>749636772>These games are steam games, though.Hmmm no, no they're not.
>Console wars in 2026Absolutely pathetic
>>749636772>I have an entire cavalcade of games I got on steam*licenses>cavalcadeGood work but videogames aren't for jockeys unless you bought the horse armor
>>749637021Its so bleak that they have to pull in PC for their shit.
>>749637021>>749637120It's just a little bit of criticism. You can handle criticism, right?
>>749637120>implying it wasn't vegans that threw themselves into what was the sorry state of console wars in gen 7 with pc masterrace memesjesuschrist, zoomer pc users have zero accountability capacity. truly the older brother of the snoy
>>749637028>>749636936I disagree. My digital games are even better than physical, since they can never be taken away. Can't get lost, can't be invalidated because of new hardware. I don't even have to give them up if I wanna share them with friends. What is the downside?
>>749621242Go away Sony. We know its you doing this smear campaign.
>>749637259Do these benefits of the digital format change whether or not you paid for those games?
>>749637259>My digital games are even better than physical, since they can never be taken awayIt's the same data, you just don't own digital unless the license provider gives you a good deal in that direction.>Can't get lost Get HDD stolen>can't be invalidated because of new hardware. Game isn't connected to internet or update by the devs in years and it's brought into newer computer, OS and specs>I don't even have to give them up if I wanna share them with friends.I'm pretty sure you have to; you give away the license to your friend's account and leaves yours. But that imply you having friends in this day and age
>>749637496Yes. You get more benefits if you didn't pay for it.
>>749637568I thought so. Thanks for confirming.
>>749637719NTA btw
>>749637845>NTAYou are. You just fucked up, that's all. Don't bother trying to make your "real" reply. I'll know it's still just you.
>>749637936No, I'm not. I'm not even arguing with you. Just advocating for no digital cuckery If digital only = pirate only
>>749637496I mean, not really. If anything, paying is more of an optional thing, you do it out of charity if you like the game. As it should be. So they can't scam you by hiding the game from you before purchase. If they offered demos again, this wouldn't be an issue, but alas.>>749637497>It's the same data, you just don't own digitalI disagree.>get HDD stolenThen I pull out my other 5 HDDs with the same game, backed up to each of them.>Game isn't connected to internet or update by the devs in years and it's brought into newer computer, OS and specsWorst case scenario, I mod it to work (Deus ex) or I run it through a VM and OS emulation via wine.>I'm pretty sure you have to; you give away the license to your friend's account and leaves yours.Who says accounts have to be involved?
>>749636958>Let's agree to disagreeKill yourself.
>>749638110So if paying is optional then why would anyone pay to own nothing?
>>749638259The same reason people work their asses of at minimum wage jobs.They don't know better ways.
>>749638110There's that schizophrenic lying rant I was talking about. All over a little bit of criticism. Amazing.
>>749638110>Then I pull out my other 5 HDDs with the same game, backed up to each of them.Don't lie on the internet; younger generations don't have the habit of backing up their computer's and only younglings adopted and advocate for digital.>Worst case scenario, I mod it to work (Deus ex) or I run it through a VM and OS emulation via wine.Wouldn't say worse but most annoying. Happened to me with my Starcraft copy but I didn't do shit and went back to 98 for OS to play it>Who says accounts have to be involved?Digital is all about licenses. The consumer rejected them being treated as physical as their 1 payment = 1 use.
>>749638259They cucks, simply that>>749638110>It's the same data, you just don't own digital>I disagree.You'd choose to be wrong; fundamentally it's the same data for the software. The key is the format said data is delivered to the consumer.
>>749638259Out of charity, of course. They get my money because I have deemed them worthy. And in return I get ownership of their games. And you can whine and cry all you want about how technically it isn't ownership because of some vague law written 30 years ago, but if you want to convince me, you're gonna have to prove it. That means fully rescinding, and deleting, all of my games and the copies of them that I've made. If you cannot, then I guess I own them.>>749638434>Don't lie on the internet; younger generations don't have the habit of backing up their computer'sJunior, I have been backuping up my games since the turn of 2010, from my very first USB thumb drive that contained 4gb of SNES roms and a stale, crappy version of ZSNES (that I played with on a keyboard because I didn't know how to make controllers work). All the way to the modern day, with multiple terabyte drives that contain thousands of games I've collected over the years.>Happened to me with my Starcraft copy but I didn't do shit and went back to 98 for OS to play itThat's odd, because Starcraft doesn't give me an issue. And I actually own that game physically, and Brood war.>Digital is all about licensesAnd I rejected that. Sucks for those who are computer illiterate ITT, but alas you can't make a horse drink, even if you lead it to water.>>749638573>You'd choose to be wrong; fundamentally it's the same data for the software.Again, wrong. Once it's on my computer, it's mine. I own it. It's property. It is no longer a rental or a service. It is on you to argue otherwise. You'll have to find some way to take it away.
>>749638695>Again, wrong. Once it's on my computer, it's mine. I own it.No, you own the computer, its components. You control the data stored within.>It is no longer a rental or a service.It is. The thing you're missing is, in your case (assuming that's the only time you used it and never end up losing that data), the service was already served to you and you already exherted it by downloading the exe the first (and tentatively) only time.>You'll have to find some way to take it away.No, events simply happen without intentions. The common scapegoat digitalgoys use to try to make physical look in bad light is a fire breaking up in your house, stuff like that is the kind nobody is really free from.>Junior, I have been backuping up my games since the turn of 2010>2010Don't call people junior when you're a squirt. Since 2010?! hahahaha, that shit should have been since you first got a computer or at least the 90s
>>749638695>That's odd, because Starcraft doesn't give me an issue. And I actually own that game physically, and Brood war.Ok, now that's odd. Maybe it was a spec/OS thing.>And I rejected that. Sucks for those who are computer illiterate ITT, but alas you can't make a horse drink, even if you lead it to water.You can't reject the truth. You'd be trying to argue against Steam and GoG; and they're clear you're getting a license first and foremost
>>749638695Your definition of ownership is wrong.
>>749621354Digital libraries are the natural evolution of owning physical media and it should be that way with laws to protect ownership of said libraries. But game devs and publishers and corporations are so obnoxiously greedy that they will fight any perceived loss of value even if it hurts them and everything around them. This is why people actively collect physical media beyond autistic reasons, because there's, understandably, very low trust between producer and consumer if you really look at it.
>>749638951>No, you own the computer, its components. You control the data stored within.So I own the data.>the service was already served to you and you already exherted it by downloading the exe the first (and tentatively) only time.Now that I have the exe, they can't take it away.>The common scapegoat digitalgoys use to try to make physical look in bad light is a fire breaking up in your house, stuff like that is the kind nobody is really free from.But that's the funny part. Digital is immune to that due to the 3-2-1 rule. "3 backups, 2 in separate formats, 1 offsite". It is statistically impossible to lose my games when following proper backup protocol.>Don't call people junior when you're a squirt. Since 2010?! hahahaha, that shit should have been since you first got a computer or at least the 90I didn't get a computer until the early 2000s, and I didnt get high speed until late 2009. Before that I was sadly still a consolefag who didn't own his games because they were on flimsy pieces of plastic that often didn't work because consoles like the playstation were shoddily built chinese trash, and for some reason my nintendo consoles just refused to work unless I took the cartridge out and deep cleaned it with a cotton swab, and even then it was a tossup. Digital just werks.>>749639070>You can't reject the truth. You'd be trying to argue against Steam and GoG; and they're clear you're getting a license first and foremostSteam and gog are really only there to act as repositories to download my games from, if I don't care to go to a pirate website and want to pay for them. After the transaction is complete, and the game is on my computer, they cease to have any control.
>>749639320We're talking about ownership. Not preservation.
>>749639135>Digital libraries are the natural evolution of owning physical media and it should be that way with laws to protect ownership of said libraries.That's impossible since they're inherently different and should be that way, otherwise you'd be trying to twist a dynamic that simply works different. That and also the consumer chose digital as a service, Gaben was right; it's an access issue. That's why physical are products to buy and digital is a service to access and licenses came to be and were sustained as such since at least 40 years by now IIRCSome goverments may want to change this because the Sony hissy fit but they're so minimal they won't change anything when the money from and consumer are not on their side. When it comes to digital people simply don't want to own what they pay for, I mean they surely will seethe when reminded the kind of frying pan they threw themselves in their stupidity, but they rather practicality over it in every other instance
>>749639545>>749639504Still waiting to see how my games can be taken away, since it's not ownership. It would help if you could demonstrate a scenario where someone can surgically remove my games from my HDDs without my knowing.
>>749639748>Still waiting to see how my games can be taken awayFor what purpose? Why are you waiting for a reaponse to this query and how does that reaponse relate to the discussion of game ownership?
>>749639320>So I own the data.No, you control the data. Own and control are 2 different things. Your Starcraft copy allows you to own the data but not control it.>Now that I have the exe, they can't take it away.You will never have that certainty, a fire, you lost it, got robbed, data somehow rot in there. Your only coping method is the control of the data to replicate it beyond the initial service. If you don't... the you'd be the service's bitch again for that one time>But that's the funny part. Digital is immune to that due to the 3-2-1 rule. "3 backups, 2 in separate formats, 1 offsite". It is statistically impossible to lose my games when following proper backup protocol.Except that is bold to assume people does that when they barely even do basic back ups.>3 back upsA fire in your house kills 2 and then the one in the cloud services goes down. Now what? You're bound to events, you are not inmune and never will. That's why we used to make back ups btw, not because it would be "impossible">I didn't get a computer until the early 2000s, and I didnt get high speed until late 2009. Before that I was sadly still a consolefag who didn't own his games because they were on flimsy pieces of plastic that often didn't work because consoles like the playstation were shoddily built chinese trash, and for some reason my nintendo consoles just refused to work unless I took the cartridge out and deep cleaned it with a cotton swab, and even then it was a tossup. Digital just werks.>digital zoomer copeI play a PS1 with a literal chunk of the disc missing and the thing worked. You're lying your ass down, fake pc user
>>749639320>Steam and gog are really only there to act as repositories to download my games fromWell, yeah... that's what a service basically is, Sherlock.
>>749639748>Still waiting to see how my games can be taken away, since it's not ownershipYou already know but keep denying it. You do that every thread.
Is that a 10y old game for 75% off? HALLELUJAH!!! ARE YOU READY FOR A MIRACLE? PRAISE GABEN!
>>749640071>75%I only pay 85% or new historic low.
>>749639905If it cannot be taken away, then it is owned. GAAS and rentals and services are at threat of being rescinded from the player. Products and owned titles cannot be rescinded.>>749639941>Your Starcraft copy allows you to own the data but not control it.Funny thing, the digital version of Starcraft is more versatile than the disk version. Since blizzard gave away the original and Brood War for free, I no longer need to fiddle with the disk or the stupid security code or installing it or any of that nonsense. And I can make copies of it. Kind of a fun way to show that digital is indeed superior.>You will never have that certainty, a fire, you lost it, got robbed, data somehow rot in there. Every single one is mitigated by the 3-2-1 rule, stated earlier. It is statistically impossible to lose 4-5 copies of a game you lost, all at the same time, so it's not even worth discussing.>Except that is bold to assume people does that when they barely even do basic back ups.I don't care about the normalfags. "I" do it, and that's what matters.>A fire in your house kills 2 and then the one in the cloud services goes down.Who the hell said anything about cloud services. "offsite" literally means in another physical location.>I play a PS1 with a literal chunk of the disc missing and the thing worked. You're lying your ass down, fake pc userWell, I had to deal with my games constantly stuttering and freezing because of a tiny scratch on the back. I still can't play my physical copy of Star Wars Rebel Assault 2 because of this.>>749640053>>749639987So they can't be taken away. Gotcha. Thanks for conceding.
>2 years old game is 10% off >"He saved the pc gaming"
>>749640270>If it cannot be taken away, then it is owned.False. Your definition of ownership is wrong because you're confusing ownership with preservation. Also, in your haste to grandstand your blind faith you seem to have forgotten that you're supposed to be defending Valve.Valve in no way facilitates your obsession with preserving data. Everything you have detailed is unofficial media consumption completely decoupled from Valve. Can you explain to me why you call preservation ownership. Also explain to me why you impulsively do this as a defense of Valve, when this is unrelated to Valve's business operations? >inb4 Valve makes it easyPiracy was easier before PC storefronts.
>>749640270>So they can't be taken away. Gotcha. Thanks for conceding.They can. Unless you manage to have control over the data the license allowed you to access and somehow managed to never ever need it to dl again, which one can be never be sure of.>Well, I had to deal with my games constantly stuttering and freezing because of a tiny scratch on the back. I still can't play my physical copy of Star Wars Rebel Assault 2 because of this.Might be a hardware issue. Because a light scratch on a ps1 is not going to kill it, I confirmed that myself with that one missing a piece of the disc.>Funny thing, the digital version of Starcraft is more versatile than the disk version. Since blizzard gave away the original and Brood War for free, I no longer need to fiddle with the disk or the stupid security code or installing it or any of that nonsense. And I can make copies of it. Kind of a fun way to show that digital is indeed superior.I have like 3 different bootlegs from the original copy. They're the same when it comes to be versatile, you have no idea how easy was to pirate games before digital.>I don't care about the normalfags. "I" do it, and that's what matters.You don't matter. When you argue it's because a majority, the majority of "I" doesn't exist; it's a cope.>Who the hell said anything about cloud services. "offsite" literally means in another physical location.Another place to be affected by unforeseen events. Cloud depends on physical locations to; there no such things as fully digital.
>>749640270>Every single one is mitigated by the 3-2-1 rule, stated earlier. It is statistically impossible to lose 4-5 copies of a game you lost, all at the same time, so it's not even worth discussing.>he actually claims thispfft, a tornado isn't statistically possible and in my country whe just had one last month lmao
>>749640601Yup. PC was the only platform where consumers could exercise their legal right to make backup digital copies. But since Valve took away ownership now all they get is the backup with no original owned media. You simply had to be there to know this and the person we are speaking to wasn't there.
>>749623848>left keeping physical alive.dont they have shitty sd cards?
>>749640783>Yup. PC was the only platform where consumers could exercise their legal right to make backup digital copies.Consoles too once discs arrived, CDs were vulnerable as fuck by default.
>>749640525>Also, in your haste to grandstand your blind faith you seem to have forgotten that you're supposed to be defending Valve.Must've missed the memo. As a PC user, I don't need to hold allegience to any company. I forgot that's a thing that consoles have to do, though. Haha.>>749640601>Unless you manage to have control over the data the license allowed you to access A good chunk of my games don't even need steamless or goldberg. The most effort I've had to exert was putting a notepad file in the install folder, and now boom. No steam required. You don't need it running, you don't even need it installed. I even tested this with an old laptop that didn't have steam on it. Transferred Stardew Valley, Environmental Station Alpha, and Hollow knight to it. All of them worked. >Might be a hardware issue. Because a light scratch on a ps1 is not going to kill itMaybe you got lucky. I had a similar problem with Mega Man Legends, where the game would constantly freeze during the assault on City Hall, and it would just perma-softlock while showing Bon Bonne hovering there. Playing the game digitally solved that problem.>I have like 3 different bootlegs from the original copy. They're the same when it comes to be versatile, you have no idea how easy was to pirate games before digital.I sure hope you didn't pay for those bootlegs. All this talk of chastising people for paying for digital, and yet I pray you don't pay for literal fake copies of a game.>When you argue it's because a majority,That's a normalfag mentality. If I want that, I'll go to twitter.>Another place to be affected by unforeseen events>>749640663>pfft, a tornado isn't statistically possible and in my country whe just had one last month lmaoWell, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I've gone through fires, earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. My games kept surviving. Maybe you guys are just unlucky.
>>749640840>Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.Nah, you're choosing to be wrong in your agenda to shill digital only.>As a PC user, I don't need to hold allegience to any company.>IBM, Nvidia, AMD, Valve, Kingston, whoever makes those rainbow colored keybaordsIt's more like vegan likes to throw stones and hide the hand the quickest out of all
>>749640840>A good chunk of my games don't even need steamless or goldberg. The most effort I've had to exert was putting a notepad file in the install folder, and now boom. No steam required. You don't need it running, you don't even need it installed. I even tested this with an old laptop that didn't have steam on it. Transferred Stardew Valley, Environmental Station Alpha, and Hollow knight to it. All of them worked.>needs to make extra movesCall me when they don't need that>I had a similar problem with Mega Man Legends, where the game would constantly freeze during the assault on City HallDefinetly a lens issue. Try Klonoa or FMV heavy games like Tekken 3 to confirm it.>I sure hope you didn't pay for those bootlegs. All this talk of chastising people for paying for digital, and yet I pray you don't pay for literal fake copies of a game.>paying for bootlegs>when bootlegs of games was ezc'mon now
>>749640840>As a PC user,You're a PC vegan. I'm a PC user. Nice try. You forgot to address these points btw. Are you conceding ground or will you speak up?False. Your definition of ownership is wrong because you're confusing ownership with preservation.Valve in no way facilitates your obsession with preserving data. Everything you have detailed is unofficial media consumption completely decoupled from Valve.Can you explain to me why you call preservation ownership. Also explain to me why you impulsively do this as a defense of Valve, when this is unrelated to Valve's business operations?>inb4 Valve makes it easyPiracy was easier before PC storefronts.
>>749640840>When you argue it's because a majority,>That's a normalfag mentality. If I want that, I'll go to twitter.you're trying too hard
>>749640950>IBM, Nvidia, AMD, Valve, Kingston, whoever makes those rainbow colored keybaordsNo allegience to any of them, actually. Try again.>>749641071>Call me when they don't need thatEnjoy, pal!https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_gamesAlternatively, you can buy from GOG. No problem there.>Definetly a lens issue. Try Klonoa or FMV heavy games like Tekken 3 to confirm it.I dunno. I tried playing these games on my backwards compatible Ps3 (before the thing died on me) and they had similar issues.>>749641092>False. Your definition of ownership is wrong because you're confusing ownership with preservation.If I can preserve it, then I own it. Not sure what difference you're seeing.
>>749641283>Not sure what difference you're seeing.That's fine. I'm not here to teach you anything. This is more so an exercize in seeing how far PC vegans will go to defend valid criticisms towards Valve. So far you have proven PC vegans are all liars.
>>749641283>https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games>shovelware>the few worthwhile games are old as fuck>several need special demands like Linuxwhat a load of nothing. Is Elden Ring DMR in Steam?
>>749641276If normalfags are too stupid to do something, that doesn't make it a non-option. It just means you need to have a functioning brain.
>>749641406>those games don't count because.....?????Concession accepted.
>>749641406>Is Elden Ring DMR in Steam?I dont think elden ring is sold drm free anywhere on pc.
>>749641485Stop coping; I didn't say they're were shit or memes like that. Nobody gives a rat ass about games developed by literalwho studios and most of other games were already very avaiable long before Steam
>>749641485>games nobody knows and plays count becauseOk, Cliffy; time to face that Lawbreakers fucking sucked and flopped
>>749641656>THESE GAMES BAD BECAUSE NOT POPULAR>WHERE IS CALL OF DUTY AND FIFA AND GTA?
>>749641810It ever occured to you they were not popular because they weren't any good? Nobody cares if they're DRM free or not, even fucking FIFA has more worth being DRM free than those games. So yeah, stop coping and bring an actual list of DRM free on Steam; games people actually covet
>muh drumI simply don't care about DRM. Sorry.
>>749641930>these games are bad because they're not popularMy apologies for your terminal case of normalfag syndrome. Have a get well soon card.
>>749642015>thread about digital and how drm obstaculizes ownership of digital games>but muh drm
>>749642098>unironically defends shovelware on pca severe case of veganism if there ever was one>>749642015good goy!
>>749632195>flooding the platform with low quality shovelwaregabe made all the bad games on steam?
If Deadlock was the exact same way as it is now but was made by any other company this board would be hatetraining it as woke nonsense
>/v/ and all adjacent boards falling for bait once againYou faga never learn and you're just giving the Sharty more ammo.
>>749642235>unironically defends shovelware on pcI'm sorry you feel that way.
>>749642367they areyou faggots are still yelling about a chess nigga
>>749642329allowed it.
>>749642479so ricemoot is responsible for what you saidand zucc is responsible for everything on facebookand elon is responsible for everything on twitternah you're retarded
>>749642447Don't. Feel sorry for yourself for enabling low quality software
>>749642527>Leaders aren't responsible for shit they allowedNow, THAT's retarded
>>749642714This "low quality software" is better made than AAA slop like Zelda and GTA and Call of Duty. Sucks for consoles.
>>749642757in theory that's a good idea, but is that the world we live in, I don't think so!
>>749621242Don't forget that he invented digital games. Games used to be on vinyl.
>>749642765>muh consolesTry to make an argument for the right reasons instead. No, shovelware is not better made than AAA slop, it's "poor man's" AAA slop. Don't delude yourself
>>749642757>leaders are responsible for every abuse of the systemI wish people would apply this thinking to the rest of their lives, it seems interesting this only comes up for valveandrew wilson, bobby kotick, peter molyneuxthey have done bigger or weirder things than gabe ever did
>>749642787Not theory; reality. Leaders are the ones at fault for wars; they are responsible for shit they enable. I mean, they're not in there by coincidence and are important position because you don't have responsability. Anon was retarded, fucker is like USA was not responsible for the 2 nukes... I guess to him they were Oopsie moments
>>749621242i wish i could suck his dick
>>749642841Then let's hear your reasoning. What makes, oh say, Zexion a worse metroid game than Metroid Dread?
>>749642934French revolution. We used to, to a fair extent we still do but currently the ones that are hellbent on using this in noticeable manners.... are woketards with their cancel culture.
>>749642980>Then let's hear your reasoningShovelware IS not a good thing nor remotely an argument in favour of anything. NO MATTER the platform. Heard me, faggot? No. Matter. The. Platform.>>749642980They're equal. They're both ok at best.
>>749643079>Shovelware IS not a good thing nor remotely an argument in favour of anything.Then simply ignore it.
>>749643191I do but some digital/steam shilling faggot is trying to making them important and trying to cope when told they're not important, let alone in a discussion about DRM free software in Steam to make it worth; nobody is going to say "hey this Arden Studio game is DRM so I'm making myself a Steam account and get it"
>>749643019hey so if the problem is woke lefties, why did you elect this guys' best friend? this seems like the problem to me
>>749642186Yup the thread includes repeated attempts to ge lt me to care about DRM and I still dont care. Sorry you failed to convince me.
>>749643314Some people like the games. Let people have fun.
>>749643509>passive-agressiveNo, your shitty argument won't pass. Don't try to play nice to get away with it
>>749643585Oh no, I just realize that we won't be able to disagree. Games you consider shovelware are games I relish greatly. What am I supposed to do, throw all of my favorite games in the trash to please you?
>>749643661>Games you consider shovelware are games I relish greatly.You may have shit taste. >What am I supposed to do, throw all of my favorite games in the trash to please you?Nigger, the list the faggot brought had Fallout 2 in there; that's a great game. Just cut out the fluff, there's not much left but a couple of good games there. I don't like fallout games btw
>>749643749>Just cut out the fluff, Such as?
>>749643839hey don't worry about it, just you know cut out the fluff, you know, the old fluff, there's tons of fluff, you gotta cut it out, it's in the way, that's classic.wait no, that's not right at all, it means nothing, no-one knows what the fuck he's talking about..
>>749643839Every game from a publisher and developer studio not well known.
>>749642454Where? All I see is glazing on this board
>>749621242Related Thread!!!>>749643332
>>749644424name the bully that hurt you
>>749644068cope harder, bro
next rug pull when?
>>749632468Every game in the physical era came with what is equivalent to deluxe early editions now.
>>749644424I see a dealock/valve = pozzed thread 2-3 times a day.
>>749644881Lel, that shit only hurt some saud or gulfoid niggers, nothing of real value was lost.
>>749621242>kills physical video gamesBruh you can pirate and burn them into DVD or place them in external drives, nobody is really stopping you >Blaming Gabe Newell for anything KYS
>>749645017Point me to em should be easy if they are that numerous>>749644752Is this a bot? Reply makes no sense.
>>749622728>disc's
>>749622312How about them files?
>>749644990At that was the status quo.>no manuals>mfwI have $100 on fake internet money should I pre order that GTA6 thing, I want the industry get the message they're doing a good job with killing physical and charging $100 for digital only games. Should I?
>>749645116>bootleg>physical gamesOfficially licensed, that's what people means when they mention physical games.
>>749621242BASEDnow all trip As will die as they chase thisTOTAL GABEN VICTORY
>>749639545Why would it be any different than any other instances where technological innovation has naturally pushed out physical mediums for more convenient methods? If tomorrow they made a wifi band that had zero latency, great scalability and security with no interference, most people would drop ethernet in no time. How is that incomparable (within the context of there being no anti-piracy or corporate meddling) to not wanting to dedicate space in your home to stacks of physical disks or cartridges that you have to manually swap in favor of just clicking a few menu buttons for all your games stored on a single chip?
This board worships a company that makes most of its money from gambling
>>749648887This. Pokemon and Yugioh should be outlawed because card packs might contain random cards. It's RNG lootbox bullshit.
>>749648887That same company also refuses to sell ownable media and instead sells nothing.
>>749649767Everyone already correctly acknowledges opening sealed packs of cards is gambling. We're still waiting on PC vegans to admit opening sealed lootboxes is gambling but thay will neve happen. Oh and the kicker, with gabe's sealed boxes, you own nothing. God I love his motto.
>>749649767Neither of those companies intentionally turn a blind eye where kids gamble their CSGO lootbox skins on a literal gambling website in hopes of a profit.If anything both of them are going as far as fucking over scalpers by increasing product volume.
>>749648887A company that's made one 7.5/10 and a bunch of garbage in the last 13 years.
>>749649924Not to mention their one game is DEI woke niggergook mutt girlboss in a game specifically designed to push more proprietary waggleslop hardware.
>>749648887me when i lie
>Epic shits itself>suddenly anti valve threadNoticing
>>749650112Because it's not most or because it's not gambling?
>>749649853>Everyone already correctly acknowledges opening sealed packs of cards is gambling. Why aren't pokemon cards outlawed, then?
>>749648887said company literally hires professionals to better learn how to make their goyim worship them
>>749650416>Epic says they're going full on ai and want to lay off workers to replace them>tons of anti-valve threads drown the catalogHmmmmmmmmm......
>>749650416>Epic sells physical media I'm sorry but your boogyman isn't epic, it's legitimate criticisms against a brand you worship, PC vegan.
>>749650437Because when you buy and open packs you actually own the contents. Gabe hasn't quite figured out ownership yet.
>>749650416>Steam's userbase exponentially increases every year>Naturally, this results in more people sharing their experiences and grievances with the platform >NOPE NOPERS EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY STOP QUESTIONING MY CULTLIKE RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS BRAND
>>749650507>selling gambling to children is okay as long as they have something physical, even if it's 3 cents of worthless plastic
>>749650416>Valve committed crime>Valve cults defensiveThey are the bad guys.
>>749650569They can just legally buy singles 2nd hand since that's an option. Like I said, Gabe really can't figure out ownership.
>>749650592I'm noticing.
>>749650685You're still allowing gambling. Ownership has nothing to do with it. It's still immoral, according to you.
the devout tendies and dieseltards on here would commit seppuku if their idol went under
>>749650735>You're still allowing gambling.It's not gambling. You can literally buy pre-built deck sets or any individual card second hand. If you chose to open packs it's still not gambling because you own property and can't lose regardless. Sorry you lost this argument to me.
>>749650956>It's not gambling. You can literally buy pre-built deck sets or any individual card second hand.And you can buy anything you want off of steam's marketplace, and you don't need to rely on crates or lootboxes. Sorry you lost this argument to me. ;)
>>749650416>>Epic shits itselfWhat they are doing now?
>>749651082>you don't need ownership when you can participate in an illegal profiteering racket to exchange money for unownable NFTsLike I said he can't figure out ownership.
>>749651253>it's okay to commit illegal profiteering rackets as long as you can hold something in your hand
>>749651364Pokemon, Yugio, Sports cards etc factually aren't profiteering rackets. Sorry champ.
>>749651364card packs are not illegal nigga, also basically all TCG companies provide you with the option of buying structure decks with a set deck of cards, including both ygo and pokemon>so what you're saying is physical product good, literal NFT bad!?!yesyou're literally defending the fatso yachtfag for killing physical PC media ownership by the way
>>749651465>>749651453>opening sealed packs is okayhmmm>>749649853>Everyone already correctly acknowledges opening sealed packs of cards is gamblinghmmmmmmmm
>>749651453They're legally required to never print certain cards again because that would crash the collectible card market. Lol
>>749633706nice try but why lie? >https://www.psu.com/news/the-evolution-of-loot-boxes-crates-and-ut-cards/https://www.pcgamer.com/the-evolution-of-loot-boxes/refunds>picrelyou must be a tender why did he have to cuck himself voluntarily when nobody else had to? what type of fucking homosexual troonery is this. sony to this day doesn't offer refunds
>>749651567>>opening sealed packs is okayStructure decks exist.Stop desperately trying to derail from the fact valve is RENTING you literal nothing to gamble with.
>>749650431because it's a lie
>>749651567>opening sealed packs is okayYup.
>>749651614>>749651715So if they gave you something physical, you'd be perfectly okay with children gambling. Very interesting indeed.
>>749651578>They're legally required to never print certain cards again because that would crash the collectible card market.Which youtuber told you this?
>>749651591>digital also sucks on this platformYes.
>>749651753>So if they gave you something physical,Redditor loaded question aside, the problem literally lies in the fact valve killed PC physical ownership in the first place and would never actually give you a physical option ever again.Valve is more than welcome to try make a TCG tho, even if we both know they will barely try, see it flops, then they will shitcan it after a year like everything they do.
>>749651662>pay money for game>get nothing in returnSounds like gambling to me
>>749651753I don't care honestly. Fact of the matter remains that Valve doesn't sell ownership.
>>749651809cute pivot but that wasn't the premise>more lieshow original
>>749651836>>749651902So you don't take issue with the gambling. why bring it up?
>>749651836>Valve is more than welcome to try make a TCG thoLike Artifact? They promptly killed that off and got sued.
PEP37-YF9B6-FC0NM
>>749651920I don't take issue with real actual TCGs and trading cards.
>>749651759Go look up the forbidden list. Next time you try to hide behind TCG do some basic ass research
>>749651920Stop desperately trying to derail from the fact valve is RENTING you literal nothing to gamble with.
>>749652065>>749652026So you're okay with children gambling. I see.
>>749652042i didnt think westoids were stupid enough to think the meta banlist was somehow literal gubmint law, but oh boy every day my expectations get much loweronce upon a time raigeki was banned and then it came off the banlist and got a lot of reprits btwits also hardly the only case, a lot of old cards constantly get unbanned and then reprinted due to the powercreep making them acceptable compared to modern power cards
>>749652042Just looked it up and confirmed what I already knew.
>>749652129>meta banlist was somehow literal gubmint law, but oh boy every day my expectations get much lower>meta banlist>he doesnt even know what the actual fobidden list even is Holy fucking kekarooo!
>>749652209So provide a source?
>>749652260>So provide a sourcefor somethign that is common knowledge to actual TCG fansKEKIt's okay, Im sure Claude will help you if you aks nicely.
>>749652316Well yeah that's exactly why you're wrong. Actual TCG fans like me already know what the forbidden list is and it's not >>749652042
>>749652426>Actual TCG fans like me already know what the forbidden list isAnd yet you didnt know crashing the collectible card market can get you sued, which is another thing actual TCG fans know. Except you, apparently. Fucking lmao
>>749651843you don't know what gambling is
>>749652118are you fucking retarded? since when do kids have bank accounts? since when do kids work and receive money for it?
>>749651969this isn't the JAV thread
>>749621242yes i watch that chadwbcat video too
>>749652626back in the good old days when america was great, children worked 80 hour weeks
>>749621242>kills physical video gamesOn PC? No, securom and "Insert Disc 2 to play" did that.
>>749652586No, I already knew what the forbidden list is and I don't even collect or play yugioh.
>>749652818>admits he doesnt play TCGsMy sides!
>>749652920Not yugioh. Which is what the forbidden list is from. You're confusing this for something else.https://www.yugioh-card.com/eu/play/forbidden-and-limited-list/
>>749651902>Valve doesn't sell ownershipso does no one else. the problem?
>>749653028>Not yugioh. Which is what the forbidden list is from.>still this cluelessI know I've proven my point and pulled a confession from you that you know nothing about theTCGs you dont play, but it's still too funny
>>749652757zoomers don't know anything about what physical pc games were like and how utterly shit they were
>>749653120I'm not conceding any ground. Sorry. Go troll somewhere else.
>>749653231>I'm not conceding any ground>and I dont even play or collectyour words lolI hope you learned a lesson about bringing up and hiding behind things you know nothing about. I had great fun teaching it
Watch your fucking tone you little bitch
>>749653453KEK just found what you were talking about. It's the Reserved List which is a different thing from the Forbidden List. Easy confusion to make if you never really explored this hobby.
>>749653668>he finally asked claude and got the answerGood for you!>Easy confusion to make if you never really explored this hobby.Now, now! A little late for the NO U!! accusations, dont you think?
>>749653742Yeah it took a while because you called it the wrong name and described it incorrectly. Thankfully I was able to prove you wrong in the end.
>>749652757>well they started it so it's ok i finish it!!
>>749653846>Thankfully I was able to prove you wrong in the end by proving you right Top fucking lmaoThere's a beauty to the way you cope, I'll give you that
>>749653998No coping on this end. Why are you being so performative right now?
>>749654040>Why are you being so performative right now?>t. admitted he doesnt play tcgs and had to look it up several times alreadyIm just farming laughs and (you)s at this point
>>749653906>>well they started it so it's ok i finish it!!Yes?Turn the other cheek is for cucks. Start shit, get hit. Simple as
>>749654143No I play TCGs and table top. I was confused because you were lying, that's all. Apparently you only play MTG and thought their company policy was a US law for all card publishers or something and then called it the by the name of a competitive ban list of a different TCG, and didn't do what you deacribed it did. You tried to flex knowlesge on one thing and fauled. But hey I did learn something so thanks!
FUCK SNOY
>does nothing>winsapologize and kneel, /v/
>>749654383This man looks like he chews television remotes.
>>749654325>You tried to flex knowlesge on one thing and fauled>t. admitted he doesnt play TCGs or know anything about themI also had great fun watching you fumble and seethe on your phone, trying desperately to damage control your ignorance of something literally all TCG fans know about. Truly beautiful cope.
>>749654543I don't think so. I think I've gotten one over on you so many times in the past that you're desperate for a win against me. That's all that is happening here. You're butthurt you lost again when you thought you had something. Thing is I don't have a fucking clue who you are.
>>749654719That's okay. You can think whatever helps you cope. It's still hilarious to watch
>>749654383>losing so bad he has to resort to forcing all his 80IQ jeet codemonkeys to use AI for everything
>>749654898Good to know.
>>749654952Yep. Thanks for the laughs!
>>749655020You as well.
>>749621586>porting Doom to Windows 95Was it necessary? W95 runs DOS program natively just fine.Doom95 is a glorified DirectX showcase because it's the first DirectX game.
>>749655369Like I said earlier, whatever helps you cope!
>>749654935to be fair claude may be able to do something more optimized than the current UE5slop engine
>>749655840Nothing to cope over really. I got to prove you were a liar and rub your face in it.
>>749621242>>kills physical video gamesAbsolutely a good thing. Only consolefags that worship corporate branded plastic think otherwise
>>749656104Your insistence on deluding yourself for your mental health and my amusement implies otherwise. Your confessions earlier itt prove it. But sure.
>>749656560The pleasure was all mine.
>>749623770>81% of the industry does nothing for gaming
