Basically if they learn to recomp everything to Linux and nothing from the original code is used I don't see a legal problem especially since you aren't selling the new software.Hell if you actually make some changes to the game like make the protagonist attractive and change some stupid feminist dialogue the entire thing becomes transformative art.
you need to pay for the subscription to do thatI'm not paying for that just to pirate, don't be retarded now
>>749656115Doesn’t it still use the code?
>>749656115You'll still need copyright to redistribute the graphical assets.
>>749656115>I don't see a legal problemThat’s because you’re a retard. Even as “clean room” software (with AI this is literally impossible because you don’t know what’s in the dataset but we’ll ignore that for the sake of argument), it is still illegal to clone software. I guarantee these adobe clones are going to get struck down when they go to court.
>>749656352Sure but the finished project won't have any of the original code and if you actually change the game significantly it's basically something new.I can paint another painting and if I cahge enough it's a new artwork
>>749656168I feel like this is the big elephant in the room everyone is missing.It all costs, and at current rates is still losing money.Everyone will need to start paying out the ass at some point in the future.
You guys were right about AIjeets
>>749656359Not if they are different.So basically the protagonist will be in everything and if that's different nothing will be the same
My guy, you're a retard. These still require the game files which you either dump yourself or pirate. I've dumped my own games but do you think the average nigger is going to? lmao
>>749656475Yep, AI isn’t bringing you new innovations. It’s just a new tool for stealing from the hard working people and general scamming.
>>749656437That's why I said change the game and some dialogue.At that point it's not a clone
>>749656537It’s just piracy with extra steps. You’re banking on meeting some minimal legal threshold of transformative while copying literally every other aspect of a game. You’re just a leech.
>>749656453Watch the law change quicksmart on this point
>>749656592Maybe but it's ok by legal definition.Look at cars they are basically the same with just some cosmetic differences.Everyone does it so why shouldn't we?Games have been taking from eachother for decades.Why are you so pro on helping companies that ruined everything?
>>749656614Who actually cares in reality?They won't be able to implement it since if you make a million versions there would have to be a million lawsuits because copyright is a case by case situation that needs to be judged individually.
>>749656863Again, watch the law change.It always follows economic realities and needs.
>>749656793You do understand where in a world where such a precedent would be set as legally acceptable, no one would make games anymore, right? Everything would just be a slopped up copy of a copy and no one would care about video games anymore.
>>749656529Oh I don't care about any of that shit, it's just that they're completely retarded
>>749656793>Why are you so pro on helping companies that ruined everything?I care about video games as a craft and this would be an end to all of that. It wouldn’t stop with the corporatization of video games and the woke sloppa, it would kill video games entirely. My question to you is why you would want that unless you’re just some leech looking for short term gains?
>>749656115Unlike slopcomps, when you pirate shit it might actually work.
>>749656914How ?If you give them the ability to sue any similar software the entire industry would sue eachother.Most software is very similar
>>749656115>I don't see a legal problemtrademarked words picture and sounds in the games. And no the whole "I have a copy of that iso to get them from the CD" isn't a legal argument at all, not sure where this nonsense comes from.
>>749656921Yes they would but they wouldn't be made by corporations just gamers using AI.Or everyone would just tell AI what games they want and pay a subscription for what it generated.
>>749657006Companies have sued over other companies cloning their software and won. Cloning in the sense of merely reimplementing all the functionality. I’d imagine AI slop would just broaden the definition.
>>749656985Indie games will keep going and gaming would be better then ever since anyone that would still make games would be people that are doing it out of passion not money.
>>749657004Are you assuming that a concept that appeared 4 months ago will forever be bad?
>>749657068Asking claude to make you a game defeats the point for people who actually give a shit about quality and the crafts. You will have a billion idea guys with shitty bad ideas and poorly implemented slop and 4 billion more scammers just looking to steal something and all the people who care or work hard will just keep to themselves and won’t release their games. You aren’t freeing yourself from AAA this way, you are actually just killing video games entirely.
>>749657068God, these faggots really do just want to mindlessly comsume hogshit
>>749657067And a filter to the entire thing like dlss5 and basically not a single pixel in the game will match the original
>>749657136people doing it out of passion aren’t going to want to see a sea of third worlders just copy and resell their game lmaoslop begets slop and everyone cares less
>>749657072It's not going to be a clone.Anyway the industry is over no matter what you think in a couple of years all their security systems will fail and everything will be available
>>749657136The indie devs doing it out of passion have been making games for the past 20+ years. The people that wanna shit things out with AI don't have passion, if they did they'd have learned how to do it before generative AI.
>>749657006Off the top of my head, something like the DMCA where you can allege infringement and put the onus on the other party to escalate to some kind formal review if they want to fight it.Maybe throw some AI analysis of similarities in there to help it along.
>>749657183You will make the game so if it's bad it's your fault.
>>749657280wow great, the future sure doesn’t sound bleakI am so happy AI is here to ruin everything for everyone and punish people who just want to make unique and interesting things
>>749657192Yes I want to play my own stupid ideas and I'm bored with big corpo slop
>>749657230Passion doesn't have a financial incentive.You basically do it for free but I know a capitalist can't understand the concept.Get use to it .
>>749657339No one who makes a game the hard way will share. The last people doing it out of passion and not using AI are simply not going to share their games. In which case, the games may as well not exist. All that will be left is “transformative” copies aka scams.
>>749657284Those people need to learn to use AI and start making bigger games
>>749657183Good. They're dead anyway. Let s put an end to this shitshow.
>>749656115Plagiarism in media is always a hot topic.
>>749657363You opened the box now deal with the consequences
>>749657364You know how no one has cared about a single thing AI has produced since its inception beyond the novelty of it? That is the future of video games you have resigned yourself to. A turd shit out by claude in an afternoon could be the best game you’ve ever played but you’re not gonna care about it. It’s just something to throw away. This is the future you want.
>>749657412No you will have to talk to AI and tell it what kind of game you want
>>749657363Where are these "unique and interesting things"? All i see is browns and whamen and jews jewing and the same fucking slop again and again. Let's kill it all.
>>749656460>>749656168the free models tend to only be 6-12 months behind, the cost will be electricity in the future
>>749657453>>749657479I didn’t ask for anything of this. You’re just cynical, defeatist losers who want this to happen because you hate everything. This isn’t an answer. Maybe you should just kill yourselves.
>>749656115Ai is the death of piracy since all future games will be cloud onlyNo binary for you to touch
>>749656168>>749656460The exact opposite will happen in the future.The computing power requirement to do this process at the same effort as right now will stay the same, which means it will eventually be possible to do it with local agents as consumer hardware is still expected to get better.The big question is if they will try to stop this from happening by sabotaging the consumer / prosumer hardware market so that they can sell you subscriptions.
>>749657514I would rather waste 5 years of my life then have an AI build me something in an afternoon. If I gave up my intelligence to a machine, would defeat the point entirely.
>>749657068"Gamers" have no orginal ideas
>>749657547Or maybe (you) should kys and take your woke shit with you.
>>749657547Yes you did
>>749656115AI has been around since like the 1920s, stop being a pussy
>>749657567Claude, convert the streaming data to binary and make the exe.
>>749657567Eh so you think you can't take from video?Because there already exists picture to 3d AI out there.Give it 5y and it will spit a game out from just a stream
>>749657602You already are this conversation will end up as data for some AI somewhere
>>749657657Not how it works>>749657661That is possibleI have had codex recreate a minigame from another game just by having it watch me playIts infinitely harder than doing it by binary though
>>749657661>Give it 5y and it will spit a game out from just a streama shitty game that no one plays, just like 'tards have been spitting out trash games for the least 10 years
>>749657532At some point things stop being free or quite so cheap.
>>749657612This is a fallacy. The well has been poisoned. I want clean drinking water. You want everyone to die from dehydration. You’re an evil person who thinks it’s good to increase suffering just because you’ve suffered at the hands of stupid/evil people. You hate life and beauty and art and all good things. I don’t want to see a good future be snuffed out. You suck.
>>749657657"I'm afraid I can't do that Dave"
>>749657602You wouldn t do shit. You would wait for the jewish developers to make Goyslop Adventure- the game and just shill it on this faggy board.>It has browns and whamen but is no woke!! It has based latina inside!!! Jews?! Go back to /pol/!!!You have no intelligence to give away. You are just so broken you can't live without jewish slop.
>>749657713tv and radio don't exist, yet a million people will listen to Joe Rogan talk about bow hunting for 3 hours
>>749657607Sure they do they just seam bad because they are actually original.People actually don't like original ideas or art just variations of something they already experienced.You should look up how they make you think a song is good it's just repetition and indoctrination.
>>749657742You don’t know the first thing about me. You are just projecting your own helplessness and retardation.
>>749657727Drink the poison then. Maybe one day the jews will give you clean water, goy. Keep waiting.
>>749657776>You don't know me!!!Once you've Seen a faggot, you've seen them all
>>749657727there was one good future...yet you reject it
>>749657581>as consumer hardware is still expected to get betterLaugh at this guy.
>>749657879Noooooo you are le evil
>>749656168This. They're building data centers not for AI but for cloud gaming. It will the the death of piracy, but not in the way OP thinks it is.
>>749657809I can make clean drinking water. I just can’t use the well any longer. That’s just the way it will have to be. You go die from dehydration, I’m going to regroup with the people who give a shit.
>>749657853You are suffering from learned helplessness and projecting again.
>>749657910Nope the death of everything will be they won't sell you the hardware at all.It will actually become illegal to own a powerful PC
>>749657923Ok where is it? How will you do it? By shitposting here?
>>749656115What a weird dog
>>749657742Sounds like hyper projection on your part. Someone that's only ever consoomed the latest slop that was shat out in front of him by AAA studios and never sought out anything beyond that.
>>749658049By working hard, finding other people who also care and insulting myself. I’m not gonna stop just because people can slop it up. These crafts are all too precious to be relinquished to a machine. Someone has to care if any digital arts or crafts are going to have any meaning or value in the future. If anything, this is just incentive for me to learn more and work harder and broaden my understanding.You’re free to become unthinking, uncaring cattle and letting your brain rot. I want no part.
>>749658169Yup he's a mutt
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>>749656115>if they learnLmao. Piracy is already a meme because people got too dumb and lazy to figure it out. It's much easier to pick up a F2P MMO or gacha.
>>749656115AI is the death of videogamesAll new GPUs will be bought 5 years prior of being made by AI companies in order to calculate a path of FPV drone to your location if you have incorrect thoughts about Israel and the only videogame you will be playing is AI generated roblox, streamed in real time to your terminal, for which you will pay 20$/week, with no more that 2 hours of gaming per day
>>749658403no one is gonna give a fuck, dude
>>749658325Cute alien
>>749657708>infinitelyinfinitely harder? is it really INFINITELY harder? that would make it impossible but you just said you did it.
>>749657401It does actually, insofar as it is profitable enough to keep doing the thing. If it isn’t profitable at all then people cannot afford to do it because they do not have the time.
>>749656453>>749656115The assets are still in original code.
>>749656460>>749656475>>749656529not buying your gay remakes
>>749659036Your program use them its legally still theft
AI will be the death of creativity and that's a very evil thing. Everything good about the human race must be permanently destroyed. We will literally murder the concepts of creativity, hope, freedom, love, and happiness.
>>749657581>which means it will eventually be possible to do it with local agentsIt will be outlawed, retard.
>>749660142It's not creativity that AI will be the death of.It's the death of meaning. You can make something, and then some other child can vibecode a copy of it and flood the internet with those cheap copies and then what's the fuckin point?
>>749660142>>749660425But if your "creativity" and "meaning" can be killed by a mere calculator doing some fucking linear algebra matrix multiplications, then you never had those in the first place. You lived under the illusion that those exist and make sense, but then math happened.
>>749656115Cute gort
>>749660425>>749660871Life has no meaning except suffering for Lord Moloch, the insane demon god who hates everything good.
>>749656352>>749656437>hey claude, looks at this program and made a generic tech spec>okay cool so it just needs to do X Y and Z>okay claude, make a FOSS program from this tech specYoure making a program thoroughly described in english and then implementingYou might as well call pseudocode a decompilation
>>749657183I dont give a fuck about the craftI want to be entertained. Retards ruined my indudtry and im taking it back and playing what I want, jewish moneylaundering be damned
>>749658268It's five dogs in one!
>>749660871It's not the calculator that kills it, it's the people using the calculator. You can solve the Millennium Prize Problems, but there's no goddamn point if you just shortcut to the destination. The meaning in solving them comes from the work required to demonstrate human ingenuity and contribute to the collective font of human knowledge and growth. I want highly curated experiences. I want dives into the depths of author and artist autism as I explore their worldviews and see the domains of their minds. I want to play on specially-designed playgrounds that test if I can understand what the creators were doing. I want to conquer the challenges they give me. And I DON'T want low-effort slop from idiots who don't understand the first thing about creating these things and just ask the genie-in-a-black-box to do it for them. That's not the contours of the soul, that's a cheap Chinese knockoff. Literally soulless, in the purest sense.
>>749661283That's irrelevant. If it's whole value is based on the assumption that someone else should not be using a tool, then it's worthless to begin with. If it had actual value and meaning then you wouldn't be scared of a "cheap Chinese knockoff" as it wouldn't hold any power over it to begin with.
>>749661669It's not irrelevant. The issue is that tools are made for specific purposes, while LLMs are not, and their purposes are constantly expanded to encompass more and more features and knowledge. If programming is using a scythe to cut down a wheat field, using AI is to destroy the field using an EF5 tornado. The field is still cut down, the end result is similar, but there was no value in the process to do it.
>>749656437Not until they lobby to change the current law. Which they will try to do.
>>749661669The assumption that LLMs are merely “another tool” is where this goes wrong
>>749656115Why do you expect the courts to side with some poorfag over the trillion dollar company? The laws are meant to protect them, not you. Just change the definition a little and you owe them money again
>>749660973Moloch is actually a really cool guy Eh poison retards brain and doesn’t afraid of anything
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>>749656115>I don't see a legal problemSurely "they" don't make new laws that protect "their" interests while making zero sense to the rest
>>749661283I don't really understand this argument. Feels like you are just clinging to old ideas of anthropocentrism. It doesn't destroy the field, it destroys the human involvement. And humans aren't some special perfect beings at the peak of evolution, who are entitled to everything. That's just not how this world works. Evolution never stops and entropy can only increase.>>749662039It's nothing special, it's literally just math, and a pretty old math too. We just accidentally found out that calculators we currently have are good enough to do stuff with it.
>>749661908Oh Jesus Christ, this shit again. Go do some actual coding before you judge others for using AI. You’ll quickly understand why it is that your performative virtue signaling doesn’t impress anyone who actually does this shit on a regular basis.
>>749662390>it destroys the human involvement. And humans aren't some special perfect beings at the peak of evolution, who are entitled to everythinguhh, yes they are? art generated by a machine cannot have value because the purpose of art it communication on a deep, personal level. even if an AI can trick you into perceiving something as made by a human, it is ultimately a trick, it isn’t art. in your own words it’s just a pointless math algorithm
>>749662413I DO actual programming. I learn the data structures, the algorithms, the logic. It takes a long time to produce something of quality, but the result is worth it. I can also shit out something comparable with ChatGPT and learn nothing along the way. When the end result is output, the means don't matter, and you enslave yourself to productivity. And then it becomes completely meaningless.
>>749662413I program for fun and the act of using an LLM defeats the point. I’m just spinning in place and rotting at that point. It is anti-intellectual.
